building-and-recc-chat

[manic cloak]

never had an issue with my cpu anyways

[cyan ravine]

yeah if you had no issues and it's still that way, it's fine

[manic cloak]

better question is

how do i get the thermal paste off

[cyan ravine]

if you use your hands very carefully and GENTLY

you can slowly get it off with a needle

sometimes two can lift whole blobs off

[cyan ravine]

but you need to be so careful not to bend the pins

[manic cloak]

WHY IS THE QUALITY SO BAD

I HAVE A 13 PRO

APPLE YOURE LITERALLY 👉👌 ME

[cyan ravine]

I don't really need a vid 💀

[manic cloak]

this should work

idk if it helps

[cyan ravine]

oml

[little osprey]

Why is there thermal paste in your socket 😭

[manic cloak]

NO CLUE

[cyan ravine]

I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt that it was the same as you said when you bought it and you've had no issues

those pins are, really bent 💀

[manic cloak]

oh my 💀

[cyan ravine]

but you seem to have been fine

[manic cloak]

so uh

should I get it fixed..?

[cyan ravine]

just worry about the paste now

[manic cloak]

also you think warranty could cover?

[cyan ravine]

the fix is a new board if it was broken

[manic cloak]

got it from microcenter on black friday so..

[cyan ravine]

you could try

[manic cloak]

“the board shuts off randomly and i’m scared i’ll experience the 78003xd issue”

i never got offered protection

but you said a needle could fix?

or.. I go buy a gigabyte z690 for 179.99

[cyan ravine]

standard laws prevent any malpractice such as no warranty coverage

[cyan ravine]

the paste yes. pins no

[manic cloak]

nah they won’t

pins aren’t bendable?

or well

with a needle

[cyan ravine]

they're very thin gold foil

they can and most likely will snap if you try

mhm

[manic cloak]

got it

well, i’m gonna contact asus first, put everything back on, then ya..

uhhh

hate to break it to you

it’s 10 pm

and well

they don’t have phone calls as an option 😭

it goes to some national hotline i think

let me check

ah

thermal paste on the socket makes sense

lifted up and put it back down to unscrew

:/

[manic cloak]

@little osprey so i was putting on the thermaltake right or whatever contact plate and i lifted up my cpu, the botherbosrd pins have been bent like that ever since I got it

and so, I was removing the latch, thermal paste got on it, issue is that there’s also very bent pins

i just got most of the thermal paste on there but it’s still there.

so i’m gonna have to rma it, and they’ll have to charge for shipping ofc and also for having a person damaging fee onto it

basically saying it’s not their fault but mine, considering the thermal paste was my fault

so they want me to RMA it

[digital nebula]

whats a good application for controlling the RGB colors in our pc?

[manic cloak]

@cyan ravine i gotta remove my motherboard from the pc ;-;

there was this little backplate for the mount of my pa120, one corner screw came off and slipped

i’m gonna just

[cyan ravine]

Everything comes in 3's

Remember that

[digital nebula]

so msi motherboard itoud be msi center?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

but you can use signal rgb or open rgb

[digital nebula]

well as of right now my pc prebuilt fans wont do anything or sinc with my aio fans

how does one fix that

[obsidian wigeon]

the rgb?

or the fan speed

[digital nebula]

the rgb

[obsidian wigeon]

the fans could have fixed rgb or only controlled through a controller

if they're actually rgb or argb, rgb programs should work

[digital nebula]

theyre the prebuilt fans from the lian li lancool 3

sayd theyre argb

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah they should be argb then

[digital nebula]

so should i go to the back of my pc and see where i have the fans connected to?

cause they seem like theyre daisy chained so id figure theres one plug i would have to use

[obsidian wigeon]

maybe, up to you

[digital nebula]

well i mean i would like for all of my fans to be working rgb and what not

so ig ill have to

[manic cloak]

i didn’t think it was a massive issue

cause i thought it was the lighting

yk what, this may be inconvenient but I went to get my bios upgraded at microcenter

and the guy who did it was, very fast paced from what I remember

who knows though, it still worked

[manic cloak]

?

he did update my bios in like 5 minutes too 💀

and it was us waiting like 4 minutes for the bios

i had the ram alr installed, just the cpu and psu not

i didn’t have a 12th gen

my friend did but he was too stubborn

“oh you just gotta remove your ram bro to make it boot”

btw asus tuf gaming z690 with no bios flash before the 11/30 update which gave it 13th gen support w/o update

never did to me, humbled him

so yup :)

@little osprey question

does the back io usually snap to the case?

[lyric thistle]

Yeah?

Like the io plate snaps into the rectangular hole

[manic cloak]

well mine doesn’t

I mean IO shield is alr on there so

got the stand-off screws back on though

[obsidian wigeon]

then it should just be as simple as installing the board

[manic cloak]

but here comes a very good question

what thermal paste pattern.

[lyric thistle]

Are you putting it in right :p

I suppose if the shield or the hole is worn out it won't go

[manic cloak]

ya it looks fine to me

and stand-off screws align

so i think i got it right

[earnest olive]

detached i/o shields always snap onto the case, mobos with built in i/o shields tend to not

[lyric thistle]

Yeah those would sort of make the question irrelevant

[earnest olive]

I think it's relevant to his question considering he has a board with a built in i/o shield

[lyric thistle]

Ah ic

That'll do it I guess

[manic cloak]

ya i’ve assembled 3 pc’s, my own and 2 of my friends

kinda of a effect in where both of theirs snapped cause it was an attachable io so…

[lyric thistle]

Nice

I've only built my most recent PC with my brother

[earnest olive]

yeah, you have nothing to worry about

if it's lined up and you're able to screw in the mobo, you're good to go

[manic cloak]

ya i don’t, issue is I should of installed my cpu psu cable first..

i’ve been messing with it for the past 30 minutes and my air tower is in the way

love and hate relationship with air coolers

[manic cloak]

good news, it’s back to normal!

after 4 hours of practically rebuilding my whole pc, it works

literally to install a fricking contact plate.

[earnest olive]

why did you have to tear that much apart to install a contact frame?

i have one too, didn't need to remove the mobo to install it

[frigid night]

@earnest olive

Somebody made a goof. 😛

[manic cloak]

oh yes.

[earnest olive]

ow

assuming you managed to bend them back

[manic cloak]

@earnest olive basically the pa120 se’s cooler bracket doesn’t have stick or magnetic thingy to stick onto the back of the mobo, only being held in by the 4 screws which well.. need to put with the contact frame

also those pins have been bent for awhile ig, this time I actually checked them out cause i got thermal paste in the socket from the latch :/

[earnest olive]

you can just lay the case on its side and put a box or book or something under the case's backplate window so it holds the backplate in for you

took me all of 3 mins to swap in my contact frame

[manic cloak]

well

that would of been helpful like

6 hours ago?

[earnest olive]

into an already built pc

well

[manic cloak]

oh well, it’s alr fixed

[earnest olive]

I was passed out 6 hours ago

[manic cloak]

💀

but ya, my pc still works

[earnest olive]

I thought I fixed my time zone on the plane but maybe not fully yet

[manic cloak]

otherwise if I really need a brand new mobo, I could just buy a new one

[earnest olive]

maybe I'm getting too old for it

[manic cloak]

or one cheap off of marketplace

i don’t really wanna RMA it, considering i’ll just be charged for it

[earnest olive]

my sleep and wake times are normal now but I randomly got really tired at 7pm and napped until 9

[manic cloak]

and they don’t tell you until you ship it in..

[earnest olive]

now I'm kinda screwed for tonight lol

[manic cloak]

hey, atleast you can sleep.

i got back from work at 8 pm cst, stayed up fixing my pc and haven’t been able to sleep

[earnest olive]

I was diagnosed with debilitating insomnia a few years back 💀

was struggling in school cause I could go to bed at 11pm with no screen and just lie there awake until 10am

[manic cloak]

just cure insomnia by sleeping smh

[earnest olive]

not a fun time

[earnest olive]

if it ain't broke

[manic cloak]

works fine, for now atleast..

[earnest olive]

thermal paste in the socket is uncomfortable but in the end it's a non-issue

[manic cloak]

I haven’t noticed any temps diff

[manic cloak]

oh i cleaned most of it out

[earnest olive]

imo it's not even worth cleaning paste out of the socket

[manic cloak]

it’s like very thin grey linings

[earnest olive]

just too risky

[manic cloak]

I used a needle like I was told to

[earnest olive]

when it doesn't really present a problem to begin with

[manic cloak]

it was actually pretty easy

[earnest olive]

lol in my first build I got thermal paste in my ram slot

and I cleaned it with an electric toothbrush dipped in alcohol

[manic cloak]

💀

i didn’t even use alcohol for my socket

should of tbh

[earnest olive]

I had to wash that toothbrush head very thoroughly before I could use it on teeth again lol

[manic cloak]

OH

this wasn’t no spare electric brush

damn

speaking of that I should probably brush, with my 11 y/o electric toothbrush

[earnest olive]

not rich enough to have spare electric brushes lying around 😔

[potent portal]

No that only makes my insomnia worse because I can only sleep when I randomly black out during the day

Sleeping pills make it worse too

[manic cloak]

i don’t sleep that often, but usually just standing still, laying down in a cold room (like ac is on 24/7) or watching a movie laying in a couch gets me tired asf

should of watched a movie tbh

but i was fixing my pc 😭

[livid shadow]

Someone just double check me for stupidity, but on my 3090, I plug in two power cables

Two 8 pin power cables

Two PCIE power cables

Into my PSU

On different sides

To not overstress one rail

And do I need to use these that came with the GPU?

[fossil cedar]

Do not use that

What you did is right

[livid shadow]

Thanks

What're those cables that came with the card, just for curiosity

[fossil cedar]

It looks like oh hmm maybe 2 pcie powers into one

But what'd make more sense would be 1 into 2

Oh no it's 2 6 pins to 1 8

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

it seems to be combining two 6 pin from psu

then to one 8 pin to pcie

[livid shadow]

Heck, there's only one HDMI output

[fossil cedar]

Display ports better anyway tbh

[livid shadow]

well, my secondary panel is only HDMI

[fossil cedar]

That's fine as primary is dp, and you can get dp to hdmi cables/converters anyway

[livid shadow]

Which is what I did

[subtle halo]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Oh8rn0lBVPg?feature=share

[manic cloak]

This any good?

for idle on a pa120 se

[earnest olive]

looks normal

[livid shadow]

welp

gone and got a new PSU like I should've months ago

My corsair ax860 which has been serving proud since assembly seemingly is dying a slow death

I thought at first it was overloading one rail because the system assembler put all the connectors on one side

but turns out there's only one rail???

So when the GPU is under load it just trips and shuts down and needs a power cycle

so for the time being I just lowered the gpu power and ordered a Seasonic Vertex GX-850

for that stupid connector and in general not having a PSU that's dying

So I'm sitting here miffed

[earnest olive]

ax860 is about 10.5 years old?

good enough service life

she deserves a retirement

[livid shadow]

ohg yeah for sure

just miffed iit decided to die now

But I am getting a new psu and it is one that demonstrably can run my new gpu properly

[livid shadow]

I was so unsure about getting a new one because I thought user error was at fault first

[little osprey]

Hmmm Asus or MSI for 13600K motherboard

[empty pollen]

gigabyte

[little osprey]

i heard there software sucks tho

[empty pollen]

all of them sucks

but gigabyte has some of the best ram profiles to pump out those sticks to its fullest

[little osprey]

i wont have any problem setting my RGB to one color or anything i hope

[empty pollen]

asus is just to expensive for what it is

and msi is ok

[little osprey]

the Z790 master has a nice amount of USB port

[mossy venture]

Depends on specific model

[little osprey]

Was looking at the Z790 Master, Strix E or ACE from MSI

[mossy venture]

Cheapest option

All are overkill for 13600k

[little osprey]

Asus Strix Z790-E is ok ? I heard people giving crap to asus due to the bios problem

[mossy venture]

So whatever is cheaper outta three

[empty pollen]

not only that, as i said, strix are way too expensive for the same functionality that others brands offer

as bacca said, all those options are overkill for the 13600k

unless you plan to get a 13900k and push the hell outta of it, there is no reason to spend that much money on those premium series

money that you can reroute to upgrade to a better gpu/cpu

[little osprey]

what MB would you recommend

[empty pollen]

for that cpu any z690 will fare ok as long as you upgrade the bios first

as an example i have the same cpu on a msi pro z690-a

that costed me at the time 160

im a lil rusted on prices so i will pass the torch on that one to another fellow eggie (like bacca) to help you on that

[little osprey]

i hate my OCD too lol if i order something and open it to check it out i feel annoyed that i cant open anything till i have everything lol

[empty pollen]

@mossy venture ❤️

[little osprey]

it kills me like if i open it its like garbage lol

[livid shadow]

Do it like I do, I have an active powered hub. I filled that out.

[mossy venture]

❤️

[frosty surge]

I’m building my new pc right now and I’m using my old storage do I need to do anything

[manic cloak]

😩

[empty pollen]

probably reinstalling the os, like windows

[frosty surge]

I need help

Can anyone help me build my pc

I have amd cpu

What do I do

[empty pollen]

manual is always your friend, thats my first guess

mobo should have a manual where the instructions are detailed

same thing applies if those are from a tower cooler or an aio they also bring manuals in the box with detailed pictures

[frigid night]

@steady glacier I'm bringing this here. Can someone help Fire increase his virtual memory please? We've have figured out his issues are because he's running out. I do not know much about virual memory to feel confident in helping him increase it.

[steady glacier]

just saw this, thank you

yes

ok i see all these options, which should i do?

32 gb ddr5

like rn?

yeah, 21% memory and 10% cpu

whenever i play games im always at like 20 gb memory being used

rn its using 7 with now game open

ok, is it normal to be using 20 gb or ram? because i couldve sworn people have no problem playing games at 16 gb

[frosty surge]

Yes

[steady glacier]

i didnt think so.. how can i even change that

[frigid night]

You may have a lot of bloatware.

[steady glacier]

is that initial size and maxium size going to 12000?

like this?

then i hit ok out of all of it?

what is bloatware?

a virus?

i hit set, is something supposed to change right away on task manager?

kk, and then about getting rid of bloatware, just follow a yt video?

alright, and then if i do crash, should i go back and look at event manager again?

[frigid night]

yes

[steady glacier]

ok

i hope not lmao

now im curious as to why my friends' doesnt crash

we did everything the exact same

that makes sense, ill tag ya if i crash again! i hope youre learning as much as me here lol

ok now im at 50% usage on memory and 50% cpu, so i think its more normal

rust

[frigid night]

I sure am

[steady glacier]

have to

16 gb is better then 22 tho

[stoic island]

16gb is around what you would expect for higher settings

[steady glacier]

higher

max on pretty much everything

awesome!

[frosty surge]

I put it on the motherboard which screw do I use to screw it in

[obsidian wigeon]

Is that from the case?

[frosty surge]

Idk

Some of them are

@obsidian wigeon

These are from the case

@obsidian wigeon @frigid night

[obsidian wigeon]

Hmn, I would follow the manual for the case

from the looks of it, i believe it's the top most bag of screws that you'll want to use to mount the board onto the case

[steady glacier]

not yet

i appreciate you bro

and you @frigid night

[frigid night]

Np. I'm gonna thank @earnest olive for reminding us about event viewer. That ultimately helped us find and resolve the issue.

[earnest olive]

[empty pollen]

manuals are ALWAYS your best friend when building a pc

take your time to read them a bit, there is no rush, also rushed things usually go downhill pretty quick

and to look at those detailed pictures

[manic cloak]

hmmmmm

[earnest olive]

just test it yourself

[manic cloak]

@earnest olive you think driving to wisconsin (3 hr) drive

is worth?

idk what he’d be upgrading from a white 4070ti

[earnest olive]

i mean

i hate driving

whats the price

[manic cloak]

500$

[earnest olive]

i would drive 3 hrs if it's 500 but

[earnest olive]

also that's sus lol

the msrp of that model is 900

[manic cloak]

mhm

profile doesn’t check out that much either

he said he sold his 2nd pc with a 3070 in it

no where to be seen

he also has a white 1070

[earnest olive]

i would drive 3 hrs for a 4070ti aero for 500 that was guaranteed to not be a scam

but no guarantee? nah

[manic cloak]

oh look at that

he added more photos

[obsidian wigeon]

seems legit enough

make him send a vid of the gpu to you maybe

vids can't be faked

[manic cloak]

alr

issue is i might be doing this to just not buy it lol

I have the money, I have the will to buy it, just not the ability to legally. I can’t drive 💀

[obsidian wigeon]

rip lol

[potent portal]

Weeeelllllll...
https://www.synthesia.io/

[steady glacier]

well i crashed agaom

[frigid night]

So.. I opened my laptop to put my nvme in there.. I seem to have lost the screw as it's not there. What can I do?

[obsidian wigeon]

i know but im sure it doesn't understand the finer details of a gpu lmao

[frigid night]

nvm. after searching for 10 minutes in my giant drawer of random everything pc related.. I found 1 😛

[manic cloak]

that guy sold the 4070ti, oh well

[obsidian wigeon]

he already sold it off

the guy with cheap 4070ti

so it was legit lol

[vague oracle]

And it’s also Facebook marketplace

[livid shadow]

Folks, I may be below average intellect, but will the 12vhipower connector fit my 3090 when it runs on 2PCIE cables

[obsidian wigeon]

3090 doesn't use that new 12vhpwr cable

[cyan ravine]

So the answer is a no captain

Tho the FE uses an early execution of it with no sense pins, but the zotac doesn't use either of them

[livid shadow]

Thanksies

[unborn mesa]

Does anybody have a build list for 1k usd budget

[potent portal]

Gaming? Anything extra like wifi?

[fossil cedar]

or rgb etc

[unborn mesa]

Gaming, wifi

Rgb dont really matter

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B4n2Q6

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zjphDq

[potent portal]

Option 1, modern upgradeable platform
Option 2, better GPU

[mossy venture]

I second patos list personally, unless gaming at 1080p

[manic cloak]

how good is the msi pro z790 compared to like the z790 ad ux or even z790 pro rs wifi?

[potent portal]

Depends on the features you need

[manic cloak]

what would that be then

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/8m6p99,xXxRsY,mPt9TW/

[manic cloak]

So basically just storage capacity?

[potent portal]

The pro rs is also the only one with the header for USB C front panel

But yeah that's the main features most would care about that's different between them

[manic cloak]

I thought the usb 3.2 gen 2

was usb type c

[potent portal]

It's 3.2 gen 2x2

Blame the spec for being confusing

Oh wait you're right too, the pro rs just has the faster header

[manic cloak]

I was gonna say

cause my asus tuf doesn’t have a 2x2 but supports type c front io

[potent portal]

Ok so the MSI and Gigabyte would be 10Gbps front C, and the Asrock would be 20Gbps

[manic cloak]

hmm i see

[potent portal]

Out of the 3 I'd go with the Asrock personally

More sata and USB ports, 4 M.2 storage slots, faster C port

[frigid night]

This is the case from my first build ever. Finally giving it a new home so.. time to take the film off.

[novel pendant]

Anyone know if i tilt a laptop with liquid metal as heat conductor for a long time, is there any problems with leakage?

[potent portal]

There's always a risk when using liquid metal

There's a bunch of PS5s that have died because they use liquid metal and it leaked, even though they tried to protect it

[novel pendant]

Im planning to get a rog strix scar 18 that has liquid metal in it but i would like to get a cooling stand

So im kinda not sure if i should get a stand for it or not

[potent portal]

I'm sure they would cover liquid metal damage under warranty if it came from the factory with it

[frigid night]

To be on the safe side.. I'd say no

[potent portal]

And I'm guessing they took measures to protect sensitive parts

[vague oracle]

99% sure you’ll have to redo it yourself

Factory LM is horrible

[novel pendant]

Yeah thats what my searches on the internet tells me so far, I’m getting mixed messages with leakage. And i cant upgrade my desktop. So I have to get a laptop because of my work

[vague oracle]

This was the stock LM on both of my Scar 17s

[potent portal]

Generally speaking yes, machines can't really get it right

[novel pendant]

Ouch

[vague oracle]

It won’t

It can get under it tho

[potent portal]

That's what it looks like in this first pic too, LM got under the barrier

[vague oracle]

Literally look at my second pic

It started going under the orange layer

[novel pendant]

This is stopping me from getting the laptop lol

[vague oracle]

I replaced the orange tape with conformal coating just to be safe

It’s a good laptop, but I’d redo the lm in it

[lone flame]

whats like the normal size that good monitors come in

now that I have a pc I've been thinking about getting a proper monitor(s)

ive been using a 5 year old smart tv as my monitor lol

i'd really wouldn't need anything over 30"

[empty pollen]

depends on your resolution

1080p usuallly are 25"

[potent portal]

The sweet spot for good monitors is around 24" for 1080p and 27" for 1440p

[empty pollen]

1440 27" and 4k start at 32" but they really shine above 40"

[potent portal]

That'll also depend on your viewing distance, this is all rough guidelines

[empty pollen]

yup

but those are like the "baseline" sizes for resolutions

smaller sizes for a given resolution results in a waste and larger sizes in larger pixels per inch thus lower quality

i remember one guy had a 1080p 32" monitor

like... ok...

[potent portal]

Yeah I'm glad those have fallen out of fashion lol

You need to sit pretty far back for that to make sense at all

[empty pollen]

more like in a couch... and that a tv on a wall

i mean 1080p on 40" fits well on a tv because that one is pretty far away from a couch

but for a monitor at like 2 or 3 feet away.... no no no

[potent portal]

Also of note is we haven't talked about 4k except as a side thought, and for good reason. Very few people need or should get 4k. It's way harder for a GPU to push.

[empty pollen]

indeed

my sis has a 4k 32" monitor but she uses it for creative work, you know acrobat stuff

rhino and all those cad things

still im pretty sure her 3060ti can hold its ground on 60hz if needed

[potent portal]

Depends on the game

Good luck with that in cyberpunk

[heavy atlas]

does anyone know where i can buy a windows 11 usb for cheap?

[celest horizon]

Use rufus + a samsung bar off amazon

[lone flame]

Can you link me good ones that aren’t like 300 dollars

[potent portal]

1080p or 1440p

[potent portal]

Assuming you mean 1440p, either of these would be good entry level IPS monitors https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/JPrYcf,w44Zxr/

[visual maple]

hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I just swapped out my aio cooler for a cpu fan cooler and now when I turn on my pc the debug lights dont turn on and the pc doesnt show display. at first everything was on and running but then I turned it on again and my keyboard and mouse wouldnt light up either. thanks.

[visual maple]

no

wait yes

what happen

!

[potent portal]

Might have bent some pins

[visual maple]

nah so first time I installed the new one the screen was black. then as I removed it thats when the cpu came out with it. its amd cpu too. I think that happens sometimes with it. I checked the cpu and it looked fine. I think its not that because the pc already didnt show anything the first time.

so yeah that cant be it

[potent portal]

Check the pins again because if they were even slightly bent just putting it into the socket might bend them more

Give a twist before you pull the cooler off so it breaks suction and doesn't take the CPU with it

[visual maple]

yeah but that wouldve meant the problem was caused from me removing the old cooler and I highly doubt anything happened there because it came off fine and the cpu was still in. debug lights not turning on makes it hard

[potent portal]

What CPU and motherboard? Was this a new build?

[visual maple]

yeah I did that I was legit so careful I swear it was just stuck

ryzen 9 5950x, asus x-570 plus

[potent portal]

That may need a bios update to run 5000 series if it's a new build

[potent portal]

And if this is the case then you'd need an older CPU to update bios with because that board doesn't have flashback

[visual maple]

hi, nah all the parts are from the same pc. so pretty much I buy a new cooler and it doesnt work now

im pretty good with pcs, but this I havent fixed

yeah worked perfectly before that

so either I have damaged the mobo, something isnt plugged in somewhere, or I have damaged cpu but I doubt that one because as I said the cpu only came out when I was trying to fix the black screen

I tried cmos

but only had it out for 5 mins

or 3

is that enoughj

I really dont think its cpu like how could I have damaged the pins when the cpu never came out

and I didnt apply much pressure

I already had a black screen the second time I removed the cpu

also idk why the debug lights are off now

[obsidian wigeon]

was there any plastic you have to peel from the air cooler?

[visual maple]

and peripherals wont light up

[visual maple]

nope

[obsidian wigeon]

anyway

[visual maple]

yeah I will in a min I have to go to my pc

[obsidian wigeon]

boot with one stick

[visual maple]

thanks for the help

bte

btw

[obsidian wigeon]

it did turn on with a debug led

[visual maple]

yes ill do it now

this only happened AFTER the problem

thoi

[obsidian wigeon]

doesn't hurt to diagnose everything

[visual maple]

thats what im trying to say

so the initial issue is not from the cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

can't rule out any possibilities

[potent portal]

You have a CLRTC jumper on the bottom right of the board, touch those together with something metal and it works better than pulling the battery

[visual maple]

maybe I have done something to it now, but the black screen wasnt from it

sorry

im bad at explaining

yeah I tried one ram stick

and different slots

idk

oh oops

mb

ok brb

[lone flame]

I’d honestly prob be closer to 1080

I have a 6700XT if that means anything and my internet isn’t the best

[potent portal]

6700 XT can do 1440p pretty well

[obsidian wigeon]

i prefer 1080p myself for this gpu

but yeah

[potent portal]

If you're going 1080p there's this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zzVmP6/gigabyte-g24f-2-238-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-g24f-2

A long time now

Jan 2019 I think

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[potent portal]

They're surprisingly good for the price in general

[visual maple]

hi I'm back

how do I send a photo

[potent portal]

DM it to me and I'll put it up

[visual maple]

ok

do you need more?

[potent portal]

Oop you're green now

You can post pics

[visual maple]

oh ok

is that a bad pic

hang on

I looked down the rows

[obsidian wigeon]

Can't see any bent pins

[visual maple]

And everything

and it looks completely straight

[obsidian wigeon]

no lol

i don't even see any

[visual maple]

bruh

heart attack

[obsidian wigeon]

anyway, hm

it could be a bad cooler mount somehow

[visual maple]

ok that's a good sign right? maybe need to replace mobo

or something

[obsidian wigeon]

reseat cpu and cooler

[potent portal]

Looks good to me too, zoomed in as much as I could

[visual maple]

I full inspected it

so yeah idk

ok imma put it back in

yeah bad pic ngl

ok

oh gg

I didn't even see that there

and idk how it happened

1 sec I'll send photo

what is that

what is that

[potent portal]

Oh yikes

[visual maple]

is it wraps

[potent portal]

Scraped straight down to the copper

[visual maple]

so that's 100%the cause

I swear the first time I put it in I didn't see that

[potent portal]

Yeah that's probably a short

[visual maple]

and I got black screen

no idea

[potent portal]

Maybe you dropped the cooler on the board and forgot you did it or something

It would need to get above 140C to melt

[visual maple]

bro

ong

like

that wasn't there

now I need to know when I did it. Like is there a chance that's still not the cause? bc when I initially put in the new cooler I didn't see it. I took it back out once so I'm thinking I did it then?

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

so that's a dead mobo

scratches that deep is serious

[visual maple]

I'm dumb but

the lights can still be on right

[obsidian wigeon]

yws

[visual maple]

if its dead

[obsidian wigeon]

the board can "work" but not function

[visual maple]

GG

[obsidian wigeon]

i had this happen before

[visual maple]

I could just be so sure tho

[potent portal]

That's looking like the ground plane got broken, missing copper

[visual maple]

that it wasn't there when I black screened

[obsidian wigeon]

i broke a trace once myself

[visual maple]

probably tmr

[obsidian wigeon]

killed the board i had on my prebuilt

[visual maple]

when I get a new one

[obsidian wigeon]

i didn't see copper but it definitely has its inner layers visible

[potent portal]

There's a scraped off solder joint

[obsidian wigeon]

must be one big scrape ya

not just a drop

[visual maple]

idek bro

[obsidian wigeon]

maybe cooler itself

[visual maple]

nah no way

[obsidian wigeon]

sadge either way

my case was lucky cause asus accepted it lmao

despite me causing a scratch

they gave me a new board

[visual maple]

so you reckon there's no chance it's still fine? bc it'd be annoying to buy another mobo and then that not be it

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

[visual maple]

idk about how scratches work on it

[earnest olive]

bro there's literally a layer of copper missing from the board

[obsidian wigeon]

no dice

[visual maple]

haha

[obsidian wigeon]

fixing it is very expensive

[visual maple]

chill bro

[obsidian wigeon]

not worth the trouble either way

[visual maple]

aight thanks for the hekp

[earnest olive]

there is a 0.00000000000% chance that it is fine

[visual maple]

guys

[earnest olive]

humans tend to not be fine after decapitation

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

just buy a laptop

jk

also sips

lenovo started putting ram tuning stuff in their laptops

seen it on legion slim 7i

[earnest olive]

and then you buy an asus laptop with terrible factory lm that kills it on first power on

ooh

[obsidian wigeon]

so lenovo is a possible future choice for your laptop if the msi ever needs replaced

[earnest olive]

is it full control?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

complete ram timings

[earnest olive]

even terminations?

[obsidian wigeon]

not sure

i don't recall a lot

[earnest olive]

my MSI laptop has primaries and secondaries but is missing tertiaries, quaternaries, terminations, and VTT

a lot better than nothing but not perfect

[visual maple]

I have just realised how I did it

[earnest olive]

I have a feeling that I could get 3467 stable if I had control of RTTs

but now I'm limited to 3200

[potent portal]

He's typing hold on lol

[visual maple]

I was trying to check my gpu when I was having the problem and I mustve scratched it with something. Because I'm so confused, I'm almost CERTAIN that it wasn't there when I had the black screen.

[earnest olive]

looks like he dropped the entire heatsink onto the board from high enough to hit terminal velocity

[visual maple]

like there is no there explanation

I remember trying to get my gpu out

but bro

[obsidian wigeon]

jarrod's tech doesn't show the bios in fine details

[visual maple]

that wasn't the cause of the initial problem

[obsidian wigeon]

but he did mention mem timings so

[earnest olive]

ask him if I can borrow it

[visual maple]

I am sure of it

[earnest olive]

I'll return it with a free ram tuning

[obsidian wigeon]

it was a review unit

[vague oracle]

Yo sips, should I delid my teamgroup DDR5?

[earnest olive]

alright brb gotta go rizz up lenovo

surely my 230 twitch followers makes me an influencer

[visual maple]

my local computer store is so bad. Pc under warranty but to get that warranty you have to pay 200 for postage to the main store. Even though they can do it there.

[vague oracle]

The stock heatsink is literally just a 2mm piece of bent sheet metal

[earnest olive]

well are you having temperature problems

[vague oracle]

No idea

[earnest olive]

what's your goal

run higher voltage?

[vague oracle]

To lower my tRCDs

Having them set to 16 is depressing for b-die

[earnest olive]

do tRCDs scale with voltage? I'm pretty sure they

oh

b-die???

[vague oracle]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

but

you just said ddr5

[vague oracle]

Wait no

[earnest olive]

now I'm confused

[vague oracle]

I’m thinking of a different kit with a different problem

[earnest olive]

bruh

[vague oracle]

Yeah this DDR5 goal is to lower temps

[potent portal]

Bro has too much ram

[earnest olive]

but are you having temp problems

[vague oracle]

Most likely

[potent portal]

You need more brain ram to keep track of all your pc ram

[vague oracle]

Running 1.625V

[earnest olive]

what's the symptom?

tCL is the only thing that scales with voltage on hynix, isn't it?

[potent portal]

You right

[vague oracle]

tREFI maxing at 70k ish

[earnest olive]

and tCL is also basically a useless timing on ddr5, isn't it?

[vague oracle]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

lol maybe you can get better performance by dropping voltage and running higher tREFI

drop voltage and loosen tCL because who cares

[vague oracle]

And my tRRDS/L/tFAW maxes out at 8/16/32

[earnest olive]

sounds normal for intel

[potent portal]

tCL is pretty much the very last thing you lower on DDR5 and I've seen it get negative score scaling going too low

[earnest olive]

I don't think those timings care at all about temps or voltage

[vague oracle]

Not sure how it is for DDR5, but I got 4/4/16 stable on DDR4 by increasing voltage

[earnest olive]

I kept my voltage at 1.35v when I was tuning my hynix d5

it seems pointless to go higher

[vague oracle]

1.45V only got me to 4/6/16, 1.5V got me 4/4/16

[earnest olive]

no, you had stability issues somewhere else and misattributed it

those timings don't care about voltage

[vague oracle]

Nope, those were the only timings I had set and I tested frequency/fclk for a full day for stability before I started timings

[earnest olive]

only 1 day?

that's the problem

[vague oracle]

This DDR4 is purely for benching

[earnest olive]

misattribution of errors is really easy when you are really pushing your ram

I run 4/4/16 at 1.2v no problem

[vague oracle]

I just want my tRCDs to go down

[earnest olive]

delidding b-die is worth it

but your ddr5? I don't think so

so you have tRCDs 16 at 3800?

and 1.5 vdimm?

[vague oracle]

Yep

[earnest olive]

ouch

[vague oracle]

Yeee

Didn’t touch tRC or tWR yet

[earnest olive]

what happens when you go lower? errors or no post?

[vague oracle]

Error

Well, restarts

And only when I run ycruncher

[earnest olive]

it's possible that your ram is capable but lowering tRCD is actually destabilizing your IMC

running lower tRCDs does stress the IMC a bit more

[vague oracle]

TM5 and OCCT pass with it fine

[earnest olive]

yeah sounds like it could be the IMC

[vague oracle]

Any suggestions on what to do?

[earnest olive]

I'd encourage you to try lower tRCDs and revisit the IMC

maybe a little more vsoc, maybe mess with vddp/vddg

just gotta trial and error it tbh

[vague oracle]

Should I try increasing my VSOC load line?

[earnest olive]

those are already the RTTs you found to be optimal, right?

[vague oracle]

Rn I have it set to level 5, which is most droop

[earnest olive]

optimal RTTs shouldn't change

[vague oracle]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

just leave soc llc on auto, I think setting it manually disables the SMU silicon protection

it autos to 1

[vague oracle]

For me it autos to 5

[earnest olive]

huh, interesting

auto was 1 on my asrock board

can you tell what it droops to in y-cruncher before restart? or is the restart too fast?

[vague oracle]

Give me a sec

[earnest olive]

if it's drooping sub 1.1v that could definitely be a culprit

[earnest olive]

I'm VERY unsure about this btw

like 50-50

but my brain thinks it has heard this idea before

[vague oracle]

…it doesn’t start

Wtf

The gpu fan spins up for a second and turns off immediately

[earnest olive]

what did you change?

[vague oracle]

Clearing cmos fixed it

Not sure tho, haven’t used the pc in a few days

[earnest olive]

you woke it up from its dream

it was dreaming about a happier life as a gaming pc instead of whatever you're doing to it

[vague oracle]

…I brought my vsoc up to 1.2V, and tRCDRD of 14 seems stable so far?

So far lowest vsoc has drooped down to is 1.188

[earnest olive]

lol

[vague oracle]

1.88V would be uhhhh

[earnest olive]

imagine dropping from 1.2 to 1.88

asus salivating

[vague oracle]

Asus’ wet dream

[earnest olive]

you seeing 1.188 in y-cruncher?

[vague oracle]

Yeah

Running FFTs rn

It passed

Onto N32

[earnest olive]

damn I'm so smart sometimes

[vague oracle]

Imma just do one pass of N32,N64,and VST and if it passes everything

Down to 12 it goes

[earnest olive]

bro 💀

[vague oracle]

Then time to grab the heat gun 💀

[potent portal]

Tempting fate

[earnest olive]

tRCDRD might do 12 if you go up to 1.9v

definitely not happening on 1.5

[potent portal]

I was able to do 13 but not 12 at 1.52v

[earnest olive]

gary needed 2.2v to run 3733 12-11-11 on my kit

[vague oracle]

Wait yeah, WR is the one that goes nice and low

[earnest olive]

WR you can just try sending down directly to 8

[potent portal]

Yeah that does almost nothing on ryzen anyway

[vague oracle]

Pretty zen timing page

Basically everything else seems pretty good so far I think

All of my tertiaries are at their minimums, secondaries are fairly low

[earnest olive]

I think you owe me a 16gb gddr6x rtx 2070 now

lmao

[vague oracle]

Source me the GDDR6X and it’s yours

I’ve got a guy that probably could make it work once they’re soldered on

[earnest olive]

doubt

[vague oracle]

I doubt too, but maybeee?

[earnest olive]

wouldn't be able to do it with just a modded vbios

would need to modify the actual core

gddr6x is a really different technology from gddr6

[vague oracle]

Ahh

[earnest olive]

it would be like getting an 11th gen cpu to take ddr5

[vague oracle]

32Gb 2070 when?

Do they make 4gbit VRAM chips?

[earnest olive]

yes, for a long time now

I assume you mean 32GB and 4GB

[vague oracle]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

cause 4 Gbit chips are already ancient tech

I don't think 32 Gbit chips exist yet

[vague oracle]

Nah, I want em on my 2070

[earnest olive]

samsung just announced their gddr7 still with 16 Gbit

[vague oracle]

Time to make gddr7 2070 a thing

[earnest olive]

32 Gbit chips probably still a while away

we got 24 Gbit chips for ddr5 now

but not for vram

[vague oracle]

Thank you Sippy

[earnest olive]

beautiful

that is really low tRC

[vague oracle]

Other than tWR, do you see anything I should tweak?

[earnest olive]

equivalent of tRAS 18

[vague oracle]

Issa stable

[earnest olive]

which AMD doesn't even let you set lol

I ran tRC 31 but at 3600

so 32 at 3800 is impressive

running 36 at 4133 now

[vague oracle]

Putting that P14 over my ram, made a huge difference

[earnest olive]

I feel like you can probably drop tWRRD to 1 and raise tRDWR to drop tCWL

try tCWL 10 tRDWR 10

[vague oracle]

I didn’t touch my tCWL that much yet

So I’ll try 10 without touching tRDWR and see how it goes

[earnest olive]

sounds good

[vague oracle]

Kinda just slapped 12 onto tCWL and said, “looks good enough”

[earnest olive]

pretty much what most people do

[vague oracle]

And tWRRD won’t go lower than 3 sadly

[earnest olive]

that's quite surprising

[vague oracle]

I mean maybe it’ll go down with the fan on it? I’ll give it a try

tCWL first tho

[earnest olive]

I just shotgunned it to 1 and didn't test it on both M8E and N8F

worked fine

I miss that N8F kit lol

I was expecting it to be bottom of the barrel but it really surprised me

[vague oracle]

I forget nanya die is a thing

[earnest olive]

did you see my N8F tune?

[vague oracle]

Nope

Unrelated, but what’s HPET?

tCWL 10, no post

[earnest olive]

High Precision Event Timer iirc

[potent portal]

Yep

[earnest olive]

why do you ask?

benchmate?

[potent portal]

It's used to ensure that clocks are accurate to avoid cheating on benchmate

[vague oracle]

Fork’s iso has scripts to turn it on and off

[potent portal]

Yeah you'd turn it on for benchmate and off if you're not using it

[vague oracle]

Is trying to bring tCWL down to 10 worth it?

Still no post with tRCDWR set to 10

[earnest olive]

tRDWR, not tRCDWR

[vague oracle]

Ahh, I’m dumb

Yep, that got me a post

Seems stable so far I think

No BSODs so far

[runic spruce]

Well a bare minimum stable is a 1hr stress test

[vague oracle]

Nah

Not for bench stable

[potent portal]

It's for benching so the bare minimum is passing a 30 second bench lol

[earnest olive]

for a bench oc, the bare minimum is "completes the desired benchmark"

doesn't even have to be on the first try

bsod during benchmark? np, try again a few times see if you get lucky

[runic spruce]

Oh I thought this was a daily oc

Didn’t read everything

[potent portal]

Yep, and make sure fast boot is off so it retrains between crashes

[vague oracle]

Nah, this pc ain’t going to see the light of daily usage

How close do you think this ram is ready to be benchable?

@earnest olive also brought my tRC down to 30, stable

[vague oracle]

[potent portal]

All this memory overclocking is giving me the itch to try to get my 4 sticks to run at 3800

It would never post before but I didn't exactly try everything

[vague oracle]

Dew ittttt

[potent portal]

Mmmmmm

Fine I'll start a spreadsheet and play with RTTs and resistances

[vague oracle]

I just wish I could’ve gotten GDM off stable

Probably would’ve been perfect then

[potent portal]

I think my issue might be because 2 sticks are A0 and 2 are A2 but I'll give it a go anyway

[leaden mauve]

What bin are they? That's funny lol

[potent portal]

One set is 4400 20-19-19 (A0)
The other set is 4133 19-23-23 (A2 RGB)

So far I'm thinking the limit is going to be 3666, I got that running. Oddly enough I got it by reducing resistance, not increasing.

Now if I can get TM5 to stop erroring that would be great

I got 3733 to post but TM5 triggered an immediate GPU driver crash and all the threads crashed

[earnest olive]

that's kinda nuts

[livid shadow]

Someone, please double check me to make sure I'm not insane/hallucinating/sleep deprived

I've got a 3090, a Ryzen 7 5700X, 32gb of RAM, an M2 SSD, and a classic 3.5HDD.

RIGHT NOW, I have a 850w PSU in there. A seasonic Vertex.

That should be more than likely enough overkill power to take in any power spikes

I've had 0 stability and weird GPU crashes

[potent portal]

When does it crash? Under load when gaming?

[livid shadow]

Could it be my 4 year old windows install, which lived through 3 GPU swaps

[livid shadow]

Just when living

Idling

[potent portal]

Have you run DDU?

[livid shadow]

I have like 5 minutes of stability in Windows

Then it dies

[potent portal]

Safe mode is all you need for ddu

[livid shadow]

And then when I try to reboot it gives me a VGA light on the mobo

[potent portal]

Can you get to safe mode?

[livid shadow]

I'm trying a reinstall

Full wipe

Slate clean

[potent portal]

Well that'll have the same effect so go for it

I'm guessing it's just a conflict with the old GPU settings but a reinstall will do it

[livid shadow]

It'd be really weird to be a PSU

Since it's entirely new

[potent portal]

That wouldn't likely crash when idle also

[livid shadow]

Could it be just the mobo on the way out

The GPU came with these too, should I use them and basically plug 4 PCIE power cables in?

Like I'm at wits end

[potent portal]

Nah that would be for an older PSU that doesn't have enough 8 pin plugs

[livid shadow]

Ah

As in less than 2?

[potent portal]

Or 3 if the model calls for it

[livid shadow]

It's just two plugs on rherw

Like I keep wanting to think that it's the card

It isn't stable, sometimes doesn't post, and the light on my mobo says VGA

[potent portal]

A windows reinstall and maybe a cmos clear would fix that I'm sure

[livid shadow]

I completely forgot about CMOS

[livid shadow]

The weird thing is that I need to full kill the PSU, as in flick the button on the back, let it discharge and then turn it back on to get any kind of successful boot after a crash

That's be really weird

Wouldn't it just loose the time

That's mean it'd just loose time and configs if the power went out

Right

And it'd tell me the CMOS is low

It's also barely 3 years old

And would be beeping violently

Am I too old

Again

Man, I haven't slept in 18 hours

But a CMOS in a desktop will last longer than 3 years right

And it wouldn't show itself like this

[potent portal]

Actually 3 years is about average for a cmos battery

[livid shadow]

But CMOS isn't responsible for that right

[potent portal]

CMOS is responsible for storing all of the config data when powered down

So if it's low it might lose some of that data and cause weird problems

[livid shadow]

huuuh

[potent portal]

You can check the voltage real quick using hwinfo

Most motherboards have a sensor labeled vbat or something, it should be no less than 3V

3.3V is ideal

[livid shadow]

I'll try removing the battery and see if that helps

[potent portal]

If you have a multimeter that would be the ideal way to measure the voltage while you have it out

[livid shadow]

I do

It said around 3.1~3v

[potent portal]

Hmm so that is a bit low. Technically 3V is the low end of the spec. It's definitely low enough that I'd replace it myself.

They're super common batteries, CR2032 or just 2032 depending on brand

[livid shadow]

It did it again

Even without the batter

Lasts 20 minutes tops

Then just black screen, output dies, pc runs

[potent portal]

Well yeah without the battery it doesn't have the power it needs to hold the bios data

[livid shadow]

Sometimes tries rebooting but then doesn't boot and ends up in VGA post code stuck

Yeah

[livid shadow]

I might be getting somehwhere, forcing the pcie slot to gen 3 seems to have improved stability when idle as so far as to not crash for the past 40 minutes, which is a new record

[vague oracle]

I just ran pcbd overnight and it errored after 3 hours smh

Don’t know if it’s tRC or tWR tho

[livid shadow]

Well, now it crashes under load

Just to make sure I'm not insane

It's fine to plug the two PCIE cables to the middle PCIE row

So something like this, with the CPU up top and the GPU below next to eachother should be fine, right?

[fossil cedar]

Should be fine yeah, what's your issue exactly?

[livid shadow]

When I try to do a load test, (generate a large image in stable diffusion, play a game) it just crashes

Like

The screen turns off

[fossil cedar]

What's your specs? Gpu, cpu, psu?

Actually the whole system would be ideal

Also are you sure it's not overheating?

[livid shadow]

See here

I've been at it all day

[fossil cedar]

Have you tried DDUing yet?

[livid shadow]

Clean windows install

[fossil cedar]

Hmm

[fossil cedar]

Did you use the usb method for windows or the factory reset in settings?

@cyan ravine is cultists website also down for you?

[livid shadow]

From the windows boot manager, then proceeded to wipe everything

[cyan ravine]

I don't use it anymore I use aris

[fossil cedar]

May i recommend using a usb and the windows iso instead, as the windows it reinstalled could have been corrupted in the first place

[fossil cedar]

Link pls?

[cyan ravine]

Toms hardware

[livid shadow]

It might be a memory chip overheating

Right around this area

[fossil cedar]

You should be able to get readings on the memory chips

In hwinfo64

[livid shadow]

Fair idea

What's the usual

It goes under load, then goes hot and then dies

Could it be just like, dry paste

[cyan ravine]

@fossil cedar iirc seasonic vertex is really good as a psu

One of the early 12vhpwr entries, but turned out promising for cybernetics testing

[fossil cedar]

Ah okay

[fossil cedar]

Shouldn't have an issue under 105c

Mem chips use thermal pads so the only way that should be happening this early on is if the cooler needs to be tightened

[fossil cedar]

Ah okay probably not that then

What wattage is the psu actually?

[cyan ravine]

Fans working?

[fossil cedar]

Nvm 850w

Shouldn't die immediately

[livid shadow]

All 3 do

[fossil cedar]

But possibility

[cyan ravine]

In games it won't

[livid shadow]

It does. Just tried Amid Evil with RTX on and it died some 12 minutes later

[cyan ravine]

Have you tried running the fans max when you do it