this is a 4k capable pc
#building-and-recc-chat
cyan ravine
They could get another ssd and maybe 64gb of ram but the difference in performance is literally zero
burnt plaza
use a manufacturer's build. it'll be easy to put together, and if you go with top of the line, expensive xD
mossy venture
Even that's spending stupidly in multiple areas
little osprey
some dude wants a 4k gaming pc
so am making it for them
idk whats up with them
They want da nasa computer
obsidian wigeon
what's even budget
cyan ravine
It is a nasa computer lmao
obsidian wigeon
ok, but then again
little osprey
hit atleast 3.5k
cyan ravine
They want the fastest pc in a 4k budget
obsidian wigeon
do they even need that much
little osprey
they want to pay atleast 3.5k idk
burnt plaza
by saying 4k a lot, i wasn't sure if you were saying they want a pc capable of gaming at 4k (well) or if it just has to cost 4000 USD
cyan ravine
That's the fastest
little osprey
ok 💀
cyan ravine
Tell them they don't need to spend 4k
obsidian wigeon
more money than sense
cyan ravine
1500$ is a lot
obsidian wigeon
but imo
little osprey
prob a 100 inch tv
obsidian wigeon
i'd spend on nicer case but that's just me
burnt plaza
ooh what's that company that gifts pc's to popular streamers and content creators
obsidian wigeon
like pop mini air
little osprey
@cyan ravine cant you go 64 gb of ram?
cyan ravine
You could but why
burnt plaza
i have 64g and, i thought it was overkill a few years ago, as it was initially an accident, but i've had times where i've gotten to 70%
mossy venture
hit atleast 3.5k
Wasting so much money, but ig https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FPqK4M
cyan ravine
They don't really know what they want tbh
obsidian wigeon
that's just how it scales
little osprey
LOOOL
obsidian wigeon
but 32 is plenty for games
mossy venture
That also doesn't include monitor
So can waste less money and get a very good monitor included
cyan ravine
Wasting so much money, but ig https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FPqK4M
God 
obsidian wigeon
the corsair fest
teal olive
what about max?
obsidian wigeon
1000
cyan ravine
what about max?
1000
obsidian wigeon
no above
little osprey
@obsidian wigeon am wondering, what is the most expensive pc part picker?
obsidian wigeon
it's endless
cyan ravine
@little osprey look I spent 4k
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VR3V7R
little osprey
got to be like 20k
cyan ravine
Lol
little osprey
THE MONTIOR
mossy venture
little osprey
LMAFO
obsidian wigeon
it is what it is
teal olive
😭😭😭😭😭
mossy venture
10tb of ssd storage in that lol
little osprey
Monitor+video card = cost
cyan ravine
bro ima cry
I could match your specs new honestly for maybe 800
obsidian wigeon
the parts are worth 1k only
cyan ravine
I'm being generous
teal olive
ur joking 💀
little osprey
10tb of ssd storage in that lol
Can you make a 10k pc? I want to see one 💀
cyan ravine
Nope
obsidian wigeon
we're not
teal olive
😔
obsidian wigeon
we're being serious, and generous actually
burnt plaza
Can you make a 10k pc? I want to see one 💀
start researching server pcs and the prices start skyrocketing
it's why nvidia is giving up on gamers
bc the real $$$ is in datacenters
mossy venture
I wouldnt quite say that, they just don't care about the price tags they give gamers
cyan ravine
@teal olive not exact part for part but 781$
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P6tV7R
cyan ravine
You can fledge off the corsair stuff for a bit more value
little osprey
of my new pc?
little osprey
Am buying it
mossy venture
The ls720 is so so much better, both being 150% of the size
mossy venture
And just better quality
I did not look at the rest of the build lol
I got to the aio and immediately tabbed back to discord lmao
Mb
mossy venture
Low
little osprey
mossy venture
Pato and sips i believe atleast
plucky timber
PSU isn't expensive enough
little osprey
try this
little osprey
PSU isn't expensive enough
your right
burnt plaza
why is the ram 1k
pcpartpicker attempts to list a price they can find from amazon or newegg, etc...
and it goes with whatever
burnt plaza
so if the only thing they can find for a very specific product is $1000 for $100 of ram, it will say $1000
little osprey
30k PC
burnt plaza
loll you guys just inflating the prices with these stupid monitors hahaha
cyan ravine
@teal olive reason you could probably get $1000 is someone might be looking for a prebuilt, and prebuilts are dumb expensive
It's new enough to be considered a basically new pc
So it's possible
little osprey
loll you guys just inflating the prices with these stupid monitors hahaha
love it
cyan ravine
But yeah, your pc worth maybe 800
burnt plaza
i lvoe to see ppl selling their used prebuilts for msrp from 2018
cyan ravine
💀
little osprey
7680 x 4320 60 Hz Monitor
plucky timber
Remember when prebuilts are better value than custom built pcs?
that was rock bottom pandemic pricing
teal olive
It's new enough to be considered a basically new pc
giving me hope
potent portal
Remember when prebuilts are better value than custom built pcs?
Dark times indeed
plucky timber
like bro, this was $2000, it's still worth $1500!
I hate that mentality
potent portal
cyan ravine
giving me hope
I say good luck cos one could consider the extra 200 the assembly cost
plucky timber
it's also the same mentality that lead people to think that a 4790K is worth $100
cyan ravine
Anyway have fun guys I'm out 👋
teal olive
Anyway have fun guys I'm out 👋
thanks bro
burnt plaza
I hate that mentality
it's like, listen, lemme break it down for you-- first you paid $1000 more than you should have bc someone built it for you; second, all those top-of-the-line 2018 parts are now 5 years old...you try to even use a 5-year old iphone? xD
i'm glad pc parts do tend to have greater value than something like cell phones over a period of time...
like, now that some new iphones are coming out, i know my battery is gonna start mysteriously dying in half the time xD
burnt plaza
don't ask why i do it, bc i have no answer lol
i think ive just always had bad experiences with androids
potent portal
Apple has mostly become a status symbol. It costs more so it must be better, and if you own one it means you're better.
plucky timber
I fixed my own phone
and installed a custom rom on mine
That's the thing i like about android
the freedom
burnt plaza
and in the US it's a lot more common
plucky timber
It is my phone and xiaomi can't do anything about it
burnt plaza
i mean, it ha a slight majority in market share
versus, worldwide, androidOS has over 70% market share
potent portal
I'm so glad I got a Pixel, super easy to root and customize
burnt plaza
i've heard of those...but not familiar with them
potent portal
That's the only time I'd use a Xiaomi, is if it had a custom rom
China spies through them
burnt plaza
the US does a really good job and hindering competition xD
burnt plaza
well you better start checking your toaster, all your pc parts, your fridge, washer/dryer, maybe your toothbrush, for spy equipment
potent portal
Most PC parts aren't made in China, maybe things like the shroud
plucky timber
well you better start checking your toaster, all your pc parts, your fridge, was...
those don't connect to the internet
And to be fair
the US does as much spying as china
burnt plaza
you think they don't connect to the internet
plucky timber
but I'd rather the US spy on me than China
plucky timber
you *think* they don't connect to the internet
no they really don't
you could take apart your toaster and find out
burnt plaza
yea, but the anti-China sentiment has been created by US, so you think they're the enemy (bc we all have to have a good vs bad complex) while the US is collected all our data xD
it's the Chinese nano-spy-tech
it's in the stainless steel
burnt plaza
right
plucky timber
I do agree on the western propaganda part
It drives more conflict between the two nations
anyways phones
burnt plaza
it just hits at a time when i'm seeing and hearing a lot of negative comments related to this or that being "made in china" and i'd like to remind people we would live in the third world, at least in the US, if it weren't for goods we get from China lolll
ok, phones
sorry
or $30,000 computers
plucky timber
it just hits at a time when i'm seeing and hearing a lot of negative comments re...
yeah I am probably the biggest shill for chinese products
better value
you can not believe how cheap tech can be in china
you can get an arduino for $3
probably cheaper if you're going for the nanos
they're not geniune arduinos but they serve the same function and has the same microcontroller
tho shipping does bump up the price a lot if you're outside of china
burnt plaza
it's not pc's, but i've seen this sentiment regarding jordan's in that, whether from china or other asian manufacturers, they've gotten so good at reps that some of the only differences that can be found in a legit pair of jordans and a fake pair is, like, the depth of the color...
plucky timber
I mean yeah
burnt plaza
so, if no one is like, staring at your feet, if you want a popular style that's tough to get, get some reps and almost no one will know otherwise xD
of course, that doesn't work with everything
plucky timber
Most products coming out of china is of a pretty high quality
and for low prices too
teal dome
tho shipping does bump up the price a lot if you're outside of china
Live in china 
burnt plaza
imagine how bad it would hurt US manufacturers if we didn't tack on the crazy tariffs lolll
plucky timber
you can buy anything you want for a pretty good price
burnt plaza
or just US businesses in general
plucky timber
It really would
teal dome
How much would a 4090 be there?
plucky timber
How much would a 4090 be there?
probably around the same price
teal dome
probably around the same price
I mean it might be lower tho
plucky timber
computer parts aren't affected that much
teal dome
Cuz in china almost everyone has crazy pcs and phones
teal dome
from Shenzhen? $50
plucky timber
mostly because the core components are still made in taiwan or the netherlands
teal dome
If it’s less than 1000 or 1200 it’s so good
teal dome
mostly because the core components are still made in taiwan or the netherlands
Go to taiwan
teal dome
TSMC, ASML
What are those
plucky timber
the two most important semiconductor companies in the world
ASML is Dutch and TSMC is Taiwanese
burnt plaza
this is a cool video. dude goes to Shenzhen and buys all the parts to build his own iphone https://youtu.be/leFuF-zoVzA?si=7XRFb5gv4jLS_GWT
teal dome
ASML is Dutch and TSMC is Taiwanese
Like those companies make parts for the gpus?
plucky timber
Like those companies make parts for the gpus?
yes
It's not the entire picture but it's a part of it
teal dome
What’s hynix never heard of that
mossy venture
They make the best ddr5 dies
plucky timber
yes
mossy venture
They also make vram
plucky timber
most memory on the planet is made by Samsung, Micron or Hynix
teal dome
I still needa learn what’s die and other things on a memory lol
teal dome
can you download ram from them?
Imagine you can make the memory cloud
That’d be crazy
You can prob do it
plucky timber
memory cloud?
teal dome
memory cloud?
Like ram
teal dome
Computer ram
burnt plaza
"get the newest, fastest ddr10 at the click of a button!! apply now!!"
teal dome
True but like imagine it like fiber or some
It’s not good for common people but for big companies
plucky timber
You would need an entire 20 gigabit connection for what
DDR4 2400
for the ram alone
and that's theoretical
plucky timber
It's possible but very expensive
teal dome
Yeah, so it’s kinda useless
plucky timber
and there are better solutions
teal dome
Since you can spend that kind of money and make a server or some
plucky timber
exactly
plucky timber
the memory chips
teal dome
And also why is dual channel 16gb ram not good for ddr5
teal dome
That’s what I heard
plucky timber
you mean single channel?
plucky timber
I'm not a ddr5 expert so
teal dome
Better go for2x 16gb
teal dome
I'm not a ddr5 expert so
Oh alright
teal dome
the memory chips
How many different memory chips are there
plucky timber
16GB is just not enough for me
mossy venture
Single channel ram hurts performance heavily
teal dome
16GB is just not enough for me
For me I think it’s enough cuz I don’t open more than 2 chrome tabs
plucky timber
That is a myth
teal dome
Single channel ram hurts performance heavily
So 2x 8gb is single channel?
plucky timber
chrome doesn't use up much ram
teal dome
chrome doesn't use up much ram
Sarcasm XD
mossy venture
8gb sticks of ddr5 have like 40% less banks than higher capacity sticks
16gbx1 is single channel
8x2 is dual channel but still bad
plucky timber
8gb sticks of ddr5 have like 40% less banks than higher capacity sticks
"banks"?
teal dome
8x2 is dual channel but still bad
Because less bank? What is bank
mossy venture
That idk how to explain, that's how it was explained to be by pato/sips/felix
One of them could probably answer that
teal dome
Oh
teal dome
All I know is it heavily affects performance
Oh ok
teal dome
budget am4 motherboard with wifi? pcie4
mossy venture
budget am4 motherboard with wifi? pcie4
B550 ud ac or a520m plus wifi
teal dome
so i need something that support pcie4
man why is 5600 so expensive
yall think its gonna go down during black friday
primal linden
?
teal dome
ok
primal linden
most things will go down during Black Friday
teal dome
true
@mossy venture what happens when the cpu doesnt support pcie4 but i have pcie 4 ssd
stoic island
runs at pcie 3.0
teal dome
whats the difference?
cyan ravine
In normal use cases, basically nothing
Read write speeds are halved but you really only lose like 20 seconds of extra performance
teal dome
Read write speeds are halved but you really only lose like 20 seconds of extra p...
performance like what?
gaming or some other?
any loss of fps or some
cyan ravine
None of that
Like
You'd lose a little video editing speed, and some speed loss copying like, huge movies or other big files
You'd otherwise wouldn't really see a difference
stoic island
if you're copying 50gb files around all the time, it matters, if you aren't, usually doesn't matter
potent portal
For a normal person the only difference will be only margin of error differences
cyan ravine
Not worth spending any extra for
potent portal
primal linden
wow
potent portal
teal dome
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102614680338456/1115505510154768404/...
not too much
teal dome
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/885523647400390686/1100323030443511818/...
oh ok
also what about the motherboard with wifi '
build so far
any changes?
potent portal
If you need wifi, you can get one with it. But if you don't think you'll need it, no need to spend extra if you can get cheaper.
teal dome
If you need wifi, you can get one with it. But if you don't think you'll need it...
i need wifi now because we're moving and i cannot use ethernet
primal linden
ok
teal dome
If you need wifi, you can get one with it. But if you don't think you'll need it...
you think i need to change anything in the build?
potent portal
For $1 more you can get a 3600 instead of a 5500
primal linden
wait is the 3600 better
teal dome
For $1 more you can get a 3600 instead of a 5500
is the 3600 better?
potent portal
It sounds weird but the 3600 has functionally the same performance but also has PCIe 4.0
teal dome
what do i lose and gain?
potent portal
The 3600 also has more cache
latent condor
Hey can someone tell me if these parts are pretty good? 13k rand is about $700
teal dome
The 3600 also has more cache
so like what do i lose?
potent portal
so like what do i lose?
Nothing
teal dome
Nothing
any way i can make the build cheaper?
also what about bottleneck?
between 3600 and 6700xt
potent portal
Hey can someone tell me if these parts are pretty good? 13k rand is about $700
If it's cheaper you can get the 5600 without the X, same performance.
Also A520 is basically the same as B550 if you're not overclocking the CPU.
latent condor
If it's cheaper you can get the 5600 without the X, same performance.
Also A520 ...
Ok thats probably my biggest thing is the 5600 over the x
so its better to just go non x
potent portal
They're functionally the same, just get whichever is cheaper
latent condor
ok thanks
potent portal
It's like 1-2% maybe between them
teal dome
They're functionally the same, just get whichever is cheaper
what about gpu isnt there better options than the 3060?
latent condor
ok i can live without 2%
potent portal
what about gpu isnt there better options than the 3060?
idk how the market is there, outside the US, AMD isn't always a cheaper option
mossy venture
If you're just gaming, don't get a 3060 unless it's cheaper than a 6600xt/6650xt/6700/6700xt
latent condor
If it's cheaper you can get the 5600 without the X, same performance.
Also A520 ...
I was going to look into overclocking but i dont know if its difficult
latent condor
ok
stoic island
More for fun than practical
latent condor
ok
potent portal
Yeah with a CPU overclock you can get maybe 5% more performance for the cost of 30% more power
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4BsRkJ
$25 more for good chunk more cpu perf, but wifi 5 card and worse mobo, not sure how bad wifi 5 would actually be https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yBQ8MV
Oh that wifi card isn't actually that price anyways
So would end up being more
teal dome
Bro made it higher
potent portal
any way i can make the build cheaper?
If you're not dead set on the RGB memory you can get better sticks for cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YmDQzy/silicon-power-gaming-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-sp016gxlzu360bdaj5
teal dome
If you're not dead set on the RGB memory you can get better sticks for cheaper
h...
True but I need some aesthetic lol
potent portal
Is that aesthetic worth sacrificing 15% of your CPU performance though
teal dome
I was gonna go with the silicon power but decided to go for the rgb version instead
mossy venture
$343, 12100 pretty decently beats 3600 and 5500 for gaming https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DPbNqR
teal dome
Does 600 mhz make that much of a difference?
mossy venture
Cpu upgradability is basically nonexistent though
So meh, I think I'd take 3600 and a520m plus wifi with an upgrade path to 5800x3d later on
potent portal
Considering that also controls the infinity fabric speed (how the cores communicate with each other) yes that 600 MHz means 10-15% slower
teal dome
Cpu upgradability is basically nonexistent though
Might as well stick with amd side
teal dome
Considering that also controls the infinity fabric speed (how the cores communic...
Damn alright
mossy venture
Could also find 3600 used for like $70
teal dome
How much is the rgb 3600mhz ram
teal dome
Could also find 3600 used for like $70
70? It’s 33 new
potent portal
potent portal
70? It’s 33 new
Bacca probably means 2x16GB
mossy venture
mossy venture
70? It’s 33 new
3600 the cpu
teal dome
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qQzFf7/oloy-warhawk-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-360...
42 not bad
teal dome
3600 the cpu
Oh
teal dome
3600 the cpu
With shipping it’s so expensive man
potent portal
Used would be decently cheaper, if you get like a cpu+mobo+ram used combo off ebay
potent portal
Luckily AM4 is a decent bet that a used mobo will work fine because the pins are on the CPU
(unlike Intel that has pins that bend if you sneeze too hard holding the box)
potent portal
I’m not good at picking used tho sadly
US?
teal dome
Yeah it shows 10$ shipping as well
I save about 45 dollars
Hmm I’ll think about it thanks tho
I might buy some white cable extensions as well
Any good recommendations for that
languid nimbus
Could look on fb marketplace for cpu mobo deals
potent portal
If you're going to look there you might as well find a whole pc and strip out what you want
teal dome
If you're going to look there you might as well find a whole pc and strip out wh...
Yeah I found many but people don’t wanna sell one part by one
teal dome
If you're going to look there you might as well find a whole pc and strip out wh...
Can I send you the link?
potent portal
Right I mean buy the whole thing and just use what you want, and sell/scrap the rest
sure
thorn mural
3600 fine with wraith spire?
potent portal
Yep
thorn mural
thx
thorn mural
are DIYPC cases generally okay? i know model>brand but i've never really heard of DIYPC
specifically this one: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353228?Item=N82E16811353228
just looking for a super cheap white atx case
obsidian wigeon
for this price i'd rather get something from other brands
hmn
looks like nothing is this cheap rn other than that
looks fine i suppose
thorn mural
yeah i can wait a lil but a ton of white atx cases just went oos today for some reason
obsidian wigeon
if you can extend budget for case there's lots more options
thorn mural
im tryna do a flip
so if its like $10 more sure but otherwise its not worth it profit wise
thorn mural
fax
latent condor
Is am4 ryzen socket?
potent portal
Yes
latent condor
Ok
potent portal
Ryzen 1000-5000
latent condor
And they changed for 7000?
potent portal
Yes now it's AM5
potent portal
Correct
potent portal
There's no such thing as future proof, but AM4 is a dead end platform
latent condor
Ok
potent portal
AM5 is expected to last for a few more generations, about 3 more
muted egret
So how much would you suggest spending on an am4 board
The same you'd spend on a am5
If you can go for the 5800x3d
potent portal
No AM5 is a lot more expensive
muted egret
You should only change it in like 4-5 years
potent portal
AM4 you can get for $70
burnt plaza
how much do you want to spend is the question?
muted egret
No AM5 is a lot more expensive
I mean, sure, with it being new and all
earnest olive
i'd say it doesn't make sense to spend more than $80 on any am4 board these days unless it's for competitive OC
potent portal
Not just that, they moved the pins off the CPU and into the socket so it actually does cost more to make
burnt plaza
but, starting with am5 now will set you up for a while lol if you're in the building mood
earnest olive
if you're looking at more than $80 you might as well go a620/am5
latent condor
AM4 you can get for $70
I was going to spend $180 on a b550 strix am4 board
earnest olive
💀
latent condor
Is that to much
muted egret
That's wild dawg
potent portal
Way too much
latent condor
Okay got it
earnest olive
like i just said
latent condor
$70?
earnest olive
$80 is the most you should spend on am4 in late 2023
latent condor
Okay
burnt plaza
I was going to spend $180 on a b550 strix am4 board
a B650 costs that much
latent condor
a B650 costs that much
I was going to get this one
burnt plaza
well i don't have a sugar daddy atm...um, or parents who'd let me use their credit card...or nvm
latent condor
burnt plaza
latent condor
Dawg, why u buying in monopoly money
Its about $180
latent condor
Dawg, why u buying in monopoly money
muted egret
Check one that is about 80-100
latent condor
Check one that is about 80-100
Okay
muted egret
Prolly with taxes and stuff can be more expensive
potent portal
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=price&s=33
You can tell pcpartpicker which country you're in and it can help find one that's in your region
latent condor
You can tell pcpartpicker which country you're in and it can help find one that'...
Wait really lets go
potent portal
Better
latent condor
Thats 121 but i think i can go cheaper
potent portal
If you can't get below $100 I'd just blame your local market
latent condor
Okay
latent condor
If you can't get below $100 I'd just blame your local market
What features are important on a motherboard
potent portal
All of them will come with the critical features needed to use a 5700X or lower
latent condor
Ok
potent portal
Anything else is extra or optional
potent portal
Yes
latent condor
Okay
burnt plaza
the greatest cost in updating is just having to do it all at once, essentially
that is, to make the jump to a new gen
like if am5 support ddr4 and ddr5 you could at least hold off on the newer expensive ram for a minute
potent portal
That's a strategy that kinda sorta worked for Intel, but if you used DDR4 on anything higher than a 12600 (starting at 12600k) you would lose performance. Most of the 13th gen is the same way.
burnt plaza
in the past, when building a pc with limited funds, i would just buy a part per pay check, or every other pay check, or something, you get the jist lol
until i had everything i needed
lyric thistle
That works best by having working machines already to test parts with
burnt plaza
now that i'm an actual adult (aka in my thirties) i can usually afford to buy everything i need at once xD
latent condor
Okay thanks
vernal crow
Hi @cyan ravine 🙂
hardy remnant
hey everyone, I got this server recommended by friends because I'm planning on buying a new pc very soon and I was wondering if I can make better use of my budget / cut out parts that might be too powerful and not needed. I don't know a lot about pc building beyond the very very basics and looking at some test benchmarks which is why I wanted to consult some people who know much more about this than I do.
This is the build I currently plan on getting:
AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d
Asus Rog Strix B650E-E
GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 AERO OC 12G
samsung 980 Pro 1TB SSD
Seagate IronWolf NAS 4TB CMR
be quiet! Straight power 11CM 850W
be quiet! Dark Rock pro 4
the tower case is flexible and I don't care much about the look. The PC would mostly be used for working in the Adobe suit aka. Photoshop, After Effects, Lightroom some blender etc, some gaming too, but it doesn't have to be 1440p raytrace levels of good, I'm surviving on a budget build from 2018 :^), my standards are very low, I would just like to be able to even launch some recent titles and maybe some for the next couple years.
My primary concern is buying parts that are too powerful for my needs, I've seen the AMD 7 7800x3d be used with 4090's but not really with 4070's and was wondering if that in particular could be replaced? ( especially since it's mostly used for gaming and I haven't really found anything discussing it's performance regarding editing software etc.)
varz is the friend
hello varz
cyan ravine
cyan ravine
Ok so I need to ask a couple cursory questions, how deep into after effects and blender do you go
Also which country you in?
hardy remnant
germany, i will prob source most parts from mindfactory
hardy remnant
Ok so I need to ask a couple cursory questions, how deep into after effects and ...
classify deep for me
I'm a motion design student so I work a lot of raw video files, vfx, compositing
cyan ravine
Premiere, media encoder too?
hardy remnant
yes
cyan ravine
classify deep for me
I don't use blender pls help 
cyan ravine
Ok that's perfect
I understand haha
Alr, what's your budget
Do you need wifi? Monitor, mouse and keyboard too?
hardy remnant
2k€ max, would prefere if it's around 1800€
hardy remnant
Do you need wifi? Monitor, mouse and keyboard too?
nope, got all of those
hardy remnant
thank you
cyan ravine
@hardy remnant wifi?
hardy remnant
no i got ethernet
hardy remnant
4tb is enough, 2 would work too, i can always upgrade I guess?
cyan ravine
Alr I'll aim for 4
hardy remnant
cyan ravine
@hardy remnant boop
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Wz8hgB
mossy venture
if cuda isn't needed can fit an xtx in budget'
cyan ravine
Blender
mossy venture
might be cpu focused
cyan ravine
Nah, for an editing rig this is fine
hardy remnant
blender doesnt have to be the main concern by the way xD its mostly for adobe and games
cyan ravine
Photoshop is dabbling into ai now
hardy remnant
mh could I change out the power supply for a gold one
cyan ravine
I can
hardy remnant
Photoshop is dabbling into ai now
that's not my main use for it
i mostly paint in it
and graphic design a bit
cyan ravine
mh could I change out the power supply for a gold one
What's your reason? DE power prices?
hardy remnant
yeah
mossy venture
80+ rating doesn't matter as to psu quality, but i know power prices in germany kinda suck
cyan ravine
Fair enough I had a gold alternative
hardy remnant
80+ rating doesn't matter as to psu quality, but i know power prices in germany ...
they do
hardy remnant
yeah it's just for saving money on electricity, this thing is gonna run long hours a day
cyan ravine
hardy remnant
thank you
mossy venture
that's understandable, spend a bit more now and the difference will be saved in a few months lol
hardy remnant
yeah the ram is spicy
cyan ravine
Which is solid for heavy premiere and workstation
cyan ravine
The motherboard has a bonus feature
Renesas bclk chip
It basically makes it a z790
So next tier up, it can overclock despite not being supposed to do that
2tb of good rand read gen 4 nvme
Then another 2tb of "good enough" nvme to store old projects
Or bulk copy
hardy remnant
cyan ravine
And 4070ti is a bit of a niche case of being somewhat decent value
I would opt for a 3090 used instead if possible
It would be more viable here
Especially with the wider bit bus
It will help a lot for big video projects
hardy remnant
alright but would it hold up for the next 4-6 years?
cyan ravine
Yes
hardy remnant
for gaming as well?
cyan ravine
I mean to be real
hardy remnant
I mean if it's cheaper why not o.o
cyan ravine
For the bread and butter stuff like photoshop? You can use a basic pc
But video editing or gaming there's definitely a scale factor to it
Blender, after effects as well
hardy remnant
my file sizes are about 2gb on the regular in ps
cyan ravine
Media encoder can but depends on yoyr bit rate
mossy venture
I would opt for a 3090 used instead if possible
would prob want a diff psu though
hardy remnant
oh god sorry
mossy venture
i dont think I'd trust udgm with a 3090/ti
cyan ravine
would prob want a diff psu though
True
hardy remnant
cyan ravine
Slipped my mind I'm very dizzy rn
mossy venture
xpg core reactor 850 i think is reasonably priced
cyan ravine
my file sizes are about 2gb on the regular in ps
You'll be fine
One sec, sil I'll make a backup list for the 3090
hardy remnant
alright, I only heard bad things about intel but that was quite a few years ago 
cyan ravine
hardy remnant
thank you
cyan ravine
To this effect basically
Try and make sure the seller is legit
Like a few reviews, not a brand new account
hardy remnant
WOW that's a 1k build
cyan ravine
Always use a middleman service
cyan ravine
WOW that's a 1k build
Gpu price not included
cyan ravine
Always use a middleman service
I always recommend paypal goods and services
And do in person exchanges of the items in safe places like a police station
Or middle of a mall
Shipping over can be sketchy
People have gotten stuff like rocks, sand, incorrect gpus, similar but weaker gpus
You never know unless you really know the person you know?
But the wider bus of a 3090 and the extra vram will definitely fair way better for your work
Vs. 4070ti at 1440p in games the results are practically the same
The only trade off going to a 3090 is really losing your AV1 encode support
But that's it
hardy remnant
oh well
cyan ravine
I mean if you need that, then stick with the 4070ti imo
Or if you want something more gaming focused, a 7900 XT
hardy remnant
the 3090 here goes for more than 2k€ in reputable shops
cyan ravine
Lol oof
hardy remnant
cyan ravine
Could try hardwareswap if they have a germany reddit
hardy remnant
the inno one you recommended was 2934€
hardy remnant
what is going on lmao
cyan ravine
They're dummy charging on last stock to see if it moves I guess
Stick a high price so it's unlikely to be bought but still selling
Yeah I would expect more in the range of like, 650 maybe 700 euros used
For 3090
Anyway hope that helps
Ima sleep
hardy remnant
thank you for the help
pseudo forge
anyone know if its possible to control all rgb with one software
manic cloak
little osprey
anyone know if its possible to control all rgb with one software
OpenRGB or something
sullen spoke
openrgb and signalrgb are the two most popular
sullen spoke
I can't imagine the gpu would be an issue changing. the case fans will depend on if you have them plugged into an rgb controller
dusky hearth
@unreal isle be careful about figures in a pc case, make sure they're not like, abs plastic or other low temperature plastics that could soften in the heat of a pc case. the gpu backplate can get very toasty and i've seen many cases of people having their figures be warped due to the heat
abs's heat deflection temp is 80-100c
pla's hdt is 49-52c
petg 60-70c apparently
pvc could be as low as like 30c
so you should be fine with abs plastic figures
pla, petg, pvc, etc. i would avoid putting on top of your gpu
weary galleon
petg probably fine as well. The backplate will heat up but not to the same temp as the gpu core/die/wherever the temp measurement is taken
dusky hearth
yeah true
slight concern with petg, but chances are it'll be fine
and if it's an expensive figure, i wouldnt put it in the pc case at all
even if the plastic is like, rated to melt at 500 degrees
pseudo pollen
It looks like some that I found on aliexpress for around $10, so I'm guessing it's not that expensive
unreal isle
oh yeah those are just some cheap figs i dont really care about, tbf i have them standing off the gpu with some microtape so hopefully if anything gets melty its the tape and i can just scrape it off
noted though, ill post if i notice anything
dusky hearth
adhesive can generally be removed with some solvents like acetone or alcohol
if it's being stubborn
unreal isle
yeah, not even sure what microtape is made of but ive never had any issues with it that a plastic knife cant fix
also stuart in the bottom still has my bios and drivers on it lol
so happy with the case though, it was so easy to work with (other than the fact that i should have put the fans in BEFORE anything else just bc screwing them in working around everything sucked
dusky hearth
normally i put the fans in last, unless it is impossible to put them in afterwards
unreal isle
the front fans were such a pain because the screws were hard to reach
could be a screwdriver diff though
dusky hearth
i mean, did you take off the front panel properly
storm arrow
Okay got my motherboard in, when having 2 sticks of ram put 1 on each channel?
Starting with the first one?
mossy venture
Okay got my motherboard in, when having 2 sticks of ram put 1 on each channel?
Most mobos like 2nd and 4th slots I believe
But it should say in the mobo manual
And it does matter
storm arrow
Okay looking at videos it is showing 2 and 4th
gentle pollen
Are the videos for your specific motherboard?
storm arrow
Can you stream with the 7800x3d or would 7950 better for that
strong raft
Both would be plenty.
mossy venture
7800x3d and just use gpu encoding
Would get better fps with better streaming than cpu encoding
storm arrow
Okay my friend is buying a pre built can't talk him out of it he's trying to go with the 7950 with a 3080ti
mossy venture
As long as an nvidia gpu with nvenc or 7000 series amd, im not sure what other generations have good encoding
Yeah just use video encoding
storm arrow
What's a better gpu for the price of the 3080
lyric thistle
do amd gpus not have good video encoding
mossy venture
3080 pricing is weird depending on where you're buying it
lyric thistle
970 nvenc is decent
mossy venture
do amd gpus not have good video encoding
7000 series has av1
I think 6000 series mightve I'm not sure
Before that I don't think a good one
lyric thistle
rip
hazy jolt
whats everyones opinion on 27" 4k 60 hz vs 27" 1440p 144hz???
viral horizon
when it comes to psu, is it being modular good or bad?
lyric thistle
neither
viral horizon
so then what does it mean?
lyric thistle
it means a modular psu is modular, and a non-modular psu is not
viral horizon
so then it doesnt matter whether its modular or not
ok
also, what does 80+ gold, bronze, silver, or whatever mean?
lyric thistle
if you want less cables to deal with, go with modular
viral horizon
just that its less messy
primal linden
for those who don’t want all them cables around
lyric thistle
80 plus is just a loose standard of how much energy is not wasted
viral horizon
aight
so this is the only modular psu i found for the cheapest that also fits my build
V
and then heres the one that im going with thats non modular (its cheap by ten dollars and wont blow up like the thermalright power supplies)
so what do you guys think?
primal linden
did you check the psu tier list for the rosewill one
primal linden
yep
viral horizon
could you send me a link please
primal linden
viral horizon
thanks man
primal linden
shame I can’t trademark that
viral horizon
so the apevia prestige is a speculative low end C tier
but its a budget cheap psu so what do you expect
now for the rosewill
primal linden
what gpu will you use
viral horizon
primal linden
for a 6700 xt I don’t think a c tier is bad
viral horizon
yeah
i think im gonna stick with the apevia
because then i can also buy the windows key with it
i found one for only 20 bucks
and although i have an old laptop
primal linden
if you don’t care about the modularity and stuff then dew it
viral horizon
yeah
viral horizon
and although i have an old laptop
i wanna keep it for work, or even let my family use it as a home computer
or even sell it maybe for around a hundred bucks
if you wanna see the specs here they are:
nothing good
pretty crappy for gaming
primal linden
usable atleast
primal linden
is the ddr5 for future proofing
primal linden
makes sense
viral horizon
i mean it seemed alright
primal linden
it’s harder to change ram then other parts so
primal linden
yeah ik
primal linden
ok
viral horizon
the cpu (ryzen 5 7600)
and my gpu
but im pretty hopeful
ill probably get the cpu for my birthday
primal linden
noice
viral horizon
and i can use my pc then somewhat since it has igpu
not for full scale gaming but still
then finally i get the graphics card
bam
im gonna go now
primal linden
ok
primal linden
you too
obsidian wigeon
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZFsYgB
i'd do this instead
no need for b550 boards since a520 will do the job just perfectly fine for 5600
ram also doesn't need to be cl16, just keep it at 3600 and it's gud
limber oyster
Doesn't b550 have better support tho?
limber oyster
A520 is newer than b550 which is newer than x570?
And also, I don't mind old CPU. It's just for mainly Warframe
It's just a travel PC, not a main pc
potent portal
A520 is newer than b550 which is newer than x570?
Correct
limber oyster
So....I should swap out my Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi x570 for a a520...got it
I'm joking fyi
potent portal
Yes, do that. You probably won't notice any difference but newer is better right?
potent portal
Nah you gotta get the new new 12VHPWR connector
burnt stratus
obsidian wigeon
a520 looks like a downgrade but really, it's fine
the vrms are okay enough
especially paired with low power cpu
i get that you don't mind old cpu, but i'd say it's best to optimize budget for the best parts you could get anyway
thorn mural
is this a good power supply?
EVGA SuperNOVA 650w G1 80+ gold
I only see the G1+ series on the psu tier list not G1
potent portal
I only see the G1+ series on the psu tier list not G1
That's because the G1 is over 10 years old, launched 2013. The product page states it's compatible with Intel 4th gen.
It being that old of a model is an automatic F tier.
Reason being old designs like that won't have up to date standards on parts and protections. If you overload it with a modern GPU it might literally explode.
lyric thistle
what if you overload it with an ancient gpu 
potent portal
What single ancient GPU would overload a 650W power supply
The top GPU that year was the 780 ti after all
lyric thistle
the one with a cpu that gets it up there
potent portal
Ok well the 780 ti used 250W so what desktop CPU from 2013 is going to use more than 400W
potent portal
Dual Xeon E5-2687W would be 300W
And that's assuming you can load all 32 threads with a NUMA aware program
leaden mauve
the tiering system definitely has its flaws
listing every "old" PSU as even worse than a genuine fire hazard concern is a flaw.
i guess its a better system than just following efficiency ratings alone like some people still do lol
thorn mural
Reason being old designs like that won't have up to date standards on parts and ...
OK wow i'll pass on it then
Thank you for doing that extra research bit
leaden mauve
EVGA SuperNOVA 650w G1 80+ gold
what will you be pairing it with
leaden mauve
yea, you'd be fine unless the power supply had a really tough life lol. id ask the seller what it was used in/for
how much is the dude selling it for
thorn mural
i mean at that point the seller cant even be blamed if something has a mechanical failure bc of age
its just a risk associated with going used
little osprey
Am I supposed to mount the radiator in the blue highlighted area? Because that’s where I have my fans mounted currently
manic cloak
For 429.99 https://www.microcenter.com/product/668693/gateway-156-fhd-gaming-not...
This laptop any good?
I mean ya like basic games like roblox or even minecraft, steam games like terraria or even on the go very low settings fort 💀
But I’ll likely have it as a school/work computer, so idk if it’s worth at that price
manic cloak
Am I supposed to mount the radiator in the blue highlighted area? Because that’s...
Yup
Or well behind those fan brackets, it looks like a wall inside the case. That’s where the radiator goes
little osprey
Yeah that’s where I got some fans right now, was hoping I wasn’t gonna have to remove them but whatever
Gotta clean the old paste off anyways
little osprey
But I’ll likely have it as a school/work computer, so idk if it’s worth at that ...
Doesn’t seem terrible actually
mossy venture
Gateway has a lot of issues from what I've heard
little osprey
Buddy of mine was playing War Thunder and DCS on a desktop 3050 just fine
mossy venture
But id imagine that's the best you'd get for the price
manic cloak
True @mossy venture cause I was looking at reviews and there was a bit of.. not working and etc
unreal isle
i mean, did you take off the front panel properly
Screws inside the case
Unless I put the fans on the wrong side?
dusky hearth
Normally you would put the fans on the other side
Yeah
Lmao
I see why it was difficult
You don't have to move them, this still works
Well, if you have a solid front panel, you want to move them
Because they won't be getting any air
If it's mesh, then you're good
unreal isle
It’s mesh. FD north is amazing
unreal isle
That’s how the stock ones were anyway 😁
lethal tapir
That looks interesting but it seems like a huge pain to hook up
How was installation
unreal isle
awful, the screws were hard to access
the cable holes were on that side of the bracket though
Looks cool though, so it was worth
ebon matrix
Please help there is this small little gap and I won’t let me screw the top part from the motherboard to case
Hold up let me send thte case and motherboard
Msi mpg z490 gaming plus
Icue 4000x rgb
dusky hearth
you don't have your mobo inserted correctly then
ebon matrix
How
I literally pushed it against the thing for the io
All the standoffs are in place
ebon matrix
Idk
dusky hearth
corsair's 4000x cases are generally pretty good
dusky hearth
likely the case. mobo doesn't really get this kind of issue
if the case was dropped of whatever it could have been damaged
but it looks normal to me
dusky hearth
show me an image of the mobo just for me to see if there's anything wrong
ebon matrix
Of ik?
dusky hearth
specifically of around the IO plate area
ebon matrix
Io
dusky hearth
send one of the entire mobo and one or 2 of the io area at different angles
dusky hearth
i meant 2 io plate images at different angles, but anyways, comparing it with the manuf images, it looks within spec
ebon matrix
Ok
mossy venture
Completely off topic, but what cpu is that?
ebon matrix
I5 10400f
mossy venture
Ah alr
mossy venture
Can you send one other picture of the mobo top down, but more centered on the io?
dusky hearth
nah, likely to be like, ziptie points for cable management on the other side
mossy venture
Yeah it looks fine, id try to like it up again and see if there's anything obvious thats in the way, maybe the top of the mobo isn't even with the case or something along those lines
ebon matrix
Ok