building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

wheres the ram waterblock bruh

[paper summit]

And ssd block smh

[vague oracle]

Bro I barely already fit everything into the case

I had to cut out my bottom 360 rad because it wouldn’t fit lmao

[earnest olive]

ram waterblock

[vague oracle]

Won’t fit

[calm heron]

1th Gen i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz, 2496 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor
3060 ti
32 ram 3600mz
are those good for streaming?

[paper summit]

Streaming while gaming isn't as demanding as people think

Yes that will work great

@calm heron

[calm heron]

I'm always having laggy stream with these specs

:/

[paper summit]

That's likely your wifi

Can u search "wifi speed test" in Google and run it for me

[steady canyon]

Hey can someone help me my cpu frequency is dropping and it’s not coming back I recently install a new ssd? Is that what’s making it low

[vague oracle]

I just had a genius idea, I’m vertical mounting my FLT360

[upper condor]

Trying to help my norwegian friend build a PC and needed some advice. what he gave me was:
-1080p mostly gaming
-not much overclocking
-13-14k kroner budget
-needs wifi
i whipped this up fast, but not sure how good it is value wise
https://no.pcpartpicker.com/list/XrhbW4

[earnest olive]

@calm heron what software do you use for streaming

make sure it's using your nvenc encoder and not x264 cpu encode

[calm heron]

i was indeed using x264 with obs

[earnest olive]

change it to h264 nvenc

your problems should disappear

[calm heron]

it did~ although the quality isn't that great

[earnest olive]

I streamed with obs on much weaker hardware and internet problem free

what bitrate?

[calm heron]

6k

[earnest olive]

nvenc needs a bit higher bitrate to look good

set it to 8k if you're on twitch

20k otherwise

[calm heron]

isn't the limit for twitch 6k?

[earnest olive]

output res should stay at 1080p

no it's 8k

[calm heron]

should i check this ?

[earnest olive]

it's not worth streaming any higher res than 1080p with the puny bitrate limit that twitch imposes

6000 is the officially stated limit

but you can go higher

I streamed at 8000 with no issues

[earnest olive]

should be fine

try it out

[calm heron]

and lastly

[earnest olive]

looks good

do you stream 30 or 60 fps

[calm heron]

60

[earnest olive]

quality can be a little lower with 60 fps

it's a tradeoff

[calm heron]

30 fps stream is awful

[earnest olive]

do a test recording at 30 and 60 and see what you think looks better

[calm heron]

i can trade some quality for it

[earnest olive]

fair enough

[calm heron]

Thanks buddy

[earnest olive]

really wish twitch would allow a higher bitrate

10k would be perfect for 1080p60

15k for 1440p60

[calm heron]

small indie company

[earnest olive]

ampere nvenc can certainly handle 15k

I've done 20k on my 1660ti, looks perfect

[calm heron]

sadly their servers can't handle those rates

[stoic island]

Tiny company that definitely can't afford to use more servers

[tawny violet]

6600 for 89k HUF
or
7600 for 122k HUF
or
6700 XT for 158k HUF

I'm leaning towards 6600 initially and upgrade to 6700 XT later

[lucid glade]

Huh

[drifting marten]

yo wtf do I do for a computer, like I got a list of parts but like idk how to build the shi-

[lucid glade]

There should be some guides online

[desert gulch]

Linus tech tips has a good pov video

[dusty cedar]

honestly, its all just plug and play up until you boot up for the very first time. there's almost no way you can f it up. certain plugs only fit in one socket and in only 1 direction. if you can read a book with pictures you can read a manual. building a pc is akin to the worlds easiest lego set.

its like a 6 piece puzzle that's so blatantly obvious a cave man can do it.

excatly, see above. if it fits it sits. it can only go in 1 way.

[desert gulch]

Unless it's pcie in the eps slot 😂

[drifting marten]

you're underestimating my stupidity. lol thanks

[dusty cedar]

i guess on that note, power plugs are labeled for your convenience

[drifting marten]

how do you tell if the parts are compatible with one another, or is it just universally compatible

[dusty cedar]

the only parts that aren't compatible with each other would be amd and intel. you have motherboards that can only support one or the other. if you pick an intel cpu then you need a intel motherboard. the motherboard will always have the socket size in the name. that socket size is only compatible with a cpu that uses that socket.

[viral horizon]

is this cpu good for gaming?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNkWGX/intel-core-i5-13400f-25-ghz-10-core-processor-bx8071513400f

[dusty cedar]

LGA1700 for example on the motherboard. you'll need to look for a cpu compatible with that.

motherboard specs and what it supports is shown on the specs sheet of the website. so for ram, if you have a motherboard that only accepts ddr4, that's what you need to buy. everything else is basically compatible with everything else so long as your motherboard supports it.

your motherboard choice really dictates everything else as far as compatibility goes for components, especially case. you don't wanna buy a full sized atx motherboard and a micro atx case.... for obvious reasons. fans, lights, graphics cards are designed to work with anything.

power supply is a big issue though. you do need to get the right one for your build or you won't have enough power to run your machine. depending what you get, you should be generally safe with a 850w power supply

[viral horizon]

and, just to be safe i also picked out some gaming pc parts

could you check it out just in case?

i have two

the only difference is the power supply

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PYQRZw

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/66J2Xy

[drifting marten]

what is a good budget to have a fairly decent computer

[viral horizon]

and one more thing, would this be a good pc for this price?

[dusty cedar]

depends on what your idea of decent is. maybe 1800 to start

[drifting marten]

so a no on the 4070 ti

[dusty cedar]

someone here can probably do that with 1k

[drifting marten]

mostly gaming

all I know is I want an i9 with a 4070 ti, with atleast 32 gb ram

yeah need a monitor

[viral horizon]

thank you, i just wanted know 👍

[gentle pollen]

I9 vs I5 is only like a 5-10% difference is performance for games.

[viral horizon]

have a nice day sir

[gentle pollen]

Only reason you'd get an I9 would be if you needed extra cores for multi-core workloads which gaming is primarily single core or if you wanted a CPU to try and keep up with an RTX 4090.

[drifting marten]

okay this is very helpful

[dusty cedar]

that generally what people are actually recommending. any reason you're the 1 who isn't?

[drifting marten]

so if I buy the 4090 you're saying I'll be above others

[potent portal]

Only when people insist on burning money

Funny thing is 13900k isn't even the best for gaming any more

[drifting marten]

if I wanted a stupidly over the top pc what would you recommend, if money wasn't a factor

[dusty cedar]

damn this looks so familiar. its like me several months ago.

listen, striaght up. a 3080 is more than enough for anything and paired with a 13700k. you're already above and beyond what most people have and have a stupid fast pc on top of it

everyone here gonna say i5 tbh. and that's not a terrible choice either. but if you're going for more cores = more better thought train then save some money and compromise and get the i7 13700k

[potent portal]

Unless they need Intel for some reason I'd even recommend a 7800X3D since it beats the 13900k in so many things

[flint sapphire]

[potent portal]

And not to mention more than $150 cheaper

[dusty cedar]

for me personally, i grew up around intel so i associate intel with quality and reliability with a name i've known since gateway used to be a thing.

so that's why i went with intel over a brand i've only vaguely heard of

[potent portal]

Brand loyalty basically

[leaden mauve]

I think they fixed that

[potent portal]

Or do because they're cheaper now due to brand damage and the problem is fixed

[dusty cedar]

i guess you could say that. same reason i wanted nvidia because geforce has been around since those days as well so i mean... why go with something and end up not being good with it later down the road

[leaden mauve]

Cool

[dusty cedar]

more people need to do this to nvidia so i can go out and buy a 4090 and sell my 3080

would be epic to have a multi monitor setup for flight sims that look like real life

[potent portal]

@drifting marten I see that deleted message. You want an over the top PC so you can one up your friend.
What did he have that he's claiming is so great? You can probably beat it without spending $4000. Probably closer to $1500.

[dusty cedar]

1800 if you want it to look better than his too cause f him amirite

i spent 2600 on mine for looks and performance. you pay a permium on top of premium for parts that are white

[drifting marten]

uhhh 3090 and a i7 from what I can recall

[potent portal]

You can beat that on a 2k budget easily, including extra shinies

[mossy venture]

13600k and 7900xtx fairly easily in that budget

[potent portal]

yep

13600k does beat the last gen i9

[drifting marten]

boys

make a build and I'll most likely buy it, I ain't know much

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MPBw9r

Fal might make a list too, id take a look at his too

I forgot a motherboard I'm smart

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kw4yv3

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[vague oracle]

“That’s such a good deal! Thanks!”
waits for everything to come in
“How do I build this?”

[jagged ember]

What Lego pieces go where? Can I step on these?

[potent portal]

Ooh pcpp got a facelift

[mossy venture]

How many Lego pieces does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop

[mossy venture]

Yeah I was wondering if it was pcpp as a whole or if I hit some weird setting lol

It looks nice

[autumn gulch]

id probably say research it

wait whats wrong with amd and asus

wasnt it just one cpu that went boom

[potent portal]

No it was the whole line at risk

Asus just had the worst handling of it

[jagged ember]

Like 271 models of Asus mobos are vulnerable

Was it Asus that had the backdoor or

[drifting marten]

nah I'd rather gamble, go click on a random pre-built and what I land on iis what I get

what is the stigma around pre-built anyways

[dusty cedar]

you dont get what you pay for

[drifting marten]

wdym? like they over charge?

[dusty cedar]

they use cheap parts and slap an expensive gpu in it and call it a day while they rake in cash

thats my view on it at least

[drifting marten]

ah so like if I wanted a build I should copy the parts into a list for me to build myself.

[dusty cedar]

they say oh look an i9 and this and that. but that i9 is like a 90 dollar cpu on a 80 dollar motherboard with 40 dollars of ram and a 700 dollar gpu

and you pay like 1500 for it all

also like a 512gb hard drive of the cheapest quality

[autumn gulch]

it’s fun to build it yourself and to choose your own parts, i always hate the decisions they make on parts and their quality

[autumn gulch]

fr but i did see a 3070 ti pc for like 800-850, i was tempted ngl

[drifting marten]

but what if I'm lazy? jk so like this wouldn't be recommended, I should if I want those things make my own custom

[dusty cedar]

you can start with a pre built and then change things later down the road if you wanted to. it's up to whats affordable for you tbh.

[drifting marten]

https://www.newegg.ca/msi-aegis-rs-12nuf-438us/p/N82E16883151237?Item=N82E16883151237&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-151-237-_-06032023 ... so this would be a no go?

nah ill take all the advice you got mate I ain't rich rich but have some throwing cash

[potent portal]

Realized I forgot to give my imput on a list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WBXxnt

[autumn gulch]

i hate the cases they put

[dusty cedar]

you can get that exact pc for less by building it yourself. you're paying for a markup

[potent portal]

The 2k PC I put up completely destroys this one

[autumn gulch]

i mean building it isnt a chore, it actually is fun but choosing the parts isnt difficult unless you looking for some specific thing or overclocks

[dusty cedar]

a markup and a name

[potent portal]

Revo DF 2 is B tier btw

[dusty cedar]

msi sells motherboards by themselves. its what is running my pc now.

[drifting marten]

does it, again I have no clue what half these numbers mean, I'm essentially going "haha shiny go BRR"

[potent portal]

The 7800X3D beats Intel's best current chip in gaming, the 13900k, and the MSI PC has a last gen 12900k. The 7900XTX compares to the 4080, which has a solid lead over the 4070 ti.

[dusty cedar]

so what hes saying is, in comparison to the pc you picked out, "shiny go brrr."

for half the price

[potent portal]

Basically yes

I made sure to pick out lots of shinies

[dusty cedar]

and includes a 2k monitor

or 4k. idk anymore.

[little osprey]

yo
hows this build for around this budget? https://newegg.io/3dbd670

[potent portal]

You can just say 1440p it's less confusing lol

[dusty cedar]

4k used to be 1 thing now its another thing because 2k is a thing now.

[potent portal]

2k is a stupid name because 1080p (1920x1080) is closer to 2000 than 1440p (2560x1440)

[dusty cedar]

1080p used to just be hd and then what came next was 4k and 4k uhd and now there is another thing and they lowered all the standards and changed everything. its become confusing

[potent portal]

Take a look at the build I posted a few posts up, it'll beat this for less money

[dusty cedar]

my tv is a 4k uhd tv by the resolution standards of when it came out but new standards have taken place and is now considered a "2k" tv

[autumn gulch]

yea but that standard 1440p is 2.5K

but by the other one 4K would be what is known as 8K

[potent portal]

It's just marketing names anyway

[autumn gulch]

true

[potent portal]

4k isn't even 4k

It's 3840

[autumn gulch]

it’s pretty close

[little osprey]

can't find it, whend u send it

[potent portal]

.

[mossy venture]

Can easily do 4090 in that budget

[little osprey]

its like anotha $400 👀

[potent portal]

No it's still $2700 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DkVJjZ

[autumn gulch]

[little osprey]

wouldnt the intel be a better option?

[mossy venture]

Pretty similar to the one I made, fals' looks nicer https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qVMRZw

7800x3d beats the 13900k, let alone, 13700k

For gaming anyways

[potent portal]

The 7800X3D beats the 13900k in everything but cs:go, and who really needs more than 400 fps in that game anyway

[mossy venture]

If you're doing productivity, 13700k is a good choice

If you're open to ram tuning, that 5600c28 kit is some of the best for ram tuning within a reasonable price

[drifting marten]

how can I add more storage and ram to this just to be over the top uneeded cuz again haha shiny go brrr

[mossy venture]

64gb is completely pointless for gaming atm

[potent portal]

If you add more memory you'll lose performance

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt go for more ram

^ that too

Storage, simple

Can get a $200 mp34 4tb if you want extra ssd storage

Otherwise 8tb hdds are around $100

Or 4tb around $55-60

[potent portal]

Or just get multiple of the $70 2TB MP33

[mossy venture]

That too

I think on a b650 you could get 3?

[flint sapphire]

or u can get a gen 5 t700 4tb for like $700

[mossy venture]

I would highly recommend against that

[potent portal]

3 M.2 slots on that board yeah

[flint sapphire]

[mossy venture]

Faster storage does not improve gaming experience

[flint sapphire]

.2 sec faster load time tho

[potent portal]

Try zero

[mossy venture]

I figured you were kidding darvan just wanted to clarify for bulldog

[flint sapphire]

alright .02

[drifting marten]

aight I won't change the build except for like storage just Finnair double jt, why does doubling memory diminish performance

I figured higher numbers mean more brrrr

[mossy venture]

More ram means harder to run faster speed

[drifting marten]

ahhh

I see

[potent portal]

Worse sometimes too

[mossy venture]

But unless you're going to have like 3 games open at once 32gb is plenty

[potent portal]

Extra 0.15 seconds to load

[mossy venture]

If you're a very large scale streamer and plan to have a lot open at once an argument could be made for 64gb

[flint sapphire]

i dont see gen 5 in tht photo; fake news

[mossy venture]

I'm using a sata as my boot and main game drive still

[flint sapphire]

i use a couple of sata drives in raid 0 as my mass storage

[mossy venture]

I have a 660p in my system I'm just too lazy to switch it to boot drive and install w11

[potent portal]

Totally valid still, but...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/885523647400390686/1100323030443511818/image.png

[mossy venture]

Oh sata def is a bit slower so that it's noticeable

[dusty cedar]

fake pictures too

[mossy venture]

I'm just lazy

[flint sapphire]

so your saying gen 5 is worth

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt buy a sata drive for a new pc unless its a secondary drive and it's noticeably cheaper than a similar sized ssd

[autumn gulch]

people on hdd’s be like 😭

[mossy venture]

Ie 8tb 870 qvo

[potent portal]

Same, got a couple WD greens so I could turn them into a single volume that's faster than a standard sata drive at least lol

[mossy venture]

Sata ssd not hdd

[autumn gulch]

ik

[potent portal]

Yes get that 1 second better boot time, it'll save whole minutes of your life in the long run

[flint sapphire]

only 700 usd?!

[mossy venture]

I have 3tb of ssd storage chilling on my desk with no way to use it

[dusty cedar]

i have a friend that still uses sata drives. i gotta wait almost 3 minutes for him to load into a game every time. meanwhile, my load times are like lol what loading screen

[flint sapphire]

sata hdd, not ssd for clarification

[potent portal]

Oh I thought you meant a sata dvd

[drifting marten]

now for the real question is that price american or Canadian

[potent portal]

Do you need it to be canadian? I could make a list for CAD

[autumn gulch]

dang not even sata ssd

[drifting marten]

well I was just curious since I'm Canadian and wanted to see if it's sthe right part

[autumn gulch]

i bought a sata ssd like last year thinking it was better deal than nvme but it was cheaper at the time

[dusty cedar]

the parts will be right. the price will be different

[potent portal]

Ah, I can convert the list to CA no problem, give me a minute

[autumn gulch]

idk how good it is compared to most sata ssds

[potent portal]

Different deals in different countries

[autumn gulch]

crucial mx500

[dusty cedar]

idk i have a 2tb 980 pro and before that i had the 1tb 970 evo

both are really fast. i'll never look at anything that isnt ssd and nvme m.2 again and think its a good deal no matter if it were free or not

[potent portal]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6QFzBj

Slightly different parts to take advantage of different deals in maple syrup land, same performance

[mossy venture]

I second that aside from case

From vuugo, they charge absurd shipping costs

[potent portal]

Oh do they? I wasn't aware

[mossy venture]

Yeah they're a crappy site

I wouldnt buy anything from them

I'd do https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/CrzhP6/lian-li-lancool-205-mesh-c-atx-mid-tower-case-g99oe764cx00am
Or https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jD92FT/fractal-design-focus-2-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-foc2a-03

4000d airflow also decent price, just no rgb

There's some other good options around $120 too

[autumn gulch]

speaking of sketchy websites i got a question about one

so i saw this 32 gb 4400mhz kit for 80

[mossy venture]

Usd?

[autumn gulch]

but the listing talks about how it’s good for 6/7th gen , and same for other kits, is it outdated website or

[autumn gulch]

£

[mossy venture]

Can you dm the link to me?

[autumn gulch]

it’s called memoryC

yea sure

[mossy venture]

Oh memoryc is a good site, I can double check the listing tho

[potent portal]

Oh I've heard of them, they're legit probably just outdated, unless it's a third party seller

[autumn gulch]

yea strange of them to talk about 6th gen

[autumn gulch]

https://www.memoryc.com/41771-32gb-g-skill-ddr4-pc4-35200-4400mhz-ripjaws-v-cl19-dual-channel-kit-2x16gb-1-50v.html

at that price i would buy it, especially that speed

[mossy venture]

Looks fine, just not as good a sale as it looks

[potent portal]

Yeah they probably just have been copy/pasting listings for a while and changing relevant details

[autumn gulch]

wait isnt 4400mhz one of the best ddr4 speeds

[mossy venture]

It's 4400c19, which is not as great as it sounds. Especially if you're on a cpu that won't handle that fast of ram

[autumn gulch]

i have a 12700K i bought semi recently

[mossy venture]

12700k might be able to do 4400 with some tuning, im not sure

[potent portal]

4000+ usually comes with compromises, like having to run in gear 2 which adds a latency penalty

[autumn gulch]

i think it should be enough since 10900K did 4400mhz easily and this is better

[autumn gulch]

oh i was thinking gear 1

[mossy venture]

If you bought it I'd manually set it to 3800c14 if it can do it, if not c16

[drifting marten]

so the new list is the same except for the case needs to be changed?

[potent portal]

That's where you're wrong, the 12th/13th gen DDR4 IMC is actually worse than the 11th gen

[mossy venture]

I doubt it would though, 4400c19 doesn't sound like b die

[autumn gulch]

i only have the 12700K, havent bought the ram yet

[mossy venture]

Yeah I linked two options

[mossy venture]

Do you have the mobo yet?

[autumn gulch]

wait what

[autumn gulch]

nope , i could go ddr5

[mossy venture]

Then I would, 80 pound ddr5 kits are decent

One sec

[autumn gulch]

if it’s the better option

idm if its like 120

[potent portal]

Look how all the top frequency listings are using an 11900k still https://hwbot.org/benchmark/memory_frequency/rankings?cores=0&hardwareTypeId=memory_160#start=0#interval=20

[autumn gulch]

so 10th gen and 11th gen are better for ram oc

would 12th gen be equal to like ocing ram on a 9900K

or like 8700K

[potent portal]

Yes so 11th can run those 4000+ speeds easier without running CR2 Gear 2

[mossy venture]

14 pound more https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Pqt9TW/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl36-memory-flbd532g5600hc36bdc01

[autumn gulch]

it’s faster than 3600mhz right

[mossy venture]

If you don't need wifi, mobo
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/tGmmP6/asrock-b760m-pg-riptide-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-pg-riptide

[autumn gulch]

oh i want to oc the cpu and take advantage of the K

[mossy venture]

And yes it is

[potent portal]

Any DDR5 more than 4800 speed will beat all but the best DDR4

[autumn gulch]

want to get 5.1ghz

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/K9Fbt6/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi

[autumn gulch]

i had the gaming edge or mpg carbon in mind but this is also good

[drifting marten]

it's yelling incompatible at me when i changed thr case. halp

[dusty cedar]

match a case thats compatible with the motherboard size

[autumn gulch]

whats near the max for ddr5 on 12th gen like 6800mhz?

[potent portal]

What message exactly? Because it probably just needs a bios update when you get it which you can do without even turning on the pc

[autumn gulch]

yea i havent looked at cases yet

[mossy venture]

Would probably struggle at 6000mhz+

[potent portal]

The max max or stable max?

[autumn gulch]

stable probably

like 6000cl30?

[potent portal]

6400-6600 c32 would be fine, assuming 2x16GB sticks

Any more than that gets tricky

[autumn gulch]

yea i definitely dont need more than 32

[mossy venture]

If you dont want to ram tune https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/x4VmP6/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k

[autumn gulch]

these look good

[mossy venture]

If you do https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/4bPQzy/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5k

[autumn gulch]

since 4400mhz seems a bit harder to oc on 12th gen

i have seen a few people on reddit do it, but it’s all silicon lottery

[potent portal]

13th gen randomly getting a single error after 72 hours of testing at 7200 be like

[mossy venture]

Me running 3200c16 with a 13600k

And its Rev e

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-snail-slow-down-turtle-alive-gif-5570651

[autumn gulch]

but listing and site is legit though, not a scam

[mossy venture]

Mhm

[autumn gulch]

cause they have ddr5 on there too

good deals

[mossy venture]

I'd go for one of the kits I linked, unless you find faster/lower timings for cheaper

Pcpartpicker searches memoryc as well as plenty of other online retailers

[autumn gulch]

yea i’ll take a look tmrw, usually 6000mhz or around there is good

[mossy venture]

Are you going to ram oc?

[autumn gulch]

is it called expo or xmp

[mossy venture]

If so that 5600c28 kit is the best you'll find

[autumn gulch]

probably xmp , i might do a small oc

[mossy venture]

Skill issue tbh

[mossy venture]

If a small oc then that 6000c30 kit I linked would be a good choice

If you plan to get really into it, 5600c28

[autumn gulch]

oh i might go for that then

i’ll have to look at tutorials for it, to see what voltages and values to put

[potent portal]

Growing pains on the new platform

[autumn gulch]

i might pair the 12700K with the rtx 2080 ti

[mossy venture]

If you're buying new, don't go anything older than 30 series/6000 series

If you already own it or find a good deal used go for it

[autumn gulch]

i mean i found someone that got a new 2080 ti

[potent portal]

You can find a 6750 XT new for cheaper than you can find a used 2080 ti

[autumn gulch]

not too expensive he wants like 450 or 460 iirc

[mossy venture]

That's not well priced

[autumn gulch]

i mean it is from a brand that doesnt exist anymore for gpus 😔

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jmt9TW/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-speedster-swft-319-video-card-rx-68xtaqfd9

[autumn gulch]

evga 🤘

[potent portal]

That makes it a worse deal, not better

[autumn gulch]

it’s a fresh card though hasnt even been plugged in

[potent portal]

Good luck getting warranty support

[mossy venture]

2080 ti matches a 3070

[flint sapphire]

My evga 750ti 👀

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/nv2WGX/asus-geforce-rtx-3070-lhr-8-gb-dual-oc-v2-video-card-dual-rtx3070-o8g-v2

[autumn gulch]

i think the warranty of the original gpu was that new card

[mossy venture]

3070 is cheaper

[autumn gulch]

they got it cause gpu beyond repair

[autumn gulch]

ik but the vram

[potent portal]

That's why I recommended a 6750

[mossy venture]

6800xt has more vram

At 500 pounds new

[autumn gulch]

ooh mb

[mossy venture]

And matches a 3090 at times

[autumn gulch]

ngl 600 for 6950xt looks better

[potent portal]

It is, great deal

[autumn gulch]

580 at times it goes to, pretty good price

[mossy venture]

Lmao

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FgxRsY/xfx-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-speedster-merc-319-black-video-card-rx-69xtatbd9

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kFRYcf/amd-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-video-card-100-438416

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-not-sorry-sorry-not-sorry-not-even-sorry-joey-tribbiani-gif-17033849

[autumn gulch]

for 15 more id go with the 6950

[mossy venture]

Me too

[potent portal]

Yep just needs a bios update

It has flashback so that's a non-issue

[drifting marten]

what day mean

[potent portal]

If you do get a board that needs to be updated you just copy the update file to a flash drive, plug it in, and press the flash button. No need to turn on the PC or even install the CPU beforehand.

All it needs is power connected.

[drifting marten]

so it's okay all I need is a flash drive with the update file on it, now how does one get the update file

[potent portal]

It's on the MSI website

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B650-P-WIFI/support

Ooh nice one of the newer bios versions supports the new 24GB and 48GB memory sticks

[drifting marten]

cool so all I do it plug the flash drive in and it fixes it

[potent portal]

Yep. The exact procedure is detailed in the manual.

Page 54 specifically

[lucid glade]

I like how some really useful features are way more common now

Built in mobo I mean

Like wifi and bios flashback

Like now I think literally all am5 boards have it built in

[potent portal]

While other useful features are nonexistent except on the high end like a debug code display

[lucid glade]

I mean yea but I think asrocks working to move that

So maybe it will encourage others

[potent portal]

That and outlets like HUB calling them out on it

[lucid glade]

I have a few x58 boards that use it to display CPU temp after boot but it ends up being super off lol

[earnest olive]

I had an msi z170 that did the same but was accurate

an asus z87 that just left it at A0 forever

and an asrock b550 that just turned it off after boot

[analog hearth]

does anybody here have experience undervolting Intel 12th/13th gen CPUs? I know my CPU will be different from anybody else’s but I was wondering what’s the lowest (and stable) voltage y’all have

[earnest olive]

i haven't undervolted mine, but you should try lite load undervolting (that's what it's called on msi, not sure if it's different for other manufacturers)

heard that's what people use now rather than voltage offsets

[analog hearth]

I have an Asus board

[earnest olive]

well, you can look for it

it's related to AC/DC loadline

[analog hearth]

not sure if that matters or if they have their own setting

[earnest olive]

doesn't seem like asus has an equivalent

in any case, it's just an abstraction layer over AC/DC loadline settings which every board should have

lite load 9 should be 50 milliohms on each

so you can try finding your AC/DC loadline settings

start at 50/50 and just work your way down

[analog hearth]

bet thanks

[earnest olive]

I'm honestly not sure what makes it better than static offset when clock speed is fixed but there's gotta be some merit to it with how everyone's using it now I guess

work your way down in intervals of 10, then you can finetune it from there

like if 30/30 is stable and 20/20 isn't then try 25/25, etc.

there's absolutely nothing wrong with running 1/1 if it's stable

i run 1/1 on my laptop

[obsidian wigeon]

Huh that's a new way to uv

All I know is voltage offset and keep adding to minus offset until it stops being stable, then fine tune from there

[earnest olive]

apparently people have been doing it this way since 9th gen

my laptop is 11th

[obsidian wigeon]

Hmm

I run haswell so I'm still a lot of gens behind

[vague oracle]

I’m running 1/1 on my 13900k and it’s working pretty well

But I also only have 4 of my main cores undervolted

[obsidian wigeon]

This is easier than offset it seems

[vague oracle]

I use both offsets and AC/DC load lines

[earnest olive]

yeah i was about to say

if you can run 1/1 you can probably keep going further using offsets

but some worse samples won't run 1/1

on my laptop i run 1/1 with an additional -30mv offset

[vague oracle]

I’m at -50mV

[obsidian wigeon]

Ah, so you can actually use two in tandem

That's even better

[earnest olive]

my understanding is limited but i believe it messes with VRM output voltage relative to VID instead of just setting a static voltage

you can think of it as something similar to all-core curve optimizer for ryzen

[obsidian wigeon]

I can also set dynamic offset for haswell though

[earnest olive]

i'm aware

[obsidian wigeon]

I don't wanna set fixed cuz I honestly dunno which is safe anyway

[earnest olive]

like i said, i'm not entirely sure what makes this preferable over offsets

[obsidian wigeon]

Fair

[earnest olive]

i think it's just more granular control than offsets

it corresponds to some resistance somewhere in the vrm

all I know for certain is that lowering it is undervolting and raising it is overvolting

maybe I'll understand more when I start taking EE classes lol

my school has a requirement for engineering majors to take 3 classes from a different engineering discipline for breadth

most cs majors choose the easiest one which is like business tech management or something?? idk, I'm choosing EE cause computers cool, we'll find out if that's a mistake or not next year

[vague oracle]

Mistake

One of the hardest engineerings out there

[tawny violet]

interesting PSU I found
Kolink Enclave 500w
Anyone with experience?

seems to be a B tier 500w

should sustain a Ryzen 7600 and an RX 6600

[mossy venture]

Could be diff country

[mossy venture]

True

[stoic island]

Blackhole is talking about Hungary

It'll work if it's cheap

[lucid glade]

About how much can you lap a 7000 series die before you hit the actual structure?

Is there any data on that yet?

[potent portal]

About 3.7mm

[stoic island]

How'd you know?

[vague oracle]

Which one of these y’all think looks better? I can’t tell which one I like more

[stoic island]

true

[stoic island]

I say normal mount looks better, show off the mobo

[gentle pollen]

If your mounting the gpu horizontally use the left one. If vertically use the right one.

[cyan ravine]

Flat

[vague oracle]

Yeah, went for flat

Going to shorten the tube a bit, but that’s the plan for now

[lucid glade]

2nd for sure

Also leaves more room for dtuff

Those bends are looking nice

[vast kiln]

looking for somebody who knows alot about pcs to estimate performance on valorant on this build i just got hmu, it hasn’t come yet and im excited

[languid nimbus]

^ read above message

[untold vessel]

Any Recs on the best thermal paste? I'm pulling the trigger on the $47 thermaltake AIO in #tech-deals

[potent portal]

It'll come with paste. Better paste will only get you maybe 2-4 degrees improvement.

MX4 is the value pick yeah

[stoic island]

Nt-h2 my beloved

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/chow-yun-fat-a-better-tomorrow-john-woo-burning-money-smoking-gif-23868665

[stoic island]

Just use preapplied paste until you remount

[stoic island]

Where's the cleaning wipes with mx4 smh

[potent portal]

By the time the stock paste dries enough to need to be replaced, that extra couple degrees from better paste will balance out any performance loss

[fossil cedar]

Just use stock paste tbh

[untold vessel]

Next Up: Finally purchasing a reliable 4k120hz Cable that doesn't cut out. Heard of RUIPRO from many sources, but was given another recommendation by @potent portal.

Noticed these two have huge price differentials. Any signifgant changes?

RUIPRO: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081SHJJ3C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A1W38LIN57HDN1&th=1

@potent portal: https://www.amazon.com/BIFALE-Support-Ultra-high-Compatible-Projector/dp/B09J4GCY74?th=1

[untold vessel]

More on this, I decided on an AIO because my 11400F is hitting 132 while running Max settings Cyberpunk, and it's worrying me.

[potent portal]

Is that 132F?

[untold vessel]

Will an AIO fix this problem? (I have the CPU version of "XMP" enabled, whatever it's called)

[potent portal]

Is that farenheit or celsius?

[untold vessel]

Unsure; Running game now

[paper summit]

U BEST HOPE THATS FARENHEIT

Lmaooo

[potent portal]

I really hope it's F or else that PC is about to need a F in chat

[paper summit]

💀💀

I dont think it would let it get that hot anyway

[potent portal]

It shouldn't but it's possible in the wrong circumstances

[paper summit]

Also that would be a really sad air cooler

[untold vessel]

GOOD LORD

F, THANK GOD

But now it's hitting 150F

worries necessary I'm deducing

[potent portal]

Ok so 132F about equals 56C, which is perfectly fine

[untold vessel]

Oh fr?

[potent portal]

150F = 66C

[untold vessel]

66c is okay?

[potent portal]

You're good up to about 90C

[untold vessel]

Really?!

Thank God

Wasn't looking forward to spending $50 of GPU savings

Alright, Fiber Optic 8k Wire next, then. We have a nicer budget

[untold vessel]

Which one do you think I should get, Fal'Cie?

[potent portal]

There's no significant difference between the two that I see

Besides price ofc

It's funny that the ruipro says it supports the 4090 when the 4090 only supports 4k60 over hdmi lol

Don't know what nvidia was thinking only putting a HDMI 2.0 port on that thing

Wait no I got that mixed up

They only put DP 1.4 instead of 2.0

HDMI is 2.1

[untold vessel]

Cheaper it is, then?

[untold vessel]

Also, do you know why my standard hdmi cord keeps cutting out? It’s an HDMI certified Best Buy 2.1

[potent portal]

How long is it?

[untold vessel]

6’

[potent portal]

Is it a 48Gb rated 2.1 or 20Gb "2.1"

If you don't know I'll take a link to it and find out

[untold vessel]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/best-buy-essentials-6-8k-ultra-high-speed-hdmi-2-1-certified-cable-black/6489491.p?skuId=6489491

[untold vessel]

48 according to specs, I believe. It keeps cutting out the moment I go even 1hz over 60hz, and cuts out even more & forr longer bursts whenever I enable HDR

[untold vessel]

Maybe if we solve this I won't even have to buy the new Fiber Cable

[potent portal]

I've seen cables that claim to be 48 but can't actually do it

I'm looking for more than just a random reviewer saying "it reports 48"

[potent portal]

I don't see anything more reliable than random product reviewers, which can easily be faked or bought

[untold vessel]

Most unfortunately. BIFALE cable it is?

[potent portal]

It really sounds like it's a lower quality cable than advertised. Was this purchased in store or online?

If you bought it in store then you're kinda out of luck but if you bought it online you can say they sent you the wrong cable and try to get another

Either way I'd be emailing LTT to see if they want to test the cable because it very much sounds like it's not meeting some part of the spec

[untold vessel]

Online

[untold vessel]

Oh God I didn't even think of that

[untold vessel]

This is genius too!

[viral horizon]

so i have a question for the build i set up

would this be a good cpu for gaming in general? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNkWGX/intel-core-i5-13400f-25-ghz-10-core-processor-bx8071513400f

[potent portal]

Yep

[viral horizon]

ok thank you

[untold vessel]

Great Prices right now aswell, I'd say. What games & Resolution are you planning on?

[viral horizon]

resolution would probably be 1080p, and i want to play mainly paradox games

like hoi4, victoria II, and more

[stoic island]

Yea it'll do pretty well

Paradox games just care about single core perf on like 4 cores

[vast kiln]

RTX 3050 , i5 12th gen, 16 gb DDR4, 1TB Nvme Ssd

[vague oracle]

You’ll get at least 1fps

[viral horizon]

yeah, like i wanna play hoi4 again but with way better performance like with mods like kr, tno, twr, etc.

[vast kiln]

ik its not good but im a student and im poor so i had to be reasonable and i got a good deal on it so

[mossy venture]

have you alredy bought it?

[vast kiln]

yes

[mossy venture]

I'd assume around 144 max settings, valorant is pretty easy to run

assuming it's a pc, not a laptop

[vast kiln]

yeah its a pc

hopefully on low graphics it can hold a stable 165 bc i got a nice 165 hz monitor along with the pc

[weary galleon]

You can probably get 165fps on medium settings, maybe even some stuff on high

(assuming you're at 1080p)

[stoic island]

Oh hey another tno gamer?

It'll work pretty well, although do keep in mind hoi4 isn't exactly well optimized, bad mods still will run badly

[viral horizon]

well i dont play tno, it never ran that well on my laptop, so i cant wait to try it out

[stoic island]

Tno has really good story telling, a lot of submods too

[viral horizon]

yeah

i also cant wait to play kr

and some other new mods like extremis ultimis

i just hope i can make at least 700-1000 this summer tho

so that i can use my birthday budget and chirstmas budget on it

and then get my pc

[stoic island]

Yea that should be pretty nice

[stoic island]

What are you looking at for total budget?

[viral horizon]

1500

i already have a pc picked out

you can see the build if you want

[stoic island]

I can take a look

[viral horizon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[earnest olive]

💀

you gotta send the link at the top of the list

this is just pcpartpicker

like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CrRBNc

[vast kiln]

awesome!!!

yeah i have a certain setting regiment that made the game look smooth on my old pc which was horrible to a point i cant stress enough

so im sure those same settings will look great on my new one i just wanted to ask since the people in here know a lot more than me

[acoustic palm]

Hi All, I have a build on newegg and I want to check the parts for compatibility. anyone have a good website? I have been going to the individual manufactures websites and it takes forever.

[worn wave]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[acoustic palm]

Thank you!

that site never came up with google 😦

[mossy venture]

could you link the build here once you have everything put in?

we could give opinions and recommendations

[acoustic palm]

👍

intermediate gaming build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RjkL6r

wow that's a nice website

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KVvKyK

Changed a few things

Got rid of the 7600X since it has the same performance as a 7600 just with minimal extra clocks

Swapped the RAM kit as well since it was most likely Samsung

Put in a kit with guaranteed Hynix

Changed the SSD for something much cheaper but still holds it's worth

Changed the PSU too, 750 watts still leaves a bit of wiggle room for upgrades

Changed the cooler as well, the one you had in there was ancient

Opted for a cheaper board as well but still has wifi

And yeah

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt do this either but it is better

[little osprey]

Hm?

[mossy venture]

what resolution is your monitor?

[little osprey]

Ooooh, the GPU

I didn't touch that

[acoustic palm]

I can change the ps also to cheaper and still have same wattage -thank you very much-monitor is a 1080p

[little osprey]

I mainly just tried to save money with still keeping the general idea of the build

[little osprey]

Would you mind getting a used GPU?

That would give you a few more options for some decent cards

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cCxrzf

I'd do that

[acoustic palm]

Thank you!

[mossy venture]

the gpu is def overkill for 1080p, but leaves room to upgrade monitor down the line if you'd like to

[acoustic palm]

Your absolutely right you'r - the wife has to ok the cash I spend on a new computer lol. I will most likely upgrade my monitor later.

and 1200 bucks is over the limit lol

anyways thanks for your help - I will keep looking. I'm going to put together a intel build next.

[mossy venture]

I'd go 13400f, 12600k, or 13600kf then

[paper summit]

Oh my lol

Imagine using up a whole 16x slot for 1 ssd

[obsidian wigeon]

I mean it has cutouts

Can occupy any pcie slot sizes

[paper summit]

Yeah, I see

Thats why I said imagine lol

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-eye-bleach-gif-11574607

[unique rapids]

Arctic vs be quite case fans? Which is more reliable?

[obsidian wigeon]

Reliability wise they're both good

[unique rapids]

I see.

[obsidian wigeon]

But value wise arctic hits it in the right spot

[unique rapids]

I just want to replace my third fan.

[obsidian wigeon]

Like P12 and P14

[unique rapids]

sounds like a blender currently

[obsidian wigeon]

Ignore the bionix models though

[unique rapids]

nzxt fan that came with the case

I see. I will look for the lp12 and p14

thanks

[lucid glade]

Nobody can give you an answer to that without internal failure data

But arctic is good value and be quiet fans are kinda a bad joke for their price imo

They make one fan that's okay but it's even more overpriced

[potent portal]

Silent Wings 3 and Light Wings (RGB) are good but not worth $30+ EACH lol

[cyan ravine]

You could buy several arctic P fans for the price of a decent be quiet fan so that should make the decision fairly easy even with reliability discounted (they're reliable tho lol)

[potent portal]

Right, even if you have to buy 4 P12 fans it's still cheaper than 1 Silent Wings

Not that it'll ever happen that way lol

[unique rapids]

I dont see any reason why you would choose arctic f12 case fan over a p12. The p12 technically has lower consumption and better airflow, they have the same noise level with the f12 and price is almost the same.

I have read using a static pressure specific case fan as a regular air flow case fan is just the same. So I dont see the reason why some would choose the f12. I could be missing something.Does anyone have a take on this?

[potent portal]

The F12 is an older model, made before the P12. The P12 is a F12 with improved pressure and a better bearing, which is what gets the lower noise and power draw.

[unique rapids]

I see. So thats probably the reason.

thanks.

[honest timber]

does this build look good? any recommendations? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8qGfJM
for gaming

[cyan ravine]

This instead.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hZ6Xgb
Cheaper, faster, and white

[flint sapphire]

cheaper even with white paint tax?!

[fossil cedar]

You can do cheaperer with not white tho

[fossil cedar]

Also isn't 6000mhz better on ryzen because of fclk

[fossil cedar]

Id do this (nicer case that felixs) could also get white ram and the se 214xt cooler etc if you wanted a white build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fqq4Kp

[potent portal]

Apparently this is no longer true. You don't need to sync fclk, you just push fclk as high as possible and memory as high as possible.

Besides any kit of 5600 can easily overclock to 6000

[fossil cedar]

Okay cool

[cyan ravine]

You saved 7$

Air 100 is good case stop

[cyan ravine]

True

[fossil cedar]

It's decent i like the ck560 more tho could go with that

[cyan ravine]

I like deepcool too but give bae a chance

[fossil cedar]

[cyan ravine]

Also air 100 is one of those few good value matx cases

For that matx+matx case experience

(cos people for some reason care)

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but matx = choky gpu

[cyan ravine]

Is fine

Not thicc enough

You get like 5 slots on mATX and it's a 3 slot card lol

[fossil cedar]

Oh really?

I thought you got like 4

[cyan ravine]

Ye look 5 slots thick (only 4 slots customisable)

Also 4 fans and mesh

Hinge glass door too

[fossil cedar]

I see

[cyan ravine]

Plenty room up top for aio

Is good case

[fossil cedar]

Okie oki

[cyan ravine]

No I need to tell you more

All this for cougar mx-331 air price

And white or blacc

[fossil cedar]

Id probs do this then
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qcxGW4

Meknows the price good

[cyan ravine]

Pog

Wait

Dis ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

[fossil cedar]

Oh ya i missed that one

[fossil cedar]

Id do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3H3bFg

[untold vessel]

Guys, just realized that the price differential between the 50ft and the 100ft isn't that bad. I might spend a bit more and get double the length for any future need. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0831C2B44/ref=twister_B0C1NTC6M1?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

One important question, though: With Fiber Optic Cables, is signal weakened or lost over longer distances, just like regular HDMI cords? ; Would I be doing myself more of a disservice rather than future-proofing by purchasing the 100ft varient?

[jagged ember]

That's how all signals work, but at 100ft you'll still be fine

[untold vessel]

@cyan ravine

[jagged ember]

The maximum distance for most optical fiber is like, 100km or something

Stupid far lmao

[untold vessel]

Could you go into the science on why signal degradation is less severe when using Fiber Optic?

I love learning about this stuff

[jagged ember]

Fiber optics uses light undergoing total internal refraction

Light isn't affected by electromagnetic interference, unlike copper cables

Therefore it degrades a lot less comparatively

Though it still does degrade as it's still traveling through matter

Same way light slowly becomes infrared the farther it travels in space

Sort of

[untold vessel]

Oh my, this is incredible! So, to summarize, with Regular HDMI cables, the difference between 50ft & 100ft can mean extreme signal cuts every couple seconds, while with two Fiber Optic cables with the same length difference would perform exactly the same?

[jagged ember]

For more details I'll defer to Google lol

[jagged ember]

Copper 100ft HDMI is probably a lot of interference yeah

You'd need a signal repeater in between

Optical HDMI 50 vs 100ft they're effectively identical

Just don't bend em 180 degrees

[untold vessel]

Hold on, 180 degrees?

[untold vessel]

Wait, you mean a U-Turn?

[untold vessel]

To put it in different terms I guess lmao

[jagged ember]

Yeah don't tie a knot or whatever lol

Like it's durable enough, but don't bend it at extreme angles

Oh I double checked btw, theoretical max for HDMI optical is 164ft

So 100ft is fine

[untold vessel]

Are multiple 90 degree right angles okay? This wire will be going through exactly 10 of them

[jagged ember]

Yeah, should be fine

Just don't make those bends sharp ones

[untold vessel]

Thank you so much, seriously

[untold vessel]

Oh shoot

[untold vessel]

Ah

Ah okay

[jagged ember]

This is what I mean, don't do that with your cable

[untold vessel]

Hold on, then what can I do?

That turn is exactly what I'm planning

[jagged ember]

Hm

Just give it some curvature

[jagged ember]

Yeah

[untold vessel]

Would this be safe?

[jagged ember]

Yeah should be fine

[little osprey]

Very nice drawing LMAO

[untold vessel]

For reference the bed and dresser share a wall on the left, pressed up against it

[gentle pollen]

Back pain.

[manic mango]

Maybe you need a new back

[gentle pollen]

Nahh I need a new heart and eyes first.

Glaucoma is a ***

[little osprey]

Any notable CPU’s on LGA 2011?

[leaden mauve]

Bruh.

[little osprey]

Pure curiosity

[leaden mauve]

im not recommending you buy this- you shouldnt, but it's still cool
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185103424742?

[jagged hill]

i got my handheld up and running with the correct fan position

[cyan ravine]

I have a DP version of one of their cables at 30ft, they're great, just treat them with care, don't kink them, be gentle

They last

[little osprey]

Dual CPU's and eight DIMM slots

Interesting

Actually tempting TBH

[leaden mauve]

24 dimm slots

3DPC

[austere condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mFYgRv

just double checking im not missing something vital here with some part deal or a specific thing idk about one of the exact components.

$2400 budget, gaming focused but a well rounded system for potential content creation

oh shoot, a contact frame, gotta add that

other option would be a 4080 but no vertical mount

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/km7Xgb

[cyan ravine]

This + BZ easy timings + eco mode on CPU:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xM6878

This psu instead and stretch budget if worried about psu spec (it's fine but I'll put it anyway)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DKw7YJ/phanteks-revolt-pro-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p850gc

[mossy venture]

Looks excellent

[mossy venture]

5600c46?

Is it hynix, or mistake?

[cyan ravine]

It's hynix

Confirmed by ggood

But the xmp sucks hence bz easy timings

It's hynix A in fact

[mossy venture]

Pog

[compact hatch]

Anyone know the best graphics card for $500 or lower?

[cyan ravine]

6800XT Asrock Phantom Gaming

$499 on Newegg rn iirc

[cyan ravine]

Yeah here you go
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049

[paper summit]

hey hey felix

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx6900xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930052R?Item=N82E16814930052R&Description=6900xt&cm_re=6900xt-_-14-930-052R-_-Product&quicklink=true

[cyan ravine]

Dang

But also it's over 500

So u lose

[paper summit]

ocf is 500 but out of stock 😭

[potent portal]

Probably never comes back in stock too

[paper summit]

They dont have anymore to replenish do they

yeah

[little osprey]

WHAT

[cyan ravine]

6900xt at 500 is just an insult to nvidia

[potent portal]

It's about time for AMD to launch the next gen model that gets the same performance for the same price

[paper summit]

Will they tho?

[potent portal]

They have to at some point

[paper summit]

hmm

[cyan ravine]

Maybe they won't

And just keep doing this

💀

[paper summit]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx6900xt-lc-16go/p/N82E16814930086R?Item=N82E16814930086R&Description=6900xt&cm_re=6900xt-_-14-930-086R-_-Product&quicklink=true
LOL I forgot about this stupid thing

prob runs warmer than an air cooled card

[cyan ravine]

It does

[potent portal]

120mm AIO 💀

[cyan ravine]

It's coolfunny

Brutus has one iirc

[paper summit]

ofc he does

[cyan ravine]

Yes he's the funny tech man

[paper summit]

Fr

[little osprey]

I forgot what I was gonna say

Something something dual CPU server and cheap

I can't remember

[paper summit]

FELIX

FELIXXXX

[cyan ravine]

What

[paper summit]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx6950xt-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930088?Description=6950xt&cm_re=6950xt-_-14-930-088-_-Product&quicklink=true
IVE GOTTA BE MISSING SOMETHING

[cyan ravine]

Stop yelling

[paper summit]

NAH

NVIDIA IS DONE LMAO

[little osprey]

HOLD UP THAT'S IN STOCK

[cyan ravine]

That's been there for like 2 months bro

[potent portal]

Where have you been, it's been that price for a long time lol

[paper summit]

OHHHH

[cyan ravine]

Ya

[paper summit]

I read it wrong

[cyan ravine]

Good morning and happy birthday 🎈

[potent portal]

I saw it dip under $600

[cyan ravine]

💀

[paper summit]

I thought it was the same as the 6900xt

LMAO

Thats why I was yelling

💀

[cyan ravine]

It's even better, 6950xt

[potent portal]

Well, it's better memory at least

[paper summit]

No I mean I read it as 530 for some forsaken reason

[cyan ravine]

Better memory and oc unlock

3090ti stonks

$600

[paper summit]

wym oc unlock

[cyan ravine]

They unlocked the sliders on the 6950

So you aren't softlocked by drivers

[paper summit]

The 6900xt is locked?

or can u just not push it far

[cyan ravine]

Can't push some of them all the way

[little osprey]

Perfact match for my G300A

And cheaper than RM750e

Taking that, thank you

[cyan ravine]

Okie

[paper summit]

3080s are still 700s

[little osprey]

Cringe

Nvidia mid

[paper summit]

Imagine not buying one when they were 400 at bestbuy

[potent portal]

When was that? The 3060 ti was $400

[paper summit]

Back in February

https://www.dexerto.com/tech/you-can-now-get-an-rtx-3080-for-under-500-at-best-buy-2062021/

[potent portal]

Insane, what a deal

[paper summit]

fr

[vague oracle]

…I’ve been telling you about this for ages now

[paper summit]

Read

[vague oracle]

Nah

[paper summit]

I thought it said 530 cause I glanced at it

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[vague oracle]

k.

[paper summit]

Basic white girl type 💩

[vague oracle]

From one white girl to another white girl

[paper summit]

Real

you're polish tho

[tawny violet]

How can I find out what dies a particular memory kit uses?

[potent portal]

Thaiphoon burner can give a guess

Or if it's a g.skill, corsair, or another brand that has codes on the label you can decode that

[gentle pollen]

Or if your lucky enough if the ram has flat timings then you know exactly what it is. B-die assuming your on DDR4.

[potent portal]

Or if you're unlucky it's a 3200 c16 kit which could be literally anything

[leaden mauve]

Dont rely on Thaiphoon burner to be honest. It's best to ask others more familiar with identifying ICs & learning how to identify them yourself. Thaiphoon burner is pretty unreliable

[leaden mauve]

which kit were you wondering about specifically

[potent portal]

That's why I said thaiphoon would give a guess lol

[leaden mauve]

a bad guess

[potent portal]

Eh, it gets the brand right usually

[leaden mauve]

that isnt worth much

[potent portal]

And you can make a guess from there, at least to be able to tell if it's worth overclocking

[untold vessel]

will do!

[leaden mauve]

Not really. Different DRAM ICs of the same brand can have very different OC characteristics

best to actually cross-reference with version number, serial, etc./looking at the actual IC.

[potent portal]

Right, and you make your guess based on brand, timings, and bin

[leaden mauve]

no I dont

[potent portal]

Yeah a delid is the surefire way to tell

[frigid night]

https://tenor.com/view/karen-karening-intensifies-done-i-am-done-gif-16742218

[leaden mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc5-gif-14000810

[frigid night]

[tawny violet]

It's a Kingston Fury DDR5-5600 non-RGB

[potent portal]

What timings

[tawny violet]

Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 5600MHz CL40 2×8 GB KF556C40BBK2-16

[leaden mauve]

post a picture of the label

[potent portal]

It's samsung

Straight 40s

[stoic island]

Kingston usually doesn't use Samsung, good chance it's hynix

[leaden mauve]

(posting a picture of the label will give a clearer answer lol)

[austere condor]

yeah, id have to keep the specific aesthetic though

[cyan ravine]

Black/white was my goal there lol

[austere condor]

customer wants this PC

but i cant ship that

so im trying to build something aesthetically similar

so these are my case options

for something thats actually shippable

[frigid night]

There is no way at all to ship it?

[austere condor]

Hyte Y40 / Y60
Lian Li O11-Dynamic Evo
or H9 flow

[austere condor]

nope, no box

[frigid night]

can't you get a box?

[austere condor]

yeah, but the inner box i use is the box the case comes in

and that case comes flatpacked

so, no inner box

so packing it would be a nightmare

theres no foam insterts for it

[flint sapphire]

Custom fab a wood crate and 3d print supports

[austere condor]

i mean, if he wants to spend $400 on shipping

lol

[frigid night]

I feel like there is a way to ship it as is.. might require a bit of thinking, but I think you could do it.

[austere condor]

meh

not worth the effort

[flint sapphire]

If you wanna save on aesthetics tax you could maybe suggest a fractal north mesh to him

[austere condor]

i mean, the O11 is the most expensive option

i could go with a Hyte Y40

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mMRvH2

[flint sapphire]

True, I just mean you’ll barely be able to see the interior so you could get away with a tower cooler and less flashy hardware

[austere condor]

well

thats exactly not the point

[austere condor]

the point is to look like this

butbe shippable

[flint sapphire]

That’s fair; just a thought (also a fractal north shill)

[austere condor]

and im still over budget

by $21

[flint sapphire]

The hyte is a great looking case

[flint sapphire]

The hyte also already comes with a riser 👀

[cyan ravine]

Why don't you show him the 4090 option to see if he wants something less bespoke but much faster

[austere condor]

4am in the morning, not gonna get a response

ive got two estimates written up for him

the max budget option, and the one that is performance similar to the build he liked

[cyan ravine]

Idk man I think the lads looking at a good 20% loss going the all aesthetics route

Not that that's anything new these days

It's hard to offer a suggestion on something that is looks-specific

[austere condor]

i couldnt ship your parts list anyways

[cyan ravine]

Like I could say o11 mini

[potent portal]

I'm no longer surprised when people are willing to spend more for less

[cyan ravine]

And a 1000W instead of a 1200W

Maybe even 850W

[austere condor]

well the 1000W and 1200W are the same cost rn

[cyan ravine]

Thermalright CLC's

[austere condor]

and they're teh cheapest good high wattage units

[cyan ravine]

Better than FC's

The xmp kit and the z board are on the high side too

[austere condor]

for the work i do, i dont like picking out the cheapest possible components to fit in the best CPU/GPU possible

doesnt make sense

[cyan ravine]

Not sure why you're asking for deals then tbh 😅

[austere condor]

sacrifising parts with the cheapest motherboard you can buy, a cooler you cant ship, a mediocre budget case, and a concerningly low wattage PSU, to fit a 4090 isnt really a great recommendation

when the goal is

Make it look like this, but shippable

[cyan ravine]

Some oem's offer instructions to install the cooler after unboxing

[austere condor]

entirely removing every possible part about "make it look like this" defeates the purpose

completely goes against the reqeust

and using low end parts to squeeze in a 4090 is just. meh

[cyan ravine]

Alright, if you wanna get passive aggressive, show me where you said that.

[austere condor]

yeah, missing something vital as in, oh that board actually had some issue, try this other one, or this kit of ram is better value

or t his fan pack is on sale rn

[cyan ravine]

Which is exactly the core of the things I said and did

[austere condor]

not, get rid of everything, get everything lower quality, to fit a 4090

[cyan ravine]

Don't make an issue out of this

Lmao

The quality of my recc's was not lower anyway

That A620M is way overbuilt for spec

I had hynix ram, hynix A in fact

[austere condor]

yeah, an A620 makes perfect sense for a $3000 PC build

[cyan ravine]

A decent 4090

[austere condor]

[cyan ravine]

Yes it does

[austere condor]

well

anyways

[cyan ravine]

Lad keep nitpicking it's a good look 😂

[austere condor]

it looks like garbage

XD

spend 3 grand on a custom built gaming PC and it shows up looking like that, id be upset