In other words, is it imperative to the health of my components that I spend the $20 this second rather than future proofing with a nice & beefy “endgame” AIO for whichever i5-1X600K / i9-1X900KS I get?
#building-and-recc-chat
untold vessel
fossil cedar
Yep
Not worth future proofing a cooler unless you plan upgrading very soon to it
Cooler prices have done nothing but drop
untold vessel
Yep
Sweet! Should I just sit as is with no upgrade, then?
Update; I currently have it set to 4k120hz, even turned off hdr, at 444 12bpc in NVCP and it’s still flickering every 2 seconds now
cyan ravine
Update; I currently have it set to 4k120hz, even turned off hdr, at 444 12bpc in...
Run 422
fossil cedar
Sweet! Should I just sit as is with no upgrade, then?
Didn't you hit like 90c + in games?
bold stone
Does thus look good pato?
fossil cedar
Uh
bold stone
They released smth new and I'm positive I hope I can get the scholarship
untold vessel
Didn't you hit like 90c + in games?
I did, but haven't since I recently move my pc to a more open spot! It was up against a two walls in a corner
fossil cedar
They released smth new and I'm positive *I hope* I can get the scholarship
Can you show me the ones you posted yesterday?
fossil cedar
Ah okay then if you're currently getting a lot less that's fine
bold stone
Can you show me the ones you posted yesterday?
Probs fake
Building that thing from amazon
Costs like the same thing without sales taxes
So probs used or fake yk
Here it is
fossil cedar
Ah okay well if you don't trust it that's fine although it's a better deal
12400f is a good bit better than 5500
But with a 1660 super you won't be able to notice
And that one has more storage, nicer case and probably nicer psu
bold stone
And that one has more storage, nicer case and probably nicer psu
So that's a good deal???
Niceee
Should be 670jd with kb and monitor and mouse
fossil cedar
Sure? I didn't know the market there tbh
autumn gulch
Yes
bold stone
Sure? I didn't know the market there tbh
So good price in your opinion? Now I just need to pray for the scholarship
fossil cedar
Sure?
bold stone
Aight thanks
calm tinsel
@cyan ravine So I bought the 32gb ddr4 but my pc wont start when it’s in
Is it possible my pc won’t accept the card?
@dusty cedar
@earnest olive
potent portal
<@101107951401455616> So I bought the 32gb ddr4 but my pc wont start when it’s i...
Put the sticks in slots 2 and 4, counting from the CPU
They're currently in 2 and 3
calm tinsel
I tried it with just in slot 2 and it didn’t start @potent portal
jolly riverBOT
How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html
potent portal
Those aren't in all the way
It takes a little bit of force, press on both sides of each stick until you hear a click on both sides
calm tinsel
Ahhhhh success
Man I thought I pressed hard enough but not enough concentrated force
potent portal
It can be tricky to tell if you haven't done it before
calm tinsel
Worried about breaking the delicate parts
potent portal
It's less delicate than you think
Really only the CPU pins would be delicate enough to break if you dropped it or pressed on it
calm tinsel
👍
tawny violet
I don't have it with me yet (it's what I am planning to order roughly in the start of July for my new PC)
dim reef
i’m terms of performance, should I buy an asus dual oc or zotac gaming twin edge oc for a 3060ti gpu
potent portal
There's effectively no difference between them, whichever is cheaper
dusky hearth
i mean
if you buy used for a good price
why not
i wouldn't buy new at msrp though
obsidian wigeon
Hence I said new
dusky hearth
ah i missed that
obsidian wigeon
Used is wiser
Cuz all you get for cheap new rn are erm
Ventus 2x with g6x version of 3060ti
dusky hearth
obsidian wigeon
100c+ vram
fossil cedar
Also I wouldn't get 3060ti new as of current imo
I mean the price of 280 aint bad
obsidian wigeon
280 for ventus 2x g6x tho
that's problematic
not card breaking just kinda iffy
obsidian wigeon
hm, that's good while it lasted
fossil cedar
Eh I'd probably say a bit better since they get way more optimisation
obsidian wigeon
yeah and that they technically get more vram
10 on 6700 instead of 16 unified memory
golden bloom
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r27Zk9 want more opinions on my budget build thanks
dusky hearth
imo save some money and go gen 3 drive, gen 4 doesn't do too much benefit for day to day use, and even gaming, and also get like 2tb especially if you are planning on gaming (which looking at your specs, you are)
potent portal
It's only a $3 savings to go gen 3, might as well do gen 4
It'll save whole minutes of your life over 20 years by booting windows faster at least
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r27Zk9 want more opinions on my budget build thank...
Very nice build
fossil cedar
imo save some money and go gen 3 drive, gen 4 doesn't do too much benefit for da...
If they had the budget for more storage they would be better off putting it into like a 6750xt tbh, more storage is easy to add
fossil cedar
And 1tb is plenty of storage especially at that budget
vague oracle
I’d spend the extra $100 to get a 13400 but that’s just me
fossil cedar
I've never used a full tb of storage
fossil cedar
I’d spend the extra $100 to get a 13400 but that’s just me
Not worth would again be better off being put into the gpu
dusky hearth
i used up 1tb of storage in a week lmao
fossil cedar
games are pretty big
I use my pc for gaming too
potent portal
1TB holds at least 4 CoD installations 
fossil cedar
I think I'm currently at like 600-700gb used and i have COD cold war and mw2
dusky hearth
also to be fair, i hoard my game installations since my internet speed is pretty terrible
potent portal
But really most people aren't data hoarders like us, they don't install every game they might possibly feel like playing
vague oracle
I also hoard all my game installs, mostly why I have 9Tb in my PC
dusky hearth
if i had the internet speed to be fairly quickly be able to re-install games, then i would delete games way more often
fossil cedar
If your internet is 100mbps+ it really doesn't take that long to download stuff
potent portal
I recently downsized my storage believe it or not. I took one of my sata SSDs and put it in my PS4.
dusky hearth
i have 40 down on a good day
dusky hearth
not really lmao
fossil cedar
Even more oof
potent portal
I recently downsized my storage believe it or not. I took one of my sata SSDs an...
Granted I still have a 14TB storage server so that doesn't exactly hurt me... but that's not the point lol
dusky hearth
i live like, 2 hours from downtown toronto
fossil cedar
Oof
fossil cedar
Yeah, i live about an hour away from dublin in an estate and we get offered 500mbps and possibly 1gbps
dusky hearth
damn
i think there are options for 100mbps internet where i live, but they're very expensive without any deals or such, i think it was like, 120/m? honestly idk, only rogers has their lines on my street i think
vague oracle
Speaking of internet, my internet just want down 
dusky hearth
potent portal
I just switched back to comcast actually, $45 for 400 down. I'll just cope with 10 up.
T-mobile was good for a couple years but it's getting too congested and my speeds were dropping, not to mention the unstable ping
fossil cedar
That sounds decent
golden bloom
I live in the country so I have bad options for WiFi lol download speeds are bad
Uploads is meh
I can still game without lagging which is the only good part I guess. I get like 50 ping on. A bad day lol
bold stone
I recently downsized my storage believe it or not. I took one of my sata SSDs an...
How high is the improvement from ps4 to pc out of 10
dusky hearth
Uploads is meh
fr
my upload is 4mbps
on a good day
luckily most days are good days
but the bad days are like 1mbps up 💀
and like, sometimes even lower downloads
mossy venture
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wHJP2m
pretty meh for the price
bit cheaper, same cpu performance with better xmp ram, and 30% gpu perf increase https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/cRMD6r
paper summit
No
just no
It should not cost that much for a 3060build lmao
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tQFDDq The pato build
mossy venture
its canadian
paper summit
Rip
untold vessel
<:monka:919723813573361705>
Uhhhh what should we do
I have the settings currently set to 4k60hz with no hdr & "use default settings" on NVCP for stability sake. No cuts at all, so that's good
cyan ravine
Uhhhh what should we do
?ddu
jolly riverBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
cyan ravine
Try this^
golden bloom
Is the XFX speedster XT model worth it over the Non XT model?
potent portal
Is the XFX speedster XT model worth it over the Non XT model?
Which models and what prices? You described GPUs that at least 3 different models would match.
feral marten
Anyone able to give me an idea on pc issue? So far: moved my pc recently to a friends, sat on its back for maybe an hour or two, rode in his trunk. When I went to set it up, gave me red error lights on the motherboard. At first dram and cpu, took them both out and re slotted, not it’s only vga and boot light. After playing with my GPU I realized it slots really weakly on the left side (hdmi side) and I’m thinking it sagged and got bent. Any ideas? So far I’ve tried: cmos reset, bunch of psu/power resets, I don’t have an extra pc to try swapping stuff around but going to a shop is last resort. Additionally thought, my monitor seems weird too, it won’t display to my laptop and seems off, I’ll be testing the display after this message (I also got a brand new hdmi and no change) best guess so far is damage from sagging. I’m not too smart so thank you all for any help.
Specs: basic ryzen 7, (sorry I know nothing else) msi GeForce rtx 3070 venture OC (pretty sure it’s a ti tho) 650W psu, and 48gbs of ram. No clue on what motherboard.
Right now I cant get the cpu cooler back on bc I’m having bolt issues, but I lay it on the cpu pre boot and there’s still a thin layer of paste, I’ll get more, but I’m almost certain it’s the GPU
little osprey
Anyone able to give me an idea on pc issue? So far: moved my pc recently to a fr...
Red light in the motherboard manual said RAM and CPU correct?
feral marten
Sorry for not updating. It was literally my monitor
feral marten
I’m so mad
little osprey
I do stupid stuff like that all the time
feral marten
Lmfao
little osprey
At least nothing is broken
feral marten
$200 fix vs $800 fix is a W in my books
little osprey
Oh, for sure
primal hare
How do I go about upgrading a 10 year old Asus M32 Series compuer tower to windows 11, does anyone have the answer because I don't want to buy a new computer if I can just upgrade it myself.
stoic island
How do I go about upgrading a 10 year old Asus M32 Series compuer tower to windo...
Are you sure you want to use it for windows 11? The hardware wouldn't be officially supported by windows 11, but you can bypass the requirements
primal hare
I will try to bypass the requirements, with the instructions on how to get around the windows requirements thank you.
stoic island
I will try to bypass the requirements, with the instructions on how to get aroun...
Take a look at this
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement
eager halo
stoic island
It's okay
primal hare
Yes, thank you, I will give that bypass route a try. Thank you very much for your help.
stoic island
You're welcome
untold vessel
?ddu
Thanks Felix! I’m stuck on after step 6. I can’t reinstall any drivers or even access nvidia experience to begin with because my pc keeps booting and safe mode & won’t connect to the internet
untold vessel
Thanks Felix! I’m stuck on after step 6. I can’t reinstall any drivers or even a...
Update, Full DDU process successful! What's next?
untold vessel
are you using ethernet or wireless
Ethernet!
dusky hearth
hmmm
oh you're booting into safemode without networking
uhhhhh hmm that's usually if something has gone wrong
try this
press win+r (run dialog should appear)
type in msconfig and click enter
in the general tab, make sure that it's set to normal
in the boot tab, make sure that the safe mode box is not checked
and then restart your computer and see if it boots into normal
untold vessel
Yup, all fixed! thank you for your knowledge; I'm going to copy+paste it for later help if ever needed
dusky hearth
np
untold vessel
?ddu
When changing to 120hz in Windows Advanced Display Settings, the only options avalible inside of NVCP are RBG and 444
earnest olive
How do I go about upgrading a 10 year old Asus M32 Series compuer tower to windo...
strongly recommend upgrading it with an SSD if you plan to run modern windows, either 10 or 11
quick google says they don't come with SSDs by default
SSDs are really cheap now and will make it feel like a new machine
even with a 4th gen i3 and 8gb ddr3
if you have a higher configuration, even better
you won't have to remove the existing hard drive to add an SSD either
without upgrading to an SSD, your PC might actually feel slower on a newer version of windows
if you've got an i5/i7 and 16gb ram and only use it as a browsing/office machine you can realistically squeeze out another 5-10 years out with a $34 SSD upgrade
if you've got 8gb ram, it's probably fine for now, but it's also not expensive to upgrade that to 16gb with used ddr3
even if you're not much of a computer guy, ram and ssd upgrades are some of the easiest upgrades you can make to a system
(at anyone wondering why i'm recommending a sata ssd, i double checked, despite running a devil's canyon cpu it uses an 8 series chipset with no m.2 support)
the board does only have 2 ddr3 slots, so it's impossible to upgrade it to 32gb ram, 16gb would be the maximum
little osprey
im getting my psu tomorow and i've set up a stupid little test bench to make sure everything's alright before it goes into the case
im on crack lmao
dusty coyote
Hey guys I’ve got a question. I just built a new PC and I’m having an issue I’ve never had before. My build is an Asus Prime Z690-A motherboard, i9-13900K CPU, gigabyte RTX 2070 super, and 32GB Corsair Vengeance Ram. I bought a new case as well. I have got everything hooked up and managed and when I press the power button, everything comes on. However none of the ports on the back of the motherboard are working and none of the ports on my Graphics card are working. Also my GPU fans are running full blast for reasons I don’t Understand. It’s a good card, I took it out of my last build and even put it back in to test it and make sure it was working. Not sure what to do .
frigid night
Hey guys I’ve got a question. I just built a new PC and I’m having an issue I’ve...
You may have to update the motherboard bios to support the 13th gen CPU.
dusty coyote
Oh I didn’t think about that!
dusty coyote
You may have to update the motherboard bios to support the 13th gen CPU.
Thank you!! I didn’t think about that!
little osprey
im getting my psu tomorow and i've set up a stupid little test bench to make sur...
i hope this is not that much of a bad idea
other than dust that may gather over the course of under 20 hours
dusky hearth
i hope this is not that much of a bad idea
other than dust that may gather over ...
it's perfectly fine, though personally i would have just used the motherboard box rather than the tempered glass side panel lmao
wait
why is the cpu cooler not on the cpu
?
????
timid dragon
Hey I have a problem my pic shut off while I was playing and the only thing that stayed on was the ram does anyone know what happened?
dusky hearth
also i find it funny that you have everything plugged in despite not having the psu
timid dragon
Pc*
dusky hearth
only the ram?
timid dragon
Yes
dusky hearth
huh.
timid dragon
I’m lowkey scared cause it’s not turning back on
dusky hearth
that's pretty strange ngl since usually even if the mobo is broken, the fans would still run?
timid dragon
I switched off the power supply and unplugged it and when I plugged it back is and turned on the psu only the ram turns on
dusky hearth
hmm, try unplugging everything and re-plugging them and see if it fixes it at all
i haven't seen this situation before, but i barely ever work with ram with rgb lmao
timid dragon
Okay thank you
dusky hearth
i'll brb in a little bit, ping me if it is fixed or not fixed
dusty coyote
Hey does anyone know how or know of a decent video that explains how to update my new board to support 13th gen processors? It won’t load into the bios and I don’t have a 12th gen or another cpu with LGA1700 to run on it so I’m guess I’ll have to do it with a usb
dusky hearth
you just need the file on a usb (might have to be fat32) with a specific name (check the manual)
as long as you have the bios flashback button or whatever the manufacter calls it
obsidian wigeon
Look at their io
earnest olive
i hope this is not that much of a bad idea
other than dust that may gather over ...
this is completely standard
obsidian wigeon
No bios flash button
obsidian wigeon
how do you know what board they have lmao
Ah, they stated the board above
earnest olive
heck, miners ran $10000+ setups in a similar manner for 2 years straight
they were fine
obsidian wigeon
Prime z690-a doesn't have flashback
dusky hearth
oh i see
earnest olive
honestly should just return the 13900K and get a 12400 lol
upgrade to 14th gen refresh when you're ready to upgrade the GPU too
14th gen should be compatible with z690 and you can use the 12400 to update bios for it
i5-12400 is already overkill paired with that 2070 super
dusky hearth
wait, 14th gen is going to work with z690? got damn
i thought intel said only 12th and 13th gen
earnest olive
wait, 14th gen is going to work with z690? got damn
yeah, but it's not a good thing
dusky hearth
oh
obsidian wigeon
15th gen we will have next socket
earnest olive
it's only happening because meteor lake-s has bad enough issues that desktop 14th gen will just be raptor lake+
the classic intel move
dusky hearth
💀
earnest olive
inb4 we get raptor lake++++
and then meteor lake finally comes to desktop for 18th gen but has to be back ported to intel 7 after intel 4 completely fails
stagnation 2: electric boogaloo
obsidian wigeon
AM5 shills gonna trash Intel hard for that if it were true
earnest olive
but hey, at least it's better than when they made 8th gen use an incompatible socket despite being the same architecture
earnest olive
and I'm sure it wasn't for technical reasons considering users were able to mod it to work with... tape...
there was no v3
it was just v2
earnest olive
they also weren't technically physically compatible
at least not without modification
but that was deliberate
obsidian wigeon
You can bios mod em and the newer cpu will work tho
earnest olive
no
it's more than just a bios mod
depending on the manufacturer you also have to block certain pins
obsidian wigeon
Intel moment
dusty coyote
The only reason I have the 13900K is because my wife and I run a store where we get liquidated Amazon pallets and we just so happened to get one in one of our pallets (I had a friend test it on his board to make sure it worked before I took it and ran fortunately)
earnest olive
intel changed some pins around specifically to make it harder to direct socket
earnest olive
The only reason I have the 13900K is because my wife and I run a store where we ...
I'd just sell the 13900K then and get the 12400 anyways
dusty coyote
Understandable. I may just do that.
earnest olive
due to a poor choice in motherboard your current options are to either buy a 12th gen CPU to update before putting the 13900K back in, or take it to a shop and pay them to update it for you
or flash it with a ch341a programmer if you have that I guess
dusty coyote
I’m just impatient and ready to use the new pc lol
earnest olive
if you're already buying a 12th gen CPU you might as well just keep it
earnest olive
I’m just impatient and ready to use the new pc lol
can probably drive out to best buy or equivalent if you're not in the US and grab a 12400 off the shelf
would be fastest
obsidian wigeon
Or spend a bit for some cheap celeron
Plop it on, update bios then put the i9 back in
earnest olive
you could go for a celeron and keep the 13900K but it's kind of just pointless with a 2070 super
dusty coyote
True. Strangely enough the closest Best Buy to me is like an hour and a half because I live in the sticks in Alabama lol
dusty coyote
I plan to upgrade my GPU very soon. I have a stack of AMD motherboards that I’m possibly about to trade someone for a 3070
earnest olive
so you can imagine how wasteful 13900K is for a 2070 super
12400 is also a perfect match for a 3070
vague oracle
I know I’m interrupting this but do you have any idea which board is better of a Z790 Aorus master, Taichi and Strix E?
And yeah 13900k 100% overkill for 2070
earnest olive
why do you want another z790 board?
vague oracle
why do you want another z790 board?
Dead PCie slot
obsidian wigeon
His current one has ded slot
earnest olive
what happened
obsidian wigeon
Broken a trace
earnest olive
did you leak water on it
vague oracle
I’m stupid
obsidian wigeon
Not water leak, a deep scratch
earnest olive
I mean given you're interested in ram oc maybe you should just ignore all of the above and get a 1dpc board
you clearly have the money to spend
vague oracle
How much would I be looking to get one for?
Because I also need a motherboard that can easily be dailyable
earnest olive
the budget route would be an itx board for low 200s I think
z690 kingpin goes up to 400
z690 u-x is 425, z790 aorus tachyon is 600
z790 apex backordered for 700
you should probably ask someone like gary or felix about 1dpc ddr5 boards though
vague oracle
Apex as much as I would want one I also need to have decent IO/M.2 slots
earnest olive
I'm not very knowledgeable about them besides that they exist
vague oracle
I think I’ll just stick to a 2DPC boards because of that
Not as if a 1DPC will help much with my IMC not liking anything about 64Gb 6800
earnest olive
it might help more than you'd expect
vague oracle
Are there any 1DPC boards that have 4-5 M.2 slots?
Wait nvm I’m just going to get another Aorus master because of the damn monoblock
earnest olive
💀
vague oracle
Completely forgot that i ended up going with the monoblock and not the velocity2 block
little osprey
this is completely standard
I did put the cooler onto it earlier and put it on the mobo box due to two comments I saw, the cooler shouldn't be an issue because I took it back out of the case with the cooler on just fine. It has a pretty strong grip on the backplate and whatnot.
timid dragon
@dusky hearth still nothing ):
little osprey
can I get into a video call with someone so I can try to clean my gpu lmao
obsidian wigeon
Cleaning a gpu doesn't take much effort
little osprey
never done this before lol
obsidian wigeon
Just make sure the fans doesn't spin while you're taking like compressed air can to it
obsidian wigeon
People doesn't really do video calls here for help
little osprey
zzzz
obsidian wigeon
Finding guides on youtube would help though, if anything
dusky hearth
<@297812853174566913> still nothing ):
Only ram and no fans spinning still?
Also try seeing if the pc will post with the minimal amount of hardware connected
And clear cmos
Btw when you unplugged and replugged everything, did you reseat the cpu (and also inspected for any damage or such) just in case
livid hound
Yo can anyone help me put together a good 2k pc build?
It’s okay if it’s over 2k by a little
little osprey
Yo can anyone help me put together a good 2k pc build?
Yeah for sure, what’s it gonna be for?
Gaming, streaming, coding, workstation, or something else?
That’ll help us get you started with a base knowing where to focus your budget
livid hound
Gaming
little osprey
Alright alright
Let’s see here
@livid hound, you need wifi or do you use Ethernet?
livid hound
Ethernet
little osprey
Alright, gimmie a few secs
little osprey
Isopropyl alcohol is safe to quickly clean certain electronics?
obsidian wigeon
Diff person
potent portal
Isopropyl alcohol is safe to quickly clean certain electronics?
Yes but apply it to a cleaning cloth and not directly to what you're cleaning
obsidian wigeon
Isopropyl alcohol is safe to quickly clean certain electronics?
Yes, 90% recommended but 70% is okay too. Just make sure it dries completely
^
little osprey
Yes but apply it to a cleaning cloth and not directly to what you're cleaning
im using cotton swabs because my mt dew cup spilled lmao
nto entirely
timid dragon
Only ram and no fans spinning still?
I tried taking all usb hardware when turning on and I haven’t reseated cpu I’m gonna buy some thermal paste tomorrow to do so. Although I doubt is the cpu because I’ve only had this pc for a year and I made sure to buy the best parts I could find and afford I’m thinking it might be the psu but I’ll keep you posted tomorrow I appreciate you trying to help tho thank you so much
potent portal
Mtn dew is corrosive so you'll want to get that off asap
obsidian wigeon
@livid hound https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x7N2tn
Same list I did last day but prices remained the same
little osprey
Oh NVM
obsidian wigeon
Wait, mobo has to be swapped. No wifi needed
little osprey
Yeah maybe 280mm AIO and 13700KF would be a bit much for a gaming build
?
Oh
Do most Z790 boards have wifi?
livid hound
<@696884055152787627> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x7N2tn
This motherboard has WiFi?
little osprey
Does 7900 XTX really eat that much wattage
obsidian wigeon
yes
livid hound
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/67nqxs
Tyty
little osprey
Newer generation GPU’s generally scare me
livid hound
btw scroll up a bit more if you want wifi board
The one with the z790 board ??
potent portal
AMD option @livid hound https://pcpartpicker.com/list/grLxyK
livid hound
Oh okay
obsidian wigeon
Also falcie, peerless assassin cheaper tho
And A620 is actually usable for any am5 cpus
Uhh, I did some mistake
Just realized it
little osprey
Why not get Phantom Spirit? Extra $2 for seven heat pipes instead of six
$8 more for RGB Phantom Spirit
potent portal
The cooler is easy enough to swap according to taste, same as the case. As long as it's a 6+ pipe dual tower (or fat single tower) it'll handle the X3D.
little osprey
Hmmm, makes sense
little osprey
What’s the 7800X3D on par with compared to Intel?
little osprey
Legit?
obsidian wigeon
Tops out even 13900K lol
obsidian wigeon
It's part of the learning experience
little osprey
Then again cutting back on the CPU seems better for a gaming build
obsidian wigeon
It's not really cutting back
13600K already has a ton of cores
And 7800X3D is very gaming focused
potent portal
You'd think, but modern high end GPUs are actually hitting CPU bottlenecks at 1440p ultra
little osprey
Really???
paper summit
Bros getting 13700kf and 7900xtx for warthunder at 1080p
little osprey
Bros getting 13700kf and 7900xtx for warthunder at 1080p
Nah someone else was doing a $2,000 gaming build
little osprey
Plus A620 with wifi
Was a little baffled you still chose that over any other AM5 board
obsidian wigeon
Cuz cheep and good
potent portal
I usually prefer the expandability of B650/E but that's preference
obsidian wigeon
But looking at it objectively it's actually decently built
tbf the A620 still has two m.2 slots anyway
Emough for gaming uses
And one usb-c
little osprey
What’s the cheapest AM5 board with PCIe gen 5?
obsidian wigeon
All am5 has pcie 5
Wait nah nvm
A620 has no pcie gen 5
But does it even matter
4090 ain't saturating 4.0 x16
little osprey
I hate having to think about the future
If AM4 was cheaper by a noticeable amount I’d probably be doing that RN
obsidian wigeon
Nah
Still way more than enough bandwidth for future gpus
Wait what, the A620 pro rs wifi has 3 m.2 slots for ssds?
wtf
little osprey
Wait really?
obsidian wigeon
$129 board with 3 slots
little osprey
Where’s the 3rd LMAO
potent portal
On the back iirc
potent portal
I saw one with it on the back.
Horribly inconvenient.
obsidian wigeon
The corner is that pcie 3.0 slot
little osprey
I saw one with it on the back.
Horribly inconvenient.
That sounds horrid I was gonna say
obsidian wigeon
Asrock being so based rn
obsidian wigeon
eh
potent portal
And the 7600 beats it
obsidian wigeon
^
little osprey
It does?
obsidian wigeon
yap
potent portal
By a lot lol
little osprey
which one is this
paper summit
Nah someone else was doing a $2,000 gaming build
little osprey
just went to get isopropyl all over everything and screw up rags
little osprey
which one is this
ASRock A620M Pro RS
little osprey
damn I use an ASRock B450M Pro 4; no Wi-Fi but I have an ASUS brand antenna to match 
ASRock has been pretty good for me
My first and only GPU is ASRock
5700 non-XT
potent portal
Asrock got tired of being the budget brand everyone avoided and started actually putting in an effort to improve these last couple years
obsidian wigeon
I'm confused how a $129 board with wifi has heatsink for vrms, and 3 m.2 slots
little osprey
Hey they make good budget stuff now
little osprey
I’m hoping to snag a 6700 XT brand new for $320
Or around that
There’s a discount RN for the ASRock one
I’m probably gonna have to lowball my non-XT 5700 by a mile if I wanna get rid of it
obsidian wigeon
Asrock has been hitting hard lately
Z790 for 179
A620 for 129 that's packed with stuff
potent portal
I'm confused how a $129 board with wifi has heatsink for vrms, and 3 m.2 slots
AM5 CPUs do have 24 lanes now so it kinda makes sense since A620 only gives 8
little osprey
If that board was in all black I’d be in love
obsidian wigeon
ye I get that
24 lanes on cpu is plenty for everything installed plus a gpu
And 8 that's on chipset
potent portal
It's surprising that they're actually USING all the 32 available lanes yeah
little osprey
I paid $170 for a non-XT 5700 and now I’m living with that mistake
little osprey
I got someone that wants to buy my 12100F for $65 shipped
To be fair if I can sell it for more than scrap parts I’m happy
Would a CX650M be a good overclocking PSU?
obsidian wigeon
CX is C tier
little osprey
For stuff on AM3/FM2+
little osprey
Awesome
At least I don’t gonna trash that
I have no clue what I’m gonna do with my motherboard or RAM as well as case
B660M DS3H is garbage
16GB of DDR4 is dirt cheap too
obsidian wigeon
cheap gigglebit garbo as always
little osprey
Pretty much
little osprey
I’m fine with that
obsidian wigeon
scraping for 6700xt
little osprey
I was probably gonna donate it or something if I can’t get rid of it
little osprey
scraping for 6700xt
At this point yeah LMAO
vague oracle
It's surprising that they're actually USING all the 32 available lanes yeah
Could a CPU running out of PCie lanes be the reason why the GPU doesn’t work?
little osprey
I’m curious how capable the iGPU on 7600 is
obsidian wigeon
trash
potent portal
Could a CPU running out of PCie lanes be the reason why the GPU doesn’t work?
No it'll just drop the GPU to x8 mode
obsidian wigeon
it's just to get by as a display output
little osprey
I mean is it enough for TF2?
little osprey
That’s all I need to hear
vague oracle
Because I’m using 5 Gen4 M.2s and was hoping maybe that’s why the gpu won’t work
little osprey
I mean to be completely fair I’ve seen people run War Thunder on mobile 8th gen i5’s
obsidian wigeon
little osprey
Ultra low quality
little osprey
Time to get my TF2 game back on
potent portal
Don't forget indie games. Most of them will run on it very well too.
calm tinsel
@obsidian wigeon my machine is 10x faster with the memory upgrade
Zero crashes as well
obsidian wigeon
Nice, grats on your gains
little osprey
Don't forget indie games. Most of them will run on it very well too.
Deep Rock Galactic I would assume so
Haven’t touched that game in a bit
calm tinsel
I feel like I’m not completely inept with computers now after my crash course
obsidian wigeon
Seems like amd doesn't wanna say the exact igp model that am5 cpus has
calm tinsel
Although I still have no idea what settings to run in game
obsidian wigeon
But it's capable of running val at 80+ fps 1080p low
little osprey
Are there any War Thunder benchmarks?
obsidian wigeon
digging around rn
little osprey
Ight, no worries if not
obsidian wigeon
But I mean
Even UHD 630 runs it smoothly lmao
I can't find bench vids of the game with the cpu, but I don't doubt it being able to do WT
little osprey
Yeah it’s a game that has ultra low quality settings from 2013
potent portal
They've done an engine overhaul since then tho
little osprey
That’s true
obsidian wigeon
Still though
little osprey
Still ticked they’ve broken a lot of the mechanics though
potent portal
I wonder how many fps I'd get at 1080p low 
little osprey
I will forever wonder why I spend so much to play games that probably aren’t even newer than 2015
little osprey
I wonder how many fps I'd get at 1080p low <:pepehmmm:903335097305034783>
On my 5700 well over 300
I get 180 on movie settings 1080p
obsidian wigeon
You'd be the first to test AM5 desktop igp on war thunder lmao
I'm curious as to how it will do now
potent portal
On my 5700 well over 300
I've got an overclocked 5800X so I'd guess either 350 or whatever the engine cap is
little osprey
I’m gonna be completely honest I abuse ultra low quality
Gets rid of the stupid foliage
So much more clear
little osprey
I've got an overclocked 5800X so I'd guess either 350 or whatever the engine cap...
Completely forgot some games have capacity limit
potent portal
Gets rid of the stupid foliage
This is a legitimate strategy used by pros
little osprey
Seems stupid
obsidian wigeon
Or just render distance max foliage off
little osprey
This is a legitimate strategy used by pros
I learned from the pros
little osprey
They need to fix the tender issues
I’ve seen people die so many times because WT wouldn’t let their 3090 Ti render something like ten kilometers out
I think the engine needs another rehaul
potent portal
Fortnite in performance mode gets over 140 fps
little osprey
Physics and rendering in general RN are extremely inconsistent
little osprey
Fortnite in performance mode gets over 140 fps
What’s the point of a game engine capacity?
Why limit someone
obsidian wigeon
It's usually physics engine limit
potent portal
When they design the game engine, it's only capable of running so many frames without dying
obsidian wigeon
^
obsidian wigeon
Engine limit on old games are also stupidly low
potent portal
Valorant at 1080p low gets around 300 fps
little osprey
Are there any benchmarks for the 6700 XT on Source 2 engine games like Half Life Alyx?
obsidian wigeon
There definitely are
little osprey
Engine limit on old games are also stupidly low
I mean who didn’t have a potato PC back in 2009?
potent portal
I was a console gamer then lol, 30 fps for lyfe
obsidian wigeon
You either had a console or a crap pc
little osprey
I had both somewhat
obsidian wigeon
That's the early 2000's for ya
little osprey
It was more so of a half taped together laptop
potent portal
I installed Halo on a school computer. I had no expectations on how well it would run but that little Pentium iGPU did surprisingly well.
This was around...2009 I think
little osprey
PC gaming kinda changed how I looked at things since how it runs really varies across different desktops or laptops
obsidian wigeon
I only got my first laptop in like 2013
And it was a ripoff lmao
My mom didn't know better back then
little osprey
For console you kinda expect the same for you know the rest of the consoles
little osprey
Ouch
obsidian wigeon
i3 2310M when Haswell was already out
potent portal
Ah the mistakes of youth
little osprey
I have a PGA Sandy Bridge i3 laying around
little osprey
Unsure what to do with it, played Minecraft a lot on that
obsidian wigeon
The cpu is still with me
little osprey
Were GPU’s common to see in laptops at the time?
potent portal
My first laptop was a gift with money pooled from multiple relatives. The only somewhat tech savvy one picked the laptop. They said they chose it because it was the only one in budget that had a dedicated GPU. It had a Radeon HD 4250 Mobile from 2008. This was in 2011. Adn the laptop runs to this day, I've been considering upgrading the processor again because it's actually socketed lol.
little osprey
Oh that’s awesome
potent portal
It runs to this day, I use it when I go to a friend's house to play DnD
obsidian wigeon
The glory days before AMD bought them and sold off their fab
Just for AMD to stay alive lol
Had it not been because of consoles, they wouldn't have been around with AM5
potent portal
The thing came with a single core processor but I upgraded to a dual core a couple years later. It can go up to a quad core.
little osprey
When I was thinking about building my first PC I was constantly going back and forth between if I wanna build a desktop or get gaming laptop since I wasn’t too confident at the time
obsidian wigeon
Was it perhaps equipped with turion?
potent portal
It's got a Turion now yeah
obsidian wigeon
Or just some Intel Core 2 Solo or something
little osprey
Was extremely close to paying $600 for a 1050 Ti and 10400H
obsidian wigeon
Ah
potent portal
It originally had a V520
obsidian wigeon
Expected, all AMD laptops were like common
Especially cheaper end
Well AMD+ATi
potent portal
I want to bench my laptop for hwbot points since no one has my turion on there, but that would require installing windows and my GPU does NOT like that idea.
potent portal
Nope it's just that radeon hd
little osprey
I wish I could experience Windows 7 and Google’s old style again
obsidian wigeon
2008 indeed
Intel was the only first to do that
GMA whatever crap
Graphics Media Accelerator, only capable of just that, running media
potent portal
I wish I could experience Windows 7 and Google’s old style again
You can. Windows 7 still runs fine on modern hardware and you can use certain websites that use archived versions of old sites like Google.
obsidian wigeon
Games are out of question
little osprey
You can. Windows 7 still runs fine on modern hardware and you can use certain we...
Really?
Hmmm
obsidian wigeon
It even struggles with HL1 for god's sake
potent portal
little osprey
Yeah, I mean it’s probably obvious
But a lot of people have gone for the oversimplified look
little osprey
Can’t believe my brother still sometimes thinks his email is still Hotmail
potent portal
My email IS still hotmail though
obsidian wigeon
Old internet has some vibe of nostalgia
dusky hearth
my email is also hotmail
obsidian wigeon
My email is gmail
little osprey
He made it when he signed up for Xbox Live I’m pretty sure
potent portal
You can type hotmail.com and it'll take you to your inbox
obsidian wigeon
My first email was also gmail, but I lost it
potent portal
I made mine because a spy kids game online required registration
dusky hearth
lmao
i don't remember exactly what prompted me to make my email
but i think it was because i saw my dad using hotmail and i went on and made my account as well
little osprey
When I was younger I thought having an email was some pristine thing
little osprey
I’m serious, like I thought it was on the level of getting your own credit card
little osprey
Then again I was stupid at the time
dusky hearth
getting a credit card is prestigious?
obsidian wigeon
They can be a tool if you know how to use em
little osprey
Valid
obsidian wigeon
Ez refunds when problems happens with purchases
Chargebacks doesn't care about what where you purchased says
You get "your" money back
aka credit balance
calm tinsel
When problems happens?
obsidian wigeon
Like when you bought something but didn't get it as described
But the shop, retail or whatever refuses to refund
You can issue a chargeback
calm tinsel
Ohhhh
little osprey
I’ve been considering doing a monthly installment on a GPU TBH
It’s like $15-$20 a month
little osprey
No clue
paper summit
I’ve been considering doing a monthly installment on a GPU TBH
U cant unless u do it under someone over 18s name
little osprey
I can just get my brother to do it
obsidian wigeon
I would only finance something like a whole laptop
little osprey
My bank had a stupid spending limit on my card so I usually have to pay someone else to order something for me
calm tinsel
What’s the gpu everyone wants these days?
obsidian wigeon
4090 ti ain't out yet smh
little osprey
Both are wonky
little osprey
4090 ti ain't out yet smh
The Nvidia brainwashing is kicking in
obsidian wigeon
As for xtx yeah it's $959 rn for cheapest one
little osprey
Still contemplating if I wanna get a figurine to put into my PC case
I’ve seen quite a few people do that
Adds a little character to people’s builds
obsidian wigeon
All I want rn is just a better laptop cri
calm tinsel
I’m starting to think my eyeballs wouldn’t even be able to tell the difference
little osprey
I wish I had that money
little osprey
I’m starting to think my eyeballs wouldn’t even be able to tell the difference
For the most part yeah
It’s more resolution people care for
obsidian wigeon
I want something with like 1050 tbf
Cuz am desperate
1050 will still be huge upgrade
calm tinsel
What do yall do for work?
obsidian wigeon
I don't really have a job rn
little osprey
I want something with like 1050 tbf
I think Floppa posted a 1050 Ti laptop that’s used on eBay for $250
little osprey
What do yall do for work?
Concrete during the Summer and snow removal in the Winter
And then the side farm work
calm tinsel
I don't really have a job rn
This explains a lot
little osprey
I’ve been pouring so much money into my truck I would’ve had my PC done by now
obsidian wigeon
Fixing it up?
dusky hearth
I’ve learned they’re just a trap
problem is society wants you to have a good credit score
obsidian wigeon
The truck that is
little osprey
Mostly yeah
dusky hearth
It’s like $15-$20 a month
don't, only finance a car or house at most, don't finance a computer
little osprey
I’m gonna scrap if it it needs another trip to the workshop
311,000 miles on a snow plow truck hurts
calm tinsel
@obsidian wigeon why not use all this tech knowledge to make cash?
obsidian wigeon
I can't
calm tinsel
Geek squad?
obsidian wigeon
Dad thinks I'd waste money flipping pcs lol
little osprey
It’s a hard thing to pull off
obsidian wigeon
I woulda been a crew to some tech place had I not been disabled
dusky hearth
is there even best buy in thailand
calm tinsel
Oh dang you’re young?
little osprey
That’s pretty young
obsidian wigeon
Just disabled so I can't work normal jobs
calm tinsel
Very
vague oracle
Oh dang you’re young?
Good chunk of us here are in the 18-20 range
calm tinsel
I imagined you late 30s early 40s
obsidian wigeon
lol nah
calm tinsel
Along w everyone else i was talking to
obsidian wigeon
By then I would definitely be having a job
little osprey
My dad keeps telling me to get a good education so I don’t break my back before I turn 30 pouring concrete
But like all the men in my family is essentially high school dropouts
All ended up doing manual labor
I’m still curious what a tech career would look like
dusky hearth
pain
little osprey
Yeah, people can be demanding to say the least
calm tinsel
I’ve been rewatching silicon valley
dusky hearth
not just demanding, just unable to follow basic instructions
calm tinsel
Seems pretty sad
dusky hearth
people seem to be incapable of following a list of instructions in an email
they do one step and email back, and....
potent portal
I’m still curious what a tech career would look like
It's a good time to get into programming or networking, but bad time for most other fields in computers
potent portal
Soooo many layoffs at tech giants rn
flint sapphire
Aws
little osprey
I don’t understand some people when they say you should find a job you enjoy
potent portal
You can learn a programming language in 3 months and use stack exchange snippets to supplement any knowledge you might be missing
little osprey
Like I feel it defeats the purpose of it being fun if it’s work
vague oracle
It ain’t work if you find it fun
potent portal
(sometimes less than 3 months depending)
calm tinsel
Find a job that makes the most money for least work
little osprey
You can learn a programming language in 3 months and use stack exchange snippets...
The most advanced stuff they teach here is HTML
calm tinsel
Retire early then do what you want
potent portal
The most advanced stuff they teach here is HTML
There's free online courses if you want something structured, but self teaching isn't too hard
little osprey
I’m still tryna figure out overclocking on AM3 and FM2+
dusky hearth
harvard's programming courses are free on youtube
vague oracle
I’m still tryna figure out overclocking on AM3 and FM2+
Just learn to code, can’t do much career wise with overclocking
little osprey
I’m not the fastest when it comes to picking up on things
potent portal
Just learn to code, can’t do much career wise with overclocking
Tell that to hicookie
vague oracle
I’m not the fastest when it comes to picking up on things
Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try
dusky hearth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAITcNt710&pp=ygUTaGFydmFyZCBwcm9ncmFtbWluZw%3D%3D who's ready for a full 24 hours of lecture
vague oracle
Tell that to hicookie
Hicookie?
little osprey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAITcNt710&pp=ygUTaGFydmFyZCBwcm9ncmFtbWluZw%3D...
How do you even test this stuff?
vague oracle
Then ripping your hair out troubleshooting
obsidian wigeon
^
little osprey
Just learn to code, can’t do much career wise with overclocking
I feel like if I wanna officially call myself someone who enjoys tech I should know the basics of overclocking on a certain platform
Or coding
potent portal
Hicookie?
He was doing insane things overclocking, breaking records of professionals, and Gigabyte hired him to overclock for a living
vague oracle
He was doing insane things overclocking, breaking records of professionals, and ...
Oh damn
obsidian wigeon
It's essentially a face for the company
"Look our product can push this fastest!"
little osprey
We had a guy who lived in my town who got hired by Bungie to test Halo games like a decade back
dusky hearth
I feel like if I wanna officially call myself someone who enjoys tech I should k...
i'm not an overclocker, but i'm still enjoying tech
little osprey
Still kinda jealous
obsidian wigeon
Game tester sounds like a fun job
little osprey
Let alone for actually good games
obsidian wigeon
Well until you have to sit hours on end finding glitches and issues lmao
little osprey
Back when Bungie developed Halo
obsidian wigeon
It's not really gaming tbh
obsidian wigeon
It can get fun, but probably mundane some days
potent portal
Game tester sounds like a fun job
Yeah let's get jobs at CDPR, never a dull moment there!
vague oracle
Yeah let's get jobs at CDPR, never a dull moment there!
Eyyy my Polish finally will be useful 
little osprey
I’m a little be curious about the process behind designing CPU’s and GPU’s
vague oracle
I’m a little be curious about the process behind designing CPU’s and GPU’s
Sand
little osprey
It looks like it’s all done under a microscope
obsidian wigeon
It's from very pure sand
potent portal
Not dull but you'd probably get overworked to death
Which is exactly why all their game testers said "F it" and stopped reporting more than their minimum quota of bugs. And then we got CP2077.
obsidian wigeon
"BAD GAEM I KILL YOU"
little osprey
Though I’m NGL there are some funny Steam reviews on games
obsidian wigeon
No cases of that actually happened but imagine waking up to that every morning
While your boss is overworking you
dusky hearth
It looks like it’s all done under a microscope
regular microscopes ain't going to cut it
also it's done in software nowadays
little osprey
Interesting
obsidian wigeon
ye
dusky hearth
in fact, most circuit designs are done in software
obsidian wigeon
CAD designs and stuff
little osprey
I wonder what would happen to the progression of technology without that software
obsidian wigeon
Software can do simulations
dusky hearth
it would be developed eventually
obsidian wigeon
More so with invent of AI
dusky hearth
prior to using software, they probably were drafting it on paper
little osprey
I’m not gonna lie post apocalyptic movies and games genuinely make me think
Like, would you rather be alive in a crumbling world or just be dead
dusky hearth
if society was destroyed, like back in the post-roman times, we would have quite a while till we get back to where we are today, especially if all the people who have the knowledge are gone, and the records are also gone
dusky hearth
also yeah surviving an apocalapse is near nil zero
little osprey
if society was destroyed, like back in the post-roman times, we would have quite...
Thrice Upon A Time in the NGE rebuild series was really interesting
Really had me thinking about how much of a desire people have to rebuild society
little osprey
It’s been a hot minute since I’ve went pure camping
obsidian wigeon
I like apocalypse games but not living in it
calm tinsel
I get grumpy without proper AC
obsidian wigeon
Dying Light is so good
little osprey
Who wouldn’t
calm tinsel
Actually without it being exactly 72
vague oracle
72 way too hot
little osprey
I like apocalypse games but not living in it
Those types of games just really get me thinking
Maybe I over think things
obsidian wigeon
rn I'm just playing contraband police game
little osprey
But it seems like such a grim outlook when society still attempts to live
In a world where a civil society has been abolished
little osprey
That’s true LMAO
little osprey
I’ll give you three GT 1030’s for one RTX 3090
dusky hearth
ungabunga
little osprey
Bargaining
dusky hearth
bartering*
little osprey
Close enough
dusky hearth
pretty diff tbh
little osprey
I’m a little eepy, woke up at 2:00 AM today band it’s like 11:00 PM now
I gotta work tomorrow I just realized
little osprey
Would it be worth doing monthly installments for a Google Pixel 6a?
dusky hearth
no, just buy it if you have the money
little osprey
I’m dirt poor because stuff is stupid RN
dusky hearth
if your phone still works, no point
calm tinsel
Overthrow the top 1%
little osprey
Little Caesars and water LMAO
calm tinsel
Give it to the bottom 50
little osprey
if your phone still works, no point
Meh, if I get an Android I’d be able to save money by calling on wifi and such
My iPhone 8 is falling apart
calm tinsel
Why are all you tech geniuses also poor?
dusky hearth
spent all our money
little osprey
Addiction on tech
It’s a cycle
You buy new stuff, new stuff becomes old because newer stuff comes so you sell your old stuff to buy the new stuff
calm tinsel
Gotta save it like jeff bezos
dusky hearth
also if you really need a phone (tbh best to get it before the phone fully fails) borrow some money from your parents to buy it in full at once rather than use financing
little osprey
Man I wish it were that easy
little osprey
also if you really need a phone (tbh best to get it before the phone fully fails...
Yeah I could get a loan and pay them back
$300 seems decent for only a year old flagship Android
Brand new too
dusky hearth
not flagship
little osprey
Well
dusky hearth
midrange kinda
obsidian wigeon
It's a midranger
little osprey
Samsung IG really has most of the flagship stuff
obsidian wigeon
6A has always been the cheaper Pixel
dusky hearth
pixel 6 was the flagship of 2 years ago, pixel 6a was the midrange of 1 year ago, and pixel 7 was the flagship of this year
of last year*
obsidian wigeon
Well Pixel A anyway
dusky hearth
this year would be pixel 8 afaik
obsidian wigeon
There's now pixel 8 pro
I can't fully call em flagship due to them using their own soc with last gen perf
little osprey
iPhone gets on my nerves because I need a stupid pair of earbuds or an adapter both of which I don’t have
obsidian wigeon
Maybe consider looking at stuff like Samsung S FE
little osprey
Apple just sucks overall
potent portal
I do like my pixel 6 a lot
obsidian wigeon
They're the more enthusiast focused phones
potent portal
OLED is the best feature imo
little osprey
Maybe consider looking at stuff like Samsung S FE
How much are those?
obsidian wigeon
Around $200-300
little osprey
I really don’t wanna spend too much
little osprey
Killer
obsidian wigeon
Or at least refurb
little osprey
I might be able to pick one up at Walmart maybe
obsidian wigeon
Nah Amazon has it
little osprey
Like a thirty minute drive though so I’d better check online
obsidian wigeon
I doubt walmart has older models
little osprey
Hmmm yeah