building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

K

[gentle pollen]

Wz is mostly CPU intensive.

[quasi blade]

its the best case

[mossy venture]

No shot you just called wz2 well made lmao

[quasi blade]

i use an external 1080mm rad

[mossy venture]

It's so unoptimized

[quasi blade]

its not

it was a separate statement

not implying wz is well made

[gentle pollen]

You guys think the 7950x3D is worth $60 over 13900k?

[mossy venture]

Depends on you

If you want to focus on multi core performance/workstation tasks, 13900k, still a kick ass cpu for gaming ofc

[quasi blade]

absolutely not

unless youre like a sadist or smth

and enjoy manually disabling half your cpu for games

[mossy venture]

7950x3d if you want to sacrifice some multi core perf to have ~10% better gaming perf

[quasi blade]

questionable

but

if youre not gonna tune anything they both should be fine

[mossy venture]

Should also factor in mobo and cooler prices btw

[quasi blade]

one a little more finnicky but potentially better perf depending

[mossy venture]

13900k basically needs atleast a 280mm aio, and that's on the lower end

[quasi blade]

^

280mm aios are enough to cool it undervolted

under a full load

stock ehh

[gentle pollen]

I like to tune, but also I do a lot of Adobe AE, Premier, and etc along with Blender nowadays.

[quasi blade]

if you like tuning 100% go 13900k imo

[mossy venture]

13900k

[quasi blade]

esp if you mess with ram

[gentle pollen]

I have a LS720 in push/pull.

[quasi blade]

oh yeah

13900k 1000% lol

[gentle pollen]

Gotcha, I already have the contact frame so I was debating which to go now that AMD is more expensive.

Picked up the frame for like $5.

[quasi blade]

ye youre already set up for it and it has more tunability so just makes sende

also better for the tasks you listed

[gentle pollen]

How bad is the power draw?

Like realistically speaking.

[mossy venture]

1700w

Joking

[quasi blade]

eh

[gentle pollen]

Noticable increase to power bill?

[mossy venture]

With ln2 ocing, which you'd need more than an lt720 for, it can get to like 500w+

[quasi blade]

im undervolted and at stock clocks 4.7 ring i dont go above 320w like ever

including in linpack, vst, etc.

[obsidian wigeon]

it's noticeable if your country has high rates

and you run the rig 24/7

[mossy venture]

You'd probably sit around or under 425w without a uv

[obsidian wigeon]

but that's unrealistic anyway

[quasi blade]

for gaming its like sub 200w always even in high usage games

[quasi blade]

^ or maybe less idk

[gentle pollen]

Gotcha.

I won't pay it mind then.

[quasi blade]

just move to the best country duh (sarcasm)

[mossy venture]

My 13600k pulled 315w since my motherboard decided to unlock pl limit off the rip

Until I undervolted it

[quasi blade]

LOL

baste

i dont pull over that on my 13900k with no PL

[gentle pollen]

Lmao.

[quasi blade]

optimal

[mossy venture]

Was hitting 100c instantly in r23 multi core

Under a 280mm aio

[quasi blade]

jesus wtf

[mossy venture]

Set it to 1.325v and all good now

[quasi blade]

you might need better paste

[gentle pollen]

13900K and ram tuned competes with 7950x3D and ram tuned right?

[quasi blade]

was this 315w pout or package power?

[quasi blade]

usually beats

[mossy venture]

No I don't, it was entirely the motherboard feeding it too much power

[quasi blade]

except in games that LOVE x3d

[quasi blade]

yeah but 100c at 315w is really bad

[mossy venture]

It was feeding it power until it hit its thermal limit, it would've done higher if I had better cooling

[gentle pollen]

Like Simulators right?

[quasi blade]

i have a dying x63 and it cools better than that

[mossy venture]

No it isnt?

[quasi blade]

itd depend

[mossy venture]

13900k and 13600k are different cpus

[quasi blade]

what sims are you talking about

[mossy venture]

Yes the 13900k is typically hotter but the heat is spread out differently

[quasi blade]

yeah sure

[mossy venture]

It sits around 40-45c in games

[quasi blade]

but 100c is mad excessive

[gentle pollen]

I play mostly Ark, Halo, MW2, and Minecraft.

[quasi blade]

thats like +15-20c

[mossy venture]

And now is around 80c at 240w in r23 multi core

[quasi blade]

MW2 the 13900k will win esp in lows

[mossy venture]

Well, it did. I need to put a contact frame on now, since it's warped a bit

[quasi blade]

i think halo too? my friend did some tests on that a while ago

idk about ark and mc though

[mossy venture]

Now it's hitting 96c in r23 due to 13th gen being silly goofy

I've a contact frame I just need to actually put it on

[gentle pollen]

MC likes whatever has best singlecore.

[quasi blade]

oh yeah

if mc likes compute id bet the 13900k wins

[gentle pollen]

Doesn't really care for extra cache.

[quasi blade]

then yeah 100%

[gentle pollen]

Loves ram though.

[quasi blade]

yeah me too but cba

just waiting to go direct die

[quasi blade]

sounds like itd love a 13900k

[gentle pollen]

Gotcha.

And I like spending less money.

[quasi blade]

trooly

[gentle pollen]

So it sounds like Intel is the way to go.

Wonder if I should wait for 14900K.

[quasi blade]

Intel tends to be the way to go for consistency

[quasi blade]

imo you should

unless the MSRP is really bad at launch its like

why wouldnt you wait a week or two more yk

[obsidian wigeon]

thing is you can run 7950x3d on 125 bucks boards tho

cheap z boards does exist, so do keep in mind for those lel

[quasi blade]

he wants to tune it

[obsidian wigeon]

then intel it is

[mossy venture]

Asus z690 plus wifi is fine and is $160 rn

[gentle pollen]

I was planning on spending around $250 for a decent board either way for tuning and also I need the M.2 slots.

[quasi blade]

get a z790 aorus elite

best board for that criteria easily

[mossy venture]

Absolute most I'd spend on a board https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9B2WGX/msi-mag-z790-tomahawk-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-z790-tomahawk-wifi

[quasi blade]

pls no

spend the premium on an aorus elite

msi 4 dimmers just cant compete with gigabytes rn

[gentle pollen]

?

[mossy venture]

"Budget" option https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rKGbt6/asrock-z690-pg-velocita-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-pg-velocita

[quasi blade]

bioses affect ddr5 a lot

gigabyte makes the best 2 dimm per channel bioses rn

by far

nobody really competes with them

some aorus elites can run ddr5-8000 daily with good imcs

[gentle pollen]

Isn't 4 dimms of DDR5 a bad idea?

[quasi blade]

yeah

[mossy venture]

It's not as bad as it used to be but it's still worse than two sticks

[quasi blade]

but im talking about just 2 sticks on a 4 dimm board

^

[gentle pollen]

Oh so 1DPC.

Thought you were talking about for 2DPC.

[quasi blade]

i meant 2dpc as in the board not how many sticks

cuz all non itx boards at that price range will be 2dpc

[gentle pollen]

So go with Gigabyte if I plan to tune?

[quasi blade]

yeah for that price range

nothing beats the aorus elite

unless you can get like an MSI ITX board or smth but they dont come that cheap generally

[gentle pollen]

Not going ITX.

[quasi blade]

yeah then its bar none the best in that range easily

[gentle pollen]

I need at least 3 preferably 4 M.2 slots.

[quasi blade]

for tunability while still having reasonable features/i/o

[quasi blade]

it has 4

[gentle pollen]

I see.

[quasi blade]

all 2280 form factor ofc

[gentle pollen]

Definitely considering it though are there any other good aesthetic options?

[quasi blade]

uhh

the aero g @gentle pollen

i think thats 300 though? i forget

[gentle pollen]

Ooof, yeah.

Does Gigabyte really make that big of a difference when tuning?

[quasi blade]

yes

i would never go asus for 2dpc if i cared about tuning

youd be OK on msi though

not sure what aesthetic options they have but would be alright

[cyan ravine]

Not for 3x the price it ain't

I'll take the cheap gentle typhoons instead

[gentle pollen]

Will probably do Gigabytes however MSI is tempting as they have some nice looking boards for much cheaper.

[quasi blade]

what boards?

[quasi blade]

true

[south cliff]

but are they better than the p12?

[mossy venture]

Very similar

Felix knows the exact comparison

[south cliff]

that does seem like a pretty good deal

what if i get them off tiktok shop

[mossy venture]

Idk what they're priced at on tt shop

[south cliff]

and the lightbar is acting weird it turned on and then it tured off for a while but it was white now its back on and blue which is my color scheme and i didnt even do anything

[mossy venture]

Theyre $13 on amazon, idk about newegg

[south cliff]

but i cant complain

[mossy venture]

And neweggs where stuff is well priced on tt shop

[south cliff]

i dont think there on there

[mossy venture]

Yeah they're not

[cyan ravine]

Better due to higher range of flow

[south cliff]

thats fine tho

[cyan ravine]

For less as well

[south cliff]

how the only 13 dollars

[south cliff]

i got a pack of p12 for 20

5

pack of 5

refurbished

[cyan ravine]

That's competitive

[south cliff]

tho

[cyan ravine]

They're normally 30.for 5 new

But c12c is 3 for 12.89 iirc

New

[south cliff]

yeah i might consider it

tbh

i think it will make it look really good

[mossy venture]

Non rgb is $11.90, rgb is 12.90, white rgb is 13.90

[south cliff]

what about my aio fans

[cyan ravine]

They're basically P12's without the daisy chain but with waayyyy higher airflow scaling, if you look at it from a practical perspective

[south cliff]

i need to replace them

nzxt fans are loud

[cyan ravine]

Nzxt has been trash at most things for many years

Lmao

[south cliff]

can i replace them with them with these

[mossy venture]

You should hear evga clc fans

[south cliff]

got the x73 for like 80-90 dollars refurbished with everything in the box

[cyan ravine]

Mmmmmmm

Mmmmmm

MMMMMMM

https://tenor.com/view/rodin-yoyo-gif-4803278

[south cliff]

i feel lioke it was a decent price

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/thinker-art-penseur-gif-18140809

It's not that bad ig

How long ago was this

[south cliff]

i thought it was the z73

with the picture

on the screen

but i mixed them up

[cyan ravine]

The screen one for 90 would've been amazing yeah, if you are into that

They're basically the same asetek underneath tho

How long ago did you buy this

[south cliff]

can i replece the nzxt fans with those

[south cliff]

a decent bit ago

[cyan ravine]

Ok then it would've been a good buy

[south cliff]

like a year

and a half

or longer

[cyan ravine]

Cos only recently we learned about the notte

[south cliff]

whats that

[cyan ravine]

Quite good

[cyan ravine]

Thermalright's new aio lineup

Notte, magic, scenic

[south cliff]

is it good

[cyan ravine]

They're great, all like, sub $70

They're better on intel than amd tho

Something they haven't cracked yet at thermalright

It's better than an x73 for less though, let's just say

[south cliff]

yeah i might need to get a new aio soon

my cat has been up there

and prolly caked in cat fur

i try not let her sta up there

[cyan ravine]

Nothing a good clean won't fix

[south cliff]

i did a little bit ago

[cyan ravine]

Use what you got man

[south cliff]

just is pretty time consuming and i dont want to risk breaking anythiong

i just run it under water

the radiator

nothing connected to it

[cyan ravine]

Ye, if you leave it to dry, that's ok

[south cliff]

yeah thats what i did

for like a hour

or more

[cyan ravine]

You can also do like fans

Vacuuming etc

[south cliff]

whats that

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much what it sounds like

Leaf blower

Just not with the fans attached obv

[south cliff]

i used to leaf blower my stuff

got alot of dust out

also how many can i daisy chain

of the tl-c12

[cyan ravine]

Idk don't own one

[south cliff]

becasue i might not have enoug connectors

[cyan ravine]

Also don't know if they can

[south cliff]

i think i have seen a video on them

that they do

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough

Mobo headers are typically rated for 1A

So P12's can do technically 9 on one

But I stop at 6

[south cliff]

yeah you can daisy chain

[cyan ravine]

C12C's? No idea what their power draw is

[quasi blade]

same here

[south cliff]

Alright took my fans out of the fan controller and now they are super silent

[nova apex]

if im leaving town for a week, should i shut down my pc and turn off my psu or can i just put my pc on shutdown?

[mossy venture]

In three years of having my pc I've never had any issues with power surges or anything like that, and I don't even have a surge protector, but that also depends on your area

If you're not worried about it normally, I wouldn't worry about it now

[nova apex]

would it reset anything in my pc or no?

cuz i mean its better safe than sorry i think\

[lyric thistle]

?

[mossy venture]

Shouldn't no

[south cliff]

me personally i just turn off the psu and unplug it even if nothing happens better safe then sorry

[silent cosmos]

Hi

[mossy venture]

Hello

[gentle pollen]

MSI PRO-A, and Tomahawk.

[quasi blade]

oh absolutely dont get the A pro

the tomahawk should be ok though

[mossy venture]

Pro a is mid range, nice board but probably not what you're looking for

Tomahawk has more io, I believe more m.2s, better ram tuning potential, technichally better vrms but that's irrelevant here with how good the vrms already are on the pro a

[gentle pollen]

How big of a difference for tuning is there between the Z790 Aorus Elite and MSI Tomahawk?

DDR5 & Wifi versions for both.

[strong raft]

Probably not enough to think over

[manic cloak]

Vs

[manic cloak]

Never oced or mined

[south cliff]

Talk him down to 250

See what is the lowest they will go and go off of that

If you can get the 6800 down to 250 and the 3070 seller won’t budge I’m going with the 6800

Not because I have one

Because it has more vram and will get fsr 3.0

But since I’m not the smartest ask some other people on what they think also

[maiden plover]

Can someone help me out pls? I’m absolutely done at this point, I dunno what else to do and im beyond frustrated. My Bluetooth isn’t working and no matter what I try it doesn’t work. I’m all I want to do is use my ps4 controller to play on steam but nothing I do works.

[mossy venture]

6800xt any day of the week

[manic cloak]

Non xt

[mossy venture]

Ah

3070 for $50 less then

Is better price for what you get

[manic cloak]

I see

[south cliff]

but see if you can bargin with them first

[manic cloak]

Ofc

[south cliff]

if there the same price get 6800

if not 3070

[little osprey]

Is this a good GPU? ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card

[obsidian wigeon]

price?

[gentle pollen]

Good but what's the price?

[little osprey]

Put together a range of different things I've been wanting, here's what I came up with and I'm curious what y'all think

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1574389-REG/gigabyte_gigabyte_g27q_g27q_27_ips_gaming.html (Primary monitor)
https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-pc37x-gaming-headset (On sale, but will take a while to ship which I'm fine with)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08J4JRRCT?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 (Secondary monitor)
https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/xm2we/gaming-mice (Current mouse is giving me issues)
https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/aqua-control-gaming-mouse-pads/ (Probably 1000x500mm in black and 4mm thick)

[serene onyx]

Hey guys

Is the rx 6500 worth it?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zesty_/saved/c2nzvK

https://www.newegg.com/account/referral/GETDER?v=pdp-_-USA-_-9SIAFVFGZH3403-_--_-US231001-_-0-_-N82E16814202412-_-sapphire-radeon-rx-6500-xt-11314-01-20g&n=03248956d09df62c374376cf91efc1d2

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331354?Item=N82E16820331354&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-354-_-10072023

Is this a pretty solid build?

@mossy venture hey, do u think the 6500 will be good?

[obsidian wigeon]

no

it's trash

private list tho

can't look

[serene onyx]

Oh

Nvm

Hold on

I'll make it pub

Ok now loon

Looj

Look

@obsidian wigeon is the build good atleast

Besides the gpu

I just need a gpu for the build

This is my cousins build

Budget is like 550 to 600

[obsidian wigeon]

i could do better

[serene onyx]

Please do

I need it to be like final

Finna start buying the parts one I get a solid list done

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fJNDZJ

boop

[serene onyx]

Thanks

Thank ypu

[obsidian wigeon]

it all gud

or save some buckeroos going 3600

better anyway

[proud tide]

Pardon me, but I'm having a heck of a time with my build and was wondering if I could bother some of you smart folks for some ideas with troubleshooting it.

Assembled with the newegg builder, followed directions etc etc. Took it apart again and went through everything for common mistakes. Only one thing I am seeing I have a question about but the rest seems decent?

[pseudo pollen]

Ask away, and please show me your build list

[proud tide]

Sure, let met get that all together, and thank you in advance 🙂

[pseudo pollen]

Yeah, happy to help

[serene onyx]

@obsidian wigeon is the warning a false negative

Pretty sure it is right

[pseudo pollen]

Just update the bios once you get it, but it should be fine

[serene onyx]

Bet

I'll do it

[proud tide]

ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus Wif LGA 1700 (Intel 12th + 13th) (motherboard)
Intel Core I7 -12700k  BX8071512700K (CPU)

DeepCool AK 620 (cooler)

G.Skill Ripjaws S5 - 32gb pair (x2, so 64gb) (Memory)

Gigabyte windforce Geforce RTX 4070 12gb (graphics)

Corsair RM750e (power supply)

Team Group T-force Cardea A440 pro - 2tb SSD

Problem(s): Crashes instantly running cyberpunk, crashes relatively quickly running Mechwarrior Online. Crashes during Cinemark, not from excess heat as far as I can tell? Lots of memory warnings like trying to assign to a point in memory and can't. In debug I can copy and paste when one comes up again.

Things I've done: Found every update I could, no luck there. Reinstalled windows and found every update again. No luck on round two. Double checked my entire build, checked I didn't forget the the little plastic flap on the cooler so I removed it, I didn't, paste is good as well an reseated CPI. Ran memory check, no issues. Ran cinemark... crashed. Reseated graphics card. It's still happy. Checked all memory is seated fine, all good.

Only visible issue I could find and can't navigate: There is an 8 pin and a 4pin connector for the CPU power. Directions say just use 8 pin. I only have an 8 pin connector that came with the power supply, so I am running just 8pin. Maybe I should get an 8+4 connector just to be thorough?

I just got into the "Ai Suite 3" tool and turned down all the overclocking I could find. Cinemark now passes, just not sure if I am leaving much on the table?

I'm not sure what steps I take from here to determine what product "is at fault". Or maybe just getting rid of all overclocking helps?

[obsidian wigeon]

it's false negative

[serene onyx]

Bet

[obsidian wigeon]

is 3600 cheaper?

if it is just go 3600

[obsidian wigeon]

What's your idle temps?

Is the crash a blue screen, or a game error?

[proud tide]

30c. Blue screen from Cinemark and once from games. Generally just closes and asks me to send info, I open what info and open stacktrace file to see what the error is and it's generally about failing to assign to a point in memory.

I'm nearing the end of my second 10 minute run of Cinemark. Bouncing between 64-65c. Seems to be pretty reasonable now. Maybe I'll get lucky and turning all the overclocking off (that comes on by default) fixes everything

[obsidian wigeon]

That's pretty normal..

Hm, what does the bsod code say?

[proud tide]

I unfortunately didn't take a note or grab a picture. I'm just wrapping up cinemark run 2. I'll try cyberpunk again now

[obsidian wigeon]

Alright

Recreate the problem and tell me

[peak shell]

woi i cant send pics

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok

[proud tide]

Welp I've surviveda ton of the cyberpunk benchmarks on ridiculously high settings. So far I think this is a new record 😄

(for not having crashed this far)

That silly automated overclocking was way way too aggresive I guess

[obsidian wigeon]

Then we have the answer

Auto oc doing the bad

[jagged ember]

Auto oc sucks unfortunately

[cyan ravine]

Asus auto oc?

[obsidian wigeon]

yems

asussy auto oc

[cyan ravine]

Asus auto oc has always been bad

All boards ship with MCE

[quasi blade]

all auto oc sucks mostly

[runic spruce]

Asus auto oc just aims for stability shooting the voltage for mediocre clock speeds

[tired radish]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rqKxHG

Set up the list for my first build, is this hardware good enough for Blender, FL Studio, and most Adobe programs? (I’m on a budget lol)

[mossy venture]

I would rearrange your budget allocation

The sound card isn't needed, a $20 pair of speakers would be a better purchase, but aside from that give me a few and I'll remake the list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WhrXkJ

Could also go for a 13600k

Wait I forgot mobo

One sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HYBJyg

Can also do much cheaper speakers, razer products are not well priced

[earnest olive]

if they want to use earbuds/headphones, a $9 apple dac probably beats that $142 sound card

[earnest olive]

just never use auto overclocking

especially ASUS auto overclocking

ASUS auto overclocking has a lovely tendency to cause permanent damage to your CPU by applying insane voltages to it

seen it automatically apply 1.71V to a 13900K lol

remove half of your ram if you really want some more performance

4 sticks of ddr5 😐

especially on z690

guessing your memory errors are from trying to run your XMP profile on all 4 sticks and you just happened to turn off XMP now

if you truly need 64gb ram get a 2x32 kit, otherwise just take out half of your ram and return it

[frigid echo]

Hey, could I get some feedback on my build? I'm trying to keep it around 700 and yes I already have a case and ram. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kj6dHG

[earnest olive]

do you already have an ssd?

tbh even if you do there's just no reason to buy a hard drive these days

nvme is cheap

also, for future reference you should add your case and ram to the list and just set the price to $0 manually

[frigid echo]

Ah okay will do

[earnest olive]

what case/ram do you have

[frigid echo]

And no I just wanted mre storage

[earnest olive]

i am making you a list

[earnest olive]

well hard drive is absolutely not the way to go

[frigid echo]

Got it

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRDFsh

if 730 is too much you can drop it to a 6700xt for 700 on the dot

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6MLn6D

[frigid echo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Cyqqs/nzxt-h510-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-h510b-w1

[earnest olive]

this will perform anywhere from 50% to infinity times better than the list you linked

i say infinity because there are games coming out now that straight up do not function on hard drives

[frigid echo]

Ah got it thank you

[earnest olive]

case sucks but ehh it's fine if you already have it

[frigid echo]

Yeah that's how I feel

[earnest olive]

if you haven't already bought it yet or are still in the return window please cancel/return

[frigid echo]

Sadly no it was from a friend who never used it

[earnest olive]

ah

well, at least you got it for the price it's worth

[frigid echo]

Lmao fair enough

[earnest olive]

actually going to recommend switching back to ryzen with that ram

unless you want to do manual ram tuning

not recommended to run 3600 xmp with 12th gen non-K

let me find a suitable board one sec

[frigid echo]

Ok

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dR2n6D

you could go slightly cheaper on the board but this board gives you a smooth upgrade path to 5800x3d if you want that as a option

can swap in the same 6750xt from before if you don't mind raising the price to 730

[frigid echo]

Oh wait also does the board how wifi built in? as it stands I do not have access to ethernet

[mossy venture]

Also if open to it, can get better price and perf with tiktok shop

Parts are sold by wegg on through tiktok

5600 is I think $95 and b550m aorus elite is $50

[earnest olive]

5.7% higher performance for 4.3% higher price, your call either choice is valid

[earnest olive]

no

one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lc2n6D this board works if wifi 5 is good enough for you

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bqgBL if you want wifi 6e just toss in an add-in card into a cheaper board

[earnest olive]

and yeah you can investigate this as well

[frigid echo]

Ok thank you very much!

[earnest olive]

np

[south cliff]

Alright i will prob get those fans on the 18th becasue thats when i get paid👍

hope they will look nice

[minor cypress]

I have a question for anyone that might have an answer for me

I have this PSU that I’m not sure how many pins it is so I can determine what version of Lian li cables to buy

Here are some pics of the PSU I’m waiting for to come in the mail. And then a pic of the details of it if that helps

[potent portal]

The strimers? What GPU

[minor cypress]

The GPU I know which ones to buy for. The others go into the PSU yeah? 🤔

If so I need to know which ones, I’m assuming the 24 pin?

[potent portal]

I mean which model GPU so I can tell you which and how many PCIe cables you'll need

[minor cypress]

I have the 7900 xtx Taichi which is the 8x3 pin I believe

[potent portal]

Yep so you'll need 3 of the 8 pin strimers and the 24 pin

[minor cypress]

Thank you @potent portal you the real mvp

[potent portal]

Happy to help

v1 and v2 strimer doesn't make any real difference too btw

[minor cypress]

Anyone have any recommendations on a good white RGB Keyboard and mouse? I’m not trying to be a pro gamer lol, just looking for a decent kboard and mouse with nice RGB aesthetics

[mossy venture]

Mouse is a lot of personal preference, but kone pro air fits the bill

Depends on hand size, grip, and weight preferences though

Orochi v2 is also nice

[minor cypress]

@mossy venture thank you I’ll take a look ☺️

[manic cloak]

So if a board has wifi on it alr, is there a way to upgrade it or do I just have to buy a wifi card?

[potent portal]

Depends on the motherboard

Some are removeable, others aren't

[manic cloak]

B560 ud ax

Ac*

Also @gleaming saddle I’m getting the driver issues again

[lone flame]

xfx 6950xt

[manic cloak]

Did it start for you too?

[lone flame]

did you ping the wrong gavin

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[manic cloak]

Bruh

I pinged your name

By like the selection it gave me

[lone flame]

if i have driver issues

again

im gonna delete

my pc

why whats going on w/ you

[manic cloak]

Just the pa-300 one

It’s cause of the recent windows update

[potent portal]

dis? https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560-AORUS-PRO-AX-rev-10#kf

[manic cloak]

Amd patches -> window update breaks it

[obsidian wigeon]

don't run the latest driver

[manic cloak]

No

[manic cloak]

Ik

[obsidian wigeon]

that's the solution atm

[lone flame]

i've turned off all my updates

[manic cloak]

Just for windows on though

Amd drivers usually fix it

[potent portal]

ds3h?

[lone flame]

this is what im on

i havent updated in months im scared to

[obsidian wigeon]

ud isn't aorus pro im sure

[manic cloak]

Yup my fault https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B560-DS3H-AC-rev-10#kf

[obsidian wigeon]

oh it's a ds3h

[manic cloak]

It has ud on it

That’s why I thought it was ud ac lol

[lone flame]

does anyone have a favorite looking aib card

idk if im weird for being obessed with this

[potent portal]

That looks upgradeable

[lone flame]

also i just realized the 6650 XT is a thing?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[lone flame]

i know they did a 6950, 6750, i didnt know about the 6650

[obsidian wigeon]

just like 6750xt is a thing

they're refreshes

[potent portal]

6650 XT has been a great deal lately, same price as 6600 non xt

[lone flame]

ha

take that

10% faster

[obsidian wigeon]

anything lower than 6950xt that uses 50xt name is a refresh

6700xt costs more than 10% more tho

[mossy venture]

7600 has replaced it, if it's still down to $220 or so

[obsidian wigeon]

not proportional increase

[lone flame]

shh

[mossy venture]

Pretty sure it's still $200 on tiktok shop after coupon, but thats not an option for everyone

[lone flame]

6950 XT should of gotten more than 16 vram

[mossy venture]

Why

[lone flame]

would of been a more worthwhile increase

isnt the only difference

memory speed

from the 6900

[potent portal]

Ye 6650 is still $220 for mech 2x, 7600 is $250

[mossy venture]

6950xt is like 2% better than an xtxh 6900xt, but for a good while the 6950xt was cheaper than the 6900xt

It moreso replaced the 6900xt than was a higher tier card

It wouldn't use the extra vram 99% of the time too, afaik no game uses beyond 12 atm

[potent portal]

They used different memory on the 6950 that ran higher clocks (instead of being an overclock) so you could still oc the 6950 memory even higher

Otherwise it was basically the same as a high tier 6900 xt

[lone flame]

so what was the point

of making a "new" gpu

oh wait

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-money-squidward-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-vacuuming-money-gif-25761430

lol

[potent portal]

The point was AMD had to make a refresh since Nvidia made the 3090 ti

[lone flame]

did the TI actually have a difference over the normal 3090

im very unfamilar with the 30 series

[potent portal]

It was a fair bit more difference https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4524vs4284/GeForce-RTX-3090-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-3090

[lone flame]

im so glad i wasnt interested in pcs that much like 2-3 years ago

those prices are crazy

[potent portal]

Yeah no one cared about the 3090 ti

[cyan ravine]

3090 Ti became irrelevant so fast

6900xt ocf and 6950 basically have always been relevant

Stamped that dumb nvidia idea out of existence

[potent portal]

$2000 for a GPU launched at the end of eth mining

[cyan ravine]

Fal

[mossy venture]

Why ubm

[cyan ravine]

Help

I need an adult

This 13900KS is supposedly worth 1600$ cos of silicon lottery

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-spit-drink-what-omg-how-i-met-your-mother-gif-7618939

[mossy venture]

I'll give you $2 and a paperclip

[cyan ravine]

I'm not here to brag btw

[lone flame]

ive heard that silicon term before, is that just just how production happens

[cyan ravine]

I'm reeling

[potent portal]

The power of binning compels you to sell it and upgrade to 14900k

[cyan ravine]

Trying to accept this scenario

[lone flame]

like some get made better than others?

[mossy venture]

There's a margin of "error" where some cpus have better silicon than others

Some can have worse silicon than average

[lone flame]

i figured it was something like that

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much, they all work to a range of tolerance, the really high quality ones sell for more than they're worth (this one apparently)

[mossy venture]

Better silicon ocs better

[lone flame]

how much would it normally be worth

[mossy venture]

Bc they oc better ocing enthusiasts and people who care about every single possible frame pay a lot for

[potent portal]

Every piece of silicon will have an acceptable number of defects. Ones with less defects can typically get higher clock speeds at lower voltages, and vice versa. Silicon lottery refers to the luck of the draw if you get a good one or not.

[lone flame]

those people are wild to me

[cyan ravine]

Below msrp second hand

[mossy venture]

Eh. Some people make a lot of money of ocing, like some YouTubers for example

[lone flame]

again I figured, idk why i struggled so much to put it into words lol

[cyan ravine]

I was literally gonna sell it for a used price

Now idk wtf to do

[potent portal]

Sell it to forks

He's got a spare 2 grand lying around right?

[cyan ravine]

Would he buy tho

Seby?

[lone flame]

i love watching you guys bounce between channels trying to help all these people

[cyan ravine]

I'm tryna help myself today 😂😂😂

[lone flame]

i wish i could lol, pcs confuse me

[cyan ravine]

I'm in a panic

[lone flame]

thats unlike you from what ive seen lol

you seemed to know like every question i asked

good luck trying to sell that thing though if it really is worth that much

im sure someones gotta be interested

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tigger-bouncing-dancing-dancing-tiger-dance-gif-18325898

[vague oracle]

Send it to me 🙂

[cyan ravine]

If you pay me enough sure

[vague oracle]

How does $3.50 sound?

[cyan ravine]

Terrible, I love u

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/three-fitty-gif-1684909778489327763

[jagged ember]

Noo faze won 7-0

oh wrong chat

[vague oracle]

I’ll test my LN2 pot on it

[teal dome]

Decided to stay up, took me 2 hours to download the app it’s only 4gb, I’m happy with the score, double my last setup

[potent portal]

Respectable

Seems to be working well

[teal dome]

Yeah

CPU bottleneck tho. 😭

[potent portal]

That's not what that score means

It's a totally different test

If you had a CPU bottleneck your GPU score would be below average, yours is right on the curve

For comparison, my overclocked 5800X gets 13k points. Stock score is a little over 11.2k. Considering I have 2 more cores than you and a higher base clock, at stock I'd expect 8k points from that processor on liquid cooling. You're right where you're supposed to be.

[teal dome]

Alright

Hope it runs the game so want it to run at good fps ngl

[potent portal]

Which game

[teal dome]

Warzone, Fortnite, siege, league, valo, Minecraft and other games which I’ll play when I fully build it, single player like metro last light

Overwatch

[potent portal]

All of those are easy

You'll have a good time on this system

[teal dome]

Even warzone?

[potent portal]

Well, warzone is the least easy from a GPU standpoint but the 6700 XT is no slouch

[teal dome]

I heard it’s hard to run

[teal dome]

True 6700xt goes hard

[potent portal]

CoD ❤️ AMD

[teal dome]

Nice, I wonder how much fps I’ll get in fort, can’t wait to play with friends again

Will I be able to run in epic setting?

Highest settings

[potent portal]

Doesn't that enable ray tracing? No competitive player is running at that preset

[teal dome]

I have no clue, prob does

Never tried it cuz my dumb laptop can’t run lowest performance settings

[teal dome]

Maybe high settings

[potent portal]

1080p or 1440p

[teal dome]

1080p I’m too broke to afford 1440p monitors

I really hope my refurb doesn’t come with dead pixels

[potent portal]

1080p epic you're looking at 40-45 fps

And yes that's because it enables RT

[teal dome]

What about high?

[teal dome]

Oh ok, where do I check?

[potent portal]

RT high 75-80

[teal dome]

What about no rt?

Is there a way to turn off rt

[potent portal]

Epic no RT 120-130

[teal dome]

Damn nice

Crazy fps

I think low around 200-400

6700xt is a beast

Budget baller

[teal dome]

What’s your gpu?

[potent portal]

3080 ti

[teal dome]

Damn, new or used

[potent portal]

My system is in my bio

I got it new. Waited in line at a best buy during the shortage.

Only way to get a high end GPU for under 2k at that time

[teal dome]

1200 is crazy

What is it now?

800-700?

[potent portal]

$500 used

[teal dome]

Also that’s a lot of storage damn

[teal dome]

Ong??

No way that’s so low

[potent portal]

I have more storage in my server too lol, totals out at 14TB

And it's mostly full

[teal dome]

What you hiding

[potent portal]

I rip movies to play on plex

[teal dome]

I can never fill my 1tb, I have no life

[teal dome]

The pirater

XD

[potent portal]

No I rip DVD and Blu Ray

[teal dome]

Also doesn’t my motherboard come with 2 m.2 slots or am I tripping

[potent portal]

I own my collection lol

Yes it does

[teal dome]

What’s your favourite?

[potent portal]

One slot is under the GPU

[teal dome]

Where do I find the other one?

[teal dome]

I used that one for the solidigm, wheres the other?

[potent portal]

Above the GPU

[teal dome]

Huh?

Above?

[earnest olive]

imagine not having 60 tb of rare orange mushroom nfts

[teal dome]

Priorities = straight

[teal dome]

Ok phew good thing I used the top slot, I got pcie 4

I need to buy another ssd for bottom slot cuz I’m sure imma use all my storage lol

Also is it fine to use hard drives for storage of games?

[potent portal]

Yeah totally

Especially older games, indie games, anything that doesn't need instant load times

[teal dome]

Alright

I need to buy black ops, I never played zombies before

[potent portal]

The only things that should be on SSDs are typically open world games and games with no loading screens

[teal dome]

Oh alright

Do you suggest getting a ssd or HDD?

What’s a 1 tb HDD cost

[potent portal]

SSDs are so cheap these days it's hard to not recommend them

[teal dome]

Yeah hdd are around 25 while 1tb ssd is 30

[potent portal]

About the same as a 1TB SSD

yeah

[teal dome]

So yeah there’s so point getting a hdd

[potent portal]

Not one that small at least

[teal dome]

Unless you need 25tb of storage 💀💀

[teal dome]

I have a portable HDD

Will it work?

It’s a Toshiba Camio

[potent portal]

Probably

[teal dome]

Also huge question, I have most of my games in my laptop

I have a hdd, can I take stuff from my laptop storage and move them to hdd?

And use the same files to play on my new computer?

I really don’t wanna redownload all the stuff

Gonna take me 100 yrs

[potent portal]

4TB is about the point where SSDs get more expensive and it's worth getting HDD

[teal dome]

Yeah if you want more storage go for HDD

Like even launchers Like steam and epic games

[potent portal]

Steam games, no problem. It's pretty much copy/paste, and tell it where you copied.
Other launchers, you might need to trick them.

[teal dome]

Yeah idk what to do about the other ones

Like league and epic games and even battle net

Any way?

[potent portal]

League I know is easy, what you do is install the launcher, tell it to download, quit launcher, copy files, (overwrite), run launcher and tell it to verify

[teal dome]

I have the launcher and game

So like redownload league again?

[potent portal]

Just the launcher

Then when the launcher tries to download the game, stop it

[teal dome]

Hmm

Alright I’ll try tmr

Thanks falcie

I go sleep now it’s like 2 am

Gn

[potent portal]

g'night

[teal dome]

Where do I put the argb input and the sata it came with?

@mossy venture @potent portal

[potent portal]

SATA connector goes to power supply

[teal dome]

Also this thing

[potent portal]

Argb goes to motherboard header

[teal dome]

Which socket

[potent portal]

That's for rpm control on the fan hub, plug it into a fan header

[potent portal]

Which motherboard again?

Scrolling on phone sux

[teal dome]

Fan headed?

[teal dome]

Aorus b550m elite

[potent portal]

RGB - yellow
Fan header - green

[teal dome]

The white one into the green one?

[potent portal]

Yes

[teal dome]

But there’s only 3 on the white one

And 4 on the green part

[potent portal]

Yes

The 4th pin is optional

[teal dome]

Ok

@potent portal I don’t think my case came with reset sw cord

Nvm

Also how do I plug in the sata

Is the gpu in right?

[little osprey]

From what I can see yeah

As long as the clip thing on the PCIe slot clicked it should be good

[teal dome]

Alright

Also

How do I plug in sata cable

Which cable of the psu

Not posting tho

Why isn’t it posting 😭😭

[little osprey]

Is your monitor plugged into the motherboard or GPU?

[teal dome]

NVM IT WORKSSS

LETS GOOOOO

I PUT THE CABLE IN MOTHERBOARD LOL

No problem?

What about these cables

[little osprey]

Looks alright from what I can see

[teal dome]

Ok thanks

[manic cloak]

Apparently 14th gens are out

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[manic cloak]

Apparently 5% better than the 13600k cause of .200mhz clock speed boost and + .100mhz for efficiency cores? What is this, nivida?

[obsidian wigeon]

It's just a refresh

Nothing we were supposed to get

15th gen is where things get spicy

[manic cloak]

Ah

[potent portal]

"15th gen" which will be restarting with the core ultra naming scheme

[obsidian wigeon]

lol yeah

core ultra

the ever confusing

[cyan ravine]

Av1 encode

[potent portal]

So, for instance, a 13th Gen Intel Core i5-13600K will become an Intel Core 5 processor 13600K. These changes will take effect starting with the Meteor Lake line and will apply to all releases going forward.

[little osprey]

Uhhh

That doesn't change anything

[potent portal]

Intel marketing team, seeing AMD's confusing naming: "Hold my beer"

[little osprey]

My uhhh

Ryzen 3

Is better than your

i3

Loser

[obsidian wigeon]

Core won't have K skus tho

Core Ultra does

[potent portal]

The problem is there's going to also be a change in the rest of the naming, so we'll have the Intel Core 9 processor 1900, and also the Intel Core 9 Ultra Processor 1900

[obsidian wigeon]

Unless Intel wants to make it a mess

Watch me call it C9 and CU9

wtf does Ultra even mean anyway

[potent portal]

It means marketing team gets to define it

[obsidian wigeon]

Intel better make them have distinction

true

[potent portal]

And yes, "processor" is actually part of the official naming. Don't ask why

I guess they wanted to make them "ultra processors"

Which makes it sound like it processes ultra

[lyric thistle]

I don't want to process ultra

[potent portal]

Then buy AMD ig

[cyan ravine]

i9 to c9

i5 to c5

[mossy venture]

Intel just wants their names to sound fancier than amds since they're about to have their ass handed them with 14th gen vs 7000x3d and 8000 series

[cyan ravine]

Shaddup Intel

They're about to confuse tf out their current client base

Everyone like "I want an i7"

[mossy venture]

^^^

[cyan ravine]

"those don't exist anymore"

[mossy venture]

They make so much money based off their current branding

[cyan ravine]

[mossy venture]

Because people know the different i_ names, historically i7s have been best for gaming

[cyan ravine]

Yes

There's a long long paper trail there

[mossy venture]

Now that they're kinda pointless over the i5s for gaming, they're just screwing themselves outta the people buying the i7 because it's an i7

[potent portal]

It's been their brand for 15 years

[cyan ravine]

From i for intelligent

To c for cu-

[potent portal]

Copper?

I'd have gone with crap

[cyan ravine]

No I was thinking more of a certain Australian profanity

[potent portal]

I figured that out after the edit

[cyan ravine]

[teal dome]

Can I leave my pc on overnight downloading stuff?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

If I didn't help you build a pc that I felt could survive some of the most stupid conditions I probably wouldn't be a techie

Nor fal

Nor bacca (deserves techie)

[rustic linden]

should i buy a 6950xt or a 7800xt?

[mossy venture]

Depends on price diff

[rustic linden]

6950 is a bit more expensive

why are they like almost the same thing?

[cyan ravine]

6950xt is worth a little more

[mossy venture]

By how much

[cyan ravine]

7800xt = 6800xt + a little

6950XT is like, 6800xt + 20%

[mossy venture]

If you're in the us, 7800xt can be had as low as $470 with newegg through tiktok shop, $500 not on tiktok shop

[cyan ravine]

Probably less like 15%?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mHpQzy/gigabyte-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-gv-r78xtgaming-oc-16gd

[cyan ravine]

So if the 6950 is worth like, 10-15% more than 7800xt max? Then it's kinda worth

So take 470$ and add 15% of that to it

[mossy venture]

Or sapphire pulse I think it is on tiktok shop that's $500, and then new user or other coupon

[rustic linden]

6950 is like $100 more

[cyan ravine]

Yeah not for 100 more

[mossy venture]

I'd take the 7800xt personally, I'm assuming $500 vs 515 or thereabouts

[cyan ravine]

50 more? Worth

[mossy venture]

^

[cyan ravine]

6950 for 530 kinda great

Not 600

6900 for 500 def worth though if you see one

[mossy venture]

7700xt price still stagnant even though it's sales are awful

Sadge

If it dropped to ~$400 it'd be pretty decent

[cyan ravine]

$375 or less imo

[rustic linden]

which one is better bc they have the same specs idc abt price

[cyan ravine]

$350-ish now 7800xt is 470

[cyan ravine]

The cheapest

[rustic linden]

idc about price

[cyan ravine]

I know

But the cheapest

They're all the same underneath

[rustic linden]

ok

[mossy venture]

If you don't care about price then get a 7900xtx

Best priced gpu rn

[cyan ravine]

i.e more spent is basically no better

For same gpu

[rustic linden]

im just talking about 7800 and 6950

[mossy venture]

Also, are you just upgrading gpu?

Or making a whole new pc

[rustic linden]

just wondering if they have the same performance

whole new pc

putting a 7800x3d in it

[cyan ravine]

6950 is better but not $100 better

[mossy venture]

What's your total budget?

[cyan ravine]

Go 7800xt

[rustic linden]

like 1600

[mossy venture]

$1600 or under gets you a full 7600 and 7900xtx build

Usd?

[rustic linden]

i wanna go amd and radeon based on cheaper prices

[rustic linden]

ya

[mossy venture]

Do you mind if I make you a quick list?

[rustic linden]

yea sure

[mossy venture]

Would just need to ask a few questions first

[rustic linden]

im always open for discussion

alr

[mossy venture]

Do you care about aesthetics?

[rustic linden]

no

just want rgb case fans

[mossy venture]

Also size preferences for tower, and storage needs?

[rustic linden]

micro atx or atx doesnt rlly matter to me

[mossy venture]

what's the pc being used for?

[rustic linden]

2tb storage

[mossy venture]

And last one do you need wifi?

[rustic linden]

high quality gaming like rust and other heavy cpu usage games and streaming

[rustic linden]

i have ethernet

[mossy venture]

Do you alr have a monitor?

[rustic linden]

yes

[mossy venture]

Sorry I forgot one more

What resolution?

[rustic linden]

1080p

[mossy venture]

Ah

Would you be open to a monitor upgrade? At this budget 1080p doesn't make much sense

[rustic linden]

yea sure

looking for 244hz tho

[mossy venture]

Alright, few min

[rustic linden]

alr

[weak flint]

I'm not sure rn but maybe even a 7800x3d

[rustic linden]

thats what im planning on buying

[rustic linden]

i also want am5 btw

[mossy venture]

7800x3d not worth for your budget, 7600 is a good bit less and the gpus you'd be looking at in this budget won't max out a 7600, let alone a 7800x3d

The mobo I'm adding though you'd be fine to run a next gen x3d cpu on

[rustic linden]

alr

i just want the x3d cause of the cpu heavy games i play

[mossy venture]

Was trying to find a way to fit 7900xt in $1600 after 240hz 1440p monitor but idt I can

[rustic linden]

you can take the monitor out

[weak flint]

huh thought 7900xtx/7660 is around 1.4k

[rustic linden]

if needed

[mossy venture]

Was what I first came up with, but I'm gonna make a cheaper one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kGmZJy

Ye that's an option, can always upgrade monitor down the line

I would recc it as soon as you could though, 1080p on this tier of gpus is like buying a Lamborghini for a golf course

[rustic linden]

can i also suggest a sama case or smth that case rgb fans on front

[teal dome]

I just leave it there and what about display settings? Keep them on never or keep them lower?

[mossy venture]

Oh ye I meant to add a 3 pack of c12c rgb fans, mb

[rustic linden]

i want to be able to see the fans

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811197027?Item=N82E16811197027

smth like this

but whatever is compatible atx/matx wise

[mossy venture]

Alr one sec

[cyan ravine]

Maybe turn off sleep if you want the download to keep going

[mossy venture]

So with 7800x3d https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xd8289

[teal dome]

Like go to power?

[mossy venture]

And with 7600+7900xtx https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mc6bL9

But id say look at benchmarks in the games you play between those two setups

[teal dome]

Is that good?

[rustic linden]

alr

is a 750w psu powerful enough?

[mossy venture]

Also could switch ssd to a60 or mp33, all three are very similar in performance

Yeah, you could run a 4090 with that one

Could swap it to the 850 of that model though

[rustic linden]

damn fr?

[mossy venture]

Or if you want a very nice model, 850w xpg core reactor

[rustic linden]

damn i didnt know that

[mossy venture]

The gx pro is a decent B tier, xpg core reactor is a very nice A tier

A tier is the highest quality psus get

[manic cloak]

bacca just got my p41

[mossy venture]

W

[manic cloak]

it's so hot (idk what im saying anymore)

ngl though

it looks tinier than my m.2's

I might be crazy but who knows

[mossy venture]

I still need to buy m.2 standoffs and screws

[mossy venture]

I haven't checked I'll have to compare it

[manic cloak]

don't they come w the motherboard?

[mossy venture]

Yeah but I'm stupid and dk where I put them

I had found a standoff and then lost it

[manic cloak]

💀

imagine not having the built in ones

[mossy venture]

I think with the p41 I could technichally go all nvme storage

Wouldn't even need my sata one, I barely use 1.5tb as is

3.5tb nvme I have will be more than fine

[manic cloak]

I just play minecraft on my computer 😭

[mossy venture]

Lmao

[manic cloak]

I wanted to play apex but the data thing, overwatch died out for me, rust on 1440p is hell

plus I have nobody to play w :(

[mossy venture]

Also if you have any questions or want to change anything, feel free to ping me

I'm always happy to give info and pros/cons, I understand having personal preferences to a certain extent

[rustic linden]

yes, can i get a black mobo im gonna go with a darker theme

[mossy venture]

Yeah definitely, one sec I'll grab a couple options

This is nice but not completely dark https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dq4Zxr/asrock-b650m-hdvm2-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-hdvm2

[rustic linden]

alr ty

[mossy venture]

If you dont like the look of that one either lmk

[rustic linden]

i like it

[mossy venture]

There's also a good few other case options, if you don't like the 903 max

[rustic linden]

ya i dont rlly like that one

[mossy venture]

Kk one sec

Though also lemme show you what the g300a looks with rgb fans in the front

[rustic linden]

k

[mossy venture]

Kinda similar to this but the rgb is a cleaner look https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NYNYcf/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-3-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk02

C12cs are different colors, and can control them if I'm not wrong

Felix would know if you can or not

But that'd be this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6pBzK8/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-1-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk01
With these fans https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

This is also really nice, another phanteks case https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk
Aside from that basically any $80 fractal design case with a mesh front

[rustic linden]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811197027?Item=N82E16811197027 you think something like this would have enough airflow cause i really enjoy building with this cse

[mossy venture]

3000d airflow as well is fine

Yeah that case is fine, it's not as good but mesh front at least

As long as it's got a mesh front it's hard to not be decent

[rustic linden]

ya imma go with the sama one because its cheap and my fav case to build in rn

[mossy venture]

Sounds good, just make sure it fits the gpus

Just gotta check gpu clearance and gpu length

It says max gpu length is 345mm

Cooler height is 160mm

In the 7800x3d list the cooler would be 5mm from touching the side panel

Which is fine, just a lil close

The xtx is 344mm, would just barely fit lol

[rustic linden]

oh damn