building-and-recc-chat

[rustic linden]

nvm than

lmaoo

[mossy venture]

Same with 7900xt

G300a has 390mm gpu clearance without fans

[rustic linden]

i want a case that has the 2 usb ports and other ports on the front like the corsair cases

[mossy venture]

So that'd be what, 375mm with the fans?

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

Like usb c?

Or headphone and mic jacks

[rustic linden]

i just want that kinda case

i want normal usb ports and 1 usb c

like 2 or 3 usb ports

[mossy venture]

Kk

[rustic linden]

something like a corsair case

[potent portal]

Make sure the motherboard has the header for USB C, or else buy an adapter

[mossy venture]

Cheapest halfway decent case I see with USB c is h5 flow

Aside from 903 max

But what about if the mobo has usb c?

Would that work for you?

[mossy venture]

$85 for the h5 flow btw

[rustic linden]

i dont need a usb-c just want a case similar to a corsair case

corsair casees too expensive

[mossy venture]

Oh I mean you can get a corsair case for $80

3000d airflow

[rustic linden]

https://www.newegg.com/black-corsair-3000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139192

this one?

[mossy venture]

Yeah, it's $80 elsewhere

For rgb you'd want the same c12c rgb 3 pack for $13

So would come to $93

If you like the look of this one, this isn't half bad https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fYdG3C/magniumgear-neo-air-2023-atx-mid-tower-case-mg-ne520a_dbk02

List would be https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CXHFsh

Though again, can get better psu

[rustic linden]

i like that magniumgear case

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DPs7RK

[rustic linden]

looks like the corsair one

[mossy venture]

Then xt x3d list would look like
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rHhXkJ

7600 and xtx would be https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZcYZJy

[rustic linden]

alr ty for the help today m8

[mossy venture]

Yeah np, any questions feel free to ping

[rustic linden]

k

[mossy venture]

Or just ask, there's plenty of other people here who'd be happy to help as well

[tired radish]

Your recommendations the other day was a big help, thanks btw

[mossy venture]

Am I crazy or is this not a terrible deal? 13900kf 4090 build for $2830 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/desktops/legion-desktops/legion-t-series-towers/legion-tower-7i-gen-8-(34l-intel)/90v7003bus?

Building yourself, if you actually need the multi core perf, is "only" $180 less https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MVcn6D

[real crown]

building rn and idk how to put my storage drive in

ik where it goes and, i just don’t know where to put it

[little osprey]

What kind of storage

[obsidian wigeon]

what's your parts list?

[real crown]

looks like a stick of gum

[little osprey]

So M.2 NVMe SSD?

[real crown]

look in dms

[little osprey]

So an M371

@real crown

See where the M.2 NVMe heatsink is?

[real crown]

yes

[little osprey]

Remove that, slide the SSD in at an angle then lightly screw it in

Then put the heatsink back on, make sure to remove the filament if there's adhesive

[real crown]

okay so idk how much room i have to do this bc my big fan is in the way

[little osprey]

It shouldn't take much

Just set the motherboard ontop of it's box

One second there should be a video for this

[real crown]

it’s screwed in already..

[little osprey]

The SSD?

[real crown]

the motherboard

[little osprey]

Yeah you're gonna have to take the heatsink off

OH

YOU MEAN IN THE CASE

[potent portal]

I think he means his CPU cooler is already in and blocking the m.2 slot

[real crown]

YES

[little osprey]

MB

[real crown]

nono it’s not i just have little room to work with and i’m not sure how to fit it in

[potent portal]

Ahh

[real crown]

i don’t know@how to lay the ssd in there

[little osprey]

Shouldn't need too much of an angle to slide in the SSD

[little osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qkn5uZUiJg&ab_channel=KleebzTech

[real crown]

okay thank you ben

brb*

okay so i put it in, i just gotta screw it

[hot kite]

So I have this build I’m about to pull the trigger on buying, my question is how much cheaper do you think it will be with Black Friday/cyber Monday being just next month, and should I just wait? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PcElite/saved/#view=MBMW99

[potent portal]

Chances are we'll see some good deals late November so it could be worth waiting

[mossy venture]

It's privated

[pseudo pollen]

if it's anything like prime day, the deals aren't going to be all that good

[hot kite]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PcElite/saved/#view=443Lyc basically same thing I just swapped the GPU to the 7800XT instead of 6800XT and made it for public viewing

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt recommend most of thst

I could make you a list to compare, if that's alright?

I'd just need to ask a few questions

[hot kite]

Sure

[mossy venture]

Total budget for tower and everything inside?
Do you care about looks, and if so what do you like?
What is the pc being used for?
Do you already have a monitor, and if so what resolution?

[hot kite]

Shoot me a dm if you want

[mossy venture]

Oh also do you need wifi

That about covers everything

[hot kite]

Total budget would be $2000 but if I can get it down to around $1500- $1600 that would be preferred.
I do care about looks I like the look and compatibility of what Corsair offers so that’s why I went with the AIO and Case. The setup is being used strictly for gaming and for VR (possibly streaming in the future. I have an Asus Predator monitor that is 1080p but I want 240H 1440 IPS. I hardwired my computers to the router so WiFi is not necessary but wouldn’t be opposed.

[earnest olive]

$250 cooler $500 gpu

🤨

[mossy venture]

Corsair overall is pretty bad value

[earnest olive]

cooler almost as expensive as cpu

[mossy venture]

In the budget, would you like a 1440p 240hz monitor included?

Or separate but recommendation included

[hot kite]

If possible

[mossy venture]

Alright then it will be closer to 2k, just a heads up

[earnest olive]

what games are you expecting to run at 1440p 240 fps

[mossy venture]

And color scheme preference?

Black and white with rgb?

[mossy venture]

This, though with the budget I'm putting an xtx in the list

[hot kite]

I play a wide variety of games so really anything.

[potent portal]

CS2 would be the popular answer to that rn

[mossy venture]

Which could very well push 1440p 200fps+ in a good few popular titles

[earnest olive]

cause a 4090 isn’t gonna hit that in every game lol

[hot kite]

Yeah that would be preferable

[earnest olive]

let alone this 7800xt

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rk9DZJ

[earnest olive]

just make sure 240hz is something you actually care about

[mossy venture]

With tiktok shop you could get a 32in 1440p 240hz IPS monitor for $260

Sold by newegg

If you're open to that

[mossy venture]

Btw aio is completely unneeded, can either use stock cooler or 214xt and be perfectly fine

Just added in for the aesthetic since I assumed you liked that

Can def bring cost down, though to do so I'd partially suggest "downgrading" monitor

[earnest olive]

can you tell between 144hz and 240hz enough that you need to buy 240hz

[mossy venture]

Lower cost would be smthn like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tDqZJy

Oh also for the aio, if you want the LCD display corsair has on their aios

Go for thermalright scenic v2

[earnest olive]

I play a competitive game at a high level and I cannot tell between 144 and 240

[mossy venture]

Not much more than the notte, white, no rgb, and has the display

[mossy venture]

Could also drop gpu to 7900xt

Or 4070 ti, 4070 ti is same price rn for some reason

[earnest olive]

oh there’s a cheap display aio now?

👀

[mossy venture]

I lied, $10 more

[earnest olive]

surely I need 2 displays inside my pc now

[mossy venture]

Yeah one sec lemme grab link

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C888TW/thermalright-frozen-magic-scenic-v2-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-magic-360-scenic-v2-d1-g2

$55 for the 240mm

[earnest olive]

why hello there

is the screen software controlled? or hdmi? or what

[mossy venture]

Thermalright has been absolutely dominating the cooler market

I'm not sure, felix might know if you wanna ask him

[real crown]

okay so i’m back again with a question about wiring

[lone flame]

2.2 stars

[real crown]

should i have the plugged into my motherboard? i have my cpu fans plugged in and my case fans are built in, this was optional with the back of my case and i’m wondering if i just need to take this off or if i can keep it on

[mossy venture]

Customer reviews don't really mean much

There's only 4 too

[little osprey]

Customer reviews really aren’t that helpful as some people will claim, they’re often based off personal opinion and really don’t hold any value as far as an informative source

[south cliff]

i got those fans hope they look ghood

good

[little osprey]

I got some Thermalright B12’s and they’re really testing my G300A’s limits with the mesh front and how much air they’re pulling through

Nothing this is with a radiator in from of them too

With my 360mm Liquid Freezer II my temps have only peaked at 70-75 degrees on a 13600K running benchmarks and what not

Gaming they lurk around 35-40 degrees

Granted when I was running my 240mm Frozen Notte the temps were only like 5-10 degrees higher and that AIO was half the price of a new 360mm Liquid Freezer II

I got mine B-stock for $70 so kinda offsets the comparison, but either way Thermalright is doing really well right now for what they’re offering around the price range

[south cliff]

I got the c12s

[little osprey]

Hard to beat their value, $12 for three fans

[south cliff]

yes i got 9 for 41.67

[little osprey]

And don’t use obsolete connectors either

[south cliff]

im just wondering how im going to connect all of them

[little osprey]

Daisy chain

It’s pretty straight forward

They follow a male to female connection if I’m not mistaken

Or something similar, I did it myself either way

[south cliff]

alright but how many can i put on a daisy chan before its to much i bought 9 in total

[plucky timber]

I'd connect the closest 3 to the closest motherboard header

[south cliff]

Bruh I swear this did not just happen

I restarted my pc now it won’t show a picture and is going to cpu and dram for the snug

Dbug light

[plucky timber]

What did you change?

[south cliff]

Nothing

I was just restating it because one of my rams rgb was kinda messed up

[mossy venture]

Reseat again

Make sure they're all the way in

[south cliff]

I’m finna reset CMOs

[lyric thistle]

Just reset the YMOs

https://tenor.com/view/ymo-yellow-magic-orchestra-haruomi-hosono-meme-computer-gif-26310919

[south cliff]

My computer is Geeking

It’s working tho

But now the rgb light on the case is on

I swear it only woke when it want to

[lyric thistle]

My computers are always woke

[south cliff]

I meant works auto correct sucks

[lyric thistle]

My computers always work too

[south cliff]

Mine dosent

[manic cloak]

@south cliff yo

your pc boots right, rgb turns into what you set, but no display?

[south cliff]

we good now i guess my bios stuff was broken i just reset cmos

[manic cloak]

Ah

I have that issue rn if

Cause sometimes if I don’t shut down and let it sleep

My pc can boot, my monitor won’t

[lone flame]

yeah uh

dont let that happen

i did and my screen just like

horribly glitched

like pink/black tearing on half of the screen after i woke it up

i always try to shut down now

or just let it run

[south cliff]

@mossy venture Are those fans just as good as the p12s? i just watched a video and they were not even close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c6Gve8D1v8&t=495s

[mossy venture]

Everyone I've seen use them (probably over a few dozen atp) have only has good things to say about them

From what I've seen, they've very similar in performance to p12s

[south cliff]

alright just wanting to know i will test them and if i dont like them i will prob return them which is very unlikely becasue i dont want to take them back out of the case when i put them in

[south cliff]

also how many 3 pins do i need for the rgb

[cyan ravine]

P12s but with a far far higher range basically

[south cliff]

wdym by range

im stupid

[cyan ravine]

P12's are great but their airflow range is very limited

Like

[south cliff]

so the airflow can reach farther

or smthing like that?

[cyan ravine]

Full speed they're only dumping a small amount of air through a rad but quietly and quite effective

Meanwhile

Other fans can go much higher in the level of airflow

As they ramp themselves up to high rpm

C12C is similar

[south cliff]

so do you think i should replace my nzxt fans with them

my radiator fans i should say

[cyan ravine]

Any nzxt fan is basically dogwater

Expensive and low airflow

You will notice a difference even with somewhat decent fans

And frankly decent/great starts at $4 per fan so it's a no brainer imo

[south cliff]

Alr thanks im going to stress test my cpu and gpu before the fans come to see if it makes a deference

diffrence*

[cyan ravine]

You may or may not notice

Depends on the circumstances

[vague oracle]

iPPC Noctuas>>>>>>

[cyan ravine]

WHAT?

[vague oracle]

[cyan ravine]

I CAN'T HEAR YOU DID YOU SAY SOMETHING?

[vague oracle]

I SAID IPPC NOCTUAS>>>>

[cyan ravine]

WHAT?

[potent portal]

I CAN'T HEAR HIM EITHER OVER MY DELTA FANS

[cyan ravine]

WHAT!?

OH GOD IT'S LOUDER NOW

[vague oracle]

OPEN YO DAMN EARS

[cyan ravine]

WHAT!?

[vague oracle]

DONT MAKE ME TAKE AWAY YOUR SUBWAY

[cyan ravine]

WHAT!?!

[vague oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-22839895

Yeah that’s what I thought

[cyan ravine]

STOP SHOOTING IT DOESN'T NEED TO GET, ANY LOUDER IN HERE

DO YOU HAVE A LICENSE FOR THAT?

[vague oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/work-endless-on-the-job-work-and-play-gif-4739064

[vague oracle]

WHOS GONNA CHECK?

[cyan ravine]

STOP JACKHAMMERING

[cyan ravine]

WHAT?

[vague oracle]

WHAT?

[cyan ravine]

WHAT

I SAID

STOP JACKHAMMERING

[vague oracle]

MAKE ME

[cyan ravine]

WHAT?

[vague oracle]

I SAID MAKE ME!

[cyan ravine]

WHAT?

[vague oracle]

Oooh so you’re a dead one

[cyan ravine]

WHAT?

[frigid night]

I need some help with this build. All parts in the list are already bought. Guy wants a 4070 (what's better? +I don't think he wants amd) and 2tb of storage. Will need a PSU added as well.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xjnfyg

[leaden mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/daftpunk-daft-punk-explosion-epilogue-gif-20482285

[obsidian wigeon]

if they insist nvidia, may i suggest you of used 3080?

or used 3080ti/3090

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zZX6DZ

This + asiahorse 16awg white custom cables

Or white black

Should come to about 650-ish

Maybe a cooler master masterfan argb & pwm hub (my good shorten ur names cm) for the fans if you need/want

Or p12's instead to fill the void if you're reusing them

Another like, 15$ or something on top

[round cloud]

Guys I’ve got a problem. My pc has no problems and now idk what to tinker with

[obsidian wigeon]

What kind of problem?

[cyan ravine]

he explained it

lol

[cyan ravine]

nice

glad it's working well mate

lemme give you a link mike

one sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqQiTcHpv2w&ab_channel=GGFEvents

watch this and get a little inspired

💀

[frigid night]

He's dead set on a brand new card. I ran it buy him, but he still wants the 4070

[cyan ravine]

ew

new card AND nvidia?

cheapest 4070 you can find then

[frigid night]

Yeah. Like mushy does.. I only try to convince once. Their money.

[cyan ravine]

cheapest

it really won't matter

at least 4070 one of the milder options as far as price

[round cloud]

💀

[cyan ravine]

honestly one of my favourite videos for just pc gushing

he made a new build recently

thermalright ceres? I believe the name of the case

absolutely gorgeous

[mossy venture]

How much is the case?

Looks like another o11 alternative

[vague oracle]

…damnit you’re making me want to do another build

[cyan ravine]

it's an air mini

the cheap one

oh wait, you mean the ceres?

hold up

the floor is like this matrix of LED's

they said "Screw you Asus, hold my beer"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jkQFhAAMzM&ab_channel=GGFEvents

[mossy venture]

Oh lol I thought you were saying this was the ceres and I thought "that looks a lot like an o11d" lol

No wonder

[cyan ravine]

[obsidian wigeon]

matcha green case

[earnest olive]

sir… I don’t think you want your custom looped pc to be gushing

[stoic island]

It's a feature not a bug

[lime star]

Hi, my10+yr old machine breathed it’s last and will starting a new build. The problem is technology has skyrocketed the last decade and I find myself in uncharted waters. I’m running Pro Tools and use 5 monitors to manage several windows. Three of the monitors are connected by DVI so I want to use my existing GPU’s, a GTX 580 and GTX 980. Will these cards work with todays mobo such as Z690/790? BTW, have always used intel boards & CPU’s.

[mossy venture]

Are you looking to a build a whole new pc?

[lyric thistle]

Yes they should

[mossy venture]

And just carry over gpus?

[lyric thistle]

A 580 is pushing it though

[mossy venture]

Though also, I'd just get yourself a cpu that has an igpu, and run two monitors off that

And then three monitors off the 980

[lime star]

What is an igpu?

[mossy venture]

Integrated gpu

Built into the cpu

[lime star]

You're talking about the 2 monitor ports on the mobo?

[mossy venture]

Yeah, though some come with more I believe

Depending on the cpu you buy, those could be used as display outputs

Like all of amds new gen lineup, or a non f sku from Intel

[earnest olive]

you should just ditch the old gpus, they'll cause driver issues, waste power, and take up space

[mossy venture]

Or a g sky from previous amd gens

[earnest olive]

it would be cheaper and make more sense to just use DVI adapters for your old monitors

[mossy venture]

Though also depending on what your monitors are, those might be due for a replacement too. Monitors have come a long way since 500 series was the current gen, if it's been that long since you've replaced

Well alright, to simplify this

What are you looking to spend

And what are you looking to keep from your current build

That's a good starting point

[lime star]

That brings up another concern, namely driver issues for the old GPU's. I assume adapters for Display to Dvi are readily available on a new GPU.

[mossy venture]

It's just a diff cable

Dvi to display port or hdmi, like $10

If not less

[lime star]

Budget is $2.5K

[lyric thistle]

Monoprice sells adapter cables for a decent price

[mossy venture]

Ok you should be building a whole new pc

Maybe carry over your storage as secondary drives

[lyric thistle]

Or using less budget

[mossy venture]

But aside from that you want to replace everything

I could make you a build list if you would like, I'd just have to ask some more questions

[lime star]

There is a significantly $ difference between i7 and i9 CPU's. Some Pro Tools files have 24 tracks. Is the i9 required?

[strong raft]

Just a few more Ecores, so no

[mossy venture]

Do you need an nvidia gpu?

Or do you even need a powerful gpu?

Or just strong multi core cpu perf

Not including gpu, can do a full 14700k build with 32gb ram and 2tb ssd for under $900

[lime star]

From what I have read here given compatibility issues a new GPU along with the igpu is the way to go.

[mossy venture]

Do you need a strong gpu though

Do your tasks benefit from a powerful gpu, or are they just cpu focused

[lime star]

Yes to the strong GPU.

[mossy venture]

Ok, and do you need nvidia?

[lime star]

I have used EVGA and Gigabyte. Not knowledgeable about nvida.

[mossy venture]

Evga and gigabyte are partners, they produce shrouds for nvidia gpus

Evga doesn't anymore though, they dropped nvidia after 30 series

Here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y4tZJy

$1866 and one of the best cpus for what you're doing, and the second best gpu that current exists

Though wait I meant to change the case

[mossy venture]

There's a lot of good cases, it just kinda depends on what you like. Do you want rgb, and what color case?

And do you care if there's a glass side panel, or would you rather there not be one

Alright I promise this is the last question, do you know if what you do is ram heavy? Would you benefit from 64gb ram?

Ok wait sorry one more, do you want more than 2tb storage

[lime star]

It sounds you are recommending nvidia as a recommended strong GPU.

[mossy venture]

Eh, nvidia is only needed for a few specific things, mainly blender

If you're not using blender, amd is a better choice

7900xtx beats the 4080 and is $150 cheaper

[lime star]

At least 64gb ram.

I'm not into color on the case. Only the front of the case is visible. Currently have a Cooler Master. Its big and just barely fits beside the Mac Pro in my studio.

[mossy venture]

Alright sounds good

And do you know how much storage you need?

[lime star]

I'm not familiar with blender so I assume it's not a game changer for me.

[mossy venture]

With $2500 atm, I have a list with 14700k and 7900xtx with 6tb ssd storage and 64gb ram, as well as a really nice monitor for you to replace one of yours if desired

$2440 total

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DRsDZJ

Also in case you're unfamiliar with it, pcpartpicker looks through a bunch of websites and finds the lowest price for each part

It's not a retailer itself

Though from what I can tell you're not using the pc for gaming, so there's cheaper options on monitor. Lemme find some

So that would be https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QvKvjH

[lime star]

Sorry, I was bumped off but I'm back now. Storage: 1T for OS and apps, 4T for data.

[mossy venture]

Well I included 6tb, so you got some extra

Could downgrade if you want but not much point

[lime star]

Which mobo? Looking at Z690 & Z790. I understand PCIe 5.0 is the desired option.

[mossy venture]

Pcie 5.0 serves no purpose right now

The z690 a pro is plenty for the 14700k, I linked a list above if you didn't see it

It's $140 and can run a 14900k

Just will need to update the bios, which is pretty easy

Just install something to a flash drive, rename it,put the flash drive in a specific USB slot on the motherboard and press a button

[lime star]

Does updating bios involve downloading from the internet? If so where?

[mossy venture]

Msis website

[lime star]

Ok Bacca you have given great recommendations. Now that you know what trying to do can you summarize a build list?

[mossy venture]

Like make a build list, or explain the one I made?

If you want me to just make one I linked two above, the pcpartpicker.com links

I gotta take a shower though so I'll be back in 20 min or so

[lime star]

I went to the pcpartpicker you linked. Is that a list you made?

[obsidian wigeon]

mhm, those are lists bacca made

[lime star]

Thanks

[mossy venture]

Do you know what monitors you have?

If they're as old as your pc, I would likely recommend replacing them. The difference in quality would shock you

Or replacing 1 or 2, as your main ones

[mossy venture]

Oh one last comment, from what it seems you're not really doing gpu heavy tasks. If you're not, you could do a much cheaper build with a new gpu that would provide you the same experience

[lime star]

I would agree concerning the GPU.

[mossy venture]

Then there's a few options

You could either go dirt cheap just for display outputs, used, or middle of the pack

[lime star]

The DVI monitors are (2) ViewSonic VX2250WM-LED and an Apple 21" Cinema Display (2005- Apple products last forever)

[mossy venture]

And you use 5 displays?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QddZJy

New list

Much cheaper gpu, will be supported for many years to come, and it has 4 display outs

Oh also

This is with two gpus, so total of 8 display outs from those, and with a cpu without an igpu. However, the cpus multi core performance is noticeably worse, as it has 6 less cores

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X8bbL9

[lime star]

I don't feel comfortable losing CPU performance. Using the 2 mobo monitor outs and a GPU on a PCI slot could be the answer.

[mossy venture]

Cool, then one sec

Oh wait I forgot to explain another thing

[mossy venture]

The 14700k is better, but its also really hot. It requires an aio, whereas the 14600k and 13600k are fine with a good air cooler

Air coolers have longer life spans, but if you're fine with that tradeoff then 14700k it is

[mossy venture]

This would be the list

And with 3 new monitors, $1700

Could save $100 on gpu by going for the a380

[lime star]

Is aio a liquid cooler?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[frigid night]

Messaged me back and said he'd be fine with a used 3080 12gb xD

[lime star]

My expertise does not include a custom DIY aio system as I've seen is pictures, maybe a closed loop setup. Still my case does not support aio of any kind. What kind of maintanence is required for aio.

It seems to me closed loop is the way to go for first time aio builders.

[frigid night]

AIO would be the way to go. There is virtually no maintenance as they are closed system so you can't service them. It fails you get a new one. There are a few outliers that you can service to an extent (swap out gaskets/swap fluid), but that's about the extent of serviceable.

[lime star]

Is it recommended to change the coolant in a closed loop system?

[frigid night]

No

[lime star]

Is it possoble or even recommended to retrofit an older case for a closed loop?

[frigid night]

yes/no.

What case do you have

[lime star]

Cooler Master that is 2010 vintage.

Or earlier

[frigid night]

Get a new case.

There are a couple good ones that'll support an AIO that are relatively cheap compared to other PC hardware.

[mossy venture]

There's a new case, and all aios are self sufficient and dont need anything else

Maintenence, none. However, their life spans are 3-5 years, as opposed to heatsinks typically lasting 10 and beyond

[lime star]

A 3-5 yr life span is a game changer. I certainly don't want to replace an aio every 3-5 yrs. Now the question is will the 14600K be enough. I do not want just adequate. Is that an i7?

How involveed is replacing a closed loop? What about expense?

[frigid night]

Enough for what? Gaming? Production? Every day general use?

[frigid night]

Closed loops are easy to install.

[mossy venture]

It will be plenty yes

[lime star]

Pro Tools with as many as 24 tracks.

[mossy venture]

Think of it this way

[lime star]

and special effects

[mossy venture]

You've been making do with a 10 year old rig and it's been getting the job done, right?

Any semi modern rig will blow that out of the water

[lime star]

Good point.

[frigid night]

I'd be more concerned about the amount of RAM you'll want in your system

[mossy venture]

What cpu do you have rn?

I'll pull up a comparison

[mossy venture]

64gb kit in the list I made for them

[frigid night]

Ah, I did not notice you made a list.

[mossy venture]

Yeah its a good bit up the chat, nw

[frigid night]

I founds it 😛

It looks like protools would benefit much more going to 128gb especially since he's gonna be utilizing it a lot.

[frigid night]

Is this a lot?

[lime star]

I'm not sure as I don't have the box or documentation anymore and the mobo is out of the case. However you have already made the point of my antiquated system ...lol

[frigid night]

Nothing wrong with your system being antiquated. No judgement here.

I don't know much about media creation, but what I can do is research. I'm just throwing out there that from what I see, protools wants 64gb as a baseline for workloads and multi-tasking with 128gb being the best for whatever you can throw at it.

I'd hate to see you figure out that you can do soo much more with your new system than your previous, only to be bottlenecked by something you could have gotten in the first place.

[lime star]

In this particular file 12 tracks were the original recording, the others were post production adding effects. That is quite a few tracks. And you are correct about memory. My friend has a new Mac Pro running Pro Tools Ultimate with 128gb.

I want to that you both Reo and Bacca for all the advice and time you have given me. Had I just started this project with what I knew from previous builds I'd be headed for a train wreck. Thanks Bacca for the pcpartspicker. What a big help that is.

[frigid night]

np, but the mvp here is definitely Bacca. ❤️

[lime star]

A special thanks to you Bacca. With the knowledge you have imparted to me I now feel confident to continue with this build. Thanks again.

[full atlas]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VfG9cH I might build something like this for fun using some spare parts and a couple other things I would need

[pseudo pollen]

lol I saw you post this in the techsource discord a couple hours ago

#790033653442150460 message

anyways, if you can, get the storage and ram off of tiktok shop, as you get 32gb of ram and 2tb ssd for the same price

[manic cloak]

He lives close by, I think of trying to put the display in another port to see if it works.

[pseudo pollen]

Maybe, or just rma it

[little osprey]

What speed ram for z790 and 13700K that will work by just turning on XMP and going without problems?

[mossy venture]

6000c32 is $83

Best option

Oloy kit 32gb

[little osprey]

had problems with oloy in past any others?

[mossy venture]

For rgb, 6000c30 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff3d532g6000hc30dc01
Non rgb 5600c32 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

[potent portal]

Fans are easy, but that card isn't a fan problem

[manic cloak]

@little osprey it powers up, fans spin but no post/boot

Worth looking into?

[mossy venture]

It could be something as simple a vbios flash, or it could be bricked

[manic cloak]

Hmm

[mossy venture]

Or a wide variety of things between that

[manic cloak]

So there’s a possibly if I just ddu my system to 3070gi graphics, plug it into my system, it could work?

Ik that too

[mossy venture]

It could be perfectly fine too and be something with his system

[manic cloak]

Especially the aorus model

[mossy venture]

Don't even have to ddu

[manic cloak]

Oh I don’t?

Just plug n boot?

[mossy venture]

I mean eventually yeah you should, but to check if it works nah

[potent portal]

You'd only need to get into bios to see if it's working somewhat

[mossy venture]

You can plug an amd gpu into a system that's had an nvidia gpu in it without dduing to see if it works

[potent portal]

Yeah it'll just use the default driver and limit your resolution/refresh

[mossy venture]

Yeah, like fresh install of windows

[manic cloak]

Ah

Im just wondering if it’s even possible to get my Pc to my copshop

Which is half a mile away

I did tell him if I can’t figure out the issue I won’t buy

So LETS GOOOO

DOMAIN EXPANSION, IDLE DEATH GAMBLE

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-kashimo-hakari-dance-gif-7516374847358498826

Probably find a friend to bring me over there to the cop shop or library tbh

I should probably just bring my pc w an hdmi and dp

Screwdriver too

Well

I gotta test the card

So I’m bringing my build over there

Idk maybe

Who knows

I probably should bring my monitor too

💀

[potent portal]

There's a lot of scammers on ebay, fair warning. Techs will buy cards "for parts/not working" and try to fix it (possibly breaking it more in the process), then when they can't fix it they'll play dumb with the "idk it does this, dunno why" routine.

[mossy venture]

^

I would never take anyone at face value unless they have a lot of very positive reviews

Like there's some refurb sellers on ebay with 95%+ positive feedback with thousands of sales

[austere basalt]

Hey y'all. Just built my first PC with a friend. I'm not super knowledgeable on computer stuff but he is (CSE major with build experience). Made up a build that refuses to boot. All connections have been triple checked. No debug lights on motherboard, but the PSU is for sure good

[lyric thistle]

No lights

Did you flip the switch on the back

[austere basalt]

Yep!

[lyric thistle]

Good good 👍

[austere basalt]

And the front panel connections are good as well. Standoffs are in place too

[lyric thistle]

Standoffs?

[austere basalt]

Suspected faulty MoBo but not entirely sure. There's just no power getting to it.

I'm in a sticky situation though because I can order a replacement MoBo, hope that that's the issue and just build it again, or pay $180 for a computer store to fix it

[lyric thistle]

If you're confident it's the motherboard, you can get it replaced via warranty/returns hopefully

[plucky timber]

Could just be headers

[austere basalt]

My friend and some of his other building buddies are confident it's the MoBo but as someone with no real experience I'm stuck on what to do next

What would the headers be?

Ah the connections. They all appear to be fine

[potent portal]

I'd try jumping the power pins instead of using a button

[austere basalt]

How do you do that?

[analog hearth]

With a flathead screwdriver

[potent portal]

Get a screwdriver and touch the pins together with it

[austere basalt]

Which pins fellas?

[potent portal]

What motherboard?

[austere basalt]

Sorry I'm not super well versed in this haha

MSI B760 Gaming plus with wifi

[lyric thistle]

Should be the power switch pins that will be found in the motherboard manual

[austere basalt]

Gotcha. Does this have any risk in damaging the system?

[potent portal]

Nope

[analog hearth]

Nah. Just dont touch any other pins (other than the power switch pins)

[austere basalt]

Oh wait I know these ones!

[potent portal]

So on that jfp1 header you want the two pins on the top right

[austere basalt]

Okay, so PSU switch on, but disconnect the front panel connections and jump the top right pins?

[potent portal]

Yep

[austere basalt]

That's to check if the button on the case is faulty right

[lyric thistle]

Yea

[potent portal]

Or if the wires got crossed somewhere

[austere basalt]

Cool, let me go try it quick

[potent portal]

I've plugged the reset button into the power switch header before lol

[austere basalt]

Alright. Didn't work.

[lone flame]

I was so mad with how long that took me to fix, my on off pins were like one pin too far to the left lol

[austere basalt]

If needed I can also provide pictures

[potent portal]

24 pin cable is securely inserted? That's the one that controls telling the PSU to turn on

Maybe take it out and put it back, on both ends

[jagged ember]

Pictures may help

[austere basalt]

For whatever reason can't send pictures. The cables are all secure, yep. Going forward with getting a new MoBo, seems like most logical next step, yes?

[lone flame]

send them to me in dms ill send them

[lyric thistle]

Image permissions require a certain amount of messages

[lone flame]

@potent portal

[potent portal]

Those are some thicc fans

What I would do, since you're going to be disassembling it anyway, is take everything off that it doesn't need to post.

What CPU is it?

If the SKU ends in F then you need the GPU in, otherwise you can take the GPU out and just plug the monitor into the motherboard

[lyric thistle]

Oh wow those are thick

[austere basalt]

It's a i7 13700k

[potent portal]

Not KF? Perfect. One less variable.

[austere basalt]

What does this mean haha

[potent portal]

Take the GPU and SSD out, disconnect all cables except the 24 pin and 8 pin CPU

Then try to jump it again

I have seen shorted out SSDs trigger protections on the power supply so it refuses to turn on

Same with GPUs

And occasional loose/misplaced wires

[austere basalt]

Alright I'll try that

My motherboard has 12 pins for the CPU, should I keep that as well?

[potent portal]

Do you mean POST? Power On Self Test, a hardware check it goes through before it boots

[potent portal]

You only need 8 unless you're doing LN2 overclocking

The less variables there are the better right now

[austere basalt]

Gotcha

[austere basalt]

Alright. Still nothing. No post codes either. Dead MoBo?

Literally everything is unplugged except the 24pin and 8 pin just like you said @potent portal

[potent portal]

If you're sure that the power supply works then yes at this point I'd call it the mobo

When you take out the CPU to return it check the socket for bent pins

If there's bent pins they might refuse to accept the return

[austere basalt]

Okay. Thanks for all your help!

[limber oyster]

My next watercooling build

[potent portal]

I think you're going to want a bigger reservoir with a radiator that big

[cyan ravine]

I think you're gonna want a separate loop for that ram

also don't buy a strix if you're gonna waterblock it

get a suprim x at most

1750 and it's better than a strix

or a 1600 tuf

tuf you can just load the strix vbios onto and it's identical at ambient pretty much

[potent portal]

Or a FE for that matter

[cyan ravine]

hell FE is lowkey actually great

one of the best pcb's

[potent portal]

Speaking of, do you know of anyone that's successfully cross flashed a 40 series FE?

[cyan ravine]

no

not atm

[potent portal]

I know 30 series you couldn't because of the power plug config but 40 shouldn't be as much of an issue I think

[cyan ravine]

but even still, the variance is basically nill cos of the 1.1v/1.07v voltage lock

[manic cloak]

@mossy venture and fal

[potent portal]

So they did test on 2 different systems

[manic cloak]

Yup

[potent portal]

It won't be an easy one then

[manic cloak]

So it’s definitely a card issue

Hell, it still doesn’t rule out that the port he’s using is broken

Though

It wouldn’t matter if the card itself is broken, afterall I heard there’s a lot of issues with this model on 3070s

[cyan ravine]

pcie slot

[manic cloak]

I doubt

If he has two builds he likely has more than 1 card

Then again, his monitor could be broken

[potent portal]

If he knew enough to test in multiple PCs then he probably knew more than just the bare basics

[manic cloak]

Thing is

[cyan ravine]

no I mean the gigabyte 30 series has pcie slot issues

[manic cloak]

He did say something about warranty, he put it inside the aorus warranty and it said active but he had no clue what it meant

[cyan ravine]

it's weak near the clip

so it cracks

40 series has it too

[manic cloak]

Oh you mean the hook?

[cyan ravine]

mhm

[manic cloak]

That’s from the weight

[cyan ravine]

ye

[manic cloak]

• if card warranty is still active

[cyan ravine]

3070ti still thick boi

[manic cloak]

He had to buy it in the past 3 years

[manic cloak]

True

[potent portal]

True that is gigglebit that has the worst of the cracking issue

[manic cloak]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

LOL

don't buy it

[manic cloak]

This gpu definitely fried

[cyan ravine]

that dummy did what you want to do

and failed

[potent portal]

4th hand GPU, probably doesn't have the original receipt to claim warranty

[manic cloak]

Confirm my issues LOL

[cyan ravine]

don't buy don't buy

[manic cloak]

Ya ya i won’t

Tomorrow I’ll message him

“Hey so like.. I’ve thought about it and I’ll pass. Sorry!”

[potent portal]

Send him this lol https://youtu.be/wb5tlHJHVBs?si=VKKcP4oGqlLBRC_t

[manic cloak]

Anyways there’s a 3070 for 200$

[manic cloak]

I asked him if there’s any pcie cracks

He’s checking

[potent portal]

It would be extremely small

[manic cloak]

True but it’d stick out like inside marble

You can just see the line but it looks like it isn’t there

@potent portal @cyan ravine checked the guys profiler, definitely a pc builder.

So he 100% knows this card is F’d, tried scrapping a broken pc likely for an investment and lost, now he’s reselling it as if he doesn’t know why this issue happened

[potent portal]

Called it lol

[manic cloak]

True lol

[limber oyster]

@cyan ravine I'm running two separate loops.

[cyan ravine]

also as the proud owner of these fans, they're terrible, they'll also take 7 weeks to ship

get C12C's instead they're much better

or if you must get alphacool, alphacool apex fans

[lyric thistle]

A courier makes a pilgrimage to deliver them

7 weeks of walking

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-in-the-desert-parker-mccollum-burn-it-down-song-walking-alone-wandering-gif-11222378531566371586

[limber oyster]

I already have some of those fans, they're not bad

[cyan ravine]

well, if you don't mind waiting 7 weeks then go ahead. 💀

advice is purely optional

[limber oyster]

I still need the desk and the GPU 😅

Also, we just lowered my brothers 6700xts temp by 14°C on idle

[lyric thistle]

I too did something pointless today

[round cloud]

What would you guys do with this? I7 8700, 2070, 16gb ram

Easiest thing would be to just sell but it’s missing the side panel lol

Could I turn it into a sffpc for <$200?

[olive cypress]

If you want to sell it I guess someone could still be interested even without side panel as far as the price is fair. You could also turn it into a cheap sff pc, of course not itx as mb and GPU aren't so small, but you can get a mAtx case for that

[lyric thistle]

Just cut out a piece of large format paper and punch holes in the right places

[round cloud]

Yea I’d maybe search locally for an itx mobo. Figured if a random happened to be selling one, it would probably be a good price

Like from someone who just upgraded

Perhaps

[lyric thistle]

Okay damn this thing is dustier than mine

[round cloud]

What do you guys think a fair price would be to just sell it?

[lyric thistle]

How can that be

[olive cypress]

Mhmh
You could also get a asrock h310 (I don't really recommend it) but it's almost itx and offers good stuff for cheap

[round cloud]

I have no emotional attachment since it’s a prebuilt

And it has no side panel

[olive cypress]

450..?

How much is that SSD?

[round cloud]

Not bad, I’d take that

[round cloud]

It was $100 not long ago

[olive cypress]

Is it 1tb?

Or 2

[lyric thistle]

I wouldn't buy it for 100

[round cloud]

$105

2

Maybe I could buy a new case and sell?

[olive cypress]

You give it a good clean as well and you may be able to sell the pc for 400 or about that

[round cloud]

Yea I guess I’ll list it and see if I get bites

And use that $$ to buy a fancy monitor perhaps.

[lyric thistle]

I'd bite for 50

[round cloud]

$50 for the whole pc?

[lyric thistle]

Yessir

[round cloud]

That’s mean

[mossy venture]

That's really overpriced

Idk if you're looking to buy it or not I didn't read above

[teal dome]

Buy a 2tb nvme ssd for around 60

[lyric thistle]

Best buy

Of course it's overpriced at Best buy

[round cloud]

It’s the one currently in my old pc I’m pondering what to do with

[earnest olive]

used value is probably 40-50 now

depends on the health/writes you’ve done to it

50 if it’s pretty lightly used

[little osprey]

Just bought a 3600X for $70

Bad price?

[haughty zodiac]

yea

[olive cypress]

You could have bought mine for 65 buck

[haughty zodiac]

You can make 20 in a hundred with me.

[earnest olive]

meh, it’s okay

including or excluding tax?

if that’s including tax or on a platform where you don’t have to pay tax then it’s decent

[little osprey]

Excluding

It was like $80 total for shipping and tax

[earnest olive]

okay that’s not a good price anymore

[mossy venture]

Yeah 5500 for $62 on tt shop before tax free shipping

[weary galleon]

Why do so many people buy things and then ask for advice

[little osprey]

I don't necessarily think about tax and shipping, just more so the base price of the product

As long as it suffices for my needs it should be fine, I was just curious

[potent portal]

Because they don't want advice, they want validation

[little osprey]

😔

[potent portal]

It's not just you don't worry. It's a really common thing. People buy on impulse and either start to second guess themselves or want pats on the back for making good purchases. It's not my place to judge your specific scenario, though.

[little osprey]

Well I suppose I should give some context for those who don't know

I've been trying to put together a rig free of cost for my GF and her sister to use since they're still running a 4th gen Intel iGPU to play games and only now is their HDD failing them

So I felt bad and decided to pull together some spare parts and went looking for stuff I needed

Let me find the list real quick

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mzjfyg

Had to toss it together RQ

For mainly Minecraft, Fortnite, and Roblox

[manic cloak]

or you can spend around 500$ for a tiktok shop build

but with that in your pcpp, is that like facebook market or?

[little osprey]

The PSU, RAM, and storage I all had as spare parts

The CPU, motherboard, and GPU I've all bought semi recently

Also like I said I'm doing this out of pocket, so I really can't expend THAT much

[south cliff]

Yo got my fans

[manic cloak]

Then ya that should work

[south cliff]

It all works good

They look pretty good

Just my case light doesn’t sync

But turns on

I put 4 of the fans on 1 Argb header and the other 4 on another and 4 fans on 1 fan header and the other 4 on another fan header is that fine?

[potent portal]

Yes

[south cliff]

Ok I didn’t expect them to be this good for 13 dollars a pack

[potent portal]

Right? That's why we recommend them

Insane value

[weary galleon]

Thermalright really started popped off

[cyan ravine]

Tell you who I am starting to see good from

Thermaltake, deepcool

For cases

[mossy venture]

G300a should be cheaper

Especially w tiktok shop

It was $25 the other day on tt shop, not sure if it still is

[austere basalt]

Alright guys, new MoBo arrives tomorrow. Is it worth testing it before putting it in the PC? Is that even possible?

[cyan ravine]

Man $25 for a box sounds just so worth it

[mossy venture]

Phanteks and fractal design are still my favorite ones, not because of their brand just for the quality of the cases they have at the prices they are right now

[austere basalt]

Like have the MoBo with the CPU and ram in, then plug in the 24 pin and CPU pins to the PSU and turn it on?

[little osprey]

I'm trying to make this as low profile as possible

[cyan ravine]

You could, but at the same time, just a couple extra steps in the process

[mossy venture]

Ah

[little osprey]

So getting a micro ATX case without a side panel is what I'm opting for

[mossy venture]

There are some cheaper matx cases too

One sec

[cyan ravine]

That's the problem with the ones I'm talking about, they're arguably fabulous, just always the wrong price.

Ch371 would be my forever go to if it was $20 cheaper

[austere basalt]

@cyan ravine just put the whole thing together then? I had an issue with a dead MoBo so ig I'm just kinda nervous haha

[cyan ravine]

Ye you could

[mossy venture]

I think this one would be similar size, but I didn't check exactly

[cyan ravine]

Stick it on the mobo box

[mossy venture]

Q300l is also kinda crap but it's an matx box with a mesh front

Also nx200m is decent

[austere basalt]

What do I even need to check if the MoBo works? Just the 24 pin and then front panel power button connections?

[cyan ravine]

Mobo 24 pin

[mossy venture]

If none of those are smaller then the one you had in the list is good

[cyan ravine]

Cpu 8 pin

[jagged ember]

its got nice airflow

[cyan ravine]

Short the power pins

[jagged ember]

no filters though

[cyan ravine]

And it turns on

[austere basalt]

And install the CPU or nah

[cyan ravine]

If you install cpu, it will want the cooler

At least in some capacity

But you can't post without cpu and ram so, yeah

[austere basalt]

Gotcha

[cyan ravine]

You'll get as far as acknowledgement that it turns on

[austere basalt]

How's that work with an aio, do I need that plugged into the MoBo?

[cyan ravine]

Cpu and ram will get you as far as to bios

Mhm

[austere basalt]

Gotcha

[cyan ravine]

Plug into cpu_fan

The pump

Later configure it to 100% always

[austere basalt]

And I'm at no risk of hurting it by shorting the power pins?

[cyan ravine]

No

Cos that's what the button does

[austere basalt]

Right right

[cyan ravine]

You're doing it instead with a screwdriver

[austere basalt]

Cool, thanks man

[cyan ravine]

All good

[austere basalt]

Hopin it works out

[cyan ravine]

If anything's still unclear don't hesitate to ask

I take a little bit of pride in that, the more we know, the better our advice is around here

[austere basalt]

Appreciate it. Been trying to get it up and running since Monday

[cyan ravine]

Heh, I know the feeling

I just finished my own personal rig projects on Wednesday

[austere basalt]

First build I just can't believe my MoBo was shot

[cyan ravine]

Rip

It happens

Sometimes the most outlandish things

[austere basalt]

At this point I'm just hoping the CPU pins are fine. The friend helping me build knows what he's doin though so it should be aight

Because assuming that's fine, all should work

[cyan ravine]

What cpu and mobo?

[mossy venture]

Iirc it was a 13700k but I could be wrong, seeing as they said cpu pins I'm doubting myself

Yeah 13700k

[cyan ravine]

Be just the mobo I'd worry about then

[little osprey]

I hate to deny your suggestion, but it has a transparent side panel

[cyan ravine]

If the pins are intact and you install it carefully, should be totally fine

[little osprey]

The hardware I'm using is uhhh

To say the least not pretty

[earnest olive]

you can make any old hardware look decent

just a matter of effort and skill

[potent portal]

And a generous application of rgb

But mostly effort

[little osprey]

Motherboard is dusty and RAM is ugly

[earnest olive]

don’t need rgb to make a system look decent

dust can be cleaned

ram can be delidded

or just ignore it lol

[potent portal]

rgb isn't required but it's a shortcut lol

[little osprey]

I dunno how to clean the board

[potent portal]

Compressed air

[little osprey]

My air compressor is for diesel engine sized vehicles 💀

[potent portal]

That might be a tad overkill

[little osprey]

Yeah I was gonna say

[potent portal]

Handheld blowers are fine, or the disposable cans

[little osprey]

Unfortunately I don't have either on hand

[earnest olive]

you can clean a board with alcohol wipes too

[potent portal]

As long as it's a high concentration of alcohol yeah

[earnest olive]

just make sure it’s dry before turning it on again

70% is fine

[potent portal]

Higher is better, less water content less chance of corroding something you can't see

[little osprey]

I have some isopropyl alcohol but not wipes

[potent portal]

That works, what %

[little osprey]

I'll have to check

Wanna say 93%?

I never looked before TBF

[potent portal]

You can just throw that into a spray bottle and go at it

Or do it the lazy way and douse it

[little osprey]

My step mom brought it home from a dental office so I dunno if that's a good or bad thing

[potent portal]

Probably high concentration then

Which is good

Alcohol evaporates very fast

Lower alcohol content means more water, which can sit for long enough to corrode things

[little osprey]

So can I just use a new toothbrush and let it sit and dry after I get all the dust?

[potent portal]

Soft bristle only if you go that route, and don't put any pressure

You don't want to dislodge something important

[little osprey]

Alright I'll check here

Okay so the isopropyl alcohol is 70%

[obsidian wolf]

Who’s thrill for the xtx probably going down more in price after the new 4080 releases

[obsidian wigeon]

new 4080?

you meant 4080s/ti, those very overpriced gpus?

that wouldn't be the reason for xtx to drop further

but it will drop anyway

radeon gpus always sink in msrp

[lone flame]

[obsidian wolf]

Yeah but you get what I mean

I don’t mean new 4080 as in 4080 obviously is a different model

[lone flame]

why a 4080ti though

[obsidian wolf]

And you responded to yourself, the more nvidia drops, the more Radeon prices lower which for others mean a win

[obsidian wolf]

Who Tf knows

[lone flame]

just so they can edge out the xtx in performance?

[obsidian wolf]

Lol

[lone flame]

what 6950xt do you have btw

[obsidian wolf]

Forgot how you called them but the Radeon make one

[lone flame]

reference card?

[obsidian wolf]

Yes

[lone flame]

such a cool looking card

the reference 6000 series have to be my favorite looking gpus ever

[south cliff]

Also I think the fans are made the wrong way

Like instead of the normal

It’s the opposite

[potent portal]

It doesn't matter which way the fans spin

In fact there's some cards that have the center fan rotating in the opposite direction of the other 2 fans. Supposedly it helps with turbulence and noise.

[little osprey]

Whole bunch of turbulence

[vague oracle]

until you vertical mount it

[cyan ravine]

Nvidia does this funny thing it seems like for every time AMD drops new cards (I'm gonna reference J2C for the first time in years) where they drop a card to compete, AMD has this similar card that is better in certain ways, and Nvidia just decides it can't have that

so they release another card

aimed to better match the AMD card, but with all the nvidia features

from my memory, the price never seems to make sense in this regard?

but this is why we had the:

3080 12gb

Nvidia Super cards

the uhhh

I know there's more examples but I got a massive headache atm sorry

[lone flame]

its fine

half of that went

in one ear

out the other

[cyan ravine]

it's basically like

[lone flame]

marketing stuff

[cyan ravine]

Nvidia seems to have this massive, I wanna say, FOMO?

they like to line up their raw performance figures perfectly with the AMD cards, or at least as has been proven in the past

the 20 series super cards purely existed because of RDNA 1

even though, they don't and never really did make a lot of sense

[plucky timber]

yeah

the 2070S was more of a competitor to the 5700XT than anything

the 5700XT was still better value at $399 compared to the 2070S at $499

even though it didn't have RT

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much

It remains to be seen how a 4080 Ti stacks up, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's about the same as the XTX in raster, or closer to the 4090

[lone flame]

also does j2c refer to jayztwocents

or however you spell it

[cyan ravine]

mhm

[potent portal]

At least the 2070 didn't spontaneously explode like the 5700 XT would

[cyan ravine]

Yeah but it was even worse during the 30 series

Lmao

3090 ti

[round cloud]

My PC is running great and temps are fine, but fans are lil loud

[cyan ravine]

3080 12gb

[round cloud]

think its the FC120 in the AIO

[cyan ravine]

3070 ti

Heckin 3080 ti

I get they do TI's but the performance was sus

[dim forge]

thoughts on upgrading a 12100F?

[potent portal]

Double check your settings in bios. 3 pin fans (and pumps) should be set to DC control mode. If it's set to PWM mode then the fans will run at 100%.

[cyan ravine]

With a 2060? Mostly pointless

[potent portal]

13600k is about as high as I'd go, and it's a significant upgrade

[dim forge]

I'm planning to sell my 2060

[cyan ravine]

Depends on the motherboard too

[dim forge]

and get a 6600xt or smt better

but idk

[dim forge]

it's a b660 msi-a

[cyan ravine]

I would still call a 12100f ok with a 6600xt

Tbh

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-thighs-sweating-gif-21950511

[potent portal]

If you're at 1080p then an upgrade to the CPU could do you some good with a 6600 XT

[dim forge]

Okayy

I'll see if any good deal pops up in black friday

[potent portal]

The prices will only get higher as stock gets lower

[dim forge]

I also need a new cooler, my stock cooler got damaged when I shipped my pc

and my cpu is running hot

[lone flame]

it just dropped another 10 bucks

i am going to try and get it tomorrow

[round cloud]

They're not always loud though, they seem to step up and down

[potent portal]

Ah so it is being controlled at least

You can adjust the fan curve then to help

[round cloud]

I had heard about eco mode, researched a bit, saw it was not applicable to 7800x3d

[dim forge]

is so hot

even tho room temperature is like 10C

[round cloud]

Should I poke around in BIOS or do you reccomend any software?

[potent portal]

Yeah it's a really low power processor already. The stock wraith cooler is sufficient with that thing.

[round cloud]

I was thinking of replacing the fans on the AIO

[potent portal]

Bios is good, "fan control" on github gives more options for control but it's a bit of a learning curve

[potent portal]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SDGBJ55
This would handle a CPU upgrade later too

[round cloud]

I dont think I can unwind them much, they seem to kick in as needed and my temps never really go past 70 at the most peak gaming

Ill mess with stuff...

[potent portal]

You can safely run the 7800X3D up to about 85C without throttling at all so you can relax the curve a bit there.
Here's some fans to consider too. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BKJJM5M2?th=1

[round cloud]

Also I can feel case vibrating slightly

[potent portal]

That's normal

Water pump usually vibrates a fair bit

[round cloud]

KK cool

Ill def look into relaxing curve a bit, I feel better about running cooler, but honestly its whatever i suppose.

[potent portal]

Here's that if you want to take a look https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

[dim forge]

would It be an overkill to get PS120?

[round cloud]

@potent portal thx, back to gaming for now but I will check this out.

[potent portal]

That's overkill for most people yes. That can handle a 13700k doing an all core blender workload.

[cyan ravine]

if you plan to use it with a bigger upgrade later like a 13600k then no

[dim forge]

[potent portal]

Better overkill than underkill

It's only $40

[dim forge]

I don't know, I'm also on the verge of selling my pc and getting an expensive laptop

[potent portal]

If you travel around a lot that might be a good move

[dim forge]

yeah I usually travel 1-2 months each semester

but laptops are so overpriced here 💀

[round cloud]

Is it safe to move a PC while its on if no HDD?

Like, rotate it 90 degrees

to its side

[potent portal]

Yeah that's fine. If you have liquid cooling you might cause an air lock and kill your pump though.

But that's unlikely

Keep the pump below the rest of the loop and it's fine basically, air floats to the top. If the air gets to the pump, it grinds metal.

[round cloud]

Was just wondering really, that’s kinda cool it’s basically safe

[potent portal]

It would be safe even if you did have a HDD. It's not the movement so much as sudden shocks and drops that damage them

[round cloud]

I forgot to put a side panel back on while building

[potent portal]

Vibration can be a killer too but most cases have anti vibration damping

[round cloud]

Vibration would kill what?