building-and-recc-chat

[hazy surge]

Determines a lot of the rest

[mossy venture]

Yes it is, id wait for fal or someone to give info on it

[hazy surge]

Oh mk

[mossy venture]

Bad psu can kill a whole pc

[hazy surge]

Also which one is better amd or Intel?

[mossy venture]

Neither

[hazy surge]

I see

[mossy venture]

Both have benefits

[hazy surge]

Oh rlly?

Ok

[potent portal]

A bad power supply will literally catch fire, or worse, subtly ruin your system over time making you replace all the other parts trying to figure out the problem

[mossy venture]

5600 is good budget, 13100/12100f good lower budget

[hazy surge]

Wait so how do I tell a bad and a good psu

[potent portal]

Absolutely no need for a XTX here

[mossy venture]

13400f good middle of the road, 13600k beats 7600 and 7700x and cosf less including mobo costs. 7800x3d is the best gaming cpu though

[mossy venture]

Yeah good point, left it in since they said they want to spend close to $2500. But yeah its super overkill for your use case

Could go down to 7900xt, 6950xt, 6900xt, etc, anything similar

[potent portal]

Even a 6800XT/3080

[mossy venture]

3080 is $365 less

Wait, 4070 is 425 less

Cheaper than the 3080

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah 4070 option better in this case

more vram for less, same perf

[potent portal]

Same perf for cheaper, plus new features

I think that speaks volumes on how the 4070's reception has been

[obsidian wigeon]

and reflects its poor sales

[potent portal]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

You'd want a B tier minimum for a 13900k/4070 build like was suggested

Although I'd do the 7800X3D if you can find a prebuilt with one. Better than the 13900k at gaming for cheaper and less power.

[hazy surge]

So basically I should be getting one of these?

[vague oracle]

All core workload over here so 7950x is perfect for me

[obsidian wigeon]

B tier is plenty

also no need for atx 3.0

[hazy surge]

Can I play and clip Val apex and forza on these?

If so that’s all I wanted to know

[obsidian wigeon]

yes it will be able to do it all well

[hazy surge]

OH BET THEN

buying one of them tmrw

I’ll decide which one is better

Been waiting for this moment forever

[cyan ravine]

Hello sir, for 2.5 grand you could build literally the fastest pc in the world
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgZZ6r

[hazy surge]

Oh really?

[cyan ravine]

Nothing will beat this

[hazy surge]

There are so many recommendations I’m overwhelmed lmao

[cyan ravine]

If anything you upgrade the SSD for 80$, maybe look at wifi for another $20

[hazy surge]

Idk which one is best

[cyan ravine]

This one

It's the fastest

Lol

[hazy surge]

I wanna get one where I can run Val apex and forza on decent graphics but get lots of fps

And clip

[cyan ravine]

You could do literally anything you wanted with it

[hazy surge]

Is it better than this?

[cyan ravine]

It's the best, so it'll do it all lol

[hazy surge]

Wait why don’t ppl just get that then

[cyan ravine]

Yes, by a good margin

[hazy surge]

If it’s that price

[cyan ravine]

Cos it takes practice to find the money shot

💀

[hazy surge]

Oh

I can run forza smoothly with it?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[hazy surge]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

Compared to the XTX build you're looking at a good 20% ish increase in fps

[hazy surge]

Oh wow

[cyan ravine]

Ask me anything I own all this hardware lol

[hazy surge]

Oh alright

[cyan ravine]

This build you would run at either, 1440p 360hz, or 4K 120Hz+

[hazy surge]

Ah

Wait

Is it windows 10 or 11

[cyan ravine]

Whichever you want lol

Won't make it better or worse

[hazy surge]

?

[lyric thistle]

They seriously need to stop naming computer parts

[hazy surge]

I thought one is already built in

I want to stay at 10

11 too complex for me not used to it

[cyan ravine]

Oh no you'd need to install it

[hazy surge]

I wanna stay simple

[hazy surge]

Oh

[mossy venture]

for w10 it's not a good idea to go 13th gen. But coming from someone who went to w11 and did not want to, they're near identical

[cyan ravine]

You can install 10

[hazy surge]

So I can install 10? For free or pay extra

[cyan ravine]

You can

for free

[hazy surge]

All the other ones had an option that makes u pay 100-200

[cyan ravine]

I'm not allowed to say how

[hazy surge]

Oh..

[mossy venture]

you can, but it doesn't have an ecore scheduler

[cyan ravine]

It does now

[mossy venture]

oh it does?

that's sick

[hazy surge]

Is this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgZZ6r

Better than the one u sent

[mossy venture]

then yeah, you can do w10 for free

[cyan ravine]

In fact w10 runs all chips better than win 11

[mossy venture]

i wouldn't exactly trust that psu with a 4090

[hazy surge]

Felix said it’s the fastest

Pc ever

[hazy surge]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

Eh it's a 88w cpu

[mossy venture]

I'd spend $20 extra for an extra 100w https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tWMTwP/cooler-master-mwe-gold-850-v2-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpe-8501-afaag-us

unless that one isn't A tier anymore

[hazy surge]

Wait so which pc do u think I should buy

Which one is the better one

[mossy venture]

the one felix sent is the fastest out of any of them

it's also insane overkill for you

[cyan ravine]

The 4090 one is better by a mile

[hazy surge]

but u said the psu don’t go with something

So do I need to change a part?

[mossy venture]

it'll work, I just wouldn't be comfortable running a 600w gpu on a 750w psu

[hazy surge]

Oh

Is that…

Gonna effect anything huge

I don’t feel confident lol

I feel like something might blow up

[mossy venture]

It's a matterof personal opinion

[hazy surge]

Well I wouldn’t know so

Leaving it up to u guys

[mossy venture]

a psu not having enough wattage isn't something that would kill a pc

[hazy surge]

Oh ok

[mossy venture]

it would just be annoying and something that you'd have to replace to avoid your pc shutting down if it exceeds what the psu can handle

[hazy surge]

Oh

So what should I change to prevent that completely?

[mossy venture]

You could also spend half and get something that would do everything you want very easily, but that's up to youhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/jwCzqm

I'd just change psu to an A tier 850w

the cooler master gold v2 i linked earlier is an A tier

[mossy venture]

.

[hazy surge]

I see

[cyan ravine]

@hazy surge here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8FYgk9

I changed case and psu

Still 2500 flat

[hazy surge]

Damn

So that’s the perfect pc?

Got rid of the issue?

[cyan ravine]

I mean I can see a 750w working but 850w is a bit of peace of mind yeah

[hazy surge]

What is the specs u have?

Can I see ur setup

[cyan ravine]

Me? I have a 13900KS+7900XTX+64gb ddr5
And a 7950X3D+4090+64GB

[hazy surge]

Sh

How much did that costs u

[cyan ravine]

I have had other PC's in recent years too like a 10th gen, 11th gen, Zen 3, Zen 3+

RDNA 2, lots of 30 series

[cyan ravine]

I prefer not to think about it

[hazy surge]

Oh

So it’s pricy pricy

[cyan ravine]

My setups are full liquid loops

All bells and whistles

[hazy surge]

Well basically

I can just get the one u sent but change the psu to 850w that’s it? And I’ll be done?

[cyan ravine]

Basically anything you can think of I basically have in them besides a boatload of rgb

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8FYgk9 look at this list again

This link here

Specifically this one

[hazy surge]

Oh u changed it alr?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[hazy surge]

Oh perfect

[cyan ravine]

Ok so one caveat I must alert you to

Take note of this

When you finish building the pc, update the bios immediately

It's a 5 minute job but very important rn

We can help you do it if you are unsure at any point

[hazy surge]

Wait will I have to pay an extra couple hundred to install windows 10

[cyan ravine]

But yeah, after that, you're all good, install windows, enjoy the world's fastest gaming pc

Nah man

[hazy surge]

So… it’s gonna be on there?

[cyan ravine]

You shouldn't pay more than 2 figures for windows 10

It's not in there no, I just can't say here how to do it

[hazy surge]

How do I pay for it search it up? Or is there a link

oh

[cyan ravine]

Ya man

There exists ways to get it cheaper 💀

Much cheaper

[hazy surge]

Wait why isn’t there an option to just add whatever operating system u want on there

[cyan ravine]

You can

[hazy surge]

The previous pcs I looked at has that option

[cyan ravine]

When you install it you can pick whatever windows you want

[hazy surge]

So can’t I just add windows 10 and pay to

[cyan ravine]

Pcpartpicker is just a list maker

It's not a prebuilt site

[hazy surge]

Oh

So they don’t got that option?

[cyan ravine]

Nah sadly

[hazy surge]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

That's the beauty in it though, you build it, you can cop a 20% upgrade

[hazy surge]

so how do I pay for windows 10

[cyan ravine]

DM

[hazy surge]

ok

[cyan ravine]

@hazy surge pair that bad boi with the best 4K 144Hz money can buy or a good 1440p 360hz

Nothing else can really leverage a 4090 for it's full power otherwise

[hazy surge]

Ah

Noted

[frigid night]

Oh so I can play 1440p with a 4090?

[cyan ravine]

high refresh? yeah, but you'll have a lot of games where that's a no

300hz plus, 360hz is kinda alright

[frigid night]

Kinda alright?

[potent portal]

You need absolutely the best processor you can get, 7800X3D or 13900K, just to keep up with the 4090 at 1440p ultra

[cyan ravine]

pretty much yeah

[potent portal]

And tuned memory

[cyan ravine]

4090 has too high of an IPC to run at 1440p 19/20 times

[vague oracle]

Damnit, now you’re making me regret upgrading part by part

If I wasn’t upgrading part for part I’d be basically only $400ish short of that build

Bout to drop almost 1k on cpu upgrade, dropped $900ish for 6950xt

And I’d still be saving money by keeping my SSDs

Baaaahhh

[cyan ravine]

lol

[gentle pollen]

What about 7950x?

Can that keep up?

[potent portal]

Not as well as the 7800X3D can

You'd be roughly 5% more bottlenecked give or take

[gentle pollen]

Roughly how does that translate into real world performance?

10-15 fps lower?

[cyan ravine]

I'd argue the 7950X is not enough

[potent portal]

Not at 1440p no, it would definitely hold the 4090 back

The only question is how much

[cyan ravine]

It's not about having lower fps it's that you'll hit a cpu bottleneck so you're parking the gpu to some degree

You want the full fps out of a gpu

4090 is like, thoroughbred 4K worthy

For anything less than a tuned 13900K or tuned 7000X3D I'd recommend an XTX at max for 1440p

[potent portal]

Ideally that GPU runs at or near 100% constantly in game and honestly, the numbers don't lie, there isn't a CPU that can keep that 4090 maxed at 1440p.

[cyan ravine]

Ya, IPC is too low

[potent portal]

Even with RT on

[cyan ravine]

Like granted this isn'tevery scenario

It's more than enough to argue you're not getting the full perf

It's a definition of less than ideal

[potent portal]

Yeah cyberpunk with the new whatever rt mode is going to shove rays down the 4090's throat until it chokes

[cyan ravine]

Yeah pretty much

[potent portal]

But that's an edge(runner) case

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[gentle pollen]

Nice one.

Do high refresh rate 4K monitors exist yet that aren't like a thousand dollars? Such as 4K +165hz

[cyan ravine]

Beyond 144? Not sure

1440p 300hz is 650

[gentle pollen]

My end game once I am back in China in a few months is the 4090 so this topic interests me a lot.

[cyan ravine]

And even with a 300hz monitor you'll hit some limitation that likely will prevent you saturating everything without a bleeding edge tune

I'd say 4k 144hz is enough, the m28u arm edition is 500

It's pricey but you get a mount and a good 4k experience

M32U is even better, FV43U is better than that, all sub 1K

[gentle pollen]

I forgot is the FV43U OLED?

[cyan ravine]

QLED

Only OLED I'd recommend is the C2 Evo LG

[gentle pollen]

QLED is better then IPS right?

[cyan ravine]

Uh, in terms of overall? Yes

For pure fps no

[gentle pollen]

Does a smaller FV43U exist cause 43 inches at a 16:9 ratio is a bit much for me.

[cyan ravine]

Yes

M32U

[gentle pollen]

Oh xD.

[cyan ravine]

Tho that's IPS

[coarse coral]

C2 55" was on sale on Newegg for like $999 earlier

[gentle pollen]

.......

[coarse coral]

I love my C1 55"

[cyan ravine]

C2 has proven itself worthy of a desktop monitor

[gentle pollen]

A man's monitor should not be half the price of the man's GPU IMO.

[obsidian wigeon]

LG C4 when

[coarse coral]

It's a tv

Lol

[cyan ravine]

C2 is a TV yeah lol

And a big as heck one

[coarse coral]

A smart tv, a good one

Like, amazing colors out of box

I don't regret getting the c1

Just for tv

[cyan ravine]

For image quality lg oled is second to none

[gentle pollen]

Can the 7950x hit 240 fps and higher with the 4090?

[cyan ravine]

On 4K?

[gentle pollen]

QHD

[cyan ravine]

Depends on the game

[gentle pollen]

My bad.

[cyan ravine]

1440p? Yes in some games

[gentle pollen]

Minecraft for certain lmao.

[cyan ravine]

But it's still bottlenecked

[gentle pollen]

Unless we talking modded.

[cyan ravine]

4090 is a 4K card

It just doesn't slot lower without better cpus

[gentle pollen]

Yeah fair.

At UHD what kind of frame rates can the 7950x + 4090 get on average?

[cyan ravine]

Not a single cpu on the planet that can run a 4090 at 1440p relatively well enough to deem it 1440p worthy

[cyan ravine]

120+

It's really there and with frame gen it easily goes higher

[gentle pollen]

Frame Gen like DLSS?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[gentle pollen]

I see, so there wouldn't even be much point in buying a 4K monitor above 144hz.

[cyan ravine]

I mean yeah? Kinda

It can do higher just depends on the game

[potent portal]

I don't think displayport can go much higher until they implement a new version anyway

[gentle pollen]

One more question, does the 7950x bottleneck the 4090 in WQHD?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

Mostly yes

[potent portal]

Less so than QHD at least

[cyan ravine]

And it's for a different reason

Yeah

[gentle pollen]

What's the reason?

[cyan ravine]

WQHD usually ships sub 200HZ

So you can technically run it, but you'll be way over the monitor cap so you're bottlenecked in another way

G9 runs a 4090 no problem tho

1440p uwqhd? Yes that works

More pixels than 4K

[gentle pollen]

UWQHD is that like super, super wide monitor size right?

[cyan ravine]

If samsung made a WQHD 240hz I'd advocate it for a 4090

Ye it is

The dual 1440p

[gentle pollen]

To much width for me tbh....

[cyan ravine]

4090 is g9 worthy tho

[gentle pollen]

Does WUHD exist out of curiosity?

[cyan ravine]

At that point you're running "5K" 240hz instead of 4K 144hz

[gentle pollen]

👀

[cyan ravine]

I think it does. M34U? Never looked

M34QC does

Wqhd

[tulip patrol]

guys i'm probably gonna upgrade my gpu since a gtx 1050 is a little bit trash so schould i buy a 3050 or a 3060

[cyan ravine]

6600 is pretty nice for 200

[gentle pollen]

How does "M34U" on Amazon show me bikinis?

[cyan ravine]

💀

[gentle pollen]

Anyways seems M34U is non existent.

[obsidian wigeon]

6600 is a cheap huge upgrade

[cyan ravine]

Sadge

[tulip patrol]

yeah but amd raytracing is dogwater

[cyan ravine]

Yeah not sure about WUHD

[obsidian wigeon]

rt doesn't matter too much

[cyan ravine]

I mean you're asking to pay half the price again to get RT in less than 100 games and maybe 5% fps

[potent portal]

Those results are based on an algorithm from your searches

[cyan ravine]

Just saying, 6600 is hard to pass up

[gentle pollen]

Lmao, it should be showing me naked (bare) keyboards, keycaps, and switches then

[potent portal]

You won't be ray tracing on a 3060 anyway, it's not strong enough

[obsidian wigeon]

you will be counting fps with your hands

[gentle pollen]

Besides the M32U what are other good 4K contenders within a similar size?

[cyan ravine]

Uh

There's that asus one

And a viewsonic

Odyssey G80a

But they're all somehow worse in some way

Be it price or features or quality

[tulip patrol]

the only 6600 i can find is at 571

[obsidian wigeon]

where do you live anyway?

[tulip patrol]

switzerland

[cyan ravine]

Mech 2x 6600 is 200usd

[obsidian wigeon]

this doesn't sound like the usa

ah

[cyan ravine]

Ah swiss

[potent portal]

That would have been relevant to mention before lol

[obsidian wigeon]

amazon.de time

[cyan ravine]

EU changes everything

[tulip patrol]

ig

[cyan ravine]

The price difference between NV and AMD are much smaller in europe

Some countries they're equal

[tulip patrol]

the only local shop around me that sells pc parts doesnt have any 6600

[obsidian wigeon]

get a 3060 then

[potent portal]

As long as it's the 12gb 3060 yes

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

make sure it is 12gb

[cyan ravine]

8gb sucks

[obsidian wigeon]

8gb model is noticeably inferior

[cyan ravine]

It's a 3050ti

[tulip patrol]

their website is only showing me prebuilt pcs with an 3060 💀

lets use amazon.de then

[obsidian wigeon]

try that, and see if it ships to switzerland

[tulip patrol]

not sure i think they do

[obsidian wigeon]

doesn't hurt to verify by visiting the site

amazon.de ships to most of the eu

[tulip patrol]

yeah lets search on a french website it surely will be cheaper

[potent portal]

What other options do you have at this point

[tulip patrol]

1- going in france to get one phisically
2- buying off amazon.de
3- eh idk

[potent portal]

If you've got a passport crossing borders isn't out of the question

[tulip patrol]

i have both french and swiss passport

oof 347€ for the cheapest 3060 12gb

[obsidian wigeon]

sadge

[tulip patrol]

my wallet is gonna explode

[obsidian wigeon]

maybe looking into the used market is better?

[cyan ravine]

What's the cheapest 6600

[tulip patrol]

thats an 8gb

[cyan ravine]

Oof

[potent portal]

Good catch

[cyan ravine]

Well spotted yeah

Look for 6600

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah 8

[tulip patrol]

doing that rn

[obsidian wigeon]

honestly, maybe 3050 would be better?

[cyan ravine]

No

Used anything before 3050

[obsidian wigeon]

i know it's not good, but if 6600 isn't cheap

still you're right

[potent portal]

Ok 303 EUR https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Palit-3060-Dual-GDDR6-NE63060019K9-190AD/dp/B08WR6DRQQ

[obsidian wigeon]

used better

[potent portal]

I use my VPN to get local prices, I'm pretending to be in Zurich rn

[cyan ravine]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/wdvdnQ/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xl8lfdq

250 euro

[cyan ravine]

That's decent if legit seller

[potent portal]

Sold and shipped by amazon

[tulip patrol]

seller is amazon

[obsidian wigeon]

france indeed has decent price huh

[cyan ravine]

Also.249 euro
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/wdvdnQ/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xl8lfdq

Amazon de

[obsidian wigeon]

same price

but no travel needed

[tulip patrol]

ye but i'm in geneva and it says 334€ w/ 6.04 shipping

[cyan ravine]

I know but it might be more convenient

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[tulip patrol]

thats no prob i live in western geneva aka pretty close to the border

[obsidian wigeon]

i mean the france 6600 is amazon

but amazon.fr

[cyan ravine]

If the opportunity presents itself for 250 euro, get the gigabyte eagle 6600

Best 6600, can overclock to hell and back

[tulip patrol]

i can just use a post relay

[cyan ravine]

Nooooo

It no good?

[potent portal]

nvm 8gb again

[obsidian wigeon]

was that a mistake

[potent portal]

Stupid amazon filters never work

[obsidian wigeon]

3060?

[cyan ravine]

I thought that was a 6600

[potent portal]

Wait yeah derp

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Radeon-6600-MECH-912-V502-039-Black/dp/B09GW3XN7K?th=1

[obsidian wigeon]

see

[cyan ravine]

[obsidian wigeon]

my brain didn't see hallucinations

falcie staying up late

[cyan ravine]

@tulip patrol check fal'cies link

[potent portal]

<--

[cyan ravine]

226 euro out of de

Might be good price for Switzerland

[tulip patrol]

249 for me and still 6€ shipping

[cyan ravine]

That's quite good

[potent portal]

That's still good yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

that's amazing tho

better than buying phsycially

[tulip patrol]

yeah i'll see if i can buy it

[obsidian wigeon]

if you want to save more, go for used stuff

that's basically as low as we'd go new

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 6600 is ground floor

You can probably find like, 5700 XT"s for same or less

[potent portal]

Oh amazon, how I despise thee
Search RX 5700 XT
All results are for RX 6500 XT
THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR

[cyan ravine]

Used I meant

[obsidian wigeon]

[cyan ravine]

💀

[obsidian wigeon]

6500xt better

higher number

it's better by 800

800%

[potent portal]

I still don't see why we can't triple SLI 1030s to make a 3090

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[cyan ravine]

Imagine if brands named their products after the paper performance

How much easier life would be

[obsidian wigeon]

lolol

ye

[cyan ravine]

Nvidia Ada 100T > 4090

[potent portal]

If they were honest about it yeah

[cyan ravine]

Nvidia Ada 75T

[obsidian wigeon]

Ada 1T

1% of 4090

[cyan ravine]

1030

[potent portal]

That would be what, a jetson?

[cyan ravine]

AMD RX 60T

XTX

Kekw

[obsidian wigeon]

oh how life would be easier

[cyan ravine]

Yet it's faster

[obsidian wigeon]

apply it to cpu

[cyan ravine]

Ya man you see it now

Say cinememe points

Intel i9 40K

13900k

[obsidian wigeon]

Say Unlocked too tho

[potent portal]

Then when they make a 90 ti it just becomes Ada 110T 🤯

[obsidian wigeon]

Make it clear

[cyan ravine]

40KK

💀

Sorry 40K ultra

[obsidian wigeon]

noo

that's bad

[potent portal]

Must be warhammer edition

[cyan ravine]

Ultra is the new i

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[cyan ravine]

Would be nice tho

No new to market people thinking they need an i9

[obsidian wigeon]

Simple names would be so fun

"Oh, so this is how much performance I get."

[cyan ravine]

Yeah man

Cinebench doesn't really communicate this well

💀

[obsidian wigeon]

Just name the product with percentage of performance relative to highest sku

[potent portal]

Too bad that's all too honest for these companies
They'd rather give us a "mobile 3090" with the performance of a 3070

[obsidian wigeon]

Don't be exact, that will be too confusing

But do stay within accuracy

[cyan ravine]

70T mobile

I'd buy that

[obsidian wigeon]

No one would want something like 33T

lmao

Round it up or down as needed

Different games will differ anyway

Just use average performance percentage

[potent portal]

Reserve the X5T models for revisions like a 6650 or 3070 ti

[obsidian wigeon]

Also I can't speak how much I despite X3D name

[cyan ravine]

AMD RX 30T, 33T 💀

[obsidian wigeon]

tf does it mean to new people

Does it have gpu?

It does, yes, but it actually means cache technology

[cyan ravine]

I always think of XD when I see X3D

[obsidian wigeon]

same lmao

[potent portal]

:X3:

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[cyan ravine]

X3d

[obsidian wigeon]

All in all, naming is not truthful

And will never be, sadly

[cyan ravine]

The atom chips drive me nuts

[obsidian wigeon]

It's why 4th gen i7 still sells for 150

[cyan ravine]

You can have i7 atom chips

[potent portal]

A confused consumer is more likely to just spend more to not have to think about it

[obsidian wigeon]

oh right

Atom x7

Better version of a crappy cpu

Still crap, but better

Better crap

[potent portal]

[dense brook]

Yes

The amount of time I’ve looked into picking parts is way too much n I still don’t know much about pc building.

[cyan ravine]

Building a pc itself is like assembling adult lego almost

At least on the simple side. Water-cooling can sorta rock that concept a little bit

[frigid night]

the water cooling is the part of the legos that you set up motorized

[dense brook]

Liquid cool is a future option 😃 for me

[obsidian wigeon]

Building part isn't too confusing

The buying is well, daunting for new people

So many confusing part names

[dense brook]

The more u look, the better hardware you want.🤣

I just needed a 1060 6G, ryzen 2600

Actually maybe an old board + caseswap can “fix” my issue lol

This can be a hobby. Pick the right motherboard, upgrade slowly n see graphics improvements in the same game would be quite fun.

[upper condor]

It gets addicting

[gentle pollen]

Agreed.

The only pain is when you get so addicted you try Overclocking and get hooked on that.

[earnest olive]

build 50 pcs and make them battle royale lmao

[stark quail]

Hey guys what would be a good GPU for a ryzen 7 2700x

[mossy venture]

Depends on your budget

and use case

[earnest olive]

the cpu will probably limit you to like a 6650xt/3060

[paper summit]

@dark island wrong channel

Type here for help

[dark island]

Yo

So I think the pins are bent

[paper summit]

It will automatically delete chats in build pics

[dark island]

The top ones

[dark island]

Yeye alr

But can u tell if they are bent ?

Cuz I’m scared and it could be

[paper summit]

From that picture no

Can you try and zoom in/focus it better

[dark island]

I tried

AMA try again

Btb

BRB *

I tried my best

But if u still can’t tell

I wanna ask a question

[dense brook]

tecware fusion, sama01 has good airflow?

[obsidian wolf]

Are the kingston nvme lotery ssd problem solve*

?

[potent portal]

For the NV2? No still a lottery

[obsidian wolf]

How come

?

Is it that people are taking parts out from them
?

[potent portal]

No? How would you even do that?

[obsidian wolf]

I don't understand

why is a lottery, I am sorry.

[potent portal]

They just use whatever they have lying around that will work with their controller

[obsidian wolf]

ah

What would be a similar good ssd

[potent portal]

MP33

[obsidian wolf]

in comparison to their nv2 1tb

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jXmDGL

I am trying to help this 10 year old kid from one of my co-worker in the office, was initially thinking of a ryzen build, but I think a good starting build for the kid would be this one, since he's really smart and I want him to understand everything really simply, but also having the power to play whatever he wants for a good time, with the option to upgrade to the 13th gen whenever he feels like and for better ddr5 ram down the line.

[potent portal]

Yeah, MP33

For gaming it's really all you need

[obsidian wolf]

What's the difference between 3.0 x4 or 4.0 x4

[dense brook]

Mp33 < this often gets mentioned. Is it a lot affordable than 970 evo

[potent portal]

For gaming, nothing

[obsidian wolf]

Got you

[potent portal]

I dug into the details for gen 3 vs 4 a little bit ago #tech-deals-discussion message

Windows loads one second faster, games load the same

[potent portal]

BTW you'll want 32GB of memory on that, 16GB is enough usually but lots of games are going beyond that now.

[obsidian wolf]

I don't think he'll consume more for now though

That's why upgradability is there as a thing, maybe in the near future he will ask for more

but I'm tying to tight it down to the 1000$ budget, without making a compromise on the graphics card.

[potent portal]

Well that's the problem, with a 6800 it can run games at settings where the games will outright crash if there's not enough memory

[obsidian wolf]

Got you

[potent portal]

DDR5 isn't necessary, so if you want to compromise do it there. Good DDR4 can keep up with decent DDR5 still.

[obsidian wolf]

I know, but again it's the upgradeability mindset in there, the kid currently is asking their parents to buy them threadripper

:VVVV

[dense brook]

Does pcie 4.0 affects gpu?

[gentle pollen]

👀 huh???!

[obsidian wolf]

He just like's asking for the best

and he's so thrilled about building a computer

for now I been telling them to tell him that he doesn't need that many cores for nothing

[gentle pollen]

So long as it's in x16 mode it doesn't matter if it's 3.0 or 4.0 even with a 4090 at this point in time.

[obsidian wolf]

because it would actually run things slower

[potent portal]

Threadrippers are not for the faint of heart, they're really easy to screw up and when you do that's $1000 lost

[gentle pollen]

what do you mean?

[obsidian wolf]

Well the better put point is that he will never use the 64 cores

and is not well invested money

[gentle pollen]

Agreed there.

[potent portal]

They're huge and on a land grid array, so if you overtighten the cooler you can destroy your $1000 motherboard

[gentle pollen]

..............

So slowly tighten?

[obsidian wolf]

On top of that having so many cores

can also be ineffectively for playing games

more =/ better

sometimes

[potent portal]

It comes with a special torque screwdriver that you need to use exactly as instructed. Too tight, you damage pins and lose memory channels. Too loose, and you don't get enough cooling.

[gentle pollen]

....... The words Threadripper and Game should never be in the same sentence.

[obsidian wolf]

yep

[potent portal]

Unless followed by the word "server"

[gentle pollen]

Fair.

That's the one exception.

Still overkill for most game servers unless we talking servers on Hypixel's scale.

[potent portal]

Sure but if you have a threadripper game server you're running more than one game

[gentle pollen]

I wonder, how would a Threadripper fair against a 13900KS or 7800X3D when paired with a 4090 for __ XTREME GAMING__ lmao.

[paper summit]

Brutus with his 64 ice lake cores

[potent portal]

It would be slammed against the wall and forced to call them daddy

[paper summit]

hosting one Minecraft server and folding@home LOL

[paper summit]

Yeah?

[gentle pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/kou-minamoto-hanako-kun-cursed-daddy-kitten-gif-21869965

so what like this?

Lmao.

Sheesh, I've been in this community for two and a half years now.

[potent portal]

Almost as long as me

[paper summit]

Fal'Cie when mod

[potent portal]

[paper summit]

Ive been banned, kicked, and abused by Rommy

[potent portal]

Judging from the amount of swears in your delete logs and automod bans I'd say not any time soon lol

[lyric thistle]

h

[paper summit]

OHHHH no I didnt mean it like that lol

I wouldnt want to be a mod anyway

[potent portal]

Neither did I tbh, I just woke up one day to a bunch of pings congratulating me. I was confused at first because my name color hadn't changed to orange yet lol. No one asked me.

[paper summit]

LMAO thats so strange

[gentle pollen]

Anyone wanna join me for some Halo?

[lyric thistle]

That was my experience in a small server

Suddenly moderator

Thankfully folks there don't cause trouble

[hazy surge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YJPVMb

Guys I made my mind

I’m settling with this as my first ever starting pc

Can you guys send me a hz monitor that fits those specs?

I heard 1440 or something

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fm7G3C/gigabyte-m32u-315-3840x2160-144-hz-monitor-m32u if you can afford it

[upper condor]

Very much worth ^

vouch

[earnest olive]

…are you open to suggestions about the list?

you should really spend the extra $10 for some ddr5-6000 and have more than one case fan for a 7800x3d + 4090 build

with a budget this high I’d also upgrade the ssd to the p41 pro

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cDWcJM

[austere ridge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gbRfqm Need build help plz i want an nvida gpu

[earnest olive]

just toss in any 4070 I guess

is there a specific reason?

you’d be losing a lot of raster performance for the same price

but I guess it makes sense if you’re going to play a lot of games at 1440p with rtx/dlss3 or use cuda

[austere ridge]

ive just always had nvida and i like using shadow play etc.

[earnest olive]

radeon has a shadowplay counterpart called radeon relive that you can look into

[earnest olive]

because if you didn’t answer yes to either of these then you’re actually losing a lot of performance by going for the 4070 over the 6950xt

[austere ridge]

oh yes rtx on actually

[hazy surge]

Uh well I have a very tight budget

Are the parts u named extremely necessary?

[earnest olive]

very tight budget… for a 7800x3d and 4090?

[hazy surge]

Yes??

I’m no t tryna go above 2.5k

And I alr did

[earnest olive]

I would say the case fans are pretty necessary

1 fan for the entire system is a little ridiculous with such a build

[hazy surge]

So

Then 2?

[austere ridge]

mushroom what whould u suggest for $1500, the case i have is lian li 216

[hazy surge]

Ok 2 then

Still need a monitor

And I’m not spending 700 for that

[earnest olive]

4090 really should be paired with 4k high refresh

[earnest olive]

like you already own the case?

[hazy surge]

So basically anything that’s not a 4k monitor isn’t good

For me

Bruh

[austere ridge]

yea

[earnest olive]

the gpu is really overkill for 1440p, no CPUs exist that won’t bottleneck the 4090 at 1440p right now

[hazy surge]

I have no clue what any of that means

[earnest olive]

go look up radeon relive and decide if you can live with that as a replacement for shadowplay

[hazy surge]

So like it’s a requirement to get a 4k monitor?

[potent portal]

The 4090 won't be able to use it's full power at 1440p, it's 4k or drop to a 4080

[earnest olive]

buying a 4090 for 1440p gaming is like buying a sports car to take grandma to church

sure you can do it, but it’s kind of wasteful

[hazy surge]

Understood

So basically

In shorter terms

With that gpu just get a 4k

But that means I need to spend a lot more

Ok new gpu then

[earnest olive]

most people who buy 4090s are not thinking about money lol

[hazy surge]

Might just redo this entire list damn

This sucks

[potent portal]

Yes. The 4080 is a much better choice for 1440p.

[austere ridge]

oh i forgot im gonna do multi media stuff aswell like adobe,coding,blender

[potent portal]

You don't need to redo the whole list, just the GPU and monitor really.

[hazy surge]

No

I mean like

Most of the list

[earnest olive]

ok there’s a good reason to take a weaker nvidia card over radeon then

[hazy surge]

Cause he just pointed out earlier a whole bunch of stuff

So ima just redo it for good measures ig idek at this point lmao

[austere ridge]

just a 4070 instead for the gpu anything else u suggest

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yXDjwc

consider this

going ddr4 to be able to get 64gb for cheaper could help with your workload

doesn’t really matter how much faster your ram is if you run out of it

and a faster sequential speed ssd can help a lot with some workloads like video editing

[mossy venture]

S70 blade is $125 right now, I'm not sure how that compares though

[earnest olive]

also wow it’s ridiculous how cheap 64gb is now

$110 for 2x32gb ddr4-3600

wow

@hazy surge could consider this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jX4pfv

[rain bloom]

https://www.amazon.com/Dentsing-L16C4PB1-Compatible-720-13IKB-730-13IKB/dp/B07XBZJB8K
https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-p34a60-1tb/p/N82E16820301428
Thoughts? Trying to revitalize my Lenovo 730 131-KB (also sorry it's a laptop build/fix lol)

[earnest olive]

would go for a 1tb team mp33 for the ssd

[rain bloom]

Assuming battery doesn't matter much? That's the main issue lol

[earnest olive]

well it lists compatibility and reviews seem fine

could maybe find the same thing cheaper direct from china but with a longer shipping time

that’s all I have to say about it

[hazy surge]

Wow that is wayyyyy cheaper

Only 2.2k?

Wait so… what are the downgrades

From the one I sent

Will I still be able to run Val apex and forza with smooth fps?

If so that’s all I care abt

[earnest olive]

better ram, better ssd, better case/airflow setup
downgraded gpu to the radeon equivalent of a 4080
added monitor

[hazy surge]

I’m not too high on graphics

oh shhhhh

Fr?

[earnest olive]

if those are the only games you play you could realistically cut the price in half

lol

[hazy surge]

Why didn’t the other guy recommended me that instead wtf

[earnest olive]

none of those games are hard to run

[hazy surge]

Welll

[earnest olive]

who made the original list?

[hazy surge]

Obviously ima play a lot of other games

Those are my MAIN games

Like the ones I play the most and use my pc for the most basically

but I’m not gonna go crazy and install so many games

those are just my main games ima run

Other games would be smaller

[earnest olive]

well that pc will crush pretty much everything you throw at it so

[hazy surge]

@cyan ravine

[hazy surge]

BET ima just buy this LMAO then I have more left over to spend

On extras

[earnest olive]

the original list wasn’t bad besides the choice of case

[hazy surge]

Wait

So let me get this

Basically

[earnest olive]

a single fan for 7800x3d + 4090 is uhh

questionable I think

[hazy surge]

Everything on ur list is better AND somehow cheaper???

[earnest olive]

especially if the 7800x3d is being air cooled

[hazy surge]

How does that work

[earnest olive]

no lol

the graphics card is downgraded

[hazy surge]

Oh

[earnest olive]

everything else is the same or better

[hazy surge]

Will my games still look good

Or decent atleast

[earnest olive]

it’s still laughably overkill for everything you mentioned

[hazy surge]

Oh

So that means it’ll look good

Alr

[earnest olive]

I got 1214 fps in val on a weaker graphics card (3090)

[hazy surge]

I’ll run games on high fps right?

WHAT

HOW

[hazy surge]

But I heard a lot of ppl use 3090

Like streamers

[earnest olive]

your expectations of a $2k pc seem really low

[hazy surge]

Well

[earnest olive]

I mean 3090 used to be the best card that money could buy

[hazy surge]

Idk if u seen me say it before but I told other ppl here

I’m completely new

To this

Never built any pc

This will be my first ever

[earnest olive]

but it’s a generation old now

the 7900xtx is stronger

[hazy surge]

That’s why @cyan ravine will help me when they arrive

[hazy surge]

I see

So

Basically the gpu only downgrade BUT it’s still a good part

For my budget

Is what ur saying

The whole list is better value for my price range

Might just go with urs then

[earnest olive]

yeah I mean you didn’t seem thrilled about spending a lot on a monitor so a gpu that’s more reasonable for 1440p paired with a 1440p monitor will save you like $1k

[hazy surge]

And also is that monitor good?

[hazy surge]

I mean

[earnest olive]

I wouldn’t recommend it if it was bad lol

[hazy surge]

Obviously I want to get the best for what I can get

But I still don’t wanna overspend

So I’ll take urs

I mean it still seems like the perfect starter pc for me plus I can run about everything

[earnest olive]

both choices are valid it all depends on how much you’re willing to spend and what you’re trying to do

[hazy surge]

So it’s all I need

Exactly

So then it’s good enough for me

[earnest olive]

I think you’ll be happy enough with the 7900xtx anyways

[hazy surge]

That’s my point

Prob

Alr

Ur list it is

Ima save it

[earnest olive]

the 7900xtx is a very powerful card, crushes games at 1440p

[hazy surge]

Ohhh

Bet

That sounds sweet

Ok

So basically that list has EVERYTHING I need to assemble in the pc box right?

Monitor included

[earnest olive]

well no keyboard/mouse

but monitor yes

[hazy surge]

Alr bought mouse and keyboard

Yeah

Bouta say

Ok

So I’m straight

That SHOULD be my final purchase

Then boom

[earnest olive]

you could consider getting a cheaper second monitor

[hazy surge]

Setup done

[earnest olive]

but otherwise it’s complete

[hazy surge]

Oh no I’m not pursuing a twitch career lmao

Not now atleast

[earnest olive]

me using 4 monitors for homework:

[hazy surge]

Just wanna game have fun and get clips with friends

Alll I want

[hazy surge]

LMAO

ok

I alr bought everything else

Ur list which is gonna be my pc

Is my last thing I’m buying

Then boom

No more wallet damage

Sounds amazing

Gonna buy later tonight

Thanks for saving me a thousand! LOLZ

[earnest olive]

np hope you enjoy it

[hazy surge]

Wait actually

I’m scared

Wait I forgot I needed windows 10 added

Frick

I can add it myself

[obsidian wigeon]

you don't have to pay for windows

[hazy surge]

Wait why did @cyan ravine say I had to

[obsidian wigeon]

No need lol

[hazy surge]

I can just buy it, assemble the pc then install it all for free?

Wtf

He lied to me lmao

He said he knew a site to buy windows 10 for cheap lmao

Ok ig just buying pc then

Alr

Time to buy…

I’m scared

[upper condor]

yeah but it has an annoying "activate windows" thingy

and locks down customization

[hazy surge]

It says the memory not in stock for Amazon so ima buy it separately off newegg

[hazy surge]

I’m fine with that

Just need it to be free lmao

I DID IT GUYS

I BOUGHT THE PARTS

LETS GOOOOOO

kinda interesting how each part delivers at diff days

ranging form tmrw to next week

eh wtv

[frigid night]

He knows of a better way that is free. I thought he said he DMed you.

Also, do you have a way to download windows to a USB drive?

[hazy surge]

Idk

Plus I have literally no clue

One person tells me this another tell me something completely different

[frigid night]

Do you have a PC already?

[hazy surge]

He told me I needed to pay and now a person says it’s dead free

Don’t know what’s true anymore lmao

[hazy surge]

Doodoo laptop rn

It’s on the verge of death

That’s why I all of a sudden was in a hurry to buy a pc

[frigid night]

Windows itself is free. You do however have to pay for a key to activate it to access certain features.

[hazy surge]

Oh

[mossy venture]

If that laptop is windows 7 or newer you can just use that account

[hazy surge]

See i just need to figure out HOW to get that key

[frigid night]

There are also other ways to activate it for free as well, but we don't talk about that here. That's why

[frigid night]

You should DM me.

[mossy venture]

Just download windows to a USB and then sign into your Microsoft account

[hazy surge]

My laptop is windows 10

How do I switch it to the pc when it comes and it’s all built?

Will it be free then?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[hazy surge]

Alr

[hazy surge]

Wait so I need to buy a usb?

[frigid night]

Yes

[hazy surge]

Bruh

[mossy venture]

Just Google windows media installer, download the w10 installer to the USB drive, and then boot from the USB drive

[hazy surge]

More buying lmao

Alr Wtv

I’ll buy it

[mossy venture]

Theyre very cheap

Just need an 8 or 16gb one, like $5-15

[frigid night]

Just buy a cheap 16gb one

[hazy surge]

Add back

I need all the help I can get

Because

[mossy venture]

I've seen USB 3.0 ones for $3

[frigid night]

I personally would go the extra mile and buy one that can also plug into phone via usbc

[hazy surge]

The purchasing step is over

Now DIFFICULT part is here

Which is building everything

And setting things up so they work properly

Which I’ll be using ur guidance

[frigid night]

Arguably the purchasing part is the hardest part

[hazy surge]

Ah

Well

This is def the second hardest

For me atleast

Cus I know nothing

Ty for helping me

Too kind

[regal shard]

Building only hard if u buy big components in a small case

[earnest olive]

optimizing your part list is the hardest part of pc building

people who come here just get to skip that

i made quite a few mistakes choosing parts in my own first build

took a lot of learning

this was one of the bigger mistakes

[lyric thistle]

Corsair insulation box

[earnest olive]

my poor little dual fan zotac 1080ti combined with that terrible case

and the fact that i added 0 fans to it

was basically just hitting 92C and thermal throttling during any games

[lyric thistle]

Oof

[earnest olive]

and that was with an undervolt

[lyric thistle]

I love my case

[regal shard]

Holy crap

So I guess my temps are ok then

At max load I get a little over 70C

[earnest olive]

70c is good

[cyan ravine]

3 things:

1. Traded the confirmed hynix for samsung
2. Case is not worth 20 over focus 2
3. Monitor is a complete bottleneck well below what the XTX can do

XTX is 1440p 240 minimum

[earnest olive]

you way overvalue hynix dies for people who are not going to do ram oc

[cyan ravine]

I don't

Cos you can use it later

Like 5 years from now at well beyond what sammies can do

[earnest olive]

you do realize that even setting xmp is too advanced for a lot of people right

[cyan ravine]

Also hynix trains tighter than sammies so you're not even really going any faster

For 15 more$

[earnest olive]

getting into ram oc is not exactly a natural progression

[cyan ravine]

Yes but reusing ram is

Better to buy the cheaper sticks that can do 10K in the future an 6K now than the more expensive stuff that runs 6.8K max

[earnest olive]

I absolutely never take ram oc into account when making lists

0% consideration

[cyan ravine]

You can literally just dial up the frequency with no consequence to 6K

Lol

Right below xmp

Both amd and intel will do it

AMD is like, 99% guaranteed and Intel is a certainty

And we're glossing over what matters more, the monitor is a total bottleneck

Lads gonna be capped at 70% of his gpu in most situations lol

[earnest olive]

I also disagree with this

really don’t think it’s worth doubling the monitor price to go from 144hz to 240hz, and there are already games where the 7900 xtx is not exceeding 1440p144 with fsr on and rt off

[cyan ravine]

We have quite a number of people in here using the XTX at 4K 144 let alone 1440p 144

[earnest olive]

sure

and 4k 144 is not a bad match for it

[cyan ravine]

G27Q is way too weak

[earnest olive]

but i don't think 1440p144 is a bad match for it either

[cyan ravine]

You buy the top dog gpu you buy the top dog monitor to go with it

[earnest olive]

it's not the top dog gpu

[cyan ravine]

It is

[rough loom]

Talking to many just normal users of PC's. XMP values on ram is already complicated and HZ rate on monitors above 165 is rarely a selling point unless they are specifically looking for that

[cyan ravine]

From amd

[earnest olive]

i mean

[cyan ravine]

It absolutely is amd's top consumer gpu

[earnest olive]

i can call an arc a770 the top dog gpu then

lol

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[earnest olive]

exactly

[cyan ravine]

It's Intel's top dog

[earnest olive]

i will never expect someone i am making a list for to do any sort of ram oc

average users are intimidated by bios

[rough loom]

Like I have a gpu that can run higher than my 144 hz monitor. but I still cap at 144 because it requires less power draw than needed

[earnest olive]

...so you have to get a 4k144 monitor to go with it?

[cyan ravine]

Yes but for 1% difference in ram hz you gain years of future proofing and save 15$. Those two points alone are significant

[flint sapphire]

[cyan ravine]

Intel's isn't 4K worthy

Don't twist my words

[earnest olive]

i don't see the future proofing value if they won't ram oc

i mean.. amd's gpu isn't the top dog gpu

it's just theirs

[cyan ravine]

I completely disagree and will die on this hill

[rough loom]

I would need my ram to survive longer than 2.5 years before having to RMA it to consider "future proofing ram"

and as that currently has not happened

at standard xmp values

[earnest olive]

the amount of people doing ram oc is fractions of fractions of fractions of a percent