My dad actually pulled that pc pic and said look at these,why are you paying that much money
#building-and-recc-chat
serene onyx
Work pcs are different
serene onyx
Well he has a whole server of pc nerds that can tell him other wise
bold stone
Sh country and this... yeah
bold stone
Well he has a whole server of pc nerds that can tell him other wise
Imagine he knows I talk to people online
I'd be publicly excited
Excuted*
bold stone
I'm not allowed to have any form of social media
bold stone
Or anything that let's me talk to h u m a n s
Idek
I hide discord and twitter in my phone
bold stone
And delete messenger chat becuase apperently "sh.." is like saying the n word
And I gotta plan 3 months ahead of a
What was it called
Like going out with friends to a mall or smth
bold stone
Dmed
serene onyx
Ah
bold stone
And then you got people like my friend's parents
They let him buy 2 pcs
They let him just leave the house when ever
dusty cedar
tf is going on in here?
frigid night
tf is going on in here?
#new-general-chat
dusty cedar
#new-general-chat
oh boy exciting. it's been happening in a lot of servers i'm in today. it must be opposite day or something
unborn mesa
💀
Need opinions
Should i do a fresh install of windows or try and clone my previous boot drive
fossil cedar
Need opinions
Should i do a fresh install of windows or try and clone my previo...
New motherboard?
unborn mesa
New motherboard?
My 980 pro i guess died or sum
unborn mesa
So i got a new ssd but idk if i should do fresh install or try n recover off the 980 pro
unborn mesa
Did you update the firmware?
Yea but way too late
unborn mesa
I mean you can try recover some data but for windows, new install
Eh no point to recover
Only the launchers and apps were stored on the c drive
All my actual files are seperated on different drives
unborn mesa
Bet
obsidian wolf
Have fun? Ig
If you have your money save up
And you you have it in your own account and stuff
You can go ahead and buy it
crude geyser
yo whats a good streaming webcam i want to stream valorant and sometimes be a vtuber
dusky hearth
If you have an iPhone, use that for vtuber tracking
IPhone with face id specifically
little osprey
🗿
gentle pollen
Someone I don't know tried to DM me from this server.
bold stone
You can go ahead and buy it
They aren't letting me
fluid socket
can anyone tell me if this is good?
im trying to stay under $1400 and im trying to get the opinion of someone who knows stuff about pcs
gentle pollen
im trying to stay under $1400 and im trying to get the opinion of someone who kn...
Busy currently but some things that would be helpful for others to help you would be:
- Use case (Gaming, recording, blender, etc)
- Preferred budget
- Max budget
- Country your in
- Style preference (Black, white, rgb, etc)
unborn mesa
Anyone have an idea why my windows install looks like this?
obsidian wigeon
gpu driver being glitchy imma guess
bold stone
@obsidian wigeon Mt parents suddenly don't want to buy me anything lmao
Maybe I can convince a ps5
A ps5 is good right
obsidian wigeon
it is
unborn mesa
<@214044000556941312> Mt parents suddenly don't want to buy me anything lmao
Strict parents?
bold stone
Strict parents?
Very
unborn mesa
Dang
frosty forge
Hello world I need help fairly new to the pc world but slowly understanding things. I believe I made an oopsie somewhere down the line.. not sure.
I want to purchase a 4k 240 hertz monitor however I realized that my mother board on my pc only has 2.0 hdmi Ports and display ports. Do I need it to have a 2.1 hdmi port to achieve what the monitor can do?
obsidian wigeon
I want to purchase a 4k 240 hertz monitor however I realized that my mother boar...
What is your gpu?
Exact brand and model, aib included
Mobo output matters none if you use a dedicated gpu
frosty forge
I have an rtx 4090
Wow I had a massive brain fart... completely forgot the cable will be In my gpu ...
gaunt yew
I have an rtx 4090
Damn nice
obsidian wigeon
I have an rtx 4090
Yeah 4090 will most likely support that
HDMI 2.1
Nah nevermind on hdmi
You'll need displayport actually
DP 1.4 specifically
obsidian wigeon
Yes
obsidian jasper
Would you guys generally recommend ASUS TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI over other boards like the MSI MAG B650M or even the MSI PRO B650-P
cyan ravine
Nope
The cheapest b650/b650m that isn't an asus prime
They're all good so pick the cheapest
Paying more is a waste
Or, a620m asrock pro rs
A board that is as good as a b650
But also dirt cheap
cyan ravine
Would you guys generally recommend `ASUS TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI` over other b...
I wouldn't recommend any of those 3 @obsidian jasper
bold stone
Dang
Bruh
Wtf
They suddenly told me get a pc
Becuase my dad needs 1 for work eitherway
Bruh
They just said wait till eid
unborn mesa
Actually dont take my advice idk how strict they are
bold stone
Very
unborn mesa
Me personally i play alot soo i would hit em with the uno reverse
I be turning off my psu when i leave for work so nobody uses my pc
manic mango
verbal plover
I think there’s a centipede in your computer
manic mango
Man to man
Why, you want to know what brand zip ties I used?
unborn mesa
Clean cables compared to mine
manic mango
I hope no additional cables will have to be added ever
verbal plover
(They will)
unborn mesa
Are the fan cables tied in there?
red terrace
Hey, anyone wanna help a starter who’s gotten over their head in computer parts and can’t get anything to work? haha
runic spruce
Just superglue the cables to the case at that point
It is never going to leave the care lol
mossy venture
Hey, anyone wanna help a starter who’s gotten over their head in computer parts ...
Ask away
red terrace
well, i put the computer together, everything seems to run (rgb and fans at least), but i get no input when i connect it to a monitor
stoic island
Got a part list?
red terrace
yep brb
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X
CORSAIR RM1000e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply
ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming AMD AM4 Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 & 3rd Gen Ryzen ATX Gaming Motherboard
GIGABYTE Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 12GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 x16 ATX Video Card
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory
that should be all the major operating parts
desert gulch
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X
CORSAIR RM1000e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply
ASU...
Where are connecting your HDMI/dp cable?
red terrace
out of the Video Card
desert gulch
Any debug lights on the motherboard?
desert gulch
Did you connect your 8 pin cpu power cable?
red terrace
yes, the 8 pin is connected to the top of the board then to the power supply
desert gulch
@stoic island think it could be bios? Would think 99.9% that board would come updated
stoic island
B550-f should have debug LEDs on the right by 24pin iirc
stoic island
<@278694081440251905> think it could be bios? Would think 99.9% that board would...
Unlikely, prob last thing to check
I'm wondering if it's ram related
Tried booting with just 1 stick?
red terrace
i had four sticks of ram, i took all of them out but one
stoic island
Can you check what lights up on debug LEDs?
red terrace
nothing does, all lights are off
stoic island
When booting, do any of them come on?
red terrace
nope
stoic island
Triple check that the 24 pin power is completely plugged in
fossil cedar
Is the pc turning on at all?
red terrace
yes
fossil cedar
Usually it should get some leds when booting even if it's working perfectly or if not working perfectly
I'd go reseating things yeah, power cables, if modular psu make sure things are all the way in on that side too and make sure things are plugged in the right places according to the labels/manual
red terrace
how can you send pictures though this server? my + symbol is blacked out
fossil cedar
Should be able to now
red terrace
apologies i have to move some goat ladders so we can hay the field, be back in a few
dusky hearth
oh my god
did you put your mobo on the carpet directly HUH
you have a perfectly good mobo box 😭
red terrace
not a good thing i am guessing by that response
dusky hearth
yeah not really a good thing lmao
stoic island
Possible static build up
dusky hearth
like, floor pc building is one thing, but building it directly on the carpet isn't eactly a great idea
stoic island
Best to put it on a table or box
dusky hearth
^
red terrace
it was so much easier to put together out of the case, all my tables are metal
dusky hearth
floor pc building is excusable if you don't have enough space on the table
but yeah, mobo box is the best test bench to build on
for free
stoic island
Try putting GPU in the first pcie slot instead
dusky hearth
oh yeah i was so distraught at the fact that this was on carpet that i didn't even notice that LMAO
stoic island
Although that wouldn't be any reason for debug LEDs to not work, it's something you should do
dusky hearth
huh no debug leds huh. usually that means it booted sucessfully
stoic island
Usually when it works, it cycles through the lights before turning off
But they said no lights during the booting process
red terrace
back
moved it to the other slot no luck
i moved it to the floor, but would it be better if i just put it into the case?
stoic island
Reseat the 24pin on both sides if you haven't already
Wood floor should be okay for now
stoic island
Ig you could clear cmos
red terrace
i’m not sure how to do that
jump the pins ok brb
no luck either, no input to the monitor
stoic island
I guess we can try updating bios, do you have a spare USB drive?
red terrace
I have one with windows 11, i might be able to find an empty one
would the computer have to have an operating system before it would give any input to a monitor?
stoic island
No
It would be able to enter bios without an Os
Although it will usually need to have a drive installed
red terrace
what kind of drive?
stoic island
Any drive installed in the system, SSD, HDD, whatever
red terrace
I have an m.2 2tb
red terrace
no i don’t believe so, i’ll have to buy one
stoic island
Think you could grab a 10$ USB drive from Walmart or smth?
red terrace
not today, maybe tomorrow. is there anything else you’d recommend that i do?
stoic island
Try using other ram sticks, try checking monitor cable
And although it should only give it a warning and still let you into bios, it usually wants you to plug a fan into cpu_fan, make sure the aio pump is plugged in too
red terrace
alright
runic spruce
i moved it to the floor, but would it be better if i just put it into the case?
Is there fans on your aio radiator?
red terrace
yes
runic spruce
Does it load the bios
red terrace
it doesn’t even give out an input to a monitor
runic spruce
U could maybe try getting an air compressor and blowing them into the ram sticks, it could’ve maybe gotten dust in them and the ram sticks aren’t working
It also might’ve been a mobo issue tho bc of the carpet but I’m not sure
red terrace
what’s a mobo?
runic spruce
Motherboard
red terrace
ah ok
runic spruce
Are u using a 5000 series cpu?
red terrace
yes
runic spruce
My other guess is your mother board bios arent updated and maybe doesn’t want to post bc your cpu may be the newer model
B550 is compatible with 5000 series but needs a bios update
But most b550 boards have been updated to support 5000 series but maybe yours was not
U could do a bios flashback and update the board that way
red terrace
i can give it a shot
still need a usb stick, i might have one with some pictures on it, i’ll just move them to my laptop and clean it
runic spruce
Btw, your cooler should have a fan cable and it seems to be missing the rgb stuff, If it’s a Corsair cappelix.
Gpu should be mounted in the slot for pci 4.0 but u can just fix it after u post
red terrace
yeah, i took that off, because i felt it wasn’t relevant to the functioning of the computer and i wanted to eliminate any part that was causing a problem
the bios flashback button isn’t working, no light appears
stoic island
the bios flashback button isn’t working, no light appears
Did you rename the bios file before putting it on the drive?
red terrace
yes
stoic island
Sounds like it's still either a power or motherboard problem
red terrace
never mind it’s working now?
i’m so confused, but i don’t care it’s blinking so i’ll wait
stoic island
If it works, it works
red terrace
bios updated, but no change
runic spruce
yeah, i took that off, because i felt it wasn’t relevant to the functioning of t...
U did plug the hdmi or dp cable through the gpu and not the motherboard right
The cpu doesn’t have onboard graphics so plugging it into the mobo wont post
red terrace
into the gpu
runic spruce
Motherboard might be dead but I can’t say for sure
Last things u could try is trying a different cable bc your hdmi cable could be dead
And maybe try different ram slots
paper summit
Btw, your cooler should have a fan cable and it seems to be missing the rgb stu...
Hey I know this board
little osprey
Would a 12600K run fine on this or would I need a Z690?
(No overclocking as of right now)
dusty cedar
Btw, your cooler should have a fan cable and it seems to be missing the rgb stu...
looks like one of those coolers that has a screen on it and thats just where it snaps to, however the pump header is void of any cables so it's still not plugged in.
runic spruce
Yea it is one of those where u snap it on but it doesn’t have a fan cable which is weird
runic spruce
Would a 12600K run fine on this or would I need a Z690?
Yea but a 13400 or 13500 might be better
dusty cedar
Yea it is one of those where u snap it on but it doesn’t have a fan cable which ...
probably because it's attached to the screen
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TZPQzy/asrock-b660m-pro-rs-micro-atx-lga1700-mo...
Perfectly fine
runic spruce
It’s a bit cheaper too I think
mossy venture
If 13500 is same price or cheaper than 12600k, get that
If the 13400f and 12600k are about the same price, 12600k
runic spruce
13500 also has 4 extra smaller cores
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7c3gXL/gigabyte-b660m-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4 I'd get this though
runic spruce
I’d personally still get the cheaper one
mossy venture
Eh, 12600k has some upsides
runic spruce
A 12600k it 13400/500 will run fine on any b660 board
little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7c3gXL/gigabyte-b660m-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4-micro...
Oh wifi too
That's cool
mossy venture
Some other small differences it has
mossy venture
Oh wifi too
Also a very nice board
Good vrms
So does pro rs but not quite as good I believe
Also 12600k has igpu
As an added bonus
little osprey
Yeah that'd be nice to run off until I get an actual GPU
runic spruce
I think the 7600x has the same multi score has those CPUs as well and is faster in single core
Similar price as well
But no igpu and only does ddr5
mossy venture
Yeah true, one sec
runic spruce
I think they stopped including coolers as well, they had good coolers for zen 2
mossy venture
runic spruce
I think the 7600x has the same multi score has those CPUs as well and is faster ...
Nvm, 7600x is slower slightly
shut rampart
hi
little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wtGX4s
12600K is just cheaper both chip and board wise
cyan ravine
But no igpu and only does ddr5
7600/7600x have 2 CU iGPU's
Good for being computers and nothing more lol
potent portal
12600K is just cheaper both chip and board wise
Not a lot of upgrade room though, since DDR4 hurts 13th gen performance above the 13400. Presumably it'll be the same on 14th gen since it's 13th gen refreshed.
little osprey
Not a lot of upgrade room though, since DDR4 hurts 13th gen performance above th...
I mean if I really wanted to I could spend a little more for a DDR5 board
But like I don't see the point
DDR4 seems good enough IG
cyan ravine
If you want something that can carry over when you upgrade the $20 is kinda worth it, if not for the performance boost alone
potent portal
I'm mostly just saying that your list would need a platform upgrade sooner because of the DDR4, short term savings long term spending
If it was a 12100, or even a 12400 build that you'd expect to replace in less than 2 years anyway, DDR4 would be fine
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Slovskii/saved/yrF8ZL
Ssd is overpriced
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vjFWVw
Save you $50
mossy venture
Ah ok
little osprey
I don't know how to do that
potent portal
The cog wheel next to the price
cyan ravine
Yeah it's quite literally $20
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CZMGW4
For far more than $20 more performance
$29
cyan ravine
Same as the vulcans yeah
little osprey
Alright whatever that works IG
Didn't realize how much going LGA1700 would save me
AMD is just weird RN
potent portal
AMD just doesn't have any budget options too. The 7600 is still midrange and it's the lowest AM5 right now.
cyan ravine
The savings for AM5 come from running stock coolers essentially
That said, 7600 would still be really good here
little osprey
Just gets on my nerve when I started to get into PC's AMD was like the big budget option
cyan ravine
It still kinda is
little osprey
Meh
cyan ravine
But am4 is legacy now
potent portal
13100 is just a slightly overclocked 12100
little osprey
But like you can't beat value like that
cyan ravine
Ya but 5600 is infinitely better yeah lol
cyan ravine
Low end lga1700 makes almost zero sense
Cos you can get everything out of a $90 am4 board
cyan ravine
Also is there a reason you picked a B760 over B660?
It's the best low end board for ddr5
You could run a 13900K on it
(cos it's power locked but still works)
potent portal
(And presumably 14900k when it comes out)
little osprey
I liked the one I was looking at before, but the one you picked looks amazing NGL
More RGB in some interesting spots
Just the riptide aesthetic kinda throws me off
But meh, looks good enough for a blackout build
molten rune
Anyone got any ideas why this system won't post
-Installed it to the standoffs as best I could,
-motherboard bios is above what should be required for chip,
-RAM is clicked in properly,
- 12v atx went in without a hitch
-plug headers look to be connected correctly afaik according to mobo manual - no thermal paste leaked out
-fan on CPU tried in 6+2 and a 4pin split config, just 6+2, and different 4+4 pin plugged in, but isn't the last on the daisy chain of PSU cables... Trying that now.
All brand new parts, managed cables well enough to try and just get it to post
Closeup of headers
Light indicator here doesn't go, but the fan will light up for a split second
Closeup of fan pins from 6+2 and a split up 4+4 pin
potent portal
The 6+2 are for the GPU and the GPU only
You can destroy the board by using the wrong one
The 12V and ground are flipped so it's a short circuit
molten rune
So what if there's no 8 pin then
potent portal
There is
potent portal
It's a 4+4 and may be labeled EPS
molten rune
So just leave it as the 4+4 I had it originally and don't use the last slot
cyan ravine
If it's turning off immediately then the psu is detecting the power is wrong
cyan ravine
Yes see those plugs, use 4+4
potent portal
So just leave it as the 4+4 I had it originally and don't use the last slot
Yes, you only need the 4+4 and the extra 4 are, well, extra. Not necessary.
vague oracle
I just got to ask, how did you manage to get that PCie plug in there
molten rune
That's what I figured
cyan ravine
Yeah that'd fit alright but it shouldn't be able to by spec lmao
potent portal
Looks like they were lazy on the keying
potent portal
molten rune
That's what I figured granted I had my friend helping with that section and wasn't looking closely, just heard the click
fossil cedar
<:KetchupMustard:718309358710030376>
Even the w1 doesn't skimp on keying i think
molten rune
Raidmax Cobra power on an ASRock b550 steel legend I believe
molten rune
¯_(ツ)_/¯
potent portal
(and cross your fingers that short circuit protection worked and the board is ok)
cyan ravine
Since it's turning off immediately then there's a likely chance ur ok
molten rune
It continued to flip the RGB lights and wouldn't do it again until flicking the switch each time when attempting the button
So I'm pretty sure the short protection was kicking jn
I just was hoping it wasn't something worse
cyan ravine
Pray it was kicking in well enough nothing happened
potent portal
Is that both the VGA and Boot lights?
potent portal
Boot would be expected since no bootable drive
cyan ravine
Ah
molten rune
cyan ravine
Use the other plug on the vga
molten rune
Need to repurpose it
cyan ravine
Hey hey
Switch it off
Swap the gpu power plug for the other plug on the cable
Not the pigtail
cyan ravine
Second? Third???
molten rune
potent portal
The one in your hand should be the right one
cyan ravine
(it has a 2nd pigtail???)
dusky hearth
ketchup and mustard cables
potent portal
E tier PSU ftw
molten rune
Swapped & restarting
dusky hearth
e for ewaste
molten rune
Same lights but it doesn't start out that way, paying closer attention
HDMI was in mobo as expected with the GPU not having drivers in a fresh state obv
potent portal
It should still be in the GPU
There's basic drivers it'll use, and bios doesn't need drivers
molten rune
cyan ravine
It should be plugged in the gpu
Some boards straight up won't post if they don't detect a hdmi/dp in the video output
molten rune
That would explain that
cyan ravine
In this case the video card
cyan ravine
Lads up and running now
potent portal
Modern bios is pretty smart, it can usually seek out and use whatever is available to boot from
cyan ravine
Hey alright
molten rune
What's the bet on Rosewill having a specific fan header that I missed
Or does it need some iCue software or something
potent portal
For what? The rgb?
cyan ravine
I'll come back, we're echoing
molten rune
cyan ravine
potent portal
You might have a fan hub that needs sata power
potent portal
Sata power, not data
potent portal
What does this go to
molten rune
Would assume to here
There was an orphaned 3pin connector but I figured that was meant for old style tech
Oh, I guess here
molten rune
molten rune
Just figured it'd be an addressable pin header, got lost in the mustard thinking it was just a drive cable for the PSU
Was hiding
molten rune
VDG is Asus specific iirc, ignore it
Yeah that's what I figured
Last time there were a few orphan headers
molten rune
That's the power
potent portal
Nice
molten rune
Quiet as a mouse
serene onyx
Yall think yall can find other graphics cards options
@obsidian wigeon
I know ur good at this lmao
I might get that one, but let's see some options
potent portal
You could get a cheaper PSU. That GPU is one of the best value options right now.
Still A tier. The 6800 XT doesn't need a bunch of power, the spikes are a lot more tame than the 3080.
obsidian wigeon
ya
serene onyx
Ok bet
potent portal
Yep the 6800 XT is worth it. Easy 1440p ultra card.
obsidian wigeon
The hydro g psu is also worth getting
serene onyx
Ight beg
Bet*
So I'm all set to start buying?
Cause purchases are about to start happening 🗣🗣
little osprey
Wait @cyan ravine
YK how you told me to get B760 over B660?
What's the point behind that if LGA1700 isn't gonna get many more generations of CPU's?
Well outside of DDR5
dusky hearth
probably because of featureset
runic spruce
YK how you told me to get B760 over B660?
Iirc all b660 boards have to be updated to support 13 th gen
molten rune
Should I be concerned if bios thinks the ram is ddr4-2400 instead of 3600 despite saying otherwise in oc tweaker
runic spruce
The main differences are io support
molten rune
dusky hearth
Should I be concerned if bios thinks the ram is ddr4-2400 instead of 3600 despit...
did you enable xmp
molten rune
Pretty sure I did
runic spruce
It could be like the safe mode version when loading into bios
I’d check task manager for ram speed
little osprey
Iirc all b660 boards have to be updated to support 13 th gen
Yeah, I'd only be losing DDR5
molten rune
Switch from auto to yes?
little osprey
First Option (Saves $40):
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RBKP2m
Second Option ($40 Extra):
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fBKP2m
runic spruce
Performance differences between the two would be small
little osprey
Switch from auto to yes?
Yeah, just turn XMP on
little osprey
Performance differences between the two would be small
I would've thought so
I mean I see no point in spending more on a board I'm probably not gonna gonna upgrade with a better CPU
runic spruce
U could save 50 bucks if u got a 13500 then got rid of the cooler, if u really want to budget
runic spruce
It says purchased
I didn’t read it
Only thing if change if u went ddr4 is buying the ram used
Or switching it
stoic island
Second Option ($40 Extra):
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fBKP2m
Ddr5 is what gives you the better performance from the second
runic spruce
That price is kinda high for 32gb I think at that speed
stoic island
I'd say probably worth getting ddr5
little osprey
I'd say probably worth getting ddr5
Are there any Z690 boards with DDR5 or only DDR4?
Like that are reasonably priced
runic spruce
Asrock has one
Forgot the board name
But it’s like 180-190
There’s also an msi one for like 175
msi pro
little osprey
Ouch
I mean
Ehhhhh
B760 just seems cheaper if I really want DDR5
I'll go check
runic spruce
Z690 and some b660 support ddr5?
little osprey
Z690 and some b660 support ddr5?
I think there's a few out there yeah
The B760 board I was looking at doesn't have wifi
This one would be cheaper than putting in a wifi card
dusky hearth
$15 for a 100ft cable?
maybe $15 for 50ft (pre-terminated) cable
100ft probably would be more like 25 tbh
little osprey
It’s around $15 for like a 50ft -100ft cable
I can't
It just wouldn't work and would drive my parents insane
potent portal
Powerline ethernet
A bit more expensive but you don't need to worry about signal or reliability with you being on a different floor
jagged ember
Well
Depends on the wiring in your house and the load on the circuit
But it is a fair alternative to Ethernet
Or a mesh
little osprey
Y'all what's faster and/or better? NVMe drives or M.2? And are they better than the more larger squared SSDs that we all know and love?
jagged ember
Nvmes use the m.2 connection
If the question is if nvme ssds better than sata ssds, the answer is nvme is faster
little osprey
If the question is if nvme ssds better than sata ssds, the answer is nvme is fas...
Sata being the regular 2.5in SSDs?
That small thing is faster than a regular SSD 🤨
I need to be told the cons of M.2 now
obsidian wigeon
yes
It's because of the interface protocol
Sata is limited to 600 mb/s
nvme goes as fast as pcie version and lane configuration, controller and nand could manage
2.5" nvme ssds exist, but they're for servers
little osprey
So what are the cons of M.2 compared to the bigger SSDs?
dusky hearth
Not many
obsidian wigeon
None other than heat I guess?
dusky hearth
Honestly, physically larger ssds just allow for more nand flash
obsidian wigeon
But it's not an issue unless you run pcie 5.0 ssd
Those things are hot and super expensive
Nand has gotten very dense these days
4tb nvme isn't very hard to make
2.5" form factor being physically larger has more surface area for cooling
little osprey
The question is, can you transfer over the M.2 to another PC just like the ordinary 2.5" ones?
jagged ember
Yes
But if it's a boot drive, you can't do that without windows issues
Because windows
cyan ravine
YK how you told me to get B760 over B660?
It doesn't matter to me if it's 660 or 760 atm, I just picked the best board for the price
little osprey
It doesn't matter to me if it's 660 or 760 atm, I just picked the best board for...
Well it becomes more pricey since I would need a wifi card and DDR5 instead of DDR4
cyan ravine
It's a good 10%+ performance boost going to good ddr5 from plain ddr4 so it's worth the $29 difference
little osprey
But if the return in performance is worth it I’ll take your word
stoic island
It's more of ddr5 prompting the board rather than the board prompting ddr5
little osprey
Yes
Bruh I'm looking at these prices...how come these supposed better SSDs are much cheaper than the regular 2.5" ones?
jagged ember
Because nand flash has dropped in price a lot
It's just the way it is rn lol
Nvmes are cheaper than 2.5" ssds
little osprey
Plus you can reuse ur ddr5
That’s if it doesn’t die on me
cyan ravine
That’s if it doesn’t die on me
Lifetime warranty
stoic island
Ram usually doesn't die easily
little osprey
Lifetime warranty
I still need to RMA my dead kit I just remembered
stoic island
Bruh I'm looking at these prices...how come these supposed better SSDs are much ...
2.5in drives takes more materials to make, they were cheaper because garbage nand chips that could only do sata speeds were still cheaper than decent nand chips, now cheap decent nand chips cost as much as the garbage nand chips, therefore m.2 drives can be cheaper, since a m.2 drive is just the mininum of what you need for a drive, decent cheap nand chips, decent cheap controller, slapped onto a pcb with no need for an enclosure
little osprey
Hey I'm in the BIOS trying to see if there's anything to adjust that could help with my PCs temperature...what can I try doing?
stoic island
if you don't mind noise, change the fan curve to be more aggressive
You can work on undervolting either with offset or just setting override
little osprey
@stoic island
If I were to get a Z690, what DDR4 kit should I get without doing 3200MHz CL16 or 3600MHz CL18
stoic island
whatever is cheaper
cyan ravine
@little osprey why don't you use your current ddr4
Would be better than buying more
Warranty it then it'll be back by the time the pc is ready
little osprey
<@456226577798135808> why don't you use your current ddr4
Only 16GB
Was planning on going 32GB
little osprey
You'll probably get $30 cos it'll come back new
It’s $30 brand new straight from Amazon
cyan ravine
Ye
little osprey
I’d be lucky to get rid of it for $25
cyan ravine
Cos it'll come back new you could sell it new
little osprey
I mean I bought the kit for like $45 back in 2022
little osprey
Cos it'll come back new you could sell it new
I thought it might just be a nice spare kit
But I am running a 3600MHz CL18 kit RN I got for $50 at Best Buy
I mean why would anyone buy that low end of a DDR4 kit? Seems hard to sell
little osprey
Yeah seems like it
cyan ravine
Only ryzen benefits from the bandwidth upgrade
little osprey
I mean I’ll get the kit sent back here soon, gonna have to sit down and actually figure it out since it’s my first time having to RMA
But we’ll see if I can even get it off my hands
cyan ravine
I just don't see much point to ddr4 anymore
When as low as $73 gets you the best ddr5 money can buy
Confirmed kit as well
little osprey
Lemmie go check something RQ
Would this be cheaper to do since it doesn’t need a wifi card like the riptide board?
obsidian wigeon
yes
cyan ravine
Ye that's fine
severe dove
What's the best CPU currently on the market for gaming?
I was thinking of R7 7800x3d or 7950x3d
cyan ravine
7800x3d bar none
You pair it, with a cheap as chips board cos almost all motherboards it works with are over-equipped to run it well, save for like a couple barebones a620's (not all A620's), as well as b650 asus prime being just a no go, ever.
And then any cheap decent cooler can run it terribly well
It runs really low power so it doesn't need any insane motherboard or cpu cooler
So if I gave you a couple suggestions, a cheap $20 single tower cooler like a deepcool gammax, and then a cheap board like an asrock b650m/hdv or asrock a620m pro rs
And those are more than enough for anything it needs to do by a mile
For value per $ for fps it's just the best by far
Close to it would be a ryzen 7700/7700x or 13600K depending on how you gear them
7600/X too
Additionally any hynix ram with it just kicks butt (same is true for all ddr5) but most of the benefits of that specific ram come from longevity or overclocking it, the latter isn't for regular users
But the great thing about hynix kits is they're also dirt cheap
There's regularly $85 32gb team group vulcan 5600 CL32
Or even cheaper t-create for 73$ if you know how to overclock
There's a 90 second read for your entire intake on what's the best cpu for gaming lol
severe dove
There's a 90 second read for your entire intake on what's the best cpu for gamin...
Really appreciate the time and effort you have put to answer my question. What do you think if I pair it with 6800 XT? or do you think I should wait for the new RX 7800 or RX 7700?
cyan ravine
Really appreciate the time and effort you have put to answer my question. What d...
Uhh. I would consider maxing the cpu after the gpu if you're gaming focused
6800xt goes for good value, but I don't think a 7800x3d is the best pairing with it
You could put more money into the gpu instead with a lower tier cpu and achieve more fps
jagged ember
Most games will benefit from a better gpu
Unless you're playing stuff like rts and simulation
mossy venture
If they already own the 6800xt though, it would make sense
For example I went from 3600 and 3060 ti to 13600k and 3060 ti, and then will upgrade gpu next
cyan ravine
True
little osprey
is this a fair price for this or no
obsidian wigeon
Can do better pc when you build it tbh
mossy venture
is this a fair price for this or no
It's OK, I wouldnt say it's good though
One sec
Can change out gpu as wanted, could switch to 6600/6600xt/6650xt to save money
Can also add in a white 214xt if you want the rgb white cpu cooler
fossil cedar
And if they didn't care about white the black version of that case is 5$ cheaper too
cyan ravine
Can save 15$ at get the apevia prestige goo
I WISH I KNEW THIS FOR THE COMP
AAAAAAA-
fossil cedar
I WISH I KNEW THIS FOR THE COMP
Not relevant since it's on amz
mossy venture
I WISH I KNEW THIS FOR THE COMP
What comp?
dusky hearth
Just ask it
dark island
Does anyone think that a i5 11600k will bottleneck a 4070
???
Or does it affect the 4070s performance
fossil cedar
4070 honestly just a poor choice of card to buy since the 6950xt is the same price and way better, and depends what resolution and game, 1440p high youll be fine
mossy venture
Does anyone think that a i5 11600k will bottleneck a 4070
If you already own them it's fine
If not I'd get a 5600/13400/13600k/7600 and 6950xt or 6800xt
mossy venture
Then I'd get 6800xt or 6950xt
They both beat the 4070 in all but tasks that require cuda
And rtx
mossy venture
I mean it's impossible for there not to be a bottleneck in every system that exists
But it's a fine pairing
dark island
Ok thx man
sullen spoke
@shrewd charm let's move this over here. I'm having trouble finding but is it possible you can send a pic of pc as you have it now. straight onto the pc camera parallel to the motherboard with the side panel off so I can see if I find anything.
And on another note was the pc previously working and only now has issues? ( If so was there anything notable you may have done, i.e. any upgrades or such)
shrewd charm
@sullen spoke ok ill send a pick shortly.
I build it about a year ago worked great. My mother unplugged the extension cord my pc was plugged unto. Scorch marks on outlet bun none on surge protector. Monitors all work tried other power cable and other psu both psu s work.
sullen spoke
Yikes that doesn't sound too good. PCs often have some kind of protection for loss of power but can still result in a software or hardware failure. For the future you can use something like a backup UPS that is properly rated for your setups power consumption. If you don't know a UPS is kind of like a power strip that has a built in battery so in the event of a power loss everything stays powered long enough to safely shut it down. Comes handy with computers that may have sensitive data
dusty cedar
why is it on an extension cord to begin with?
shrewd charm
I live in an old house from 50s has weird old power with dc solnoids only have one plug in the room so was by necessity
dusty cedar
you think maybe the damage was caused because of the extension cord?
extension cords have a certain rating and an outlet can handle only so much
shrewd charm
Idk was working before then. Didn't like the idea of using it (actually a chain from surge protector 2 extension cords to wall) 
Only have 3 monitors my pc and internet modem plugged into this one
dusty cedar
you're pulling more power than the rating for those cords i'm sure
3 monitors, your pc and god knows what else
shrewd charm
Maybe but hoped surge protector would help. Been like this 6 mo without an issue. Not my first choice but only option
sullen spoke
the power rating will also depend on the houses wiring and breakers. We can try a quick cmos clear which will reset the bios settings. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html
shrewd charm
@dusty cedar That's all plus internet modem
sullen spoke
If not we can start taking parts out and see if we can get any life out of it with a simpler config. scorch marks aren't making me feel too confident
shrewd charm
Ya me either. I tried disconnecting parts and powering on one by one
dusty cedar
the power rating will also depend on the houses wiring and breakers. We can try ...
idr but i think most households can handle 50 to 100 amp continuous load? sounds like i'm waaaaaay off but just to run my stage equipment over an extension cord i need to have a 10/3 extension cable and that can only handle 15 amps continuous.
its a fat beefy cable too
shrewd charm
These are normal beefy exterior extension cords
sullen spoke
most household breakers are like 10-15amp
sullen spoke
Ya me either. I tried disconnecting parts and powering on one by one
have you tried with just the cpu and maybe 1 ram stick installed?
dusty cedar
well in anycase, most standard extension cables for indoor/outdoor use arent rated to keep up with everything he has plugged into it
sullen spoke
maybe it's 15-20amp for house, i google and see 20 lol
dusty cedar
yeah that's definitely not
just the cable alone for my extension cords are as thick as that plug is
sullen spoke
did you turn on or off the psu power after all this btw
shrewd charm
Yes turned off back on first. Off moved to another room tries replaced power cable tried used alternate psu no dice. Just tried only cpu and 4 sticks ram does it matter which order i remove them?
Starting to get worried...
sullen spoke
the ram? no not really just make sure the psu is off when you are removing components and I'd leave the 2nd slot in
dusky hearth
oh i see you switched to this channel
dusty cedar
get yourself one of these in the future.
cheapest option that should be able to handle your pc
without frying it
dusky hearth
tbh overall wouldn't really recommend using an extension cord for the pc, but i guess if you have a good enough gauge extension it could be fine
the one in the image looks like one you can get from the dollar store
dusty cedar
that power strip is 14g and rated for 15 amp loads
shrewd charm
get yourself one of these in the future.
https://www.amazon.com/ADJ-Products-PO...
will do
dusty cedar
6 foot cable
dusky hearth
if you're powering more than just the pc, i would go with a bit of a thicker gauge than 14 ngl
12 gauge perhaps
shrewd charm
the one in the image looks like one you can get from the dollar store
image is the 2nd extension cord lol
dusky hearth
a house from the 50s is more likely to be using 15a circuits tbh
dusty cedar
if you're powering more than just the pc, i would go with a bit of a thicker gau...
he's curently using like a 20g household cable from walmart or something
meant to power a lightbulb
dusky hearth
and you can somewhat be able to check if the circuit is 20a from the receptacle
dusty cedar
dudes running his tower, 3 monitors and a modem off it
dusky hearth
yeah that is not good lmao
shrewd charm
@dusty cedar yes
Here is surge protector also from Walmart
dusty cedar
where it's from doesn't matter. walmart has some good stuff.
sullen spoke
receptactle and breaker would have to be 20amp. Assuming this is US 15amp cord should be able to do ~1800w peak or something
should only be big concern if you have large appliances on the same circuit
obsidian wigeon
that power strip can surely handle a pc, 3 monitors and more
dusky hearth
btw it's a bad sign if your power bar/surge protector has a larger wire gauge than the extension
also always make sure you aren't exceeding the rated limits of extensions and power strips
dusty cedar
that power strip can surely handle a pc, 3 monitors and more
but not the extension cable it's plugged into
obsidian wigeon
it's probably the house's electrical circuit itself that lacks power
dusky hearth
receptactle and breaker would have to be 20amp. Assuming this is US 15amp cord *...
except you don't measure ac in watts and you measure it in va
obsidian wigeon
i'm a little lost here
sullen spoke
shhh
dusty cedar
@obsidian wigeon
obsidian wigeon
Oh
sullen spoke
simplifying
obsidian wigeon
Okay I got it
Yeah you'll need better extensions
The extension cables you got might have died
dusty cedar
its fried
dusky hearth
i wouldn't continue using it even if it was not fried
little osprey
get yourself one of these in the future.
https://www.amazon.com/ADJ-Products-PO...
I need one of those LMFAO
Taking that myself
dusky hearth
if not the cable, the house would have been fried
obsidian wigeon
ye
dusky hearth
and the cable along with it ig
i would be surprised if the cable survived the housefire it started lmao
little osprey
$70 though
obsidian wigeon
i'd spend some if it means im not burning my place down lmao
sullen spoke
wow everyone jumped in here now lol. But besides the whole cord thing, If this was a case of a burnt out motherboard it will be hard to track down if there are any other bad parts without any spares in which case you may need to take it to a repair place to get inspected. And as I mentioned earlier backup battery power strips (UPS) can go a long way for cases like this although they ain't cheap
dusky hearth
I need one of those LMFAO
only 1800 joules of surge supression
obsidian wigeon
I doubt anything in the pc got burnt
dusty cedar
I need one of those LMFAO
i have one. its good and not gonna fail.
obsidian wigeon
It's likely just the extension dying and not working anymore
Thus effectively renders the pc useless
little osprey
I just need more outlets of all things to be completely fair
dusky hearth
i just had flashbacks to that cursed way too many oulets power..... block
obsidian wigeon
lmao
sullen spoke
oh yeah if you are using the same extension that can be a problem XD. Try temporarily moving the pc to an outlet or different outlet
dusky hearth
not only is it a unit, there is also the side bonus of several units of the fire brigade coming over after you use it
obsidian wigeon
and the funny thing is people buys it
talking about that
dad recently had a power strip burn out cause it couldn't handle a water kettle and a microwave running at the same time
it started smoking lmao
dusky hearth
microwaves and such are like
one of the few things that you would normally not plug into a power strip lmao
dusky hearth
💀
obsidian wigeon
so yeah always at risk lmao
little osprey
Are there like any surge protectors I can get while I also expanding my outlets
obsidian wigeon
now we just plug one thing in at a time
dusky hearth
boil the water in the bathroom frfr
shrewd charm
So tried with just cpu case fan and 1 stick of ram its a no go. I tried another outlet earlier and no luck am currently using same extension cord bc no alternative i looks beefy though ans has 3 connectors so just using the other non burnt one. Monitors and surge protector light up so power is getting that far psi fan spins up had case fan working earlier when bridging psu. Also just tried bridging the power switch on mother board and no dice... starting to think motherboard may be problem
obsidian wigeon
that's big brain
but i think we just need a pretty good and expensive power strip
dusky hearth
and then the breaker trips
dusky hearth
you'll likely be overloading the circuit
obsidian wigeon
actually never did that once
dusky hearth
by running a kettle (usually 1500w in N/A at least) plus at least 600w of microwave
obsidian wigeon
the only time it tripped the breaker was the electrician messed up with not fully inserting cable to the breaker
so it causes a short whenever we draw a lot of power
thank god dad noticed it and fixed it, along with replacing the breaker before it started a fire
dusky hearth
if your breaker never trips then it's probably not a good breaker because it's supposed to trip when overloaded for x amount of time lmao
also it's not a short circuit
it's a diff word, i forget the term
dusty cedar
its supposed to trip when the amps exceed its rating. instantly
obsidian wigeon
one for kitchen, one for bedroom and such
dusky hearth
obsidian wigeon
ah
dusky hearth
one for kitchen, one for bedroom and such
that's pretty standard lmao
though actually
usually there's like, two for kitchen
obsidian wigeon
ik it's standard
obsidian wigeon
the only electric things in the kitchen are the kettle, microwave oven and an led light bulb
shrewd charm
@sullen spoke any other ideas?
obsidian wigeon
the fridge is actually not in the kitchen
sullen spoke
Most common i see separate panels for separate floors, breakers for each room while bigger appliances like ovens, dryers etc get dedicated circuit
obsidian wigeon
it's in like an area that connects my room, bathroom and the kitchen
a small hallway in the house lol
sullen spoke
<@283746095979429888> any other ideas?
Did you try clearing the cmos
dusky hearth
is it so old that it doesn't have any electronics
dusky hearth
ok that probably isn't so old that it doesn't have any electronics then lmao
obsidian wigeon
in thailand gas stoves are still very common
sullen spoke
bought a few years ago
stone age 💀
obsidian wigeon
we still hook it up to lpg tanks
sullen spoke
jk we use gas stove too, the electric oven is separate. we like variety
obsidian wigeon
well nah it ain't lpg my bad
it's compressed natural gas actually
can blow up if the pipes and valves aren't properly hooked up
shrewd charm
Did you try clearing the cmos
Not yet let ill go read that article
obsidian wigeon
lmao
We have the nicer ones, smaller with two burners actually
Not the one you could place on the ground
Needs a table
Or a counter, anything works lol
dusky hearth
lmao
shrewd charm
I'm pretty confident the Motherboard is fried. Tried swithching reset and power switches and no difference. tried with no ram and no LED lights. Haven't done CMOS reset yet. A little worried about it. Will it reset all my files?
little osprey
Files won’t be tampered with unless commanded to
How recently have you gotten the board?
sullen spoke
No a cmos clear would only affect the motherboard settings that can be set back later assuming it turns on at all
little osprey
Like it’s not turning on at all?
shrewd charm
No a cmos clear would only affect the motherboard settings that can be set back ...
Holly Sh!7 CMOS reset Worked!!! Thanks
little osprey
Yeah takes a minute
sullen spoke
Did it actually?
little osprey
I usually just take the CMOS battery out and let it drain for like a minute or two
shrewd charm
Yes Everything came on didn't have any ram installed so gor RAM debug putting it back in now
shrewd charm
I usually just take the CMOS battery out and let it drain for like a minute or t...
I shorted Jbat1 for 5 sec w a paperclip
sullen spoke
If it did I'm impressed. see if you can get to a boot screen with all the original parts. make sure everything is completely off including psu when putting the parts in. You may have to fix the ram settings in the bios
frigid jackal
how do I see if stuff is like compatible with my build
I put my pc specs into a newegg thing
shrewd charm
PC part Picker is what I used
little osprey
Yeah just Google PC Part Picker and click on the builder button
That’ll take you to a section where it’ll allow you to select parts
frigid jackal
what do y'all think of nzxt
little osprey
Garbage
frigid jackal
just tryna upgrade some stuff they put
little osprey
Yeah that’s reasonable
sullen spoke
some sites like pcpart picker will tell you about incompatibilities. Last I checked when using newegg's builder it automatically shows you the parts compatible with the system. You can always ask questions here and someone may be able to answer for you
little osprey
If you tell us what’s in there we can probably point you in the right direction for upgrades
frigid jackal
yeah sure
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NZXT H510 (Black)
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DEEPCOOL GAMMAX GTE V2
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ASRock B365 Phantom Gaming 4
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 - GIGABYTE OC 6G REV 2.0
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Intel Core i5-9400F 6-Core 2.9 GHz
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Seasonic S12III 500W Bronze
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Team T-FORCE Vulcan Z 3200MHz 3200 MHz (max speed) 16GB (2 X 8 GB)
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Intel 665p (1.0 TB)
little osprey
Gaming build correct?
little osprey
How much are you willing to spend on upgrades?
shrewd charm
Its alive thanks again im so thrilled
frigid jackal
well it's mostly just trying to upgrade the ram but idk how much they typically are
frigid jackal
idk much about channels but maybe you can do like 8gb for each of those slots idk
more capacity i guess
or like 2 of those 16gb ones
little osprey
idk much about channels but maybe you can do like 8gb for each of those slots id...
Your boards is most likely dual channel
frigid jackal
bc i know about like the 2 and 4 or 1 and 3 i forgot
little osprey
One sec
frigid jackal
well I also don't know because I have two 8gb sticks of ram from my sibling when the upgraded theirs
but I don't know how to like uhhhh
set it up
or if it'll even work
little osprey
Don’t mix them
frigid jackal
with 4 8gb sticks
mossy venture
how do I see if stuff is like compatible with my build
Once you make the list, send it here
frigid jackal
yeah that's what I thought
sullen spoke
Its alive thanks again im so thrilled
I'm glad we were able to get this far 🙂 When you get a moment make sure you head over to the bios by hitting the delete key repeatedly while booting the system and check that XMP in the ram settings is enabled
frigid jackal
what does XMP do
mossy venture
Make the ram run at its rated(better) speed
frigid jackal
ohhh
it's because i remembered I tried doing that
but my bios was so weird about it
mossy venture
Automatically it runs at jedec, for ddr4 that's normally between 2133 and 2666mhz
frigid jackal
and then I saw a video that said that my ASROCK was like weird abotu it and wont give you the option to turn it on
so I gave up lol
mossy venture
Xmp is normally somewhere between 3000-3600, but some ddr4 kits go up to 5000s
sullen spoke
some lower end boards are a bit weird with the ram settings and amd boards sometimes call it something different
mossy venture
and then I saw a video that said that my ASROCK was like weird abotu it and wont...
It's very easy including on asrock
I did it myself on my old asrock b550
frigid jackal
I'd want to like show pictures of my bios but I don't think I could do it here
mossy venture
You can dm me them
frigid jackal
also I forgot to mention but idk if it's my psu or cpu or motherboard but one time
dusty cedar
Its alive thanks again im so thrilled
id still dump that tiny extension cord you got running that whole setup if i were you
frigid jackal
my pc just like died for a second
mossy venture
also I forgot to mention but idk if it's my psu or cpu or motherboard but one ti...
Could be many things but imo likely psu
What psu do you have?
frigid jackal
and it had happened twice before but I got warranty with nzxt and they replaced it
mossy venture
Ah
frigid jackal
Seasonic S12III 500W Bronze
shrewd charm
I'm glad we were able to get this far 🙂 When you get a moment make sure you hea...
Ok will do I'm going to have to hook everything back up
dusty cedar
before you burn your house to the ground or fry your pc or both