Lenovo always has made some clean cards
#building-and-recc-chat
little osprey
Yo, is it more advantageous to sell a used PC part by part or simply the computer as a whole?
I’m not familiar with the market, selling used tech for the first time
potent portal
It depends on the parts
cyan ravine
I'd argue with enough it's better to sell whole systems most of the time
But yeah some things are worth more separately
Like bespoke motherboards
Or specific ram kits
potent portal
That'll depend on where you're selling too. Shipping costs can counter any extra you might get for a complete system really fast.
cyan ravine
Indeed
obsidian wigeon
i hate selling oem prebuilts cause it's harder with warranty once you separate the parts
cyan ravine
It's a very broad question with no definitive general answer
Better to explain what you'd be trying to sell imo
lone flame
how worth it is to waterblock a 6700 xt
cyan ravine
Completely pointless
6700XT's don't really get to a point where they need it if at all
You could fan mod a loud one? Like zip tie some p12's/b12's to it
And that would be basically as good as watercooling for a fraction of the price
lone flame
its hot in my room 
cyan ravine
Waterblocks don't remove heat from the room
In fact they remove heat from the card better so you have even more heat in the room
Time to get a fan or aircon lol
frigid night
I am in a dilemma, Should I upgrade my cpu,mobo,ram first or my gpu?
Depends. We need more info to adequately give you advice.
Such as. Listing every specific hardware you mentioned by brand/model
flint sapphire
Also is there a micro center nearby? 
waxen finch
I currently have a r7 3700x 16gb ddr4 ram and a rtx 2080 and I’m looking to upgrade to a 12900ks for my cpu or a rtx 4070ti if I upgrade my gpu
obsidian wigeon
eh
waxen finch
I mostly play games like valorant, minecraft, csgo but, when star field does come out I wanna be able to play that aswell
obsidian wigeon
12900ks isn't great anymore
waxen finch
Really?
obsidian wigeon
nor has it been a good buy
flint sapphire
Am I crazy to think a 5600x3d would be fun? 
obsidian wigeon
12th gen is a gen behind by now, and that it's not any faster than a 12600k in games
obsidian wigeon
for your case you could plop in a 5800x3d
no need for new board and ram
that's the second best gaming cpu rn
waxen finch
Eventually I do wanna get a new gpu aswell
obsidian wigeon
bar none but to 7800x3d
potent portal
that's the second best gaming cpu rn
7900X3D and 7950X3D?
frigid night
Eventually I do wanna get a new gpu aswell
Could just do what they are suggesting and plop the 5800x3d in current Mobo AND upgrade GPU since you don't need to buy new ram or mobo
obsidian wigeon
consider 6950xt also, if you want to pay less than 4070ti and still get similar perf (except in rt but that's still kinda a gimmick)
obsidian wigeon
7900X3D and 7950X3D?
well they kinda lose a bit due to multi ccd
waxen finch
Could just do what they are suggesting and plop the 5800x3d in current Mobo AND ...
Will that last me for a good bit?
obsidian wigeon
yes
waxen finch
I started to notice my 3700x slugging down in some current games
obsidian wigeon
it will
potent portal
well they kinda lose a bit due to multi ccd
Still beat the 5800X3D though
obsidian wigeon
5800x3d is magnitudes faster
alright well, the 5800x3d would be third fastest gaming cpu then lel
that speaks volumes of how good it is tho
flint sapphire
And in 4th or 5th place comes the 5600x3d at $200 at your local micro center 
obsidian wigeon
^ that's the 12900k for ya
waxen finch
Well if I were to switch to the newer gen which one would y’all recommended?
obsidian wigeon
7800x3d
or 7700x
7700x is about par with 5800x3d but you get am5 basically
7800x3d for fastest gaming cpu without stepping into those ryzen 9's, which are a tad slower anyway
frigid night
If switching to am5 though you are gonna need some DDR5
obsidian wigeon
ya of course
decent 32gb expo kits are around $90-100
$70-80 if you want to tune ram, but that's a whole different animal
waxen finch
Or would just upgrading my gpu instead be a better option
obsidian wigeon
what res do you run games at?
waxen finch
1080p
obsidian wigeon
if 1080p the 3700x will cause problems with gpus with perf tier of 3090/3090ti
not unstable system, but introduces cpu bottleneck
waxen finch
What if I stuck with my 2080 and upgraded to a 7800x3d
obsidian wigeon
it's tough to decide, but perhaps get gpu and cap fps, then cpu later
or cpu then gpu, which order you feel the most comfortable
upgrading cpu would still yield better performance though
especially in esports titles
obsidian wigeon
yeah, or you can continue using am4
and buy 5800x3d
gains will still be pretty noticeable
waxen finch
True
frigid night
Personally. New GPU and 5800x3d I think is the best way for you to go.
Especially with the current games you play.
waxen finch
I might do that and see if I can get a good deal on a 3080ti or something
obsidian wigeon
used gpu maybe?
but you gotta be somewhat careful
6950xt goes for about $600 new nowadays tho
and that gives you 3090ti rivaling perf
potent portal
5800X3D should be able to keep up with a 3090 tier GPU even at 1080p. Might be close in some games.
obsidian wigeon
i wouldn't buy any 30 series new atm
waxen finch
Why’s that?
potent portal
Same
obsidian wigeon
bad pricing
waxen finch
5800X3D should be able to keep up with a 3090 tier GPU even at 1080p. Might be c...
I might consider that
obsidian wigeon
especially in comparison to radeon 6000 being so cheap
you can get a 3090ti rival for just $600
potent portal
you can get a 3090ti rival for just $600
And that's new
obsidian wigeon
drivers are decent for the most part now too
so you shouldn't have to be concerned
waxen finch
Haven’t kept up with amd since the 5700xt launched
obsidian wigeon
it's why we keep throwing 6950xt's into builds
potent portal
You can get a brand new 6950XT for as much as a used 3080 ti goes for, it's an easy decision
obsidian wigeon
amd has way too many gpus they need to get rid of
waxen finch
I might just upgrade to a 5800x3d and get a 6950xt
potent portal
AMD also has a decent advantage over Nvidia at 1080p overall due to lower driver overhead
obsidian wigeon
especially in call of duty
the advantage of lower driver overhead is crazy there
waxen finch
What gpus are y’all running rn?
potent portal
My system is in my bio
obsidian wigeon
I run a laptop
flint sapphire
5800x3d 3080ti
waxen finch
Interesting
obsidian wigeon
Before then I was running 850M
You can imagine how much of an upgrade I did there
I bought this about less than a month ago
waxen finch
What type of laptop is it?
obsidian wigeon
It's just a standard gaming laptop really, tuf a15
frigid night
My system is in my bio
You run only one monitor?
potent portal
At the moment. I gave away my secondary.
frigid night
Aw how nice
manic cloak
anyone?
lone flame
Time to get a fan or aircon lol
i have both
lone flame
My system is in my bio
why is a 3080 $1200
potent portal
why is a 3080 $1200
Because that's a ti model I got in the middle of the shortage. Only thing you'd find at MSRP, inflated as that was already. I stood outside a best buy for 20 hours to get it too.
frigid night
Because that's a ti model I got in the middle of the shortage. Only thing you'd ...
Dedicated.
I probably would have done the same.
potent portal
I had a good time at least. Everyone next to me in line was just chill gamers, a bunch of us brought our Switches and we had a Mario kart tourney
manic cloak
It's the same thing yes
100%?
cause the original model is listed as .5 ms response
that’s as 2
mossy venture
As far as I can tell yes, but I could be wrong. Would need more info that I don't think the pics show
potent portal
cause the original model is listed as .5 ms response
Those are just marketing numbers and don't actually matter
Real world response times are more like 10-14ms
Unless you get OLED
@sharp temple I can still see cables (that totally looks better than mine) 
sharp temple
<@313604234820190208> I can still see cables (that totally looks better than min...
Ok I will just use wireless electricity I guess
potent portal
Yes Tesla coil or nothing
potent portal
Just make sure you're grounded at all times or you might end up like Beaker there
manic cloak
Real world response times are more like 10-14ms
ah alr
potent portal
ah alr
That monitor advertises 1ms response time but in real testing it can't do that at all in any transitions
(msi optix g273)
Total response time average is 12.7ms
Which is still below the realm of human perception in 99.9% of people
flint sapphire
For the memes here’s a oled…
potent portal
0.8 across the board for an average total of 1.8ms.
This is why OLED is cheating for gaming. That 10ms will totally mean the difference between life and death. /s
potent portal
If you're looking at 240mm AIOs odds are a $35 tower cooler will do you just fine
lone flame
as in the thing in my case already for 20 bucks
potent portal
The pump on those frostflows will die pretty quickly
flint sapphire
This is the best a non oled screen can do atm also for the memes
500hz Alienware ips
potent portal
500Hz is also cheating, ofc it's fast response at that Hz lol
flint sapphire
Still more then double the response time somehow though
obsidian wigeon
not quite sure tho cuz my laptop has diff panel than one in the review
144hz 1080p on both but the panel is diff
potent portal
Still more then double the response time somehow though <:kekw:74167835079108199...
It's those magical pixels on the oleds man, they're straight out of a sci-fi
flint sapphire
It's those magical pixels on the oleds man, they're straight out of a sci-fi
my main monitor now is garbage rip ViewSonic Elite XG270QG
potent portal
Yes 3.3 avg/7.9 total is bad now. It's still below human perception range but smaller number good.
manic cloak
ngl this reminds me of imdb rating each episode and season
@potent portal @mossy venture (sorry for tags) I found the monitor, I guess it has an R in front of it https://store.acer.com/en-us/27-nitro-xv2-gaming-monitor-xv272u-rvbmiiprx
it’s not vbmiiprx, it Rvmbiiprx
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Vbmiiprx-Zero-Frame-Agile-Splendor-Overclock/dp/B09R26XXFW side by side here
fleet heron
dang i love the 29452asdaezxcn7290dcvk2349234sddkajsd
manic cloak
damn bro I just want my vnbkudfawdhh
manic cloak
There's also KVbmiiprzx
is there any difference between the 2, and if so.. is it the K or the V I want?
potent portal
No idea because Acer loves to hide little changes and differences behind their cryptic naming
manic cloak
oh get this
the refurbished also has UM.HX2AA.V02 in front of it!
I love you acer, I hope your next line up of laptops has to get recalled <33
fleet heron
I love you acer, I hope your next line up of laptops has to get recalled <33
dang thats preety mean if i do say so myself
manic cloak
@potent portal From my understanding that this monitor here: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Vbmiiprx-Zero-Frame-Agile-Splendor-Overclock/dp/B09R26XXFW/ref=asc_df_B09R26XXFW/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=598250021259&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2895833176637727794&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019638&hvtargid=pla-1683066048394&th=1
is the same just refurbished as: https://acerrecertified.com/acer-nitro-27-monitor-wqhd-2560x1440-170hz-ips-16-9-2ms-gtg-250nit-freesync-xv272u-vbmiiprx/
the 2ms I can't find why is different but it doesn't matter cause what you explained earlier
WHAT I can find the difference between the RVbmiiprx and the Vbmiiprx base model, is I believe just HDR400 certification, with R being certified.
actually wait, both of them are hdr400 certified.. this is messed up ;-;
manic cloak
https://tenor.com/view/cat-aaa-scream-keyboard-acer-laptop-gif-26498924
OK OK OK I FIGURED IT OUT I BELIEVE
R has a 5 ms response time with HDMI
Vbmiiprx base has a 2 ms response time with HDMI
IT IS ADVERTISED TO HAVE .5 WHILE OCING/USING DP
so that's what I belive the difference is
a crapper or slower panel maybe?
but I believe that the Facebook market one is R and is different to the.. whatever that is above, and the refrub is the same as the brand new.
also found this.
oml, I think I figured it out. R uses a better panel (I think) with a slower base response time of 5 ms, while V just uses 2 ms. R is supposedly to have DP 1.4 instead of DP 1.2 like the V, with R also having a USB port unlike V where it has 0 (images show V with usb's but ebay lists that it has 0, crappy marketing)
somebody tell me why USB ports on a monitor are important 😭
potent portal
Mostly they're used as a way to upgrade the firmware or as a hub for whatever you want to plug in there, flash drive, mouse dongle, whatever
More recently they've been adding USB C ports to monitors that follow the USB PD spec and can charge your laptop (or phone, etc)
manic cloak
More recently they've been adding USB C ports to monitors that follow the USB PD...
so, should I buy the XV272U Vbmiiprx (no usb, dp 1.2 likely, worser panel?) from amazon for 183$ USD after tax + amazon and acer warranty, or the XV272U RVbmiiprx (possible DP 1.4, a usb port?, better panel?) for 180$ off of fbm without any warranty.
potent portal
That one's up to you, how much is that warranty worth to you
manic cloak
or should I pay 200+ 40$ shipping for a used M27Q-P..
little osprey
Hi
mossy venture
Hi
mossy venture
or should I pay 200+ 40$ shipping for a used M27Q-P..
Imo nah
More than a g27q new
warm turtle
Hello, I have a M16 R1 Alienware laptop and I was told the components are not soldered in and are replaceable. I want to upgrade to Ram to 32 or 64 but I don’t know what would be the best option of brand and how to make sure it is compatible. So question 1. Is it true possible to change them out. 2. What is way to tell compatibility. 3. What is good brand
cyan ravine
You'll need to open it to check if it has soldered ram, CAM ram or sodimm
Or, if you're worried this voids warranty, you can look online for other people with the same year and model laptop opening it up
Upgrading the ram will only really be possible with sodimms
Also with laptop ram, brand means almost nothing
Brands like corsair, gigabyte, g.skill, all resellers
They take from another manufacturer which you could buy direct from anyway
If anything? You could download a program called "CPU-Z" to check the memory tab to see what manufacturer it is
And then match that with another sodimm stick
But other than that not really any point to it
little osprey
Why can I not send photos?
weary galleon
Uhoh ive made a slight mistake
Ordered that p5 nvme drive which will fit fine in my current pc
But
The matx build I have at college only has one nvme slot
mossy venture
You need rank for photos
I've told him three times I don't think he reads the answer
weary galleon
I've told him three times I don't think he reads the answer
If he keeps asking enough he'll rank up and be able to send pics
mossy venture
True
weary galleon
Someone else will ask the same thing and he'll respond: I dunno I just kept asking and eventually it worked
manic cloak
So... Should I buy this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09QFGWF7H/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2WEQERLWJ42N3&psc=1
No USB port, no clue if i'll ever need it.
mossy venture
Nice price on it
Imo usbs on monitors are stupid, a lot of the time with kbs mice and headphones it adds input delay
If you need more usb ports for your pc, a USB hub is like $10
manic cloak
Ya.. I have my headphones and mouse plugged into my pc.
- asus board
@mossy venture with OCing, how do I do that? Just use DP?
not OCing my cpu or gpu, "Ocing" my monitor ig?
potent portal
With the monitors that advertise an overclock you enable it in the OSD and then you can set it in GPU settings
manic cloak
osd?
restive halo
I have this and $300 lol need to build the best you can get lol https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ckHV34
potent portal
On Screen Display, the settings in the monitor itself
manic cloak
On Screen Display, the settings in the monitor itself
ah. that thingy.. I got gigabyte but it doesn't look like the one gigabyte advertises
expectations
reality
potent portal
Yeah you have the updated version, the website has the old one
manic cloak
Yeah you have the updated version, the website has the old one
the top one is the older?
or is the bottom one older.
potent portal
The top one
manic cloak
ah, ngl it looks better.
so how do I oc the monitor? like is there a certain setting on osd or?
potent portal
Do you have a model that advertises a faster refresh rate than you get with stock settings?
manic cloak
Do you have a model that advertises a faster refresh rate than you get with stoc...
165hz (170hz)
aka g27f 2
so yes.
potent portal
Well the first thing you should do is run your serial number through this to see if yours is affected by the recall https://member.aorus.com/global/g27f2-service-check
mossy venture
I have this and $300 lol need to build the best you can get lol https://pcpartpi...
This is the cheapest you can really do, and it still needs a gpu https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L2qYcH
Wait wrong link
There we go
Still needs a gpu
I'd either save up for a 6650xt new, that refurbished 3060 ti in #tech-deals ,or buy something used
restive halo
I was trying to see if there was a way to do it with a 5600g
I keep coming up at $400
$450
I can add the GPU later based on the persons needs
obsidian wigeon
how about 4600g if any?
yeah 4600g is 95
all these cpus perform the same anyway
3600 perf
mossy venture
I keep coming up at $400
mossy venture
Personally I would go 4500 and like a 580 used, it would be similarly priced
potent portal
165hz (170hz)
It's in the "display" sub menu in the OSD
manic cloak
I don't see anything..
manic cloak
It's in the "display" sub menu in the OSD
also, https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/8110263470 should I trust this?
restive halo
Personally I would go 4500 and like a 580 used, it would be similarly priced
I don't usually buy used parts without links because I got screwed last time.
potent portal
also, https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/8110263470 should I tr...
As far as manufacturer stated specifications go
mossy venture
I don't usually buy used parts without links because I got screwed last time.
Then 5600g is your only real option, but it really isn't good priced for what you get
4500 has the same cpu performance
restive halo
Then 5600g is your only real option, but it really isn't good priced for what yo...
Yeah but what's the cost on the gpu.
manic cloak
is Agile-Splendor (AS-IPS) any good/better than just IPS?
mossy venture
Yeah but what's the cost on the gpu.
Depending on what you find and what gpus you look for, similar performing to 580 8gb around $50-75
580 8gb, 1060 6gb, 1660/s/to, 1070
Anything around there
Could go 1650/570 but those will struggle with some titles
But definitely a good step up from 5600g
manic cloak
@potent portal any update on this?
potent portal
idk they must have moved it
manic cloak
cause i'll have to do the same on the acer
for 170 hz
what's it called?
just OC?
ornate condor
Any good 850w psu option 
ornate condor
A tier yeah
https://a.co/d/i5WY7jk looking at this which is 110$
Why psu prices are high
potent portal
You missed the one that was $75 after rebate a few days ago
ornate condor
mossy venture
Imo this is best price for what you get rn https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6PsV3C/enermax-revolution-df-2-1200-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ers1200ewt
Just overkill for basically anything except double gpu
So I'd go gf1 850 or xpg core reactor, otherwise rme750
potent portal
Really? Not for an overclocked 13900KS and 4090 on a custom loop?
Eh I guess not since Revo DF 2 is B tier
cyan ravine
You can run those both on a good 1000W
I can say this with confidence cos I've done it
potent portal
While I do believe you, were you also running 15 rgb fans 2 pumps and 4 light strips
cyan ravine
I mean you're definitely going over spec if you load both at once
But it's really only peak power
Loaded and stable you should be some ways under 1000 on the 12v rail
Now if on the other hand, you had direct die
Yeah nah, not happening
restive halo
But definitely a good step up from 5600g
Looking for a 580 now
earnest olive
you can do better than an rx 580 for sure
ornate condor
Great amazon warehouse mobo
reef marten
Hey everyone how's it going?
cyan ravine
Good fam hbu
strong raft
2 day shipping on my 12700k combo. 
pseudo forge
anyone know how to stop my windows settings from auto opening everytime i start PC
weak flint
mossy venture
Seems about right
earnest olive
Great amazon warehouse mobo <:kekw:741678350791081994>
pins go crunch?
earnest olive
i'll test them for you if you want
earnest olive
they're just out of stock so putting a stupid price instead of taking the listing down in case they get stock later
happens all the time
ornate condor
Gotta Build 21 PC for customer
uneven goblet
anybody heard of intertech psu?
little osprey
anybody heard of intertech psu?
No, and if it's not on the PSU tier list I wouldn't trust it
uneven goblet
i asked 2 stores for b760 and ddr5
request for pc
and they gave me a mobo for ddr4 and ram ddr5
cyan ravine
Well they must have got that way wrong
uneven goblet
but 2 stores bruh
cyan ravine
Coming from a guy that's owned a ton of ddr4 and ddr5
uneven goblet
is it worth getting ddr5 ?
cyan ravine
Depends
uneven goblet
on what
cyan ravine
Nowadays I lean towards yes if you pick the right skus and prices
uneven goblet
what is skus?
cyan ravine
Best of the best stuff cam be had for as low as $73
cyan ravine
what is skus?
Models, products
What's your budget my guy
I'll have you sorted out in a few minutes
cyan ravine
All good, just spill ya guts lol
cyan ravine
Maybe a bit longer than a few minutes cos of the country difference
uneven goblet
you wont find it in pcpicker
cyan ravine
Alr so bam, what country is that
cyan ravine
You'll have to forgive my geography skills, is that europe, middle east or africa
uneven goblet
europe
uneven goblet
nah
frigid night
Can you order from Germany at all
Ha. No
uneven goblet
but you can use it still
cyan ravine
Alr
I'll make a list out of euros with a 20% leftover in the budget
You can use that to play it by ear for your local stores
Brb
uneven goblet
ok thanks
cyan ravine
@uneven goblet something around this sort of spec
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/GjLkL9
There maybe local price differences
I'm guessing this is just for normal pc stuff yeah?
If Germany is any indicator DDR5 doesn't look worth buying into
uneven goblet
ddr5 is expensive in germany?
cyan ravine
Very much so
uneven goblet
thank you
cyan ravine
leaden mauve
No, and if it's not on the PSU tier list I wouldn't trust it
i have a 1500W thermaltake toughpower psu from 2011 thats not on the list 🥱
potent portal
i have a 1500W thermaltake toughpower psu from 2011 thats not on the list 🥱
Yes it is, under F tier
potent portal
You probably have hybrid sleep on
So it's more like a state of hibernation and not totally shut down
That does help it start slightly faster and doesn't really affect anything else much. If you reboot it'll reset.
runic spruce
What falcie said and uptime is kinda just a random number most of the time
Don’t really pay attention to it
lone flame
mk
i was concerned that for some reason when i shut my pc off it was still somehow running or something
lone flame
my friend asked about the best gaming laptop for 1000$ he could get
he is in the uk if it means anything, he has no space for a desktop
obsidian wigeon
1000 usd or pounds?
obsidian wigeon
my friend asked about the best gaming laptop for 1000$ he could get
assuming budget is 1000 pounds
lone flame
1000 usd or pounds?
pounds
obsidian wigeon
then that one is it
grab the tuf a15
it's great, i have it myself along with felix
me and felix has 4050 and 3060 vers accordingly, but they're the same
limber oyster
Looking at adding a splitter/ball valve into the return line for my reservoir as a drain valve. Anyone have any options that I could go?
potent portal
Something like this would work well https://koolance.com/vlv-xutx4b-drain-valve-brass
Chop a little section out of the tube and stick that in the gap
limber oyster
Corsair Hydro X Series Xt... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TPL4QB9?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Here's my tubing
limber oyster
Wouldn't I need a three way splitter
One end to put the line into, one end for the drain valve, and another to exit the splitter and go into the reservoir?
potent portal
One end to put the line into, one end for the drain valve, and another to exit t...
That's what I linked
limber oyster
Ahh ok
manic cloak
no clue if this is trusted
cause otherwise this here https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903768190717411339/1075245347657486426/image.png
doesn’t make any sense really.
potent portal
Pick 2 GPUs to compare, and whichever is closer to the top is generally the winner
lyric thistle
It would only be suitable for 720p
fossil cedar
1440p atm is probably the best for measuring across majority of gpus, as at 1080p sometimes you'll see a cpu bottleneck that's why 6950xt and 4090 are basically the same at 1080p, but it lines up close enough to one below it
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JNYTWt
It's okay for 1080p but they could deff go 1440p medium
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JNYTWt
Also i wouldn't get that psu, poor price, this instead would be better https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7pmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-pe-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-1
uneven goblet
Also i wouldn't get that psu, poor price, this instead would be better https://p...
what about thermaltake gf1 750w fully modular?
fossil cedar
what about thermaltake gf1 750w fully modular?
That's good too but at least in the US, the 850w is like the same price or very close atm
uneven goblet
ok what about gigabyte gp_ud850gm 850w gold
vague oracle
Nah
fossil cedar
ok what about gigabyte gp_ud850gm 850w gold
Decent, depends on the price if it's a good buy, here's a tier list, anything B or A tier is good, C tier is fine for lower end, try to avoid anything under C
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
uneven goblet
Decent, depends on the price if it's a good buy, here's a tier list, anything B ...
its lower price than termaltake gf1
and i think gigabyte is in b tier?
and gf1 in A?
also
can someone explain it to me waht diffrence betwen renegade and beast?
fossil cedar
and gf1 in A?
Both are good options just depends on what gpu you want and what the prices are and what else is available
fossil cedar
also
can someone explain it to me waht diffrence betwen renegade and beast?
Renegade and beast what?
uneven goblet
Both are good options just depends on what gpu you want and what the prices are ...
4070
uneven goblet
Renegade and beast what?
ram
fossil cedar
Oh brand and model of ram really doesn't matter
Just the speed, capacity and timings (cl is the main one that you'll see)
uneven goblet
i took renegrade
fossil cedar
What cpu? And what's the price difference?
uneven goblet
You'll be fine with any 650w from a or b tier just get the cheapest then
got a gigabyte gp:ud850
uneven goblet
What cpu? And what's the price difference?
13400f
fossil cedar
That's fine too
uneven goblet
14 dollar diffrence
fossil cedar
Get 3200c16, the non k intel cpus can't run gear 1 in 3600mhz so 3200 would actually be better in this case, and definitely cheaper
uneven goblet
19 dollar diffrence betwen 3600mhz cl 16 and 3200 cl16
uneven goblet
Get 3200c16, the non k intel cpus can't run gear 1 in 3600mhz so 3200 would actu...
??
i dont understand
fossil cedar
??
Gear 1 and gear 2, are the options that ram can run in, gear 1 offers lower latency(delay) but struggles with higher frequencies, so with 3600mhz your cpu would switch to gear 2 which has a higher latency making it actually slower since it's not a big enough bandwidth (mhz) increase to win over the gear 1, lower speed
fossil cedar
No it'll just be slower than 3200cl16 gear 1 so you might as well get that, it'll still be 3600mhz cl16 but just gear 2, worse than 3200mhz c16 gear 1
Basically slower speed in this case is better and cheaper
uneven goblet
what about overclock?
its only 19 dollars diffrence
and where did you learn this from?
fossil cedar
Nope, most ram kits don't overclock very well, also ram is a very long process to overclock properly
fossil cedar
and where did you learn this from?
This specific thing
https://youtu.be/AgFlB0HG_84
fossil cedar
Yes, it applies to all cpus, and people have found out at least on 12th and 13th gen that non K can only a maximum of 3200mhz in gear 1
After that it'll go to gear 2
vague oracle
DDR5 only runs in gear 2 or 4, still will be faster than DDR4 tho
paper summit
Gear 4 
arctic hedge
Hey, the psu that i received came with the incorrect plug (europe) i need a UK plug, can someone help me find a suitable adapter?
Ive found a few but im not sure if its suitable
the plug states "16A 250V~"
some of these adapters say "13A 250V~"
paper summit
13a is more than enough lol
paper summit
13amps at 250v is 3,250 watts 💀
obsidian wigeon
ye
paper summit
Yes
paper summit
Ur psu WILL NOT do that
arctic hedge
What about the plug for the psu which says 16a and 250v
obsidian wigeon
if you want you can follow the original cable spec
arctic hedge
I cant find any adapters with the same spec
arctic hedge
Oh okay so i should purchase the 13a 250v one then
obsidian wigeon
ya
arctic hedge
Okay thanks!
infact
im gonna send it here, can you look at it just to make sure
VOZZTTI European to UK Plug Adaptor- 1Pack, 2 pin to 3 pin Adapter Plug UK, Travel Adapter Eu Plug Adapter from Eu Europe Euro France, Italy, Spain, Germany to British – White https://amzn.eu/d/ayKNB1a
manic cloak
Also i wouldn't get that psu, poor price, this instead would be better https://p...
isn't the gf3 the newer models?
fossil cedar
isn't the gf3 the newer models?
yes, but new doesnt mean better, gf1 is one of the top of A tier, gf3 is B tier
manic cloak
yes, but new doesnt mean better, gf1 is one of the top of A tier, gf3 is B tier
I don't think the gf3 T in lower wattage has been tested itself
there's GF A3 but that's a complete different model
fossil cedar
ah sorry ye its in A tier, only hte 1650w is B tier
fossil cedar
I don't think the gf3 T in lower wattage has been tested itself
but still, GF1 is just as good, and same price for 100w more is a no brainer
manic cloak
but I have the gf3 AA? god this stuff is like acer all over again
ah wait, it went up in price
wait
no
cyan ravine
manic cloak
cause i only see Thermaltake | Toughpower : GF3 1650W in B, then Toughpower : GF3 <=1200W & 1350W in A.
only a hypothesis 🤓 👆 but if higher wattage is in a lower tier, while a lower is in A, then shouldn't 750-850w be in A aswell if it was tested?
mystic dune
hello, what do you need help with?
fossil cedar
only a hypothesis 🤓 👆 but if higher wattage is in a lower tier, while a lower...
Anything less than or equal to 1200w gf3 is A tier yes, but more expensive and just as good as gf1, just has the native pcie 16 pin cable
thorn mural
Best cheapest psu? for 450 or 500w
cyan ravine
Best cheapest psu? for 450 or 500w
Apevia prestige 600w
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7vrrHG
also wouldnt get that motherboard, aio, ram (at that price), gpu, ssd(at that prce) or PSU (at that price
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7vrrHG
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dxDcfy
With this gpu straight from the manufacturer:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/385898807669
supple geyser
UHH
cyan ravine
Cheaper by 30% and faster
cyan ravine
Same answer as above
No idea.
But if you're looking to buy a pc rn, at that spec, that's what I'd do instead
supple geyser
half the stuff are missing
cyan ravine
Yes
Because this is gonna give the same performance for much cheaper
In some cases faster
supple geyser
imma make a buck milly cutie
bro what motherboard supports ddr5 intel i9
this is good for the buck milly
mossy venture
That isn't well priced
Are you gaming?
If so the 12900k is awfully priced, it loses to the 7600 in gaming, which is $200
@supple geyser
supple geyser
rlly
mossy venture
If you're set on an nvidia gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CnTnQP
Or get this open box 3080 directly from nvidia https://www.ebay.com/itm/385898807669
$435
Performs same as the 4070 for $165 cheaper
supple geyser
bro i was gonna do 7600 and a rtx 4070 but somebody told me thats gay
wdym
it dosent ship to bahrain
deal withit
mossy venture
?
pseudo forge
is a 4080 worth the £600 more than a 4070? planning on playing on 1440p. Warzone Apex Valorant.
cyan ravine
You'd be better off going AMD in a like for like scenario for cod
AMD is like, 30%+ faster specifically in that one series
pseudo forge
do you get DLSS and stuff tho
cyan ravine
No but you get better latency which is ultimately what you want for snappier game response and headshots etc
New stuff like dlss 3 make latency worse instead of better so no point
Other than dlss tho amd has basically everything just under a different name
pseudo forge
damn
pseudo forge
i only play Val Apex WZ
cyan ravine
What resolution?
pseudo forge
damn i always thought RTX is way better than amd lol
cyan ravine
Nah man not always
There's a specific map in wz2 iirc
That albeit everything else is great, it hates rdna 2
So all the other maps are quick but it will die on the 6900xt
It's weird lmao
pseudo forge
whats is rdna2 lol
cyan ravine
Ah
Radeon 6000 series
So like
6700xt, 6900xt etc
I'd say the XTX would be pretty solid overall but even 6900xt still great
Go for the cheapest of either one
They all have the same electrical design so the rest are minor differences and aesthetics
Nothing you'd need to worry about anyway
pseudo forge
5600x cpu be bottleneck?
cyan ravine
Nah we can reel it back a little
6800xt still amazing
Only 500-ish dollars too
What psu have you got? And ram?
pseudo forge
my psu is 850w coller master gold fully mod
mossy venture
Especially warzone 2 is cpu focused
cyan ravine
Ah so you're probably good there
mossy venture
So 5600x will definitely be limiting in that
pseudo forge
ram 3600 16gb
cyan ravine
Ram deserves an upgrade for sure
pseudo forge
what cpu would you recommend?
mossy venture
And down the line you can throw in a 5800x3d, your mobo will likely be fine for it
pseudo forge
Ram deserves an upgrade for sure
like 2 extra stick would be good or?
mossy venture
You don't wanna buy just random sticks, you need to match the die to your current kit
pseudo forge
yeee
mossy venture
Or just buy a 32gb 3600c18 kit for $55 and sell current ram
cyan ravine
Here you go lad
Grab the ram and gpu first
Then if it still feels lacking, grab that cpu
mossy venture
3080 is $435 open box from zotac
mossy venture
Better price/perf than $520 6800xt
mossy venture
True
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M76Lzf
This cooler with the cpu if you decide to upgrade cpu
Now for monitor
pseudo forge
i got a lian li cooler atm should be fine no?
cyan ravine
Oh which one
The water cooler?
Bacca is this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TdbRsY/hp-omen-27qs-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-omen-27qs
M27q x panel?
pseudo forge
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHFbt6/powercolor-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-red-devil-oc-video-card-axrx-6950xt-16gbd6-3dheoc this any good?
pseudo forge
yeee
cyan ravine
Ah one sec
Monitor in the first link
This monitor also works
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Lc4Zxr/samsung-odyssey-g65b-320-2560-x-1440-240-hz-curved-monitor-ls32bg650euxxu
cyan ravine
Lol this will be pretty big then
cyan ravine
Yeah things keep getting cheaper rn
mossy venture
Bacca is this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TdbRsY/hp-omen-27qs-270-2560-x-14...
Not a clue
pseudo forge
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=SGRAASR6900XTPH is this worth?
mossy venture
so what is amd version of the 4070
Are you playing games competitively
Or do you play casually
pseudo forge
is used but they are like a reliable seller in UK
mossy venture
If casually no point in 240hz
cyan ravine
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=SGRAASR6900XTPH is this worth?
Ye tbh if it's legit
pseudo forge
competitvely like for money or?
pseudo forge
Ye tbh if it's legit
is that a really good price or just normal
mossy venture
Yeah, otherwise for the most part aside from 4080/7900xtx/4090 no point in 240hz
Also btw apex really likes amd gpus iirc
cyan ravine
is that a really good price or just normal
Really good
pseudo forge
might buy rn then lol
mossy venture
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=SGRAASR6900XTPH is this worth?
I cant see this, what is it?
pseudo forge
yeah lol idk if US have one
cyan ravine
That's a legit place
pseudo forge
bought it lol
cyan ravine
Nice
mossy venture
Worst case scenario just charge back on your card
But I do believe the site is legit, like felix said it's in AUS and it's fairly well known
pseudo forge
nah it is legit i been to the store
i just dont know how good a 6900xt on 1440p is
and how "future proof" it is
frigid night
i just dont know how good a 6900xt on 1440p is
Oh it's gonna do 1440p easy
frigid night
and how "future proof" it is
You'll be able to play games for a good while before needing to upgrade
frigid night
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail?id=sgramsi695016gb&categoryName=graphics-car...
I'm blocked from accessing the site for some reason.
What is it?
Oh nvm 6950xt gaming trio
I don't know much about UK prices so I can't tell ya.
Maybe @mossy citrus can
mossy venture
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail?id=sgramsi695016gb&categoryName=graphics-car...
Def not
pseudo forge
the MSI version of the 6900xt is 60 more than the one i got
any difference?\
i like that look of the msi one better lol
obsidian wigeon
not worth paying extra
mossy venture
Sorry bacca
Gonna start crying
mossy venture
any difference?\
Nah
mossy venture
Yes
pseudo forge
gonna go for msi version lol
mossy citrus
pseudo forge
guess its a uk site thats why
obsidian wigeon
ya gotta use vpn
paper summit
No
jagged ember
Come back when you're a little richer
pseudo forge
appreciate the help all
mossy venture
i only play Val Apex WZ
Also, just because I just realized this, all three of these games prefer amd
Not that it'll matter in valorant or apex
pseudo forge
ye wz is the main one poorly optimised lol
mossy venture
Valorant is subtle, considering it can run on a gt 1030 lol
pseudo forge
mossy venture
And apex my friend runs on a 1650 at medium settings
Nice price on it
Good monitor
Just normally overpriced, which is the only flaw with it, but thats a good price
Prob better than the one felix linked earlier
pseudo forge
really hope the 6900xt can give me 150+fps on wz apex 1440p lol
pseudo forge
will i notice a difference when playing games from a 5500xt to 6900xt
or will the experience feel the same ish
mossy venture
really hope the 6900xt can give me 150+fps on wz apex 1440p lol
Easily, though 5600x might not give 150 at high-ultra settings in warzone. Won't see that unless you're buying the 5800x3d right now (im not sure if you are so if you are I will eat my words)
And yes you will notice a huge difference
That's a similar jump from when I went from 1030 to 3060 ti, which was crazyyyyy
pseudo forge
I will most likely play low graphics like I always do. Just better for competitive aspect
mossy venture
Ah with 6900xt I'd atleast to medium-high in warzone personally, atleast for some stuff like textures
But that's me, I think the game looks like play doh on low settings, but if you enjoy it more that's up to you
In apex and valorant though, I get 144fps (and that's capped, in actuality I can get much more) with a 3060 ti and 13600k at 1440p
At max settings
fleet heron
I mean a 3060 ti can't get THAT much more
mossy venture
I mean a 3060 ti can't get THAT much more
I've gotten 300 fps stable in val lol
manic cloak
<@364936187623768076> nothing beats amazon prime™ shipping amirite
oh heck ya
rn i’m running fortnite on 30 fps
cyan ravine
All ya need bruv
mossy venture
my 6700 can get around 300 on only 1080p
Ye, valorant is cpu focused though
And I've got a 13600k which is a decent bit better
manic cloak
i have one of the best cpus for nothing
practically. i don’t play cpu focused games
😭
playing 4k feels amazing though
ngl maybe i should of bought those 200$ used 4k office monitors
with like 6ms response time even though it means nothing
jagged ember
but playing at 1440 gives you the frames
potent portal
i have one of the best cpus for nothing
It's not for nothing, it's for the future. Upgrade the GPU in a couple gens and you should have 4090 tier performance on a 6070 ti or something, and the CPU will be put to hard labor at that point.
fleet heron
Ye, valorant is cpu focused though
yea good yea good point lol
first builds are always a mess lol
ouch
well ouch for your wallet lmao
jagged ember
rma
potent portal
My first "build" was just an upgrade on the ibuygarbage prebuilt I started with. And yes, it was a mess.
lone flame
My first "build" was just an upgrade on the ibuygarbage prebuilt I started with....
i honestly got so lucky with my cyberpower prebuilt
it gave me no issues and was actually built very well
obsidian wigeon
not too bad
manic cloak
1 tb m.2, but idk the psu. Is this any good?
obsidian wigeon
but eh
manic cloak
front aio too, with fans on top
obsidian wigeon
can do better probably buying new parts, if we ignore aio
obsidian wigeon
yep
manic cloak
an asus 144hx monitor at 1080p
manic cloak
would it be worth to byo or actually buy this for a cousin who has an i3 + 8gb of ddr3 laptop from 4 years ago
he says money doesn’t matter, yet he only has 700$ to his name after going to thailand 😭
obsidian wigeon
lmao
well yeah
i would say it's worth it
very much so
800 for all those parts and a monitor is not a bad purchase
manic cloak
practically whatever is in the build exceeds the price he’s offering at
either he has some crappy psu or this is an actual good deal for 800$
then again, meh specs except for 6700xg
xt*
manic cloak
or a 700w thermaltake psu for 55$
vapid bridge
hi guys need help... upgrading from a ryzen 7 2700x to a ryzen 5 5600x what bios version do i update to? ( using a asrock b450m pro4)
obsidian wigeon
you can find the bios you need in the site for your board
vapid bridge
do i just download the latest one?
obsidian wigeon
depends on the board
so usually you need to get the version that specifically adds support for newer cpus
vapid bridge
ahh okie
vapid bridge
so just download the bios that allows for compatibility
vapid bridge
alrighty thank you ❤️
pale bane
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/zKWt6D for how much could I sell this build used?
fossil cedar
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/zKWt6D for how much could I sell this build use...
You might be able to get 400-500€ for it
thorn mural
What’s the cheapest pc can get for like $500 or 600 max
obsidian wigeon
What’s the cheapest pc can get for like $500 or 600 max
do this
it's actually cheaper to get a kit instead of buying two sticks of what you chose
not like 13100f can run 4800 anyway
potent portal
The DDR5 IMC can run it fine
It's at about 5600 that you might need to change gears
potent portal
Not to mention you might end up with 2 different dies
obsidian wigeon
i wouldn't do ddr5 with such low budget
it's just not feasible
8 bucks over budget but you get a somewhat better gpu
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bQCdCd
Assuming you're in the US: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8p9CJy
supple geyser
how good is this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j99rHG
vague oracle
Actually not bad, no case?
vague oracle
Where are you from?
supple geyser
bahrain
vague oracle
Ahh
supple geyser
I need a white
fossil cedar
how good is this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j99rHG
Id do this instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BDxgsh
obsidian wigeon
that board is also white
supple geyser
nah ill remake it and u rate it out of 10
obsidian wigeon
i'd go with pato's list
fossil cedar
Ahh
supple geyser
this is great for the buck milly
but problem is
im ordering on black friday
idk how much this will be on black friday
wait the cooler not compitable
its only intel and am4
obsidian wigeon
that's not the best way you can optimize for your budget
supple geyser
it is not budget too much..
well
i heared rumors that this could cost 900 on black friday
from 1500 to 900
obsidian wigeon
no one knows how much these products will drop in price
also don't get samsung ssds, they're overpriced these days
supple geyser
solidgim not on stock
i tried
it is out of stock
and im doing an wll white build
supple geyser
ill just get the rtx 4060
fossil cedar
solidgim not on stock
Are you not buying in the us or something?
fossil cedar
Right but then you said you where getting your case from your home country, sounded like you where temporarily in the US
supple geyser
wdym
fossil cedar
That's a big big downgrade btw
supple geyser
Uhm, i see
fossil cedar
The way you phrased the message above i thought you where visiting the USA
obsidian wigeon
that's not true
supple geyser
It is.
obsidian wigeon
4070 is at the ballpark of 3080 perf
supple geyser
oh wait