It’s an M.2 card
#building-and-recc-chat
heady kayak
potent portal
It's literally the name of the form factor too lol
dusty cedar
i never looked that deep into it. that pc is nasty. gonna go wash my hands before i get anthrax or somethin
dusty cedar
i dont even use it
lyric thistle
Even sucky computers should be maintained
My Grandma's HP PC has a lot of carpet dust inside it because it's right on the fluffy floor
dusty cedar
i just put it on the floor because it's out of the way
was using my laptop before i built my pc
lyric thistle
Yeah that's usually what I do with ones I'm not using or something like that
I have my main PC in its box in the hallway and the PC I parted out to build it in the closet
dusty cedar
it still works and it has windows 10 on it. i just don't use it for anything.
its only real good use these days is for office work
lyric thistle
It's got a lot of uses you can put it to work for but of course often you just need one computer to do things with and not much else
dusty cedar
the pc i just built should be good for the next 10 years tbh. it can do just about anything and everything that i would ever use it for. i have 0 use for that old dusty pos
lyric thistle
Lots of things you can do with it, only limited by your imagination and desire to do so.
dusty cedar
i could run it over with my truck
lyric thistle
What an imagination
dusty cedar
life does that to you
lyric thistle
Just put it conspicuously in a dumpster that people dig through a lot, somebody will make use of it
little osprey
I have a question with the 7700x and CPU how do you stop the CPU from hitting 95c limit
stoic island
Better cooling or undervolting and/or underclocking
potent portal
It's technically "designed" to hit that limit, how are your clock speeds? That's the real question. If you're not throttling you're fine.
little osprey
No they are fine it's a open air case
Just fan speed sucks lol
strong raft
Eco mode is worth a try.
earnest olive
what workload?
stress tests, rendering, etc. - 95C is normal
gaming - you have a cooling issue
jagged ember
its only real good use these days is for office work
I reccomend trying parsec to remote into your desktop from your laptop
if you get a dummy HDMI plug for your desktop you can use your laptop as a second screen
leaden mauve
parsec is 🐐
runic spruce
<:Woaat:1022629056946118756>
Idk even what fell out but some good old duct tape and a solder can fix it
dusty cedar
if you get a dummy HDMI plug for your desktop you can use your laptop as a secon...
3 monitor setup sweet
limber oyster
Idk even what fell out but some good old duct tape and a solder can fix it
That's the usb-c header I believe
pale bane
3070 or 6700xt?
pale bane
Depends on price difference
Same price used
For gaming mostly, it’s for a friend of mine
Also schoolwork
obsidian wigeon
if same price i would do 3070
mossy venture
Same price used
Yeah, if same price 3070
vital patrol
What do you think guys, R7 7700X will have lower price after 3D version will release?
dim forge
Dont think so
fossil cedar
Highly doubt
vital patrol
I have some deal now like 310 euro for 7700x right now and dont know what to do
fossil cedar
I have some deal now like 310 euro for 7700x right now and dont know what to do
How much would a 7700x + b650 + at least 2x16gb 5600mhz(6000mhz preferably) cost vs a 13600k(f) and b760/h760/z690/z790 cost + 2x16gb 3200mhz cl16/ 3600mhz cl18 cost
humble fossil
hi
why when you download 50gb or more the other wifi users have low speed , How can I make it suitable for all users
vital patrol
How much would a 7700x + b650 + at least 2x16gb 5600mhz(6000mhz preferably) cost...
310 cpu + 340 mb + 185 ddr5 6000 cl30 32gb
fossil cedar
310 cpu + 340 mb + 185 ddr5 6000 cl30 32gb
Woah woah woah that's wayy to much on a motherboard, what country are you in?
And do you currently have any parts?
vital patrol
I am from Romania, EU
This is price here x.x
I cant get it less
Wops
Idk what to do, for productivity + gaming is better non 3D variant?
mossy venture
Idk what to do, for productivity + gaming is better non 3D variant?
If 13600k+mobo+ ram is cheaper, 100% get that
Even if it's ddr4
vital patrol
I dont want ddr4 is my first build ever, i have already buy ddr5
G skill neo rgb 32gb 6000 cl30
fossil cedar
I cant get it less
Seriously? Because 340 for a basic b650 is atrocious
vital patrol
But how much is on your country?
mossy venture
If 13600k+ ddr5 mobo is cheaper, then get that ig
A b650 is like $180 for a decent one in the US
fossil cedar
A b650 should be like €160 for a good one
mossy venture
Tho even the $160 ones are good enough for a 7700x
vital patrol
Asus rog strix?
mossy venture
Strix is overpriced
Not worth it whatsoever
B650s are overspecced, literally any is good enough for a 7700x
vital patrol
People told me gigabyte one is not a good mb, better to take something from asus
mossy venture
Buying based off brand is not a good idea
Model matters more than brand
Gigabyte also has some amazing mobos
The gigabyte gaming x b650 is one of the cheapest ones and its fine with a 7900x
Check if you can find other b650s for cheaper, and ask here if they're worth it
vital patrol
From gigabyte B type is around 260
fossil cedar
People told me gigabyte one is not a good mb, better to take something from asus
They're telling you to burn money tbh, maybe if you send a link of sites you can buy from i can help?
sinful prawn
Hey guys I have the z790 edge and wondering what is the max psu watts I can use
I think I figured it out it says a max watts of 1050
desert gulch
you can use as big of a psu as you want
sinful prawn
I just need a new psu and don’t want to fry my mb
desert gulch
itll only draw as much as you need
sinful prawn
Thank you
desert gulch
we can make reccomendations on value and what you need to be above, but cant fry a board with too big of a psu
desert gulch
whats parts is this for?
sinful prawn
whats parts is this for?
What do you mean?
desert gulch
like what cpu and gpu this psu is for
sinful prawn
Cpu i7 13th gen, gpu rtx 2070 but I am going get the 4080 real soon
desert gulch
@strong raft you got a unit to reccomend?
not fully up to speed of any specifics the 4080 wants
strong raft
40 series transients alone are actually much better than 30 series, and 4080 is similar tdp to a 3080 afaik. Not white, but here's a $140 A tier 850w example w/ 12vhpwr connector. Change seller to amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Crossfire-Connector-PS-TPD-0850FNFAGU-4/dp/B0BF3YF9KY
sinful prawn
40 series transients alone are actually much better than 30 series, and 4080 is ...
Thank you
sinful prawn
40 series transients alone are actually much better than 30 series, and 4080 is ...
So your saying a 850 is good enough?
The one I have is 750
sinful prawn
That’s soo low right?
sinful prawn
Yea that’s what I want to do
vital patrol
They're telling you to burn money tbh, maybe if you send a link of sites you can...
Site is not in english, idk if you understand something
faint lily
should I get 34" oled 3440x1440 hdr 400 or - 32" 4K HDR 2000 mini-led?
which provides a better picture quality?
fossil cedar
Site is not in english, idk if you understand something
This is a bit better priced although you'll probably be better off with a 13600k
vital patrol
Not really, hardware in our country is super expensive, we have customs tax + vat
For example rtx 4070 ti is 1000+
hollow steeple
is
MSI SPATIUM M371 NVMe M.2 1TB Internal SSD PCIe Gen3 NVMe 3D NAND (SPATIUM M371 NVMe M.2 1TB)MSI SPATIUM M371 NVMe M.2 1TB Internal SSD PCIe Gen3 NVMe 3D NAND (SPATIUM M371 NVMe M.2 1TB) a good m.2 enclosure
i mean good m.2
mossy venture
is
MSI SPATIUM M371 NVMe M.2 1TB Internal SSD PCIe Gen3 NVMe 3D NAND (SPATIUM M...
Depends on the price
If you're in the us, probably not
potent portal
Have you ever heard of the brand super flower?
Since no one answered yes, that Leadex V is a great unit. It has one major flaw. Most power supplies have the protections set so it can exceed the nominal capacity for a short time when needed, this one does not. (12V OCP 100.8%) So when buying this model specifically, you'd want to buy up in power. If you need 750W, buy 850W for example.
sinful prawn
Since no one answered yes, that Leadex V is a great unit. It has one major flaw....
Thank you for answering, the reviews seemed good, I probs need 850 but a 1000 is safe
What you think of this one
fossil cedar
Not really, hardware in our country is super expensive, we have customs tax + va...
Just realised i forgot to link so here, might still be better off going 13600k although i haven't checked
https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/gigabyte/b650m-gaming-x-ax/
sinful prawn
Since no one answered yes, that Leadex V is a great unit. It has one major flaw....
What you think?
potent portal
That's one of the best power supplies that exists currently
Quite overpriced though
fossil cedar
It's not terribly overpriced considering prices atm but yeah last i checked you can get the leadex iii plat for like 160
dusty cedar
Anyone know any particular reason that msi would completely forget to put the data and power bus bar onto the expansion slot on my wife's laptop? This is ridiculous to me. Now I gotta get a nvme card and do data migration from my pc.
It's there and the solder is there. There's no connector there. Tf man.
fossil cedar
Wdym the data and power bus bar? From the pic things look fine
dusty cedar
dude
look again
theres nothing to connect a 2.5" drive there
sure i could put a drive there. but it wouldnt be functional
fossil cedar
Hmmm? Maybe the pic is weird angle but from the way i see it there's not even room to connect a 2.5"
All i see is a wifi card
potent portal
theres nothing to connect a 2.5" drive there
That's intentional to make you pay for the feature
fossil cedar
Also yeah manufacturers like to milk you for money
potent portal
@fossil cedar It's the unoccupied solder points they're talking about
dusty cedar
All i see is a wifi card
look directly below that on the board. you can see the pin out with solder behind it with no actual drive connector on it
fossil cedar
Ohh right
dusty cedar
that part is probably a penny and they didn't include it?
fossil cedar
Is there no spare m.2 connector in the laptop?
potent portal
A little more than a penny but it's more about market segmentation. Their POV is if you wanted that feature you should have paid for it from the factory.
dusty cedar
no. just 1 single m.2 for the 512gb ssd in it
fossil cedar
Sad
dusty cedar
i just bought a 2tb m.2 to replace it since they cheaped out on the expansion bay slot for a 2.5" drive
dusty cedar
A little more than a penny but it's more about market segmentation. Their POV is...
i got my laptop used for like 500 bucks and it included it lol. that's ridiculous though
i talked the dude down to 500 bucks from 1200 though
potent portal
Yep. It's 100% greed. If anything it's cheaper if they included the connector because of the way the factory lines work.
dusty cedar
smelled like an ash tray it was makin me sick to turn it on
dusty cedar
Yep. It's 100% greed. If anything it's *cheaper* if they included the connector ...
yeah that's what i'm saying. they filled the holes with solder so why not just include the bus bar connector or whatever its actually called
first time i'm going to be doing data migration though. how long is it gonna take to move about 400gb from one ssd to a 980 pro?
512gb kingston to the 2tb 980
i got the samsung tool from their website. gonna move the os and everything
potent portal
That depends on a lot of factors, but if both drives are allowed to be full speed it shouldn't take long
odd abyss
which is intake and which is outtake?
potent portal
If you held the fan facing you like that, the orientation on the left would blow air into your face
Whether that translates to intake or exhaust depends on where in the case the fan is
odd abyss
okay so left picture, is blowing air at me
potent portal
Yes
odd abyss
okay thanks
desert gulch
you can also look at the shape of the blades and figure it out that way
odd abyss
you can also look at the shape of the blades and figure it out that way
i tried but i’m slow
desert gulch
they have a curve to them
dim forge
Guys Im trynna fix my cpu fan speed curve
it ran at 55c idle
fan speed was 18% at 40c
so I increased it to 40
now it runs at 45-50
desert gulch
So what's the issue with it
potent portal
Idle temps don't matter, they set the curve like that so it's quieter and uses less power when not in use.
Feel free to change that if you prefer.
dim forge
desert gulch
Also idle temps really don't matter, load temps do
dim forge
oo
did not know that
I also changed last setting bc fan speed was 100% at 90C
to 80C
potent portal
A 12100 should never get that hot, even with a stock cooler...
dim forge
I hope so
desert gulch
A 12100 should never get that hot, even with a stock cooler...
Nzxt would like to introduce itself
dim forge
I'll change thermal paste next week tho
I just didn't have any spare so I used stock one
and see if there are any improvements
desert gulch
Stock stuffs fine
potent portal
Probably not for a low power system like yours
dim forge
okay
potent portal
Maybe one more intake if you have temp issues
mossy jay
/imagine
create a graphic user interface for a web based advertising software using infographics, and design elements for "Attraction Marketing Systems", focusing on "Hyper-Targeting", Micro-Content", Hyper-Scaling".
obsidian wigeon
bro this ain't that ai server
mossy jay
yeah my apologies
jagged ember
lol
tidal sky
Can this Li Lian AIO cooler fit on this Asus ROG strix mini
vital patrol
yeah, why not
tidal sky
as long as you have am4 brackets
The brackets to the bump the thing up right
obsidian wigeon
A bracket is two metal or plastic pieces that you place next to the cpu socket
tidal sky
These correct
tidal sky
Can you buy those separate or no
obsidian wigeon
yeah, or get it free from lian li my emailing their support
tidal sky
Ah
rare sundial
Can anyone suggest me pc parts for 1000euro ? With rtx 3060ti
mossy venture
Can anyone suggest me pc parts for 1000euro ? With rtx 3060ti
Do you already own the gpu?
And what country? Prices vary based on location
little osprey
What was a common AMD/ATI GPU from around 2010 that can run CS Source or other single player games?
heady kayak
What was a common AMD/ATI GPU from around 2010 that can run CS Source or other s...
HD 5870
Was high end for its time though
heady kayak
The 6970 came out in December 2010
little osprey
But I wanna make a time accurate build
Something that was good for games but somewhat average too
strong raft
6870 was 2010 & Gtx 400 series was too, the infamous fermi. Gtx 600 series from 2012 and beyong however, at least has a semi recent driver.
heady kayak
I’d recommend the HD 6670 in that case
it did come out in April 2011
but it was an incredibly popular mid range GPU
little osprey
Came out slightly earlier
What about a motherboard?
little osprey
I don’t really have any suggestions there
Well, what could I find on eBay for a decent price?
Also do people sell old pre-built cases?
Someone's selling a brand new one 💀
heady kayak
Well, what could I find on eBay for a decent price?
I think H55/P55 was pretty common at that point?
little osprey
I think H55/P55 was pretty common at that point?
Are those Intel sockets or AMD?
heady kayak
Intel
heady kayak
If you want to go AMD, there’s Phenom II
little osprey
Is that a CPU or motherboard?
heady kayak
I don’t have any board suggestions on the AMD side. They’re CPUs
strong raft
Cpu is always chosen before mobo. Z77 & 3770 or such would be an awesome 2012ish build btw
little osprey
I don’t have any board suggestions on the AMD side. They’re CPUs
Would you be able to let me know if something is time accurate and viable for the build?
If I show you a listing
heady kayak
Sure.
little osprey
Alrighty
heady kayak
Cpu is always chosen before mobo. Z77 & 3770 or such would be an awesome 2012ish...
Ivy was neat
would still recommend Sandy at that point tho
strong raft
Or 4770. 
little osprey
Something like this?
heady kayak
3770Ks were awesome but not really worth it
autumn gulch
Yo quick question so I was looking at getting a FE gpu from eBay, and I was looking at one and the guy sends me an offer of 50 bucks lower than the list price, so around 700, is that worth it
autumn gulch
Rtx 3080
strong raft
No
autumn gulch
But new
heady kayak
Phenoms are a nightmare to deal with - some of them are DDR2 only
little osprey
heady kayak
the chip you linked supports DDR3
heady kayak
Yeah, 760G is period appropriate. I would recommend trying to find 780G though.
autumn gulch
Dang that’s a rare deal
strong raft
420 was very temporary and limited stock, but a fantastic price tbh.
autumn gulch
I think it was a few weeks ago but they were sold out when I found out about it
mossy venture
I wouldnt spend more than 550 on a 3080
autumn gulch
I wouldnt spend more than 550 on a 3080
Well the used ones are like 490 to 600 ish but this guy has a lot of them somehow new
strong raft
Link?
mossy venture
Well the used ones are like 490 to 600 ish but this guy has a lot of them someho...
Either fake, scalper, or pc builder offloading stock
autumn gulch
Hang on I gotta find it, he doesn’t say he has them but they’re in the background of the pic
mossy venture
I still would not spend more than 550 on a 3080, even if it's new
autumn gulch
Either fake, scalper, or pc builder offloading stock
Well they are fe cards, and he has been selling a few of 3060 ti fe on his eBay page
Not a new account either, good reviews too
strong raft
Wish I went z87 instead of z77 at the time. 3770 to 4770 ipc is a decent difference. Sort of have an E8400 to upgrade or replace eventually anyways. It's just for web browsing and netflix. It's funny how much some 10 yr old mobos are listed for. 
little osprey
Yeah, 760G is period appropriate. I would recommend trying to find 780G though.
?
Sorry I'm back
I went to grab lunch
cyan ravine
Is this what happens when bad influences reach our young generation 😭😭😭
heady kayak
you should look for the 780G northbridge
heady kayak
lol don’t buy OEM
little osprey
Oh okay one sec
verbal plover
👴🦯
heady kayak
those are ewaste
little osprey
heady kayak
That should be okay
be careful when installing RAM, read the manual for the correct order
it is not the same as modern boards
little osprey
Yeah, the rest of the 780G's are over $100
They're hard to find on eBay
The 760G's though however aren't
And lot's more
heady kayak
All of those are probably okay
little osprey
But I wanna do period correct
heady kayak
you should not go period correct for RAM
little osprey
Why's that?
heady kayak
because that’s like 2-4GB lmao
little osprey
I mean it can't be that bad
heady kayak
you’ll get a vastly better experience with 8+
heady kayak
DDR2 isn’t all bad
little osprey
Though I did pull it from a old laptop
So dunno if it's like the CPU and not compatible with desktops
(An investment)
heady kayak
I’m going to rebuild my first PC soon
that was a Z77 Sabertooth with an i7-3770k and HD 7950
also D14 for CPU heatsink
strong raft
. OS alone will use 2+ GB btw
little osprey
<:deviousfroge:1054935096811081768>. OS alone will use 2+ GB btw
Windows 7?
leaden mauve
DDR2 isn’t all bad
🧢
leaden mauve
<:deviousfroge:1054935096811081768>. OS alone will use 2+ GB btw
send me link
leaden mauve
i saw it
leaden mauve
send me link
nvm
dim forge
any good not expensive mouse
strong raft
send me link
Hmm, deathadder essential is a great $20ish option. I bought 2 before a Viper Ultimate
leaden mauve
yea i already found it, and realized its just a generic listing not for specific dimms
heady kayak
You could
little osprey
It's only $5
leaden mauve
i wouldnt waste the money on buying actual garbage 2gb dimms
its just not worth it
that 6+ dollars is better spent at a decent fast food place, not even joking
little osprey
that 6+ dollars is better spent at a decent fast food place, not even joking
I'm not allowed to buy candy or fast food or soda 😔
heady kayak
walking Taco Bell advertisement
leaden mauve
I'm not allowed to buy candy or fast food or soda 😔
not allowed to?
heady kayak
smh my head
leaden mauve
walking Taco Bell advertisement
i never mentioned taco bell goober
heady kayak
🌮 🔔
little osprey
not allowed to?
Parents can see my transactions if they REALLY want to
Unless I pay in cash
little osprey
I mean that's probably why they're dirt cheap
leaden mauve
so you're actually trying to build a legacy system or something? LGA775? 1156?
heady kayak
utter reject silicon
He wants a period correct system
little osprey
heady kayak
from 2010
heady kayak
my recommendation was Phenom II + HD 6770
leaden mauve
dont buy f-die 
heady kayak
which is… a remarkably solid mid range build for its time
little osprey
Hear me out
heady kayak
Bad
leaden mauve
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256017709868 lmao this seller is on proper cocaine
leaden mauve
Id honestly buy this but knowing OCZ it's probably micron which im not interested in. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225489815995 @little osprey
strong raft
Only a year-ish after 6770/6850 etc & 2GB vram is possible btw.
leaden mauve
so unless you want 4 dimms thats a decent option
@heady kayak want some single rank oem 4gbit bfr lol
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325583781531
honestly not even bad for daily
probably not fitting for a period-accurate 2010 build though
leaden mauve
do you really only want 4gb of ram
if you dont really care about how fast the mem is or overclockability and just want capacity, sure, you could get pretty much whatever
little osprey
if you dont really care about how fast the mem is or overclockability and just w...
Probably not gonna overclock
Dunno how to either
As far as speed I dunno
leaden mauve
Probably not gonna overclock
its fun :)
little osprey
its fun :)
Is it possible on Windows 7?
leaden mauve
of course
what it depends on is the other hardware. the CPU, mobo, and ram of course
little osprey
what it depends on is the other hardware. the CPU, mobo, and ram of course
Phenom II X4
Unsure of the motherboard
leaden mauve
which x4
leaden mauve
yea thats fine tbh
little osprey
yea thats fine tbh
So what would be entry level for DDR3 OC?
leaden mauve
"entry level" and "ddr3" is kinda funny because pretty much all ddr3 can be had for pretty cheap these days
little osprey
"entry level" and "ddr3" is kinda funny because pretty much all ddr3 can be had ...
Well what would be easiest to start off with?
I've never overclocked anything
leaden mauve
well what capacity of memory do you want in total
little osprey
I'm gonna be probably doing this on a time accurate PC from around 2010
So a good amount where it's not too much for the system to handle
leaden mauve
So a good amount where it's not too much for the system to handle
that wouldnt be a concern anyway tbh
little osprey
For DDR3 or just RAM in general?
leaden mauve
i guess what, 8GB of ram in total would make sense for a 2010 system? hmm
little osprey
i guess what, 8GB of ram in total would make sense for a 2010 system? hmm
Two 4GB sticks?
lapis turtle
B550 AX V2 with Ryzen 9 5900X. Mobo boots but just a black screen
Tried q flash but no flashing light
little osprey
B550 AX V2 with Ryzen 9 5900X. Mobo boots but just a black screen
Where is your display plugged into?
little osprey
@lapis turtle, get a GT 1030
Not good for games and stuff but will work for display
lapis turtle
Do I still need to update the bios?
little osprey
Do I still need to update the bios?
No
You need a display output
Your CPU doesn't have an iGPU
@lapis turtle, like I said, just pick up a cheap GPU for a display card
Doesn't need to be anything fancy
Could be like a used GT 1030
lapis turtle
<@877285073894924410>, like I said, just pick up a cheap GPU for a display card
You saved me hours of troubleshooting - thank you!
Any idea why the q flash isn’t working? I have a fat32 usb GIGABYTE.bin file on it
orchid grotto
does anyone know of a motherboard, 13 gen cpu combo that will support sli, i have 3 gtx titan hydro copper
little osprey
You can't see what you're doing without a display
lapis turtle
I get that but the manual says you can flash the bios without any other parts (just cpu and PSU plugged in)
little osprey
I get that but the manual says you can flash the bios without any other parts (j...
The manual assumes if you have a GPU
Since you bought a CPU that doesn't have a integrated display
lapis turtle
The manual assumes if you have a GPU
Thanks
little osprey
@leaden mauve https://www.ebay.com/itm/195664643708?
Because
Two extra sticks
Than shown
leaden mauve
why would you wanna buy that
little osprey
Nah you'd have to read the description
There's two extra 1600Mhz Corsair sticks that supposedly don't work
With all the other sticks too
strong raft
those are tri-channel kits for an i7-920 or w/e.
little osprey
those are tri-channel kits for an i7-920 or w/e.
Hm?
What are those?
The XMS3 stuff?
OOOOOH
NVM I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
But why an odd number when there's an even number of slots?
That's probably why the kit isn't working since it's missing one
lapis turtle
What’s a good GPU under $500?
strong raft
Ya want a normal 2 or 4 dimm kit. This is the sort of mobo those 3stick kits are for. Intel x58 (i7-920 & such):
little osprey
What’s a good GPU under $500?
Like I said, if you're not gonna use it for games and only display, just get a GT 1030 or something
Used would be best
little osprey
Ya want a normal 2 or 4 dimm kit. This is the sort of mobo those 3stick kits are...
Weeeeird
strong raft
Basically it's 50% higher ram bandwidth at the same speed vs a dual channel setup.
lapis turtle
Like I said, if you're not gonna use it for games and only display, just get a G...
I’m gonna eventually use GPU for data science
little osprey
@leaden mauve https://www.ebay.com/itm/175647556331?
little osprey
I’m gonna eventually use GPU for data science
Uhhhh, I'm unsure, someone else would have to help you with that
regal shard
What’s a good GPU under $500?
You can get a lot of good ones for under that especially used
Look at 3070 and 3060ti maybe even some 3080s
strong raft
If in usa. 3060 ti used often $300ish, 3070 can be found $350-400. 3080 is sometimes under $500. They're 2+ yrs old, so new stock prices aren't always great.
regal shard
Yeah I got scammed I bought my 3070ti last yeah for like 650
little osprey
@heady kayak, is finding a CPU cooler for the Phenom II X6 gonna be an issue?
As well as PSU?
heady kayak
No
Use a normal PSU, don’t go period correct there
CPU cooler should be easy enough to find
little osprey
Use a normal PSU, don’t go period correct there
Well I mean yeah but will I be able to cheap out on it since it’s basically a low end build by today’s standards?
little osprey
Actually?
potent portal
C tier has more protections than a standard PSU from early last decade yeah
The ATX standard is constantly changing. Just recently we got the 3.0 revision. Most still use the 2.4 revision.
stoic island
Actually?
Look at the old Corsair TX for example, top tier unit 10 years ago, considered tier C today
olive cypress
What happens if I exceed the max rated current on a motherboard header/connector like a fan one??
For example if a fan header is rated for 12v1.5A and i use 2/2.5A will it shut down, melt, stop power deliver to that component in specific...?
potent portal
Depends on how the motherboard handles it. If it has a sensor, it'll just not exceed the rating. If it doesn't, it will either shut down or blow out the header.
stoic island
usually doesn't have protection, most likely it'll just melt/die
olive cypress
Because I got a dell optiplex 3050 with it's proprietary connector that's splits to one SATA, one power for dvd player, I was wondering if using a 1 sata to 5 sata splitter would cause any problems (as far as I don't exceed 45w rated for every data connector)
potent portal
Yep only high end boards would have an extra sensor to protect it
Oh are you talking about one of those modified 12VO boards, where there's only one cable that goes to the motherboard and the motherboard converts the voltage?
olive cypress
Just to stay safe: should I get a splitter from the 4pin eps (CPU) to a 4pin eps + sata power? CPU delivers about 60w so 144w (rated for 4pin eps) - 60w = 80w for sata connectors (using only 40w out of it)
olive cypress
Oh are you talking about one of those modified 12VO boards, where there's only o...
I think so
Idk, it's a 6pin motherboard connector, the motherboard then has a header (that looks like a mini 6pin pcie) and splits (3.3, 5, 12v) to dvd and sata connector
potent portal
Yeah that's Dell's modified 12VO design
olive cypress
I was wondering if the header will deliver enough current on 5 & 12v to handle about 40w of HDDs
Don't really want to fry it
potent portal
The power supply would only output 12V so if you did use a conversion cable only things using 12V would work
40W of HDDs should be ok I think
olive cypress
Ah right... I'd also need 5v directly from the PSU uhhh
Should I try the thing where I connect the 1 to 5 SATA splitter and see if the cable heats up?
If it does I'll just disconnect it and look for another solution
potent portal
The PSU doesn't do 5V though so you'd need a second PSU if you wanted to play it really safe
The splitter is probably ok
olive cypress
12v to 5v dc converter should work fine if I go for that solution, I could also look what the 6 cables voltages going to the motherboard are
And if it has a 5v cable I'll just split it into 2 and solder it to the sata splitter
The problem with the stupid psu is that it says only the current outputs for 12v1 & 12v2
No info about 3.3 & 5 on the label
potent portal
Because 12VO means 12V Only
olive cypress
Maybe it's because it does only output 12 and the motherboard converts it to 5 & 3.3 where it's needed but that'd be a bit strange
potent portal
12VO is an ATX standard, just not commonly used. Dell uses a modified version so the standard connectors and 12VO PSU don't fit.
olive cypress
Maybe I should just go safe and get a dc converter to get 5v and cut one of the PSU 12v cables
little osprey
Look at the old Corsair TX for example, top tier unit 10 years ago, considered t...
So how is stuff nowadays better and cheaper?
obsidian wigeon
Newer standards and psus age over time
little osprey
Newer standards and psus age over time
Well I mean the aging part is obvious
obsidian wigeon
ATX spec changes all the time
little osprey
Wasn’t the Corsair TX classed as if it were brand new?
obsidian wigeon
Uh no
The tier list updates all the time
They account in age of the psu and all
little osprey
Not even if it’s brand new out of the box?
stoic island
Also, older standards were worse
stoic island
So how is stuff nowadays better and cheaper?
More mature processes for components = better stuff for cheaper as we make more of them faster
It's just technology improving
obsidian wigeon
^
little osprey
Are OEM PSU’s cheap at all?
little osprey
Something like Dell
stoic island
they tend to be more expensive because dell lol
and also proprietary so not compatible half the time
little osprey
What about a second hand Dell PSU?
little osprey
I’m probably gonna try to find a pre-built PC case too
stoic island
why though
stoic island
I’m probably gonna try to find a pre-built PC case too
do you have a dell board
little osprey
do you have a dell board
No
regal shard
How loud are your pcs?
stoic island
basically
if you get a dell case and psu you'll be forced to get a dell board
because dell
it's not standard 95% of the time
stoic island
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165979839575?
problem is I don't even see eps12v, it might be one of the weird dell 12vo ones
stoic island
It’s an HP case though
which means you'd have to get a HP motherboard and PSU xD
HP and Dell are the worst offenders when it comes to proprietary hardware
little osprey
Hmmmmm
I mean getting a AM3 HP board doesn’t seem too bad
But the PSU though…
I swear to god
I dunno I’ll figure out the case and PSU last
earnest olive
what do you plan to do with an HP AM3 board
and why do you want to buy a $60 HP case from the 16th century
leaden mauve
He already bought the ddr3 
heady kayak
and why do you want to buy a $60 HP case from the 16th century
He’s trying to build a period appropriate build
(2010 or so)
little osprey
and why do you want to buy a $60 HP case from the 16th century
It’s only $20 and maybe a little bit for shipping
verbal plover
ok got new fan, no more seizure rgb exhaust
should I rma the broken one 😭 I'm gonna be honest idek how to ship things
earnest olive
it says $41 shipping for me
rare sundial
Do you already own the gpu?
No i want a build with rtx 3060ti or 3060
rare sundial
And what country? Prices vary based on location
Germany
south cliff
should I rma the broken one 😭 I'm gonna be honest idek how to ship things
put it in a box with good amount of warping so that the company says something about it was you're fault and just bring it to your local shipping office and pay for shipping unlless they give you a shipping label then it will be free
verbal plover
put it in a box with good amount of warping so that the company says something a...
sounds like alot of work for $20 ngl
south cliff
sounds like alot of work for $20 ngl
not really
put it back in what it came with
and bring it to a post office
and your done
verbal plover
dusty cedar
Where do I find this fan setting in my bios? I can't seem to find the "smart fan" option even under the fan settings. Unless it's called something else? My bios decided to self change options according to my wife's hard drive when I was doing data migration and went into my bios to check to see if it mounted and was readable by my board.
My pump fan is stuck at 100% at all times until I can get that setting changed
stoic island
Do you have your pump fan plugged into a fan header or the pump header?
dusty cedar
Never mind. I found it. If anyone else was having a similar issue ever before it's under hardware monitor
dusty cedar
Do you have your pump fan plugged into a fan header or the pump header?
Pump
stoic island
Pump header defaults to 100%
dusty cedar
Fixed it
stoic island
But yea the fan curve is there
dusty cedar
Yeah I didn't see it until I decided to go to the only part of the bios I didn't click on until just now. Had to check mark off all the smart controls for the fans to enable it again
Kinda dumb that I had to turn that all back on again just because it decided to use the settings from my wife's laptop instead of using settings I had saved.
Much better 😌 👌🏼
strong raft
Most of us pass on extra bloatware.
dusty cedar
Why bloat ware when hwinfo64 and rtss
hardly "bloatware" with 32gb of ram. its negligible. and rtss is part of msi center to begin with. also, neither of those programs can control my fans or lights.
potent portal
Ooh nice
zenith cargo
70-76
potent portal
That just means you need to turn up the settings
potent portal
Which cpu did you have again?
potent portal
You have PBO tuned a bit?
zenith cargo
my cpu tuned>?
potent portal
Overclocked with precision boost overdrive
potent portal
Not if you undervolt it too
zenith cargo
62 idle 💀
pseudo pollen
Man's running with stock cooler or something smh
potent portal
You could set a -0.025v offset to the core and it'll run much cooler without losing performance. In fact it might gain performance from having more thermal headroom.
pseudo pollen
Couldn't afford anything better?
pseudo pollen
Ah
pseudo pollen
I recently did a meaningless upgrade to a peerless assassin on my 12400
potent portal
Do you know what case it is? So I can give you a good cheap upgrade option for the cooler
potent portal
168mm CPU cooler clearance, plenty of room
zenith cargo
I bought a nzxt kraken z63 a few months ago but it was broken
cuz it was used
didnt work
ig the pump was faulty or sum
even though it mentioned it ran perfectly
pseudo pollen
There are some parts I just won't buy used and an AIO is one of them
zenith cargo
my gpu was used 💀
pseudo pollen
Same here
zenith cargo
but i mean $560 aint bad for a 6900xt
pseudo pollen
just gotta make sure there are returns
pseudo pollen
I spent $400 on a 3070
zenith cargo
dang
pseudo pollen
Not the greatest deal, but it's an upgrade from my previous 6600
zenith cargo
didnt like amd or wat
pseudo pollen
Not enough rendering performance
zenith cargo
nvidia is just good for ray tracing
pseudo pollen
Also for some reason the gpu broke DaVinci Resolve
zenith cargo
Not enough rendering performance
o
pseudo pollen
Now the 3070 fixed the davinci problem
zenith cargo
was that
potent portal
Editing and rendering tends to favor Nvidia because they've had the top dog spot for so long. They optimized the programs almost exclusively for Nvidia.
AMD is gaining ground but in these tasks it's up to the program devs to fix things
zenith cargo
pseudo pollen
AMD is gaining ground but in these tasks it's up to the program devs to fix thin...
Still got a long way to go
zenith cargo
ima prob buy this to match my fans
pseudo pollen
Buy a better cooler and buy those fans
potent portal
Oh right Mexico, hang on
pseudo pollen
That cooler isn't very good overall
zenith cargo
lmao why is it in spanish
potent portal
zenith cargo
the desc is literally in english 😂
pseudo pollen
Get rid of the /es in the link, It's an easy fix
potent portal
This would be a much better cooler for that price range. A simple 4 heat pipe single tower isn't enough for the 5800X.
pseudo pollen
Peerless assassin is an amazing cooler, the AK620 as well
zenith cargo
big boi
potent portal
No this is the big boi https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BNH1W546
zenith cargo
GYATT
potent portal
A dual tower like that would easily handle a 5800X, without resorting to liquid cooling and it's issues (like pumps)
strong raft
potent portal
At least, as easily as any cooler can handle the 5800X. It is known as one of the hottest CPUs of today.
potent portal
Ahem: <https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ckwypg/thermalright-frost-spirit-140-778...
Yeah but does that have 7 heat pipes?
strong raft
Bigger pipes. 
-- margin of error almost tho probably
zenith cargo
good options but too broke
potent portal
Keep them in mind, no need to jump on them right away. You can still undervolt like I said to improve things.
zenith cargo
alr
jagged ember
hardly "bloatware" with 32gb of ram. its negligible. and rtss is part of msi cen...
Lights could use openrgb, fans could be from bios
Further reducing the need for extra software
potent portal
RTSS is included in Afterburner too, not MSI Center
zenith cargo
i also need to buy a gpu support thingy cuz my shi heavy
zenith cargo
i dont want my pins to brake
potent portal
Got Lego? Build your own
potent portal
Old piece of wood would even do for a stopgap until you do something nicer
jagged ember
Old piece of wood would even do for a stopgap until you do something nicer
This too
Would probably look less jank than mine lol
dusty cedar
RTSS is included in Afterburner too, not MSI Center
Yeah I know. I already have afterburner
dusty cedar
Lights could use openrgb, fans could be from bios
Yeah. Definitely not gonna be running 3rd party software for over 100 dollar fans. 32gb of ram. These direct party programs use a negligible amount of memory and I've got 2tb of 980pro. I'm also not gonna restart my pc and jump into bios any time I want to put my fans into quiet mode.
You gotta be joking or trolling at this point right?
jagged ember
I don't even mess with my fan curves, set em once and forget
I still prefer software dedicated only to lighting control or dedicated to monitoring hardware
Don't need something like MSI center with all of the extra things that it's running for wifi or something
P12s are basically quiet under any condition, so I guess that helps with my case lol
potent portal
It's not only about memory use for the software also
jagged ember
CPU usage
potent portal
Take iCue for example, I've seen it use 100% of a single core on a 5800X just with a simple pattern
obsidian wigeon
ouch
jagged ember
Damn
obsidian wigeon
talk about trash software
obsidian wigeon
can't corsair hire better coders or what lol
jagged ember
If it ain't broke
potent portal
They can totally hire better programmers but consider these two things:
Why would they? It doesn't make them more money. The software is free.
Why would the coders even try to do it right the first time? If it's perfect they're out of a job.
jagged ember
Add more if statements
jagged ember
Really make the software inefficient
jagged ember
Ghub sucks ass
obsidian wigeon
compared to older logitech gaming software
potent portal
Even after the 4 different redesigns they've gone through it's still bad yeah
jagged ember
Reapplying macros from the cloud makes infinite copies of them
potent portal
I only use it to create an onboard profile and then uninstall lol
jagged ember
The UI has changed but I feel like it's still equally confusing?
potent portal
Yes the UI is definitely worse. It took me an hour and several reddit threads to find a basic feature.
obsidian wigeon
I plan to use LGS, no ghub for me
jagged ember
Also, every ghub update breaks windows until it's finished updating
obsidian wigeon
G305 can still use it for it being released during when LGS still exists
jagged ember
Not the renewed g305 though right
potent portal
Same with my G502
obsidian wigeon
I'm not sure
jagged ember
The 100 dollar chock full of rgb egg?
obsidian wigeon
Oh, nah my country has none of that version
jagged ember
Thank god
obsidian wigeon
It's still the classic 2018 design
I don't like rgb on mice anyway
It's just useless
pseudo pollen
How does this list look? All of the purchased parts are parts that I already have and I'm just trying to make a pc out of them https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bWng9r
obsidian wigeon
It's something you use with your hand all the time
jagged ember
It's something you use with your hand all the time
Exactly my thinking lol
pseudo pollen
Not really sus brand, and it's a bit cheaper iirc
obsidian wigeon
i'd trust team group more
obsidian wigeon
buying a drive with no reviews is a gamble
jagged ember
Haven't heard of them before I think
obsidian wigeon
it can be good, or it can be bad
potent portal
Dunno about the ram though
9100F
pseudo pollen
buying a drive with no reviews is a gamble
It's just a weird brand, it's still decent and slightly cheaper then other options
jagged ember
Personally I'd pay the little extra to get performance i know to expect
obsidian wigeon
reading spec sheets isn't all there is
also yeah, i'd rather spend a lil bit more
having that confidence in what im getting is better
jagged ember
Performance as in real world benches
obsidian wigeon
no one will list random r/w speeds anyway
jagged ember
Not the marketing stuff they slap all over drives
potent portal
It's just a weird brand, it's still decent and *slightly* cheaper then other opt...
$2 is worth getting a known good one though
obsidian wigeon
cause it'll look "slow"
jagged ember
$2 is worth getting a known good one though
Oh if it's two dollars that's 100% a no brainer
pseudo pollen
$2 is worth getting a known good one though
More like $1.50 for the A60
jagged ember
I'd get any of the ones I suggested no hesitation
jagged ember
It's ultimately your choice
pseudo pollen
I'm honestly willing to take the gamble as I trust the product
jagged ember
Just making some suggestions is all
pseudo pollen
I'd make those suggestions myself
I've made enough build lists to know a thing or two
jagged ember
Fair is fair
pseudo pollen
Dunno about the ram though
Ram is fine
potent portal
Yeah the ram isn't even going to run at 3200 anyway, might as well get the cheapest one that looks good
Maybe double check the motherboard QVL to see if the brand/model is even in it first though
pseudo pollen
I think the mobo is a asrock one pulled from a prebuilt, I only picked it because it's the cheapest one with four ram slots and is decent looking. As all motherboards from that generation are getting really expensive
potent portal
It should still say what model the board is based on, either printed on the board itself or you can find it in the CPU-Z mainboard tab
pseudo pollen
Honestly I don't care about the speed. I'm planning on reselling this at a mark-up and what sells is rgb and aesthetics. So I'm really just doing that
potent portal
It's not about the speed though, if the board doesn't know the model code it might just not boot at all
It's going to be locked to 2666 no matter what (I think that was it)
heavy atlas
regal shard
What are some speakers you’d guysrecommended for pc
Not looking for anything high end but something pretty good
analog hearth
any Logitech speakers are okay
@regal shard
they’re not crazy good but far from bad in my experience
regal shard
Literally anything that sounds better than tv speakers and I’m chilling
jagged ember
edifier R1280Ts ain't bad
theres also the uh, https://drop.com/buy/drop-bmr1-nearfield-monitors?defaultSelectionIds=974219
Iunno if they're any good, but damn they look good
leaden mauve
drop 
zenith cargo
ight i got the cooler u sent me
the id cooling one
i saw an odd review of someone saying they overclocked their 5800x to 5GHz and their temps were at 40c
prob not true
jagged ember
se224 whatever is a nice budget cooler
vital rune
I built myself a new PC not too long ago however something is wrong with the display I can see the screen on the desktop and sign in screen but for some games it only shows a top portion and rest is black but other games are fine when I go to bios it does same thing also I hadn't had an issue with this before so I'm not sure what's wrong
When it's not it full screen so when I'll do like alt and enter to make it window it shows up fine
flint sapphire
Might be a display issue, sometimes vsync can cause weird screen issues… for now mess around with settings 
vital rune
i dont see a option for amd besides some freesync but thats off its just odd how its some games where I get the issues then just the windows when it boot up the PC and when I go into bios
vital rune
amd msi 6700xt
obsidian wigeon
Download from this and choose adrenalin edition
vital rune
welp tried to post what i was trying to explain
obsidian wigeon
I can still see what you were trying to explain
It's probably caused by gpu drivers not being installed
vital rune
alright i tried installing the drivers it said on the amd software adrenalin it said it was installed and reset PC and all now its showing there's a different one to install
vital rune
I would assume after installing this newer one should be fine afterwards it worked in past prior and all connections are good just odd how it is on/off with what applications are running
obsidian wigeon
If everything is fine, it will fix your issues
vital rune
Game was having issue with work in Fullscreen now but bios still barely showing screen
obsidian wigeon
mmm
Okay I'm starting to think it's a cable or gpu issue
But it can just be because many mobos prefers displayport over hdmi as default
analog hearth
try a different cable. still not working? try the new cable with a different port. still? if you have another display, try using that instead and see if the issue persists
cinder sigil
Finished custom sleeved cables! Here's Progress clip on my Aorus Sleeper PC build, https://twitter.com/Mnpctech/status/1638915136684449794
little osprey
@stoic island, will picking a case be super important or does it not matter as much?
I wanna do like a generic desktop case from around 2010
stoic island
don't go dell or hp because they have weird form factors
other than that should be ok
little osprey
other than that should be ok
Packard Bell 😏
olive cypress
Maybe I should just go safe and get a dc converter to get 5v and cut one of the ...
@potent portal did some modding, added a DC converter to get 5v out of the 12v (I splitted the EPS connector), now I'll check if it works
Sorry for the flipped photo
Better
All this work for 4 sata power connector 😅
olive cypress
I got so scared when it didn't turn on and found out the power button got unplugged
Smol heart attack
Wtf is this goofy sound
(Lower your volume befor listening)
mint summit
Wtf is this goofy sound <:kekw:741678350791081994>
(Lower your volume befor lis...
ice cream truck type sound
little osprey
With the new Ryzen cpu and there new 95c limit to push the clocks is there any settings to stop pushing 95c but not loose performance
formal girder
If I'm not mistaken I believe that was the intention that it would be at or around that 95°C threshold
strong raft
Use eco mode & it might not bounce around 90-95c.
potent portal
With the new Ryzen cpu and there new 95c limit to push the clocks is there any s...
You can set a target temperature by setting the "platform thermal throttle limit" in the PBO overclocking settings. You will get reduced performance more than likely.
Probably won't affect gaming too much tbh
potent portal
But also is around 2010
Physical form factors haven't changed much in the last ~20 years, any modern case that says it support micro ATX should work. Like this one. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V8Dkcf/cougar-mx331-mesh-x-atx-mid-tower-case-mx331-mesh-x
little osprey
Physical form factors haven't changed much in the last ~20 years, any modern cas...
Well it's less the form factor and more the aestetic I'm going for
Also how much should I be paying for a used HD 5870?
I'm seeing a lot of them listed for a Mac Pro or something but I don't remember Apple products having GPU's
potent portal
Yeah that'll do
leaden mauve
Oh hey I have one of those
potent portal
Well it's less the form factor and more the aestetic I'm going for
As far as aesthetic the case I linked has a metal, vented side panel like you'd find on a late 2000's early 2010's case
potent portal
Is there anything I need to do before swapping my cpu cooler
Nope, just make sure to wipe off the old thermal paste. Isopropyl alcohol works well.
potent portal
🤞
little osprey
leaden mauve
which parts did you buy already
potent portal
What's funny is that's almost exactly my first gaming PC. I still have my Phenom II x4 965 and HD 5770.
The motherboard is long gone though
... I'm a hardware hoarder. But at least I give my friends what they need for free or as a gift.
leaden mauve
lol maybe he should recreate your PC instead
little osprey
What's funny is that's almost exactly my first gaming PC. I still have my Phenom...
I'm trying to recreate a PC from around 2010 that's gonna use Windows 7 and I'm probably gonna try to learn how to overclock RAM on it
So kinda project PC
potent portal
AM3+ is going to overclock memory better than AM2+ so good call there
I'd still go Intel personally, AMD was kind of a flop then
First gen i7 
limber oyster
Does anyone know what pads the EK Quantum Momentum X570 Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi waterblock uses?
cyan ravine
Probably ek pads
leaden mauve
Now I want dual rank M16B for my daily
cyan ravine
Do you need replacements? Pick gc extreme pads at the same thickness
zenith cargo
Bruh I think I f’ed up the thermal passing
Pasting*
Oh well
Looks good enough for me
cyan ravine
Haven't
That's a pretty ample amount tho I'm no fan of the pea method
I prefer spread
runic spruce
Yea the mounting pressure should get it everywhere, but like the guy above me said spread is best
Tho it shouldn’t really matter tho, thermals are basically the same pea or spread
fleet heron
Go big or go home
obsidian wigeon
but i don't think you can afford it anyway
it's still lots more than a 12100f lol
zenith cargo
fleet heron
not 12600K going on discount just after I built my rig with an i3
ive got the 12600k 🙂
potent portal
anyone know any tips to fix the bottleneck?
How are your CPU temps with the new cooler?
gentle pollen
I am gonna transfer my system to a new case tomorrow and I was wondering what I should do about the thermal paste on the cpu currently?
Can I just wipe off whats on it currently with a paper towel?
zenith cargo
someone said to wipe it off with some alcohol
obsidian wigeon
Can I just wipe off whats on it currently with a paper towel?
If it's not old paste paper towel will do more than fine
Having iso alc would make sure all gets off
But it's fine
obsidian wigeon
Yeeeah that's about time you use iso
gentle pollen
Would there be any major harm if I didn't use it? I'd like to keep this as a hassle-free swap without spending money on more things.
cyan ravine
nope
unless it was like, the worst towel in existence and covered your cpu like dog fur
it's fine
potent portal
ingame is around 65-68
Sounds like you've got headroom to overclock the CPU with PBO now
potent portal
If I did get isopropyl alcohol what % would I want to use?
Preferably 90+
Lower concentrations have more water so if you did use one that's less make sure to dry it off and let it air dry a bit
potent portal
Yeah pure iso is possible but usually not cheap
cyan ravine
the higher the concentration the better
potent portal
It'll be close enough to 100 to call it that
cyan ravine
alcohol evaporates, but the residue left is not from the alcohol itself
gentle pollen
found one that's $17 for 3x1l of ISO Alcohol.
cyan ravine
so one way or another even with 99% iso you still wipe the cpu/die down after it dries
potent portal
I usually pay $1-2 for 2 pints
gentle pollen
so one way or another even with 99% iso you still wipe the cpu/die down after it...
gotcha.
gentle pollen
I usually pay $1-2 for 2 pints
what's that in l/ml?
gentle pollen
oh okay
will try with the gold ol paper towel for this swap but I'll definitely look into some Iso-Alcohol for the next swap
frigid night
If I did get isopropyl alcohol what % would I want to use?
90% + is preferable.
oh.. I forgot to check if the convo went down more. my bad