building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

4090 is fine on an 850w atx 2.0 psu depending on cpu

[potent portal]

Is there a specific reason to get a 4070 when you can get a used 3080 that beats it for much cheaper? Even a new 6950 XT, which would kinda kill it.

[atomic epoch]

thanks anyone who dealt with my questions over the weekend I got the pc all done

MW2 benchmark. 1440p ultra

[dark island]

Guys do y’all think the i5 11600k will bottleneck with rtx 4070

Sure ?

[mossy venture]

Exceptions would be like 12100f and 4090, but no one in their right mind would buy that pairing so

I prefer 7950x3d and 6400 at 4k

[fossil cedar]

Bottlenecks are over exadurated and not a bad thing it just means you have some perf on the table

True only 8gb of vram so bad smh my head

Should have gotten a 4090

[tawny fiber]

Sure

[dark island]

Wait wtf

U have an i5 10400f with a 3080ti

Do u have any problems or any bottleneck problems

?

@tawny fiber

[strong raft]

-- I would've been happy w/ that sort of combo. 1440p or higher I bet it's solid, & they'll soon enough go 13th gen or w/e perhaps.

[earnest olive]

bottleneck? what's that

does it mean my 3080 is holding back my i7-4790K?

how do i fix it? should i get 4090?

i don't want my i7-4790K to be held back

[runic spruce]

A bottle neck is a variation of a turtleneck shirt

[atomic epoch]

means you cpu is slightly holding the gpu back

[runic spruce]

And you can fix it eith more light up rgb lights

[atomic epoch]

if the bottleneck number for gpu was 99% it'd mean you're getting full use of you gpu

unless that was a joke that went over my head

[earnest olive]

yeah I was jokingly adding to the above discussion lol

appreciate it though

don't think anyone in their right mind would pair a 3080 with a decade old cpu

[atomic epoch]

lol I didn't even notice that

[earnest olive]

it is impressive how well that 4790K is holding on though

considering that's a 2022 release

[atomic epoch]

you joke about that actually but now I remember I had a friend who put a 3080 in with his very old cpu and got like 10% of his gpu usage lol

[earnest olive]

well here it's getting 93% 😄

[atomic epoch]

he was complaining all night that the 3080 was performing worse than his 1060

I don't even remember what he was running

[earnest olive]

and it's not even at 4K

just 1440p

maybe he was running AMD FX CPU lol

[heady kayak]

so I’m looking for 2TB M.2 SSDs with DRAM and TLC

what’s recommended these days

the recommendations seem to change every week with the wild prices 😅

[earnest olive]

solidigm p44 pro is nice

only $150 for 2tb

176 layer TLC

[heady kayak]

that’s not bad tbh

[earnest olive]

1.4mil read IOPS/1.3mil write IOPS

7000 seq read/6500 seq write

[atomic epoch]

I got the P41 can't complain so far

[earnest olive]

the 2tb drive has 2gb lpddr4 dram

[heady kayak]

large

[earnest olive]

solidigm is killing it

p44 pro great high end drive, p41 plus great midrange drive

but it's midrange performance at the price of a budget drive

https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p44-pro/p/N82E16820318013 only downside is that it doesn't come with a heatsink at this performance class

if your mobo has a built in heatsink for it, no problem

or you have your own

[heady kayak]

eh, it’s not a problem

the machine has lots of airflow

the SN850X boot drive sits at 36c under load without a heatsink

[earnest olive]

is it a server chassis?

[heady kayak]

mhm

[earnest olive]

yeah you'll be fine lol

[heady kayak]

yeah lmao

thanks for the suggestion

[earnest olive]

np, enjoy

[fleet heron]

yo any special settings i could turn on for more fps lol?

sometimes i go from a 100 down to 20 idek why

[fleet heron]

is that 1440?

[earnest olive]

yes

[fleet heron]

ah ic ic

[earnest olive]

i dunno about any special settings

[hollow steeple]

if you have a high end cpu like a 7950 X and you have no gpu will you get less fps if you throw in a budget card like a 1060

[earnest olive]

i don't actually play the game

just use it for benchmark

[earnest olive]

uhh no

the 1060 absolutely thrashes the 7950x igpu

[hollow steeple]

so it would be better

[weary galleon]

Yes a 1060 is better than the igpu

[tawny fiber]

No not really

Then again I lile playing gpu intensive titles

There will always be outliers like hogwarts where you will be cpu bound just have to live with it 🤷‍♂️

But majority games are gpu bound in nature imo

[fleet heron]

how do you even benchmark it?

[earnest olive]

multiplayer > benchmark

[fleet heron]

gotta try it then lmao

interesting

idk how that worked but i got a 6700

[cyan ravine]

Yeah about what I would expect there lol

[fleet heron]

i mean its not bad lol

will the bottleneck always be like that? because its simlar to the other guys one

[earnest olive]

the gap between my 4790K and your 12600K is smaller than expected

[cyan ravine]

99% is a gpu bottleneck

[earnest olive]

[cyan ravine]

You were on a 3080

[earnest olive]

look at the cpu frames tho

[fleet heron]

ah oh oo

ic

welp

enough fps for me so idc

[cyan ravine]

Hm...?

[earnest olive]

you really don't see it?

[cyan ravine]

Wha

No I saw it

[earnest olive]

it's closer than i'd expect

tuned ddr3 putting in work

134 fps vs 190 fps

[dusty cedar]

what game are those pictures from?

[earnest olive]

MW2

[dusty cedar]

the free one or the actual game?

[earnest olive]

actual game

[fleet heron]

actual

[earnest olive]

it came free with my cpu

it's funny, it's the second cod game i own and i bought neither

[fleet heron]

this stuff so confusing lmao

[earnest olive]

just keep getting them in bundles

[earnest olive]

i overclocked the cpu and ram

[dusty cedar]

that game isn't worth buying twice after how much i already spent on it and they won't refund me for it

[fleet heron]

ah i see

[earnest olive]

ddr3-2666c11

[fleet heron]

overclocking isnt practical for daily use right?

[earnest olive]

ram overclocking is

cpu overclocking meh

gpu is as well

i daily overclocked desktop and laptop

[fleet heron]

laptop, daym

yea the raderon app has the overclocking section but idk how it works so i never tryed

tried

[fleet heron]

yea i might try overclocking my gpu to lessen the bottleneck

[earnest olive]

being gpu bottlenecked is a good thing

but it doesn't hurt to overclock it as long as it's stable

[runic spruce]

How is ram is overclocking useful? You usually don’t see any performance differences besides benchmarks right

[earnest olive]

helps frametimes/smoothness in games a lot

[runic spruce]

Oh

Didn’t know that

[earnest olive]

arguably the most important form of overclocking for actual gaming perf

[fleet heron]

it is why? a drastic bottle like that cant be good right?

[earnest olive]

but not worth the effort for most people

gpu overclocking is easy

[runic spruce]

I mean that guide on GitHub makes it easy

[earnest olive]

better to be gpu bottlenecked than cpu bottlenecked

[strong raft]

1% lows equal* to avg fps is nice. aka, smooth

[earnest olive]

still tedious

[earnest olive]

to be clear, there has to be a bottleneck somewhere by definition

otherwise your fps would just be infinity

something has to limit it eventually

if it's cpu, you will feel lag spikes

there's no actual problem with your system

overclocking could make it a little better, but there's nothing that needs "fixing"

[fleet heron]

ah i see

[runic spruce]

I mean if your game is running how you like theres no reason to worry about a bottleneck

[earnest olive]

you could probably get 5-10% more fps with gpu overclocking

not a gamechanger

might be nice to get closer to monitor refresh

[runic spruce]

I’d overclock if you ever get bored or something or want your system to consume less power

Like an under volt but oc at the same time

[fleet heron]

lol

yea i mean i only got a 70hz monitor so it doesnt matter that much

idk why i said lol

muscle memory ig

hey im regular plus now lol

[strong raft]

Some of us started with a CRT. 60ish hertz on an lcd is just dog doodoo by comparison, lol.

[fleet heron]

crt?

the big boy monitors?

[obsidian wigeon]

old monitor tech

ya

[fleet heron]

i wasn't even born back the probally yall grandpas lmao

then

woah i just searched them up why are they so expensive loool

[strong raft]

gonna get my belt

[obsidian wigeon]

I mean I was born in 2004, and my first pc had crt

Even tvs were commonly crt

[fleet heron]

oh god ahhh

[strong raft]

jk, this was $1600 msrp btw. blur was super low while lcds took probably a decade more to start getting decent for gaming.

[runic spruce]

He’s gonna whoop you so hard your gonna time travel back to pc dinosaurs

[fleet heron]

id love that

[runic spruce]

I remember connecting a wii too one of those things and playing smash

[fleet heron]

ah good times, even though i never played wii nor smash

actually i think i did play smash

[strong raft]

here's the big widescreen momma. I personally made do w/ a couple $400ish choices. At least 120+ hz lcds aren't too spendy nowadays.

[viral ore]

theres one of those for sale on fb marketplace in my area for 2800

[fleet heron]

daum

[potent portal]

Play your cards right and a CRT will live forever. Just try not to die when soldering new caps.

[potent portal]

What country? I can probably find a good deal

And no that's not a good drive

Why sata? It's literally 10x slower

Yeah that's nothing a little electrical tape couldn't fix

Both are worse on sata

[obsidian wigeon]

lexar ssds are meh

[potent portal]

Lower write endurance

They use worse NAND because it doesn't need to be fast

[obsidian wigeon]

I wouldn't worry about nand quality all that much myself

I have been dailying wd green sata ssd for a few years

Written way over its rated tbw, but it's still very much alive and kicking with full speed

[potent portal]

I've got an old sata m.2 that's about 4 years old, and I barely use it. It's at 80% health after only 24TB of writes on a 275GB drive 🙃

[obsidian wigeon]

I have written like 50+ TB

Countless windows installs and power losses

Laptop with ded batt doesn't stay on as soon as power to the wall is gone

[potent portal]

That doesn't say the % anywhere

Just "good" which it still says with my 80%

It'll say good until 10%

Then it says caution

[obsidian wigeon]

18tb is measly on an ssd

How long did you use it for boot?

Hm, okay

That sounds normal, perhaps for a not very much used drive

I install and uninstall things all the time on mine

[potent portal]

No that's fine

[obsidian wigeon]

That's perfectly fine

SSDs will only be worrisome if life drops very rapidly within a week or something

Or at 10%

[potent portal]

cough cough samsung 980 pro cough

[obsidian wigeon]

Life measurement is different with every brand

Also ya, 980 pro had serious issues with it

Or still have if the drive has older firmware

It'll just start warning you

Gotta check in tools of course

[potent portal]

No that's the write endurance. It's an estimate based on the expected write cycle life of the NAND packages. You don't lose data when it hits 0%, it just goes into read only mode.

[obsidian wigeon]

SSDs when they die due to running out of life, they'll kick into read only mode

Well "die"

Impossible to transfer data out of it once it reaches that failsafe stage

[potent portal]

If a boot drive hits 0 you won't be able to boot any more but you can copy data off

[dark island]

Yo guys so if u don’t have a gpu how can u display cuz ik if u have a gpu u have to plug the hdmi in for it to display

What about the integrated graphics people how do they do it

[upper condor]

Depends on the motherboard but there should be some type of display connection on the IO

[potent portal]

The CPU also has to be one with the integrated graphics. Examples of these include Intel non-F CPUs, Ryzen g series, and Ryzen 7000 series.

[dark island]

So it’s fine with the i5 11600k non f ?

[dark island]

Z590 gaming plus is the motherboard

[little osprey]

whats the best cpu air cooler for value while balancing out performance? my build is nothing amazing, just a mid-high 1440p build but ive had issues in the past of pcs cutting out from heat issues

[potent portal]

Correct, that CPU would have integrated graphics. The motherboard also has both a HDMI and a DP port.

[dark island]

So if I have a i5 11600k with a z590 motherboard and I plug my hdmi to my motherboard it will display ?

[potent portal]

If you have a GPU installed then the integrated will be disabled by default, but can still be enabled. Without a GPU, go ahead and just use it.

[potent portal]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BR84PRP8

Also https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BNH1W546

[formal mica]

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/37960655 You know I finally came around and did this benchmark and its like half of what other people are getting around is there something wrong with my settings

[cyan ravine]

Turn everything else off?

Try a driver reset or ddu? To be sure?

CPU score seems kinda ok

What did gpu usage look like?

Did the tests start with these big like, freezes?

[formal mica]

I at the start of each one it hit 100 but went right down

[cyan ravine]

Went right down?

Usage?

[formal mica]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[cyan ravine]

Try this

Then install 22.12.1 or 23.4.1

For radeon

[flint sapphire]

Yeah that score is superrrr low for that hardware

[formal mica]

I'm running it right now again I ldk if power saving mode might affect it I had that turned when I checked on the amd software thing

Much better

[flint sapphire]

Power saving mode definitely did

[formal mica]

Sorry to bother

[cyan ravine]

Better yeah, still on the low side

You should be north of 30K GPU***

Oh that's why you have the demo on

Also this for some reason

Oh wait that's still the demo 💀

Yeah seems kinda normal

Bump your fans up and you should hit 30K GPU**

[runic spruce]

But it says the best isnt even 30k

I’m pretty sure that guy is just runing stock but he could prob get more points if he overclocjed

[cyan ravine]

That's the average of the cpu and gpu score

I'm talking about 30K GPU score

My XTX hits 34.8K gpu score

So I'm actually being very generous

[runic spruce]

I forgot about gpu score and cpu score

[cyan ravine]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough

It's ok

[runic spruce]

Been a while since I’ve used timespy

[cyan ravine]

It's ok I probably should have been more specific, sorry

[formal mica]

Okay

[little osprey]

what test settings should i use for diskmark

is 3 passes of 1gb okay

[warped canyon]

I have colorful a320m-m.2 pro v14, is it support m.2 sata or nvme,

[fringe iris]

what is the best GPU + CPU combo right now for gaming?

[cyan ravine]

7800x3d/13900K(F/S)+4090/7900XTX depending on how you do it/value money

[atomic epoch]

I went with 7800x3d and 7900xtx. It's overkill right now except for 4k ray tracing cyberpunk

even 1440p ray tracing it runs pretty dang well

[cyan ravine]

You like the pc?

[atomic epoch]

loving it so far and no problems. I built it over this past weekend

[cyan ravine]

Sorry about the case issue btw. Pcpp didn't flag the case as a bad fit

Otherwise I'd have put a shorter gpu

[atomic epoch]

I was able to return it no biggie

[cyan ravine]

Ah sweet

[atomic epoch]

I knew these new cards were bug but I was not expecting a school bus lol

[cyan ravine]

Lol, the merc is a long boy

It's like a surfboard lmao

[atomic epoch]

lol yep

[cyan ravine]

Looks way better in person tho

[atomic epoch]

true

[upper condor]

7800x3d

make sure to update bios 🙏

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah true I forgot to say that

@atomic epoch make sure you update bios to latest, Zen 4 is burning up due to previously bad bios

[potent portal]

Again, this is why I avoid the first model on a new platform. Things like this always happen. Same with cars.

[lyric thistle]

Ez just avoid cars

[gentle pollen]

My ram just arrived alongside one the led strips I ordered!

[leaden mauve]

ALL MY HOMIES HATE CARS

CARS SUCK

(except for in an engineering/hobbyist context)

[lyric thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-annoying-trash-opinion-i-dont-care-dont-care-gif-21133785

I'm a car enthusiast

No I don't want to drive a car every day of my life

I want to ride my bike and take the train

[gentle pollen]

Please help, I just installed this new kit of ram and removed the old one then XMP however my system keeps blue screening.

R7-5700G + B550M DS3H.

[analog hearth]

does the BSOD state “ntkrnlos” anywhere?

@gentle pollen

[gentle pollen]

Where do I find the BSOD?

@analog hearth

[lyric thistle]

Should be in event viewer

[analog hearth]

or download BluescreenView from Nirsoft

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html
this will help find your error

[gentle pollen]

Is Event Viewer in bios?

[analog hearth]

it’s in Windows

[gentle pollen]

So I need to put my old ram in then to check it?

Currently I can't get past boot.

[analog hearth]

ah that’s the issue

take the CMOS battery out for five to ten minutes

[gentle pollen]

Where is that?

[lyric thistle]

Little circle battery on the motherboard

[analog hearth]

looks like this

[gentle pollen]

Is that safe?

Shut off the psu before doing so I am guessing?

How do I remove the battery?

[lyric thistle]

The little metal tab holding it in place from above on the side

Move it to the side and pull the battery upwards

[gentle pollen]

That clip on the side there?

Got it.

Man my fingers hurt.

[lyric thistle]

👍

[lyric thistle]

Everything about computers is designed to maximize finger hurty

[gentle pollen]

Apparently so.

So what should I do now?

Do I start the computer then put the battery back in?

[lyric thistle]

I think you put the battery in first lol

[jagged ember]

You really should wait like 5 minutes

Before you plug it back in

Then boot

[gentle pollen]

It's been about 8m.

[jagged ember]

Yeah then you can put the battery back in

Then boot pc

[gentle pollen]

Gotcha.

Finger hurty time.

[jagged ember]

Nah it won't hurt putting it in

Pulling it out is the hurty one

[gentle pollen]

You are right.

[jagged ember]

[gentle pollen]

Boot time

Is there a memory training period I should be expecting?

NVM I am in bios.

Time to setup my old CPU OC.

Time to see if I can load into windows.

Nothing seems to be posting, should I just give it a few moments before doing anything else?

Please help, nothing is posting now and I don't even see bios.

[leaden mauve]

I approve of the side panel-less PC

so would @celest horizon

YOUR PC IS EXCELLENT BROTHER

[open jungle]

THANK YOU BROTHER

I just got the desk pad in today lol

[leaden mauve]

which?

[open jungle]

Logitech G840 XL

[fleet heron]

Do you have the fan blow directly into your face!?

[open jungle]

Who

[fleet heron]

You

[open jungle]

No, it runs behind the monitor to help cool the Pc lol

[fleet heron]

Ah ic lmao

S.art

Smart

[open jungle]

It blows across my powerbrick so it doesn’t overheat

[fleet heron]

Ah ic

You also got them ugly fans so your dedicated to the airflow lol

[open jungle]

You mean the Noctua fan on my cooler?

[deep osprey]

might be going a different route is this a good starting out pc?

https://www.newegg.com/skytech-st-arch4-0556-w-ne/p/3D5-000Z-000X1

i feel like it’s very upgradable so if i wanted to upgrade in the future i could

still thinking whether or not to build

[mossy venture]

Please never ever ever ever buy skytech

[deep osprey]

what’s wrong with them?

[cyan ravine]

I could show you something much better for 900 if you were to build

[mossy venture]

Many things. I had one of their builds. They included the wrong power supply, ram that broke in months, a motherboard that broke in months, and a cooler worse than the amd stock cooler on my 3600

[deep osprey]

damn

thanks for telling me that i was seriously considering them

yea my price range probably varys between 900-1200

[cyan ravine]

@deep osprey https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wW2chk

actually no $10 more for better psu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wRjVjZ

this

or take the cooler off and do this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zxhchk

1200 you could do a fair bit better

1200 would get you this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HRfztn

you go from like, lower mid-range to high end

[mossy venture]

Great lists, I second all of them

[cyan ravine]

[deep osprey]

i looked at 6750xt build that i did for 1200$ but it had a aio this has way better value

[cyan ravine]

ya

minmax everything man

it'll work and work well

the 1200 build is good for basically anything in 1440p

900 build could do both 1440p or 1080p

[deep osprey]

thank you i’ll look into that i did more expensive with the cpu and cooler so that’s probably why the build i did was more like the price of the 6950xt build if not more

[cyan ravine]

ya

it's all about knowing the good sales

we're thrift and coupon shoppers here lol

[deep osprey]

lol i browse often with pc parts but never seem to actually recognize good deals

[cyan ravine]

oh me neither

it takes a bunch of people

it's a collective effort here for sure

[atomic epoch]

not mine but I just found something

[cyan ravine]

?

[atomic epoch]

that thing is just comically large

[cyan ravine]

oh

yeah it's a big boy

💀

it's called a Deepcool AK620

[upper condor]

Works well tho

[cyan ravine]

indeed

[earnest olive]

hey you got some motherboard on your cpu cooler

[broken basalt]

Hi I suppose. I'm a total rookie and I haven't built a PC since early versions of Windows Vista so I'm a wee bit out of date help

My attempted goal is to run cad cam design software, CNC routers and lasers. Additionally I would love to get back into a list games and that includes VR . I'm not trying to break the bank but what ever I get I don't want to have to worry about upgrading it for about 10 years. Esp with these prices I've been seeing. Any help on this would be great.

[cyan ravine]

Depends on the degree of what you expect to do

And your budget

[broken basalt]

Well I'm tryin to top my budget out at 2kish and I know I can be a pain in the ass but I would like it to do absolutely positively everything like I don't want there to be one setback one hurdle nothing I guess you can say I'm asking for a state-of-the-art PC without spending $10,000 because 10 years ago a state of the art PC was 1500 to 2,000

[cyan ravine]

Ok well

For 2000? You can get close to basically everything

Close

I'd say 3000 is when we really start getting there

2000 though you can be smart and get most of all without busting the piggy bank

[broken basalt]

Fair enough I've been looking at the I-9 13900 for a processor a RTX 4080 for graphics and maybe like in 8 terabyte SSD

[cyan ravine]

Nah, you won't fit those in a 2k budget

8tb is excessive, I'd go max of 2

[broken basalt]

That's kind of what I've been looking at and seeing though I've been seeing the 4080 for between 500 and 700 used and I recall correctly the 13900 was 5 or 600 so between those two components it's $1,000 and I grew up in a time where a motherboard was just a motherboard didn't need to be anything fancy and well yes 8 TB seems excessive there will be points in time where once I figure out everything I would like to as a possibility do video editing and uploading that's kind of like maybe 3 years down the road though

[cyan ravine]

4080 for 500 used??

That sounds like a scam

[mossy venture]

^

[broken basalt]

Ebay

[mossy venture]

4080 you won't find below $950

[cyan ravine]

Yeah ebay is frequent of scammers

4080 is worth way more and will sell for way more

[broken basalt]

That's is a fear of mine

[earnest olive]

he’s probably looking at incomplete auctions that are going to go way higher before they end

[broken basalt]

No I was choosing the buy now option

If I was to look at the auctions I'd find them for $100 to 300 start

[earnest olive]

prob scams or broken cards then

[cyan ravine]

There's no way my friend

[broken basalt]

That is a fear but I've never had a graphics card fail. But then again you got to remember I was using ddr2 and DDR3 was just coming out

[cyan ravine]

Guarantee if those were going that cheap, I'd have bought them myself if they were legit 😂

For 2 grand I could realistically picture a 13900KF build with a used 3090

And 128gb of ram

[broken basalt]

If I can figure out how to bring the screenshot over I can show you one that sold for $700

Either way. So your saying a 3090. How old is it

[cyan ravine]

2 years old

24gb vram

Almost as fast as a 4080

312 bit bus iirc

[broken basalt]

What's the biggest difference between the two

[cyan ravine]

For cad? The extra vram

For games? 20%?

[broken basalt]

Fair enough. Won't additional ram help that though

[cyan ravine]

I mean, in any capacity ram helps yeah but video ram is of it's own beast

It'll make a difference

[broken basalt]

I was thinking of this for ram

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-192gb/p/N82E16820236983?item=N82E16820236983

Would that not compensate I mean you got to remember I was initially considering using a 4080 with it

[cyan ravine]

I'd do something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tqHmbK

You won't get a 4080 in this budget, those prices on ebay are scams. 100%

You can find 3090's on r/Hardwareswap for around 650-ish. It's a verified place on reddit. They follow strict processes and use paypal goods and services so you get what you paid for or your money back

[broken basalt]

Shame because the one I was just looking at sold for $700 I wish it was real I'd send you the screenshot but it won't let me says I don't have permission

Nice fair enough I might have to check it out I'm not a big Reddit guy more like I don't use it like this is my first time in discord ever

[cyan ravine]

I'm actually not seeing any 4080 under 1K rn lol

I see lots under bidding but not buying

[broken basalt]

Fair enough.
Tbh I'm still trying to figure out why a graphics card is more than like three $400 because that's what they were I'm sitting here scratching my head I'm like I don't know what happened to the pricing

[cyan ravine]

Gpus are worth way more than they were 10 years ago for sure

Their power is exponentially better too

A 3090 will realistically run anything you want

It's about as good as a tailored nvidia workstation card for cad and cuda

[broken basalt]

Fair enough I mean I remember finishing building a PC back then it cost me like $1,000 and it like a few weeks later quake 4 came out and it couldn't even run quick four all because I had a graphics card that was like three models too old. But I suppose a 390 will be good

[cyan ravine]

Yeah man, 3090's are still great

Think of it like, a 4070Ti but better suited for what you need

[broken basalt]

So we've set 3090
What about in terms of AMD do they have a chip as good as if not better than Intel's state of the art 13900

[cyan ravine]

For cad no

[weary galleon]

(You can still build a PC for $1000)

[cyan ravine]

Cad is intel territory

[broken basalt]

Ok fair

[cyan ravine]

Cad is also amd gpu territory but vr isn't

So nvidia it is

Unless you wanted to explore options

[broken basalt]

What would be the best Intel processor then and I'm always looking to explore options

[cyan ravine]

I'd need to drop the intel cpu down a peg but it'll still be pretty strong

I can probably fit a 7900XTX in here

Those are good for vr or cad

[broken basalt]

I'm sorry as you probably noticed I'm very out of touch with tech terms 7900 XTX what is is it graphics card is it processor sorry I am very very out of touch

[weary galleon]

Graphics card

[broken basalt]

Ok so a 7900 paired with what then

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPzVjZ

Like this

Note, it's an i5 but the new i5 is as good as or better than last year's i9

In like, basically every way

So a bit of a kick down, some 30% multicore cpu power, but somewhat of a 25%-ish gpu boost

[broken basalt]

Okay no I've been seeing a lot of this thing called m.2 is this a new form of hard drive cuz they look like thumb drives that are different

[upper condor]

Very, very fast storage device

[broken basalt]

Are they better than 2.5 ssds because I thought that was the standard

[little osprey]

loading into games (specifically valorant matches) is EXTREMELY slow. i'll load into deathmatches like 1 minute after it's started. what part of my pc do i upgrade to fix this? i'm thinking cpu right?

and if it is cpu how do i know which other cpus work on my motherboard?

if not cpu then what?

[broken basalt]

Maybe gpu is my guess

[little osprey]

i have a 1660 super i dont think that would be an issue

i have an AMD Ryzen 5 5600G with Radeon Graphics

[cyan ravine]

As fast or way way faster

And smaller

[cyan ravine]

Is valorant installed on a hard drive

[little osprey]

ya my ssd is tiny asl

and i dont think i can install an m.2 on this pc

[cyan ravine]

There's ur problem ma'am

You want it on an ssd for a quick load time

[little osprey]

for online matches?

[cyan ravine]

Ya for anything really

[little osprey]

yea i knew that but is that really the only fix for this??

[broken basalt]

My understanding for online matches and whatnot is your PCX kind of like a local hub so the slower your local hub the slower your game I could be completely wrong

[cyan ravine]

That's gonna be the only fix yeah

[little osprey]

not a better cpu?

[cyan ravine]

Nah man, 5700g is plenty fast

The thing is with HDD's they only have so much of what is called iOPS

[little osprey]

yea i figured. the kid i bought this pc off of installed an hdd inside this thing and tbf idek what kind of hdd it is

[cyan ravine]

Which is the basic measurement of speed for a drive

Windows can access up to something like, 266K iOPS?

Which is much faster than a hard drive

But slower than an ssd

[little osprey]

is there any internal way to check the iops of my hdd or do i have to go inside the pc?

[cyan ravine]

It's not even really worth checking tbh

[little osprey]

are there any hdd's that have a decent iops?

[cyan ravine]

An ssd will exceed what windows can basically use in almost any form

Since direct storage isn't the norm yet

You'll go from like, 30 second to 1 minute load times down to like, 5 seconds or less

[little osprey]

yea i had val on an m.2 on my old pc and it was fast asl

[cyan ravine]

I'd recommend either, teamgroup mp33 (M.2) or silicon power a55 (SATA)

[little osprey]

wouldnt i have to reinstall windows on those?

[cyan ravine]

Nah

[little osprey]

would i not have to reinstall like literally everything on this pc ? or ?

[cyan ravine]

Just hook it up, activate it in windows, create the drive

Bam

Games drive

[little osprey]

does the mp33 connect to virtually any motherboard?

[cyan ravine]

To a 5700G board? It should

[little osprey]

rn i have a hp pavillion 💀

[cyan ravine]

If you have an open m.2 slot it absolutely should

[little osprey]

does the pavillion have m.2 slots?

[cyan ravine]

No clue, likely yes but no idea if more than one

And if it's more than sata even

[broken basalt]

Hey Felix I kind of got to ask take a look at the build you put together on the parts picker is or should I say will the motherboard take ddr5 cuz it says ddr4 I just don't know if it can take five maybe a different board or do you think I should not splurge on the Rams

[cyan ravine]

Very good reason for this

At this stage ddr5 only really works up to reasonably 64gb

You want capacity over speed imo

[broken basalt]

So that whole thing that I sent you that did 192 gigs is essentially useless

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[broken basalt]

Is that a Windows limitation or something

[cyan ravine]

Marketing is fun isn't it

[broken basalt]

Not really

[cyan ravine]

No boards and architecture just can't handle the stress of so much ram

That goes for both amd and intel

[broken basalt]

So what they'll just artificially cap the ram

[cyan ravine]

Nah the chip will try to run it, fail, then boot into safe speeds

Which will be slower, than ddr4...

[broken basalt]

Oh my so maybe just ddr5 64 gigs would be better than ddr4 64 gigs or is that incorrect

[cyan ravine]

That is correct

But for workstation I'd do 128gb of ddr4 over 64gb ddr5

[broken basalt]

Let's try and compare apples to apples here so if I did 128 gigs of ddr5 is better than ddr4

[cyan ravine]

Yes, but it won't run well if at all

[little osprey]

my pc has an active m.2 apparentl

[cyan ravine]

Blue screens, corrupted windows, slower than slowest ddr5 spec

[broken basalt]

What causes that once again architecture of the of the chips

[cyan ravine]

All sorts of problems crop up with high capacity ddr5

Yes

Not strong enough to handle it yet

[broken basalt]

Huh go figure and here I am trying to stick the the big gun in the small hole essentially

[cyan ravine]

Ya lolol

64gb is feasible enough since it runs on 2 sticks

[little osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100573346510417990/1100590278181662750/IMG_0405.jpg

[cyan ravine]

96gb can as well but support is still early days, it'll be a long time before it's reliable

[broken basalt]

But then don't you have to worry about channels I was just going to bypass that by getting a match set of whatever the biggest is in filling all four slots that way I don't feel oh well I can't put this one here cuz it's this channel I don't I just don't want to think about it I just want to feel my slots

[little osprey]

pc inside

wont let me post images

[broken basalt]

Fill the slots

[cyan ravine]

See that blue stick

[little osprey]

yea the m.2

[cyan ravine]

That's the m.2

Ye

[little osprey]

yea ik that

but

whys so small?

cant even fit valorant

[cyan ravine]

Lol

Ask hp

[little osprey]

is there any way i can like

add a sata or m.2 or something for val?

[broken basalt]

Maybe putting in a bigger one I know they make two tb

[cyan ravine]

You'll fill all 4 slots on the ddr4 setup

[cyan ravine]

Ya you can

[little osprey]

how

[cyan ravine]

For m.2 you'd stick it in another slot if you have one

Or for sata you'd use a sata cable and sata power cable

[little osprey]

i dont think i have an extra slot, doesn't look like i have another tbh

[cyan ravine]

Sata power comes from the psu

[little osprey]

what would sata even do for me?

[cyan ravine]

Sata cable you'd buy separately

[cyan ravine]

It's just the type of ssd

Means no difference for valorant

Well it does but not enough to really notice

[little osprey]

so theres no point for sata

i just need to buy better ssd

[cyan ravine]

There's a point

You can use a sata ssd without reinstalling windows

If you only have 1 m.2 slot then you need to move your old stuff to the new m.2

You need a second pc or adapter for that

[little osprey]

eesh

[broken basalt]

Felix. Is terms of m.2 would a board with more slots be better

[little osprey]

okay thank you so much for the help. i'll look into a new m.2

[cyan ravine]

Depends, how much storage have you ever needed before

[broken basalt]

Well considering the last round of storage I used to have was 500 gigs and I wasn't doing anything close to what I'm planning on doing then I'd say yeah more storage for me is going to be better is it possible to have like three or four m.2 slots with a combination of like two or three 2.5 slots for SSD

[cyan ravine]

So

If I'm remembering the ud ax and aorus correctly

The aorus has 3 m.2, 6 ssd sata

The ud ax has 2 m.2, 6 ssd sata

[broken basalt]

Nice and that'll pair well with one of the cards and chips sets

[cyan ravine]

The drive I attached is either 1 or 2 terabytes

Fair bit more than 500 gb

[broken basalt]

Kind of basically my goal here is going to be building a PC that I don't have to crack the case on unless I'm just blowing out dust for like the next 10 years

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Oh both options should run pretty well

Just be wary for the 7900XTX

Anything cuda related you'll be a bit slower

But for general cad it'll be faster

[broken basalt]

I've heard of cuda not real sure what it is

[cyan ravine]

Cuda is proprietary nvidia tech

Or rather

patented design of their gpu core architecture

The thing with cuda is that it has better support in a lot of scenarios

[broken basalt]

Okay must have been a tech article I read. What kind of scenarios. in terms of cooling I grew up with you know 120 mil fans liquid cooling was something that was extraordinarily expensive and extraordinarily hard to run is it better than the fans for long-term running

[cyan ravine]

I could toot the horn of better power in the xtx but the 3090 is very much a do all gpu

[cyan ravine]

Liquid cooling is a lot better these days

[broken basalt]

Like if you had to say what would be the most important component to liquid cool

[cyan ravine]

Uh

Depends

Cpu is the go to

But if I picked which I'd prefer, gpu

13900K has to use liquid cooling though, and high end at that

[broken basalt]

Is there a way to do it without a piping nightmare because I know for CPU I'm pretty sure I've seen something that look like a card and a couple of hoses that clip onto the top of it

[cyan ravine]

Not really

Lol

You pay extra for liquid cooled gpus

Liquid cooling in general really

But the i9 needs it in the first build

Going with a tower cooler would really hurt it

[broken basalt]

Okay so how does somebody who's never piped liquid cooling run liquid cooling and make it look I suppose decent because it seems like most cases nowadays are clear or semi clear and are designed to show off the internals which I don't really care about

[cyan ravine]

You'd pay someone to do it

[broken basalt]

That complicated eh

[cyan ravine]

It takes practice, also a lot of planning and know how yeah

[broken basalt]

I mean I wouldn't know who to turn to all I have around here is Best buy and you know Best buy

[cyan ravine]

I mean you work cad, you could probably figure it out 😛

But it's definitely very complicated

[broken basalt]

I mean I work CAD and I also do plumbing but this is the type of plumbing I've never done

[cyan ravine]

If you stick to the list tho

Everything goes together like lego

So nothing super complex

[broken basalt]

Okay

[cyan ravine]

Easier to think about

Lol

[broken basalt]

Lmao. Sometimes when building something that can be used now and in the future simple isn't always the best yet sometimes it is

[cyan ravine]

Ya that's the other thing

Liquid cooling a system properly means upgrading is stupid hard

Even if you're smart about it

[broken basalt]

That's why it's if you're going to do something like that you plan on putting the best the best in only because you don't want to have to f*** with it

[cyan ravine]

Ya ofc

But even maintenance

You have to drain it and clean it out every 6 months to a year

Refill it, test it again

Buy all the materials to refill it

[broken basalt]

Why is that I would think in a perpetually closed system running essentially distilled water it's not going to go anywhere if it gets too hot it will turn to steam it will condensate and it'll cool off and it'll be water again

[cyan ravine]

Cos you get build up

[broken basalt]

Of what

[cyan ravine]

Bacteria, particles, algae

Etc etc

It's not infallibly static

Like a pool, it needs maintenance

Easier to think of it that way

[broken basalt]

Never considered that huh. I figured a sealed system like that nothing would be escaping so therefore nothing would be getting in I mean I figured fans need blowing

[cyan ravine]

Well the liquid cooler I linked is properly sealed

So it's gonna last much longer

Years

[broken basalt]

Now the liquid cooler you linked is that the entire I'm going to need or is there other parts of a liquid cooler that aren't listed there

[cyan ravine]

Everything I listed should be everything needed

[broken basalt]

Okay and you're saying using a different board for additional m.2 and ssds I'm still trying to figure out how to use all this stuff again

I'm so out of the loop

[cyan ravine]

Boards as I've listed them in the builds

You shouldn't need more

Since the power design also plays a factor in those choices

[broken basalt]

What was the name of that board that had the 3m.2's

[cyan ravine]

The aorus one I think I put in one of those two lists

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tqHmbK
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPzVjZ

[broken basalt]

Oh okay so they're the gigabyte boards okay I've heard good and bad on them at least that brand lately but if you recommend them

[cyan ravine]

Every brand has good or bad

Gigabyte is fine for z690 ddr4

Z690 ddr5 though they struggle

[broken basalt]

Is there a board on the market that can currently handle ddr5 that can also take the 13900

[cyan ravine]

Not more than 64gb no

The cpu is the problem

No ddr5 cpus can handle 128gb of ddr5 well yet

[broken basalt]

Can that be fixed with a software update down the line or is that a physical limitation do you know

[cyan ravine]

Physical limitation

Software barely made it any better

[broken basalt]

I thought they were getting ready to release ddr6 in like a year or less how are they going to do that if they can't even support ddr5 properly

[cyan ravine]

Also you'd have to take a downgrade somewhere in the budget to make ddr5 fit btw

[cyan ravine]

They won't is how they'll do it

[broken basalt]

What kind of malarkey is that

[hollow steeple]

Is Ryzen 5 5600G and RX 6600 XT a good combo?

[cyan ravine]

Marketing

[cyan ravine]

5600 and 6600 is

If it's all new

[broken basalt]

Smh you've been a big help. It seems as if you are quite versed with this PC stuff I assume you're always around if I need to ask you additional questions

[cyan ravine]

All good man

Yeah, I've been around and got all the scars

[broken basalt]

See I grew up with Windows 3.11 I'm through up till Vista I remember when dual core was new they were discussing quad core's and that was about the time I got out of it because I started focusing on career and getting my life in order so I just stuck to a phone and I said everything's going to be just fine well with the Advent of affordable or semi affordable CNC machines laser cutters 3D printers in the fact that I have my own personal woodshop that I'm looking to add additional things to such as the aforementioned items above it's about time I break back into a PC I initially thought laptop but I don't think it's going to have everything I need

[gentle pollen]

PCs are fun so long as you can handle the tedious bits here and there when upgrading.

[strong raft]

Good enough that even for 1080p it's pretty much not holding back this gpu in some games (ie; easily avg 160+ fps). Probably the most value & best upgrade I've done for $130ish. Almost should've kept the gtx 1080 a bit longer & try it w/ this cpu.

[potent portal]

Just the preliminary spec. Engineering samples will be coming soon. We won't get them on consumer products for at least 2 years if everything goes perfectly, which it won't so 3.

[dense brook]

High

OS: 64-bit Windows® 10 version 1909 or newer
Processor: Intel® Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen™ 2700X
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce® RTX 2060 or AMD Radeon™ RX 5700 XT
DirectX®: Version 12
Storage: SSD with 90 GB available space
Internet: Broadband Connection

• 1080p resolution, high graphics settings, 60fps

Is this do-able for 400usd?

[potent portal]

If you go used parts you can get pretty close

[dense brook]

2700x
B450m
2060 12gb
3200 ddr4 8g x2

I hv windows n ssd. Seems quite do-able

[potent portal]

DDR4 is uber cheap right now too, 32GB is only a few dollars more than 16GB and used parts are more expensive than new

[dense brook]

Nice! 32gb even better!

[potent portal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134536582815
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155443316292
Boom ez combo

[dense brook]

4600g is better than 2700x?

[potent portal]

Yes it has better single core performance, which is what games care about

[dense brook]

Wow awesome

[potent portal]

If you go for an auction you can probably get an even cheaper GPU

Example https://www.ebay.com/itm/166048396829

Ends in a few hours

[cyan ravine]

Eagle is amazing

Can confirm

[potent portal]

Any triple fan 6600 is going to be huge overkill

Oh but this doesn't take into account power supply and case, if you have those already perfect

[dense brook]

I don’t lol

[potent portal]

Oh shoot I forgot the 5700 XT is actually a little higher up than the 6600, my bad

You can get a 5700 XT for $120-130 if you're patient in an auction

[dense brook]

I see 130 Msi 5700xt

[fossil cedar]

Btw don't actually take these to heart, minimum/recommend game specs are just whatever the game devs decided to test it on

[dense brook]

110 2060 asus tuf

[fossil cedar]

Like if a 2700x can do it so could a 2600

[potent portal]

Recommended specs especially are arbitrary, since who knows what resolution, detail, and fps they're targeting

[fossil cedar]

For 400 you'd wanna go entirely used

[dense brook]

Yea I kr it’s a little higher than what it actually is. I saw yT videos of 1060gb 6g doing highsettings 60fps. Jus the texture seems a little bit different from rt

[potent portal]

At least with minimums you can assume they're targeting 1080p low/medium 60 fps

[fossil cedar]

I'd probably aim for like a gtx 1070 with maybe a used 10400f or something

[fossil cedar]

Don't expect to do RT btw

[potent portal]

Oh yeah no you won't be doing RT on anything less than a 3070, and even then you'll need DLSS performance mode

[dense brook]

Ah ok

[fossil cedar]

For 1080p I'd say 3060/2070 would do for RT

Also RT is still a meme anyway

Best RT game is the bad version of Minecraft change my mind

[potent portal]

Def, the image quality changes are laughably small for how much performance is lost

[potent portal]

https://afkgaming.com/esports/news/unrecords-gameplay-trailer-sparks-controversy-for-being-too-realistic

[dense brook]

Any point in getting rog strix or tuf?

[fossil cedar]

No

[fossil cedar]

Yeah saw that lol

[potent portal]

Nah they're not actually better in any meaningful way

[fossil cedar]

For gpu model just get the cheapest of the card that you can find

[potent portal]

Occasionally there's known bad models to avoid, like the mech 2x 3070

[dense brook]

Not real

It looks so real wfh

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but nothing in their price range has any heat issues anyway

[potent portal]

It's a 3D scan but if you look at the right things it's pretty clearly a game

They had to post a noclip video to prove that it was in engine though lol

[fossil cedar]

Bet it's gonna run as smooth as portal rt kekw

[potent portal]

They're geniuses for one major thing, though: The game is played from the perspective of a body cam, which means some things you can hide under post processing filters and make it look even better

UE5 lookin spicy 🌶️

[fossil cedar]

Sounds fancy

[dense brook]

Anyone has experience with jonsbo d30 case?

[dense brook]

Yucks it’s so dusty n in bad condition
50 bucks

[mossy venture]

https://www.the-sun.com/tech/7958204/amazon-shoppers-popular-laptop-deal-cheap/ there is no way this writer is serious

Even if they're being paid for that article, no way they're serious

[lyric thistle]

Oh no

4GB

:(

Why would that be worth even 260

[weary galleon]

Metro Exodus PC Enhanced

The Bedrock raytracing isn't that great imo

SEUS PTGI is quite good but only works in small environments with specific materials

[lyric thistle]

I don't like the Minecraft RTX

Too much fog all the time and too much godray

That's before even getting into the way things are illuminated indoors

It needs to look nice outdoors before ever caring about the indoors

[weary galleon]

Also the ray updates are super noticable when breaking blocks

[fossil cedar]

It's the only game where you actually see a big diff

But shaders are better and everyone plays java

[lyric thistle]

SEUS PTGI is the functional equivalent tbh

And it can be run on lower end hardware by dialing back the settings

And it's better lol

[weary galleon]

At least the last time I used it, it didn't work very well in normal open worlds

On the small test world with specific blocks it looked amazing through

[lyric thistle]

Not sure what you mean

The path traced global illumination part that functions as the whole "ray tracing" thing works decently

It might be hard to line up a room or area for the light to scatter a lot

[weary galleon]

Yeah I haven't tried ptgi in a while so it may have gotten some improvements

[lyric thistle]

Idk the free version might still be the same as it was I haven't looked in a while

[dense brook]

Fun toy for Diablo1, it runs windows 95!

[lyric thistle]

itty bitty

[fleet heron]

No it's average!

[safe zenith]

Can someone help me with my pc build? I ordered parts and realized that they might not be compatible with one another 🙄 it would be great if someone could inform me about my specs

[frigid night]

post your specs so we can tell you what you want to know..

[mossy venture]

^

[safe zenith]

• Fractal Design Torrent RGB Black E-ATX Tempered Glass Window High-Airflow Mid Tower Computer Case

• GIGABYTE B650I AORUS ULTRA AM5 AMD B650 SATA 6Gb/s Mini ITX Motherboard

• SAMSUNG 870 QVO Series 2.5" 2TB SATA III Samsung 4-bit QLC V-NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-77Q2T0B/AM

• CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop memory Model CMK64GX5M2B6000C40

• XFX Speedster MERC 319 AMD RX 6950 XT Black Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6 RX-695XATBD9

• NZXT Kraken Z73 360mm Liquid Cooler with LCD Display LGA 1700 Compatible - White

• AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D - Ryzen 9 7000 Series 12-Core 4.4 GHz Socket AM5 120W AMD Radeon Graphics Desktop Processor - 100-100000909WOF

• Seasonic FOCUS GX-1000, 1000W 80+ Gold, Full-Modular, Fan Control in Fanless, Silent, and Cooling Mode

[safe zenith]

.
I assume I probably need a better motherboard tbh

[mossy venture]

I would not have bought most of that, im guessing that cost around $2500+?

Paid the premium for a good mitx board when you're using an atx case

Psu, aio, ram, ssd and mobo likely all overpriced

The 5600 is enough for a 6950xt for gaming, let alone a 7900x3d. I would get a 13600k with a better gpu

[safe zenith]

Yeah about $2700

[potent portal]

ITX in a Torrent
It'll work but it's going to look tiny AF.
You'll also want to move the front 180mm fans to the bottom.

[safe zenith]

I definitely am not a computer guy since I’ve taken a long break from pc. Can you say that in English? Lol

[safe zenith]

Yeah didn’t even realize until I really looked. Is there a better motherboard I can get?

[safe zenith]

You saying to upgrade my graphics card?

[potent portal]

8+2+1 105A power stages
Honestly that board is fine it's just going to look small in that case

The issue I have with it is something rather unintuitive. The 7900X3D loses to the 7800X3D in gaming. Only get the 7900X3D if you're playing CS:GO religiously since that's really the only game that works better on it.

As an example, cyberpunk

[safe zenith]

Sorry I don’t understand 8+2+1 105A power stages 🥲

[safe zenith]

Ahh okay, so I need to switch the processor and everything else will be fine? Besides the ugly aesthetics?

[potent portal]

I'll break it down for you if you want, or give you the short version

[potent portal]

Yes, unless your game of choice is csgo the cheaper 7800X3D is actually better

[safe zenith]

Can you send me a DM? Shoot I’ll even throw you some cash just for helping me with this. This is my first time building and I don’t want to get half way through and realize it can’t be fully built and not be able to get refunded

[safe zenith]

That makes sense!

[potent portal]

Nono that's really not necessary, and is against server rules to offer cash btw

[safe zenith]

Oh wow, I better read them then. Thanks

[atomic epoch]

instant ban unforgivable

||jk||

[safe zenith]

You know if my power supply is too much for my motherboard?

[potent portal]

There's no such thing as too much power supply

You could have gotten away with 750W or 850W if you want to try overclocking, but 1000W won't hurt anything

[earnest olive]

it's all compatible just some strange choices

[earnest olive]

is it against server rules to offer dinner dates

[safe zenith]

😅 do you generally want to stay with the same brands? Or are my specs just whack?

I just went with what Newegg said. And I switched out a couple parts which probably is the reason it’s ugly

[potent portal]

Depends on who's buying imo

[earnest olive]

(I am asking you out)

[earnest olive]

brands don't matter a whole lot in the PC space

[potent portal]

I don't think my wife would like that

[earnest olive]

damn

I bet I'm better at overclocking than she is

leave her

[potent portal]

Well you're not wrong. She's the creative, social type not the technical type.

[earnest olive]

tell her she's on thin ice

if she ever buys you corsair vengeance as a gift it's over

[potent portal]

DDR4? Yeah that would end it

DDR5? Maybe we could work that out

[safe zenith]

There’s already 3 fans on the bottom, so there are 5 total (2 in front)

[potent portal]

Your AIO will need to go on the front, and the front fans will be moved to the bottom. Take one of the 140mm bottom fans and put it on the back of the case.
The Torrent comes with a fan hub, and you have 3 fan headers. Use the CPU fan header for the fans on the AIO, the pump header for the pump, and the fan hub with the case fans on the system fan header.

[earnest olive]

4x4gb 2666 16-19-19-39 1.2V

(this is a real corsair bin btw)

[safe zenith]

🤔 I might understand a little bit. Can I send you a video of what I think you mean so there’s visual representation?

[earnest olive]

my friend had that bin, and it had 2 different IC types mixed into the same kit

truly a corsair moment

I helped her oc it to 2800 but it couldn't go any further lol

[potent portal]

I'll do you one better and send put up a couple pics of my build. It'll be really similar since I have a Torrent and AIO also but my AIO is too big for the case lol.

This was on the bottom originally, now it's on the back

These were on the front originally, they go on a removable rail system for ease of install

Then the AIO on front, there's a separate set of rails that come with the case for it

[potent portal]

That's worthy of no warning no contact just gone

[earnest olive]

my friend said she bought this pc from a friend she trusted

once I told her just how badly she got screwed she cut contact with him lmao

bro sold her a PC with no dgpu and then also stole the modular GPU power cable to make it harder to upgrade

we bought a gpu power cable from cablemod

[potent portal]

This is why I don't do business with people I know. One of my best friends since we were babies is a landlord now and offered a place for us. I'm not touching that no matter how good a deal he gives us.

[earnest olive]

I don't mind selling pcs to friends but it's a one time transaction and I have no intention to screw them over so it's safe enough

but in general yeah I've learned some things about friends and money lol

[potent portal]

When I build PCs for friends I tell them what to buy and then build it for free

No risk to anyone that way

[earnest olive]

if it's a good enough friend I'll offer for free but they never let me do it for free anyways

[safe zenith]

That helps a lot! Thank you, I have a way better understanding 🙏

[potent portal]

Yeah I offer to do it for free but they usually want to tip me

[earnest olive]

sometimes they come up with interesting ways to pay lol

one of my friends said he'd cook me a nice dinner in exchange

it was in fact a nice dinner

[lyric thistle]

Pog

[broken basin]

Can't get it to mount properly:/ that's as far as it'll screw down

[lyric thistle]

It looks like there's something upside down?

Can't quite tell at this angle but

There's like the archy bit

And it bows upwards instead of downwards

Is that something that can be removed and flipped around

[broken basin]

I think it's removable but cooler came with it screwed like that

Oh I think I figured it out wasn't screwing evenly

[lyric thistle]

F

[gloomy rock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JZyjmr

A list for a friend with a $2500 budget, has monitor and peripherals already

[frigid night]

save $50. I'm sure there is better price options as well.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fxpfqm

[gloomy rock]

They're complaining they want a "top of the line" SSD for their boot drive

I tried explaining it's dumb but they are complaining about it

[frigid night]

mp34 is way more than enough for a boot drive

[gloomy rock]

The ram though is a great consideration

[frigid night]

yeah it's hynix.. good for overclocking

[gloomy rock]

They won't touch overclocking I'm having to build the system for them

[frigid night]

oc it for them 🙂

[gloomy rock]

Maybe I will

[frigid night]

Do they already have the cooler?

[gloomy rock]

Tbh the cooler and case is for the sole reason it's the ones I have and it'll be easier for me to build LOL

[frigid night]

Use what ya got. I like it

also, how come a 13700k over a 13600k?

are they just gaming?

[gloomy rock]

They are getting into cad and coding as a hobby

Also their current PC is a 2011 build they have kept for 10+ years so I think longevity may be a bit better with 13700K

They have a GTX 480 in their machine still

Just gaming tbh it's dumb to go above a 13400

6+4 is plenty

[frigid night]

I think a 13600k will be plenty.. even for longevity.

that'll save them another $80 to put elsewhere.

[gloomy rock]

You're probably right

[frigid night]

especially since it's only going to be a hobby. If it was their full time work, I could understand.

[vague oracle]

As a hobby even a 13400 will be fine for them

[frigid night]

yeah, but factoring in he seems to only upgrade every 10 years.. I think a 13600k would be a solid choice here

[vague oracle]

Yeah 13600k is definitely a solid choice

[gloomy rock]

I just feel like I'm gimping a system that's going to be 7,8,9,10 years old one day

[vague oracle]

Lol I was running a 6700k literally last year without issues

[frigid night]

for gaming, there is no huge difference between 13600k and 13700k

13600k has enough cores it'll last.

the only reason to go above that really is if you are doing production work.

[mossy venture]

Only cpu worth it over 13600k for gaming is the 7800x3d, and that's only if you're already buying a 4080/4090/7900xtx

[frigid night]

so whether he has the 13600/13700.. he won't notice any difference between the 2, 10 years from now

[potent portal]

It's impossible to tell the future but based on current trends unless something major happens, games aren't using more cores any time soon.

[high yew]

ryzen 5 3600 still a good gaming chip nowadays? or get something more newish?

[potent portal]

At 1080p, might be good to get a newer chip depending on what you play. Anything higher, the 3600 can still hold up ok.

[obsidian wigeon]

I wouldn't get 3600 as new right now

[obsidian wigeon]

Also do be careful with AM5, all cpus and mobos are affected with cpu burnout issue

There is no fix issued yet

[potent portal]

Well there's a hotfix issued, where they limit the SoC voltage

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

That's just a band aid solution

[potent portal]

Yeah but hopefully it prevents more incidents, assuming people update bios

[obsidian wigeon]

Basically no one if they don't know about the news

[potent portal]

Which is why it's good to talk about it at every opportunity so we can spread awareness

[obsidian wigeon]

Ya, that's what I'm doing

Wouldn't wanna have people having dead pcs

[dense brook]

Which layout has better airflow?
Ps15 - 12cm x2 front, 12cm x1 back
Vs
Jonsbo d30 - 12 x2 bottom, 12cm x1 back, 12cm x1 top(is one ok?)

[obsidian wigeon]

the first pic with one back fan

[potent portal]

They both have back fans lol

But yeah a front intake is better than a bottom intake, except for GPU temps

[dense brook]

Cools! Saves some $ on case n fans with option1 😍

Triple fans on 2060 stock clock should be ok

One kit is enough for building entire pc?

[frigid night]

more than enough

[obsidian wigeon]

That kit can even take apart phones

i got one myself, tho it's a bigger kit

a 64 in 1 xiaomi kit

[tawny fiber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zqsztn

think this is the best fps per dollar 1600$ budget can get you?

[obsidian wigeon]

sub optimal case but that's as good as it gets

no preinstalled fans is one drawback i see

[frigid night]

With a 7900 XTX you'd most likely be playing in higher res which would make the 13100 have slightly lower perf than a 13400. Like.. slightly.
then you could put that exta $ towards a 2tb nvme instead

or better case

[frigid night]

also, this is cheaper ram
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PV7GL6C?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

[wheat coral]

if you have it: yes but upgrade when you feel its getting slow

if youre just now building: dont buy it, even on a budget, there is significantly better options for cheaper or the same price

[wheat coral]

for 1620 you can do a 13600KF instead

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Jw9Vw

[fossil cedar]

Man my d15s barely cools my 13600k

[wheat coral]

uv you goober

[fossil cedar]

I'm running.a uv

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cXMBMb

[wheat coral]

do you just have the worst chip ever cause the 13600k draws only like 200w lol

[fossil cedar]

Exactly a 214xt is not equipped for 200w lol

[mossy venture]

214xt is most certainly not fit for a 13600k lol

[earnest olive]

would probably be fine for just gaming

but also an AK/AG620 is not that expensive

[fossil cedar]

Thermalright has a 7 heat pipe cooler that beats the ag620 for like 40$ like

It's a no brainer

[earnest olive]

👁️

guess i have not been paying enough attention to air coolers lately then

[fossil cedar]

My apologies 50$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se

But the ft120 is 6 pipes and 40$

Thermalright stonks

[analog hearth]

y’all are reminding me that I should repaste my 3700X

[fossil cedar]

Eh probably fine

[analog hearth]

it’s on its stock cooler and I’ve been running it with the stock paste since I got it (around 2020 I think) 💀

temps sit tight around 50C (usually between 48C and 52C)

[fossil cedar]

Idle is usually just a representation of how many apps you have on startup+ room temp

[analog hearth]

that’s probably the real reason for temps hanging around 50C. my room is a bit warmer than i’d like (also because of this system)

[earnest olive]

but how are load temps

[cyan ravine]

Idle 50-ish on ryzen is very normal, even on a godly loop

Thermal transfer moment™️