no one uses dvi anyways
#building-and-recc-chat
dusty cedar
gentle pollen
It's brand new though.
gentle pollen
no one uses dvi anyways
Dvi?
obsidian wigeon
This blank screen always means it couldn't detect an OS
formal mica
drive could be dead then
obsidian wigeon
Again try removing drives
formal mica
got a good drive somwhere?
leaden mauve
if its an nvme not being detected, try disabling fast boot
and theres another setting, i forget lol
obsidian wigeon
Problem is we couldn't get into bios
leaden mauve
ah alright
gentle pollen
Got into bios.
obsidian wigeon
Okay that's a step
dusty cedar
he doesn't appear to have bios flashback either
gentle pollen
For some reason I noticed when I shut off the PC all the RGB was still on so I tried cutting the power then starting the pc
That worked.
obsidian wigeon
Maybe
dusty cedar
could just be the settings you were messing with today
gentle pollen
One sec, need to reboot PC to get into bios accidentally loaded into the windows.
formal mica
@obsidian wigeon should I wait for all my stuff in to put it together or should I do it piece by piece all im missing is psu cpu fan and storage
gentle pollen
So what's causing this? I pressed the power button yet all the lighting stays on, no video is displayed.
obsidian wigeon
<@214044000556941312> should I wait for all my stuff in to put it together or sh...
I mean you can do that
Try to boot with igpu and all
Your cpu does have gpu in itself
At this stage you can already have a working pc
Wait you're missing the cpu and ram and psu, well
Blah I would wait lmao
obsidian wigeon
ye that too
formal mica
psu
obsidian wigeon
I suspect it might be psu?
gentle pollen
Didn't change anything.
formal mica
darn
dusty cedar
i would just wait. there's no point putting anything together until you have everything
formal mica
how old is psu
obsidian wigeon
Odd power issues is usually psu problem
formal mica
i would just wait. there's no point putting anything together until you have eve...
gotta wait a whole week };
dusty cedar
you waited every day before then so a week wont hurt any
earnest olive
man i'm so glad that ryzen 7000 has igpus without reducing cpu performance now
gentle pollen
I suspect it might be psu?
It's a two year old 750w EVGA GA
earnest olive
igpus are cool
obsidian wigeon
5000G has half the cache compared to non-G variant
Well having igpu is great for diagnostic purposes
formal mica
nvm
gentle pollen
Now that I am in BIOS, what are the settings I need to change again to try and fix the audio cutting in and out?
formal mica
wroung thing
obsidian wigeon
If a gpu is dead you'll know it
earnest olive
I use my igpu to drive 2 monitors and my dgpu to drive another 2
also yeah igpu is nice for backup and testing
dusty cedar
Now that I am in BIOS, what are the settings I need to change again to try and f...
nothing because sound isn't a bios operation. sounds like a loose connection or a driver issue
earnest olive
just get a gpu
now i know everyone loves to call the 3080 low end nowadays but surely it still counts as a gpu right
gentle pollen
My headsets USB stick is plugged in normally and the system recognizes it. If it makes a difference it's connected via the headset stand though I was experiencing the same issue when it was plugged in directly.
dusty cedar
now i know everyone loves to call the 3080 low end nowadays but surely it still ...
i love my 3080
formal mica
is that a laptop
earnest olive
i dunno, you tell me
dusty cedar
My headsets USB stick is plugged in normally and the system recognizes it. If i...
could be a problem with the connection at the hd audio connector or the device itself
earnest olive
could be a problem with the connection at the hd audio connector or the device i...
ryzen audio crackling caused by wrong voltages is a known issue
go to settings > amd overclocking and see if you have vddg control in there
gentle pollen
I was getting a notification before plugging my headsets USB cable I to the hub saying that there are to many USB devices in use.
dusty cedar
he was playing with his voltage settings earlier today so you might be right about that
gentle pollen
go to settings > amd overclocking and see if you have vddg control in there
I see VDDP is that the same?
earnest olive
there's no might
i solved my own ryzen audio crackling issues with vddp/vddg
lol
no, vddp is not the same as vddg
formal mica
i dunno, you tell me
yes that definently a laptop
gentle pollen
he was playing with his voltage settings earlier today so you might be right abo...
I changed it back to default before leaving the house so I didn't mess anything up.
earnest olive
CLDO VDDP, VDDG CCD, VDDG IOD are all separate voltages
dusty cedar
yes that definently a laptop
formal mica
its supposed to sarcastic
gentle pollen
Should I flash my bios before doing this?
earnest olive
are you on latest?
gentle pollen
Not sure.
earnest olive
might as well
earnest olive
are you running RAID?
gentle pollen
No.
earnest olive
not gonna do anything to your drives then
formal mica
just unplug just incase
earnest olive
no point in unplugging
gentle pollen
not gonna do anything to your drives then
Ahh okay.
earnest olive
bios doesn't even interact with drives beyond "hey are you alive lol"
formal mica
it takes two seconds unless its m.2
earnest olive
you're more likely to lose your drives from a rainbow shark jumping out of your ceiling and eating them than you are from updating bios
gentle pollen
you're more likely to lose your drives from a rainbow shark jumping out of your ...
Lmao okay.
formal mica
lol
earnest olive
if you can boot the system better just flash from within bios
the button is annoying
earnest olive
well where did you store the bios file
earnest olive
did you download the latest version
gentle pollen
did you download the latest version
?
earnest olive
💀
gentle pollen
I never messed with the bios version throughout the setup process.
gentle pollen
How do I check that.....
gentle pollen
The info on the left says:
Bios date 11/14/2022
Version: FB
dusty cedar
you can always just put the newest bios version on a usb drive and flash it then you'll know for sure which version you have
earnest olive
i'm talking hardware revision
not bios version
if you flash the bios for wrong hardware revision
well
fun times ahead
earnest olive
The info on the left says:
Bios date 11/14/2022
Version: FB
congrats, you have rev 1.4
go download version FCb
dusty cedar
whys that board look so old though
earnest olive
me reading this while sitting next to a 10 year old board with ddr3 and sata express
gentle pollen
go download version FCb
On the Gigabyte website I presume?
earnest olive
i linked it
gentle pollen
Do I download it onto a USB stick?
earnest olive
preferably
some boards allow you to do bios flash from a system drive
yours might
gentle pollen
Or what is option B because the USB stick I have had been reformatted afaik for Ventoy and the such a.
earnest olive
but if you have a usb might as well use it
option b is to put it in C:\ and see if your bios supports that lol
dusty cedar
me reading this while sitting next to a 10 year old board with ddr3 and sata exp...
me, sitting here wondering who uses ps/2 accessories and dvi still instead of dp. 
earnest olive
DVI is still somewhat relevant
there are some perfectly good 1080p144 monitors out there that only hit 144hz over DVI
PS/2... well
it's relevant for extreme overclocking
so you'll actually see it pretty often on high end boards
gentle pollen
What happens if I click run and just update the bios on the drive it currently has selected?
Would it cause any issues?
earnest olive
also, there's a super copium group of gamers that swears PS/2 is superior to USB for gaming
because PS/2 uses interrupts and USB uses polling, so PS/2 theoretically has lower latency
which... might be true, but 1000hz polling rate being too slow is not the reason you are in silver
earnest olive
What happens if I click run and just update the bios on the drive it currently h...
i mean... not sure how you intend to do that without a bios file to update to
stoic island
also, there's a super copium group of gamers that swears PS/2 is superior to USB...
chad ps/2 interrupt the system instead of just waiting like usb
earnest olive
true, use ps/2 because it's a gigachad protocol
gentle pollen
i mean... not sure how you intend to do that without a bios file to update to
.... I am so confused now. Thought the board is supposed to automatically flash bios on it's own so long as you click the button and it has a Ethernet connection.
earnest olive
bios has no idea what the internet is
stoic island
That sounds like a great way to brick a board
earnest olive
you need to supply the updated bios file
dusty cedar
download it to usb then restart pc and go into bios. there should be a flash option somewhere in your bios
then flash from usb with that update file
earnest olive
if you are still confused i think you need to go look up a youtube video on how to update bios with a gigabyte board, it'll probably help you better than text can
dusty cedar
i have msi so i'm no help on navigating anything else. i just know the option is there
gentle pollen
Okay so,
- Load up windows
- download the bios in the link onto the USB stick after wiping the stick
- go Into bios again
- then go into Q-Flash section and select the USB stick to update bios?
stoic island
The USB stick doesn't have to be wiped afaik, it can have other files on there as long as you can find the bios file
earnest olive
yeah
dusty cedar
eaiser to find if you just drop the file on the root
earnest olive
i have my 64gb usb set up into an 8gb fat32 partition with win10 and win11 installers + 56gb ntfs partition for other files
it's a sweet setup
however
i do not remember how i did that 2 years ago lol
earnest olive
I thought Ventoy re-formatted the drive.
yes, but you can put stuff on it after it's been formatted
it's just in fat32 format anyways
earnest olive
UEFI only supports fat12, fat16, and fat32 formats as bootable devices
so you can bet ventoy formatted it as one of those no matter what
and... well, it's 2023, it's gonna be fat32
gentle pollen
Download the FCB bios correct?
earnest olive
yes
earnest olive
fun
dusty cedar
maybe time to rms your motherboard
gentle pollen
Orange, so how do I install the bios in c:\ like you were recommending as another option?
gentle pollen
Ugh I am to tired to deal with this usb for now. Just gonna revert to the classic option of using wired headset.
earnest olive
just put the file there there's nothing to install from windows
go look up a guide on youtube
gentle pollen
go look up a guide on youtube
Yeah I will later for sure, just really tired at the moment with a slight headache from reading small text so I am gonna take a little break, thanks for helping me out.
fossil cedar
The cheaper or an rx 6700xt/6750xt if you're just gaming without ray tracing
cyan ravine
rtx 3060 ti gddr6x or LHR ?
6X not even worth it
Just get the regular one if at all
Or better yet as Pato said 6700/6750xt
Even 6800 if it's cheap enough
humble fossil
the deference is 28$
humble fossil
Even 6800 if it's cheap enough
i want NVIDIA, thx
cyan ravine
Why tho
humble fossil
Features
cyan ravine
Such as?
humble fossil
display fps, shadow play
humble fossil
i like NVIDIA :)
humble fossil
rtx 3060 ti gddr6x or LHR ?
.
cyan ravine
As I said not 6x
humble fossil
why it’s more fps
obsidian wigeon
6x doesn't benefit anything
cyan ravine
6x is just ecc enabled
obsidian wigeon
It only adds heat
Perf is actually harmed with ecc
Bandwidth is the same between g6 and g6x in 3060ti's case
cyan ravine
Well no
humble fossil
the deference is 28$
cyan ravine
It's quicker due to higher mem clock but it's not worth buying new
cyan ravine
All nvidia cards just aren't worth buying new rn besides the 4070 ti
Go with a used 3060ti and save a lot
You'll literally get it for nearly half price
humble fossil
ok
obsidian wigeon
ya
humble fossil
alr thx :)
cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
it's a gamble with 13400f, there's batches where it's simply 12600k rebrand and another is actual 13th gen
obsidian wigeon
yep
humble fossil
the 13 is cheaper
cyan ravine
How much cheaper tho
Hey how about you give me a budget
And I'll make something quick in usd
humble fossil
go to the good and cheap
cyan ravine
3060 Ti advertised in like the 450$ range new, meanwhile used it's like $280 or less
3070's can go for as much as 300
3080's 450
humble fossil
wow
cyan ravine
If you go to proper places you get legitimately better prices
And protected trades
If you give me a budget I could show you a good list
Imo a 12600K is pretty overkill for a 3060 ti
strong raft
12600k/12400(F) would make bios flashback or a 700 series mobo not needed.
cyan ravine
about 960$
Like this my guy
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hFJmXy
The 3080 as a used card
fossil cedar
All nvidia cards just aren't worth buying new rn besides the 4070 ti
And da 4090 silly
fossil cedar
Indood
gentle pollen
What's the difference between Gen 2 ARGB headers on Asus Boards from Gen 1?
Wondering because I want to make sure the Tuf X670E board has enough ARGB headers before I buy it.
cerulean snow
anyone have a good pre-built $500 pc
earnest olive
What's the difference between Gen 2 ARGB headers on Asus Boards from Gen 1?
"gen 1" is just 12V 4-pin RGB
leaden mauve
yea my pc cooler 🤓
paper summit
Idk what you're talking about 🙄
paper summit
I can never get good pics cause the lighting in my room sucks
paper summit
yea my pc cooler 🤓
How noisy are the ram fans
leaden mauve
How noisy are the ram fans
not
paper summit
Good
fleet heron
def unescesary
paper summit
def unescesary
Not if your overclocking ddr3 or ddr5 (not sure about 4)
fleet heron
yea ig
gaunt yew
@fleet heron are builds are a lot like each other lol mine is above yours
formal mica
why does everyone go Nvidia??
coarse coral
because they have better ||meow meow meow meow|| than ||meow||
formal mica
sounds about right no reason at all
runic spruce
Being for real tho they have the fastest gaming gpus and are reliable
They’ve also been around longer and they have good drivers
formal mica
And people are already talking about 5090s lol
runic spruce
Would be funny if the 5000 series founder coolers have a ton of rgb in them lol
On the chonky cooler
formal mica
Would be funny if it burned more houses than the 4000 series
runic spruce
The worst thing that could happen is a gpu capacitor blowing up or something
I doubt it could actually burn a house down
formal mica
you do know the reason 4090 burned houses right
runic spruce
Unless u use an old gigabyte psu and place some firewood next to it
runic spruce
you do know the reason 4090 burned houses right
Nope
They actually burned houses down?
stoic island
Connector issue
runic spruce
That makes more sense
stoic island
Damaged psus, unlikely but maybe
formal mica
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-connector-burns-up/ Maybe it didnt but still a fire harzard
runic spruce
formal mica
lol\
runic spruce
5090 connectors
formal mica
good thing I dont got to worry about it just got a 7900xtx
runic spruce
Someone should like edit a gas powered 4090
Yea amd cards have gotten really good
There’s still some cooling issues with some of the aibs I think for hot spots or something
formal mica
yea not enough thermal paste is what I was reading or something
runic spruce
Yea, or mounting pressure I don’t remember
But if you get the right model should be fine
formal mica
I havent hooked mine up yet to check I have to wait till friday so im crossing my fingers its perfect
runic spruce
What model?
runic spruce
How much was it
runic spruce
Nice
runic spruce
Their tachi gpus look cool
Wanted to get one when I was getting parts for my pc back then
formal mica
All of them looked cool but I alrady spent to much than I wanted lmao
formal mica
runic spruce
Bought a white psu
runic spruce
Bought a white psu
But it came with braided cables
formal mica
Oof
runic spruce
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PRntv3\
(Page could not be found )
runic spruce
Wish I budgeted better
My pc cost about the same as your setup
But I bought the parts back in 2020 when prices were jacked
formal mica
it was like 200 dollars cheaper becuase of bundle ar micro
that sucks
I just had the money and need better equipment
runic spruce
How does the cpu run?
formal mica
I have to wait till friday to build PSU still coming in
formal mica
I read they have some boost together
but mostly becuase of 250dollar bundle off at microcenter
runic spruce
I read they have some boost together
Intel has it too
It’s bus link something, forgot the name
Nividia has it as well
formal mica
I shouldnt have to worry to much I believe I have plenty of airflow I have two fans directly hitting gpu
runic spruce
In cunebench
For the 7900x model at least or the one with most cores
runic spruce
I’m talking about the cpu
runic spruce
Probably
Out of curiosity what was the bundle that saved $250?
Was it the cpu and gpu
formal mica
cpu motherboard and ram 500 for all three
the monitors were also 200 dolars 150 dollars off each
Just finished building this
formal mica
its a ghost from destiny lol
formal mica
its free definetly worth a try but its kinda pay to win
formal mica
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PRntv3 So can someone rate my build out of ten
mossy venture
I'd say 8.5/10
Monitors are expensive compared to normal price, and case expensive
formal mica
what couldve done better
monitors where 200 each
got them on sale at microcenter
case I couldnt find a cheap case that would fit my gpu but I like so oh well
formal mica
I'd say 8.5/10
what couldve been better?
potent portal
X27Q is good when it's on sale for $210
Closer to the $300 mark there's better ones
formal mica
so couldve done better on monitors
potent portal
SSD I'd go for A60 or 670p to save money
potent portal
Cases I understand if you wanted that one for the looks, they can be good statement pieces and the big ol' fans on the 215 are nice.
There's cheaper that'll do just as well.
mossy venture
case I couldnt find a cheap case that would fit my gpu but I like so oh well
G360a
Similar looking
If your already own all that, it's great
formal mica
Yea I got it last friday
I put wrong case in the list
I need to fix it that was a old link
fleet heron
<@558483355469873162> are builds are a lot like each other lol mine is above you...
Ikr your setup is very clean tho
formal mica
G360a
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KbWJJM Ok this is the build before tax and all the prices I got
formal mica
My dad didnt want water anywhere in my system
obsidian wolf
Mmm
AIO is not needed for this specific cpu though
I have the same one
(Reason why i suggested it) I haven't seem it run above 65
And that's under Cyberpunk + everything up to max
If the computer is use for gaming and gaming alone
I don't think there should be any situation where the CPU will get heated
formal mica
ok good
elfin flame
formal mica
whats that mean
languid nimbus
Nzxt cam kek
formal mica
wjays nzxt cam
jagged ember
wjays nzxt cam
Bloatware, pretty much
formal mica
whats bloatware
jagged ember
Software that does nothing but take up space and resources on your system
Like candy crush on your computer LOL
formal mica
why would you want that
jagged ember
Literally only useful if you have Nzxt aio
Otherwise there's better monitoring software out there
formal mica
Imagine Idling
do you have a ups if so what one
obsidian wolf
no
earnest olive
and them play game and don't even see a 10c increase
yeah because nzxt cam is heating up your cpu
LOL
there's no such thing as idle when you have nzxt cam
jagged ember
Yeah it's definitely not idling with Nzxt cam
cyan ravine
@fleet heron I love how I can identify you just by the shape of your pcie cables
You remind me of my latent ocd every time 
Jk tho we gud fam
Your setup is really clean 
potent portal
@south cliff Relisted again again https://www.ebay.com/itm/285226067176
gentle pollen
"gen 1" is just 12V 4-pin RGB
Then what's the improvement in gen 2?
desert gulch
gentle pollen
You think it can handle 6 Arctic P12s on one header?
My current gigabyte board can only handle 3 ARGB connections before there is no more argb output.
obsidian wigeon
Easily
gaunt yew
Ikr your setup is very clean tho
Ty
gentle pollen
Easily
You sure? I just wanna double check, as I am talking about the ARGB connection not the power to the fans.
gentle pollen
Alright. Do you by chance know if the Aura RGB header is also a ARGB header or is it different?
obsidian wolf
is there any red only rgb out there in the market
obsidian wigeon
red led fans
but those fans are terribly old by now
and doesn't look great either, the light looks so weak
might as well get argb and set it to red
the red led color array is in the name
rgb
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KbWJJM Ok this is the build before tax and all the...
Great
I'd say pretty much as good a list as you can get
nova apex
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bCkMTn should this be fine for temps? just making sure before i buy rest of parts
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bCkMTn should this be fine for temps? just making ...
5600 is cheaper and just as good, and if you haven't bought the 1660s yet, $200 for one is pretty bad
nova apex
5600 is cheaper and just as good, and if you haven't bought the 1660s yet, $200 ...
gpu case and psu have been bought already
weary galleon
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bCkMTn should this be fine for temps? just making ...
I would get at least a 1tb SSD, maybe ditch the hard drive and get 2tb ssd
earnest olive
hopefully that's a leftover from the shortage era
the $200 1660 super
and yeah, a 2tb solidigm p41 plus is pretty much the same price as this 500gb 970 evo + 2tb hdd
while being a better drive than both
no point in buying hard drives for gaming machines in 2023
ssds are cheap
tacit hazel
Looking to build my first PC ...is it easy for a computer idiot to do?
lyric thistle
tacit hazel
ok great ....thanks
gentle pollen
Use: World Domination
Budget: $1,000,000 USD
Country: The United States Of America
Colors: Neon colors with lots of contrast
Style: Evil, Cyberpunk
||jk||
fossil cedar
Not for world domination, you're looking at 100 mil min
gentle pollen
Not for world domination, you're looking at 100 mil min
fossil cedar
Skill issue
fossil cedar
Nope
gentle pollen
It's called Austin Powers it's a great Trilogy. Action Comedy.
Dr Evil as you probably guessed based on the name is the antagonizer.
fossil cedar
Yeah I've heard just never bothered watching it
potent portal
storm viper
Hi
I purchased 2 additional matching DDR5 DIMMs, I was not aware of the issues around 4 DDR5 DIMMs. Updated the latest BIOS and enabled XMP 1, then ran the Memtest which resulted in > 1000 failures in less than 1 min. Then I switched to XMP 2 and reran the test, which ran fine for 20 mins and then reported a couple of failures.
Can anyone tell me if I am good with this config or if I need to file an RMA?
MB: ROG Maximus Hero Z690
CPU: 12900KS
RAM: G-Skill Trident Z 6600Mhz
potent portal
Even with the recent bios updates Z690 boards will struggle to run 4 sticks of DDR5 above 4800 speed. You're lucky to be able to boot at all. It's not something that a RMA can fix, it's a platform issue. Z790 partially addresses the issue but there's still a severe speed restriction.
earnest olive
not a valid RMA reason, XMP is never guaranteed especially when running out of spec
the XMP profile is the rating for 2 sticks
this is true on ddr4, ddr3, etc. as well
potent portal
Specifically the XMP rating is only for a single kit, however it's sold. So if it's a single stick, XMP only guarantees a single stick to run that
earnest olive
it is common to run into issues when adding ram to an existing kit and trying to run xmp, even if the two kits are identical
this is not unique to ddr5
but it is much worse on ddr5
storm viper
Got it, I am now booted into windows for some time on XMP 2. Task Manager shows 6600 MHz and CPU-Z shows 3300 MHz as expected. Does that mean it is working?
potent portal
Define working
earnest olive
booting to windows does not mean stable
potent portal
It's running at that clock speed but probably not stable yeah
earnest olive
run memory tests on it, but in general it’s unlikely to get 4 dimms stable at 6600
you can try downclocking or sell both and get a 2x32 kit
potent portal
Even Z790 would have trouble with that
earnest olive
assuming you have 4x16 now
storm viper
Makes sense, yes I'm at 4x16 now
I will rerun the memtest for all passes. Does > 0 failures on memtest = it is not stable?
potent portal
A single error means fail, correct
storm viper
Makes sense. Thanks folks!
earnest olive
good luck
potent portal
This is the only 6600 2x32GB kit I could find https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb/p/N82E16820236960
There's a few more at 6400
storm viper
Is there a difference between Memtest86 and Windows Memory Diagnostic tool?
potent portal
Yes but neither are very good
If either of those finds a problem then you know it's bad
storm viper
This is the only 6600 2x32GB kit I could find https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64g...
Yep, thanks.
I previous have 2x16 GB 6600, was thinking I can just get 2 more of the same DIMMs and expand
storm viper
If either of those finds a problem then you know it's bad
got it
south cliff
Hey one of my ram sticks broke so now im at 24gb what is a good kit of ram (32)gb
i was looking at like 4400
or 400
4000
and i kinda want rgb
earnest olive
how did one of your ram sticks break
potent portal
potent portal
Good point
earnest olive
4000 may need some manual tuning but will probably work
4400 gear 1 is very unlikely to work even with manual tuning
but how did one stick of ram break
did you just not seat it properly
it is incredibly uncommon for ram to die
potent portal
This one looks good to me https://pcpartpicker.com/product/j68bt6/mushkin-redline-lumina-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-mla4c400jnnm16gx2
south cliff
well i bought ram for one of my friends and wanted to test how if the worked which they did and when i put my ram back in it would crash right as i got into the windows screen blue screen until i took one of the ram sticks out and yeah
and i reset bios
after
installing mine
south cliff
i should tryt all slots i only tried 1 and 3
south cliff
The only way that would happen is physical damage
it has had problems in the past to
but it would be like one and done type of thing
and then it would do it a couple months after
potent portal
Try the stick you think is bad in the slot you know is good then
potent portal
Dead slot or channel is WAY more common than dead memory
south cliff
ok give me a minute to see
Well it’s working
In the 2nd slot
I’m going to see if it happens with the other ram
storm viper
If either of those finds a problem then you know it's bad
Hi
I just ran the Windows Memory Diagnostics and it returned The Windows Memory Diagnostic tested the computer's memory and detected no errors. Seems stable and can confirm I am running at 6600 MHz on 4x16
Will run Memtest now
south cliff
That’s really good if it’s stable
potent portal
Run OCCT memory test
It's still not the ideal test but it's way better than memtest
And I've only ever seen the windows test find errors once and that was a stupidly unstable setup
storm viper
south cliff
Run OCCT memory test
It just goes to cpu and dram now with all sticks in
storm viper
Got it, will do
potent portal
It just goes to cpu and dram now with all sticks in
That slot could be bad then
storm viper
Damn, you linked to an exe direct download
south cliff
That slot could be bad then
That sucks
potent portal
Ok one last test, take the stick you think is bad out and occupy slot 1, 2, and the one you think could be bad
south cliff
Well it’s working in 123
But it was working in 124
And when I put the 4th in now it doesn’t work
potent portal
I meant 2, 4 not 1, 2 mb
south cliff
It’s going to bios
With suspected one bad at 2
And in windows
This mad weird
Omg all of them at working
potent portal
Could have just been picky about seating arrangements then
south cliff
Yeah I’m running that occt test how do I know if there is a error
potent portal
The giant green checkmark turns into a giant red X
potent portal
That was fast but I've seen worse lol
south cliff
That was fast but I've seen worse lol
but now the lights are bugging out and now it did the error againg but then it restarted and now im back in windows
potent portal
Well it clearly failed that test so try without the stick you think is bad now
south cliff
should i just buy new ram
potent portal
Probably
potent portal
This one looks good to me https://pcpartpicker.com/product/j68bt6/mushkin-redlin...
.
potent portal
Might take a little tuning but you can get 4000 in gear 1
south cliff
i thin my motherboard supports like 5000
but
i dont now itf it would even go that high
potent portal
I've seen hundreds of errors in seconds before lol
south cliff
good lord how
potent portal
It could go that high when properly tuned but it'll be in gear 2 at 2T
south cliff
what is gear 1
earnest olive
one time I had a test run 2 hours without an error and then error 435 times in 3 seconds
then the OS died
south cliff
but i never did this before maybe one time and then stopped
earnest olive
it would just boot into a flashing black screen
potent portal
Think of it like the ryzen fclk, you want it to be gear 1 (1:1) for optimal performance
south cliff
could having 9 erros affect performance
potent portal
It'll drop it to 0 fps when it crashes lol
earnest olive
It'll drop it to 0 fps when it crashes lol
hey I bet he can run windows installer at at least 60 fps
south cliff
Bro my ram is so weird
Nvm
I’m just going to take that one I think is broken out and run the test and see if I get errors
Ok it’s still flashing
Bro with the one I think is broken oout it’s getting like 80 error
potent portal
That's with 2 sticks?
potent portal
Try 2
potent portal
Well it sure sounds like you have more than a ram problem then
south cliff
I have other ram should I test it
potent portal
You can increase your SA (system agent) voltage a bit to try to stabilize
south cliff
Out and see if it’s same thing
potent portal
Sure you can try another kit, that'll narrow it down too
south cliff
Like totally different ram
Alt
Alr
I’m going to do a 3 min test
Yeah no errors
potent portal
Ok, so what speed is the backup ram running at?
south cliff
3200
potent portal
And what was the possibly bad set?
south cliff
Wdym
potent portal
What speed is your set of 4
south cliff
3000
potent portal
wha-
south cliff
Bro this ram is so weird
potent portal
Yeah just buy new memory lol
south cliff
Well the extra ram kit is my friends so I’m going to have to find which of the 4 I can still use until new comes in
potent portal
See if it's the same at jedec with xmp off
Can the sticks even do that much is the question now
obsidian wolf
south cliff
All 4?
obsidian wolf
IS IT NORMAL FOR THE CPU TO GET THIS HOT
potent portal
Try 2 for now
obsidian wolf
IT SKYPE UP TO 79
potent portal
IS IT NORMAL FOR THE CPU TO GET THIS HOT
Yes perfectly normal
mossy venture
IS IT NORMAL FOR THE CPU TO GET THIS HOT
can you not use all caps
is that under load, or idle
potent portal
That's honestly low for AM5
earnest olive
like we said yesterday
potent portal
The 7700X is designed to run up to 95 without throttling
earnest olive
there’s no such thing as idle when you have nzxt cam
south cliff
With 2 sticks of ram at 2133 the test has no errors in 1 minute
But lights still flashing
south cliff
2 min nothing
earnest olive
minutes are not significant time units when it comes to memory stability
south cliff
I’m saying that because within 30 sec I would get a error at 3000
vague oracle
minutes are not significant time units when it comes to memory stability
I remember when my windows got corrupted 3 months after what I thought was a stable OC
earnest olive
I remember when my windows got corrupted 2 minutes after what I thought was a stable OC that passed 48 hours of testing
oh wait, that was 2 days ago
south cliff
I’m going to put it back at 3000 see if it gets any error
earnest olive
tfw you clear cmos but your windows still boots like this
the joys of ram oc
this was on a profile that passed 24 hours of VST and 24 hours of pcbdestroyer
oops!
south cliff
Dang no errors at 3000
This ram is so weird
It could be these two sticks that are the problem
storm viper
run memory tests on it, but in general it’s unlikely to get 4 dimms stable at 66...
Hey folks
My PC seems to be stable with 4x16 GB 6600 MHz on XMP 2.
Windows Memory Diagnostics said there were no errors and MemTest is currently running 3rd pass and no errors till now.
earnest olive
I’d recommend using a stronger test like OCCT memory or TM5 PCBDestroyer
south cliff
I put all my 4 stick of ram in and put a 10 min test so I will tell y’all if any errors or anything
storm viper
This is my RAM and I'm running it on XMP 2 at manufacturer recommended numbers: CL34-40-40-105 1.40v
mossy venture
if you're just doing xmp im not surprised that it's stable
earnest olive
see the video I just posted for an example of why you don’t want to mess with unstable memory
storm viper
I’d recommend using a stronger test like OCCT memory or TM5 PCBDestroyer
I am reading not to run memory test through Windows. Are these tests run similar to MemTest through a boot partition too?
earnest olive
if you're just doing xmp im not surprised that it's stable
with 4 sticks of ddr5? that’s 2 kits of 2x16? on z690? it’s extremely surprising to say the least
mossy venture
with 4 sticks of ddr5? that’s 2 kits of 2x16? on z690? it’s extremely surprising...
oh didn't see 4 sticks, mb
earnest olive
I am reading not to run memory test through Windows. Are these tests run similar...
no, and whatever you’re reading is wrong
running bootable memtest is better if your memory is so broken that you suspect booting windows will kill the OS instantly
but that’s about the only time it’s better
storm viper
no, and whatever you’re reading is wrong
Got it, can you just tell me which one to run. OCCT or TM5, I'll run it after pass 2 finishes.
And do you know roughly how long does these tests run for?
earnest olive
OCCT runs for 1 hour, TM5 depends on config, capacity, and level of ram tuning
storm viper
running bootable memtest is better if your memory is so broken that you suspect ...
Yes I'm running bootable memtest right now
earnest olive
for example TM5 PCBDestroyer takes 2 hours on my 16gb ddr3-2666, might take 4 hours on your 64gb ddr5-6400
storm viper
Got it. Thanks mate, I'll run the OCCT first and see.
Are you with Newegg?
south cliff
109 errors in 10 min
earnest olive
💀
south cliff
Dang bruh I don’t wanna buy new ram
earnest olive
hope you don’t have any important data on your OS that isn’t backed up
earnest olive
you’re lucky then
I’ve had complete OS death on ram that would do 0 errors in 48 hours
potent portal
Got it. Thanks mate, I'll run the OCCT first and see.
Are you with Newegg?
No one here actually works with Newegg except the admin (when he's around).
south cliff
When flashing
fleet heron
Is that an rgb strip under the motherboard??
storm viper
Is there an alternate download mirror for OCCT? Seems like this single OCCT.exe is crossing the entire Atlantic Ocean to come sit in my Downloads at 80 Kbps
earnest olive
lol I can send you mine over discord when I get home if you trust an internet stranger to send you an exe
storm viper
haha, do you know how big is it? I got 50 MB so far
storm viper
Thanks, it just got downloaded. It's 84.2 MB
south cliff
Is that an rgb strip under the motherboard??
no its part of the motherboard
storm viper
Thanks, it just got downloaded. It's 84.2 MB
I ran the memory test for 20 mins, no blue screen, 1 error though
south cliff
That means you failed
storm viper
I think I will try out this config for a few days and see
0 errors on Memtest for 3 passes and 0 errors on windows memory diagnostics
1 error on OCCT, I'd live with it and see for a few days.
Also, no offence but I am kinda being skeptical about OCCT being developed by a single guy. So I'd like to give that 1 error some doubt
And it does not say what the test was doing and even what the error is
potent portal
0 errors on Memtest for 3 passes and 0 errors on windows memory diagnostics
1 e...
I already told you memtest and windows memory diagnostic suck
storm viper
Yes yes, I'm not arguing that
potent portal
And it does not say what the test was doing and even what the error is
That info is irrelevant anyway. It's impossible to tell when/how but it tried to store data and retrieve it later and it was wrong.
If you want an even better test you can run testmem5 with the pcbdestroyer and anta777extreme profiles
OCCT is ok for a quick test but the 1 hour limit is, well, limiting
earnest olive
i'm home now, took a bit of a detour to catch a pokemon
it wasn't worth it
here's a stronger memory test
storm viper
I kinda want to trust Memtest based on this info here: https://www.memtest86.com/tech_individual-test-descr.html
And all I can find for OCCT is this: https://www.ocbase.com/support/stability-config-memory-description
And running the mem test on the windows, I'm not sure how memory leaks from other applications are going to impact the tests in OCCT. I ran the test at 85% load which only left like 3 GB of free memory
earnest olive
they don't
potent portal
If an app is leaking that badly it'll cause blue screens on it's own
storm viper
I am looking into this now, https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md#recommended
Will try the TM5 later tonight and see how it goes
earnest olive
trust me, i have way too much experience with ram overclocking
i have a bit of a reputation lol
potent portal
Many here do
earnest olive
specifically for ram overclocking to the point where my mental stability is in question
too bad there's no mental stability test i can run overnight
storm viper
I'm sorry if I offended you.
I was not questioning your expertise. I am just being skeptical about the OCCT test in general due to lack of documentation or some insights into the source code. I am a mid level software engineer at big tech and deal with production system on daily basis. So, lack of documentation, license or access to SDK/API and just an .exe downloadable is making me skeptical
earnest olive
you didn't offend me lol
i'm not quite a software engineer but studying to be one
the thing is all those programs you are using with documentation and APIs and whatever are being built by companies that intend for their program to be a commercial product
overclocking is a niche hobby for nerds and the best tools are gonna be some random thing some dude made in his basement in russia in 2010 and you just have to trust the fact the community has been using it for 13 years to say that it works
(tm5 was actually made by some dude in russia in 2010, but i do not know if he was in his basement)
OCCT is still being actively developed
if it makes you feel any better, OCCT has enterprise licenses that have been adopted by very large companies. maybe you've heard of linus media group?
storm viper
if it makes you feel any better, OCCT has enterprise licenses that have been ado...
Yes I do, lttstore.com 😄
I see what you mean, I will run the TM5 test tonight and see how it goes. Thanks mate.
earnest olive
i've run TM5 on over 30 PCs and never had an issue with it being malicious or causing any damage
i am running it right now
never had it flagged by antivirus
storm viper
Got it. Should I run it with Admin privileges?
earnest olive
honestly not sure what difference it makes
like you said, lack of documentation
i just give it admin and i've never had problems
i am usually running it on OSes with nothing meaningful on them so security is not the biggest concern
potent portal
honestly not sure what difference it makes
Admin can run larger memory pools per thread, so non-admin needs to spawn more threads to fill the same space
It's more efficient to do the larger memory pools, a little faster to test
storm viper
Got 2 errors 😦
Felt optimistic and launched Cyberpunk, crashed in 5 mins 😄
I am back to 2x16 6600 MHz now and calling it a day. Returning the new DIMMs I bought, thank you very much for all the help, both of you!
Key takeaway from today: memtest is 💩 indeed
copper mason
What's your take on:
the location/position of PC towers inside a typical apartment room with a window, door and hardwood floor,
vs. dust
If the goal is to reduce the amount of dust collecting inside the case as much as possible, where would you put it ? On the floor, stand, desk, etc?
potent portal
Dust collects on the floor and gets sucked straight into the case
On desk is best
On a stand under the desk is good
Floor is sub-optimal
earnest olive
Got 2 errors 😦
Felt optimistic and launched Cyberpunk, crashed in 5 mins 😄
...
you could try 6400, 6200, etc
copper mason
On desk is best
On a stand under the desk is good
Floor is sub-optimal
thanks that makes total sense to me
some people be telling me there's no difference
I can't see how floor vs higher up = the same
potent portal
It's not a major difference but there is one
cyan ravine
But you're on hardwood so it won't be the worst
dusty cedar
But you're on hardwood so it won't be the worst
i would trust putting it in a bathtub before a floor of any kind. i have linoleum flooring and there is no keeping solid flooring of any type clean without sweeping it 3 times a day
little osprey
It’s 850w good for a 4090 and ryzen 7 7800x3d
cyan ravine
Definitely
flint sapphire
4090 can occasionally pull 500 watts pretty easily and a 7800x3d can get up to 164+, think you might want to add some extra head room but it should work… whatever that’s worth
It’s enough
Felix out here owning me with one word 
obsidian wigeon
also i mean
potent portal
That 160W is also under an all core load, it's more like 75W when gaming
eternal sonnet
Anyone running 7800x3D have issues with it getting super hot randomly on games
flint sapphire
It’s probably just gunna be a hot chip
potent portal
It's supposed to run around 80C
obsidian wigeon
and what cooler you're using
eternal sonnet
i was under the impression it wasnt a hot CPU
potent portal
Who told you that lol
obsidian wigeon
it is a very hot cpu
potent portal
All the AM5 ones run hot, by design
flint sapphire
It’s probably not AS hot as a 7900x3d but it’s gunna be hot af
obsidian wigeon
eh nah
little osprey
Well someone helped me build a pc list and they said it didn’t need water cooling so doesn’t that make it not a very hot chip? I don’t know very much about pcs I’ve never made one
eternal sonnet
so normally when i play WZ its about 48-65 ish
potent portal
Not needing water cooling doesn't mean it's not hot, it just means air coolers are good enough now to compete with midrange water coolers
obsidian wigeon
^
flint sapphire
65 is excellent tbh
eternal sonnet
but on two games its bumped and stayed at 87 randomly
obsidian wigeon
probably some load spike
potent portal
Yeah it'll do that
eternal sonnet
last game
obsidian wigeon
it's normal
little osprey
Not needing water cooling doesn't mean it's not hot, it just means air coolers a...
Is silver stone hydrogon good
eternal sonnet
how do i fix the spikes
potent portal
but on two games its bumped and stayed at 87 randomly
Again, that's by design, these chips are designed to run up to their max temp before they throttle. What you should look at are the clock frequencies. Are they mostly stable? Then you're good. Huge drop on the highest load core to 3.8GHz? You have a problem then.
obsidian wigeon
it's the cpu's behavior
instead of getting hydrogon
ak620 or phantom spirit would be better
phantom spirit is the best air cooler for the money there is arm
or well, best period
78 bucks for silverstone one is steep
little osprey
In the pcpp discord someone made this list. Is it good? (850w power supply because I’m gonna upgrade to 4090 later and don’t wanna buy new power supply) https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/cPmN8r
obsidian wigeon
What's your budget?
little osprey
Around 2500 nzd or 1500 ish usd
obsidian wigeon
I don't know the market over there but that seems overpriced
Lemme do something about it
little osprey
I gtg for like 20-30 min if u make a list I will look at it then
obsidian wigeon
sure
potent portal
I see a MP33 opportunity
potent portal
I gtg for like 20-30 min if u make a list I will look at it then
Less money, same performance https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/NNVZVw
little osprey
Less money, same performance https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/NNVZVw
Will 750w be enough for 4090
potent portal
It would be tight but doable
4090 doesn't spike as high as the 3090 does
Which was the main reason 850W got so popular
little osprey
If it uses more than 750w while it’s active what happens
potent portal
The power supply is designed to be able to use up to 115-125% of it's rated power for a short time without shutting off.
Stay at that level of power for too long and OPP or OCP will trip and shut it off safely. A tier units won't be hurt by that, which the RM series is.
little osprey
Stay at that level of power for too long and OPP or OCP will trip and shut it of...
Because this power supply is rm should I go for 850w?
potent portal
The Gigabyte UD-GM you had on there before was B tier. I'd take a 750W A tier unit over a 850W B tier at the high end like that.
little osprey
What’s the difference between a and b tier?
potent portal
A tier is primarily a higher build quality standard
You can read more here https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
little osprey
Or should I just stick with this one and then if needed when I get a 4090 upgrade to 850w?
flint sapphire
The 750watt should be fine with a 4090
little osprey
Ok thanks
potent portal
flint sapphire
just buy a 1000w titanium from seasonic
flint sapphire
Then build your own speakers 
gentle pollen
Is Norton good for anything without a subscription? If not I am gonna purge the annoying app. Thanks in advance for the help!
potent portal
Norton is good for pretending it's working better than Defender
gentle pollen
okay it's uninstalled.
What was the way of updating bios without using USB?
b550m ds3h was wondering because I was told couple days ago that updating bios could fix my audio cutting in and out. My audio currently working by plugging it into my monitor.
would updating bios also reinstall the audio drivers? I forgot.
ahh alright, I will just do that then. I managed to somehow brick my current usb stick when I had to restart my computer due to trying to copy the bios file onto the usb stick which had ventoy on it and froze my entire pc.
How do I check my current audio drivers?
Opened it up.
Where do I go from there?
paper summit
You can read more here https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
Maybe if I was given a dollar every time this link got posted I would be able to afford a psu
gentle pollen
can't find that. These are the closest I can find.
I am on Win11 if that makes a difference?
gentle pollen
Maybe if I was given a dollar every time this link got posted I would be able to...
You could probably buy an rtx 4090 if that were the case.
paper summit
Real
gentle pollen
Which do I select to update the audio driver?
I found out how to select them however I am not sure which one I need to specifically select to update with the audio drivers I downloaded off of Gigabyte's site.
Or should I trust the automatic driver update which says that I am on the best audio driver?
Okay this is weird, 
all of a sudden I switched the port my bluetooth stick for my headphones are plugged in and it works now but didn't the other day???
🤦♂️ this computer swap has been the most confusing thing of my life so far and I've been through some seriously confusing things.
Well I guess if my audio's working again? (hopefully 🙏 ) I am gonna then skip updating the bios.
potent portal
Okay this is weird, <:wha:1021219124032061521> all of a sudden I switched the po...
This isn't entirely surprising, considering one of the USB controllers has a driver error. You're probably missing the driver from Gigabyte for the USB.
gentle pollen
This isn't entirely surprising, considering one of the USB controllers has a dri...
why don't they just put all the drivers into one single package 🤦♂️
But why would the same usb port I tried the other day all of a sudden work now but not then?
potent portal
Because then they'd need to update that single package 50 times as often
And even if the driver is up to date that would force people to use excessive amounts of bandwidth. The total basic package for an Intel motherboard is probably almost 2GB by now including wifi and such.
gentle pollen
DAYUM bass boost is impressive on the Razer Blackshark v2, just tested it out after two years of using it.
gentle pollen
And even if the driver is up to date that would force people to use excessive am...
ahh fair.
gentle pollen
DAYUM bass boost is impressive on the Razer Blackshark v2, just tested it out af...
Night club kind of bass if turned to the maxx.
wish I could show you guys but it literally has that same feeling you get at a club when at midnight where you can feel the music in your bones.
Personally I like it, makes the music feel more alive.
potent portal
I don't have to imagine my neighbor's car is blasting and shaking the building
And yes it's 2AM
gentle pollen
Oh R.I.P.
I wonder what music is like with those haptic vests.
Anyone here tried that before?
potent portal
Sounds like garbage too because the windows are vibrating on the car. Moron doesn't know how to do it right even.
gentle pollen
Ouch, I feel bad for the artist's song and your entertainment experience.
thinking of blasting music, reminded me of my first road trip where my father and I drove 2,000 miles down to Cabo San Lucas from Truckee where on I think it was the 3rd day we reached a flood point and there was no other way through so we backed the car up, turned up the music, and sped the car up as much as we could to blast through the flood to get to our destination to catch the marlin we were after.
Everyone was amazed we made it through considering the water went up to the window for a moment.
potent portal
If there's a next time just remember, the reason the engine seizes is from water in the air intake. Make a redneck snorkel.
gentle pollen
If there's a next time just remember, the reason the engine seizes is from water...
Kay, thankfully we made it.
I will never diss Dodge Durangos considering the terrain we put that thing through.
We ended that trip with a 6ft 110lb Stripped Marlin and my first visit to Las Vegas for CES.
Fun times.
potent portal
Ooh nice haul. Certainly sounds like good times.
gentle pollen
lemme see if I can find a picture. Pose was a bit awkward do to how slippery and heavy it was.
potent portal
Hoo that is a nice catch
gentle pollen
thanks, would send the other pictures but I don't think it'd be allowed due to all the blood and etc.
obsidian wigeon
use the pure rock
it's still better than stock
it does have paste included if it's new
yeah you're good then
obsidian grove
Just wondering how risky is it to buy used pc components
fossil cedar
Depends
Ebay as long as you're buying something marked as used/new (not for parts basically) and use PayPal to pay you're insured
obsidian grove
Ah I use a similar site
Due to eBay not having the graphics cards I desire in my home country
Will it like die in 2 months of using it? Or is the performance and quality decreased due to it being used
potent portal
fossil cedar
Due to eBay not having the graphics cards I desire in my home country
If you're in the eu anywhere in the eu will be fine
obsidian grove
Yeah unfortunately I also pay extra taxes to get it through the borders
And it’s not included in the shipping price
obsidian grove
https://youtu.be/UFytB3bb1P8
Oh I just watched it