Seems fair
#building-and-recc-chat
fossil cedar
mossy venture
ehh, 5300g for warzone 2 getting 60-80 fps doesn't seem unreasonable
fossil cedar
ehh, 5300g for warzone 2 getting 60-80 fps doesn't seem unreasonable
5300g is basically 3300x perf, which is basically 3600 perf, obvs I had dlss and oc'd ram but i got around 110? With the 3060ti. On my setup 1440p mostly low with dlss
(dlss helps a bit in cpu bound scenarios)
mossy venture
the core count though, warzone 2 likes more than 4 cores
heady vapor
quick question
mossy venture
Possibly quick answer
heady vapor
does it matter which nvme slot i put my memory sticks in
mossy venture
Uhh
heady vapor
I got a 990 m.2 which is better than my other one
heady vapor
yea
heady vapor
okay
my 990 has a heat sink already though
so i might put it in the second slot and put my worst m.2 2TB in the one you recommended
mossy venture
As long as it's a gen 4 slot then you're good
teal dome
yo guys is this decent ram? Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
@mossy venture
cyan ravine
Ye
mossy venture
yeah it's fine
teal dome
ok
mossy venture
would see maybe a 5% boost in perf from 3600c18 on a 5000 series cpu
compared side to side you wouldn't notice it, especially with a 6700xt in most scenarios
teal dome
might as well go 32 gigs for 5 dollars more
cyan ravine
can run modern titles?
Yes yes yes
primal linden
whats the offer
primal linden
if you want you can save a bit and get the 5600g
you lose a bit of performance tho
cyan ravine
Quite a bit lol
teal dome
how much performance
potent portal
You lose a whole generation's worth of performance
primal linden
wow
teal dome
damn
primal linden
did not know
cyan ravine
Yeah
teal dome
imma go with a 5600
primal linden
yeah get the 5600
cyan ravine
It's more like 3600x, the 5600g
potent portal
5600g is comparable to the 3600
primal linden
gyad
potent portal
Yeah
primal linden
dayum
teal dome
the deal for the 6700xt was so good i even got a free corsair keyboard and a mouse
cyan ravine
Boi is shopping like a champ 👍
primal linden
nah wrd
potent portal
Normally I'd say "ew corsair" but free is free
primal linden
the keyboard is a huge upgrade because i use plastic keyboard <:PepeHands:968900...
do you have access to a micro center
teal dome
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ list rn idk what else i can cheap out on
potent portal
Wrong link
primal linden
yes
teal dome
should i get a cooler or just not needed?
teal dome
how much is the mobo
85
primal linden
ok
potent portal
No need for an extra cooler on the 5600
teal dome
No need for an extra cooler on the 5600
you sure? the temps are gonna be fine?
primal linden
should i get a cooler or just not needed?
5600 comes with a cooler but if you wanna spend the extra 20 bucks go for it
potent portal
Stock cooler is actually decent and the 5600 is really low power
teal dome
also is the ram even overclockable?
teal dome
are you gonna get monitor too
my brother said he can buy for me 🎉
potent portal
also is the ram even overclockable?
All ram can be overclocked on AMD platforms
teal dome
All ram can be overclocked on AMD platforms
will it be higher than 3200?
i dont think so right
primal linden
AMD=overclock
potent portal
How much it can be overclocked is the only question, and depends on luck
3600 is easy for most kits rated 3200
teal dome
How much it can be overclocked is the only question, and depends on luck
im not expert and its my first build i dont wanna mess up
if you suggest not to overclock ill not
what does ram speeds even do?
primal linden
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZJykJ added mobo and ssd prices
teal dome
i know higher the better but like
teal dome
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZJykJ added mobo and ssd prices
it was already there for me tho
potent portal
On AMD the ram speed also controls the infinity fabric speed, which is how each core talks to the others. The faster they can talk and read data from memory, the faster the processor.
primal linden
infinity fabric is the coolest thing i've heard today
teal dome
the faster the processor the faster the processes?
potent portal
Basically
teal dome
aight
primal linden
ok
teal dome
so what do you think of the build is there other way i can cheap out on anything
primal linden
its pretty good rn
cyan ravine
Nah
teal dome
white or black case? depending on the build so far
cyan ravine
We've basically cheaped it as cheap as possible
cyan ravine
Unless you need wifi
cyan ravine
Then yeah it's cheaped as much as cheap gets
primal linden
you can buy it later on if you get tired of having it plugged into your pc
primal linden
i might need me one of those
cyan ravine
We could go lower? But you'd make huge sacrifices to performance so we aren't suggesting it
cyan ravine
Psu is the cheapest nicest
teal dome
yeah imma keep it
primal linden
alr
teal dome
also white or black case?
cyan ravine
Up to u my guy
primal linden
wrd
potent portal
If you're worried about long ethernet cable runs (tripping, pets, etc) powerline ethernet adapters are really useful
cyan ravine
I prefer white
primal linden
did you buy the exact xfx one
mossy venture
only thing could go cheaper on is cpu and mobo, like 12100f and h610, but with a 6700xt at 1080p that'd not be the best
teal dome
its swft xfs
primal linden
well its black
teal dome
only thing could go cheaper on is cpu and mobo, like 12100f and h610, but with a...
naw im good ill keep it at that
cyan ravine
Have fun guys I'm out 
teal dome
im bad at choosing
primal linden
ok
teal dome
also is the cpu decent price rn or will it go lower
primal linden
is the ram rgb
teal dome
is the ram rgb
sadly not, if i do rgb the cost will go up
primal linden
also is the cpu decent price rn or will it go lower
i think its been lower
potent portal
You can put it in the case and see if you like it, and if not it's easy and cheap to make the shroud white. Just get plasti-dip or spray paint.
teal dome
You can put it in the case and see if you like it, and if not it's easy and chea...
aight ill get white
primal linden
well most of your stuff like ram and mobo and even psu is black
so you could get white
just to not make everything one color
but if you want everything to match
then get black
teal dome
white stands out more and ill prob get extensions later
mossy venture
i really like my black and white build
one sec ill send a picture, my cable management is awful though
teal dome
ok
primal linden
omg bacca setup sui
teal dome
whats your build?
mossy venture
It's not the best pic but
My camera picks up lights like that weirdly
13600k 3060 ti
teal dome
13600k 3060 ti
i5?
primal linden
phanteks w
mossy venture
one min
teal dome
true but i want smaller case
primal linden
oh
mossy venture
thats nice but yeah the cable management 💀
This is my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WY4F9r
teal dome
This is my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WY4F9r
thats a lot of storage
primal linden
pretty rad
mossy venture
I've got more too I just don't really use it, I got a 1tb m450 for $25 I gotta put in, and a 2tb external ssd for $60 for my laptop
I got it on sale on amazon
primal linden
nice
mossy venture
i might remove the hdd and go all ssd storage with the external and that m450
teal dome
yeha prob
viral horizon
i might remove the hdd and go all ssd storage with the external and that m450
if your wanting to have faster speeds, i guess ssds would be nice
but if you just want cheap storage go with hdds
analog hearth
but if you just want cheap storage go with hdds
They cost about the same now days
lethal tapir
I'll sell it to ya
cyan ravine
Eh I live in Aus my guy
It's prolly gonna cost like 6000 in shipping
Dw about it
lethal tapir
That's okay I'll come watch Geelong at the footie
lethal tapir
Dang
cyan ravine
Damn now I want a steel legend
lethal tapir
But thanks
cyan ravine
Really cool keycap
lethal tapir
Dude I'm seriously tempted to get a steel legend card just to fit the theme
lethal tapir
Plus idk if a triple fan badass gpu is worth pairing with an i3 12
The 6600 is great 👍
I bet I could just print a steel legend theme shell for it
cyan ravine
Yeah best to leave that as it is, 6600 and i3 💀
earnest olive
Plus idk if a triple fan badass gpu is worth pairing with an i3 12
i had an i3-12100 paired with a 3090 strix
what about it
lethal tapir
Nothings wrong per se but I guess it just seems lopsided
lethal tapir
Very cool 😎
earnest olive
where's the bottleneck
lethal tapir
/shrug I dunno I guess the i312 is just easy to underestimate
earnest olive
it was actually pretty good in games thanks to well tuned ram
kept up with the 3090 surprisingly well
lethal tapir
That's what everyone was saying around the time I bought it
lethal tapir
I think the L1 12th Gen review sold me on it
earnest olive
definitely not a pairing i would actually recommend though lol
it was a temporary cpu
mossy venture
12100f won't be cooled unless you use a contact frame and an lf2 420mm
strong raft
5+ ghz 12100 would go brrrtttt. At higher voltages/heat, $9 contact frame definitely helps. Although, got 1 holding my cpu(s).
lethal tapir
It's a very minor QoL upgrade why not
And bent is bent
Plus it's a e s t h e t i c
earnest olive
i mean they're not that expensive
but yeah not necessary at all
still more reasonable than the people putting super expensive corsair fans into budget builds
saw someone with a 9600K who got corsair fans instead of a gpu
$250 worth of corsair fans and intel igpu
true gaming
mossy venture
saw someone with a 9600K who got corsair fans instead of a gpu
Obviously more fans equals better graphics
My pc case is just fans
40 fans all super glued together
earnest olive
gotta get all the fans to cool down the components you don't have because you spent all the money on fans instead
felix doesn't count he's rich
little osprey
Hey, What drivers do i need to get without a doubt. I have the B650E Tiachi with 7900xtx. I use corsair Icue Link fans with there AIO.
I wouldnt download asrock fan control since i would be using Icue correct?
lethal tapir
I built my first PC with corsair but didn't know what it was I was buying into
mossy venture
Hey, What drivers do i need to get without a doubt. I have the B650E Tiachi with...
Motherboard doesn't have anything to do with gpu
potent portal
Hey, What drivers do i need to get without a doubt. I have the B650E Tiachi with...
All you technically need would be the AMD chipset and GPU drivers. Maybe WiFi if you got a WiFi model.
You can get both from the AMD website
pseudo pollen
Just making sure this isn't a complete waste of my money? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Dw7TY (compare to the build in my bio)
I wanted a system that ran cooler with more cores + more storage, so I just upgraded the parts that needed to be upgraded
mossy venture
Just making sure this isn't a complete waste of my money? https://pcpartpicker.c...
What're you using the pc for?
pseudo pollen
gaming, video editing, and 3d rendering
mossy venture
Also if you purchased everything does it matter?
pseudo pollen
I just marked it as purchased.
pseudo pollen
Keep in mind that I have everything but the cpu, ud90, case, and fans
pseudo pollen
those are just upgrades to my original build that I made a bit over a year and a half ago
mossy venture
670p should be very similar to the ud90 for less
pseudo pollen
speeds are not even close lol
mossy venture
P12 max have some issues with noise at high speeds
I wouldnt recc them over c12c or regular p12s
mossy venture
speeds are not even close lol
Wait is ud90 gen 4?
pseudo pollen
yeah
pseudo pollen
about 5000mb/s on both read and write
mossy venture
Is p41 plus still $70 actually?
mossy venture
about 5000mb/s on both read and write
It wouldn't sustain speeds that high idt
Like 980 pro technichally faster than some ssds that beat it
pseudo pollen
I was going to go for the xs70, but recently they've been swapping the controller
and some other things would've just been a waste of money for almost no performance gain
pseudo pollen
P12 max have some issues with noise at high speeds
Reviews say that at lower rpms, it basically matches the t30 in cfm performance, while being at a lower volume
My parts don't require too much cooling, so it's overkill as it is.
mossy venture
Ah so you'll manually set the rpm?
pseudo pollen
fan curve, yes
mossy venture
Still wouldn't really change anything compared to c12c and p12, but its up to you, either way will be fine
Case is fine, if you're fine with bigger there's some fractal design cases with a similar look that are nicer (focus 2)
And a couple others but that's the only name I remember
mossy venture
I guess I really need to do my research lmao
pseudo pollen
my main problem is that you can see the psu, and it's harder to cable manage
mossy venture
Do you care about size?
pseudo pollen
plus there are no fans going directly into the gpu, only space for 2 at the front
yea
pseudo pollen
well, size matters, but not the main factor
it's mostly the layout of the case and the features it has
mossy venture
plus there are no fans going directly into the gpu, only space for 2 at the fron...
That's fine, a 3070 would be fine with a single fan in that case
Even in rendering and similar workloads
List looks really solid
pseudo pollen
It still runs a little hot for my liking (I know 70c isn't that high but it's just me)
mossy venture
Imo it's worth the extra for the 13600kf at $287 (unless qsv would be useful for you then 13600k is closer to $317 I think)
pseudo pollen
It's practically useless for me if I don't upgrade the mobo
mossy venture
B660-a wifi has pretty solid vrms, wdym?
pseudo pollen
it's a locked board, correct?
mossy venture
And worst case scenario throw a bit of a uv on and it'll perform better
Yeah
There's more of a difference between the two than just overclocking
mossy venture
Fair point, same vrms though
pseudo pollen
True
mossy venture
I forget there's a non wifi version of that mobo
pseudo pollen
I bought this pc in early 2022
mossy venture
One sec lemme check smthn
pseudo pollen
alr
mossy venture
Almost a 6k point diff for multi core perf https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5008vs4993/Intel-i5-13600K-vs-Intel-i5-13500
But again, $70 diff if you benefit from igpu, so eh
Could go either way
It's also hotter, but should be fine under that cooler
pseudo pollen
I should've bought the 13500 when it was $210 a while back
mossy venture
But since heat is a factor for you it is something to consider
14th gen I believe is releasing this year
pseudo pollen
I did want to buy those 7 fans for a reason
pseudo pollen
It's probably not going to be too noticeable performance difference imo
like the jump from 12th-13th
mossy venture
Ehhh
mossy venture
12400f to 13500/1 3600k is pretty noticeably for multi core loads
mossy venture
If the workstation tasks are more of a secondary use and not super important then I'd upgrade gpu instead of cpu
mossy venture
compare 12400/13400
A big thing about 13th gen is it likes ddr5
pseudo pollen
Gaming is completely fine though, it's just the video editing that's sluggish
mossy venture
Can be over a 10% difference from d4-5 at times
pseudo pollen
Notice the "at times"
mossy venture
But it's not really worth changing mobo and ram, unless you can sell them for similar cost
pseudo pollen
not a good enough jump for me to want to upgrade mobo and ram
mossy venture
Notice the "at times"
I mean, it still makes a noticeable difference even when it isn't over 10%
pseudo pollen
10 fps isn't all that much to me
if it's the difference from 100 fps to 115, then It's not worth it
mossy venture
Could possibly also find 12700k used for less than that 13500
pseudo pollen
I tried, no luck.
mossy venture
F
pseudo pollen
there are engineering samples
mossy venture
pseudo pollen
but I'd rather not go for that
mossy venture
12400f to 13400f wouldn't really be worth imo
pseudo pollen
that's why I spent the extra $50 for the 13500
mossy venture
Yeah your list looks good, just up to you if you go 13500 or 13600k
mossy venture
12700kf actuallt beats 13500 in multi core
pseudo pollen
not enough for me to go used
mossy venture
Yeah true
pseudo pollen
the 13500 can go to 120w iirc though
mossy venture
Thats ntb at all
My 13600k pulled 315w at stock lol, but that was my mobo feeding it over 1.4v for no reason
pseudo pollen
Yeah, that's not the best thing to happen
mossy venture
Manually setting the voltage to a reasonable number brought it down to 245w or so max
pseudo pollen
still far above the 13500
pseudo pollen
well I appreciate the help, now I need to plan out how I'm going to cable manage this thing
mossy venture
My cable management is laughable lol
pseudo pollen
You haven't seen mine lol
pseudo pollen
arctic fans are so annoying to cable manage
mossy venture
My last build was a lot worse, somehow
pseudo pollen
mossy venture
@honest knot has a 13600k he might be able to weigh in on that btw
pseudo pollen
not my fault
mossy venture
I made so many stupid mistakes, I put my mobo in without putting the io cover on
And then had to take it off to put it in
mossy venture
I felt a ping
Hey, do you know what your 13600k pulls under multi core loads?
honest knot
And then had to take it off to put it in
Isn't that common?
teal dome
I thought he had a 12600k
honest knot
Hey, do you know what your 13600k pulls under multi core loads?
Temps?
mossy venture
Isn't that common?
Idk I felt really stupid when I did it
honest knot
Hmmm
honest knot
Iirc it can pull up to 200w when I first got it
mossy venture
That checks out
honest knot
With some tweaks n such I brung it down to <170w
pseudo pollen
alr, thanks
mossy venture
With some tweaks n such I brung it down to <170w
Ty for the input
honest knot
No problem
tawdry lance
I was setting up Debian and during the install the PC shutdown and won't turn back on. Not sure what to do to fix it. Any advice?
mossy venture
What psu and gpu do you have?
mossy venture
Hm, id check connections
tawdry lance
Idk, if it helps when I click the power button I hear the usual click, but the power on LED and fans do not turn on
I checked the connections. there are only two psu cables used, so nothing looks like it is not connected
I think I might have just got a bad psu, since I did heard an audible click when it randomly shutdown, but I am not 100 percent.
mossy venture
I think I might have just got a bad psu, since I did heard an audible click when...
Yeah that sounds like psu
Don't keep trying to turn it on
tawdry lance
Should I just return it to amazon or try to RMA to EVGA?
tawdry lance
I think 85 usd
tawdry lance
United states
mossy venture
tawdry lance
Is it worth doing the rebate?
I mean money back, but the process can take quite a while
mossy venture
Ahh didn't realize it was a rebate
The next best option though is a same quality psu, lower wattage and same price as before the rebate I think
I'll double check though
mossy venture
I mean money back, but the process can take quite a while
This is good https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3ZzhP6/lian-li-sp-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-sfx-power-supply-sp750
Better quality than the phanteks one by a bit, they're not far off eachother though
Still overkill but the only other "decent" option is a $115 450w evga GM, which is a bit worse than the lian SP for the same price
If it were cheaper than the sp I'd say go for it, but not worth
tawdry lance
Might just get the phantek since without rebate it is 100 usd on amazon
burnt stratus
This is good https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3ZzhP6/lian-li-sp-750-w-80-gold-ce...
The Corsair 2021 rm850 is also good
tawdry lance
I do not think rm850 is sfx
mossy venture
The Corsair 2021 rm850 is also good
They need sfx
burnt stratus
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
that makes sense
ok ignore my suggestion i thought it was just reccomending PSU's
lilac umbra
What do you think this PC's Price should be? Please give me your suggested Price 🙂
-Intel i7 9700 CPU 3.00 GHZ
-MSI RTX 3060TI
-32 GB of DDR4 Ram
-Windows 11
-750 Wat Power Supply
Omen Gaming PC
obsidian wigeon
$500-600 at best
i doubt it's even worth 600
500 would be the limit with such old cpu
potent portal
That i7 in particular is 5 years old
obsidian wigeon
nope
potent portal
Nah don't buy that, a pc with a 12100 would be cheaper and game better
obsidian wigeon
you could get brand new build with better cpu and similar gpu for $600
lilac umbra
@obsidian wigeon Do you mind sending me a pc that is a lot better for a budget of $600-$800?
obsidian wigeon
if you're willing to build, i'd suggest you to do so
potent portal
Building it or already built? US?
lilac umbra
Building it or already built? US?
Both
lilac umbra
if you're willing to build, i'd suggest you to do so
Please do
lilac umbra
if not i can help you hunt for prebuilts, are you in the us?
Yes
Both Prebuilt and I can build myself ❤️
obsidian wigeon
alright, so we'll be building a new pc
lilac umbra
You guys are awesome
obsidian wigeon
$800 is the most you're willing to spend so we'll stick with it
lilac umbra
$800 is the most you're willing to spend so we'll stick with it
Highest is $900 ❤️
obsidian wigeon
ah
lilac umbra
Thank you
zenith cargo
if I buy a better router for my wifi will the connection improve?
lilac umbra
so 900 it is?
Yes
obsidian wigeon
kk
lilac umbra
if I buy a better router for my wifi will the connection improve?
Yes, but ethernet is best
potent portal
if I buy a better router for my wifi will the connection improve?
Maybe, it depends on a lot of factors
zenith cargo
my pc good but for the rest of the devices in my home its not good
lilac umbra
my pc good but for the rest of the devices in my home its not good
It all depends how far it is from your pc, and pcs usually have better configuration
Best if you use
5G instead of 2.4 if your close to it
potent portal
my pc good but for the rest of the devices in my home its not good
Do your other devices get better speeds when you're closer to the router?
If yes, a better router might help, maybe.
If no, there's other factors at play.
obsidian wigeon
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nGdrVW @lilac umbra
Dab smack at $899
MSI's rebate is easy, they offer online rebate
If you don't want rebate I can do something
oop, forgot cpu cooler but stock is doable
lilac umbra
oop, forgot cpu cooler but stock is doable
Damn your good at this
Do you have anything prebuilt?
Like NVIDIA Graphics Card with a Intel CPu?
potent portal
Nvidia is not worth the extra cost, except at the high end. Which this is not.
obsidian wigeon
^
prebuilts that are $900 doesn't have gpu better than 3060
which the 6700 leads over
potent portal
Intel also doesn't have a great competitor for the same price as AMD right now, the 7600 competes with the 13600k which is $100 more
earnest olive
am i missing something? didn't he say he can buy a 3060ti prebuilt for 600?
potent portal
With a 9700
earnest olive
omen uses standard power supplies and mobo mounts
obsidian wigeon
lilac umbra
omen uses standard power supplies and mobo mounts
-Intel i7 9700 CPU 3.00 GHZ
-MSI RTX 3060TI
-32 GB of DDR4 Ram
-Windows 11
-750 Wat Power Supply
Omen Gaming PC
obsidian wigeon
but it's got a 9700
lilac umbra
This is what am using
lilac umbra
@obsidian wigeon Whats the difference between i5-13k and a i7 9k?
obsidian wigeon
there's so many different omens
earnest olive
$900 part list is 1k after sales tax
obsidian wigeon
the i5 is much faster
earnest olive
wait huh
potent portal
I misread that
earnest olive
ah
lilac umbra
This is it in Amazon
obsidian wigeon
yeah that one ain't got standard parts
obsidian wigeon
the obelisk is purely oem
potent portal
The 3060 ti is the only thing in that worth saving
obsidian wigeon
i'd pull 3060ti out of the omen and plop it into new rig
cut the 6700 out of my list
potent portal
lol great minds amiright
obsidian wigeon
and then you save money
potent portal
Oh and maybe salvage the storage too
earnest olive
not worth buying a whole rig just for a 3060ti at this point
gpu shortage is over lol
obsidian wigeon
but this is what they already have
lilac umbra
@obsidian wigeon @potent portal @earnest olive Would you suggest a prebuilt? You guys seem to know what your doing and am clueless. It would be awesome if you can provide me with some options it would be awesome ❤️ Am looking to spend a MAX of $900, and would prefer Intel and NVIDIA products since am used to them
obsidian wigeon
why not reuse the 3060ti? it's still perfectly good
earnest olive
he says he has a 3060 and he wants to buy a rig with a 3060ti? or am i misunderstanding
lilac umbra
why not reuse the 3060ti? it's still perfectly good
Looking for a second rig, just wondering what the sale price is
obsidian wigeon
ah
lilac umbra
on the current one
mossy venture
For $900 the best you'd get in a pre built would be a 4060
potent portal
You could sell the 3060 ti for $200 and use that money to extend the budget
obsidian wigeon
well, then we have the lists we made
viral hatch
Do yall have any idea why corsair ram doesn't seamlessly work with Aura Sync?...
mossy venture
Which is not worth
viral hatch
Its very odd
obsidian wigeon
try openrgb
earnest olive
<@214044000556941312> <@396513761550270464> <@122901618369757184> Would you sugg...
you 100% will not notice the difference between intel and amd cpus as a casual user
mossy venture
For $900 the best you'd get in a pre built would be a 4060
With a 13400f
lilac umbra
well, then we have the lists we made
If you can dm me, that would be awesome
earnest olive
amd and nvidia gpus you may notice a difference, but intel vs amd cpu shouldn't matter
earnest olive
well, then we have the lists we made
those aren't prebuilts
obsidian wigeon
lilac umbra
you 100% will not notice the difference between intel and amd cpus as a casual u...
Am looking to play games that are FPS focused, such as Rust, counter strike
obsidian wigeon
Save this in a bookmark or something
earnest olive
Am looking to play games that are FPS focused, such as Rust, counter strike
and?
viral hatch
Im gonna switch to some trident z rgb ram since it works with aura sync
Corsair is annoying ah software
potent portal
Sell 3060 ti, buy used 3080, problem solved
earnest olive
Im gonna switch to some trident z rgb ram since it works with aura sync
openrgb works on corsair ram
lilac umbra
Save this in a bookmark or something
I dont got too much time on my hands to built one rn ❤️
obsidian wigeon
Mmm, alright
mossy venture
Itd take at most 4 hours
lilac umbra
and?
Your the one with the brains, just looking for something that is high in performance ❤️
cyan ravine
Im gonna switch to some trident z rgb ram since it works with aura sync
You'd be spending ddr5 money to do that, not really worth it
mossy venture
That's on the high estimate
cyan ravine
Just use openrgb
earnest olive
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883630027 this looks like decent value for the specs as for as a prebuilt goes i think
viral hatch
openrgb works on corsair ram
Yeah, but wouldn't the increased rgb software just increase background activity?
cyan ravine
Openrgb is super light
earnest olive
Yeah, but wouldn't the increased rgb software just increase background activity?
openrgb is much lighter than aura sync lol
viral hatch
You'd be spending ddr5 money to do that, not really worth it
Well I mean I am within return time
obsidian wigeon
that's about as decent as it gets
viral hatch
oh shoot
earnest olive
openrgb can also handle the rest of your system
cyan ravine
Yeah it's better than aura
obsidian wigeon
cpu a tad too old for my liking but it's okay
mossy venture
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883630027 this looks like decent value for the sp...
Yeah that doesn't look bad
mossy venture
Doesn't mention anything about psu, would probably want to check it and possibly replace it
viral hatch
Ill take a look real quick
lilac umbra
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883630027 this looks like decent value for the sp...
This is awesome, do you have any other options I can take a look at?
potent portal
Hmm, wonder what I'm at. I've got my LEDs to change according to CPU/GPU temp so I have a couple plugins.
earnest olive
almost like there's a reason i'm shilling openrgb
viral hatch
I have Aura Sync AND Icue since Corsair RGB Software needs some drivers to pair with aura sync
earnest olive
lol
potent portal
lol
viral hatch
300*
cyan ravine
Icue is the funniest when it comes to ram
cyan ravine
It works like, half the time
earnest olive
when i tried icue it was using 20% cpu and 1gb ram to control 3 effects on a single keyboard
viral hatch
Im getting open rgb ASAP
earnest olive
20% of a 5800x
to control like 102 leds?
openrgb is doing it with 0% of a 13700k
obsidian wigeon
im waiting for 23h2 w11
viral hatch
Jesus
viral hatch
Yeah man... Im gonna grab Open RGB
obsidian wigeon
ms partnered up with basically everyone
potent portal
that version is gonna come with built in rgb controls
Yay can't wait for that to conflict with everything
earnest olive
This is awesome, do you have any other options I can take a look at?
as far as i can tell the other options at the moment are just worse
obsidian wigeon
Yay can't wait for that to conflict with everything
just uninstall your rgb crapwares smh smh
ms totally won't break it
viral hatch
Id imagine the issue comes with multiple RGB Softwares
earnest olive
this is everything that passed the filter
earnest olive
openrgb should be able to replace aura sync and icue for you
potent portal
Can the MS controls change my ram color according to CPU temp and my GPU colors according to GPU temps
viral hatch
alright amazing
potent portal
We'll have to wait and see I guess
earnest olive
openrgb can even be used on corsair peripherals lol
lilac umbra
as far as i can tell the other options at the moment are just worse
This is someone elses idea what do you think?
obsidian wigeon
nah
mossy venture
Not better, though psu might be
earnest olive
this may sound counterintuitive but the 4060 is worse than the 3060ti
mossy venture
By a lot
obsidian wigeon
cpu better but gpu worse
earnest olive
the i5-11400f is also strong enough that the difference is meaningless with these gpus
obsidian wigeon
4060 is as fast as 3060
earnest olive
i5-11400f will not hold back a 3060ti
obsidian wigeon
which is sad
viral hatch
i5-11400f will not hold back a 3060ti
Personal experience over here
earnest olive
this 4060 rig does have a better case (though it's kind of ugly imo)
viral hatch
But a 3060 instead
lilac umbra
this may sound counterintuitive but the 4060 is worse than the 3060ti
So this is bad?
earnest olive
Personal experience over here
me using an i3-12100 with a 3090:
viral hatch
me using an i3-12100 with a 3090:
HELL
earnest olive
So this is bad?
it's not terrible but i think the one i sent before is better
earnest olive
unless you only play games that support frame gen and you want to use frame gen
but you already said what you wanted to play
so that's not the case
obsidian wigeon
i own 40 series
but in laptop form and lowest tier
it's honestly decent for me
earnest olive
oh nooo i'm 10% cpu bottlenecked at 269 fps 😦
obsidian wigeon
1080 desktop perf
earnest olive
I think I should upgrade to 7900xtx I heard radeon drivers have less cpu overhead!
obsidian wigeon
i like intel's new perf monitor osd but god is it huge
mossy venture
"cpu too weak need the 7900"
Safi
earnest olive
i3-12100 + 7900xtx will fix the bottleneck
mossy venture
For 500
obsidian wigeon
takes up an entire chunk of the screen
obsidian wigeon
i don't wanna use afterburner cuz im lazy and always leave it on
it wastes battery
cuz the 4050 keeps waking up
jagged ember
I really don't miss that 3090 lol
jesus christ 384W
earnest olive
it was a beast of a card... but not in the good way
jagged ember
i don't wanna use afterburner cuz im lazy and always leave it on
yeah it keeps pinging gpu
earnest olive
jesus christ 384W
it's not even at 100% usage lol
that card would hit 600W before thermal throttling if I pushed it hard enough
obsidian wigeon
once i uninstall afterburner
earnest olive
but it would be power throttling so hard at 550w
obsidian wigeon
batt lasts so much longer
jagged ember
maybe i should on my laptop too
earnest olive
550w was not even enough to sustain 1.000V
jagged ember
lemme do it
obsidian wigeon
4090 more like
earnest olive
nah
obsidian wigeon
(joke)
obsidian wigeon
ye
earnest olive
I mean they kinda do
viral hatch
like
viral hatch
wouldnt an i3 13th gen perform better than an old old i7 or i9
earnest olive
it gets kinda weird in the laptop space
cyan ravine
For gaming is matters very little tho yeah
earnest olive
yes
cyan ravine
wouldnt an i3 13th gen perform better than an old old i7 or i9
Ye
potent portal
They matter as far as market segmentation but as far as gaming performance it gets very blurry
viral hatch
Well yeah within the same generation it would be a huge diff id imagine
earnest olive
i3-13100 will beat i9-11900K in more games than you'd expect
viral hatch
fr?!
potent portal
yep
viral hatch
dang. learnnin stuff everyday
earnest olive
as long as the 11900K isn't well tuned lol
cyan ravine
I'd dare say in all recent times the i5's are generally perfectly good enough for most people
earnest olive
like left at stock with some pedestrian ddr4-3200
cyan ravine
Even now an 11600k still perfectly good
obsidian wigeon
supposedly i3 14th gen is receiving 6 p cores
earnest olive
if you push the 11900K to its limits it's got a lot of room to grow
viral hatch
3600 xmp with tightened timings works great for me
earnest olive
but then again, you could also bclk the i3-13100 for a fairer comparison
viral hatch
i don't even oc frequency atp
earnest olive
supposedly i3 14th gen is receiving 6 p cores
(still unconfirmed)
earnest olive
I think I've seen i5-13400f at like 5.3
earnest olive
That would be the goto atp
depends
they could find some weird way to segment it because intel
viral hatch
yeah-
earnest olive
inb4 6 p-cores but half the cache and you can't set gear mode
I mean tbh if there's really a 6p i3 then reduced cache is very likely
potent portal
"You want 6 cores?" Fine, you'll get nerfed 6 cores!
obsidian wigeon
like how amd does it with 7500f, not nerfed cpu but igpu cut
viral hatch
I use intel 
earnest olive
i mean, would be a good way to get rid of some silicon that might have 6 good cores but some defective cache that can't be sold as i5
earnest olive
also i don't think anyone would complain if there was a 6p i3 but using alder lake silicon
so basically rebranded 12400 lol
viral hatch
About Ryzen v Intel. Which side has better price to perf processors
I said intel initially
but then
he showed me a lot of ryzen processors
makes me regret getting intel at times
but intel isnt all bad
potent portal
It depends on the tier and what you're using it for
viral hatch
yeah
mossy venture
also i don't think anyone would complain if there was a 6p i3 but using alder la...
4p 4e also wouldn't be bad
viral hatch
Plus the talks about threadripper vs intel xeon processors
potent portal
7800X3D is a high end champ right now for what, $200 less than the 13900k and matches it?
viral hatch
7800X3D is a high end champ right now for what, $200 less than the 13900k and ma...
I was baffled
mossy venture
Extra cores for background tasks and such, and 4 p cores for gaming
viral hatch
Like what does intel think atp
earnest olive
when did you buy the i5-11400? there was a while where it was just better than the competing ryzen offering
remember when the 5600x was $300? lol
i remember
viral hatch
Well it actually came with the prebuilt i got for $300 off of some guy on offerup
had a 1660 ti
mossy venture
I remember when my friend was vying for a 5800x for his 3080 build at msrp
mossy venture
In like April of 2020 he somehow did a full 3080 5800x build for $1500
Maybe 1600?
mossy venture
Corsair 275r, I think rmx 750, 2tb ssd and 32gb ram, I don't remember aside from that
potent portal
I remember when my friend was vying for a 5800x for his 3080 build at msrp
Is your friend me
But a 3080 ti
mossy venture
I think a d15
earnest olive
i am not powerful enough to get a 3080 5 months before launch
mossy venture
Sorry 2021
viral hatch
Odd thought
I wonder if the coolers on Nvidia 5000 series if it ever happens will like
Have ridiculously large coolers
ATP a water block would be necessary to cool and even inser it
mossy venture
I mean... I doubt it beyond the high-end cards, and possibly just the 5090
potent portal
Hard to tell. Nvidia likes to keep final specs to the last minute. Even the partners didn't know what the final wattage would be on the 4090 so they all made super overkill coolers.
lilac umbra
Do you think this is bad 💀 @earnest olive https://www.newegg.com/acer-po3-640g-ur11-predator/p/N82E16883101889?Item=N82E16883101889
earnest olive
yes
mossy venture
That is very bad
earnest olive
acer is auto-avoid but also those specs are terrible for the price
3060 is a LOT weaker than 3060ti
mossy venture
Will game a lot worse than the 3060 ti and 11400f, is more expensive, and like sips said auto avoid
lilac umbra
@earnest olive If I buy the thing you said
earnest olive
like 50%
lilac umbra
What should I upgrade?
earnest olive
it's fine as is
earnest olive
didn't you say 900 max lol
mossy venture
The psu is questionable, it doesn't say anything about it unless I missed it
lilac umbra
didn't you say 900 max lol
Just seeing if an extra 50 would mean a lot
earnest olive
no
lilac umbra
Extra ram?
earnest olive
you could get 32gb ram or more storage
mossy venture
^
lilac umbra
you right
mossy venture
I would def check psu first imo, but if it's not a bomb then yeah I agree storage
lilac umbra
but that's up to you
If I removed the tempered glass
earnest olive
2tb nvmes are $66 now
lilac umbra
Badly?
earnest olive
probably positively in this case
lilac umbra
SHEEEE
earnest olive
i already closed it
lilac umbra
and 1 more question
how old are the parts
in question
i5 11th Gen 11400F?
How old is that?
earnest olive
2 gens
potent portal
Almost 3
mossy venture
Age doesn't really matter much
earnest olive
14th gen is barely a real gen lol
mossy venture
11400f is fine to pair with a 3080 at 1440p, I used a 3600 with a 3060 ti and the gpu was the limiting factor
And 3600 loses to the 11400f by a decent bit
potent portal
What barely a real gen is the next next gen, "core 9 ultra mega supreme" whatever BS they're doing
earnest olive
nah dude 14th gen is legit like 2% performance gain LOL
mossy venture
I wonder if imc is better
earnest olive
all they did is overclock it a little for you
mossy venture
Would be hilarious if it's worse
potent portal
Yeah I've been saying 5% on the high side, except the 14700k which will have 4 more e-cores
lilac umbra
I came in this server like 8 month ago, and I had a couple people help me pick a laptop
https://www.newegg.com/black-gigabyte-a5-k1-bus2150sb-gaming/p/N82E16834233510?Item=N82E16834233510
earnest olive
I wonder if imc is better
that's the one thing that could possibly make 14th gen still interesting
lilac umbra
You guys are the best ❤️
lilac umbra
This was my old pc that I bought for 1k, https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali587/p/N82E16883360222?Item=N82E16883360222
earnest olive
6.3ghz on core 0 and 4600 gear 1
mossy venture
that's the one thing that could possibly make 14th gen still interesting
Yeah im just curious to find out if it's Imc limiting ddr5 speeds or just ddr5
lilac umbra
@earnest olive Do you think the pc you suggested is better than the pc I bought a year ago and returned?
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali587/p/N82E16883360222?Item=N82E16883360222
earnest olive
3060ti is much stronger than 2060 yes
mossy venture
Because if it's imc it'll be fun to see what speeds it'll be able to run and if it'll make a noticeable difference in perf between tuned ram between 13th and 14th
Far better
lilac umbra
I bought that for 1k ❤️
mossy venture
Because if it's imc it'll be fun to see what speeds it'll be able to run and if ...
This wording is awful
I hope you understood what I was going for
earnest olive
yeah i understood
i wonder if they'll fix the thing where some 13th gen processors just have insane boot to boot variance and some don't
mossy venture
Wdym? Boot to boot variance as in sometimes a ram oc will be stable and just randomly itll bsod?
earnest olive
yes
earnest olive
d4
mossy venture
Ah that's annoying, if I ever do ram tune that's something to look forward to
potent portal
It's mostly an issue when you're pushing limits, if you err on the conservative side you're fine
little osprey
@earnest olive hey man, do you really think the pc is good for the price? I talked to some other people and most of them said it’s not worth it
obsidian wigeon
what pc?
mossy venture
It is the best you will get for anywhere near that price
obsidian wigeon
oh that yeyian
mossy venture
Your only other option is custom build
obsidian wigeon
it's as good as it gets for that price for prebuilts
earnest olive
ask them what they think is better lol
obsidian wigeon
people forgets that prebuilts won't be as good value as custom
little osprey
oh that yeyian
little osprey
ask them what they think is better lol
They said Amazon 💀💀💀💀
little osprey
It’s just other discord servers with 5k people or more
obsidian wigeon
ask if they can find something better
little osprey
ask them what they think is better
They said it’s because the cpu is worse and 500gb storage
obsidian wigeon
4060 is as fast as 3060
if not slower
yeah but would you rather have worse gpu?
with a cpu that's still capable
earnest olive
compare how much it costs to upgrade the gpu compared to how much it costs to upgrade the storage
2tb ssd is $65
worse cpu doesn't matter when the gpu is the limiting factor
obsidian wigeon
^
mossy venture
They said it’s because the cpu is worse and 500gb storage
The gpu is what's important here
obsidian wigeon
or you can get m450 1tb for $27.99
little osprey
worse cpu doesn't matter when the gpu is the limiting factor
So how much do you think the parts cost
If I build it
Myself
obsidian wigeon
less
little osprey
For the newegg
mossy venture
Better build for a tiny bit more, can go cheaper very easily
little osprey
obsidian wigeon
you'd spend the same with much better parts
little osprey
@obsidian wigeon foxy how about this
I will build it on my own
If you can fix the CPU problom, and the storage problom
little osprey
What?
mossy venture
Still better than the pre built and $100 cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GyzFGP
As a second option
mossy venture
First one doesn't have wifi, can add it for $20
Second one does have wifi, and ignore the bios version warning
little osprey
Don’t need wifi
earnest olive
rx 6800 beats 3060ti by about 50% when the 3060ti is not vram constrained
but also has double the vram
little osprey
Still better than the pre built and $100 cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G...
Can you make sure there are no constraints? I don’t want mfs saying the cpu is bad and the video card is good, you can increase the price to a max of $900, remove wifi
little osprey
Am worried about bottle necks
obsidian wigeon
ignore other server
mossy venture
The 5600 is enough for a 3080
earnest olive
why do you care so much what people say when they are wrong lol
obsidian wigeon
^
mossy venture
Actually fine with a 3090 lol
obsidian wigeon
you have 3 people telling you the right thing here
earnest olive
if their opinions are more important than ours then why are you bothering to ask us
go ask them
mossy venture
6700xt is capable of running any game out there (except starfield) with good settings at bare minimum 60 fps
little osprey
if their opinions are more important than ours then why are you bothering to ask...
I trust you more
mossy venture
With a few other exceptions
earnest olive
you clearly don't lol
obsidian wigeon
6700xt is pretty nice
little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZRPgJy
What can you increase or make better for a max price of $900?
mossy venture
One minute
obsidian wigeon
i do have another list
little osprey
you clearly don't lol
Am talking here the most, I trust you mushroom person
mossy venture
Over 32gb is pointless, more wattage won't make a difference but you could either go more storage or better cpu
mossy venture
13400f over 7600?
mossy venture
Cheaper mobo options since no wifi needed
little osprey
Do you think that video card will get good fps?
mossy venture
$110 or so
6700 is worse than 3060 ti, in a good few games that build would do worse than 6700xt and 5600
little osprey
6700 is worse than 3060 ti, in a good few games that build would do worse than 6...
What do you think the average fps on 1080p would be?