building-and-recc-chat

[austere condor]

compared to that?

lol

[cyan ravine]

^

[flint sapphire]

Hide the mess with the brand new fractal north!

[frigid night]

What's the cheapest 600-700w c tier atm?

[cyan ravine]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jvLypg/super-flower-golden-green-hx-650-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-sf-650p14xe-hx

[frigid night]

This is the one I found
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NWZQX1J/ref=sw_img_1?smid=AEHA1AAWZIC3L&psc=1

[cyan ravine]

Idk anything about that one

As the stonk Irish man

[frigid night]

just gonna be running a 9600k (no oc) with a 1080

[cyan ravine]

Hmmmm I think the $15 is worth it there tbh

@stoic island do you know about this apevia prestige psu?

[frigid night]

Pato did recomend the apevia to me once for the 12100/1080 build I did for my girlfriend (uwu).

but idk how well it'll work with the 9600k instead

[cyan ravine]

No idea

@fossil cedar ur Irish do u know

[fossil cedar]

About what

Apevia?

[frigid night]

lol

[cyan ravine]

Irish things

[fossil cedar]

Potato

[cyan ravine]

Whoa

[fossil cedar]

Alcohol

[cyan ravine]

He's legit reo

[frigid night]

lol

[cyan ravine]

Nah like, how good is that apevia

[fossil cedar]

Which model is it?

[cyan ravine]

Prestigous

[frigid night]

yeah, I had gotten it for the 12100/1080 build for my gf when you suggested it

but now I want to replace the 12100 with a 9600k

but no oc on the cpu

[cyan ravine]

Wait

That sounds like a sidegrade

[frigid night]

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

Speculative C tier

[cyan ravine]

Hol up

[frigid night]

no

well yes

but no

[cyan ravine]

[frigid night]

I'm not sidegrading her pc

[fossil cedar]

No ew 9600k has no ht

[frigid night]

I'm building a new one

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

[frigid night]

this is for a 11 year old kid

[fossil cedar]

9600k is 6c6t instead of 4c8t

[frigid night]

who plays roblox

and farming simulators

[fossil cedar]

And honestly not gamor as good

[cyan ravine]

Hmmmm

[frigid night]

I already has these parts

[cyan ravine]

How much for the board and cpu reo

[vague oracle]

If you can get it for like $25 or dirt cheap

[cyan ravine]

Ah

[frigid night]

the only thing I don't have is the psu

[cyan ravine]

Well

Since it's gonna get abused a bit cos it's a kid

[vague oracle]

I think 1000w is needed

[cyan ravine]

HX green

[vague oracle]

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-funny-laugh-gif-11964564

[frigid night]

lol

[fossil cedar]

What gpu gonna be used?

[cyan ravine]

The greatest gpu of time

Pascal #2

GP102-100-A1

Noooo don't say it

[frigid night]

lol

say what?

[cyan ravine]

waht

[frigid night]

huh?

;P

uwu

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jvLypg/super-flower-golden-green-hx-650-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-sf-650p14xe-hx
I'd get this as long as 650w is enjoying

[cyan ravine]

Ya me too tbh

[fossil cedar]

5$ more than apevia for a tier upgrade and 50w more rating

[cyan ravine]

15

But ye

Me too

I wouldn't worry about the pc breaking with a better psu

[frigid night]

alright

I'll get it

[cyan ravine]

Stonks

[frigid night]

sigh

more money

xD

[fossil cedar]

Ohh im blind

[cyan ravine]

No you're pato

[fossil cedar]

Reo what gpu

[cyan ravine]

GP102

[fossil cedar]

ENGLISH SIR

1080?

[cyan ravine]

THAT'S THE OFFICIAL NAME

YES

[fossil cedar]

Okie

[cyan ravine]

Nicely guessed

[fossil cedar]

I'd get golden green then if you have the monies

[frigid night]

alright will do

[cyan ravine]

It costs many golds and greens

[fossil cedar]

You could probably do apevia but idk if i feel as comfortable putting it on a speculative c tier, if it was high C or 1070 then I'd say go for it

[frigid night]

yeah I get it

ok so

minus the fans.

because idk which ones I want to use yet

[cyan ravine]

CLC stonks

[frigid night]

how much would you price this build out?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/tiraniss/saved/dpCtCJ

I know it's not optimal.

but it's parts I have that I don't need and I'm not looking to spend more money.

and it's going to an 11 year old who just wants to simulate farming and play roblox lol

[cyan ravine]

550-ish?

Maybe 500

Idk it depends on 1080 resale

[frigid night]

should I charge a time fee (knowledge and time building it)?

[cyan ravine]

You could yeah

[frigid night]

I believe I can resale the 1080 for 140

[cyan ravine]

Oh I'm overestimating the 1080 then

[fossil cedar]

Thermalright c12c's are dirt cheap and has rgb

[cyan ravine]

500-ish region

±30

You could say 560 and call it a day methinks

[frigid night]

ok so these prices are what I found on ebay recent sold listings.

[fossil cedar]

If you're selling it, you could get the apevia

[cyan ravine]

I'd maybe keep the aio tho

[fossil cedar]

👀

[frigid night]

oh?

[fossil cedar]

Although i suppose better than buying new cooler if he don't wanna sell aio

Also i think aio helps with sale price

[frigid night]

that's what I was thinking. cuz liquid cooling

[cyan ravine]

The aio does tbh

[fossil cedar]

Reo just use stock case fans?

[cyan ravine]

Also that aio is great for sff

[frigid night]

no stock fans

[cyan ravine]

I'd sell it separately

It's a desirable aio for a niche market

[fossil cedar]

Oh then grab a 3 pack of thermalright c12c's for like 12$

And has rgb

[frigid night]

ok sweet

[cyan ravine]

Also really a 9600K for 110??

[frigid night]

I may as well grab 2 packs then so he can has 3 in front and 2 on the aio as well as 1 exhaust

[frigid night]

roughly.

[cyan ravine]

That 9th gen tax man

Christ

[frigid night]

looks to be 90-120

[cyan ravine]

90 makes more sense imo

Call it 600 after building

[frigid night]

yeah, I'm also factoring in that there will be no shipping costs

[cyan ravine]

Ofc

I'd buy a cheap single tower

Se 214 xt

And keep the aio

Sell that aio separately for 60-ish and it'll likely sell quickly

The 240 variant specifically works perfectly in a number of sandwich SFF's and it's a discontinued aio

So they're not the easiest to get

[frigid night]

alright

ok so that's good. It dropped the price below $600

which is what I was wanting

he didn't give me a budget, but I'm not wanting to turn him away from getting it

well haven't added fans yet

[cyan ravine]

Yeah def

3 clc's should be enough

Put them all on the front

It'll work without problems and have that gamer vibe for him lol

[frigid night]

no need for a rear exhaust?

[cyan ravine]

Nah

Intake is more important for that 1080 anyway

You could do 2 front 1 rear if you're conscious about it

[fossil cedar]

1080 will be self exhausting where the hdmi etc is so

[frigid night]

ah ok

[cyan ravine]

220T is a decent enough case for airflow

I wouldn't worry

[fossil cedar]

And tower cooler will be exhausting basically at the back anyway

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much ye

[frigid night]

ok, is that mp33 good enough or can I cut a little cost there as well?

doesn't seem like he's going to play any super demanding games

his dad just wants him off his work laptop

[fossil cedar]

You can go cheaper ssd

M371 from msi should be 34 for 1tb

[cyan ravine]

Msi the new value stonk

[frigid night]

I have a 512gb sata ssd as well that I could use

[cyan ravine]

That works tbh

Wipe it tho

(goes without saying lol)

[frigid night]

yeah. tbh, it's never had any of my own info on it

I'll wipe it anyways because good practice

[cyan ravine]

[frigid night]

well, I know it was in my drawer here just yesterday...

where tf did I put it xD

[fossil cedar]

Just use that tbh

[frigid night]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2pC48d/hp-s700-500-gb-25-solid-state-drive-2dp99aaabc

[fossil cedar]

That'll do

[frigid night]

ok

[fossil cedar]

The kid won't notice anyway

[frigid night]

What price should I list it?

[fossil cedar]

I don't know tbh

600?

Maybe more

[frigid night]

I meant the ssd

[fossil cedar]

Idk used market

Oh

Uh

20?

[frigid night]

That's exactly what I was thinking

[fossil cedar]

25?

[frigid night]

I'll do 20

[fossil cedar]

Somewhere in that range

[frigid night]

alright current total is sitting at $573. I want to say $675 is fair.

that includes the time to build it and the knowledge in building it.

I think I'm going to go as far as installing windows and debloating and all that jaz

[fossil cedar]

I'd just get rid of like clipchamp and some other things not too over the top

[frigid night]

well I know someone that made an aio debloater bat file that I intend to use, but I was mainly thinking of making sure all drivers are updated and whatnot

[little osprey]

What tier is that PSU

Kinda tempting because of how cheap it is compared to the RM750e and Revolt Pro 850W

[fossil cedar]

It's B tier, although if you looking for a 750w, there's an A tier in #tech-deals for 85

[little osprey]

The FSP one right?

[fossil cedar]

Fsp ye

[little osprey]

@fossil cedar https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DKw7YJ/phanteks-revolt-pro-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p850gc

[fossil cedar]

Not bad for an 850w these days

[little osprey]

Do you think it'd be reasonable to grab this over the FSP an Corsair PSU since it's 850W and about the same price as the RM750e?

[cyan ravine]

I mean for $10 it's a nice upgrade

[fossil cedar]

Depends on what parts you'll be using

[little osprey]

7600X and 6700 XT hopefully

[fossil cedar]

Well if you compare to fsp it's 25$ more

[little osprey]

Waiting for another sale on the 7600X

Or 7600

[cyan ravine]

Ya for those specs not really

An SF HX green is fine

[fossil cedar]

Grab the
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jvLypg/super-flower-golden-green-hx-650-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-sf-650p14xe-hx

[cyan ravine]

The that^

[fossil cedar]

Or if you wanted to future proof and have more budget you could get the fsp

[little osprey]

What tier?

[fossil cedar]

B

[little osprey]

My only issue is it isn't modular

[fossil cedar]

Then I'd get the fsp

If you care about that

[little osprey]

Alright, thanks

[fossil cedar]

Np

[dim forge]

Could someone help

Mu cooler doesn’t wanna fit 🙂

I tried pushing rly hard but it doesnt fit

And I dont wanna ruin my mobo

😭

The other side went through

[runic spruce]

Look up an installation guide for the intel stock cooler

Idk if there was something to do before installing it but I don’t think there was

Just push harder, it takes quite a bit of force to break a mobo

[dim forge]

i did push harder and eventually they all fitted in

Problem is, there are two pins that don’t expand how they should, so I might have to buy a new cooler

That happens for not dismounting the cooler before shipping ur PC 😔😔

[earnest olive]

did you do them in diagonal order

[mossy venture]

If anyone else wants a good laugh https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/143isqu/usafl_h_5600x3060_ti_pc_part_out_or_entire_build/?

$175 5600x, $60 16gb ddr4, $340 3060 ti

[vague oracle]

340 3060ti ain’t terrible

[dim forge]

I tried but nothing was working

[earnest olive]

it's pretty bad

[dim forge]

what happened was, the stock cooler fell off during the shipping

[earnest olive]

3070s are averaging at like 280-300 now

[vague oracle]

If a 6700xt is also that range, I’d say $340 for a 3060ti isn’t bad

[vague oracle]

Wait actually?

[earnest olive]

yes lol

[dim forge]

when I tried to install it today, it was very hard to make the pins expand

[obsidian wolf]

Genuine question

are 16gb of ram laptop

viable still?

I know 32 is like the minimun people should be getting now but, if someone doesn't have the oportunity to own a desktop

is it viable to even have a 16gb ram laptop

:V

[leaden mauve]

very viable

what will you be doing with it

[obsidian wolf]

My friend is trying to get a laptop to game

I know prety much any starting gaming laptop

can handle it's own nowadays

when it comes down to gaming

And I was thinking of the Msi Katana 4050 6gb vram, 16gb of ram and the i7 13620h

I could just go ahead and sell him my own old Katana

but I would legit sell it for like 200$ after all the fixing and I know the issues he could run into in the future so I prefer him getting a new one

[mossy venture]

3060 tis are $330 or lower new, 6700xt $310 new

[dim forge]

should I worry about these temps?

weather is 34°C rn

[paper summit]

Ur good

[dim forge]

it kinda spikes to 90°C

I know it's probably because some of the thermal paste wore off but...

[paper summit]

Being that that's only a 12100 getting that hot

Yeah u should prob repaste

[dim forge]

okay, I'll buy thermal paste tomorrow

[paper summit]

Cool

You'll be fine till then tho

Keep an eye on it

That's all

[dim forge]

okayy

thank youu

[sharp temple]

@potent portal I did it, 7800x3d 16x2 CL36 6000, and an asus ROG B650E-F WIFI.

[mossy venture]

I'd avoid that mobo

overpriced and ASUS is having some... brand issues right now

ram is also pretty overpriced

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tPjyhk

[obsidian wolf]

The only problem with that one

is that you need to get the bios updated

I was recommending a similar build the other day

that was the only thing I brought up to my friend

[mossy venture]

it's very unlikely

[obsidian wolf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cVdNRv

[mossy venture]

potential, it's because the 7800x3d came out after the other cpus

but it's highly likely, like 99.9% chance they come with updated bios

[obsidian wolf]

You say that

I sent a build here

a couple of months ago

From a friend who was doing a 7900x build with a mobo that had the same issue from Micro

The mobo wasn't updated

[fossil cedar]

all am5 motherboards support 7900x out of the box its a launch cpu, and the board you'r reccomended has bios flashback meaning you can flash the bios with just connected to power and a usb stick

[obsidian wolf]

That was solved a long while ago

[remote fiber]

halp

I need to upgrade my gpu anybody got some new ram chips i can replace the old ones with

[fossil cedar]

You can't feasibly do that

[mossy venture]

Unless you have years upon years upon years of micro soldering experience, I would not attempt that

Even then it's near impossible

[remote fiber]

can i make it overclock better then somehow?

[stoic island]

What exactly happened to it?

[remote fiber]

just overclocks very badly not very fast

[stoic island]

It's normal to have not very good bins, not everything can hit higher clocks

[remote fiber]

just think it's really bad

[potent portal]

If it's crashing at stock settings you have a problem, but if you have issues while overclocking that's just part of the game

[vague oracle]

VERY difficult to do, I have multiple years of experience with SMD soldering and while doable for me, I still struggle with it

[gentle pollen]

Okay I gotta ask then. What was your most difficult GPU upgrade? I am quite curious what it looks like.

[vague oracle]

I only did it twice, on a 2070 that’s as artifacting heavily and I thought it might’ve been the vram chips

Wasn’t the VRAM sadly

[potent portal]

You normally can't "upgrade" a GPU, you can just replace dead parts with the same ones. The only time you might possibly be able to upgrade is if you got a lower memory model of the same GPU and added more memory to match the higher memory model, and that usually fails because of other differences in the cards.

[leaden mauve]

There's someone in hwbot who core swaps 980ti cores to maxwell titan cores

[vague oracle]

You can technically add more vram to GPUs but with a good of bios modding

I’ve seen a couple 2070 16Gb and 16Gb 3070s

Me and a friend of mine turned a 3070 into 16Gb over last semester, I only did the hardware part of it. He did all firmware parts of it

[leaden mauve]

actually you can

[languid nimbus]

[gentle pollen]

was it stable?

[bold prism]

Can someone please help me build a decent mini gaming pc? Nothing too crazy if possible less than 800. I have monitor keyboard and mouse already. Thank you

[potent portal]

US?

And how mini do you need it to be?

[cyan ravine]

About as good as it'll get
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FCDzzf

[potent portal]

I came up with something very similar https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fprcd9

[cyan ravine]

Better list yours

But not as smol

[potent portal]

Flashback is important imo

[cyan ravine]

[potent portal]

And case is very swappable

[cyan ravine]

Def

[bold prism]

Yes usd

Thank you guys

Do you guys recommend going even cheaper on gpu and other stuff if my main goal is to play simple games and watch shows. It’s for my sister so she doesn’t need anything too crazy

[cyan ravine]

You could go cheaper yeah

For a new build I wouldn't go below an rx6600

[bold prism]

Ok thank you

[viral horizon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PVdnW4 what fans would be good for this build?

[serene onyx]

https://newegg.io/89fe96a

I need help with my build, idk if it's good enough or decent

Budget is 1.4k

[obsidian wigeon]

Man that's hella overpriced

Don't buy from just newegg too

[serene onyx]

I'm new to this

That's why I need help

[obsidian wigeon]

Gimme a moment

[serene onyx]

Alright

[bold prism]

I’m tryin to upgrade my gpu in my build. Is there anything i need to do before replacing it?

[obsidian wigeon]

What's your current pc's specs? CPU, ram, board and PSU

@serene onyx https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7gGxyK

I would do this

[serene onyx]

Alright let's check it out

Looks pretty good

Thanks

What if I make it a water cooled pc 😹😹

[obsidian wigeon]

That'd remove all the parts just to have it like that, sadly

[serene onyx]

Yeah ik I was jk

[obsidian wigeon]

Ah lol

[mossy venture]

Great list, id just change monitor to g27q if you can

P12s are what I'd go with

[mossy venture]

Are you gaming?

[bold prism]

Cpu: i7 12700k
ram: gskill ripjaws v 32gb ddr4-4000 cl18 memory Psu: bitfenix whisper m850 w 80+ gold Board: msi mpg z690 edge WiFi ddr4. Currently I have a 3070 (dk which one) but I’m trying to build my sister a pc with it and upgrade mine.

[obsidian wigeon]

You don't need to replace anything

Just the gpu and you're good to go

[bold prism]

Ok thanks

[fossil cedar]

Stock fans are enough, buying a 6950xt for 1080p is pretty pointless, you can save on the psu and thermal paste comes with the cooler.
Just to check you are in the US(your name says british so that'd change parts you'd wanna use if you are)? And your budget is 1.45k ish? Assuming those are true this would be better
And you can just use the fans that come with the case
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J36678

[mossy venture]

What foxy said

Throw in whatever new gpu you want and it'll be fine, psu is A tier I believe

Itd handle even a 4090, though a 7900xtx power spikes might cause issues

[obsidian wigeon]

It is tier a ya

Pretty good unit

[fossil cedar]

This is better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hG7vH2

[obsidian wigeon]

breh

It wouldn't be good if the goal isn't 1440p gaming tho

[fossil cedar]

Wdym

And why would you buy a 6950xt for 1080p

[obsidian wigeon]

That was my whole point

[fossil cedar]

Well then you'd just spend less money?

[obsidian wigeon]

nyo

same moners gets ddr5

[serene onyx]

Yes and for work

So many options

Idek

[obsidian wigeon]

Raw gpu power goes to pato's list, minmaxed

Mine was just fancy

[serene onyx]

I just want it to run almost any game

And look nice

🙏🏽

So which one would be better

[mossy venture]

if you don't care about looks https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y8Rzzf

this looks decent, not amazing but still nice imo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P9qhRv

[fossil cedar]

Not for the same money, you'd be going over budget

[mossy venture]

best of both worlds here

[serene onyx]

Alright

[fossil cedar]

Wait

That case only has one fan

[mossy venture]

yeah, would prob want to add a few more

[fossil cedar]

@serene onyx do you need wifi?

[mossy venture]

or get a different case, g360a for example

[serene onyx]

Yes

[mossy venture]

I'm a fan of this case too https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R96p99/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-por1a-02

[serene onyx]

Alright

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pqzhP6/phanteks-eclipse-g360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dbk02

I could link about 15 different cases lol, but those are two of my favorites

cheaper option I just don't like the front https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34LFf7/deepcool-cg560-atx-mid-tower-case-r-cg560-bkaae4-g-1

[fossil cedar]

@serene onyx
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bBgzzf

Id do that

[mossy venture]

that pa120 just came back in stock, nice price

[fossil cedar]

No cpu overclocking but ddr5 probably worth the trade off

Yeah very

[mossy venture]

imo ram is ugly, since they care about looks I'd do something else but that's personal preference

[serene onyx]

It is ugly

😹

It's fine tho idrc, I just need something that can work

And is good 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

[serene onyx]

Thanks

[mossy venture]

$5 more but looks a good bit nicer

[earnest olive]

why is red ram still being manufactured in 2023

who wants red ram

[serene onyx]

That's what I'm sauing

Saying*

Ima get the star wars ssd 🗣🥱

[mossy venture]

?

[serene onyx]

https://www.seagate.com/products/gaming-drives/special-editions/lightsaber-collection-nvme-ssd/

[late fjord]

I have red ram in my mini pc

[mossy venture]

how much does that cost?

[earnest olive]

did you want it specifically because it was red

[mossy venture]

i don't think it's even in stock anywhere

[serene onyx]

240

[mossy venture]

that is atrocious

[late fjord]

No. You can't see them though. Cheap ripjaws

[earnest olive]

exactly

[mossy venture]

the $110 xs70 completely outclasses it

same with the p44 pro at $120-130

[serene onyx]

Ik I was jk 😭 but the design is cool tho

[mossy venture]

and the $73 670p will work exactly the same in gaming

[mossy venture]

ah

mb

[earnest olive]

who actually wants red ram because it's red lol

maybe there was a market for it in 2015

but 2023?

[late fjord]

Actually my sister has red corsair vengeance in her pc too 😂 her favorite color

[earnest olive]

hey please don't use such language in this server

we don't just say c*rsair here

[serene onyx]

Coreseir

[late fjord]

Wait since when is redacted bad 👀

[mossy venture]

gonna make me vomit, god

[serene onyx]

Guys can the pc builds yall sent me run Java ☹️😪

I'm jk pls don't ban me

[earnest olive]

first c*rsair now j*va

[late fjord]

I thought that was a good brand lol

[earnest olive]

yall have some nerve

[serene onyx]

Hey

[earnest olive]

lmao

[serene onyx]

Not my fault my job is gonna require [java]

☹️

[earnest olive]

my programming languages prof visibly and audibly gags every time java is mentioned

[stoic island]

whoa whoa whoa what's with this java slander

[serene onyx]

I'm saying

[late fjord]

No but why are they bad though. Lol

[serene onyx]

Idk

[earnest olive]

corsair is a mixed bag

they make some good stuff

and then they're bottom of the barrel for some stuff

[stoic island]

Corsair is overpriced for at best average products in general

[earnest olive]

ram is one of those things that they're bottom of the barrel for

[stoic island]

PSUs they're fine because they get cwt to do it

[earnest olive]

they price it higher than the competition while also having the most relaxed binning standards

almost every time you see someone asking why xmp is causing bsods they have a corsair kit lol

also, their ever-popular corsair vengance rgb series are some of the worst heat traps ever designed to be put on ram

[late fjord]

I have 4x 8gb 3600 cl16 vengeance and it runs great for me

[earnest olive]

sure, but you probably paid more for it than you needed to

[serene onyx]

Why is Java bad to you

[earnest olive]

and got lucky that it works

lol

[serene onyx]

What it do to you

[earnest olive]

i don't actually hate java that much, that one was a joke

i'm not a fan of it though

[serene onyx]

Ok good

why

😭

[stoic island]

People don't like Java because of all the boilerplate code you have to do

[earnest olive]

but there's definitely worse languages out there

[stoic island]

and it's generally slower than competition

[earnest olive]

like i'd definitely rather program in java than haskell or lisp

[stoic island]

but it's still fine

[earnest olive]

or the final boss of programming languages

[late fjord]

Eh oh well. I'm not buying a different kit until I switch to am5 or new intel

[earnest olive]

smalltalk

smalltalk is genuinely worse than assembly

[stoic island]

assembly my love

[earnest olive]

hey, if it works it works, no need to replace it

it's just not something that we recommend buying in general

[late fjord]

I had some cheap oloy 3200mhz cl16 before.

[serene onyx]

They use Java for everything here. And python

[earnest olive]

python is like

performance sucks but at least it provides a lot of comfort

nice for stuff where performance doesn't matter

[stoic island]

python is just easy to write

[earnest olive]

i had 2 homework assignments where we actually had to care about performance in python and i was like

ok but why

🥴

like we had to compete against other students in the class for the grade

[stoic island]

damn

[earnest olive]

80% for correctness and then the last 20% was given based on how your code performed vs the rest of the class

i was optimizing it with external C libraries to make it go faster lol

but yeah python is nice, whenever i have some dumb idea i just turn to python first

[pale monolith]

Hi everyone, looking for some ideas on a server build I'm going to be working on.

I have a 18U server rack that has adjustable depth. I'm looking at purchasing 2 enclosures from Protocase. One is a 1U form factor, the other will be 2U. My ultimate concern is water-cooling, specifically around the CPU in a 2U form factor. Is there a specific waterblock that I can use in that system. I was going to build my gaming system inside a Corsair Obsidian 1000D, which I own already and is completely new. But, for sound considering the 1000D is in my bedroom, I decided to just use my existing server rack for both my gaming and video editing/streaming/secondary system.

Does anyone have experience with server enclosures, specifically watercooling a relatively small system (2U)?

[earnest olive]

i'm not familiar with servers but in general which water block you can use is going to mostly depend on the cpu/socket

[pale monolith]

I'm going to be throwing in a 7950X3D

[earnest olive]

then you'd have to look at what am5 waterblocks can fit in 2u

i'd imagine rads would be a bigger issue than the waterblocks

[vague oracle]

Not sure if this’ll fit in a 2U rack but this water block is one of the best possible for AM5

https://techn.de/shop/cpu-waterblock-amd-ryzen/

[pale monolith]

Yeah that's an issue for me as well, I have radiators that I bought for the 1000D, which likely will not end up being used.

Basically my entire cooling system is going to have to be redesigned.

[viral ore]

most rackmount cases you buy are desiged with aircooling in mind, liquid cooling servers is only for the highest of power densities

[untold vessel]

Does anybody have a news explanation on why PSU prices are so currently high compared to historical trends?

[pale monolith]

I'm mostly just trying to keep temps down as much as I can. If I have to air cool the systems, then so be it. But, I wanted to at least water-cool the CPU and GPU. Wanting to pick up a 4090.

[vague oracle]

You could technically just submerge in mineral oil

[pale monolith]

In a rackmount?

[vague oracle]

Your best bet will probably just be to air cool

[paper summit]

Yeah there's no real reason to water cool that chip

Also 4090!??

[vague oracle]

Other than silence

[pale monolith]

Yeah, I wanna just go overkill. I'm a graphics nut, and I process a lot of 4K content, so I want to make sure I have more than enough power and computational power to do so.

And not worry about being bogged down in 3 years..

[viral ore]

you may have to watercool honestly, im not sure what board youre using, but the memory slot orientation would probably be detrimental to air cooling

also mounting a gpu in a 2u case can be tough

[vague oracle]

Probably would need a water block to fit it in

[viral ore]

exactly

[vague oracle]

PCie riser on top of that too

[viral ore]

you could possibly find a third party cooler optimized for a rackmount chassis

im pretty sure they do exist, but it would be a lot to try to figure out

if you have 18Us, just get a 4U box lol

[paper summit]

Or just run a larger server

Yeah

[viral ore]

doesnt have to be full length either

can mount air coolers and gpus with ease

[vague oracle]

Honestly, I probably would just go SFF instead of rack mount

[pale monolith]

Yeah I'm thinking of changing it, I haven't purchased the enclosures yet, so I can modify the design, just was trying to save space.

[viral ore]

i mean hes got the rack

[vague oracle]

Oh he already has the rack?

[pale monolith]

Yes

[vague oracle]

Must’ve misread then

[viral ore]

if my rack were bigger than 6Us, my personal pc would be in it too lol

[vague oracle]

I’ve been too lazy to put my pc into my rack even though it’s big enough

[pale monolith]

The only thing in the rack is a UDM and a switch, so I have the room to spare for the moment

[vague oracle]

My rack is completely full LOL

[pale monolith]

But I want to throw a rackmount NAS, and a NVR Pro from Ubiquiti so I know those take up at least 4U each

is it 4? I might be wrong

I know the NAS is 4, the NVR might just be 2

[viral ore]

if you want to do yourself a favor in the long run, start with the 4U personal computer

work around that

anything ubiquity would sell to a consumer should be 2U max

idk what you would be doing with 4U network equipment

[pale monolith]

That's what I thought

[viral ore]

lol

[pale monolith]

Well the NAS is 12 bays, I believe that's 4U for that. It's from Synology. I just want one. That's far more than I'll ever need.

[viral ore]

4U computer cases are essentially just rotated desktop pcs, which makes bulding in them super easy

[pale monolith]

Nice

So for that, water cooling should work?

[viral ore]

12 bay nas might be 2 or 3

[pale monolith]

Bet

[viral ore]

yes, watercooling 4U should be real easy

[pale monolith]

Awesome.

[viral ore]

my 12 bay is 2, but if the drives are arranged vertically, it would be 3

[pale monolith]

Okay yeah it is vertical.

[viral ore]

look into patch panels too, a 1U should suffice

[pale monolith]

To be honest, I'm not clear on what patch panels are used for..

[viral ore]

puts all the network jacks in the same place

can be useful if you are wiring up your whole house

[pale monolith]

I'm just wiring a couple AP's, my 2 rack mount systems, and I'll end up building that 1000D for my brother in-law. All which will be hard-wired.

[fossil cedar]

oh well theres a black version for 5$ more

[fossil cedar]

its gonna be covered by the gpu tbh and the ram that you'r linked works, its the same ram just black

[viral horizon]

i am american i just have the username as that just cause

and also, https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BM92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-speedster-merc-319-video-card-rx-695xatbd9 my graphic card says its around 16 gb. is that how much ram is compatible with it?

[mossy venture]

no, it's how much vram the gpu has

it cannot be changed, different gpus have different amounts of vram

16gb is plenty

[fossil cedar]

nope thats how much ram it has, and you can go with that one or the one i put, theyre both good and the same price

[viral horizon]

so even tho im buying 32 gb of ram the gpu can only handle 16?

[languid nimbus]

No they’re different entities. Gpu vram =/= ram

You can have 128gb ram if you wanted

[viral horizon]

ok then

[languid nimbus]

What ram are you looking at?

[little osprey]

Small story:

I began to build my first pc (still am) and decided to show my dad a few times. My dad got jealous and I decided I might surprise him by letting him build the PC with me next weekend once I get the PSU. I love the man, lol.

[dusky hearth]

huh

i thought you were going to be like, giving the pc to him LMAO

[little osprey]

I've dealt with a bunch of graphics cards before but I'm not sure where to plug this in...

[dusky hearth]

that is a terrible image, it shows nothing lmao

[little osprey]

Not sure what needs to be shown

[little osprey]

He knows I've been wanting to do this for several years. I showed it to him a few times and he mentioned how he used to build computers and whatnot; I kind of gave him his urges to build another one back I guess I could say? This lead to me letting him and I have a little fun together with a computer. Plus, he knows more than I do and can help me out, lol.

[dusky hearth]

it is plugged in, do you have any like, problems? like the pc not booting or smth?

[dusky hearth]

hmm i see

[little osprey]

It is? Then what's this?

[dusky hearth]

extra cable

[little osprey]

What for

[dusky hearth]

different gpus have different power requirements

some have more connectors than others

[little osprey]

Is there a need for this cable?

[dusky hearth]

not for this gpu at least

[little osprey]

Oh ok

Thanks

[dusky hearth]

np

[little osprey]

I have my main boot SSD taken out of my old pc. Will anything bad happen if I simply put it into my new PC and boot like normal?

[paper summit]

If it's intel to intel or amd to amd yeah it will likely do fine

[little osprey]

it's intel to and unfortunately

amd

[paper summit]

Switching platforms may cause issues tho cause drivers and such yk

[paper summit]

Oh

I mean you can try buy you'll likely have issues

And need to reinstall lol

[little osprey]

damn

[paper summit]

Yeah

[little osprey]

is there any usb m.2 SSD reader I can use to quickly shove the files and back up important things?

the old pc is no longer in working condition

[paper summit]

Yeah they're on amazon for not too much

[little osprey]

kk

[dusky hearth]

if your board has 2 m.2 slots, then you won't even need to use a usb to m.2

it might be cheaper to get a pcie to m.2 riser if you don't have two m.2 slots

by like a few bucks though, not too much

[paper summit]

Yuh

Most newish boards have two anyway

[little osprey]

well yeah

but I only have one SSD so I'd need to format it anyway

wellll no

I can still create a bootable USB and move everything from that live usb

SSD to second usb and then format the ssd

[dusky hearth]

oh

[little osprey]

is atlas a good idea to install on an old secondary laptop lol

it's a little slow so eh

I could make it complicated too

[dusky hearth]

use linux on the secondary laptop

[little osprey]

GOD NO

[little osprey]

by going into safe mode and doing lots of driver managing

[dusky hearth]

just use linux

[little osprey]

?

[dusky hearth]

if you want to get into server stuff, you gotta use linux

a good like

honestly idk, 80% of servers? are running linux

[little osprey]

Can't I just use Windows Server?

[dusky hearth]

that is expensive

[little osprey]

How so?

Key?

who said we needed to keep it legal /j

[dusky hearth]

ye
and the way it is licensed

also windows server kinda mid ngl

[dusky hearth]

i've underestimated the amount

[little osprey]

So I got this new PC, but it doesn't come with the microsoft store

Uh...isnt this supposed to be spinning?

[dusky hearth]

There might be a 0 fan speed mode

Run something and see if it starts spinning

Like a game I mean

Also monitor temps, if it goes to 80 without spinning at all, something is probably wrong

80c

Also windows usually has Microsoft store preinstalled

Not sure if the uhhh

"No bloatware" version comes with it though

[little osprey]

Idk what version I have, I just got it

the heck now my taskbar isn't functioning properly

[dusky hearth]

You got all your drivers installed as well? (This won't affect fans, just the software)

[paper summit]

Thats normal practically all gpus now come with a zero rpm mode while idle

Other than a select few

[little osprey]

I reset the PC as told by the manufacturer

[little osprey]

Yeah I noticed, it spins tho 👍

[dusty cedar]

not if it isn't being used by anything. running your desktop or youtube or anything takes up almost no power or resources for it to be hot enough to be used

i'd be more worried about it staying on when it isn't being used than it is being off

[dim forge]

hey guys

I need a cheap monitor for home

any recommendation? amazon if you can

https://a.co/d/3uIcHGE

[dusky hearth]

Hmmm reinstall? Or just clicking the button

[dusty cedar]

https://www.amazon.com/1-14inch-Resolution-Interface-Compatible-Raspberry/dp/B08RCPTWLP/ref=sr_1_5?crid=ZT33NSIVVXZ2&keywords=1+inch+display&qid=1686264734&sprefix=1+inch+displa%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-5

12.99

[dim forge]

lol

[little osprey]

Believe it or not, I call the manufacturer and he told me to open up the Xbox app and when you do, at the very bottom it'll tell you that there are some apps that are missing to run it or something. I click on it, and everything is literally there to install, the Microsoft store, and other Microsoft apps

Weird, but the Xbox app already has everything there

But yeah, I got it now

[dusky hearth]

no i meant windows

did you reinstall windows, or click the reset windows button

[little osprey]

I reset the PC

By the button

[dusky hearth]

ah

you would ideally want to fully reinstall usually

reset button does nothing but delete everything basically

[little osprey]

Maybe that's what I did now that I remember it

[rancid lodge]

anyone got good suggestions for laptops (school/work), 15in+ around 500-700 USD?

[cyan ravine]

GF63 thin 10ue if you can find one

With an extra ram stick

It's usually a 10500h + 3060

(no you don't need this much but regular laptops suck in value comparatively)

[rancid lodge]

yea, I'll take a gander and see if I can find it somewhere, appreciate it

if anyone has any suggestions lower on the budget that'd be cool too

cause looks lke the GF63 is hovering around 800$ and its a bit overkill

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I went to take a look too and they've jumped up in price again

They used to be near 700

[rancid lodge]

yeah

plus prob looking for higher res over refresh rate if anything

rather would have 1440p over 144hz tbh

[cyan ravine]

You might have better luck looking for a used one

Not the greatest feeling but all the <700 ones look horrible tbh

1650 isn't even worthy as a standalone gpu these days

You can get that much out of an all in one

[rancid lodge]

yeah not doing much gaming so mobile 20 series would be fine prob

[cyan ravine]

Yeah man, 2060 wouldn't be too bad either

I'd try looking for used

I reckon you'll def find a good lappy under 700

Maybe even something without a discrete gpu but a nice display like 4K touch

[rancid lodge]

yeah I'll take a look for something used, wouldn't mind it so

[rancid lodge]

yeah that'd be preferable

maybe not touch but

[cyan ravine]

The simple laptops imo are a hard sell these days

Gaming laptops are just overall better value for their lifetime

But I do get the need for something objectively better in a different way

If you're after an aesthetic or form factor that's something they mastered a while ago lol

If I had to say anything about business laptops, try and pick a recent Ryzen cpu one

The 5000, 6000, 7000 all have great battery life

And that matters in a laptop

[rancid lodge]

Yeah I'll prob look ryzen for the battery and look for something higher res maybe without the DGPU, not really a requirement so the screen res and battery life along with aesthetic matter more

[cyan ravine]

Sounds good

@rancid lodge have a look at this
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/11xpmwb/usatx_h_more_cards_macbook_asus_laptop_steck_deck/?

The asus laptop he's selling for 750 is a brilliant one

First result when I searched laptop in that reddit

Hardwareswap is a good place for this stuff

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/144k953/usaiah_asus_zenbook_dual_screen_rtx_2060_laptop/
@rancid lodge

[rancid lodge]

yea, definitely need to start browsing more as I look for a GPU upgrade for myself

[cyan ravine]

Oh I think that one sold nvm

[rancid lodge]

although 7900xtx seems like a good long term value with fine wine drivers so I may just go new on that cause I wouldn't mind

[paper summit]

This guy is incredibly smart 3080ti is 50 more than the 3090 cause strix

[cyan ravine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/14434az/usaca_h_2022_asus_rog_zephyrus_g14_6900hs6700s_w/ good one if you can stretch

[cyan ravine]

It is. The experience with it is great out of the box for most of everyone I've talked to

There's quite a few good buys on there rn

You could even make a post asking for what you want and your budget

Then filter

We're here if you want a second opinion so you don't get scammed

(I'll be busy later tho)

[rancid lodge]

yea, was worried originally awhile back cause of the overheating issue (forgot why that happened lmao) but definitely seems a better value than a 4080 💀

[cyan ravine]

Those were from biostar cards

Biostar is historically horrible

[rancid lodge]

oh was it only them

nice

[cyan ravine]

Ye, they did the amd.com cards and didn't manufacture them properly

[rancid lodge]

I thought it was more board partners, thats goofy

but yeah I knew that was resolved though so

[cyan ravine]

Nah man, there were a lot of people on the megaphone about theirs but a lot weren't even related

[rancid lodge]

mhm

[cyan ravine]

Bad hotspots come from all brands, but that was a proper manufacturing fault with the vapour chamber

Biostar was legit to blame, the others are as much normal and every day as any board maker

And that goes for team green or red btw

[rancid lodge]

gotcha, yeah I've literally only heard of biostar like twice and not on good terms so

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[rancid lodge]

not surprising

[cyan ravine]

In any case the cheapest XTX cards are not the reference cards so you're totally fine

All 3 base options are great, the phantom gaming is probably the best one

Only one better than that one would be the water cooled cards or the merc 310

[rancid lodge]

yeah I wanted the ASUS TUF model but its fr 100 USD more than all the others

kinda removes the value since most are sub 1k rn

[cyan ravine]

TUF is decent, not the best

Ye

I'd argue the phantom gaming is better than the tuf

2 reasons, price and the bios on the card is better

Quality wise they're both good

[rancid lodge]

yeah and I dont really hate the look of the phantom gaming either, dont like the merc's look much though

[cyan ravine]

Ironically the mercs are the best air cards

[rancid lodge]

phantom looks good just bit of a weird color unless thats an RGB strip

[cyan ravine]

There's a long explanation as to why, but the TL;DR is worse is actually better

💀

[cyan ravine]

I believe that's rgb

[rancid lodge]

oh it is

that just makes it better then

but yeah XFX does go hard ngl

I had a 8gb 580 that honestly did super well a year or so ago, being a card from 2017

[cyan ravine]

Here ya go

[rancid lodge]

yeah wouldn't look bad in my case

got a lian li O11DXL

and got it for cheap literally new as hell too, I think 140$ on amazon, only damage was to the box

[rancid lodge]

was in 2021 though, not sure what the case goes for now but big case and big card

[cyan ravine]

That's quite good for the XL

[cyan ravine]

Unfortunately the box market hasn't changed much

[rancid lodge]

yeah it was, was afraid of damage or smth but seems like some guy just bought it, box got dented, he returned it, and that was that

[cyan ravine]

Kekw

Box did it's job then

[rancid lodge]

true that

but yeah now I know that the card has RGB hell I might wait another month see if it hits any lower than 950$

its only been dropping so

[cyan ravine]

It might creep down a little more

950 in this market isn't too bad tho

[rancid lodge]

fr, apparently it's out performing the 4080 more and more now so

[cyan ravine]

Ye

It now sits handily in the middle of the 80 and 90

It's always had that raw performance but AMD has always had that maturity after release to date with rdna

The drivers are catching up

[rancid lodge]

yepppp

fine wine

you love to see it

[cyan ravine]

I don't believe in fine wine tbh but yeah, it's there, it's definitely faster lol

[untold vessel]

The connection is slightly better but is still cutting out every 4 seconds instead of 1 second. Is there hope for me?

[cyan ravine]

Did you insert it the correct direction

There's an input (gpu) and output (display)

If after that you still have issues with two cables....it could still possibly be the cable but I'd doubt, it could be the EDID or bandwidth rate of the resolution selected

2.1 is finicky over fibre to run at max bandwidth

It does work though

[potent portal]

Could try 4:4:2 or 4:2:2 instead of 4:4:4

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

In fact that's exactly what you should do

It'll lower the bandwidth significantly

Luckily with amazon if it doesn't work, a return is easy lol

[untold vessel]

I sincerely hope not! What is EDID and what is bandwidth rate?

[untold vessel]

What is max bandwidth, and what is it for this particular cable?

[untold vessel]

This sounds super cool; What are these settings and how do I change to them?

[cyan ravine]

EDID is what devices talk to each other to say how the picture is displayed

Bandwidth is the max speed of data over the cable

For hdmi 2.1 iirc this is 38.4gbps

[untold vessel]

In this case, 8K60hz / 4k120hz?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[untold vessel]

I See. so I'm having troubles because I am maxing out the bandwidth?

[cyan ravine]

You got it, basically that

Ye, possibly

It's a possibility

[untold vessel]

Darn it

I thought the Fiber Optic quality would fix this?

Wouldn't it?

[cyan ravine]

It's supposed to

Near 0 loss over long transmission

You wouldn't happen to have any other extensions on the same link?

[untold vessel]

What do you mean?

[cyan ravine]

More cable before the fiber starts

[untold vessel]

More cable?

[cyan ravine]

Ye like other 2.1 cables

[untold vessel]

Oh, do you mean to ask if I have any other 2.1 cables connected to this TV and to my GPU>?

[cyan ravine]

Ok, is the fiber cable a direct link from the gpu to the tv

No other extensions on this one link

[untold vessel]

Yes, I've directly connected the 100ft 8K60hz Fiber Optic HDMI cord from my GPU's only HDMI slot to the main, fastest, HDMI input #1 of my TCL r646 65"

[cyan ravine]

And is the pc allowing you to select 4k 120hz

/8k 60hz

Or is there wizardry happening

[untold vessel]

Yes, But I am currently running at 4k60hz to speak with you, as 4k120hz either cuts out every 3 seconds (genuinely every 3 seconds), or completely loses connection and says "no signal found.", not even a "check your signal" notification, just "no signal at all, connect something" message

[potent portal]

It reduces the amount of colors on the screen, but that's hardly noticeable to humans usually. This makes it easier to do higher resolutions and refresh rates.

[cyan ravine]

Is the gpu hdmi 2.1 ready

[untold vessel]

Unsure; How do I check? I am currently using my EVGA 3070 FTW3 Ultra

[cyan ravine]

Yes it is

Ok

[cyan ravine]

Do this

[untold vessel]

Attempting now

[cyan ravine]

This is just below where you select your screen reso

Sometimes it's finicky

[untold vessel]

Which do I select?

[potent portal]

What options does it give you

[untold vessel]

444 or 420

[potent portal]

4:2:0 then and see if it works

[untold vessel]

Attempting now

Woah, I can't tell the color difference. I think the only difference I can possible see is placebo

[potent portal]

The only time it might be noticeable is in really dark scenes

[untold vessel]

Now switching to 4k120hz in windows advanced display settings; Standby

[potent portal]

You can change that from the same settings page

[untold vessel]

Cutting in and out

Severely

every

[cyan ravine]

Worse??

[untold vessel]

wait

nevermiund

cutting in and out ewvery 4 seconds; can't see what I'm typing

[potent portal]

I'd say it has to be the tv then personally

[cyan ravine]

Wonder if that's still defaulted to 4 4 4

Wait, try again but make sure it's 4 2 0

[untold vessel]

Back; Defaulted to 60hz for stability

[potent portal]

Windows may have overridden the nvcp setting yeah

[untold vessel]

YCbCr420, yes

-?

[cyan ravine]

No it'll say that now but it changes when you change reso

It's done that to me before I swear

[untold vessel]

attempting 120hz again; will quickly try to ensure 420 nvidia settings

Returned, it did* default back to rgb. Successfully changed to only other option, 444, before complete signal loss was achieved

[cyan ravine]

Ah. Sadge

[potent portal]

One more thing to try, the list of resolutions will give you multiple options at the top of that settings page. Try the 4k option under the UHD, HD, SD section and the one under PC.

[untold vessel]

120 seems to be stable

not cuts just yet

[cyan ravine]

Oh it's working?

4 4 4?

[untold vessel]

Also, what does (e) arc mean?

[potent portal]

enhanced audio return channel

[untold vessel]

both hdmi 1 and hdmi 2 are the same, but hdmi 1 has something called earc

[cyan ravine]

For external passthrough of speakers

[untold vessel]

oh nice, what's it do?

[cyan ravine]

Sends audio to speakers

[untold vessel]

Or rather what is external passthrough

Ah

So If i use hdmi 2, my tv will have no sound?

[potent portal]

It lets you plug speakers into the TV and the earc device can use them

[untold vessel]

oh, I see now

[potent portal]

The internal speakers will work still

[untold vessel]

nice!

very intuitive

[cyan ravine]

So is it working 4k120

[untold vessel]

why not make all hdmi ports e ARC compatible? is it a cost thing"?

Testing testing

No current cuts!

[potent portal]

Yeah basically cost cutting

[untold vessel]

Oh my God, $56 cable for the win!

[cyan ravine]

Ok and is it 4 2 0 or 4 4 4

[untold vessel]

Let's see how long this bliss lasts

Currently I am at 4k120hz in Windows Advanced display settings and am currently applying the YCbCr444 Output color format in "3." of Nvidia Control panel's Display>Change resolution settings tab

[cyan ravine]

Ok so 4 4 4 means it's worked properly

Ur good

Trial hdr to see if you still have issues, if you do go down to YCbCr422

If still problems then hdr might be too hard for the cable

But I've had the same finicky issues with this stuff so I believe it's just the drivers at fault

Nvidia is very touch and go about changing monitor resos and hz

[untold vessel]

"since they reduce the color data in the images (422) or (420), if supported by your display, can help you to display at higher refresh rates compared to RGB or (444)"

--What does this message mean?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

So if 444 has issues you can dial it down a notch

[untold vessel]

I am currently running at 444, but 444 is actually the intensive setting?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[untold vessel]

Whoop, first signal cut experienced 2 seconds ago

[cyan ravine]

The most colour intensive

[potent portal]

TVs are picky about input settings, way more than monitors

[cyan ravine]

Ahp, try YCbCr422 then

[untold vessel]

Update: The only settings availble are RGB and 444

[untold vessel]

What's worked properly?

[cyan ravine]

The cable

[untold vessel]

Testing 4k120hz in 444 + hdr now

[untold vessel]

Woohoo!

[cyan ravine]

444+hdr is the most intense of all

I'd wager 50/50 it doesn't work lol

[untold vessel]

Also Felix & Fal'Cie, on a sidenote, the cable is very nice to the touch. It came in nice packaging & the cold-to-the-touch metal on both sides feels premium. Thank you both for the recommendation

[cyan ravine]

Ya bifale is very nice

Metal casing, nice cable wrap

[untold vessel]

Honestly I think it was one of you and/or the frog (sor'ry?) that also recommended the r646

[cyan ravine]

Ah probably fal?

He likes the hisenses

[untold vessel]

Trial #1, 4k120hz in 444 + hdr, currently stable

Hold on, with all settings set to max, what would be the most intensive combination of all of these?

[potent portal]

It's TCL lol
Entirely possible that I was part of that recc

Hmm, maybe the settings on the TV itself would need adjusting

But if it's working now don't worry

[untold vessel]

is 444 more intense than RGB?

Okay, first visual cut seen; Screen of black plus pink and green artifacting in a "wave"-like shape at the bottom middle of the TV

[untold vessel]

More on this, should I choose the 4k x 2k Native, or should i only do 3840 x 2160 "PC" setting?

[potent portal]

Huh. Supposedly according to rtings the TV shouldn't be able to do 4:4:4. Weird.

[untold vessel]

And wait a minute, if I'm on 4k120hz (windows advanced display settings), using HDR (windows display settings), currently at 3840 x 2160 PC resolution settings in NVCP, and am using YCbCr444, which I think is the most intensive according to Felix,

Would this combination be the most intensive for my wire?

[untold vessel]

Moreover, if this combination is the most I can stress out the cable over, why am I more stable on these settings than what I was doing before?

[potent portal]

Yes it is the highest settings you can do, and it's most about finding the correct combination of settings when you're at these extreme resolutions.

[untold vessel]

I see

Which means I could potentially have a more frequently cutting connection if I change to a different setting, yes?

[potent portal]

Potentially yes. Video settings are finicky things.

[untold vessel]

I wonder why that is, though. Is there a eletrical science explanation to that?

I'd love to learn a bit more

[potent portal]

Not really a scientific reason. I think it's more the combination of firmware on the tv and the drivers on the pc.

[untold vessel]

Also Fal'Cie, just finished that talos principle after you recommended it to me so long ago, and... wow. I'm glad I purchased it

[untold vessel]

Ahhhhh got it now

[potent portal]

Ooh nice, that was one of my favorites. The second one is being made now.

[untold vessel]

There's a #2!?

Woohoo, this is amazing

First I hear about Cyberpunk Orion & now Talos 2

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/UgVQDrfUbq0

[untold vessel]

AND in 2023?!

[potent portal]

If anyone wants to question the nature of existence and what it means to be human, that's the game to play. Or just play for the Portal-esque puzzles.

[cyan ravine]

Same thing

[untold vessel]

Oh neat! Why are they different, options, though?

[potent portal]

Different color encoding, same color space

Technically RGB can get brighter and darker colors

But YCbCr is an industry standard so it's more supported

[cyan ravine]

Much like everything in the technology world, there's 5 ways to describe one thing 💀

[little osprey]

Is it normal for my Ryzen 5 5600x to be at 80⁰C during a game?

I think it's too high

What should I do to reduce the temperature?

[earnest olive]

it's high but fine

if you have a stock cooler that's 100% normal

[little osprey]

It's a cool master

[obsidian wigeon]

Which cooler master?

[little osprey]

Specifically the Cooler Master A71C CPU Air Cooler Anodized Black Aluminum + Copper Core 120mm ARGB Master Fan