building-and-recc-chat

[south cliff]

13600k?

[potent portal]

Depends on the game

[obsidian wigeon]

even 13600k will still have some bottleneck at 1080p

[south cliff]

does he play 1080p

?

[obsidian wigeon]

Assuming he has 6650xt, I guess he's running 1080p

[potent portal]

CoD? Yeah CPU bottleneck
TLOU? GPU bind

[obsidian wigeon]

Solution to TLOU is to emulate it

[potent portal]

Ironically that does work

[obsidian wigeon]

It legit runs way better than pc port

And looks much better too

[cyan ravine]

And looks better

Yeah

And free

????

[potent portal]

No you still have to own the version you're emulating

[obsidian wigeon]

Could nab some off ebay

[cyan ravine]

On rpcs3?

[potent portal]

To emulate legally yes

[obsidian wigeon]

If you wanna stay legal

[cyan ravine]

Oh

Alright

Legally

[obsidian wigeon]

Not like sony cares but yeah

[cyan ravine]

I guess I've been a criminal before

[south cliff]

no one is gonna single you out and put you in jail because of a game

[potent portal]

And legally speaking that's the only way to emulate on this server

[south cliff]

thats what i think

[cyan ravine]

Yes definitely don't just download it

[south cliff]

they got bigger problems

[cyan ravine]

That would be criminal

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah but we can't recc it here

Cuz rulez

[potent portal]

People have been banned here for piracy talk, best to leave it here

[obsidian wigeon]

yap

[south cliff]

bruh i need a fun game

to play

[obsidian wigeon]

None of current AAA games

[south cliff]

all the ones i got rn are getting old and boring

[obsidian wigeon]

They all run trash

[potent portal]

There's tons of free and cheap games

[south cliff]

but none of them are usually fun

[potent portal]

Not just that, they're almost all trash period

[obsidian wigeon]

lolol

[south cliff]

im finna just play roblox

it got everything

[obsidian wigeon]

I play roblox too

[south cliff]

w

[obsidian wigeon]

Primarily because my laptop is trash

[south cliff]

you dont got a desktop

?

[obsidian wigeon]

I have, but due to me getting it as an excuse to do some mining and stuff with it I couldn't use it

[south cliff]

what do you play on roblox

[obsidian wigeon]

Just about anything my mood goes tbh

[south cliff]

i like grinding games

games that take forever

[potent portal]

Did you grab new Vegas off epic? Play that

[south cliff]

no

[obsidian wigeon]

FO:NV sadly makes me nauseous with its graphics

I can't play it

[little osprey]

Do I give some dude a 12100F and some cash for a 13700K?

[potent portal]

Not like there isn't hundreds of graphical update mods to choose from

[little osprey]

I know I wanted to switch to AM5

[south cliff]

ye

[little osprey]

Buuuut

[south cliff]

how much tho

cash

[little osprey]

Unsure

[south cliff]

i would give like 150

[obsidian wigeon]

Tried lots of em, still fails to cure it

[little osprey]

And the 12100F

[south cliff]

150 seems fair

[manic cloak]

ya i'm running 1080p atm, upgrading to 1440p in the future cause i'm definitely not running COD on 1440 with a 6650xt

[obsidian wigeon]

I really wanna play metro again but urgh the damn fov is too narrow

[manic cloak]

or overwatch or rust.

[little osprey]

Hmmm, 13th gen i7

[obsidian wigeon]

I know there's mods to widen fov but that was causing headaches

[little osprey]

Flexing material?

[south cliff]

get it it will be so much better

[manic cloak]

anyways a general question, is the fractal north mesh or glass side better?

cause I love the look of the case

[obsidian wigeon]

I prefer north with glass

[little osprey]

Well I was gonna do a 7600X

[manic cloak]

glass looks nice but i'm confused how the air intake works

[south cliff]

well you dont have to swap mobo

[south cliff]

and ram

if you have ddr

4

[little osprey]

I ain’t gonna run a 13700K on a DS3H

🗿

[south cliff]

[little osprey]

Yeah LMAO

[south cliff]

oh

well

[little osprey]

Yeah it’s weird

[south cliff]

i mean i would take the 17 13700k over the 7600x

[little osprey]

I don’t blame you

[south cliff]

why you want amd

[little osprey]

It’d be cheaper than a entire platform change

[obsidian wigeon]

Uh? You can just sell your mobo and grab z690 pro rs

Update bios and boom

[south cliff]

the 13700k is a beast

[little osprey]

My general experience with AMD cards and chips has been pretty good, so I thought I might give the 7000 series a try

[south cliff]

yeah stick with intel and use the money to get a 7000 series card

boom

problem solved

[little osprey]

Is the 13700K really that much of an improvement from a 7600X?

[obsidian wigeon]

7000 series gpus won't be good value lol

[manic cloak]

I just realized the fractal north doesn't support AIO's up to 280, only 240 😬

[south cliff]

more cores and threads

[obsidian wigeon]

Cuz 6000 is still in stock rn

[little osprey]

I was referring to CPU

[paper summit]

Okay change your name back I don't want to get an even worse rep then I alr do

[manic cloak]

6600/6650xt kinda dropped around 20-40$ in price

since the release of the 7600

[little osprey]

I’m probably gonna grab a brand new ASRock 6700 XT

[obsidian wigeon]

Until 6000 stocks run dry, 7000 prices won't fall

[little osprey]

TF DID I DO

[south cliff]

its gets like 5 percent better but the cpu usage is alot lower like 10 percent

[little osprey]

YOU’RE STALKING ME LMA

[paper summit]

It's not what you've done it's what you'll do 🗿

[south cliff]

i would get the 13700k

[manic cloak]

you guys think a 240mm AIO is okay with cooling a 13600k? My dream build kinda lacking the 280mm cause the north doesn't support it 😭

[south cliff]

get the lt 240

[obsidian wigeon]

It's fine

[little osprey]

Perhaps

[manic cloak]

alr alr.

[obsidian wigeon]

240 is okay

[south cliff]

best cooler on the market

ive been told

and it looks really gfood

[obsidian wigeon]

you meant LS/LT520?

[south cliff]

whatever

[obsidian wigeon]

240mm version of the series

[south cliff]

they are supposed to be really good

[manic cloak]

what's it called..?

[south cliff]

LT520

[obsidian wigeon]

Or LS520

There's no LT520 as of current

[south cliff]

yes there is

[obsidian wigeon]

nvm there is lmao

[manic cloak]

ah, 109.99 is crazy ngl

[obsidian wigeon]

I like the LT more but they're the same

Just looks

[south cliff]

well its going to perform really good

or change case and get the 360 mm version

[obsidian wigeon]

Honestly it's not too bad of a price

[south cliff]

yeah i paid like 90 for my used x73

[obsidian wigeon]

LF2 b-stock has run dry

We can't really have aios that cheap anymore rn

[manic cloak]

^

B stock relies on people returning the brand new AIO anyways

[obsidian wigeon]

Thank god it's not like $200 like nzxt krakens

[manic cloak]

plus they charge shipping which kinda evens out the price to a brand new one..

[manic cloak]

god

[south cliff]

i got mine for 90

b stock

x73

off ebay

[manic cloak]

ah I just realized that the fractal north only has a 145mm clearance for air coolers with the mesh

[obsidian wigeon]

Small case

[manic cloak]

cause it's got some bracket to hold up the mesh panel for the side

[manic cloak]

eh it looks big though

[obsidian wigeon]

Well relatively small that is

AIO is your only viable solution then

[manic cloak]

mhm

unless I get those very flat water block thingys you see on YT short pc building 💀

[obsidian wigeon]

Don't delve into custom loops unless you have like $500+ to throw

[manic cloak]

hell no

imagine wasting like that much money

to get the same performance of something which is 100$. Or the fact you spend that much and it breaks like a week later

[obsidian wigeon]

lol yeah

Or you've put it all together and you find a leak

[manic cloak]

yup

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qgJpyK this is kinda my dream build tbh

[fleet heron]

But it looks cool...

[manic cloak]

i'd rather have glowy lights than colored water moving around

[south cliff]

what that case

[manic cloak]

the north

[fleet heron]

Meh

[south cliff]

its good but not in your budget

could use that twords a better monitor or better gpu

[manic cloak]

i mean, just wait till like late q3/early q4 during black friday

[obsidian wigeon]

north is one of those cases where if you have a wife, you can sneak gaming parts into it especially with mesh one

[manic cloak]

it'll go down in price

then price match at microcenter, use a 25$ coupon and boom.

[obsidian wigeon]

cuz it looks like just a classy pc

[manic cloak]

I mean I kinda like it, the gold with wood fronts

[obsidian wigeon]

I do like it too

[manic cloak]

imagine a 360 front with orange set RGB fans

[obsidian wigeon]

Personally I like 4000d more but it looks decent

[fleet heron]

Same I love the 400pd

4000d*

Idk if I'm biased but still

[manic cloak]

I don't like the 4000d tbh

I kinda find it overrated

unless someone sends some cool build with it

[fleet heron]

Yea cases are mainly personal preference

[manic cloak]

otherwise it just doesn't sit with me

[obsidian wigeon]

One thing I find funny though is that nzxt has recently released a lineup of prebuilts that's actually banger value

[fleet heron]

Not cool but

[obsidian wigeon]

Their player lineup

[manic cloak]

no front image 😭

[obsidian wigeon]

Player one, two, three with each having prime version

[south cliff]

my case is the best fr

[fleet heron]

Oh yea, send pic

[manic cloak]

my build atm

[south cliff]

bad glare

but

[manic cloak]

ik hold on

[south cliff]

it has everything on the side

but i broke the power button so i have to turn it on by reaching on the inside

of the button

[fleet heron]

Tuff

[south cliff]

holds 360 mm top and bottom

for only like 60

dollars

[fleet heron]

See your case is broken so the 4000d clearly better

[south cliff]

not bottom

front

[fleet heron]

Ah

Noic noice

[manic cloak]

I love the color and the case, just wish it was a 360 tbh

[fleet heron]

360mm fans?

[south cliff]

DIYPC IDX6-BK-RGB this is my case it cost 64

[manic cloak]

for front ya

[fleet heron]

Ah ic ic

If I would remake my pc I would spend much less on rgb but it's to late to go back lol

My aio was only 100$ less than my cpu

And that says something...

[south cliff]

i wanted my fans to be rgb put i found a pack of like 6 of p12 for 10 dollars refurbished

[fleet heron]

That's a steal!

[manic cloak]

wait I don't know if anyone knows here but the fractal north mesh's only point is to have fans on the side

right?

[fleet heron]

No clue lol

[manic cloak]

TL120s?

3 pack of ARGB thermaltake fans

right*

[fleet heron]

What does argb even mean?

[obsidian wigeon]

Adjustable rgb

With zones of lighting

And many various effects

Normal rgb doesn't allow this

They only allow single color

[fleet heron]

So control of individual leds

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[fleet heron]

Ohhh ic

Yea I've for argb

I think so

[manic cloak]

tbh the TL120's don't have much of a "ARGB" really, I mean you can but it's not the best

[potent portal]

*addressable rgb

[obsidian wigeon]

oop, my bad

[potent portal]

Minor detail, carry on

[manic cloak]

you think it's needed to have a side mesh panel with the north case?

[potent portal]

Needed, probably not unless you have a high end GPU like a 4090

Useful, possibly

[manic cloak]

hmm I see

cause the mesh can only have a 145mm clearance while glass is 170mm

cause of the mounting bracket

[south cliff]

p12 arctic

[potent portal]

You can take off the bracket iirc

[manic cloak]

so i'm really debating if a 13600k + 6800xt (or maybe better cause it's a dream build)

[manic cloak]

the mesh mounts on the bracket

[south cliff]

very good combo

[manic cloak]

i'm saying the fan type

cause those are ARGB for a good price

[south cliff]

yeah but performance over looks

[manic cloak]

also originally the build I have was supposed to be a 12600k + 6650xt

[south cliff]

but i get like 120-150 fps at 1440p on warzone 2

with 12600k and rx 6800

[fleet heron]

Fr?

I've got the 6700 and I think I had gotten an average of 120

[manic cloak]

6650xt, ultra settings, maxing out at 170 at 1080p for COD..

maybe cause it's the highest it can go cause of my monitor lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

Honestly

6800 is likely needless at 1080p but eh

In more demanding games it still has its uses

[manic cloak]

I plan on upgrading to 1440p fyi

[obsidian wigeon]

That's good then

[manic cloak]

I wanted to do it before fathers day but

might have to be during black friday tbh

[potent portal]

By then new GPUs will be out

[manic cloak]

mhm

[obsidian wigeon]

And hopefully old stock won't run dry

[manic cloak]

that's what i'm kinda hoping

[fleet heron]

Whens fathers day!?

[manic cloak]

july 10th?

[fleet heron]

Oh God I gotta check

[manic cloak]

june*

I think

or is it always a month after mothers day?

[potent portal]

AMD's strategy seems to be launching new models as the old models that perform similar are running out

[fleet heron]

Jun 18th

[manic cloak]

that's what both biggest gpu companies are doing rn

[obsidian wigeon]

And then dropping price as old stock runs dry

[fleet heron]

What do you mean by old stock

[obsidian wigeon]

Not the case with Nvidia tho

[manic cloak]

^

[obsidian wigeon]

That never happens

[manic cloak]

like 6000's

[fleet heron]

Oh

Ah

[obsidian wigeon]

As new gpus roll out, old ones are no longer produced

[fleet heron]

Mhm

[obsidian wigeon]

So stock will run out eventually

[fleet heron]

Ye

[manic cloak]

oml

fun.

[fleet heron]

Yea I dislike how we can swear here

Cant

[manic cloak]

basically it costs amd to store the 6000's series and they want to release new GPUs.

[fleet heron]

**

[obsidian wigeon]

No, not costs amd

The aibs

[fleet heron]

Why didn't Amd go in the ai market

[manic cloak]

so they just release series one by one, replacing the 6000's version with the 7000's version

[obsidian wigeon]

AMD merely sells the chips

[obsidian wigeon]

It's because they thought it wasn't a viable market

[fleet heron]

It's such a big market too

Ah

[manic cloak]

i mean they'd be in the bottom of it tbh

[obsidian wigeon]

Didn't realize it'd explode into such lengths

[potent portal]

They're focusing on other markets, they only just caught up in gaming

[manic cloak]

cause there's so much AI

[obsidian wigeon]

But to be fair

[manic cloak]

what they gotta focus on is the car market

[obsidian wigeon]

Their upcoming Instinct accelerators are focusing on AI

[manic cloak]

AMD stuff inside electric cars n etc?

[potent portal]

What they're focusing on is the console market tbh

[manic cloak]

oh ya

[obsidian wigeon]

Car market is honestly not that big of a deal

[manic cloak]

didn't they release the handheld thingy

[fleet heron]

Bit late for ai no? Nvidea has it on lockdown lol

[manic cloak]

no wait

that was asus

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah asus

[manic cloak]

but it had the amd chip

[potent portal]

Steam deck also

[obsidian wigeon]

The ally

[fleet heron]

Steam decks are so overrated

[vague oracle]

I’m still pissed about Nvidia’s stock

Bruh

[fleet heron]

Why!?

[obsidian wigeon]

Deck is genuinely good tho

[potent portal]

Almost every handheld console except the Switch is AMD powered

[fleet heron]

I made so much money I think

[obsidian wigeon]

Nvidia stocks be shooting up with AI market

[fleet heron]

Yessir

[vague oracle]

I sold it 2 hours before it jumped in price

[potent portal]

Meanwhile they're losing 30% of the gaming market

[obsidian wigeon]

rip

Also honestly they don't care

Gains in AI covers up that loss

[potent portal]

Yeah AI is just too damn valuable

[manic cloak]

ok so, I found out that you can have 170mm of clearance with the mesh panel I think, just you can't put any fans in

[vague oracle]

I saw it jumped like 10% after hours so I assumed it was going to crash

[obsidian wigeon]

I mean that's fair

Not being greedy is better

[fleet heron]

Their market cap Is reaching
1 00 000 000 000

[obsidian wigeon]

1T for short

[fleet heron]

I took my time with the number and still got if wrong

[manic cloak]

does anyone know if any fractal cases come with a fan hub?

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

North afaik does come with one

[fleet heron]

And I can't even spell

[potent portal]

Torrent does

[manic cloak]

what about north?

[obsidian wigeon]

Oh only for torrent

[potent portal]

Make sure they're 4 pin fans

[obsidian wigeon]

Fractal south when

[manic cloak]

I wanna put ARGB fans inside the north but like..

[potent portal]

Yes the North has a hub, some people said they didn't get it though

[manic cloak]

it does?

[potent portal]

It's only a 4 fan hub though

[manic cloak]

I mean ARGB should be fine.. right?

the TL120's

[potent portal]

Typically you can chain about 6 fans to one header

[manic cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BKKFBR9R/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_10?smid=A1BCKG4OE2CKC4&psc=1

[manic cloak]

are these daisy chainable? ^

[fleet heron]

Don't think so

Normally cheaper fans are not daisy chaneavle

[manic cloak]

I mean connecting each one to the fan hub wouldn't be a problem right?

[obsidian wigeon]

They could be daisy chained

[fleet heron]

That's what I did

[obsidian wigeon]

I see a splitter in reviews

tbh daisy chaining is basically obligatory for budget orientated brands

Like deepcool, thermalright and stuff

[manic cloak]

well I just noticed that the glass case for the north doesn't include a fan hub

while the mesh does

[obsidian wigeon]

That's pretty weird

[manic cloak]

that's pretty crappy ngl

[fleet heron]

Deepcool a budget brand?

[manic cloak]

I mean

[fleet heron]

Daym

[obsidian wigeon]

Well I mean yes, in a sense

[manic cloak]

is it worth to buy the glass and just a seperate fan hub?

[obsidian wigeon]

They make great value stuff

Also tbh, personally I would say nah

[fleet heron]

I think that their pricing Is just really good

[manic cloak]

idk how you'd mount or where to mount a fan hub in a case that it doesn't belong in

[obsidian wigeon]

Just use daisy chain

And a couple headers on the board

That'll work just fine

rgb however is another problem to worry

So rgb hub will be needed

[fleet heron]

Wait does daisy chaning mean putting all the fans into a hub?

[manic cloak]

when I daisy chain or use the north fan hub?

[fleet heron]

Ah nvm

[obsidian wigeon]

Daisy chaining simply means connecting fans in a chain

[manic cloak]

it's like extension outlets

you plug one into the wall, then plug another extension inside another extension outlet

[fleet heron]

So the software detects them in a certain pattern?

[fleet heron]

Ah, 8 see

I*

[obsidian wigeon]

The software detects the fans as one whole array

But it shouldn't matter anyway, airflow doesn't really matter too much if the fans are the same

[fleet heron]

Oh

[obsidian wigeon]

Trade individual fan control for no need for hub

Hub will allow you to connect and control each fans

[manic cloak]

• unless you're weird, you don't need to have like one middle fan red and the other green or whatever

aswell as have one spin faster than another

[manic cloak]

but yk if the north's fan hub is RGB?

[obsidian wigeon]

I don't see argb being daisy chainable in this

[obsidian wigeon]

Nope

4 pin pwm hub

[manic cloak]

ah

[obsidian wigeon]

It's merely for powering the fans

[manic cloak]

so i'd have to buy a separate fan hub..

[obsidian wigeon]

Not argb

An argb hub specifically

[manic cloak]

wanna link me one?

[obsidian wigeon]

You could find em for like $10

[manic cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CH13K2M/ref=twister_B0C68MQ33M?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

this?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

[manic cloak]

wait

[obsidian wigeon]

That one

[manic cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SZBJ5JZ/ref=twister_B0C68MQ33M?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

[obsidian wigeon]

Same thing too

[manic cloak]

wait

does the weird looking one have more ports?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

10

The black is 8

[manic cloak]

what's the difference except for that then

[obsidian wigeon]

None lol

The 10 argb port one is ironically cheaper

I'd get that one

Not like you're gonna see it anyway

[manic cloak]

hmm it says the black one is magnetic

[obsidian wigeon]

Ah magnetic

That's nifty

[fleet heron]

Is the 6650xt worse or better than the 6700xt gaming wise

[obsidian wigeon]

I guess that's why price is higher

[obsidian wigeon]

In vram bound scenario, the 6700xt wins big time

[fleet heron]

I'm assuming worse although very simmilar right?

[obsidian wigeon]

If not, they're like 10% apart

[fleet heron]

Ah ic

[manic cloak]

ya 6650xt is powerful but it lacks vram

[fleet heron]

Like the 4060

[manic cloak]

oml

[fleet heron]

Overall from the videos I've seen the 4060 is generally not good right?

[obsidian wigeon]

The cards being priced closely makes me suggest 6700xt over 6650xt

4060 is terrible

Don't ever fall trap and buy it

[fleet heron]

How about the 4070

[obsidian wigeon]

4070 is ok

But wrong price

[fleet heron]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

That 3060ti, as bad as it is, is a far better buy than the 4060 ti

The ventus one

[obsidian wigeon]

Offers 3080 perf with less consumption, the 4070

[fleet heron]

Ah

And similar pricing I think

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah, $100 less than 3080

[fleet heron]

Also dlls 3.0 not sure if the 3080 supports it

[obsidian wigeon]

Shoulda been $500 but alas

[manic cloak]

you think about it, amd has the advantage rn for their 7000’s series

[obsidian wigeon]

Nah

DLSS 3 is for 40 only

[fleet heron]

Ah ic

[obsidian wigeon]

And future gpus

[south cliff]

?

[fleet heron]

Another selling point

[obsidian wigeon]

7600 is an ok buy even rn

$269 msrp lol

[fleet heron]

269 usd?

[south cliff]

intel got best for budget gamers

[obsidian wigeon]

OOS in many places atm though

Yes usd

[fleet heron]

That's crazy my 6700 Is 500 caf

Cad*

[south cliff]

100 for a 12100f or 13100f is super good for what you get

[obsidian wigeon]

Arc is still iffy, but A750 has dropped to $199

[manic cloak]

they can learn from what nivida did.

[south cliff]

gpus?

[manic cloak]

yuh

[fleet heron]

I've never seen someone truly use a intel gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes we're talking gpus

[south cliff]

mb

[fleet heron]

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

Intel gpu is basically a niche rn

[south cliff]

but amd should put 3d cache on the gpus

[fleet heron]

Def

[obsidian wigeon]

For people who's brave enough

[south cliff]

i mean for the 1-2 year of making them there not that bad

[obsidian wigeon]

tbh A750 being at $200 tempts me

[fleet heron]

What do you have currently?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes but I'm simply stating a fact

[cyan ravine]

A750 and 6600 at 200 and 180 are hella nice

[obsidian wigeon]

Intel won't give up so soon

Battlemage is in the works

[cyan ravine]

7600 at 270 is like a close 3rd

[obsidian wigeon]

Arc B750?

[south cliff]

no i think they will make the best budget gpus soon

intel

[obsidian wigeon]

A is for Alchemist, B for Battlemage

[south cliff]

they dont need to make high end cards

nvidia

is to far ahead

[obsidian wigeon]

A naming that actually makes sense somehow

[cyan ravine]

C is for celestial

D is for darkmage

[fleet heron]

What about d 0-0

Ah

Ic

[cyan ravine]

E is for

Uhhhh

E is for

[fleet heron]

Electronically enclined episodes

Idk why I said that but I did

[obsidian wigeon]

E, Elemental?

[cyan ravine]

Elementalist!

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

[cyan ravine]

F is for finally the bit is over

[fleet heron]

Idek what you guys are saying but I'm totally for it

[obsidian wigeon]

I mean I honestly am ok with Intel choosing to name gpus like this

Better than numbers

Radeon 7600 and R5 7600

Really?

[fleet heron]

Lol

We all have a special part in our hearts for intel

[manic cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SZBJ5JZ/ref=twister_B0C68MQ33M?_encoding=UTF8&th=1 it says on this one "Small body, large capacity. Multi line management and control, keep the cables neat, support ARGB fan, ARGB light bar, etc., and synchronize the light efficiency of 5V 3pin interface equipment. (Note: the + 12V 4Pin RGB interface device is not supported! Do not insert! Please pay attention to the arrow marked on the ARGB equipment plug and insert it in the direction of 5V. If the insertion direction is wrong, there is a risk of damaging the equipment.)"

does that mean argb 4 pin isn't supported?

[obsidian wigeon]

RGB is 3 pin

Sorry, 4

ARGB is 3

And I've checked, the fans you plan to get uses ARGB

3 pin

[manic cloak]

confused

is argb 4 or 3?

[obsidian wigeon]

It will take your fans

3

[manic cloak]

alr.

[obsidian wigeon]

rgb is 4

[manic cloak]

ok ok that helps alot.

[obsidian wigeon]

If you plug 3 into 4, watch the leds fry

[manic cloak]

but is that fan hub good? I think it says something about uhhh

[obsidian wigeon]

It is good

[manic cloak]

Support fan speed reading and PWM Fan regulation. (due to the limitation of PWM mainboard IC reading principle, only the speed of a single fan inserted into the red interface is recognized).

[obsidian wigeon]

That's simply some translation error I'm guessing

[manic cloak]

I mean that's fine but like, idk if it's concerning still.

[obsidian wigeon]

But it will work

[manic cloak]

got it.

[fleet heron]

Please talk. I need entertainment

Amreacabdrea!!!

[fleet heron]

Definitely didn't work

Does Microsoft want to buy Activision?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[fleet heron]

Daym

Yea just searched it up

70 billion

Lotta money lol

[untold vessel]

Sweet. What kind of games do you play, and what resolution do you play them in?

Just got the older version too! The attachments are amazing!

[limber oyster]

So...I was told to come up with a list of three new possible router/modems. I have one already. I just need to find a top of the line, best money can buy model, and one that's your average run of the mill version. Needs to be able to cover 3000 SQ ft and be wifi 6 capable

[earnest olive]

glad they're working for you

[broken lake]

Fps games and usually as high as I possibly can

[untold vessel]

Are you experiencing any performance issues or lag when you’re playing with your 1080ti?

[grim osprey]

Aye I need some help Bois

Changed the cpu fan and lights and fans don’t turn on everything has power to it though

[stoic island]

Does it boot?

[grim osprey]

No

I checked all power connections usb ports have power

Everything else got power

I don’t know what’s wrong with it

Got any ideas?

[earnest olive]

did you touch anything else besides the cpu fan?

do you mean you literally only swapped the fan? or the whole cooler

[grim osprey]

The whole cooler

[earnest olive]

hm okay

what cooler?

what cpu?

[grim osprey]

I went back to the stock cooler on a ryzen 5

[earnest olive]

did you remove the cpu from the socket at any point? accidentally? i know it's common to pull ryzen cpus out of the socket by accident

[grim osprey]

I had a cooler master and my dog ended up pulling the computer off the desk so it broke the fan on the thing so I went without the fan for a while and the computer worked but I went back to the stock one to hopefully get it to cool down

[earnest olive]

💀

[grim osprey]

I can check

[earnest olive]

you had the heatsink on right? just the fan was broken?

[grim osprey]

Yes

[earnest olive]

okay good LOL

[grim osprey]

Lemme check cpu

[earnest olive]

yeah i'd reseat it first

assuming you touched nothing else

did you notice hearing a click or anything when you try to power it on?

[grim osprey]

No

[earnest olive]

hmm okay

[stoic island]

Does the motherboard have debug LEDs?

[earnest olive]

i was thinking the other possibility is that the fan is causing a short

debug leds won't do anything when there's no sign of life

if fans don't start spinning then the POST process is not starting

[grim osprey]

Found issue

[earnest olive]

oof

[stoic island]

Oof

[earnest olive]

yeah that doesn't look correctly mounted either

at least it looks like you managed to not destroy your pins

do you have dental floss?

[grim osprey]

Somewhere

[earnest olive]

you could use some floss to try to separate it more safely

or just twist it off with your fingers, but be careful with the pins

[grim osprey]

All right

[earnest olive]

man, i'm so glad AMD is using LGA and a real socket now

[stoic island]

They just need better stock paste...

[earnest olive]

unfortunately this issue is still going to happen for years until AM4 stops being relevant

[stoic island]

Dunno how USB ports have power though lol

[earnest olive]

well

the issue is clearly that the cpu was not correctly installed

cpu not correctly installed would cause POST to not begin, but wouldn't affect standby power

that's why that was my first guess

[stoic island]

Fun

[earnest olive]

[grim osprey]

Issue

How do I put a cpu in it’s the only thing I had someone do for me

[earnest olive]

did you manage to separate it?

[grim osprey]

Yes

[earnest olive]

do you see the golden arrow on the bottom

[grim osprey]

Pins all good

[earnest olive]

now look at the socket, do you see the little arrow indent in it?

triangular shaped arrow

lining those up will tell you the correct orientation

so once you have the correct orientation you just need to lightly drop it in

if it doesn't go in by itself don't use force

or else you will no longer have a working cpu

[grim osprey]

It’s in

I appreciate it

[earnest olive]

okay now mount the cooler again and hopefully it works

recommend putting new paste on it

[grim osprey]

Do I let thermal paste dry first before setting it

[earnest olive]

no

[grim osprey]

Is that where I messed up

Oh ok

[earnest olive]

you should not reuse paste

[grim osprey]

I didn’t

I used new paste

[earnest olive]

unless you're remounting on top of paste that was applied 5 minutes ago, sometimes it's okay

but it's better to clean off the paste and apply fresh paste when mounting a new cooler

[stoic island]

Your paste shouldn't dry out when you're applying it

[grim osprey]

Ok

I appreciate y’all

I’ll lyk if it turns on now

[earnest olive]

good luck

[grim osprey]

It keeps coming off

Which side does gold triangle go

[earnest olive]

umm

i think you're having trouble mounting your cooler because the backplate has fallen out

[grim osprey]

Ik that

I’m trying to put cpu back

[earnest olive]

the triangle on the cpu should align with the triangle on the socket

[grim osprey]

Which sides dat

Could u tell?

[earnest olive]

alternatively just put it in so that the text is facing the left

in the same direction as "SOCKET AM4" on the socket

[grim osprey]

I can’t get it on

It keeps coming out

On cooler

[obsidian wigeon]

Have you pulled the lever next to cpu socket up?

Oh nvm, it already is up

[grim osprey]

No shot I did it

Idk if it works but fans are on

[obsidian wigeon]

Is there any debug leds lit on the board?

[grim osprey]

It doesn’t work

Fans on now

At least

Idk lemme check

Don’t think my mother board has debug light

[obsidian wigeon]

They're usually on the top right

[grim osprey]

Nope

[obsidian wigeon]

Which board do you have?

[grim osprey]

Now the usb ports don’t have power and no display

Gigabyte b450m

[obsidian wigeon]

which exact model?

[grim osprey]

Not sure lemme look

That one

The dash

Cpu isn’t all the way in

[obsidian wigeon]

Welp

Try checking if there's any bent pins on the cpu

[grim osprey]

Nope but there’s thermal paste

On cpu pin

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep, that's your problem then

Remove the paste on the pins

You could use isopropyl alcohol

[grim osprey]

All pins bent now

😀😀

I appreciate y’all though

I’ll have to go buy a cpu soon

I’ll let someone do it for me 😂

[cyan ravine]

Ah jeez

@grim osprey can you send a pic of the CPU

The beauty of am4 is if it's not bad, some really delicate hands can repair the pins

You have to be very careful tho, like featherlight touch about it

[grim osprey]

A lot are bent

Like 20 at least

Can’t really get a good pic

But pretty much all corners

And outside one

Ones

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that would be a good half day of work to fix

What ryzen is it

[grim osprey]

5

[cyan ravine]

By the way I would suggest buying a cheap ssd heatsink for this 980 pro ssd you got

[grim osprey]

5600g

[cyan ravine]

Ah oof

[grim osprey]

Yeah

I have a ryzen 3 3100

I can use if

Ig

[cyan ravine]

You could but that will be a significant step down

[grim osprey]

Yeah no kidding

[cyan ravine]

So catch me up on what was happening

[grim osprey]

I had to change cpu fans

Cpu came off on the new cooler I tried to put on

And kept doing it

I bent pins

[cyan ravine]

Yes, typical am4 issue

[grim osprey]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

I've had that happen to me too

And if the paste is old it STICKS

Like cement

Were you trying to install the cooler with the pc lying down?

[grim osprey]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

So was it just not screwing into the backplate or was the backplate loose?

[grim osprey]

Back plate doesn’t screw into motherboard so it’s always loose

[cyan ravine]

Ah, and it was giving you trouble yea?

[grim osprey]

Ye

[cyan ravine]

Yeah ok, I can see how this played out

[grim osprey]

😂

[earnest olive]

the easiest way to do this is to take the motherboard out and rest it on a box so you can make the box hold the backplate in

[cyan ravine]

I've been through this first hand

[grim osprey]

😂

I’ll just get a new cpu probably

[cyan ravine]

You have a gpu yea?

[earnest olive]

AM4, legendary socket but crappy socket design

[grim osprey]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

Then go 5600

[grim osprey]

I got a 3060

[cyan ravine]

You won't need a g

[vague oracle]

AM4 vs LG1700, which is the worse socket design

[cyan ravine]

And ds3h is a bit cringe on power delivery for am4

[obsidian wigeon]

Or if you want a cheap replacement with same perf

[grim osprey]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

5600 is an actual upgrade

[obsidian wigeon]

There is 5500

[cyan ravine]

Now

Before you go buy it

[obsidian wigeon]

But 5600 is also not expensive

[cyan ravine]

You have a mission

[vague oracle]

5600 is probably your best bet

[grim osprey]

I gotta wait like a week or 2

Prolly

[cyan ravine]

Go buy double sided tape strips

[earnest olive]

I think LGA1700 is probably still the worse design compared to AM4 when considering the average user that won't know about contact frame

[cyan ravine]

And attach it to the backplate and motherboard

[grim osprey]

Ight

I got u

[earnest olive]

the failure of AM4 is more catastrophic but less likely to come up compared to LGA1700

[cyan ravine]

It'll hold it in place, and there's no real risk to it

[grim osprey]

Ima stick this damn 3100 on ig

[earnest olive]

but LGA1700 scores a point for being much easier to fix

[grim osprey]

Will it work or do I have to mess with wiping stuff

[cyan ravine]

Yea hold on

Before we jump to that

For now, you can prop the backplate up in place

[earnest olive]

don't break the backup cpu too

[grim osprey]

😂

[cyan ravine]

Find something that works, like a book

[grim osprey]

I got the tape no worries

[cyan ravine]

Or a few books

Ah I see

[grim osprey]

I should’ve used it in the first place

[cyan ravine]

Nah man, there's no manual on dodgy stuff like this

Manus use double sided tape but they don't recommend it to anyone who needs it

[earnest olive]

I prefer not to tape backplates and just hold them in place until screws can hold them

[grim osprey]

I tried

That’s how I broke

[earnest olive]

I've had to remove a taped backplate before, it's not fun

[cyan ravine]

It's a 65w cpu so the tape is fine

[earnest olive]

nah that's not the issue

the issue is removing it lol

[cyan ravine]

If you can otherwise use books if it's still giving you trouble

[earnest olive]

I prefer just propping it up on something yeah

[cyan ravine]

The you can prop the plate up and then you've got two hands to carefully put the cpu in

[earnest olive]

don't even need to remove motherboard if you have an appropriately sized object to fit within the case's backplate cutout size

[cyan ravine]

Either way will work cos you have an extra hand to be careful about it

And some double sided tape is insanely strong and almost permanent

[earnest olive]

can just rest the case on its side on that object

yeah

that's what I don't like

[cyan ravine]

As for the 5600g...

[earnest olive]

nothing in pc building should be permanent if it can be avoided

[cyan ravine]

You could try to repair it, or take it somewhere where they might want to repair it for a small fee

[earnest olive]

sell the 5600g on hws or ebay for cheap, some people like buying these bent pin cpus to repair them

grab a 5600 non-g

[cyan ravine]

If you succeed it's a much smaller loss cos you can resell it ( you don't need a g cpu anyway)

Either way my hearts out for you man @grim osprey

I can understand if you're frustrated or want to vent a little

Lol

[grim osprey]

Lmao

I’m mad

But it’s ok

I understand stuff breaks

Especially if you’re not a professional

[cyan ravine]

It's repairable tho

Albeit the situation is not great, it can be recovered

[grim osprey]

I did run out of thermal paste

[cyan ravine]

Oof, need some more of that too then lol

[grim osprey]

Ima give up for rn lmao

[cyan ravine]

Mx4 arctic or mx6

It's like

$5 for a tube

[earnest olive]

if it makes you feel any better

[cyan ravine]

Some of the best stuff

[grim osprey]

If y’all will dm if y’all are ok with helping later

[earnest olive]

I'm technically a professional and I accidentally drilled a hole into a 3090 because I had the bright idea of trying to mod it while I was sick

[grim osprey]

😂

[earnest olive]

back during the height of the shortage when that thing was worth $2500

[grim osprey]

Lmao

That’s an l

[earnest olive]

we all mess up sometimes

some mess ups are larger than others

[grim osprey]

Very true

[cyan ravine]

Just drop a message in here later, we have quite a few helping hands, and you've got the solution to the troubles you had earlier

[grim osprey]

Ok

I appreciate y’all I’m gonna try and get some thermal paste

[cyan ravine]

It's AM4 teething. You're definitely not alone

[earnest olive]

your local best buy (US) or similar retailer in other countries will probably have some selection of thermal paste if you want to do this without waiting for shipping

might cost more but if you want your pc running today might be worth

then again, you can also get away with not using thermal paste as a temporary solution

will be less bad than the cooler with no fan anyways

I've done plenty of power on tests with no thermal paste

[obsidian wigeon]

run with toothpaste

[earnest olive]

no

the cpu hungers for mustard

[grim osprey]

😅

Appreciate it but I’ll wait I should get a paycheck this week

[untold vessel]

Alrighty Tech Wizards, I need your expertise on what the best use of money would be to upgrade one of my current systems:

[CPU] Intel i5-11400F
[GPU] EVGA 3070 FTW3 ULTRA
[RAM] oLoy Blade 16 GB 3200Mhz CL18

GOAL OF UPGRADE: To play Cyberpunk 2077 in 4k at Max Settings (using DLSS Ultra Performance Mode) and gain much higher framerates.
(Currently sitting at 50-65 FPS at 4k Max Settings using DLSS Ultra Performance Mode)

Current decided upgrade: None, but thinking of spending a quick $50 on upgrading RAM just like what we did with my friend’s build from a couple of days ago. Currently thought-of upgrade: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092ZCVHS8?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US

More Information: The first thing that comes to my mind is to save money to buy a better GPU, but I would be happy with a more immediate performance increase. Am I better of dealing with 50-65 FPS and waiting for a 5090, or should I drop a quick $50 right now for a boost? —More on the $50 “boost”, just how much of a boost would I gain? Should I really just save my money and wait?

More Information Pt. 2: If I truly do go through with a quick “mini” upgrade, I’d love to spend a couple more bucks on RGB RAM. I love the look of my current oLoy Blade RAM. It’s so seamless and glossy.

[gentle pollen]

From personal experience going from 16GB 3000cl16 to 32gb 3932cl16 ram only offered around a 10-15 frames increase at 1080p

stutters aren't nearly as bad but not really worth the upgrade unless your goal is reduced stutters.

[untold vessel]

I do notice that I have many Lag spikes and screen tearing. Would upgrading my RAM improve that?

[gentle pollen]

Screen tearing is gpu related.

Lag spikes would be ram.

Also at 3200cl16 you won't notice a difference.

[untold vessel]

Whenever I turn down my resolution or settings, though— I get neither. Would a RAM upgrade show a noticeable increase in a every day performance?

[gentle pollen]

If your goal is reduced lag spikes with a noticable difference you'd want around 4000cl18 and try tune it to 4000cl16 or better.

[untold vessel]

Sometimes when going through parts of the city or during particularly hard rendering areas I get dips of -20 to -35 FPS. Is that still RAM related?

[gentle pollen]

Mostly gpu.

gpu/cpu.

Ram would help but not a lot.

I run a 5700G + 3070 combo so pretty similar to yours.

[untold vessel]

Figures! I’m happy with my Chrome Tab performance if we’re talking about anything else RAM related. RAM upgrades would probably show minimal returns in my case

[gentle pollen]

yeah.

[untold vessel]

Unless I do this 4000MHZ at CL16? (I heard that RAM upgrades become less and less effective at any resolution past 1080p, though)

[gentle pollen]

I upgrade my ram due to Blender and the goal of having reduced stutters.

[gentle pollen]

4000cl16 is where it made a noticable difference for situations where ram was the bottleneck.

If your bottleneck isn't ram then yes faster ram won't make a big difference.

[untold vessel]

Got it! In my case, though— It’s pretty much looking like saving for the 5090 is my go-to, then

Hopefully 50 series is just of good of a value as 30 was (pre-price-gouging)

[gentle pollen]

To run a 5090 properly or a 4090 your gonna need a top end cpu or you'll be severely bottlenecked.

[untold vessel]

Ooooh, you’re right. i5-1x-600K+, at the minimum, right?

[gentle pollen]

Currently every cpu bottlenecks a 4090 in resolutions below 4k.

[untold vessel]

Even the i9-13900KS?!

[gentle pollen]

yep.

Even that.

[untold vessel]

And only at 4K does the GPU start to bottleneck?

[gentle pollen]

4090 is meant for 4k. Anything sub-4k will have a cpu bottleneck.

[untold vessel]

If I had a 13900KS and a 4090 right now, playing at my 4K, max everything settings, which would be the bottleneck?

[gentle pollen]

1440P Ultrawide might work if you have the highest end cpu.

[gentle pollen]

None.

[untold vessel]

Thought about it before! Too bad that there’s no true 4K ultrawides. Too small of a market

[gentle pollen]

But yeah you'd be best off saving up around to do a cpu and gpu upgrade for like a 5090 and a top end chip if your goal is to have the best 4k experience.

I am currently doing the same.

[untold vessel]

Would I need a motherboard upgrade too, then?

[gentle pollen]

Saving up 4.5k to do a dream build when 5090 and 8950x comes out.

[gentle pollen]

Yes.

[untold vessel]

Welp

[untold vessel]

Full system needs an upgrade then, haha

[gentle pollen]

I feel you there.

[untold vessel]

By that time we’re going to have 8K lmfao

[gentle pollen]

I am in the same boat. No matter what I upgrade something's gonna be a bottleneck at the moment so I am just gonna do a full new system.

[gentle pollen]

Or better yet high refresh 4k.

[untold vessel]

can’t wait to see my future kids play in their 64K VR insertable contact lenses when I have them

[gentle pollen]

lmao.

[untold vessel]

With neuralink thought-based controls

[gentle pollen]

I think it was either 8 or 12k where the retina can no longer see the pixels no matter how hard you try.

[untold vessel]

Even on these theoretical contact lenses, you think?

[gentle pollen]

I am honestly tempted to get a neuralink once those have had some time to age well.

[gentle pollen]

think so.

can't say for sure.

[untold vessel]

Because these would be TOUCHING your eyes

This is all so neat and expansive

Pong needs an 8K remake

[gentle pollen]

.....

[untold vessel]

Me too!

[gentle pollen]

Monkey plays pong in 12k 500hz.

then attains world record as best pong player

[untold vessel]

Pato!

[gentle pollen]

Welp I hope I was able to help you out. But yeah best off saving for a cpu or gpu upgrade vs ram.

[untold vessel]

Thanks again, Apex!

[fossil cedar]

Btw 5090 isn't gonna be for another 2 years give or take, and you're usually better off doing something like a 6950xt (if you don't wanna do rt) or a 4070ti then another 600-800$ card in 2 years time, you'll spend a lot less because you can sell the card for maybe 400 or something and get the best of both worlds and the 600-800$ card will probably outclass a 4090

[gentle pollen]

Thanks for the insight, Pato.

[untold vessel]

So, right now, if I have the funds, get a much nicer, temporary GPU upgrade with the 4070ti, and then buy the 5080 with selling my 4070ti + extra cash?

[fossil cedar]

Something like that

Is what I'd recommend

Better value

[untold vessel]

Thanks Pato!

[fossil cedar]

Or whatever ungodly name they give the 7900xtx replacement next gen

[gentle pollen]

Radeon Star Tech 79000xtXtx Extreme Edition Discrete Graphics Card

[untold vessel]

Good God

[gentle pollen]

lmao

[fossil cedar]

Nono RX 8950xtx pro max ultra

[paper summit]

@analog hearth WOOOO you got the 6800xt 🎉

How is it man

[analog hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/upgrades-robots-gif-21291099

haven’t done much with it yet

[paper summit]

Looks good

I'm sure you'll be happy with it

[analog hearth]

my system is now better than my boss’s

he has the same GPU but with a 5900X

[obsidian wolf]

how worth it yah think?

[paper summit]

What cpu do u have?

[analog hearth]

13700K

[obsidian wolf]

for the looks at this point also to solve a little bit of an overheating issue...

[analog hearth]

it’s choking on 16GB though (I need more memory)

[paper summit]

Oh damnnn

[paper summit]

This is a sin

[analog hearth]

it was a Micro Center bundle

i7, Z790 DDR5 board, and 16GB of memory for $550

[grim mural]

Question, how do you all cable manage pc--->monitors/accessories/related systems?

[analog hearth]

I misread the bundle description. It thought it said I get 16GB or memory. It probably said 16GBx2 or something

[paper summit]

Hmm

[grim mural]

I guess context is Im going to be putting my new pc together and am getting a different desk, but I have a cat.. aka cable muncher cord breaker.. Just curious what others do

[analog hearth]

search "cable sleeve" on Amazon

[crimson sonnet]

Hey guys my computer green screen crashed and idk what to do, it wont post now

Ive unplugged the display cables, unplugged battery for a few minutes, and tried to hard boot

Cables seem to be fine, but I literally cant get it to post

[stoic island]

Got any debug LEDs?

[dusty cedar]

get rid of the cat

[potent portal]

Braided cables and double sided tape

Most cats don't like to chew braided cables and they REALLY don't like tape

[earnest olive]

what gpu?

were you overclocking it?

green screen tends to be a catastrophic gpu failure from my experience

so if you weren't overclocking it and it green screened then it's probably a vram failure or something

which is why it's not posting

[potent portal]

Unless it's the green screen of death

Which is for insider builds

[earnest olive]

ahh true i forgot about that

i was thinking full solid green screen

[earnest olive]

when i was overclocking my rx 570, i got a green screen and the driver was completely corrupted after rebooting

had to DDU it

crashed so hard it went back to microsoft basic display adapter

lmao

i managed to make my 3080 red screen, green screen, and blue screen

a different kind of graphics card RGB...

[potent portal]

Impressive

[earnest olive]

filled out the whole pokedex

green and blue screens were from extremely unstable vram oc in windows

red screen was from exteremely unstable vram oc in linux

[potent portal]

I like when vram errors happen and textures fly across the map while still attached to something so they stretch on the vertexes

Keeps me on my toes, never know when that pesky raider will suddenly turn into an eldritch horror

[earnest olive]

lol