building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

genshin is unironically a really good vram stability test

there's been a few times on a few different cards where vram oc passed everything else

occt, port royal, cyberpunk rt overdrive, bfv, etc.

then i open genshin, teleport to the city with falling petals, and just get flashbanged

the falling petals are prone to glitching out very dramatically if your vram is slightly unstable

idk why those petals specifically are so sensitive to vram instability

[potent portal]

Trippy

I do agree with your assessment btw, if it's just a solid green screen and doesn't post vram probably just died

[dense brook]

Anyone recently bought a 40series card? And doesn’t play diablo4? Dm me pls 😃😃😃

[split cliff]

is it a good idea to buy pc from like corsair

instead of building one your own

[fossil cedar]

If you hate your money

[obsidian wigeon]

There are decent prebuilts, but not corsair

NZXT has been out there making some decent stuff lately

Their Player series

Although you could build good pcs on your own for a good price

[potent portal]

Make sure to upgrade to an airflow case if you go nzxt-bld

[obsidian wigeon]

Most of their player stuff has flow version of their cases though

[dense brook]

My nzxt c650 bronze psu died 2nd day of use

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

That's unfortunate

[analog hearth]

okay

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[languid nimbus]

okay

[obsidian wigeon]

Okay

[little osprey]

I love the look of this card, I just don't think it'd look good in a blackout build with my initial plans using a 4000D

Now I'm thinking about the white Fractal Design Focus 2

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6TgH6r

I really need help with making the aesthetics look good, need a good balance of black, white, and RGB

[mossy venture]

If you're gonna ram tune, there's a 5600c28 kit for $100

Two actually, one white one black

[fossil cedar]

I hope you didn't actually pay 600$ for that gpu lol

[mossy venture]

This mobo would deliver the same experience https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kvWJ7P/asrock-a620m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-a620m-pro-rs-wifi

[fossil cedar]

Personally I'd get this case
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9CQcCJ/deepcool-ck560-atx-mid-tower-case-r-ck560-whaae4-g-1
Or the Lian li 216

[little osprey]

Nah I was looking used

$315

Pristine condition card

[little osprey]

I really haven’t touched DRAM timings or anything like that

[fossil cedar]

Ntb i guess for a white card

[little osprey]

Still learning CPU overclocking

[little osprey]

Ehhh it was mined on

Lemmie go find the listing RQ

[little osprey]

Yeah now looking at it I finally have a use for it

@fossil cedar https://www.ebay.com/itm/155191406944?

[potent portal]

Mined on is fine as long as it was taken care of

[fossil cedar]

In a lot of cases it's just as good or better than a gamed card

[little osprey]

It seems like it as far as I can tell

[little osprey]

I was initially looking at the CH370 to be fair, front seems more appealing

But airflow probably is worse

I would prefer a MATX case, but not a need

Anything at this point is purely for aesthetics

[fossil cedar]

Ch370 is by far the best matx tbh there's not a lot of competition

Only thing is it comes with like no fans afaik

[mossy venture]

Hm?

[little osprey]

Well I already have six case fans I bought that I was gonna use in the 4000D

Only question I have is if I’m gonna be able to see the RGB fans from the front

If not no worries

[little osprey]

My initial plans were a blackout with purple lighting, but after looking at that GPU I wanna get a good balance of white, black, and magenta (RGB)

I’m a little more focused on making a clean build with a decent increase in performance and aesthetics

Since with what I have now I’d rather have a non-transparent case

I’m probably gonna prioritize more performance so I can avoid upgrading

[fossil cedar]

I believe so

[mossy venture]

Imo that a620 looks pretty nice for a black/white build

[little osprey]

Yeah I thought so as well, I just wanna find that good balance

Debating if I should do a white RAM RGB kit and if they’re at a reasonable price

[little osprey]

I’ll go check

[mossy venture]

For white non rgb this is pretty nice https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9MWzK8/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-rs5w

[fossil cedar]

Oh that's not bad for white

[little osprey]

Bit pricier than the black RGB kit I was looking at

Hmmmm

[fossil cedar]

It's like 10$ more but better

[little osprey]

Different die?

[mossy venture]

6000c32 garaunteed hynix I believe

I'm not sure which would be better on am5 tho, 5600c28 or 6000c32, since 7000 series likes low timings

[fossil cedar]

The c32 is deff hynix, the other is possibly hynix, possibly samsung

[fossil cedar]

Probably 6000 because the fclk

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jZD7YJ/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-ff4d532g6000hc38adc01

Thoughts?

[stoic island]

Prob Samsung

[little osprey]

Will that be an issue for a 7600X?

[stoic island]

No

Samsung is fine for amd

[mossy venture]

You're not ocing so don't have to pay much attention to the die

[cyan ravine]

Better kit for $1 more

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bbJgXL/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-ff4d532g5600hc32dc01

$1 is worth it if you want something that can be future proof

[fossil cedar]

Is it actually better on amd tho because of fclk being lower

At xmp that is

[cyan ravine]

Nothing 5 minutes of flicking to 6000 can't fix, and then it's even faster at that

Then you have a kit that'll go way over the 6000's down the line when it matters later

[mossy venture]

True, but then I'd get that $100 5600c28 kit tho

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you could tbh

We're talking about literal pennies and tighter xmps with ddr5 hynix so it's all beneficial

[mossy venture]

$98https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XTgFf7/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl30-memory-f5-5600j3036d16gx2-rs5w

[fossil cedar]

True, depends if they're willing to i guess, seems like they would be

[mossy venture]

wait wrong kit

[cyan ravine]

That's still good

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZPpzK8/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5w

[cyan ravine]

Definitely if they wanted to part with rgb

[little osprey]

I dunno

I’d be in this odd position

As of right now I only have case fan RGB

[cyan ravine]

Well these would still give you similar benefits with rgb

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Slovskii/saved/yrF8ZL

How’s this look?

[mossy venture]

ft120 white is cheaper and will be fine on the 7600x, if you want the cooler to be white

[little osprey]

I already bought the cooler

I really want a balance of white and black

I’m really debating between a CH370 or Focus 2

[cyan ravine]

Change cpu to this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yXmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-7600-38-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100001015box

Same performance for 10% less spent

[little osprey]

It was on sale for $200 earlier

But yeah

[cyan ravine]

Was it?

Ah

[little osprey]

Newegg had a deal on it

$40 off

[cyan ravine]

That would make the other one better yeah

And I'm guessing that's not the gpu price either

$599

[little osprey]

Nah, looking at this

[cyan ravine]

Looks fine to me, I'm guessing you got that 6700xt for a decent price

[little osprey]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155191406944?

Haven’t got it yet, it’s $315 and in awesome condition

It was mined on though, but if it was well taken care of it’s most likely better than one gamed on

I just really love the look of the backplate

[cyan ravine]

Yes it'll be better

Looks like a decent buy to me

Seller has a good history

[little osprey]

Nothing special for the price just looks nice

[cyan ravine]

I approve of the list

[little osprey]

I dunno how long the listing is gonna be up

It’ll be a few weeks before I can afford it

Unless I get a loan from someone

[cyan ravine]

If we display it like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VNFr3y

This is a nice build

1K should get you about 6700XT/6800 performance yeah

[little osprey]

It’s a lot for a PC but it’ll last me long enough until I graduate high school

A price I’m willing to pay

Source is gonna limit my PC TBH

[cyan ravine]

Like, this would be the alternative imo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zrCVhk

Something to that effect

[pseudo pollen]

Am4 has almost no upgrade path, but it's still good if you're not gonna upgrade

[little osprey]

Taking away from the CPU and going towards GPU

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much

[pseudo pollen]

Also that ram has horrible hotspots, I don't recommend it

[cyan ravine]

You'd elevate from entry 1440p/fast 1080p to full on 1440p tier

[little osprey]

I unfortunately don’t have a 1440p monitor

[cyan ravine]

Where did you learn that

[little osprey]

So I’m mainly focused on 1080p gaming max settings

So the 6700 XT should be a powerhouse for 1080p and will be fine for 1440p

If I ever get 1440p

[cyan ravine]

Oh the led hotspots

I thought you meant the ram temperature 💀

[pseudo pollen]

Lol

[cyan ravine]

I mean, vengeance corsair has the same problem but people buy those a lot (despite our advice too sometimes)

[pseudo pollen]

It's better then those

[cyan ravine]

Indeed

[little osprey]

Haven’t touched Corsair RAM nor do I intend to

[cyan ravine]

It's not quite as cheap to make good rgb diffusion

[pseudo pollen]

Looks about the same irl

[cyan ravine]

Oh wow that's like, really noticeable

[pseudo pollen]

Yeah

[little osprey]

Only issue with that build would be the lack of upgrade paths if I ever needed it

[cyan ravine]

Ok point taken

[pseudo pollen]

That's what I was saying lol

[cyan ravine]

One sec

[pseudo pollen]

You said you'd be keeping it until you graduated

[little osprey]

Yeah

[pseudo pollen]

So just get a new one when that happens

Depending on how far away that is

[cyan ravine]

Oh duh, these are way better
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hj3gXL/oloy-blade-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-nd4u1632161brkde

[pseudo pollen]

Yeah

[little osprey]

Hmmmm, is AM4 gonna last two-three years?

Or is AM5 just the better option

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMQ9fv

[cyan ravine]

Definitely will

Both lists are good man

Take your pick which direction you wanna go

[pseudo pollen]

Intel is just the better bet imo, but it costs a bit more

13400f type thing

[little osprey]

Also what’s the point of the 7600X existing if it’s almost identical to the 7600

[little osprey]

Ehhh, better value TBH

[cyan ravine]

The million dollar question

[little osprey]

I purely just wanted to give AMD a try

[pseudo pollen]

I just go with whatever's best at that time

[little osprey]

So I’m not out of my mind for wanting to do the AM5 build?

[cyan ravine]

Not really no

[pseudo pollen]

Nope

[cyan ravine]

You take an L on gpu for a better platform, but not aggressively burning yourself to do so

[pseudo pollen]

Or go used gpu

[cyan ravine]

Or yeah find a used 6800xt

[pseudo pollen]

I've seen some $450 3080's recently

[little osprey]

I know future proofing is essentially impossible, but I really want to avoid aging parts as much as I can

[cyan ravine]

That's fine imo

[little osprey]

I was disappointed with the 7600 TBH upon it’s reveal this month

[pseudo pollen]

This month?

[little osprey]

Yeah

The GPU

[cyan ravine]

Ye the rx

[pseudo pollen]

Ohhg

I though it was the CPU

[little osprey]

It was released to the “Public” on the 25th

It’s really underwhelming for the price

[pseudo pollen]

Yeah

Kinda bad

[little osprey]

I’m curious as to if they’re gonna make a 7600 XT

[pseudo pollen]

Not 3060 bad, but still bad

[pseudo pollen]

They will

[little osprey]

Question is if they’re gonna screw it up or not

AMD really ditched their supporters this generation with their prices

[cyan ravine]

More like they're pushing their last generation super hard, so much so they shot themselves in the foot

[little osprey]

Yeah…

We’ll see if I can get my hands on the Sapphire 6700 XT

If not I might look more towards the AM4 path

[cyan ravine]

Sounds good

[little osprey]

I really wanted to give aesthetics more attention this build because otherwise it doesn’t feel like it has any value to me

I feel the entire point of building your own PC is having the freedom to make it what you want

[cyan ravine]

Sure

I'm not totally obstinate about aesthetics as long as things have been thought through properly

Like there's some really L take about the build like a gpu choked against a glass panel for example in a Y60

If you're smart about aesthetics (which we were) then I think it's great tbh

[little osprey]

I really tried to think this through creating something that looks good and performs well

It just was hard trying to find that balance

[cyan ravine]

White builds aren't that easy

But AM5 is an easy way to do it

If I run the numbers on how much extra was spent on white it amounts to basically like 15$ lol

[little osprey]

I didn’t wanna go full white, it seemed too generic

[cyan ravine]

So I think it's fine lol

[little osprey]

White builds and O11/4000D are the most generic choices ever

I wanted to be unique about this

But it needs a name now…

Hmmmm

White, silver, and magenta

[cyan ravine]

Call it Felix

[little osprey]

Perhaps

[cyan ravine]

I mean that's what everyone's doing rn

[little osprey]

Tribute to Wegg

[cyan ravine]

Lmao

I'm joking btw

[little osprey]

I’ll give it a little thought

I really appreciate the help

[cyan ravine]

All good man

[jagged hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079559252756156497/1112925137981939822/IMG_1289.jpg

just the plexi backplate left

it's running debian to look like windows

[austere condor]

$1200 max budget, 1440p high refreshrate E-sports gaming PC.
prefer a black out build more than RGB stuff. want to try and keep an AIO
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RkDyv3

any other recommendations? just making sure im not missing something thats a much better deal, or a part that all of a sudden is bad due to new info i dont know

[weary galleon]

If you don't already have the Mobo/cpu it seems better to go for a newer chipset

[mossy venture]

Looks pretty good to me, I think 6700xt is on sale for $309 rn

[weary galleon]

Either am5 or the newer Intel (lga 1700?)

[austere condor]

7800X3D is out of budget

[mossy venture]

Going for worse cpu could probably get a 6800xt

[austere condor]

and the 5800X3D is better than anything on LGA 1700 / AM5

[mossy venture]

But since its esports I'd keep 5800x3d

[weary galleon]

Yes but it leaves zero cpu upgrade room

[austere condor]

gonna be a while till you want to upgrade from a 5800X3D

and by the time that comes around

you would just buy a new platform anyways

[fossil cedar]

E sports means don't get x3d usually btw

[austere condor]

1440p 240hz
Valorant / CS:GO / Fortnite / COD

is the usecase

CS / val would benefit from the X3D, and COD likes AMD GPUs

that was my thought process

[fossil cedar]

CS and val tank on x3d

[austere condor]

oh?

i was not aware of that

[fossil cedar]

Yeah at least in CS anyway

For csgo anyway better off with 7700x

[austere condor]

huh

interesting

[fossil cedar]

and GN had a whole section about their frame timings that didnt look good lemme rewatch

actually doesnt look that bad

[paper summit]

Oh no my 5900x only gets 342fps what shall I ever do

[languid nimbus]

May as well toss it in the garbage

[fossil cedar]

bin it

[paper summit]

Fr

Yeah I'll look at a diagram and pluck off the pins I don't need

[cyan ravine]

Could go a cheaper case to cut it under 1200

Actually I think I can do even better

Brb

Still blackout

I can probably still do better

Brb

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k24khk

White build for $5 more and a better psu

Lol

And a 750W blackout here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ymJXTn

@austere condor one of those two^

Faster cpu and gpu

[paper summit]

Hes insaneee

Me when that gpu alone was as much as that whole build last year

[little osprey]

okay so. I have a 1 tb ssd but im running out of storage space. I was thinking about getting a 2tb one of a different brand but im not sure if itll work. I have a SK Hynix Gold P31 1 TB but the one im planning on getting is a Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB. Anyone have any advice or suggestions

[potent portal]

Faster than that samsung and probably cheaper too https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022

Samsung drives used to be great but lately they've been too expensive for less performance. They're riding on the name.

[little osprey]

Ahh okay

But would it work with me having a 1 tb ssd already in use?

[potent portal]

If you have another M.2 slot open yeah, 100% it'll work with both

[little osprey]

sweet! thank you ^^

[potent portal]

Happy to help

[little osprey]

1 more question. Is there anything I need to know before switching CPUs

I wanted to upgrade

[potent portal]

If you're using the same motherboard then the only thing that can go wrong is if you're using bitlocker, you'll need to use your backup key

[little osprey]

bitlocker?

[potent portal]

Windows full drive encryption software

Most people don't use it

[little osprey]

I dont think I am but is ther anyway I can check if I am

[sharp temple]

How's this for $900

[potent portal]

In an admin command prompt, enter manage-bde -status

[potent portal]

Don't do 4x16GB sticks, 2x32GB barely runs on DDR5 and 4 sticks makes that worse

[sharp temple]

That is 4x16

2 sets of 2x16

[potent portal]

Right, don't do that lol

[sharp temple]

Oh, I wanted the rgbs tho

[potent portal]

If you really need 64GB then do 2x32GB

4x16GB won't run faster than 4800

[sharp temple]

Do I need it to run faster than that rn I am running 4x8 3600

[potent portal]

4800 is the slowest DDR5

It really does hurt performance

[sharp temple]

Really? I guess I don't fully understand what the speed does like I know that higher is better but other than that...

[little osprey]

I dont have it so I can switch CPUs

Thanks for the help

[potent portal]

AM5 likes 6000-6400, depending on the capability of the CPU. Running 2x32GB you can reasonably expect 5400-5600.

[sharp temple]

And why won't it run at the rated 6000

[potent portal]

Memory controller limitations

More memory is a lot harder to run

[sharp temple]

I thought those were on the sticks

[potent portal]

No the memory controller is still on the CPU, it's the PMIC that's on the memory now

[sharp temple]

Ok. So is there a way to get all the channels filled so I can get looks but still get the performance? I know that's like an oxymoron but I might as well try

[potent portal]

You can get dummy sticks

[sharp temple]

Won't they not look the same

[potent portal]

If you're just gaming you really don't need 64GB btw, more memory actively hurts performance unless you're filling it up

[sharp temple]

So I shoudl get 2x16 6000

And not have the rgb ):

[potent portal]

Ideally yes, but you can have rgb

Hang on I'll show you what I mean

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/twBG3C/corsair-vengeance-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-cmh32gx5m2d6000c36
Plus
~~https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-Enhancement-memory-included/dp/B07L2QSY96~~

Oop wait stupid amazon search pulled up the ddr4 one

Ah ok the DDR5 one isn't out yet I guess but Corsair does say they're working on it

Ok looks like this brand is the only one that has the dummy sticks so far.
https://v-color.net/products/manta-ddr5-xprism-rgb-dummy-kit
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VL6X845

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yjyr3y

[sharp temple]

I was looking to get my stuff from the microcenter closest to me.

[sharp temple]

But thanks for the info today!

[potent portal]

Gotcha. You can always get the corsair vengeance kit now and add the dummy sticks whenever they come out.

I know they sell those at MC

[earnest olive]

"Filling up all 4 DRAM slots will increase voltage load, so it is recommended to use with memory ram overclocking speed up to 6000MHz, and max 6600MHz for A-die ram for stable performance."

💀

[potent portal]

Yeah and that's their reason for calling it "Intel only" lol

What a weird thing to say. The marketing team must have written that.

[earnest olive]

who needs performance when you can have rgb

[potent portal]

Form > function right?

[sharp temple]

Hey its a valid thought

[potent portal]

Yeah if it's worth it to you then it's worth it

It's just not what we would pick

[sharp temple]

This is what my system looks like rn and I think it looks amazing

[earnest olive]

the psu ruins it

[sharp temple]

ik i need like a sticker or a cover

[earnest olive]

preferably just a new psu tbh

[sharp temple]

yeah eventually

[earnest olive]

it's color clash and also it's uhh

aresgame

[sharp temple]

it works with my 4070ti so idc it works and wasnt a bad price

[potent portal]

Or sensor panel over it

But yes all aresgame units are F tier

As in "may start Fire"

[sharp temple]

maybe... thats a little complicated tho

[earnest olive]

very bad voltage ripple and also shady company that manipulates reviews

[sharp temple]

its been good for 4 years

[earnest olive]

when the reviews that they're manipulating are barely passing minimum spec you have to wonder what's inside the units they're actually selling

[potent portal]

It could be a time bomb depending on a few factors

But yeah they send cherry picked units to get 80+ rated, barely make bronze spec, and then get caught selling units that don't even meet white spec

[earnest olive]

you're currently using quite low power components, which is lowering the failure risk i suppose

if you were to push it closer to the "850w" advertised you might get some less desirable results

[sharp temple]

maybe ill do that in my upgrade to 7800x3d

[potent portal]

I'd consider it to be a 650W unit and it'll be ok probably under that

[earnest olive]

that should not be a maybe lol

i'd treat it like a 450w unit personally

650w? do i trust it to handle transient spikes above that?

no

[potent portal]

4070 ti doesn't spike much at least

[earnest olive]

that's true

btw, what on earth happened to the psu market recently lol

[potent portal]

I have no idea

[earnest olive]

rare to see corsair offering the best value option...

[potent portal]

750W C tier units cheaper than 550W C tier, what?

I almost want to start suggesting that sketchy "1050W" apevia one lol

[earnest olive]

$100 rm750e is just significantly better than competing offers

[potent portal]

It's spec c tier so 🤷‍♂️

[earnest olive]

still more trustworthy than aresgame

[potent portal]

Indeed

[earnest olive]

damn, entry level psus are $67 now

when i was new to pcs entry level was like $45

[potent portal]

Unless you get BS non-modular ones yeah

[earnest olive]

evga bq 😔

[potent portal]

I try not to recommend non-modular, semi at least

[earnest olive]

what's going on with evga these days anyways? you'd think they'd be trying to ramp up their power supplies, maybe motherboards, keyboards, etc.

but it seems like they're just content to let their company slowly die?

[potent portal]

No idea, they've been quiet

[earnest olive]

what are they even selling anymore? lol

evga psu prices are so high it's obviously just retailer shenanigans with dried up stock

i was excited to potentially see some actually mainstream evga motherboards

or some nice psu offerings

[potent portal]

No idea what their strat is, or if they even have one

[earnest olive]

but nope their cheapest mobos are all still $600+ and their psus are disappearing

[potent portal]

One way or another they have to be able to honor warranties on existing, sold products

Some of those are 10 years long

[earnest olive]

I want them to stick around as a company but I'm not sure they want to stick around as a company

[potent portal]

Did they have a booth at CES?

I don't think I've seen anyone there yet if so

[earnest olive]

don't think so, pretty sure i would have noticed if there were any evga news

they already have a successful power supply brand and mindshare would have tons of people interested in mainstream motherboards

could probably make a comeback in coolers too

so many options, so much unexplored potential

evga clc was very popular for some time

[potent portal]

I don't see any major news from this year, just small stuff like the last kingpin card that's doing the rounds right now with various overclockers

[earnest olive]

sad

[velvet hatch]

workin on another £700 build, appreciate if anyone got any tips to improve it (white theme)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YYjkhk

[fossil cedar]

I'd probs do this
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Gg9ZsL

[velvet hatch]

appreciate the help, all looks great :)

since mobo has no wifi do you have a NIC you could recommend?

oh wait sorry it does nvm

[fossil cedar]

All good

[unborn mesa]

Anybody have a build list for about 800-1000 usd?

[fossil cedar]

Gaming? Narrow down the preferred budget? Including peripherals? Wifi? Country(assuming us because USD but you'd be surprised)?

[unborn mesa]

Gaming, just the pc,and i have a wifi chip

[unborn mesa]

And US

[fossil cedar]

As in m.2 wifi or pcie?

Also can you narrow down the budget because you'll get different pcs for 800,900 and 1k

[unborn mesa]

Pcie

Ig 1k for maxed out budget

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ for lower end

I copied the wrong link I'm smart

Well, this is for higher end of the budget if you're doing 1440p https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8H8g8r

Still can do 1440p, just not super overkill for 1080p https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GJmTsL

[unborn mesa]

Eh its just for sum to use on my tv

[mossy venture]

Actually I'd spend $5 more for the a520 plus wifi or whatever it is

Better board and won't need to use your wifi card

[unborn mesa]

Hmm

[mossy venture]

Could also go 13400f with b760 ds3h ax

13400f is $165 mobo is $100

[unborn mesa]

Microcenter might have a decent deal on cpu+ mobo combo

[mossy venture]

I think the have a $300 12700k z690 32gb ddr4 deal

[vague oracle]

They have a $500 13700k,Z790 and DDR5 deal going on

Nvm budget for PC is 1k

[fossil cedar]

For max budget I'd do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CvhcW4

[unborn mesa]

Would that fit into the fractal design north case?

[fossil cedar]

Don't see why not

[unborn mesa]

That might be the build then

[little osprey]

I'm stuck between the Focus 2 and CH370, but my only issue with the CH370 is the bits of blue I just don't like on the white case

I'm just wondering if I'm loosing much by going with the Focus 2

[fossil cedar]

You could go over it with a white paint of some sort

Focus 2 doesn't have a psu shroud that's the only downside afaik

[little osprey]

Yeah, it's really getting on my nerves

Hmmm, any other black/white cases you would recomend?

[fossil cedar]

4000d airflow, g360a i think, p400a uh thats just off the top of my head

[obsidian wigeon]

It's a very tiny blue tho

[little osprey]

NVM I just got an idea

One sec

[mossy venture]

Pretty much any fractal design case with a mesh front

[little osprey]

I was gonna try to base my build off black, white/silver, and blue/magenta

Mabye I can make this work

With the CH370

[tawdry lance]

Could you guys reccomend a 1300 USD pc build primarily for esports gaming (valorant, apex, and league of legends)?

[paper summit]

1300 for esports? Hell this will run anything haha @tawdry lance

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ymJXTn

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tQFDDq

id probably do that

[paper summit]

Oh damn

Nice catch pato

[fossil cedar]

Danke

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dDcpyK white build

[cerulean snow]

anyone have a pc that you can play vr games on?

[cyan ravine]

The pc above would do VR

[cerulean snow]

ok

[lucid glade]

Looks good! I'd just ideally swap psu to a gf1 or if lowering budget is preferable the hydro g pro

Not that rme is bad just those are better options

[paper summit]

I didnt make the list

It was a previous one

[lucid glade]

Oh, I thought it was a list for you

My bad

[paper summit]

No lmfao

Ur good

[little osprey]

Since I know it causes bottlenecking to some degree via current personal experience, I want some insight. I have a ryzen 5 3600 with an rtx 3070, the bottlenecking is mildly evident with some features, but not overly an issue; but i am also not consistently knowledgeable to AMD cpus. If I were to go up to a 3600x, would this heighten or lessen the percentage of the processor bottleneck by a worthwhile amount? Or should I just follow through with a completed Intel i7-12700K for maximized performance?

[mossy venture]

3600x and 3600 are the same cpu

I wouldnt get 12700k unless it's same price or cheaper than 13400f, which is $165 in the US rn

[little osprey]

Similar but not the same, just near identical. The X still has a slight difference, just not by much

[lucid glade]

Ngl, I kinda wish I went Intel

7700x records are easy ASF to reach but I got a basically doa core

So I need to buy a whole new CPU then return mine

[little osprey]

but was even thinking 5800x3d or 12900K?

[paper summit]

They're the same thing... its a slight clock speed difference that can be countered by turning pbo on

[lucid glade]

Same core just different settings basically

Kinda like 580 vs 480

[little osprey]

Makes sense

[paper summit]

Also when you're asking for help I recommend not correcting the person helping you 🫶

[little osprey]

Had not meant the correction in a harmful way, was only bringing to thought if it was the exact same or holding some difference. I did not take offence nor mean it in return, but as a non-native english speaker this may have come across wrongly, to which I apologize

[mossy venture]

What I was saying is there's no difference, put them side by side and its the same

12th gen is last gen, 12900k loses to 13600k and 7600 in gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

The only difference is spec sheet numbers, which leads to no real world difference

[little osprey]

Yeah its of no worries, but again I apologize for the english and lacking statement.

[earnest olive]

@little osprey 100% just upgrade to a processor on your existing motherboard

5600 and 5800x3d are good choices depending on how much you want to spend

and/or if you play games that benefit from the 5800x3d

in general the 5600 would be good enough to keep up with the 3070

5800x3d might see a good benefit in some games that care more about the cache, and might be able to hang with your next gpu upgrade, depends on what it is

[little osprey]

Noted, thank you

[molten rune]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ksKjfv

build i'm doing for my friend's birthday

[potent portal]

The 5600 is more than happy on the stock cooler, and you can use that extra $20 on a better case and a PSU that won't explode

[molten rune]

the PSU was mostly just a placeholder in case that my old computer's 850w 80+ gold doesn't work anymore

haven't run it in a while

the prism comes with 4 fans, just was gonna tell him to not run it on carpet, put it on the desk or something

as much as the stock could work, 20$ for a slightly better/sidegrade cooler that does have some RGB factor for that extra "wow" when he turns it on for the first time is what I was going for.

[potent portal]

4 fans doesn't mean anything if they can't breathe

A solid front panel chokes them to the point where no amount of fans can fix it

(usually, there's a few exceptions)

[molten rune]

They're bottom-mounted

not front-intake

except for the one exit fan

[potent portal]

I'd say that'll hurt CPU temps but it won't matter much with that cooler at least

I do suggest 3600 memory though, Ryzen gets about a 10-15% boost from 3200 to 3600

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced432g3600hc18jdc01

[molten rune]

oh, i swear i clicked 3600 timings on the other one, thanks

[potent portal]

Glad I could help lol

[molten rune]

was hoping i could find a better deal on a card on ebay or something but so far everyone's been bidding up reasonable midrange cards to the point where i'd rather just buy new anyway.

[dusty cedar]

ok problem. lets see if anyone can solve it cause google can't.

using spdif 7.1 surround sound optical for my audio. drivers are up to date, cable is not kinked or bent. 0 sound even when i max everything out. restarting my pc generally fixes it for a couple of days. restarted and still don't have any sound. what could be the cause

[potent portal]

Onboard audio?

[dusty cedar]

yes

[potent portal]

Sounds like an average onboard moment

All you can really do is reinstall drivers until you find a version that works

Yay realtek

Oh and once you do find a working version make sure to block it from updating

Or buy a sound blaster

[cyan ravine]

If it's not too late to switch, these parts instead my guy. Same price but better gpu, case and mobo (mobo runs a 5950X whereas the b550 doesn't iirc, so the a520m is good for a drop in upgrade)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wX7xnt

[potent portal]

Insane that you can make a 5900X/6950 XT PC that fits in a $900 budget, and with actually decent parts

[austere condor]

[molten rune]

I mean the next upgrade would likely be for a 7XXX series (or 8XXX, when released) once the 5600 can't stand up to the games friend wants to play, or support a 5800x3d... Which I'm pretty sure since to run the 5600, it needs the have installed up to 2.2 bios, that the x3d would work there too.

-- which would necessitate a switch to am5 anyway

Either way unfortunately already purchased, I do like the look of that case, though the micro ATX-designed cases and boards I have trouble building in with my bigger hands

[molten rune]

Nice to see sub 4-digit prices being powerful again

I'm hoping we see a bus expansion/more VRAM from AMDs next offerings to really put some fire under Nvidia's heels

[earnest olive]

GUYS

THE 13100F IS $75 ON BEST BUY AND NOT FROM A THIRD PARTY SELLER

ALL HANDS ON DECK

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-core-i3-13100f-13th-gen-4-core-12mb-cache-3-4-to-4-5-ghz-desktop-processor/6530253.p

[fossil cedar]

That's pretty hawt

[obsidian wigeon]

$75, jesus

dew it

[vague oracle]

Damn it’s even tempting me

[stoic island]

Damn old 10100 prices

[little osprey]

I hope the 7600 gets cheaper

[viral ore]

damn i just paid 110 a few weeks ago

[sharp temple]

Will my MasterLiquid ML360R RGB AIO be compatible with the AM5 CPUs without any extra hardware right now I have a 5600x and that cooler.

[little osprey]

I already have:

• Asus TUF B450M Pro 4 mobo
• AMD Ryzen 5 3600 cpu
• Thermaltake Versa H18 case(?)
• Ram from TEAMGROUP, 8 x 2 3200 MHz DDR4. Forgot the model, lmao.

Are these other parts worth it?

Timetec for secondary drive, games.
AX2 for booting.

[stoic island]

Would rather get this for the 1tb drive and boot off of it, 35$ for a faster and nicer drive
https://www.newegg.com/msi-1tb-spatium-series/p/N82E16820140036
And if you feel like windows takes too much space, just get a single 2tb drive like this for 70$
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CDM2HSS

[little osprey]

what if that drive gets corrupted though
that's another one of my reasons for a secondary drive

[stoic island]

If it gets corrupted, whatever data was corrupted is lost anyways, it doesn't change if you have one drive or two drives

The whole drive failing is rare

[little osprey]

eh whatever lmao

I'm just tryna save as much money as possible at this point with the same ish specs

[stoic island]

Buying a single decent 1tb drive for 35$ saves you money

[little osprey]

Ain’t no way they’re that cheap now bro

I paid $80 for my 1TB 980

[stoic island]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-1tb-spatium-series/p/N82E16820140036

[little osprey]

Was already planning on that SSD

It’s dropped $10 since last I checked

Lucky me IG

[stoic island]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

You might need to request a bracket from cooler master but they should send that out for free

And the m450 is like 3$ more (gen 4)

[fossil cedar]

Buying a sata drive these days is pointless and you can get the thermaltake assasin x, in rgb or non for 15$ less

[little osprey]

i noticed that I never got a backplate for my cooler damn

[pseudo pollen]

How tf does Demonmit get such good deals, that pc should be upwards of $1300

[fossil cedar]

used deals and sick deals

[pseudo pollen]

I only see deals like that once every couple of months, and I just recently saw a 9700k/nhd15/aorus z390 combo for $215

I don't have the money to buy it though

[little osprey]

I switched things up a bit

the boot drive is a 250gb nvme SSD and the storage drive is 1024gb sata ssd

[fossil cedar]

literally no point, sata drives are more expensive these days

[little osprey]

both nvme then?

[fossil cedar]

ye

[cerulean snow]

is this good? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wH2yv3

[little osprey]

I’d swap out the RAM kit for something else TBH, outside of that seems fine

[cerulean snow]

ok

[little osprey]

Do you need wifi or do you use Ethernet?

[cerulean snow]

wifi

[olive cypress]

@austere condor Amazing build!! And for just 900$ woow

It's like 2 times as powerful as mine, better looking but also 300$ less

I'm impressed

[fossil cedar]

whats the budget? id really try get 32gb ram and an ATX case to increase airflow and preferably a tower cooler

also will need a different board cuz wifi

if you can spend a bit more id do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bNrNRv

[lucid glade]

I'd swap SSD to an mp34 and psu to a gf1 but list is good imo

Others gave input on everything else that could be improved

[cerulean snow]

ok

[little osprey]

thoughts? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WXTQTn

[lucid glade]

I wouldn't go that SSD or psu personally

[little osprey]

sofhsoykchs

I've been swapping around all day lmao

[fossil cedar]

That's a side grade and a downgrade respectively (assuming the 650w for 90 otherwise sidegrade)

[lucid glade]

What?

No

I don't want to be mean but it isn't

[fossil cedar]

Rme is just as good

[lucid glade]

Please look into the models being discussed rn

Rme is usable

[fossil cedar]

Mp34 is within margin of error

It's not rme is A tier

So is gf1

[lucid glade]

It's not actually that good

Gf1 is good

[fossil cedar]

They're both good

[lucid glade]

Gf1 is almost rmx good

[fossil cedar]

Doesn't matter tho and it's priced worse

[lucid glade]

Rme is more like e gold cxm

Also gf1 is cheaper

[fossil cedar]

Lol what

[fossil cedar]

If you're talking about running the 650w on a 6950xt sure

But like what

That's insane

[lucid glade]

Is he doing xoc?

Also pretty sure 750w is about the same price too

But he won't need that

Unless hes really going nutty with the mpt

Also no, mp34 isn't a side grade either

Mp33 is

Mp34 is a dram tlc drive

[fossil cedar]

Nsh it's 115

[lucid glade]

The one he has rn is a dramless drive

[fossil cedar]

It's not that big of a bump for the price mp34 has been meh price recently, msi m450 would be my choice honestly

Also dramless is fine

Because of hmb

Spit it out flexy

[cyan ravine]

Are we really discussing spending 30% more on an ssd for a gaming build? 💀

Lads probably fine on a generic sata let alone an Mp34

Go for best value on a gaming build, not best all rounder

And at 44$ you may as well spend that little extra for a p41 plus or sn770

[fossil cedar]

The m450 is like 37$

Easy choice

[cyan ravine]

M450 is fine. It's a surprising find tbh, it regularly goes on sale to compete with the low end

[fossil cedar]

And you won't notice the diff anyway

[lucid glade]

Let's ignore the actual power delivery performance for a sec

Cause there is a big reason even for someone not overclocking rme isn't ideal

Hong Hua HA1225H12F-Z (120mm, 12V, 0.58A, Rifle Bearing Fan)

Last 3 words

[fossil cedar]

?

[lucid glade]

It uses a rifle bearing fan

[fossil cedar]

So?

[lucid glade]

It won't last long at all

[cyan ravine]

Ok and how long is the warranty

5 years

[fossil cedar]

10 years lol

[cyan ravine]

10? Ah I just did a quick google

[lucid glade]

Dram will matter for seek times a bit but mainly it will help with lifespan of the drive which I prefer people not cheap out on

Especially for a boot drive

[cyan ravine]

Either or both are long enough that by the time it may happen you're either covered or you're upgrading anyway

[lucid glade]

Interface isn't the issue. The issue is the dramless vs dram

[fossil cedar]

Me too

[cyan ravine]

Really does not matter for generic windows use

[lucid glade]

I agree that gaming isn't bandwidth heavy

It does

[cyan ravine]

If you can justify spending 10$ more on the insurance of dram then go for it

Frankly I'd go p41 at that point

Or 670p

[lucid glade]

It's probably the most important aspect for an SSD if you aren't breaking down the controller wear leveling methodologies

[lucid glade]

Doesn't matter if it overheats and a cap blows from fan failure if it's in warranty though

[fossil cedar]

My sn550 is literally just as good in everything but sustained compared to my p5 plus

[cyan ravine]

My fastest ssd for windows is a BX500

[fossil cedar]

Lol what

[cyan ravine]

You're really assuming the worst btw

[cyan ravine]

It loads windows the fastest by far 💀

[fossil cedar]

Interesting

Wonder why

[cyan ravine]

Cos windows doesn't leverage the iops speed to make it ever really matter

[lucid glade]

That's the point

[cyan ravine]

It's a limitation of the OS

[lucid glade]

Otherwise he should just buy the cheapest psu that gives 12v, 3.3, and 5v

[fossil cedar]

Typical windows

[lucid glade]

There is a reason I'm recommending he save money and get a better one with a lower chance of failure

And better power delivery

It's safer for him

Also, I think m371 is qlc

Not tlc

So beyond the dram issue

The flash won't last long

[fossil cedar]

As i said i meant for the price hike

[lucid glade]

Qlc with dram is arguably fine if cheap enough although I'd still say no to that personally

[fossil cedar]

Mp34 is poorly priced atm there would be better choices if they really wanted tlc or dram

[cyan ravine]

I was talking about the m450 not the m371

They're at similar prices rn

[lucid glade]

But dramless qlc is the SSD equivalent to using a no review 80 plus white psu 10 watts from opp

[lucid glade]

Did it's price go up?

[cyan ravine]

Mp34 is like 44$

[lucid glade]

He should just get the cheapest dram tlc drive he can get

Cause dram matters for boot times a tiny bit but more importantly for flash lifespan

And tlc lasts a decent while

[fossil cedar]

Either it went up or others went down

[cyan ravine]

Again we go back to the "does it really matter at that stage?" discussion

[lucid glade]

I don't really care which SSD he gets but I recommend he changes it from the m371 to a tlc dram one

[lucid glade]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

By the time the guy upgrades he'll probably change it out

[lucid glade]

A decent bit if it's his boot drive

You don't change those often

So cells dying is really bad

And they aren't easy to change

[fossil cedar]

noone notices the .5 seconds on boot time they're saving

[lucid glade]

I agree

[cyan ravine]

Don't modern dramless allocate system ram nowadays anyway?

[lucid glade]

It matters very minimally

[fossil cedar]

Yep

[lucid glade]

Some do

[fossil cedar]

That's what hmb is

[lucid glade]

But that has a pretty big latency hit

[fossil cedar]

They basically all have it now, it's odd for one not too

[cyan ravine]

So if it has hmb then the discussion is basically moot

[lucid glade]

Which again is what matters for boots

[cyan ravine]

So you may as well upgrade then to the p41 or sn770

It falls to the same level

[fossil cedar]

I have a sn550 and p5 plus, literally can't tell the difference as boot drives

[lucid glade]

Not really cause it's qlc

[fossil cedar]

Dramless and dram respectively

[cyan ravine]

The m450 has hmb

Also it's tlc

I said it before I'm not talking about the m371

[lucid glade]

Wouldn't expect anyone realistically to

One is better

But minimally

But wearing is where having that cache matters most

[cyan ravine]

So really over the m450 you're paying extra for basically boot times

[fossil cedar]

No difference in wear by sn550 is older and still at 100% health

[cyan ravine]

Anyway, I don't want to keep grilling

It's logical on both sides, it's just a measure of what you value

[lucid glade]

At the very least he shouldn't go qlc

[cyan ravine]

We aren't suggesting qlc

[lucid glade]

I know

[fossil cedar]

M450 then, as i said before

[dusty cedar]

i value pizza

[lucid glade]

But I'm saying he should swap drive

[fossil cedar]

Eh not needed but they can

[lucid glade]

Qlc dramless is a very much should

Especially for it being his main drive

He can use it

But shouldn't

[lucid glade]

Based

[cyan ravine]

@cerulean snow here's what I'd do lad, significant upgrade on board, ram and ssd, everything else looks good
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZPnPMb

[cerulean snow]

ok

[paper summit]

Whyd you steal my name

[cyan ravine]

The $30 extra for the extra ram is huge

[cyan ravine]

Wow this guy really just reserved Danny worldwide

[lucid glade]

Based but why a520?

[cyan ravine]

Cos it's actually a stupidly good board

It runs a 5950x

Quite well

[cerulean snow]

my account was made before yours

[lucid glade]

Any board should

[paper summit]

frfr this is me

[lucid glade]

It's not that power hungry afaik

[cyan ravine]

No, some AM4's are terribad

Vrms hot and throttling

[lucid glade]

And gets are rated for stupid temps

[cyan ravine]

This one doesn't

[paper summit]

4 months LOL

[cerulean snow]

still longer

[paper summit]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

And additionally you get wifi too for $5

[paper summit]

Who was born first tho

[cyan ravine]

It's an all round improvement

[cerulean snow]

me

[paper summit]

How u know

[cyan ravine]

A drop in upgrade of a 5950x or 5800x3d is quite a nice step up for later if you're gonna do am4 new in 2023

[lucid glade]

Vrms don't really throttle unless you mean pb2 value artificially set low by board maker

[cyan ravine]

No I mean just crap staging

A lot of asrock low end runs too hot to handle a higher end ryzen

[lucid glade]

Vrms don't pass data or have high current density like a CPU so they don't really need to throttle

So they don't

[lucid glade]

Define hot

[paper summit]

[lucid glade]

Cause hot to a CPU isn't the same as hot to a vrm

[cyan ravine]

Beyond 110

[lucid glade]

High and low side gets right?

[cyan ravine]

Typical throttle point allocated by manus

[lucid glade]

That's more than fine

Also vrms again don't throttle

[dusty cedar]

no me

[lucid glade]

They generally have fixed switching

Some down phase which is bad

But thats usually under low load

[cerulean snow]

false information

[cyan ravine]

Ok I'm not this educated on that stuff

I just read reviews and online data

[paper summit]

https://tenor.com/view/kole-speechbubble-speech-bubble-gif-25853342

[lucid glade]

Smart power stages are usually fine up to like 130c

But warmer boards usually use normal gets

*fets

Which usually have even higher tolerances for temps

[dusty cedar]

me times infinity i win

[lucid glade]

On Intel xoc vrms temps can matter

But not on ryzen

[cerulean snow]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[lucid glade]

Stick with b550

[dusty cedar]

no tacos for you then

[lucid glade]

Board temps don't matter but locked multiplier will

[dusty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/beauty-and-the-beast-beast-belle-go-a-head-and-starve-dinner-gif-10061200

[cerulean snow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[dusty cedar]

sorry. yall can go back to arguing

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-24518828

[cerulean snow]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-oh-yes-yes-o-yeah-yes-no-yes-go-on-yea-yes-gif-24983806

https://tenor.com/view/watching-tv-boring-weekend-binge-watching-binging-gif-16683908

[lucid glade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWtvgb

Changed these couple things around but left the rest the same. @cerulean snow

[earnest olive]

vrms throttling is definitely a thing, but probably enforced by the board and not the vrms themselves

[cerulean snow]

ok

[earnest olive]

if I ran p95 for over 30 mins, my z370 extreme4 would hit 110C on the vrms and the CPU would get locked to base clock even though the CPU temp was low

[lucid glade]

Pb2 can force a CPU to but it isn't the vrm throttling

[mossy venture]

There's an asus a520m plus wifi I think it is for $90 that can handle a 5800x3d vrm wise

[lucid glade]

It's more just pb2 being trash and following a hype train on vrm cooling

[mossy venture]

Bonus that it has wifi

[lucid glade]

Like I said any board can realistically

Temps aren't an actual issue for vrms because the temps they are actually built to handle

[earnest olive]

I don't think my 8700K had PB2

[lucid glade]

Let's clear something up

Are you talking CPU clock or vrm switching throttling?

[earnest olive]

CPU clock throttling as a result of VRM temp, which is what most people mean when they say VRM throttling

I get what you're saying, but it's overly pedantic

it's like correcting people when they say 8000mhz ram

sure, they're technically wrong, but everyone knows what they meant

do we really care if the vrm switching frequency throttles or not? no, we care about the performance impact on the cpu when vrms reach a certain temperature

which is very measurable and well documented

[lucid glade]

That's not vrms throttling but usually just an external software like pb2 limiting CPU speed based on an arbitrary value more for marketing reasons then engineering reasons

[earnest olive]

yes

I'm aware

I addressed that

[lucid glade]

But on amd it shouldn't even be an issue on trashy boards tbh

[earnest olive]

the bigger point is that everyone knows what people are referring to when "vrm throttling" is mentioned and this discussion is pointlessly pedantic

no, there are definitely am4 boards that measurably throttle cpu speed due to vrm overheating

[lucid glade]

No, I'm used to talking about vrm switching and more manual overclocks

[earnest olive]

okay, but you're in a channel centered around helping novice/first time builders choose PC parts

[lucid glade]

It's not that I'm saying you're wrong or anything

[paper summit]

[lucid glade]

Just that I'm not used to that phrase being used like that

[earnest olive]

well, now you know

[lucid glade]

But again I don't think it will be an issue for him

[earnest olive]

it's no different from the eternal MHz vs. MT/s debate

or even just straight Mbps

[lucid glade]

Yea, don't get me wrong. It's not bad that you call it vrm throttling or anything like that

I just needed to understand what you meant by that lol

[earnest olive]

the board you put probably won't handle a 5950x but should be okay if not slightly on the edge with a 5800x3d

the asrock b550m pro4 is a step up from that board and the vrms hit 84c over ambient at 200 watts

b550m pg4 would definitely be dropping CPU clocks when trying to run 200 watts

which you won't hit with a 5800x3d

but definitely could with a 5950x

[lucid glade]

Meh, 5800x3d isn't that power hungry

@cyan ravine sorry, thought you meant vrm switching throttling

Software throttling is dumb and Intel and amd just shouldn't do it but marketing always has a play so yea, software set limits can force a CPU to lower clocks speeds

But it's not gonna be an issue for him realistically

So imo better for him to go for a board that's unlocked for oc potential

But if he likes the look of the other more and has no care to oc the a520 might be a better option

Just based on his valuation I guess

[earnest olive]

my 5800x3d capped out at about 120W, so yeah

could be riding the edge if poor case airflow and/or a lot of heat coming from gpu

or dust buildup over time, etc.

[lucid glade]

Nah, Felix gave him a good case

Airflow should be good

Nice mesh front

[earnest olive]

good case requires maintenance to stay good

[lucid glade]

I guess that's true

If it's losing clocks though cause heat I'm sure he'd dust it

[earnest olive]

meh

one time i had a client bring me his pc to upgrade

i opened it up probably for the first time

there was a spider in there

got a napkin to pick it up and it disintegrated as soon as i touched it

[molten rune]

he's controlling all the board

s

x d

[earnest olive]

wonder how many years that spider was dead in there for

[lucid glade]

Lmfao

[earnest olive]

took the whole pc outside and blasted it with my leaf blower for 10 minutes

[lucid glade]

Based

[earnest olive]

yes, i bought a leaf blower for the sole purpose of cleaning computers

i did try it on leaves once

worked well

[lucid glade]

Lol

[earnest olive]

one would hope so

but yeah since build-chat is usually geared towards helping casual users you kind of have to keep that in your mindset

and give advice that pertains to casual users even if it wouldn't pertain to you

[dusty cedar]

can confirm. i like electronics and all but yall gettin deep in that nerd speak

[earnest olive]

a lot of users are not interested in OC, so a superior quality a520 board could be more valuable than an extremely basic b550

a520 does still allow you to apply xmp, and that's really all most people care about

not frequency limited like older intel either

[lucid glade]

@earnest olive based and pro consumer choice takes

[earnest olive]

could probably do 3800 1:1 on that tuf a520 no problem

[lucid glade]

It's kinda insane how good cases are getting now

Made my friend a build in p360a and it's honestly nicer then old cases like 4x it's price I used before

[earnest olive]

monitors and ssds are so much cheaper than when i bought mine

[lucid glade]

Been thinking of just buying some used optane for game storage with how cheap they got lol

It's insane

[earnest olive]

i remember my 2tb gen 3 for 165 was a good deal

in 2021

now in 2023 a 2tb gen 3 is 72

[lucid glade]

Yea, it's crazy to think about

[earnest olive]

and 2tb gen 4 is like 89

said my 1440p165 monitor was the best $300 i've ever spent

now they're sub 200

[little osprey]

really wish I had a job so I could get the money for the 115.32 dollars I need zamn

[wispy prawn]

Is there some forbidden magical technique that allows you to unscrew really tight AIO screws?

[potent portal]

Yes, it's called a screwdriver. Ones with larger handles can often get better torque on the screws.

[narrow kernel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Carter_K_Ly/saved/#view=mDk8ZL

Does this work...? And do I need to add anything else?

[obsidian wigeon]

Everything will work, but you can do so much better than this

What's your budget for the pc?

[narrow kernel]

1200-1800

[obsidian wigeon]

Alright, with monitor cost included right?

I see a monitor in the list

[narrow kernel]

Yes

[obsidian wigeon]

@narrow kernel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qtj6Tn

This one basically nearly maxes your budget

[jagged hill]

ssdeez nuzleaf

[obsidian wigeon]

Windows doesn't need to be bought, I can help you with it in dms once you get the pc

[jagged hill]

theyre nicely cheap

set sail for one piece

ssd have gone as low as $40

after tax

[obsidian wigeon]

that's for a gen 3 drive but yeah

[jagged hill]

if you go for the chad teamgroup

[narrow kernel]

Btw

[jagged hill]

vs the soyjak nametax

wd crucial samsung etc

[narrow kernel]

I have the case and 500 ssd already so what should I do?

[jagged hill]

i’m almost ready finish my steam deck 2

[obsidian wigeon]

Ah

You already bought them?

[jagged hill]

i only have the backplate left

to make

[obsidian wigeon]

Okay lemme do something about this

[jagged hill]

its a knockoff i made

[obsidian wigeon]

Does budget stay the same, or did some of it get spent on case and the sata ssd?

[jagged hill]

thats based on a nuc with a desktop graphics card

[narrow kernel]

The budget can exclude the case

[jagged hill]

make your own weird case?

[obsidian wigeon]

Okay, then the case can stay

The enthoo pro is a decent case

I would return the ssd, or keep it if you wish

[jagged hill]

joycon and gpu

on battery

[obsidian wigeon]

Nothing wrong with keeping the ssd

[jagged hill]

what do you think foxy

[narrow kernel]

Like using it in the pc...?

[jagged hill]

its almost done

[narrow kernel]

And for the case, are we using it? Or?

[jagged hill]

only need the backplate tomorrow

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah, keep the case

It's okay

And you can use the 500gb ssd, or return it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k7fXTn

Adjusted for case already being bought

[narrow kernel]

Okay thanks, I'll contact u another day.

[vague oracle]

The build is starting to coming together

[dim forge]

Guys I need help

i will be shipping my pc across cthe country

And I wanna know if it’s best to take the gpu out

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes

[dim forge]

Or if its safe to leave it in the case

[obsidian wigeon]

Best to take it out unless you want to risk a broken gpu

Otherwise put some packing bags and foams in the case

[dim forge]

The case will be shipped with its original box and foams

[obsidian wigeon]

That ain't enough for gpu to be safe tbh

[dim forge]

okay, so best just to take it out and carry it with me on the plane?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

[dim forge]

as my personal article tho

I wouldn’t want the airplane company to just destroy my luggage with my gpu in it

😭

[obsidian wigeon]

I think it's doable

[dim forge]

any other thing I should take out of the case

[obsidian wigeon]

Nothing else, maybe cooler if it's chunky

[dim forge]

Nah its the stock one

[obsidian wigeon]

You're good then

[dim forge]

okay thanks

[dim forge]

Alr, ready to go, just needs a black bag and a lot of transparent tape

[dusty cedar]

if you're using fedex then reinforce the edges of the box with some tape or it's not gonna make it where it needs to go in 1 piece. also use strong tape, the conveyor belts and shoots aren't very package friendly...

source, im a fedex driver

[lucid glade]

Anyone have advice on a low ripple 1000w-1600w psu that is available on used market decently often?

Preferably lower ripple than gf1 but as long as peak is sub 20mv

[viral horizon]

what does this mean im confused: The Thermalright Assassin X Refined SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard.
if anyone could please help me i would would appreciate it alot

im not good with pc building or anything

[fossil cedar]

It's just saying that it might not come with an lga1700 mounting bracket but it does, if it doesn't you can message thermalright and they'll send you the right bracket

[viral horizon]

how could i message them? through discord or email?

[fossil cedar]

Customer support on their website but it's supposed to come with one

[viral horizon]

alright

thank you alot

[fossil cedar]

So you shouldn't have to worry

No problems

[viral horizon]

alright

thank you