building-and-recc-chat

[plucky timber]

Cpu?

[sacred gale]

Mohney.

[teal dome]

You should be chilling if you play valo

[sacred gale]

I have a part picker list give me just a second

[plucky timber]

gpu utilisation doesn't show the whole picture

[obsidian wigeon]

i prefer seeing my gpu maxed out than doing nothing tbh

otherwise it shows cpu bottleneck

[plucky timber]

kinda opposite here

[sacred gale]

i play more than just valo lol

[plucky timber]

Cuz laptop

Thing sucks power

[obsidian wigeon]

i use laptop too, you know that

just has it plugged in all day

[teal dome]

My fault but I’m pretty sure 3080 should be able to run most things

[plucky timber]

To be fair my games are mostly cpu bound

So that's more of a reason

[obsidian wigeon]

ye lol

[plucky timber]

Have you compared your 3080 with other 3080s?

[teal dome]

What are some games that are cpu based

[plucky timber]

Such as online benchmarks

[obsidian wigeon]

3080 would still be a nice jump from what i have rn

[plucky timber]

Literally any paradox game

I have a 3070 but my games barely use it

[teal dome]

Like what?

I’m dense idk what are paradox games

[plucky timber]

cities skylines

Hearts of iron iv

[teal dome]

Goofy building games?

Sims?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[plucky timber]

Not entirely

But they're not exactly gpu heavy

Hammers my ram and cpu way more than my gpu

[teal dome]

32gb>

I think 32gb is overkill

[plucky timber]

I heavily disagree

Especially on a 3070 laptop

I've had Far Cry 5 use up 16GB of ram

[cyan ravine]

Far cry is a funny one

[sacred gale]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hXhcbL sorry that took so long i lost the list and had to make a new one

[cyan ravine]

But yes 16gb isn't overkill

Tarkov uses up to 24 iirc

[plucky timber]

^

[cyan ravine]

Plenty of games and basic utility can go well over 16

[teal dome]

I wish there was 24gigs or some

[plucky timber]

32GB would be overkill if it was 2016

[teal dome]

The sweet spot

[plucky timber]

You can have 24GB

3x 8GB

[cyan ravine]

You can still use 16, it's just, a very lite™ experience

[plucky timber]

16GB is fine for lower settings

[cyan ravine]

Did you update your ssd's with samsung magician yet

[teal dome]

Isn’t it not as good tho?

[plucky timber]

No?

At least for DDR4

[sacred gale]

well games like usually set my graphics to near max but if i play too long like that my pc just restarts, its not temps because i have seen it died at like 30f before

[teal dome]

But it costs more than 32 gigs because like you gotta buy 16 and 8

[plucky timber]

I mean

[teal dome]

I barely see 8 gigs anymore

[cyan ravine]

No point to 24

[plucky timber]

If you get a 16gb stick and a 8gb stick then 8gb of it is gonna run in single channel

[teal dome]

I wish 4x6 existed ong

[plucky timber]

That's why you don't mismatch capacities

[cyan ravine]

@sacred gale did you update your ssd firmware

[teal dome]

It’s a sweet spot tho 😢

[plucky timber]

3x 8gb will still run in dual channel

[teal dome]

How

How does Channels work?

[cyan ravine]

Money-wise/availability-wise? Not really

[plucky timber]

^

It's simply more practical for the ram manufacturers to sell 2x 16gb kits

[sacred gale]

i dont belive ive messed with that since building it, where would i go?

[teal dome]

I guess so

[plucky timber]

32GB is not overkill at all

Nothing wrong with having more ram

[teal dome]

What would use 32gigs

[cyan ravine]

Ok, glad I asked. Samsung has had a scandal where those have been bricking themselves and they won't honor a warranty for it

[plucky timber]

Any game with mods

[teal dome]

Unless you have 2+ chrome tabs

(Sarcasm)

[cyan ravine]

Go download samsung magician and update the firmware with it @sacred gale

[teal dome]

Does ram or ssd need updates or naw?

[cyan ravine]

As for your build...

You should be fine at 1440p

[teal dome]

I guess so but that’s specific as hell

[cyan ravine]

Certain games might be a little vram hurt

[plucky timber]

Not really

[cyan ravine]

But you should be getting full 100% gpu utility

[plucky timber]

There's a lot of games that's moddable

[cyan ravine]

Depending on the game you'll get cpu bottlenecked which will hold it back

But for the tl;dr you should be fine

Even at 1080p somewhat

[teal dome]

Felix are you not in americas?

[cyan ravine]

No

[sacred gale]

ive only build 2 pcs so i may have been scared to make my utli 100 does it not matter that much?

[teal dome]

All I know is Minecraft

[plucky timber]

https://tenor.com/view/australia-flag-gif-gif-27458159

[sacred gale]

im not really looking at 1440 though, preferably id like to play at 4k

[plucky timber]

That is a very good example

[cyan ravine]

It will util 100% whether you like it or not

Lol

[plucky timber]

If you've played a modpack

You know that you need a lot of ram

[cyan ravine]

4K is a hard ask for a 3080 in 2023

It's kinda doable? Like 30-60 fps

Would definitely recommend against it

[sacred gale]

this makes me sad

[plucky timber]

Here's the thing tho

[cyan ravine]

Hey man, I used a 3080 for years

[teal dome]

I never played Minecraft before

[sacred gale]

well yeah im not epxecting 100 fps or anything my moniter for now only does 60

[cyan ravine]

I know

[plucky timber]

If Far Cry 5 could use more than 16GB of ram

It's probably a good idea to have the headroom

[cyan ravine]

I'd suggest 1440p for a quality 144hz experience

[teal dome]

Get a new monitor first before anything honestly

[cyan ravine]

Especially on a 27"-32" monitor

1440p is pretty sufficient

[teal dome]

True

I might go for 32 Gb then

[plucky timber]

Meanwhile I'm using a 3070 on 1080p

[teal dome]

I hope my computer last me 5 years

[sacred gale]

it might be time to upgrade then

[teal dome]

I mean it is a laptop

[sacred gale]

4090 it is

recomended brand?

[teal dome]

Get 4090 hof now

[cyan ravine]

The cheapest

Please don't buy strix

It's expensive for no benefit

[teal dome]

Strix looks cool tho 🦸

[cyan ravine]

If you want a white 4090, get a suprim

Cheaper and as good

[teal dome]

What about galax?

[plucky timber]

Thermaltake smart rgb looks cool

[cyan ravine]

If not better

[cyan ravine]

I mean all 4090's are fine

[teal dome]

Do you have a 4090?

[cyan ravine]

Just avoid the bad eggs like gamerock with sub-par staging

Yes I do

[teal dome]

Wow

[sacred gale]

i have samsung magician now where am i going?

[teal dome]

What’s your build?

[cyan ravine]

I forget where in there but look for updates

You want it to update to remove the bit-flip error that turns your windows into a read-only drive

Thus bricking it

[teal dome]

What’s a good laptop for college? Cheap as possible

[cyan ravine]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166360782876

[cyan ravine]

7950x3d/4090

[teal dome]

Don’t need a gaming one honestly

[teal dome]

Why not the 13900ks?

[cyan ravine]

I'm not recommending cos it's gaming

[sacred gale]

i see the tab it already auto updated as i can see, do you do the performance optimization?

[teal dome]

It is huge and I don’t wanna carry it

[cyan ravine]

I'm recommending cos it's a do all laptop for 558

It's

LOL

That laptop is light af

Get bigger shoulders

[cyan ravine]

I have one

I was disappointed

[cyan ravine]

As long as it's updated everything then good

Make double sure of it

Cos samsung won't replace your drive

[sacred gale]

@cyan ravine what case do you have if you dont mind me asking?

[cyan ravine]

O11 evo inverted

[sacred gale]

i do apreciate it

[cyan ravine]

Meh, I'm on the fence tbh

Were it not so easy to work with I'd have a fractal by now

[teal dome]

Why so

[cyan ravine]

My 13900KF gave the same results

[teal dome]

Overclcok?

[sacred gale]

I am pretty based about aesthetics so i might swap cases but i do also have the evo.

[teal dome]

Get y90 or some

[cyan ravine]

Whole reason you buy intel K so yes lol

[cyan ravine]

Keep it, functionally it's hard to beat

[teal dome]

With the overclock? You got the same results?

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

[teal dome]

Damn

[cyan ravine]

KS had 4.7 e cores to KF 4.6

That's it really

KF has better memory OC

[sacred gale]

could i see your fan config and gpu is you have it vertical or not?

[cyan ravine]

It's vertical

Uh,

Pic

One sec

[teal dome]

Why is vertical mounting so expensive 😢

[sacred gale]

cheers

[mossy venture]

With code ARMPPS this is $343 https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-15-laptop/spd/inspiron-15-3520-laptop/nn3520gmqch

[sacred gale]

cause it looks fabulous

[mossy venture]

Otherwise there's likely good priced refurbs on ebay

[teal dome]

Thanks fella

[cyan ravine]

Tidied it up a bit

[teal dome]

Need more aesthetics

[sacred gale]

Christ

[cyan ravine]

Nooo I took them out

I don't like RGB

[sacred gale]

we are not the same

[teal dome]

Why not?

White and rgb goes hard, I like that

[cyan ravine]

Cos p12 is life

[teal dome]

P12?

What that

[cyan ravine]

And I want to use a gene board

Gene is not white

Lol

[cyan ravine]

The fans

[teal dome]

Ah

Is water cooling hard?

To like make and manage?

Do you have to change liquids often?

[cyan ravine]

Old vid

[sacred gale]

opposite's are cool though

[cyan ravine]

Wouldn't recommend it for my life

My next new build will be all air

Servicing a loop is annoying

And I don't even have the issues of hard tubing

[plucky timber]

Fr

[cyan ravine]

Is it fast? Yes

Is it quiet? Yes

[plucky timber]

It's impractical imo

[cyan ravine]

Does it take days to clean? Yes

[plucky timber]

It's like having to maintain a fish tank

[cyan ravine]

Exactly

Meanwhile air cooler

Just dust it

[plucky timber]

AIOs even

[sacred gale]

performance is all the better though no?

[cyan ravine]

On an i9? Sure

[mossy venture]

Yeah this is why idt I'm ever going to try for a loop, that and it takes a lot of skill and I know it is not something I'm capable of

[cyan ravine]

On an i5? R9? No

[plucky timber]

lol

That's the issue i have with top end chips really

[mossy venture]

I dont even need an aio either, I don't think I'm ever going to be doing cpu focused loads, only gaming even in the future

[cyan ravine]

The day intel figures out how to get their power draw in order is the day I stop recommending any AIO

[plucky timber]

High energy consumption, produces a lot of heat, really expensive and will get outperform by a cheaper and more efficient chip within a few years

[cyan ravine]

That's not really my problem

Mine is more that it's just hilariously impractical

It's weird for me, I've become the kind of person that would be a die hard noctua fan

Except noctua died this year

Got outmoded by thermalright

[plucky timber]

Noctua's cool

But they're slacking

[cyan ravine]

So I'm a thermalright shill for noctua reasons

[plucky timber]

The D15 is pretty outdated

It's like the hyper 212 evo

Old coolers that's been outperformed by something better and probably cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Thermalright you can get the same results with a $35 PA120 and TL-B12's at $12 a fan as to a $100 D15 and A12x25's at $35 a fan

[plucky timber]

And with a smaller form factor

[cyan ravine]

Better results even

Yes and the tower is smaller

My next pc will be all air

[plucky timber]

The D15 was the king until it wasn't

[cyan ravine]

I enjoyed the water cooling life? But the honeymoon is long over for me

[plucky timber]

I like AIOs but

They're also a bit more annoying compared to air coolers

[cyan ravine]

I disagree

Aio's are nice to work with

[plucky timber]

But tbh it's more of a case problem

Than an aio issue really

[cyan ravine]

Kinda

[plucky timber]

I had to mount an aio in front because the top didn't have clearance

Killed the airflow

[cyan ravine]

Aio's are getting so good now that we are going beyond the need for 360mm

But I'm not interested in flushing an aio either

I just want a one and done thing

[plucky timber]

One thing i like about air coolers

[cyan ravine]

Fwiw btw you should flush an aio every few years

[plucky timber]

Remove the fans and you get a passive cooler

I underclocked and ran a 1500x passive before

Actually wasn't bad

So it's definitely possible to go full passive

Would be limited on hardware choices tho

[cyan ravine]

When current gen hit I learnt really fast about how cooling is definitely not to any presumption

Air cooling can be just as good, you just need it done well enough

Like I can do things like direct die or lap my cpu

Swap the fans for alphacool apexes

Etc etc

Make the pc dead quiet and get the results you want out of water looping

The only thing that stops me saying that for all cpus is the i9's really

i7K's also are a bit held back on air

But really just about nothing else

[obsidian wigeon]

let me interrupt you guys with

https://wccftech.com/amd-might-launch-radeon-rx-7600-xt-graphics-card-with-massive-16-gb-memory/

dis

[plucky timber]

Rumour

[obsidian wigeon]

4060ti be damned

[cyan ravine]

LMAO

Oh no

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah but if it's real imma be laughing

[cyan ravine]

PLEASE AMD PLEASE BE 330$

DON'T BE STUPID

[obsidian wigeon]

pls be 330

[cyan ravine]

DON'T CHARGE 450

[plucky timber]

Would be really funny if it was $330

[obsidian wigeon]

destroy 4060

[cyan ravine]

330 would be killer

Like

[obsidian wigeon]

4060 and 4060ti would have NO reason to exist

[cyan ravine]

Even if it had 12gb

Omg

I bet it's a 6700xt replacement

I'd stock money on that bet

[obsidian wigeon]

7900m is apparently 7900 gre in laptop

[cyan ravine]

WHAT

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah well 12 would be nice still, but it better be 330

ya

it uses that rdna 31 or something xl

ah, navi yeah

[cyan ravine]

Navi 31 xl

[obsidian wigeon]

navi 31 xl

ye

[cyan ravine]

Smallest die so yes 7900gre

Damn

That's like

The best laptop I could ever have

TUF SAND?

TUF SAND??

[obsidian wigeon]

tuf sand is 7600s exclusive rn tho

[mossy venture]

Yessssss

[obsidian wigeon]

highest variant of a15 is with 4070

[mossy venture]

I hope so, I think 6700xt has been their highest selling card

[obsidian wigeon]

im not sure if they would do a 7900m ver

[mossy venture]

Specifically because it's around the $300-330 area

[plucky timber]

They're just exploiting nvidia's price vacuum at this point

[cyan ravine]

7600xt eagle when

[plucky timber]

7600gx2

[mossy venture]

Wait also

[obsidian wigeon]

7900m is spicy tho

it's gre, same vram amount

16 gigs laptop gpu

[mossy venture]

7600xt will either be very close to 7600 perf, since 7600 is already the full die of whatever that die is named, or it'll be the 7700xt die

Which would likely mean it'd beat 3060ti/4060 ti

[plucky timber]

That would be really funny

[mossy venture]

I hope so

If its the former then I hope they release a 7700 around that price point

[cyan ravine]

7600 is full navi 33 iirc

[plucky timber]

It's funny how nvidia just don't care at this point

[cyan ravine]

So 7600xt will be navi 32 xl

[plucky timber]

And it's also funny how it works

[obsidian wigeon]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-latest-gpu-drivers-bring-5-to-119-fps-boost-in-a-new-set-of-popular-directx11-games

intel does it again

[plucky timber]

People still buy nvidia because of the brand

[obsidian wigeon]

their drivers are so messy

[plucky timber]

Radeon moment

[obsidian wigeon]

even after over one year

119 percent boost

man

these gpus aren't bad, just drivers are so terrible

[cyan ravine]

It's better this than nothing tho imo

[plucky timber]

Yeah we need more competition

[obsidian wigeon]

ofc

im not trashing intel

[plucky timber]

Intel will catch up sooner or later

[obsidian wigeon]

i want them to stick around

eagerly waiting for battlemage

[mossy venture]

It could just be a 7600 with slightly higher clock speeds and twice the vram though

[cyan ravine]

That's still not bad

[mossy venture]

Like 6650xt was just slightly higher clock speed 6600xt

[obsidian wigeon]

intel is finally launching the rest of the arc alchemist cards

a580 is out in japan

[mossy venture]

True, would just be better if it beats 4060 ti

[obsidian wigeon]

the collection is complete

[cyan ravine]

Ye

But navi 32 xl is up for grabs

[mossy venture]

Bc then nvidia is so far behind its not even funny

[cyan ravine]

And 7600xt could have it's name all over it

[mossy venture]

They'd have to drop prices hard on 4060/ti

[obsidian wigeon]

all nvidia will have is their name lmao if 7600xt comes at 330

absolutely murdered

[plucky timber]

I think they got their heads stuck inside piles of AI money

[mossy venture]

If its Navi 32, likely beating the 3070, $350-370 would still be fairly decent

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah nvidia is cashing in on ai bubble

hard

[cyan ravine]

It would be close to 3070 I think

Definitely a killshot

Actually I'm not sure if it could beat

I think 7700xt barely gets above a 3070

[plucky timber]

AI is a fad imo

I mean not AI in general

[obsidian wigeon]

if it's this perf, $330 is a need

don't make it 450

[plucky timber]

The current model of AI is a fad

[cyan ravine]

Anyway have fun lads I'm out

[plucky timber]

It's not really intelligent

They just make stuff up

[teal dome]

Bye out

[plucky timber]

It's like getting a 3rd grader to write an essay on Shakespeare

[teal dome]

Are the new intel cards any good?

[obsidian wigeon]

they're only for power users

[plucky timber]

Cards are fine

[obsidian wigeon]

aka people willing to mess with it

[plucky timber]

Drivers cripple them

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[teal dome]

I mean it’s only been a year

[obsidian wigeon]

over

[teal dome]

Since the intel cards been released

[teal dome]

Still pretty new

[obsidian wigeon]

arc launched back in late 2022

[plucky timber]

Intel's been in the gpu business for a while

[teal dome]

It’s been so long since nvidia and amd launched

Intel will get there

[plucky timber]

But never really dedicated consumer GPUs

So they're relatively inexperienced

[teal dome]

Hope nvidia leaves gpu and its just intel and amd

It might happen

[teal dome]

Yea

[plucky timber]

last time intel tried to make a gpu they made a compute card instead

[mossy venture]

That is never happening

[plucky timber]

why would nvidia leaving be good?

[teal dome]

I mean nvidia is going for company cards no?

[plucky timber]

that's just gonna remove the competition

[mossy venture]

Even if nvidia doesn't care about the gaming market they're still going to have their normal generation

[obsidian wigeon]

no

nvidia just goes for ai

[plucky timber]

even if nvidia releases mediocre cards

[obsidian wigeon]

they won't drop geforce, but their focus is on ai rn

[plucky timber]

they're still a competitor to AMD and Intel

if nvidia drops out then AMD will have an monopoly

considering intel's situation at the moment

[obsidian wigeon]

ye, and they do sell a bunch of geforce cards lol

[teal dome]

True I guess

Nvidia fanboys exist as well

Honestly nvidia is just more fine tuned imo

Better optimization with less bugs

Even intel chips

Amd is good but many bugs

[plucky timber]

everything fanboy exists

[obsidian wigeon]

That's false for radeon lol

Radeon drivers are rock solid now

[plucky timber]

and has been rock solid on linux for years 😉

[obsidian wigeon]

With some odd issues sometimes, but so does Nvidia

[plucky timber]

I mean

Radeon drivers aren't the joke

intel drivers are

[teal dome]

Idk man there are still many bugs with amd graphics

Haven’t heard much about nvidia tho

[teal dome]

Why so?

[plucky timber]

the drivers are holding the gpus back

[obsidian wigeon]

Intel igpu drivers are good

Arc is not the case

[stoic island]

Intel dgpu drivers are really bad

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

I wanna see them improve eventually

[plucky timber]

you can see performance patches that doubles the performance

[stoic island]

Multiple updates that increase performance by 20% each because of wacky implementations

[teal dome]

Imagine in the future ai will make chips with no human error

And there will be no bugs

[stoic island]

Absolute hell to debug

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[teal dome]

Nuh uh

[plucky timber]

here's the thing with AI

[teal dome]

Future ai will have its own mind

[plucky timber]

Despite intelligence being in their name

[teal dome]

[plucky timber]

they're not very intelligent

[obsidian wigeon]

AI only learns from existing data, with human error

They use human data

[teal dome]

Give it brain

[plucky timber]

that's in the realm of science fiction

[teal dome]

If there is a will there is a way

Ok I’ll stop now

[plucky timber]

yes it is possible

but not by today's technological standards

have you tried to talk to chatgpt

[stoic island]

If they make the most optimal chip, the yield would suck for us, because we can't achieve 100% yield, we have to cut it down when parts are broken, if we can't isolate what's broken, the entire chip is useless

[teal dome]

Chat gpt kinda bad now

Unless you have gpt 4

[plucky timber]

it's like talking to a toddler that thinks it's the smartest thing on the planet

doesn't really show much for AI

[stoic island]

Gpt4 doesn't solve that much, in some tests it regressed in performance even

[teal dome]

Also if there is no bugs or errors there will no improvement and it will be the best and nothing can beat it which would make it boring

[obsidian wigeon]

AI isn't some magic

[stoic island]

The problem is ideal vs reality

[plucky timber]

and ChatGPT's still not smart enough to fact check itself

[obsidian wigeon]

It's just using petabytes of data collected from humaans

[stoic island]

On paper 100% utilization sounds amazing

[plucky timber]

tell that to electrons

or cosmic radiation

[stoic island]

But in reality, if some random cosmic ray damaged 1 singular gate, it would make it useless if we can't debug and isolate it

[plucky timber]

or whatever is floating out in the universe

[stoic island]

We love cosmic rays bit flipping at random intervals

[teal dome]

I hope we can reach mars by our lifetime ong

First mars landing would be sick

[plucky timber]

we can

there's just not the will for it

as much as elon hypes it up

[stoic island]

Just a matter of who will put their money into it

[teal dome]

All of us dead by another 100 years

[plucky timber]

people don't really want to go to mars

[teal dome]

Kinda crazy to think about

[obsidian wigeon]

we're not dead in 100 years i bet

lol

[teal dome]

I mean us rn who’s living

[obsidian wigeon]

just the earth will be more harsh to live in

[teal dome]

There will be newer generations lol

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah that's true

[stoic island]

There's prob someone here that'll choose cryogenic freezing

[plucky timber]

I mean

[teal dome]

If you’re rich it’s a possibility

[plucky timber]

cryogenics kinda ehhh

[teal dome]

Idk if anyone’s rich enough here

[plucky timber]

Imo it's a psuedoscience

[teal dome]

Same

No way you can stop metabolism

I think that’s the word I forgot

[stoic island]

It's proven that you can freeze people just fine, it's completely unknown if you can unfreeze people without damage

[plucky timber]

yeah that's what I'm talking about

[obsidian wigeon]

im sure there's damage with unfreeze

[teal dome]

Fr?

[plucky timber]

humans are just too big and complex to unfreeze at once

[stoic island]

Well, every way of unfreezing something as large as a person tested so far have failed

[teal dome]

Just lay them in the sun until they unfreeze ong

[obsidian wigeon]

welp

[plucky timber]

what

you wanna burn them?

[obsidian wigeon]

then rip those people who chose cryogenic

[teal dome]

Oh wait I’m dumb

[obsidian wigeon]

they won't survive

[stoic island]

There's hundreds of people that used cryogenic freezing services right now that we can't save

Yet

[teal dome]

I forgor that body got used to extreme cold and can’t survive heat as much

[stoic island]

It's been a thing for years

[obsidian wigeon]

i hope there's a reliable and safe way to unfreeze

if not, yeah

[teal dome]

It will be soon

[stoic island]

All testing so far says anything as large as a human can't do it

[obsidian wigeon]

they're all gonna be left in there forever

[teal dome]

Nothing is impossible

[plucky timber]

well

an asteroid could hit the planet

so

[teal dome]

I mean it’s unlikely

Really depends tho

[plucky timber]

or global warming

or nukes

[teal dome]

Global warming and Nukes are the biggest things rn

We just gotta travel to mars

[plucky timber]

mars isn't a solution

[stoic island]

Tbh asteroid wouldn't be that unlikely in the grand scheme of things

Mars is just diversifying our portfolio

[plucky timber]

mars would not survive without earth

[teal dome]

I mean it’s more likely you’ll die to nukes and global warming then asteroids tho

[plucky timber]

I mean

you know how many planet killers are just floating out there in space?

[stoic island]

It'll take a long time and a lot of investment before it can be self sufficient

[teal dome]

Earth is still there you’re not complete destroying its core or anything

[plucky timber]

yeah lol

the surface is gone

[teal dome]

It’s just gonna be unlivable environments

[plucky timber]

then how are they going to get resupplied

if there's nothing to resupply mars

[teal dome]

Doesn’t Mars have water

[plucky timber]

mars would probably also have a growing population

if earth gets wiped out before they are entirely self sufficient

boom

[stoic island]

It'll just take a lot of time and investment to get food, water, and oxygen sources that are self sufficient on Mars

The main problem would be manufacturing replacement parts

[teal dome]

If we get to mars and be able to live there I’m pretty sure they will be self suffienst faster and better

[plucky timber]

If

It'll take years before they send the first colonist ship

or even decades

[stoic island]

Ofc

[plucky timber]

and getting off the planet is really expensive

at the moment it's just not economical

[stoic island]

It'll be on the timescale of decades

[plucky timber]

there is currently no economic incentive to go to outer space

there are a lot of precious metals in space yes

but it's gonna outweigh the cost of getting there

[stoic island]

Asteroid mining is valid tbh, the costs don't outweigh the benefits completely

[plucky timber]

I mean

[stoic island]

Especially in the future

[plucky timber]

It would certainly help if there's a breakthrough in rocket science

If we could make escaping earth's gravity cheap enough then it's gonna be a whole new space age

[teal dome]

Didn’t they do this already?

[golden forge]

@cyan ravine So I was able to boot, but the lights are still white. I plugged in my monitors (HDMI) and I’ve got nothing showing up. At least it booted up, though.

[teal dome]

Great space pirate era

[stoic island]

Lots of people saying they're going to do it, hell, I think NASA has a planned mission, but no results yet

[stoic island]

That's the reason why there's so much interest in a moon base as a staging point

If we could just get the raw resources from the moon and construct the spacecraft on the moon, we just need to ship a few complicated parts like electronics up

[teal dome]

True

[plucky timber]

yeah

it's a lot cheaper when you don't have to account for earth's gravity

[teal dome]

Anyways I go sleep

Gn fellas

Good space talk

[stoic island]

Good night

[plucky timber]

gn

[little osprey]

is a z690 and 12900k worth it if i can get both for 500 this is for friend

[obsidian wigeon]

no

there's better gaming combos

in sure $500 fits 7800x3d and mobo

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fdrNKp

i'd check microcenter bundles if they're near a micro center

[cyan ravine]

Definitely not rn

[fossil cedar]

No that's a horrible price tbh, even more so if it's ddr4

[tepid crater]

Hey folks. Looking for some input. Found a 2060 super GPU at the right price to replace my old 1070 ti and was wondering what motherboard I should get to pair with it, or if I should just keep on with my B550 steel legend

[obsidian wigeon]

you don't need to upgrade anything

but what's the system's specs anyway?

and what's the price on the 2060s?

[tepid crater]

I found one for 200 bucks being sold locally. And I'm at my girls place atm so I can't check the exact specs but I have a steel legend B550 motherboard, an Intel I5 cpu, 1070ti gpu, and a single Samsung 2tb ssd with 16gb worth of corsair ram....I know not the best details but that's just what I remember atm

[obsidian wigeon]

200 is too much for that

you can get better used gpus for 200

b550? that's amd

[tepid crater]

Where? Cause even new egg doesn't have them that cheap last i looked

[obsidian wigeon]

ebay

and hardware swap server

[fossil cedar]

200$ is an absolute rip off for a 1070ti

You can get a 6600 for that (new) and it's better

[tepid crater]

Last time I bought a GPU from ebay it was a burnt out 2070 super, the one before that I bought a 1080 and got the 1070 ti I'm using instead lol

@fossil cedar the 2060 super is 200. I already have the 1070ti

[fossil cedar]

Just as bad

It's because the 2060 super hasn't been made in 3 years

So that's why newegg don't have it

The only ones you'll see is wack 3rd party seller pricing

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155676332809

there's refurb 6600xt

[fossil cedar]

Also b550 is amd do you mean b560 maybe?

[tepid crater]

I figured. All I want is a 2070 super but everyone wants near the same price for one of those that they want for a 3000 series

[fossil cedar]

Lol that's a rip off

[obsidian wigeon]

and 200 for that is a rip off

[tepid crater]

@fossil cedar it might be 560, could swore it was 550 though

[obsidian wigeon]

this 6600xt is $189

[fossil cedar]

If it's b550 then you have an amd cpu not intel

[obsidian wigeon]

and comes with warranty

cause it's an ebay certified refurb

[fossil cedar]

Not that it matters for gpu compatibility anyway but just an fyi

[tepid crater]

B550 is my motherboard

[fossil cedar]

Then you don't have an intel cpu

[tepid crater]

My cpu is an Intel I5?

[fossil cedar]

Not possible if your motherboard is b550

[tepid crater]

@obsidian wigeon ah see I never looked at the Radeon, don't know anything about them

[fossil cedar]

If your motherboard is b550 your cpu has to be amd

[obsidian wigeon]

radeon is a solid choice since 6000 series

[tepid crater]

Huh...weird...

[fossil cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903768190717411339/1075245347657486426/image.png

[obsidian wigeon]

and 5000 is fine, like 5700xt, but only expect it for $140 or less

[fossil cedar]

Should be pretty useful for comparing

[tepid crater]

And I'm still trying to understand all the techno babble around the gpus and such

[fossil cedar]

There's really not much

Just use the graph above tbh

The higher vertically the better

If 2 gpus are the same level no matter the brand they're within margin of error of each other

[tepid crater]

Yeah I'm saving that chart

[fossil cedar]

Although i wouldn't recommend intel yet their drivers are not mature enough to run smoothly all the time

[obsidian wigeon]

ignore the intel gpus, as they're spotty with drivers

[tepid crater]

So that 6600 you posted is about the same as a 1080 based on that chart

[mossy venture]

In your cart, this is $200 https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-7600-rx7600-cl-8go/p/N82E16814930093?Item=N82E16814930093&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-930-093-_-10072023 when you also add https://www.newegg.com/team-group-1tb-t-force-cardea-a440/p/N82E16820331726

[obsidian wigeon]

i posted 6600xt

not 6600 non xt

[mossy venture]

7600 is I think between 2070 super and 2080

New gpu, and can sell ram for $20-25 if it's not needed

Wait wrong link for the second part

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331354?Item=N82E16820331354&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-354-_-10072023

[tepid crater]

240 ish isn't bad for that...compared to the 300 plus they want for a 2070 or better

[cyan ravine]

Beep boop

[mossy venture]

With the ram, it's $200

Just gotta add both to your cart

[tepid crater]

Ah

[mossy venture]

$72 should come off

[little osprey]

Radeon is GARBAGE

[cyan ravine]

Boop beep

[mossy venture]

I haven't even seen 7600 below $230 by itself, so with ram that's a nice deal

[little osprey]

Buy 4060 Ti

[mossy venture]

Joking right

[cyan ravine]

I will remove ur brain

[obsidian wigeon]

no slov

[little osprey]

(Don’t listen to me)

[tepid crater]

Oh sick

[obsidian wigeon]

remove his brain, felix

[little osprey]

Brain removal

[obsidian wigeon]

ew

[tepid crater]

That'll put me at 32 gb of ram lol

[little osprey]

Make me the true Nvidia shill

[obsidian wigeon]

other mod did the ban, aw

[mossy venture]

You gotta make sure the die matches though when you use two separate kits

[little osprey]

Die is gonna be most important

[mossy venture]

Using mismatching dies is not a good experience

[tepid crater]

The die?

[mossy venture]

Manufacturer of the ram ic

[little osprey]

Chip inside RAM

[tepid crater]

Ah

[mossy venture]

Micron, hynix, or samsung

[fossil cedar]

Sweet deal

[obsidian wigeon]

oh right pato is around

[tepid crater]

I'm using corsair ram sticks atm...

[obsidian wigeon]

im so forgetful

[cyan ravine]

It's very simple to run a 32gb fresh kit, on the other hand mixing two kits can kill your windows or simply not run at all @tepid crater

[obsidian wigeon]

i swear i will get dementia before i turn 50

[fossil cedar]

Ah yes the worst gpu release in years and years

[cyan ravine]

Buy a 32gb kit, sell your 16gb kit

[little osprey]

I am a Nvidia minion

The more you buy the more you save

Mark my words

[fossil cedar]

Or well just not use the 16gb from the 7600 deal

[tepid crater]

I mean I can always just use whichever set of the ram sticks. Don't HAVE to use both. Though I wouldn't say no to 32g of ram

[fossil cedar]

I'll have whatever drugs you're having

[little osprey]

[fossil cedar]

Do not mix ram kits, big no no

[little osprey]

Frame generation copium

[cyan ravine]

Sell both 16gb kits, have more than enough for a 32gb kit

[little osprey]

Anyways off to work

[cyan ravine]

Net positive

[fossil cedar]

10/10 would not recommend

[fossil cedar]

True dat

[fossil cedar]

Tfw amds is driver level and better

[cyan ravine]

If I had a penny for the number of people I've met with stability problems because of mixing

[fossil cedar]

And reduces latency kek

[cyan ravine]

I'd probably have a kebab by now

[cyan ravine]

Not really I just really want a kebab

[fossil cedar]

Lmao

[cyan ravine]

Can someone give me a kebab

?

[fossil cedar]

Here you go boss can 🥙

That's not a kebab

Ree

Keyboard lied

One sec

Eh good enough

There's no good kebab gifs

[tepid crater]

Funniest part is I'm still using a decade old master cooler case too. But I mean it works. Damn things got 4 big arse fans in it

[cyan ravine]

I would take stuffed taco

Hm 4 big

H500?

[mossy venture]

N440?

[obsidian wigeon]

CM HUGE 500

[tepid crater]

Maybe. Got one in the top the top the size of a dinner plate. Bugger moves air too let me tell you

[cyan ravine]

Bruvs got pc fans the size of mission impossible air ducts

[tepid crater]

No lies. 2 in the back the size of tennis balls. One in the side the size of a grapefruit, and a dinner plate fan for the top XD

[fossil cedar]

That's the thing about a good case tho you can just keep it through all your upgrades

[tepid crater]

It's funny cause it's a solid case, no see through bits. So my rgb ram sticks and motherboard just Emmitt this earie glow out the mesh and vents on the sides and top lol

Here it is

Haf912 is what it says?

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

that's like a 2013 case

[fossil cedar]

That looks like a solid case

[tepid crater]

I wanted a solid case incase shiznit happens. I got 2 dogs and I'm not exactly graceful myself. Plus it had good reviews on its cooling aspects

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

it was good when it came out

still solid today with drive bays removed

[cyan ravine]

Wow a haf

They have a new haf

Look up haf900

[obsidian wigeon]

no, they haf a new haf

[tepid crater]

My only issue is trying to get USB ports to link up properly. Only about half of them work and the power button is a bit finicky

Oooooh that haf 932 looks nice

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[tepid crater]

I still have all the liquid cooling parts for mine I just never used them. I don't play any games that would need me to use it

The most intense games I play atm are cyberpunk 2077 and the modded minecrsft server I'm on....never thought minecrsft would cause higher usage rates than cyberpunk...

[mossy venture]

Modded minecraft can be surprisingly intensive, especially if you're using shaders and a lot of dimension mods

[tepid crater]

Yeah, create stellar and seus renewed shades

[south cliff]

im having a problem everytime i move my mouse in like cyberpunk and i even tried fortnite my game goes blurry until i stop

not the game its like the text that goes blurry

[obsidian wigeon]

do you have fsr or any frame generation turned on?

[mossy venture]

Motion blur?

[south cliff]

i fixed it it was becasue of the amd boost thing

[south cliff]

always have it off

[obsidian wigeon]

amd boost, ah it must be something that messes with rendering

[south cliff]

yeah also i recently updated bios and it gave me a option for like ultimate profile for my cpu but it didnt oc it but i get 14 more fps in cyberpunk im not complaining but what does it do my temps are about the same

or it might just be the new cyberpunk update

[teal dome]

What’s better?

[mossy venture]

A520

[teal dome]

Nvm I figured it out

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550m-pro-se/p/N82E16813162138?Item=N82E16813162138&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-162-138-_-10072023

[teal dome]

I was looking and it was low price but then the board has no WiFi nor Bluetooth

Cringe

[mossy venture]

That's nice

Oh also no Bluetooth or wifi though

[teal dome]

Oh nvm

[mossy venture]

Separate wifi card is $20

[teal dome]

Same price with WiFi and Bluetooth lol

[mossy venture]

Yeah

Better mobo tbf

[mossy venture]

Wait I forget, do you still need ram?

[teal dome]

Yeah

[mossy venture]

That b550 I linked you can get a 16gb ddr4 3200c16 with it for a total of $111

[teal dome]

Haven’t bought yet might pick up ram and cpu through TikTok shop

[teal dome]

Need WiFi and Bluetooth tho

Sadness

[mossy venture]

Fantastech starts in two days

[teal dome]

Why does no board have Bluetooth man

[mossy venture]

A lot of places are still trying to clear out am4 mobo stock, might find some good deals then

[teal dome]

Alright I’ll wait for fantastech

If everything goes well I will be able to sell my switch tmr for 130 and get cpu and ram with it

With TikTok deals on 2 accounts I get rgb ram 32gb and 5500 for 120

[mossy venture]

Nice

[teal dome]

I might wait for fantastech and see if there’s any decent deals

Also do I need Bluetooth something

Do I need to buy it

[mossy venture]

Hm?

[teal dome]

Like the a520 mobo doesn’t have Bluetooth

But I use Bluetooth for audio and allat

Do I need to buy an adapter or something?

I have a dongle that came with my headphones, can I use those?

[little osprey]

Dongle is it’s own connection

[teal dome]

So I can use it?

[little osprey]

If you need wifi/Bluetooth you’ll need a PCIe card if the board doesn’t have it

[little osprey]

Yes

[stoic island]

If your wireless devices use 2.4ghz receivers, you don't need Bluetooth on your motherboard

If you have a 3.5in to USB dongle, it won't do anything, if you have a 2.4ghz dongle, it will work

[green egret]

Hey, i need to buy components for a LLM, we already have 12GPUs we want to make 3 or 4 rigs. What motherboards/cpu/ram should we buy? I'm looking for suggestions.

it's for my school so budget not really issue but I don't want to spend too much

[stoic island]

If you have time to look around, probably just some old xeons, you don't need much from the cpu/ram for llms, just need maybe 16gb of ram, you just need all the pcie lanes you can get from xeons/threadrippers

[little osprey]

does the 4080 have the same problem with cable connector burning as you always here with the 4090

[teal dome]

How do I know

[stoic island]

If you plug in the dongle and you can use the device without pairing with bluetooth, like most wireless mice, you don't need bluetooth

[teal dome]

Hmm

I mean when I tried using the dongle it just did not work

[tepid crater]

Alright let's hear the reasons I shouldn't get this lol

[teal dome]

There’s better deals for 2tb

[stoic island]

prob not 2.4ghz then

[teal dome]

Like I tried it with a computer that had Bluetooth

[stoic island]

70$ for 2tb
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-2tb-mp34/p/N82E16820331735

[teal dome]

What about solidgm

[stoic island]

p41 plus? it's 80$ rn

[teal dome]

Nvm it’s 80

[tepid crater]

See and this is why I ask here first

[teal dome]

It was 60 before lol

[tepid crater]

@fossil cedar @cyan ravine

We were talking about my specs before

And it is a B560 steel legend motherboard

[mighty sapphire]

What’s some good ram ?

[tepid crater]

@stoic island so what was wrong with the one I wanted to get? Besides it costing more?

[lyric thistle]

Higher price that can't be justified

[tepid crater]

Gotcha

[teal dome]

Depends on what generation

Ddr4 or ddr5 and how much do you need

And do you need best price or good aesthetics

[tepid crater]

I have corsair vengeance ddr4 sticks in mine. 16gb

[mighty sapphire]

I have ddr4 now, but my buddy is looking for some. Wasn’t sure if ddr5 is worth it? I honestly don’t know a ton about it lol

[teal dome]

What motherboard does he have, does it even support ddr5

[mighty sapphire]

Oh good question. When I built mine a few years ago ddr5 wasn’t something I really looked into. I’ll find out

[teal dome]

Oh ok

[mossy venture]

If it supports ddr4 it does not support ddr5

[teal dome]

I’m dumb

Why did I even ask this

[teal dome]

Wait no she’s asking for her friend no?

[mossy venture]

I think so, but just saying

[teal dome]

Oh ok

[tepid crater]

I Mean when I asked a si.ilar question I was told to get these

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236703

And I did. And they've been great so far

[mossy venture]

You can get a 32gb kit for less

[teal dome]

Real

Silicon power 32gb is 50 or 40 I forgot

[mossy venture]

50

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

for 3600c18 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PJ6qqs/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd432g3600hc18jdc01

3600c16 is $57 https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-32gb/p/N82E16820226992

best value ddr4 kit rn

[teal dome]

Fr? Then I’ll prob go for rgb variant of tforce for the same price in TikTok shop

Dude TikTok shop has such good deals

[mossy venture]

check if this is on tt shop

[teal dome]

45

With shipping

And taxes

[mossy venture]

that's really nice

[tepid crater]

I Mean I got them like 2 or 3 years ago when I was just trying to get tmy pc built

[mossy venture]

ah

[teal dome]

Honestly bro I might buy all my parts on tt shop

I save around 20 or 10 per part

[serene onyx]

Hey guys

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rWpmrv

I made this pc build for my cousin

But the mobo is not in stock

[mossy venture]

have you bought the gpu yet?

[serene onyx]

Can someone like fix it up, and try to keep it below 550 if you can

[serene onyx]

Nope

[mossy venture]

you can get a better gpu+16gb ram for $200

[serene onyx]

Nothing has been bought yey

Yet

[serene onyx]

Say less

[mossy venture]

add these both to cart and total should be $200 https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331354?Item=N82E16820331354&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-354-_-10072023
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-7600-rx7600-cl-8go/p/N82E16814930093?Item=N82E16814930093&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-930-093-_-10072023

[serene onyx]

I'm just trynna keep it below 550

[mossy venture]

alr and few min on mobo, gotta do smthn first

[serene onyx]

Alright please do

If you can, remove the gpu and ram from the list so I can tell him to buy that bundle

And he can just go off the list for the rest

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4cCxsh

oh also on tiktok shop

you can get a 5500 for like $60 with a new user coupon

[serene onyx]

Wtf

Tiktok shop?

😭💀

[mossy venture]

yeah it's new

there's a new user coupon for $20 off

[serene onyx]

5500 for 60$?!?

That's insane

[mossy venture]

yeah, really nice price

[serene onyx]

Oh yeah

Youd prefer the 7600 or the 5500

[mossy venture]

it's like $62 or smthn im not completely sure

[mossy venture]

why?

[serene onyx]

Cause I'm trynna make sure he can play most games

[mossy venture]

7600 i linked is a gpu

the 7600 cpu won't fit in this budget

5500 is a cpu

[serene onyx]

OH

NVM

I'm slor

Alow

[mossy venture]

no you're good

[serene onyx]

My fault, I didn't catch that until now

[mossy venture]

with the 5500, I'd do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fkLZwg

you could also get a bit cheaper on case

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9LkNcH

better quality case too, just smaller

[serene onyx]

The cpu is sold out

Oh wow

The 5500 is like 67 on tiktok shop

That's INSANE WTF

LMAO

[mossy venture]

yeah i'd def go for that over 12100f

[serene onyx]

Get the i3 instead?

[mossy venture]

nah

5500

[serene onyx]

Ight

Bet

[mossy venture]

12100f does game better, but not worth the extra at all

[serene onyx]

So final build would be the ram and gpu combo and this

[serene onyx]

I feel ypu

Does the mobo need a wifi card?

[mossy venture]

or this yeah

nah that mobo comes with wifi

[serene onyx]

Ight bet

Ima send him the bundle and the parts list rn

Ima tell him to buy the cpu on tiktok shop

[teal dome]

if you want to save more

[serene onyx]

Yes

[teal dome]

Use diff accounts and use same coupon

[serene onyx]

OH UR SO RIGHT

[teal dome]

You’ll save around 10-20 if they exist on TikTok shop

[serene onyx]

I'll let him know

[mossy venture]

can get this kit of ram for like $47 or so after tax https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-32gb/p/N82E16820226992

[teal dome]

Yeah

[mossy venture]

unneeded for the build but a really nice deal

[teal dome]

Also remember it depends on where you live

[mossy venture]

ye

[teal dome]

TikTok deal specialist

PCP should include TikTok ong

[serene onyx]

I was just thinking of that

Lmao

Ok so ima re send the final links on here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fkLZwg

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331354?Item=N82E16820331354&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-354-_-10072023
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-7600-rx7600-cl-8go/p/N82E16814930093?Item=N82E16814930093&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-930-093-_-10072023

Cpu stock cooler should be more than enough

[teal dome]

Hold up

[serene onyx]

Yeah?

[teal dome]

Yeah it should be

[serene onyx]

Ight bet

[teal dome]

@mossy venture

Why atx tower

You should copy my build

Bitfenix novemesh

5500

[mossy venture]

yeah stock is fine

[teal dome]

A520m motherboard

[mossy venture]

case is fine, can go g300a or bitfenix novamesh

[teal dome]

But it’s atx mobo

Change mobo

[mossy venture]

I'd take the b550 for $10 less, it won't make a difference on 5500 anyways

and it can still run a 5800x3d

[teal dome]

A520m is on TikTok shop you can get it for less btw

[mossy venture]

though that would be worth ^

[serene onyx]

So get the mobo on tiktok shop too?

[mossy venture]

asus a520m plus wifi

[teal dome]

Yeah

[serene onyx]

Ok so the final build is fineM

?*

[teal dome]

For ram get the 32gb as well

It’s only 50 with TikTok shop deal

For every part use different acc to maximize savings

[serene onyx]

Wait what

[teal dome]

So like

[serene onyx]

Yeah

[teal dome]

Here I’ll make a list

One min

[serene onyx]

Ok thanks

Ima still use the gpu and ram bundle

[mossy venture]

oh yeah i forgot the ram is with the gpu lmao

mb

[serene onyx]

Yeah LMAO

[teal dome]

Yeah I forgot Myb as well

[serene onyx]

Ok so it's fine after all?

Do I send it to him?

[teal dome]

Yeah

Hold up