building-and-recc-chat

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

pump below rad, gud

[little osprey]

I was more so concerned about the orientation of the pump

I think it's supposed to light up

Can't test yet since I need my RAM first

HUUH

I need help

What with?

[cyan ravine]

Swap the fans the other way

[obsidian wigeon]

but yeah fans facing wrong side

[little osprey]

That's what Danny said but I wanted intake

[obsidian wigeon]

make em exhaust

[little osprey]

Why exhaust?

[obsidian wigeon]

top intake bad

it just forces hot air back down

making everything run hotter

[little osprey]

Alright

The gpu fans won't start spinning but the leds will

[obsidian wigeon]

heat rises

[little osprey]

No need

No display aswell

GPU will only start cooling itself once it's under load

[little osprey]

What port are you plugged into?

Display port

Yeah but which one, is it on the motherboard or card?

[cyan ravine]

Not really how it works

But you'll be forcing a lot of positive pressure in

For maybe, 2 to 3 degrees cpu temp

[little osprey]

Card

[obsidian wigeon]

positive pressure brings in dust too

[cyan ravine]

No not with top filters

And a rad inbetween

[obsidian wigeon]

fair enough lol

[little osprey]

I just changed the cooler

Like nothing related to the gpu whatsoever

[obsidian wigeon]

reset cmos

[cyan ravine]

It's more just the flow impedence and design of atx cases typically favour front intake and the rest exhaust

[obsidian wigeon]

bios might need some resetting

[little osprey]

This is also getting hot

[cyan ravine]

It's a vrm heatsink

It will get hot

Clean up the cables around it so it has better airflow and it won't get quite as hot

[little osprey]

Can it be cuz I don't have cpu fan connected?

Idk, I'm confused

[cyan ravine]

Nah not that

It's the motherboard power

It will get warm/hot as the cpu pulls power from that spot

As well as the left hand side

[little osprey]

Nah that's not what I mean

I mean, is it bcs I don't have cpu fan connected that the pc isn't starting?

[cyan ravine]

Oh, that can happen yes

Depends on the board but cpu fan errors can do that

[little osprey]

So I can't have the pump controlling the fans

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[little osprey]

Still no signal

Welp...

I guess my pc upgrade will come sooner than I expected

PC won't even turn on now

[tawny violet]

Oof

that sucks

Do you know what might be the issue?

[little osprey]

Prolly motherboard or cpu

I highly doubt it's gpu

[tawny violet]

I'd say PSU

[obsidian wigeon]

have you tried to reset cmos like i suggested yet?

[tawny violet]

actually

[cyan ravine]

That's not even trying to turn on

[tawny violet]

Yeah it's not getting power at all

[cyan ravine]

Did you flip the switch

[little osprey]

Exactly...

[obsidian wigeon]

but yeah, it doesn't turn on at all

[tawny violet]

it's getting no power

[obsidian wigeon]

check that psu's switch

[little osprey]

I showed in the beginning

[tawny violet]

I think the PSU is straight up dead

[cyan ravine]

The wall?

[tawny violet]

the switch was in the on position on the PSU

[obsidian wigeon]

i doubt it

[little osprey]

I switched it

[tawny violet]

it seems like a dead PSU to me

[obsidian wigeon]

it was just a cooler out repaste job

[little osprey]

It's the same

[obsidian wigeon]

psu can't die from you just removing cpu cooler lol

[cyan ravine]

Unplug it, hold the power for 10 seconds

Plug it back in, try again

[tawny violet]

oh no I'm saying regardless of the other maintenance

[little osprey]

You think it's static

[cyan ravine]

Check your front panel switches are still connected

[little osprey]

?

[tawny violet]

nah

actually

do you know how to start your PC with a screwdriver?

[little osprey]

Yeah

[tawny violet]

could be your front switch being plugged in wrong or broken

try to screwdriver start it

[little osprey]

Nah, couldn't

I didn't even touched it

[obsidian wigeon]

do as felix told ya

[cyan ravine]

I mean, there is zero feedback from hitting the switch

[little osprey]

Doing it rn

[cyan ravine]

I'm not sure it's dead yet

[little osprey]

Nope, no power yet

[cyan ravine]

Hm

Might be ground detection

[tawny violet]

so it's dead dead rn

no life whatsoever upon trying to start

[cyan ravine]

Try shaking the psu cables all stuffed in the back

[obsidian wigeon]

no, just ground protection kicking on most likely

[cyan ravine]

Rm750 dying is not unheard of just very unlikely

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[tawny violet]

any PC part can die amirite?

even the most reputable and high-quality ones

even without user aid

[little osprey]

Thing is

[obsidian wigeon]

but i'd not assume the worst yet

[cyan ravine]

Yes it's just the RM is so terribly well built it's hard to say

[little osprey]

I think it was motherboard

[obsidian wigeon]

assuming the worst is last resort

[tawny violet]

it's just really odd that there is literally no life sign on trying to turn on

[cyan ravine]

was?

[little osprey]

Bcs when I was reinstalling the cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

what did you do?

[tawny violet]

Except when you're a paramedic like me

Then assuming the worst is what you do for a living lmao

[little osprey]

It just turned on, without even touching

[obsidian wigeon]

wha

[tawny violet]

wtf

[obsidian wigeon]

damn lmao

[cyan ravine]

What cpu is it

[little osprey]

R9 3900x

[cyan ravine]

Also yes this happens

Did you turn it off straight away

[little osprey]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

Probably nothing happened

[little osprey]

Like, lil bro didn't even had cooler on

[cyan ravine]

But that should be reason alone to remember to unplug the power

[tawny violet]

you live and learn

[cyan ravine]

As long as you inserted the cpu correctly that likely wouldn't have done anything

Which should be an automatic yes

Because of am4's pinout

[little osprey]

Yeah, Idk how to mess with am4 sockets

[cyan ravine]

My guess is it's something else

Check the power cables are inserted

[little osprey]

Just did

[obsidian wigeon]

must be something with loose cables

[cyan ravine]

Or do the paperclip trick on the mobo cable

[little osprey]

I remember smth with it, but dk what

[obsidian wigeon]

anyway on unrelated note

[obsidian wigeon]

tuf lappy does need power plugged in after clamshell panel is popped open

in order to boot

[cyan ravine]

A psu will show no signs of any life if it doesn't spin with the paperclip test

[obsidian wigeon]

also ya, do the paperclip if possible for testing

[cyan ravine]

? It runs on battery tho?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah but i needed to plug it in after i opened it up

or the thing won't boot

refuses to show any signs of life until the power brick is hooked to it

[cyan ravine]

Repeatable behaviour?

[obsidian wigeon]

mh-hm

i opened it like twice to remove broken clips lmao

[cyan ravine]

Might check the battery ribbon

[obsidian wigeon]

and it did that every time

[little osprey]

What with the blue one?

[obsidian wigeon]

batt is untouched

[cyan ravine]

The green and yellow

[obsidian wigeon]

like it's by design

asus specifically states power is cut when bottom panel is removed

[cyan ravine]

The blue is shown because it's an empty spot by design

It helps you find the green and yellow

[cyan ravine]

Ohhh

Don't suppose one of those clips hits a power switch?

[obsidian wigeon]

no

i don't see anything fancy

it's probably that captive screw acting as ground?

[cyan ravine]

Odd behaviour

Could be

Mine doesn't do this

[obsidian wigeon]

it's weird then

cause every time mine requires power from brick first

[cyan ravine]

That's very debilitating

[obsidian wigeon]

i can unplug right after i use the brick to power up

[cyan ravine]

I'd see if you can figure that out

[obsidian wigeon]

and it runs on batt normally

it's fine, just something i noticed

[cyan ravine]

Kinda, ruins the point of being a laptop if it needs kick starting

💀

[obsidian wigeon]

only happens when i pop clamshell off and slap it back on tho

it's like a first boot procedure

if i don't open it up, it turns on without power

[cyan ravine]

Oh so it's fine now?

[obsidian wigeon]

no, no. i meant it's not an issue lmao

[cyan ravine]

Ehh

You're being confusing, does it boot normally at all ever

[obsidian wigeon]

yes, it normally boots

[cyan ravine]

With no charger

???

[obsidian wigeon]

it always does

[cyan ravine]

Ok so it's not broken

Ok

I thought it was never turning on while on battery

[obsidian wigeon]

i was trying to say that the times it only needs power brick is when the bottom panel is removed

aka opening it up to access internals

[cyan ravine]

Mine still does

[obsidian wigeon]

must've been a change in 2023 then?

[obsidian wigeon]

you got 2022 version

[cyan ravine]

Idk

[little osprey]

@paper summit, @cyan ravine, @obsidian wigeon, better?

[cyan ravine]

I've ran it without the cover before tho

[obsidian wigeon]

i never ran without cover

only tested with cover put back on

[little osprey]

Don’t ask about the back

[obsidian wigeon]

i was panicking a little when i plopped the mp33 into it

then i waited for tomorrow morning to test it

[cyan ravine]

Is the psu fan turning with the power on

Like at all

[obsidian wigeon]

turns on after i plug it in

[little osprey]

I gave up half way through after doing the cable extensions

[tawny violet]

sweet CPU cooler man

[obsidian wigeon]

i would take a vid for you but im not bothered to open this thing up again

just to demonstrate its procedure

[little osprey]

Nah its static

[little osprey]

Thanks, it made me break the pc

[cyan ravine]

If the psu fan isn't turning at all then something is definitely wrong

[tawny violet]

not necessarily methinks

[obsidian wigeon]

anyway, enough lappy talk

[tawny violet]

I doubt it was the remount/CPU change

[obsidian wigeon]

it was by design anyway kek

[cyan ravine]

Even if it turns a little

[tawny violet]

the PSU fan should spin up when you press power button

at least somewhat

[obsidian wigeon]

err

[cyan ravine]

👆

[tawny violet]

I'm still on the side of PSU failure

[obsidian wigeon]

psu is probably failing

[cyan ravine]

It's possible

[little osprey]

Atp, I think everything is failing

[cyan ravine]

It may also be taking it out it suddenly works again

You could remove it with only the mobo cable attached and try again

If no fan spin at that point, def dead

Or faulty enough to need rma anyway

But if it does spin even a little

Then it's not the psu

It'll be something else preventing the psu from powering the system

[little osprey]

I just realized I'm missing one of the screws for my glass side panel

I hate everything

[little osprey]

It could be the clip aswell no?

[cyan ravine]

I mean, if you did it right then no

[little osprey]

Also...

The exhaust when I first turned on the pc wasn't working

‼️

@cyan ravine @obsidian wigeon

IT TURNED ON FOR 2 SECOND

But I had the cpu cable off

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

[little osprey]

Turned on for 1 ms again

"Playing" with the atx cable

[strong raft]

Don't do that when it's on.

[cyan ravine]

^that

so something else is preventing it from booting

[little osprey]

But yeah, when cpu is there it doesn't work

[cyan ravine]

Can you try a different cpu cable

[little osprey]

Just did

It doesn't even turn on now

[cyan ravine]

Interesting

Maybe the cpu got a case of arcing

[little osprey]

Of what?

[cyan ravine]

Arcing

When you dropped it in, it jump started itself and fried mayhaps

[little osprey]

[cyan ravine]

If it turns on without the cpu power it's sus

💀

[little osprey]

I will get the upgrade sooner than what I was thinking

[little osprey]

My mbd has flash bios

[cyan ravine]

It'll be very telling if

You take the cpu out

And plug the cpu power in and it works

If it does that, oof

[little osprey]

Aight

Omw

[cyan ravine]

You could try also

Loosening the cooler mount

potentially

Rarely

Could help

If it's mounted too strong then you can get weirdness

[little osprey]

It did

Turn on without the cpu

But

[cyan ravine]

Lol

Very sus

[little osprey]

Motherboard almost caught on fire

Should I be concerned with the gpu by any means?

[cyan ravine]

Wtf is happening

[potent portal]

Looks like RMA time

GPU should be fine

[little osprey]

I don't think I can rma anything

[potent portal]

Where did you buy it

[little osprey]

Maybe the ram, but that's the least

[little osprey]

Portuguese store

But, it's been 4 years

In portugal you have 3 at most

[cyan ravine]

Why has a vrm attempted to aliven't????

[potent portal]

Oh 4 years, yeah I think it might be dead based on that pic, that looks like a short

[cyan ravine]

Maybe the cpu is fine???

[little osprey]

It did started smoking

I'm mostly concerned about the gpu, since it didn't started

Only leds, no fans

[cyan ravine]

Fans don't need to spin on that gpu, it has zero rpm

[potent portal]

The GPU wouldn't initialize until almost the last part of the POST process

If the CPU isn't initializing then it won't even try to contact the GPU

[little osprey]

Also, one of the case fans wouldn't start aswell

[little osprey]

Fair, fair, but tbh, if my motherboard is dead, I'm better off buying the stuff for the upgrade

I hate this...

I didn't wanted to buy anything already

[cyan ravine]

I'm still baffled

[little osprey]

Imagine how I am

[cyan ravine]

How did the mobo of all things just do a poo and die

[potent portal]

The motherboard is a budding magician
That's where the magic smoke came from

[little osprey]

What about the mini fire it started?

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-shia-kazing-wasted-gif-9786404

[little osprey]

Is sissy also a firebender?

[lone flame]

YESS

STARFIELD GPU GIVEAWAY

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[wary tundra]

I just found a evga 1000gt for 140

I can't find it on the psu tier list but is that a good buy

[potent portal]

That's a B tier unit. You can find similar B tier for less money, like this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WjcgXL/enermax-revolution-df-2-1050-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ers1050ewt

[wary tundra]

Thank you!!

[lone flame]

@potent portal

[little osprey]

Should I care to buy a new psu aswell?

And would a rme850 do the work?

[fossil cedar]

As well as what, what's your current one?

And rme 850 is good but sometimes not the best pricing

[little osprey]

I have a rm750 (2019)

But I had a short circuit in my motherboard today

[fossil cedar]

Are you sure about that? Frying components is pretty hard to do these days

[little osprey]

Yeah, I saw the fire

The smoke

And this is how it's looking

[fossil cedar]

Oh howd you manage that lol

[fossil cedar]

Um if the psu seems fine then no need to replace, and if the psu caused it, they should have like a 10 year warranty

Wow that's odd

[little osprey]

Well, thing is, I don't have anywhere to check if the psu is the cause

[little osprey]

@fossil cedar check this video out

[fossil cedar]

I can't really see what's going on in the vid tbh

[little osprey]

PC starts to boot, as soon as the cpu gets power it turns off

[fossil cedar]

Uh well you shouldn't be live plugging in those cables probably

[manic cloak]

What’s good software for benchmarking cards like the 6900xt

Furmsrk? Time spy?

[potent portal]

There's an easy way to test a power supply.
Disable hybrid mode, if you have it and you can disable it. Unplug all the cables except the 24 pin from the power supply itself, for safety. You don't technically need to but it never hurts to be safe.
With the power supply off, stick a paperclip into the pins shown in the picture. Then flip the power supply on and see if the fan starts spinning. If it does, it works at least enough to start a computer.

[potent portal]

Both. Furmark will give you a nearly worst case scenario draining as much power as it can, so you can see the max temp you'll get. Time Spy will tell you if it's performing how you should expect with your hardware.

[manic cloak]

Alright thanks, any other softwares though? Idk much about benching so lol

[little osprey]

But my issue, is if it is outputting way too much energy

I mean, it started a short circuit

[manic cloak]

I doubt a psu would push too much energy into your mobo

Otherwise that’s a straight up faulty psu worthy of getting you $$$$

Correct me if I’m wrong, your psu doesn’t charge to its max wattage, example 750W once you plug it in and turn it on

I believe it works like a absolute threshold, where it’ll keep building up wattage until a change or something happens

[potent portal]

Typically just the 2 is fine, but if you want to get more detailed results or start pushing big overclocks I can recommend more based on what you're doing

[manic cloak]

ehhh I doubt i'll be ocing with a 13600k and 6900xt on 750W

[potent portal]

Put simply, a PSU does not "push" power. The motherboard and other devices will "pull" what they need.

[manic cloak]

btw @potent portal did timespy demo or whatever get removed from steam? cause it's not in my library and it costs money now.

[little osprey]

I will need to undervolt the 6950xt

If I keep the 750W then

Since I'm buying a 7800x3d

[potent portal]

Still there as far as I see

[manic cloak]

im blind

[potent portal]

Luckily that is actually a relatively low power processor. The clock speeds are a little lower so it uses less power to reach them.

[little osprey]

120W right?

I was just worried about the turbo I think

[potent portal]

120W is the TDP. The funny thing about TDP, power isn't part of the formula at all. It's a heat measurement.

[little osprey]

In the 3900x the wattage would go up till 147W

[little osprey]

I never got it tbh, I always thought as the power that the cpu draws when doing some task

[potent portal]

It's defined as Thermal Design Power, basically the amount of heat that the cooler should be able to dissipate to be sufficient. It's only loosely correlated with power.

[little osprey]

What's the power consumption of the 7800x3d then? If you know it ofc

[potent portal]

About 90W, usually lower when gaming

[manic cloak]

https://www.newegg.com/futuremark-3dmark-2021-nfr/p/N82E16833980133?RandomID=563011732224514220230821150908

what could I even combo this with

[potent portal]

Source

[potent portal]

Nothing right now

[manic cloak]

damn

[little osprey]

Uhhh that's nice then

So yall say, I should be fine with the psu

[potent portal]

Yep

[little osprey]

Lemme talk it out then

[manic cloak]

Any good?

[potent portal]

Looks good

Below 60C max, so it should keep full boost speed. And the time spy score is right on the average.

[serene onyx]

Hey guys

i got a question

my cousins pc isnt connecting to internet

he said his pc connects to the internet when he turns it on, but then it ends up just disconnecting entirely once he loads into his desktop

I need help

[lone flame]

https://www.costco.com/msi-27"-wqhd-165hz-amd-freesync-curved-gaming-monitor.product.4000147713.html

thoughts

idk why its on the costco website but

lol

[potent portal]

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-reset-network-settings-in-windows-10/699e8f07-0e0d-4be3-9da9-f4094ff9746d

[potent portal]

Meh, it's fine for the price I guess https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-mag271cqr

I don't generally recommend VA monitors anymore, which excludes almost every curved panel

[lone flame]

whats a decent 1440p

i want one

[potent portal]

G27Q is good right now https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012015

[serene onyx]

Alright, hes doing that now

@potent portal ok so he did it

and it worked for a while again, then it stopped working

idk if his pc not being wifi compatible has anything to do w it

cause it has zero antenas

but yet again, idk how wifi cards work

@potent portal anything else?

He sent me his spec

Downside is, idk his motherboard

He sent me the name of a port connector, and I googled it and it came out to a optiplex mobo

[potent portal]

The lack of antenna can be a problem, but sometimes it's an internal one you can't see. Is this a new build or a new problem?

[serene onyx]

It's a pre-built

His second day w it

[potent portal]

Ok, it probably came with antennas. They might still be in the box or hiding in something.

[serene onyx]

He bought it from some guy.

At a store somewhere.

[potent portal]

Ah so it was used?

[serene onyx]

The dude made it from spare parts "apparently"

So yes

Probably

I told him to just build his own pc and I would help him, but he went with a 600$ pc 😭

[potent portal]

Well my server is cobbled together from spare parts so there's nothing inherently wrong with repurposing old hardware.

$600 gets you a rather decent gaming machine right now if you build it. I'm guessing he ended up with a GTX 1650 or something?

[serene onyx]

Not even

Well idk the equivalent

But it has a rx 570m

?

[potent portal]

570m? That's a laptop GPU

[serene onyx]

Yeah, thats what i said

i was so confused

but yes, the pc has a rx 750?

the radeon thing said it was a rx 750

[obsidian wigeon]

im confused

[serene onyx]

No 570

siorry

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[potent portal]

Well if it is the 570 mobile then it's equal to a 1650 lol

[obsidian wigeon]

570 is like about 1060

[serene onyx]

i didnt mean the m im sorry 😭

its just a rx 570

[potent portal]

That's still sad for the price

[serene onyx]

ikr

[obsidian wigeon]

pretty sad

[potent portal]

Bro got scammed big time

[serene onyx]

i told him to send me his budget and i would help him but he went to some dude who makes pcs

some random pc shop

[languid nimbus]

yep, rip

[serene onyx]

but yeah

anyways

idk how to fix his wifi issue

OH HIS PC CASE CAME WITH LIKE 13 FANS?!?

[lyric thistle]

ethernet cable

[serene onyx]

LIKE HUH

[obsidian wigeon]

tf

[serene onyx]

IKR

I WAS SO CONFUSED

[obsidian wigeon]

that's way too many

[serene onyx]

EXACTLY

[potent portal]

If you can see the antenna connector then I can point you to an antenna to buy that'll probably fix it

[serene onyx]

is that supposed to be on the mobo? cause he has none on his mobo

[obsidian wigeon]

it's on back io

[serene onyx]

he has none

[potent portal]

... is it using a laptop wifi card

[serene onyx]

Idek anymore

im so lost

[potent portal]

Try to get a pic of the wifi card wherever it is

[serene onyx]

ok i will

alright im waiting for him to respond

This is a picture he sent me earlier, this is when I noticed that he has no antenna connectors

[frigid night]

Can he take a pic of the lower half? He may have a wifi card.

[serene onyx]

im sure he does, im currently am trying to get the picture

[potent portal]

VGA and serial ports... not a good sign for how usable this is going to be. I'm thinking 4th gen intel, about 10 years old. That's pretty common for these.

Wait a minute is THIS the wifi adapter?

[obsidian wigeon]

...seems like it is

a cheap crappy usb wifi

[serene onyx]

It's a optiplex mobo

It's a

[serene onyx]

Maybe?

He sent a video

It's so bad.

This is the mobo

Optiplex 990 MT motherboard

theres a piece of metal blockig the bottom half.

its like a massive piece of like plastic? metal? idk

[obsidian wigeon]

bruh

that's a HUGE ripoff for $600

bro that's insultingly bad

[languid nimbus]

is this one of those "yeah this is my buddy" but its actually you situations youre just too embarrased to admit it lol

[obsidian wigeon]

that guy who built this thing for him must've made bank

optiplex 990 is like

sandy/ivy bridge

ouch

this thing should not cost over 150

[serene onyx]

yup.

[obsidian wigeon]

it's either a coverup to embarrassment or a legit scam

welp can't return i guess

if you sell you'd get a fraction

[serene onyx]

I tried helping him, but he bought it and didnt tell me.

[obsidian wigeon]

eh, his mistake

[serene onyx]

real

[obsidian wigeon]

don't stress over it

[serene onyx]

ik

im just trying to help him make his wifi work

do yk how we can fix it

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

that usb thingy is unknown

solution is to buy another one so we know for sure what it is

and that we can get drivers for it if need be

[potent portal]

Yep we'd need a model number for the USB wifi to get drivers

[serene onyx]

oh lord

ok

[potent portal]

I was curious what I could build today for $600... this is what I came up with https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FkYm89

Just a casual doubling of GPU performance, and probably more on CPU

[serene onyx]

im gonna send this to him.

[obsidian wigeon]

tbf if we focus on gpu, cpu can be dumbed down to 4500

it's not exactly a fast cpu but it gets the job done

i believe deepcool has matrexx 40 3fs for less

and that comes with 3 fans

matx but it's cheap

[potent portal]

It was just something I threw together in 3 minutes, yes it can be optimized a bit more

[obsidian wigeon]

ye im making suggestions

[serene onyx]

ok guys im on call with him rn im gonna find out if the thing in the pc is the wifi thing

lets hope it is

lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

if not that's another oof

[serene onyx]

guys

the usb wifi thing says

802. 11n

i searched it up and found the thing

[obsidian wigeon]

alright then that's a wifi device

we gotta identify its exact model

[potent portal]

It's something. I think we can confirm the builder spent $5 on it too.

[serene onyx]

LMAO

real

[obsidian wigeon]

LOL

[lyric thistle]

probably stole it off the dead body of a linksys gang member tbh

[serene onyx]

ok so now we just need to find the drivers for it

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[serene onyx]

oh lord alr

would the universal microsoft drivers work for it?

[obsidian wigeon]

it depends

[serene onyx]

It has no branding on the usb

[obsidian wigeon]

but if it works it'll be trash anyway

[serene onyx]

like zero branding.

alright im gonna send them the universal microsoft ones

nvm these are not drivers

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd suggest going into device manager

[serene onyx]

yes

[obsidian wigeon]

and looking at the usb wifi devicr

[serene onyx]

alright

[jagged ember]

Windows + X then M

is the fastest way

[potent portal]

I haven't bought a N grade wifi device in many years. It's been all AC or AX for quite a while.

[jagged ember]

Somewhere under Network adapters it'll show your Wifi device

[serene onyx]

so he should go to the usb under device manager

[obsidian wigeon]

same

N wifi is so 2004

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[serene onyx]

ok its there

[jagged ember]

600 dollars for an optiplex bro

[serene onyx]

alr

what does he do now

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah dude got ripped off lmao

right click and click properties

i wanna see that page

[serene onyx]

yes

[jagged ember]

hot tip, double clicking also works

[potent portal]

Like this

[lyric thistle]

probably less than optiplex...

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

we want hardware id

[jagged ember]

ooh nice

[serene onyx]

ok

[obsidian wigeon]

it uses optiplex 990 board

[lyric thistle]

shhh...

[obsidian wigeon]

sandy/ivy platform kek

one of those fortnite pcs

[potent portal]

There I optimized it more https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wC3gL9

[mossy venture]

I'd go 4500, iirc similar if not better perf than 3600 for I think $20 less

Oh foxy said that already, sorry

[potent portal]

3600 wins from what I saw but it's like a 5-10% difference

[mossy venture]

I think on passmark 4500 single core is higher but the 3600 might be better in games, or passmark is just off a bit for whatever reason possibly

[obsidian wigeon]

it's fine

ultra budget pc anyway

can always upgrade cpu later

[mossy venture]

Oh yeah 3600 has much higher l3 cache

8mb vs 32mb

[obsidian wigeon]

but it results in 5-10% difference

not too extreme

[mossy venture]

So in passmark 4500 wins a bit but loses in games

[weary galleon]

I think its more like a baseline of 10% going up to 20%

https://youtu.be/PsdeJszdV7I

[little osprey]

Any suggestions on how to clean this up?

I had to take out the SATA SSD mount to be able to close the side panel

G300A does not have a lot of cable room

At least I feel

[weary galleon]

use less splitters and extenders

if you can

otherwise cram as much as you can down into the bottom left next to the PSU

[little osprey]

Extenders?

I don’t have any splitters unfortunately

I had to daisy chain six fans because of that

[weary galleon]

I didn't build it so idk what's necessary but some of these seem excessive

Maybe look into a fan hub

[frigid night]

Idk if this helps, but look at my daisy chains at the top.

[frigid night]

Do you not have enough headers on your mobo?

[little osprey]

Only two RGB

Well three pins

The other two RGB ones are four pin

I needed one for my AIO

[frigid night]

Gotcha.

[little osprey]

I tried but ultimately was too hard to fit

[frigid night]

Even down in your PSU shroud?

[little osprey]

Yeah

G300A is not very spacious for cables

[frigid night]

Hmm.

A little hook and loop tape could allow you to attach it to the case somewhere though.

Looks like there is enough clearance

[little osprey]

Unfortunately no

Like I said I had to remove the SATA SSD mount to get the cable extensions to fit

[frigid night]

That's weird. Because if the back closes with all your cables like that, then a hub should fit no problem.

[little osprey]

I’m curious if just removing the cable extensions would fix this

[frigid night]

Fix the cable mess?

[little osprey]

Sort of yeah

The extra slack eats a lot of space

[frigid night]

Nah. I mean this in a respectable way.. git gud

[little osprey]

Fair

I’ll see what I can do with what I have set no

Maybe rearrange the daisy chain and redo zip ties

[frigid night]

Most people hate cable management and I can understand why, but once you get good at it.. it becomes a fun challenge in every PC you build.

[frigid night]

On the right track.

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-rocking-shocked-trauma-family-guy-gif-3629549

not the cables

never again

i could barely get my back panel on theyre so bad

[manic cloak]

Hmmmm

[jagged ember]

The GPU crushing itself probably isn't a good sign

[little osprey]

GUYS WHAT ARE GOOD DDR5 RAMS?

Is tridentz okay?

[little osprey]

Yeah they are good sticks

Thanks

I'm omw to the tech store

[obsidian wigeon]

trident z ddr5 doesn't exist

but gskill kits are ok

[desert gulch]

https://www.gskill.com/products/1/165/374/Trident-Z5-RGB-DDR5-Intel-XMP

[obsidian wigeon]

well not the z name

[cyan ravine]

Cl32 or less, 5600MHz or higher
Any brand that does this is automatically pretty good. Go as cheap as possible

[mossy venture]

Brand doesn't matter

[obsidian wigeon]

but z5 yes

[cyan ravine]

Trident ddr5 sucks btw. Hot sticks for aesthetics

[obsidian wigeon]

still different looks doe

[cyan ravine]

They have the better bins but the worse thermals

[little osprey]

So it does matter...

[cyan ravine]

Yes to some extent

[little osprey]

That's why I was asking

[cyan ravine]

But really the cheapest best xmp kit will be the winner

So it also doesn't matter

Even if that kit was trident I still would be imposed to recommend it

The ones I'd very much avoid tho would be corsair

Reports that they stopped doing this but they had voltage limits imposed on their kits restricting potential

So if you had an unstable kit? Well, you couldn't boost the voltage to help stabilise it

[vague oracle]

It does

[obsidian wigeon]

well z5 does exist ofc

i was just being pedantic lmao

[little osprey]

Looking for a recommended case for a 360mm AIO (EK Nucleus) and a EATX motherboard (B650E Taichi)

[obsidian wigeon]

B650E isn't eatx, it's atx

The E is just chipset name

As for cases, I'd suggest you looking into cases channel and scroll up some

Felix posted a whole bunch of links for em

[little osprey]

100 percent wrong the B650E taichi is EATX

by asrock

[tawny violet]

Uh

being EATX is a size thing

B650E is the chipsetű

the 2 aren't connected

also

[obsidian wigeon]

huh it's actually eatx

my bad

[tawny violet]

Yea the Taichi boards are EATX

[obsidian wigeon]

i looked into the specs

[tawny violet]

thicc boys

Steel Legend and Riptide boards are standard ATX

but

[obsidian wigeon]

taichis used to be normal atx too

[tawny violet]

Trust me you don't need a Taichi board

[obsidian wigeon]

but i suppose that changed

[little osprey]

got for free with 7900x in contest

cant beat free

[tawny violet]

anything you might need the B650E PG Riptide Wifi ca~

Yeah okay then use it to your heart's content lmfao

I thought you're planning to buy one

[obsidian wigeon]

from the top of my head

[little osprey]

no im almost done with build

[obsidian wigeon]

i can think of fractal design pop xl

[tawny violet]

nice

[little osprey]

using some left over parts like 3x Sata SSD

[obsidian wigeon]

big case with eatx support

[tawny violet]

4000D should fit it too
Pop XL Air

[cyan ravine]

Pop xl air

[tawny violet]

4000D if you're posh

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah pop air xl is the better one

[tawny violet]

Pop XL Air otherwise

[little osprey]

i shouldnt have a problem running 3 sata they will all connect fine right?

[obsidian wigeon]

4000d is lame in comparison

yes

[tawny violet]

I like the aesthetics tbf

and it's not a bad case anyhow

[cyan ravine]

You could also do montech 903 max

If you want cheap

Good cheap

[tawny violet]

Felix wanna see my upgrade plan?

[obsidian wigeon]

da pop xl air

[tawny violet]

there are 5.25" bays behind the metal plate if you care for it

[vague oracle]

Lancool III Mesh

Love the case

[cyan ravine]

Nice but expensive

[tawny violet]

I personally prefer the Lancool 2 Mesh but fair enoguh

[vague oracle]

Can top mount the 360 rad

[little osprey]

Also i have Noctua NF-A12x25 can i run 3 to one header with a splitter or will i run into problems and screw up the header

[obsidian wigeon]

nah, you can do that

[tawny violet]

3 should be fine

[cyan ravine]

Can run 3 1 header

[tawny violet]

not more tho

[obsidian wigeon]

daisy chain em up into one header is fine

even 4 fans is fine

fan headers are 1A

[tawny violet]

anyhow
Felix watch this list

My first upgrade spree will be:
-FURY Avenger XL chair (I'm currently sitting on a broken, age old office chair)
-23cm desk fan (so I don't get poached in my own sweat in the summers)
-Yenkee YMC 1030 kit (cheap condenser mic, boom arm, shock mount and XLR-3.5mm jack cable)
-Webcam
-Headphone stand (I wanna keep it in one spot so I don't end up sitting on it accidentally)
-Another different headphone stand (this one's the Zalman folding one for my current headphones which I'll keep as backup)
-1 outlet surge protector (plug it into the wall and plug my extension cord into it that I have my PC stuff plugged in to keep everything safe)
-Series X controller
-Monitor lightbar (the desk lamp I have barely works)
-NATEC Genesis Helium 610BT 2.1 speaker set (Bluetooth+3.5mm inputs so I can use both with my PC and phone)
-Arctis Nova 1P headphones (to use with my PC)
-Rival 600 mouse
-Apex 7 keyboard (with brown switches to replace my current blue switch keyboard cuz my A-hole stepdad keeps complaining about it even tho nobody else seems to mind)
-VG27AQ1A monitor (1440p 170Hz 27" IPS, does what I need and at a reasonable price here methinks)
-twin monitor arm from Alza
-2× 1.5m DP 2.0 cables
-Cable management tidbits to tidy up the rat's nest the PC shop left me
-wooden end table to migrate my PC onto so I can fit the speakers and 2 screens on my limited space desk
-Carpet protector so I can actually use the freaking chair

[obsidian wigeon]

bruh

that's a long list

[cyan ravine]

Too much sensory overload

[tawny violet]

it's gonna be a big endeavor but

I'm excited for it

[cyan ravine]

Change that keyboard to a keychron and it's fine

[tawny violet]

tbf I can always just get them piece by piece

[obsidian wigeon]

Get keychron keeb ples

[cyan ravine]

Also look at desk chair reqs in #peripherals-and-displays

[tawny violet]

they don't seem very available without international shipping is the issue

[little osprey]

.14 a per fan god i can run 6 off one header

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

one header can handle a lot of fans at once so it's not a concern

[cyan ravine]

Apex is hilariously loud to my knowledge, no matter how you cut it

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

apex is just a loud board

[little osprey]

could always get noctua fan hub

[obsidian wigeon]

hollow alu with no damping

[tawny violet]

it literally can't be worse than a Kailh blue switch cheap keyboard with ZERO damping

[obsidian wigeon]

nah it still is loud

[tawny violet]

I'm not even sure if they're real Kailhs

[obsidian wigeon]

i have a brown keeb with hollow body, it's loud

[tawny violet]

might be knockoff from how absolutely bad they are to type on

at least for a mechanical keeb

[cyan ravine]

Just ask in #peripherals-and-displays for reqs, they're quite smart about this stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

blues are bad to type on anyway

[cyan ravine]

I'm not that good with keebs, but I do pick up on their banter

[obsidian wigeon]

im the same with felix

[tawny violet]

I know Keychrons are good but they do be unobtainum around here

[cyan ravine]

Steelseries supposedly has had mid keyboards for a long time

They'd know alternatives

[obsidian wigeon]

maybe you can find alternatives?

[little osprey]

now i was looking at monitors

i read some reviews on the Pixo they look nice and do good on reviews

[cyan ravine]

I don't

[obsidian wigeon]

that pixio optimum hardware reviewed?

it seems promising, but suspiciously cheap

probably non existent service

[tawny violet]

I only really picked it due to wanting to stick with a Rival mouse and wanting to match them and use one software to control stuff

[cyan ravine]

Always, rtings

[obsidian wigeon]

i use logitech mouse with steelseries headset

[cyan ravine]

You won't need to worry about that with a 7800x3d

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[tawny violet]

lmfao

[obsidian wigeon]

just run multiple softwares in the background, it wouldn't flinch

[tawny violet]

loads up 8 different RGB software

[obsidian wigeon]

windows is about to get rgb control built in btw

[cyan ravine]

Well use open rgb instead

[obsidian wigeon]

for the stuff in the pc

[cyan ravine]

Or yeah windows

You have options

[obsidian wigeon]

23h2 coming soon

win 11 ofc

[tawny violet]

tbf the headphones don't have any RBG
But the keyboard and the mouse do and I want one software for those

[cyan ravine]

I would make the effort to ask in #peripherals-and-displays

[tawny violet]

Aight

[cyan ravine]

They will have answers for this

[tawny violet]

anything else that's obviously wrong?

cuz all that shizz

It'll cost more than the actual PC I have rn (although it's mainly a lot of tiny things with a monitor upgrade sprinkled in)

[sullen spoke]

There is openrgb and signalrgb but idk the whole list of what product lines they support. Nowadays I avoid rgb because the software can be so messy

[obsidian wigeon]

the only rgb i have is my lappy's keeb built in one

[cyan ravine]

I have no reading on the chair, the rest is fine

[tawny violet]

well I currently only have 1 RBG fan in my PC and that's controlled by Armory Crate as I have an Asus mobo

[obsidian wigeon]

openrgb supports asus boards too

[tawny violet]

and that will be the case for a while

[tawny violet]

it can't do things like change mouse polling rates or save profiles

or remap keeb keys

[cyan ravine]

You can change those and save them to onboard memory I would hope

[obsidian wigeon]

oh you use asus keyboard and mouse?

any mice with mcu will have memory for settings

i set some stuff into mine and uninstall software

it saves the settings

[sullen spoke]

Yeah most of the lighting things from asus, corsair, razer etc is supported. Peripherals like keebs and mice sometimes have on board memory you can save to but if it doesn’t you are often forced to use their software if you want custom keybinds

[tawny violet]

lol no

I have an old, second hand Steelseries Rival 301 (with Ratchew Special cord)
And a Gamdias Hermes E1 keyboard

I wish I wasn't too broke to buy Asus peripherals

[cyan ravine]

I've never seen any real reason to buy any asus peripherals ever apart from their Z1 AMD handheld

[obsidian wigeon]

^

i want aria xd7 for mouse

specifically huano versions

[tawny violet]

Twas more a jab at how expensive they are

[cyan ravine]

Indeed they are

[tawny violet]

Okay blatantly stealing @fading acorn's build pic
But this is the sort of setup I'd wanna go (save for the screens being next to each other)

[cyan ravine]

I approve of mesh chairs

The greatest chairs ever

[tawny violet]

lightbar over the screen, mic with the arm

[cyan ravine]

Really good ones are like hammocks

[tawny violet]

tho I'd go with a Pop Air XL to hosue the PC later

and for now the current PC should do just fine even tho I broke the memory slot guide

Curse you Prime B650M motherboard for being le Benchmark Edition™️

[cyan ravine]

Easily fixed but yeah that was a hilarious outcome

I have never seen that happen before

Granted I'm still young to the hobby tho

[tawny violet]

Why would Asus put the latch on the bottom?...

[little osprey]

what countertop is that?

[tawny violet]

idk, not my build

but I'd guess it's from Ikea

[little osprey]

lol was going to say that

[little osprey]

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ekbacken-countertop-white-marble-effect-laminate-40335628/

maybe that?

[tawny violet]

probably

I'm more of a Saljan fan but it looks good

[little osprey]

is particle board enough to hold a monitor arm without damaging

Well, I bought the parts

nvm the karlby desk are particle board too

Asked them to build it for me

Went for RM750e

7800x3d

B650m riptide

And it needed to be TridentZ 6000mhz

Everything else was out of stock

[tawny violet]

I'm legitimately eyeing a proper beech veneer tabletop

130cm would be the perfect size too

[little osprey]

Dawg, that's bigger than a child

[little osprey]

i have this

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/vrena-countertop-oak-veneer-30437156/

but i need a longer table

probably go with the 98in

[manic cloak]

Anyone’s opinions?

[tawny violet]

I can only fit a 130cm (51") tabletop in my current room

and even that would be... Borderline

current desk is 110cm (44" give or take) wide

57" if I don't give a rip about ventilation to the corner of my room

which I really should to avoid mold

I'd also need to shift the storage unit of the desk I have to the other side to be able to sit closer to the window and migrate my PC to my right side so I can actually look at the side panel kek

[obsidian wigeon]

seller's too clueless

only meet in person

[manic cloak]

Alr.

He said he had it in a lynx case too

[obsidian wigeon]

from a prebuilt? hm

still i'd check in person

[manic cloak]

From digital storm

Ye

He said warranty is still good but

Issue is I’d probably have to get his order ID, his S/N for the case, etc etc and update them on the situation

And with how clueless he is..

“Thermal pasta”

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

a crash could just be simple game issue or something, but it's hard to tell

honestly wouldn't even bother

not with that attitude

[potent portal]

Either they're that clueless or scamming

[fading acorn]

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ekbacken-countertop-light-gray-concrete-effect-laminate-80395446/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping_feed&utm_content=free_google_shopping_clicks_Kitchen&gbraid=0AAAAAD27g7zFZz_pXEZTL_VqvnkQXik8m&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvtjkquLwgAMV2ElHAR1LCgOqEAQYAiABEgJw7fD_BwE this is the countertop i have.

[potent portal]

Common tactic to get rid of garbage is to feign ignorance

[fading acorn]

i tried to have the monitors next to eachother but the dual mount i have doesn’t allow for it to be at a good enough angle for my preference. and to me the setup looked clutter to the right without the monitor moved.

[little osprey]

any pics or is that yours? also monitor arm safe on that

[fading acorn]

the build black hole sent is mine. i mean i even use a cheap arm from amazon that has a foam pad on the top. the bottom uses a metal circle clamp that will mark the bottom but that depends on the arm u get. but over sturdiness of the desk is amazing there is no bowing and i don’t have any supports. and it’s very easy to clean

[little osprey]

id get the 98in

it looks like its made with the same internals as the karlby just lamintate

[fading acorn]

yeah it’s just particle board with laminate

[little osprey]

i might do the vneer or whatever its called its longer a wood looking i use a montior are on the 72 in fine i just need a longer desk

[fading acorn]

yeah at times i wish i had more but for me this is enough

[manic cloak]

@obsidian wigeon @potent portal sorry for the ping but.. You think this is worth more of my time over a 400$ seemingly broken 3080ti?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

much more worth

average seller with knowledge is nice

[manic cloak]

Is the card better or is it the marketing of the xtxh getting to me

[obsidian wigeon]

it is better lol

6900xt matches 3090

no rt that is

[earnest olive]

XTXH is higher bin, clocks higher, and has higher voltage limit

[obsidian wigeon]

that too

[earnest olive]

it's an improvement over others on air as well

[little osprey]

MSI 6900XT has a hotspot issue if i remember correctly

[earnest olive]

but don't expect an improvement so large that it's like, a whole gpu tier

[obsidian wigeon]

not with this one

that's the gaming x trio

you were thinking of ventus maybe

[manic cloak]

Anything dangerous with running it on 750w + 13600k?

I don’t plan to oc just yet

[obsidian wigeon]

sorry, z

nah it's completely fine

[earnest olive]

depends on how hard you push it lol

[obsidian wigeon]

if you run stock

[earnest olive]

these cards can be pushed to 1600W apparently

[manic cloak]

ULTRA 4k RESO

jkjk

[earnest olive]

think it was fitz that was running a 6900XTXH at 1600w here

[manic cloak]

Jesus

[earnest olive]

obviously with some extreme cooling

[obsidian wigeon]

stock it wouldn't matter

750w enough

[manic cloak]

Alright, I’ll see if I can order it cause I’m still a minor with parental permissions on my own card and money!!!! 💀

Otherwise broken 400$ 3080ti or 450$ 6900xt asus tuf is my best bet.

[earnest olive]

750W is quite overkill for that configuration at stock

[manic cloak]

For my current build?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[earnest olive]

for 13600K/6900XT

[obsidian wigeon]

it's plenty of power left for stuff

[earnest olive]

for your current build, i think your power supply is asleep

[manic cloak]

Ah

[manic cloak]

Tbh, I couldn’t pass on 42$ for this psu brand new

[obsidian wigeon]

if current yeah the psu surely is sleeping

[earnest olive]

which model is it?

[manic cloak]

Evga Gt

[earnest olive]

not a bad deal at all

[manic cloak]

Got it from GameStop, it sat up there for months cause it had dust on it

[earnest olive]

buying an overkill psu is not a bad thing unless you're paying a lot for it

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[manic cloak]

Never getting those asus ones

With the lcd display on it

Kinda stupid and only some cases come with a hole in the shroud for it

[obsidian wigeon]

$43 750w b tier psu is impressive

[earnest olive]

i got one of those on a nice used deal

[manic cloak]

Ikr, 50% off

[earnest olive]

but had to return it cause the seller didn't include all cables with it

[manic cloak]

They had the 50% promo for clearance items during Christmas

[earnest olive]

and i couldn't find replacement cables

[manic cloak]

Yikes

[earnest olive]

at least not for prices the seller was willing to reimburse lol

oh well, their loss

they ate the cost of shipping both ways

[manic cloak]

Hmm

If I were to test bench the 3080ti on my computer, wouldn’t it draw out more power or would it at stock still be fine

[jagged ember]

Stock is fine

[jagged ember]

I ran a 3080 on a 650w running furmark

[manic cloak]

Ah

[jagged ember]

I wouldn't reccomend it

Cause ocp trips

When gaming

But you'll be fine with 750w

[manic cloak]

Well I have to DDU my whole setup, bring it into a Starbucks by 6 today

[jagged ember]

I should be clear, I mean do not run a 3080 on a 650w lol

[manic cloak]

Oh ya ofc

[jagged ember]

You have an atx case?

Cause if it's matx you might have to take out your motherboard

[manic cloak]

Wdym?

@jagged ember checked the gpu length it should fit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cZj3Y9

I promise you I don’t have the 1080p monitor anymore lol

Just an old saved list

OH! I’m slow asf

I thought you meant eATX for some reason 💀💀

But ya I’m fine, don’t worry.

[jagged ember]

alright good

I'd still bring like a screwdriver in case it doesn't fit

[manic cloak]

Ya.. screwdrivers I’ll definitely bring

[earnest olive]

i ran a 3080 and a 3070 on the same 650w b tier along with a ryzen 5 3600x lol

[strong raft]

Soon Still 650w even w/ new 12700k using my spare G3, lol. Bet it's within 50w or so in game of current setup, so we'll see.

[manic cloak]

Tbh

Idk if i should even buy used

Should I just wait till Black Friday or something and buy from Best Buy?

I could just have it down paid

[mossy venture]

Black Friday doesn't really have good gpu sales

Prime day had a few

[manic cloak]

Eh whenever it happens

Cyber monday even

Even though last year..