building-and-recc-chat

[regal shard]

I heard something about amd overheating

[cyan ravine]

Biostar

[potent portal]

Expected Q3-Q4 so September or later

[cyan ravine]

Biostar was responsible for that

[south cliff]

amd will have hopefully somthing by then

[cyan ravine]

As usual biostar with the bottom tier

[cursive wharf]

user error, people didnt plug in power connector as its a pain to plug in properly.

[potent portal]

XTX reference coolers also had underfilled heat chambers

ONLY the reference cooler though

[cyan ravine]

Yes those are biostar made coolers

Specifically mba is biostar

[regal shard]

Ohh that’s why

[potent portal]

Oh biostar made those? No wonder

[cyan ravine]

Yes

The other reference cards (not totally) were unaffected

MBA was all biostar lol

I saw a review of their z690a valkyrie

You can't use more than 5.5ghz on a 13900K with it

It runs hot

You can only run 3200 jedec

[dusty cedar]

im just gonna say f the budget and make something reasonable and post it when i'm done.

[cursive wharf]

@dusty cedar Here is a $1650 build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9yvyC6

[cyan ravine]

What's the budget and what's this for?

[cursive wharf]

13600k goes well beyond what FL Studio even recommends so tbf I dont think you even need more then it.

[cursive wharf]

Original budget was 2k for build with monitor, then they allowed for 2.1k - 2.3k for bit more, then they wanted less with no say in how much less.
Primarily gaming with music production as a secondary.

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jWVKrD
You can find used 3080s for under $500 easily. Click the one I put for an example link.

[turbid skiff]

oh cool

would you recommend used parts?

[potent portal]

I edited to swap the PSU, almost forgot that

Used is usually fine if it's from a decent seller

Worst case scenario it needs to be repasted but that's unlikely for a 30 series card. Nuclear scenario they send a brick and you get the money back.

[turbid skiff]

alr thanks

is there anything that you would change with my current build or should I just swap the graphics card and memory

[potent portal]

To get you started you can get the GPU and power supply, changing the rest over time

You don't want to do DDR4 with a 13600k

[cyan ravine]

@dusty cedar how's this? 64gb, 4070ti, monitor and a cpu better than any i9 from 2 years ago or later
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9syPrD

I5 is as good as most i9's in the wild, don't judge it by the name

And it games like a 13900K

Best of both worlds

[stoic island]

Like this, using pcpp because it's easier to work with, everything is still found on wegg
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQFNC6
The Corsair ddr5 4800 kit previously in the list is pretty bad, but if you want to stick to ddr5, the updated list would look more like
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wgDggb

[potent portal]

Yep 13600k is a value king right now. Gets within 5% of the 13900k in almost everything.

[stoic island]

(that's following close in what the wegg list was, you can do further optimization but that's just an example of giving you the same things for cheaper)

[turbid skiff]

alr I'll swap the motherboard and memory. Is my cpu cooler fine with the cpu I'm using or should I opt for water cooling

[potent portal]

On a 13600k water cooling is a must. It's essentially a 12900k and can pull a TON of power.

[cyan ravine]

Nah you can run a 13600k on a dual tower

You just can't OC it that much like on a aio

Ask pato if you're interested

[potent portal]

It's the single tower one though

Regular esports, not the duo

[cyan ravine]

Yeah but an ag620 or pa120 is fine too lol

Not talking about freezer 34

[cursive wharf]

Dont think audio production needs much RAM. FL Studio which is one of their main programs says that 32GB is more then enough. I'd go for 32GB of good D5 over 64GB of meh D4 given audio production is pretty focused on latencies.
https://support.image-line.com/action/knowledgebase/?id=55&ans=214

[cyan ravine]

@turbid skiff here's what I'd do for a 2nd opinion https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LrJ4bK

[turbid skiff]

^

but if I really should get a 4070ti then I could buy it myself

[cyan ravine]

Ah all parts under 500

I misread ok

Yeah then fal's list is prolly better

[potent portal]

I had a 12400+4070 ti build originally for them with good ddr5 and everything to allow for upgrade later. But yeah the $500 per part cap changes that.

[cyan ravine]

@shut shadow tell me ur thoughts man, I can help try to understand

[dusty cedar]

https://www.newegg.com/white-fractal-design-focus-2-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352194?Item=N82E16811352194

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144564?Item=N82E16813144564

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-rtx-4070-ti-gaming-x-trio-12g/p/N82E16814137771?Item=N82E16814137771

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118368?Item=N82E16819118368

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374351?Item=N82E16820374351

https://www.newegg.com/enermax-ets-f40-bk-argb/p/N82E16835214110?Item=N82E16835214110

https://www.newegg.com/microsoft-windows-11-home-usb/p/N82E16832351748?Item=N82E16832351748

https://www.newegg.com/p/183-008U-00004?Item=9SIAERKAMD2767

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-mfl-b2dn-183pa-r1-case-fan/p/N82E16835103293?Item=9SIAXK8JNF6601

https://www.newegg.com/samsung-2tb-980-pro/p/N82E16820147796?Item=9SIBA3GJM66877

https://www.newegg.com/black-z-edge-gaming-monitor-ug32p-27/p/3D4-004G-00012?Item=9SIAT2EGJR8733

https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-01JK-000B0?Item=9SIB7W5HYV0563

total is 2,437.45 before tax and shipping

what about that

[cursive wharf]

How bad does locked SA affect 6400MT/s D5? Considering 13500 for Onyx on this price effective build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tww2yK

[cyan ravine]

6400 is a toss up.

[cursive wharf]

So basically dont go for locked SA on 6400 then?

[cyan ravine]

6000 max

[dusty cedar]

is that good for gaming and music production?

[cyan ravine]

I'd say it's a bit worse also that monitor can run at max fps on like a 3070 ti

Give me a minute I'll change my list a lil

Did you want rgb?

[dusty cedar]

yeah that would be cool

[rare hollow]

for a budget of 1.5k USD pre-tax, what cpu would u guys pair with a 6950xt?

[cyan ravine]

How's this @dusty cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TYcDW4

[potent portal]

12400 or 12600k on a B660 or B760 prob

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 12600k probably

[rare hollow]

aight ty

[cyan ravine]

@dusty cedar the monitor I picked is a good overall monitor, it'll have better resolution for what you want to do and also the gpu can be maxed out on it

If you want something changed lmk

[dusty cedar]

ill look at it in a second. thank you

[rare hollow]

would a ak400 be able to cool a 12600k? or should I get the ak620 instead?

[cyan ravine]

Go ag620

[rare hollow]

👍

[cyan ravine]

Ak620 but cheaoer

@rare hollow bought the gpu yet?

[rare hollow]

thinking of getting it for 650

building a part list for a friend

[cyan ravine]

You could fit 4070ti in for 1500

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LrJ4bK

OR

Give me a sec

[rare hollow]

thinking of getting all of the parts from microcenter.. but lemme ask him if he dont mind just ordering 1 part online

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V8dhH2

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yP6Whk

If they really want amd you could do that

[rare hollow]

👌 ty

[cyan ravine]

Bacca's list is good too, basically the same deal

4070 Ti you get RT and blender benefits basically for the extra money slapped on

Otherwise they'll perform basically the same

[rare hollow]

he said he doesnt really care about rt, so probably gonna go with the 6950xt

[cyan ravine]

Sounds good

You could run any of those combos with the 6950xt so it'll be a good deal

@dusty cedar did you want me to change anything with the list?

Does it look good? Still missing something?

[regal shard]

I’d give him a 850 watt

750 is little too low for the 6950 XT

[cyan ravine]

750e will ignore most of the 600W transients

It's fine

It's cutting it a little close tho I'll agree

[languid nimbus]

Yeah, if it’s gonna be that close, make sure it’s a quality PSU

[turbid skiff]

@potent portal Could I still opt for a 400$ 3060 ti or is a better GPU nessisary for the i5 13600kf

[cyan ravine]

You can

I'd go $450 with a used 3080 tho

Significant upgrade

Like a good maybe 30% better?

[regal shard]

Like 40

3070 to 3080 is like 20%

Actually ur probably right lmao

[turbid skiff]

ok ill get the 3080 for an extra 60

[regal shard]

Might as well right

This your first pc?

[turbid skiff]

yea Im really new to pc building

started researching like 2 weeks ago

[regal shard]

We all gotta start somewhere

[turbid skiff]

yea

[regal shard]

That’s good I only researched like a week

Do you have a pc parts picker build already?

[turbid skiff]

yea but its mostly obsolete now that you guys gave me a bunch of advice lol

I still gotta update it

[regal shard]

Ok when u update it I’ll check it for u

[turbid skiff]

alr thanks

[dusty cedar]

is this ok?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M4s3Tn

[frigid night]

@desert sigil Good to see your setup again. One of my faves.

[cyan ravine]

Ok list of things I gotta tell you here
12700 is significantly slower than 13600k and 13700k
Single tower cpu cooler is not enough for any of these chips
The edge board won't really give you any benefits over the other boards - there are other boards with more rgb if you want that
DDR5 is kind of a waste in this budget, more money for not really gains that are worth over the 4070 ti you want

Might sound harsh but if you want max settings, top level editing power and all that, you'll be kneecapping yourself with those things

[desert sigil]

Thanks! 2 years in the making and cheap facebook market finds plus eBay helped. You should of seen my early COVID setup. i7 4770K and GTX 960 and only two monitors

[cyan ravine]

Not to mention you don't have a monitor in that budget

Do you want me to give you more rgb onyx?

[potent portal]

Needs Asus branded floors. Not enough Asus.

[dusty cedar]

thats what i have in my cart on newegg.

[cyan ravine]

You need a monitor tho eh?

[dusty cedar]

minus a monitor on that pc builder website

[cyan ravine]

You're spending like $400 more there for a slower pc

Did you want more rgb?

[dusty cedar]

ill try again later. i'm to tired right now to keep trying this.

[cyan ravine]

Hey it's all good. We're a little heavy handed here but we do it in the spirit of getting the best value for your buck, no hard feelings

It's tricky learning all this stuff, I'm still learning after years of it

So like I or the others have prattled off a lot but we mean well in us seeing like 5, 10, 20% more performance able to be grabbed here and there

[dusty cedar]

its not really about rgb but it would be boring to have just a dark case with a glass side panel. so i was thinking white and black theme with some lighting. i just dont want it to be boring to look at since i'll be putting it somewhere the kids cant get to it and it'll always be eye level. but i'm not about to go to a big box store and spend 4 to 5k for the same thing i'm trying to accomplish

[cyan ravine]

Yeah and you're right

Like totally agree

If you stay put for 5 more minutes, I'll dosh out something, decked in rgb

[dusty cedar]

i went to a best buy for the laughs a few days ago and they want 3k for way less than the things i've picked out the lat 2 times i posted a build here for my first pc build ever.

[cyan ravine]

And you can tell me if you like it or not

[potent portal]

Worst buy more like

[dusty cedar]

it doesnt have to include the monitor. i can pick that out later. i'm stretching my budget to about 2k to 2200 max at this point

[dusty cedar]

facts

[dusty cedar]

i walked away so fast. they wanted 3 thousand for a pc with only a 20 series graphics card and i was like nah

all the pc shops around me is where people go to get ripped off because its all old retired people to stupid to understand they're getting ripped off

[cyan ravine]

@dusty cedar https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VGJ3Tn

How's this

And monitor is still there, you're still under 2K

Everything is covered in rgb

You tell me something you don't like and I'll find an alternative

Want a flashier gpu? Just say the word

[potent portal]

$4500 for last gen https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-predator-orion-7000-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i9-12900k-32gb-ddr5-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-1tb-ssd-2tb-hdd-black/6516390.p?skuId=6516390

[dusty cedar]

lol you found one with a name brand near you?

[cyan ravine]

Let's get a really flashy gpu in there onyx how's this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gmCRW4

[dusty cedar]

at mine they have computers made by "ibuypower" whatever that is

[cyan ravine]

At this point we're approaching maximum rgb lol

[potent portal]

Nah that's just their site, they ship to local stores from the warehouses

[cyan ravine]

Everything has it except the psu

Plus you got your white and black theme

We're a tiny bit over your original budget, 5% but still in it with a monitor

[dusty cedar]

lol. looks neat but i wont be able to see the lights. i want it to have some color but not go into levels of ridiculousness lmao

[cyan ravine]

You can see the lights

[potent portal]

Oh here's a good one. $4300 for 10th gen https://www.bestbuy.com/site/clx-set-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i9-10980xe-64gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-6tb-hdd-1tb-nvme-ssd-black/6437379.p?skuId=6437379

[cyan ravine]

The glass panel on the focus 2 is clear

Did you want a different case?

We can get one that's not as tinted and more rgb

[dusty cedar]

nah i dont want it to be a spectacl hahaa

[vague oracle]

You want funny price? Look into overkillPCs

[cyan ravine]

Alr so we can dial it back a little then

Brb 5 minutes

Oh wait, I know what you mean by see the parts

It finally clicked

You want an o11

How's this @dusty cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nBv96r

we can get it back almost under budget by going to the 13600k

it'll still game the same just have a little less music production grunt

[dusty cedar]

i think the tower is going to be a bit to big for my shelf

[cyan ravine]

hmmm

[vague oracle]

O11 mini?

[cyan ravine]

can't find that one

also the footprint is basically the same

[vague oracle]

Hyte Y60?

I think that’s a bit smaller

[cyan ravine]

OOOO Y40

you genius

genie yus

[vague oracle]

There’s a Y40 now?

Damn I missed that release

[cyan ravine]

ye

it's better

think h510 but done right

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/prcDW4

@dusty cedar how about this

[dusty cedar]

question. with the build that i made on that list, what was wrong with it or could have been improved or changed? was it just the cpu or what? not sayin anything is wrong with what youve selected. im just wondering.

[cyan ravine]

so the tower cooler you picked for the cpu would have basically left the cpu overheating

the cpu you picked is slower than the 13600k in every way

the edge board, it's spending a ton on a board for basically no real benefit? it looks nice but it won't really give you anything

the ram there's an actual benefit to

if you want that ram, we can accommodate it

but I wouldn't do so at the point of losing other stuff already in your budget like the 4070ti

or the 13th gen cpu's

it's quite the cut down

[dusty cedar]

so if i just changed the cpu for a better one and changed how its cooled it'll be good for what i want it for?

[cyan ravine]

the monitor, 240hz is nice but you'll use maybe 60% of the gpu at 1080p

[celest horizon]

@desert sigil Nice setup, saw the post on the asus diy group. What you got in that rack to your right?

Using the asus router as a wap?

[cyan ravine]

so you'll be paying for a gpu but not using almost half of it

[dusty cedar]

nah just wirseless gaming. even though wired is better. my house just isn't setup to have tons of cables running around eveywhere

[cyan ravine]

change cooler, change monitor, change cpu, change board, then it'll come out at a reasonable value

you should also source from not just newegg btw

use every source you can for the best price

I'm very impartial about this, cos you can buy from something like amazon and get the exact same item

and just pay less

[desert sigil]

I have a lot in the rack.

Raspberry Pi as a small webserver.
10Gbe Switch for 10Gbe networking between my gaming PC and NAS/RTMP server. Fast file transfers are amazing.
Some keystone jacks for clean networking.
XEON based RTMP/NAS server
UPS 900W

[cyan ravine]

Also @dusty cedar the 980 pro's have been failing almost out of the box lately due to their new firmware and samsung won't replace it...I'd avoid those ssd's

[desert sigil]

The Asus Router is connected to the modem in my living room. Its not used as WAP but is the main router in my house. I plan on adding some Wifi6E WAPs in the house tho.

[dusty cedar]

what about this one?

https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-z790-a-wifi/p/N82E16813119601

[cyan ravine]

300 is steeeep

you can get a much higher end board for the same price

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m9Fbt6/asrock-z690-steel-legend-wifi-6e-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-steel-legend-wifi-6e

[cyan ravine]

yeah that one would be good

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mPt9TW/asrock-z790-pro-rs-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-pro-rs-wifi

[cyan ravine]

that one too

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YrRmsL @dusty cedar how's this

sorry fixed it with a better power supply

[dusty cedar]

that looks similar to what i had. i was just looking into water cooling because every link everyone gave me had it on there

[turbid skiff]

are there any fan coolers that supply adequate cooling for an i5 13600kf?

Im a bit apposed to buying water cooling'

[cursive wharf]

AG620/AK620

[strong raft]

also thermalright FS140/FC140 depending on current pricing.

[turbid skiff]

Is Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-5200 Ram any good

I dont really know what to look for in ddr5 ram

[old merlin]

From the stats I wouldn't buy low tier DDR5. 6000 seems to be the sweet spot.

Some stats 5200 is slower than DDR4 3600

[turbid skiff]

I updated it a bit https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mega0of/saved/HWbh99

other people please check for any improvements or mistakes I may have made 🙏

[potent portal]

It's private

[turbid skiff]

hold up

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BRhzDq

[potent portal]

You don't need to buy windows and if you really want a key you can find them for $25 easily

Use that savings on more RAM

[turbid skiff]

alr thanks I didnt know that

[potent portal]

We're getting to a point where 16gb isn't enough and 32gb will be the norm for a while

This would be a much better kit https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cnbTwP/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-fx5

Double capacity and lower latency

[turbid skiff]

ok I added that 👍

[old merlin]

Heh I went with a DDR4 system. Everybody is telling me not to do 64 gbs of ram when I am seeing 74% memory usage just with explorer up. 🙂

I mean Edge

[potent portal]

Is that used or reserved?

[potent portal]

19 edge processes, no wonder

[old merlin]

I browse a lot 🙂

[potent portal]

It's based on chromium after all

https://tenor.com/view/chrome-ram-memory-storage-task-manager-gif-17370173

[old merlin]

I got the Gigabyte Gaming X coming with 64gb of DDR4 3600

Gonna be done with this build

Tired of tip toeing around

[potent portal]

Zen 3 processor?

[old merlin]

I got an i5 13600k

[cyan ravine]

Hey man sorry I had to race off but if you want water cooling grab this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q86p99/deepcool-ls720-wh-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-r-ls720-whamnt-g-1

[potent portal]

Ah, good you have the K at least since if it was a non K you'd be limited to 3466 without a huge penalty

[cyan ravine]

LS720 equal best for water

[old merlin]

I got that chip for $250

that was the start of the madness 😛

[potent portal]

Best liquid cooler for LGA1700 no cap

[old merlin]

Newegg deal today is pretty sweet though.

The 7700x deal

Motherboard, ram CPU

[potent portal]

What's the CL rating on that memory kit?
If it's 18 don't even bother, it'll kill your performance

[old merlin]

It was 18.....

[potent portal]

Oof

[cyan ravine]

18 will run

[potent portal]

That cuts performance by about 10% though

[cyan ravine]

Wat

[potent portal]

Seriously

[old merlin]

I wonder if the gskill can OC any

[cyan ravine]

Which gskills

It'll oc but the heatsink will affect the result

[old merlin]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374003?Item=N82E16820374003

[cyan ravine]

Those are fine

Hynix 16gbit

Only 1.35V they would probably be running gear 1

[dusty cedar]

all good. im trying to find the link to that i7 cpu everyone was suggesting

[cyan ravine]

13700k

You can click the links in the list I sent

Where is says newegg, amazon etc

Click those and it'll take you right there

[cyan ravine]

You can check in hwinfo64 to see what gear the ram is in

Or even bios might show it

[old merlin]

I will test them when they show up, I just bought them a little while ago.

[dusty cedar]

this is the one right?

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700k-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118414?quicklink=true

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[old merlin]

I gotta drill some holes in my case before my stuff shows up.

half of the holes don't line up because the fan shrouds are bigger for my radiator

[cyan ravine]

Start on a blank windows install and try a few memory tests if it doesn't automatically go gear 1

Might take a few hours to test for stable

[cyan ravine]

Testmem5 with the anta777 config for 3 passes is good

[strong raft]

Did you notice edge was only using 1.3GB of ram. -- also move that top fan. like that would sort of just instantly suck out intake

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[old merlin]

Yeah why does it steal that much ram?

[cyan ravine]

I see rm850x

Nice psu

[strong raft]

Older 1 still is a goodie. Sub, 1.3GB is far from a lot. 32GB is plenty

[potent portal]

I'm bringing receipts

[old merlin]

Why does it say 75% usage?

[potent portal]

That's with 3600 c16 even, c18 would be worse

[strong raft]

sub, go here

[potent portal]

Is your memory supposed to be at 2933

[old merlin]

Yeah this isn't a K

I am on a 10700f right now

Using a lower tier Mobo

[potent portal]

B460 I'm guessing

[old merlin]

yeah

[potent portal]

B560 would let you OC it

[old merlin]

ok so memory

Why am I using so much

I can still cancel my order

[potent portal]

You can use rammap to pin down what's using what

It's an official Windows tool https://download.sysinternals.com/files/RAMMap.zip

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/ask-the-performance-team/introduction-to-the-new-sysinternals-tool-rammap/ba-p/374717

[potent portal]

Processes tab

That's saying 16gb is unused currently btw

[potent portal]

15 of those are edge 💀

AVG is using a lot too

If you're using the free version you're better off getting rid of it and using Windows Defender

[cyan ravine]

Uhh, 2%?

[potent portal]

If you're talking about vs 5200 then yeah 5200 just sucks

[cyan ravine]

Nah 3200 vs 3600

Also tomb raider is very cache dependent it wouldn't be a universal reflection

That's why overclockers use it for ram

[potent portal]

I can put up the video so you can see all the tests hang on

[old merlin]

Amazon hasn't shipped my motherboard and Newegg hasn't shipped my memory yet gah.

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/vsKTg5zy8NI

[old merlin]

I have been torn this whole time on crap 🙂

[strong raft]

13 FF processes for me, and here's an example of mine sorted by largest. w/ multi picsin 1 msg, discord should just show the full thing instead of the funny partial zoom.

[potent portal]

R6S doesn't care about memory, we knew that, FH5 cares A LOT, FS2020 a moderate amount,

[strong raft]

I would add that 13600K is "held back" by ddr4 a decent amount vs good ddr5 (6000+)

[cyan ravine]

THOSE GRAPHS ARE SO CONFUSING

STOP SHUFFLIN THE RAMS AROUND

REEEEEEEE

[potent portal]

They're sorted by results lol

[cyan ravine]

One point the 5600 is next to 2133

Next 3200 is there

Then 4800

PICK A LANE REEE

[potent portal]

Well it is set to 5600c36 so not exactly good

Basically jedec at that point

[cyan ravine]

I agree 3200 versus like, 5600 or 6000 you'd be looking at probably 15%

But versus 3600? That's historically like a couple percent at best

[potent portal]

6000 is pretty much the sweet spot, doesn't cost a lot more than 5600

[cyan ravine]

Similarly a full ram tune would be another 10%+ on top of 6000+

I mean 6000 would be safe for ddr5 non K

[potent portal]

Oh yeah turn a few terts down and you'll almost get that in one go

[cyan ravine]

Going higher you kind of want the granularity of all your voltages in play

SA the difference between .01V can mean no post or full stable on ddr5

[old merlin]

I canceled the 64 order while I contemplate more...

[cyan ravine]

LOL

[old merlin]

You bastards 😛

[cyan ravine]

You definitely have a use for 64gb

[old merlin]

Oops

[cyan ravine]

I would call it safe at 3200 tho not 3600

[potent portal]

If you're gaming with all those edge windows open it could be a problem but if you have even half of them closed you're good tbh

[old merlin]

I like having youtube up while playing fortnite

[cyan ravine]

Is this just for gaming discord and youtube?

[old merlin]

discord, youtube, my 20 launchers

[potent portal]

For 13th non-K? Yeah best you'll get reliably in gear 1 is 3466

[old merlin]

😛

[cyan ravine]

20 launchers?

[old merlin]

epic, Origin, Steam... etc

[cyan ravine]

Oh those, meh

Maybe not all of them open on startup lol

But I keep stuff like steam and epic floating around on my laptop

[potent portal]

Razer can be a resource hog sometimes too

[cyan ravine]

Yeah razer

Icue

[old merlin]

My mouse won't be blue without razer 😛

[cyan ravine]

Armoury crate

[potent portal]

Shoulda gone Logitech with onboard profiles 😛

[cyan ravine]

Debloating your windows down to a more all-in-one solution might be the better answer here

Razer has onboard profiles

Literally using them every day without synapse while benchin

[old merlin]

I have a deathadder v2

[cyan ravine]

Nice, I still have one of those

Very comfortable

[old merlin]

I bought 3 because of clearances all over the place.

They were between 20-25 a piece

[cyan ravine]

Maybe have a look into a more lite windows experience

You can definitely do gaming and youtube with 32gb

[potent portal]

I have 2 logitech mice because I played so many MMOs my left click started double clicking in a year🙃

Yay warranty

[cyan ravine]

Rip

Razer's opticals don't really do that

[old merlin]

Know one thing weird mine was doing with the wheel and somebody suggested tipping it upside down then running the wheel back and forth

[cyan ravine]

They have a tendency to last a couple years

[old merlin]

fixed it

[potent portal]

Yeah that's really the biggest weakness of logi imo

[cyan ravine]

My razer mech did start doing that after 2 years tho

That was an amazing mouse

Mamba hyperflux

No wires, no battery, just a pad that charged it

[potent portal]

Ooh those are actually nice

[cyan ravine]

Truly wireless and perpetually

[frigid night]

Razer Naga Pro v2 ftw xD

the only mouse I'll need for years

[potent portal]

Wireless latency is almost as good as wired these days too

[cyan ravine]

Yeah if I get the balls one day to open it up to fix the switches up I may even go back to it

[old merlin]

ok whatcha think about this one

[cyan ravine]

It's really nice to just...never think about it again

[old merlin]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z790-EZ-Latch-Multi-Key-Motherboard/dp/B0BHTMXMRQ/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=CejdW&content-id=amzn1.sym.bc5f3394-3b4c-4031-8ac0-18107ac75816&pf_rd_p=bc5f3394-3b4c-4031-8ac0-18107ac75816&pf_rd_r=MM3HGGKESFXPJV7Y9YRQ&pd_rd_wg=WSJ2O&pd_rd_r=89a2f4d7-a538-49d7-971c-be5dd431bbdd&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m&th=1

[cyan ravine]

That's a good board if it's 200-ish

[potent portal]

Good budget board

[old merlin]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z790-EZ-Latch-Multi-Key-Motherboard/dp/B09J5TC4F8/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=CejdW&content-id=amzn1.sym.bc5f3394-3b4c-4031-8ac0-18107ac75816&pf_rd_p=bc5f3394-3b4c-4031-8ac0-18107ac75816&pf_rd_r=MM3HGGKESFXPJV7Y9YRQ&pd_rd_wg=WSJ2O&pd_rd_r=89a2f4d7-a538-49d7-971c-be5dd431bbdd&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m&th=1

[potent portal]

Handles a 13700k with no throttling whatsoever, only minor with a 13900k

[strong raft]

wireless is even better on certain mice, it's pretty neat. Perhaps not latency itself but something related to overall response time, I forget.

[old merlin]

That is the DDR4 one I currently have ordered

But hasn't shipped

[potent portal]

Gaming X is decent too

[old merlin]

I think the type Cs are 20gb on both boards

[potent portal]

UD is 20 but X is 10

[cyan ravine]

10 still fine for vr

[strong raft]

Personally either way I prefer 700 series if going 13th gen. at the very least makes an instant bios update less of a need.

[cyan ravine]

Quest 2 had no problems on 10

[potent portal]

WAIT no my bad it's 2x2 not 2x1 so it is 20

[old merlin]

Yeah but I wouldn't mind external NVMEs

[potent portal]

eGPU for your desktop

[old merlin]

Why are some of the USB 3.2s red

[potent portal]

The red ones are 10Gb

[old merlin]

What are the blue ones?

[cyan ravine]

10Gb but blue

[potent portal]

5

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 5 lol

[old merlin]

ugh

[cyan ravine]

Hey man that's a pretty full io

You won't really get much better on this platform

[old merlin]

I like the Gaming X more, but it is DDR4 and I don't care about the wireless on the DDR5, the DDR4 has one more 10gb port though. 🙂

Consfusion, brain hurt, conflict.

[potent portal]

Stupid USB naming, USB 3.2 Gen 2 is half the speed of USB 3.2 Gen 2x2

No average person would know that and that is totally intentional, you cannot convince me otherwise

[old merlin]

So the DDR5 basically has a 20gb port in the C and one 10gb port being red.

[potent portal]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

Wait until you hear about usb 4

[potent portal]

They scrapped the confusing name on that one iirc

[old merlin]

I guess you could get 1 more 20gb c if you use the front plug

It has a port on the board

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[cursive wharf]

They did not

[potent portal]

Double check the header spec actually supports 20 first 😅

[old merlin]

Bastards!....

[cursive wharf]

iirc bit less confusing, but still not really much better with the two announced revisions (20Gb and 40Gb? cant remember).

[old merlin]

I don't need the digital port, I have my audio via the HDMI

[cyan ravine]

Inb4 the confusing standards meme

[potent portal]

Spoiler: it doesn't, I checked the manual

[potent portal]

Yeah they're supposed to put a label on each port or set of ports with the speed rating at least

And another icon if it supports DP

[old merlin]

heh I am looking at 32gb 6000

3 different ones

have 3 different numbers have a different sub timing on the end

[potent portal]

Lower timings are better in general at the same speed (but not always)

[cyan ravine]

You want mismatches subtimings

Mismatched > hynix, the good stuff

[old merlin]

38-38-38-78 oooh interesting

36-36-36-76

[potent portal]

Sammy dies

[cyan ravine]

Both samsung

Dems not hot

36 40 40 96? Ooooo

[old merlin]

36-36-36-96

[potent portal]

It's fine enough for XMP at least but OC potential is weak AF

[cyan ravine]

Nah samsung

Don't get samsung

[stoic island]

I mean if you just want xmp perf samsung is fine

[old merlin]

How do I know which is wich

[cyan ravine]

No point in that tho

Why pay the same price for sticks with less capability

[old merlin]

this is gskill, corsair and teamgroup

[potent portal]

Straight timings are usually samsung, so all the same primary like 36-36-36-36

[old merlin]

all within $10 of each other

[stoic island]

For performance at xmp instead of messing with it

[cyan ravine]

All hynix does 7000+ tho

You'd get more mileage

[stoic island]

if you don't have heat issues

[cyan ravine]

Yeah and that's not impossible to do

[stoic island]

It's just annoying tuning that not everyone wants to do

[potent portal]

Samsung is fine if you plan to replace it later before you do anything higher than what it's rated at

[cyan ravine]

Sure but for two sets at the same frequency and price I'd pick a hynix set

[stoic island]

Of course

[cyan ravine]

And there's no excuse for that because hynix is the cheapest ddr5 kit

[potent portal]

But if you could put in the time yes you can get a lot more out of a hynix die just by copying numbers

[stoic island]

guaranteed hynix tends to be more expensive

[cyan ravine]

Generally is

But not all the time

[stoic island]

So imo it's fine if you just buy whatever 6000 kit is cheapest and not worry about die if you don't want to mess with it

[old merlin]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374369?Description=ddr 6000 3tgb&cm_re=ddr_6000 3tgb-_-20-374-369-_-Product

This one is CAS30

[potent portal]

Ooh 30-40-40-96

Good stuff

[old merlin]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb/p/N82E16820374430?Description=ddr 6000 3tgb&cm_re=ddr_6000 3tgb-_-20-374-430-_-Product&quicklink=true

[potent portal]

That one is straight 36 so samsung

[cyan ravine]

Yeah first is hynix second samsung

This is hynix
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

Could set 6000 out of the box and would likely run 0 problems

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cnbTwP/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-fx5

Hynix

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GT2WGX/gskill-trident-z5-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl30-memory-f5-5600j3036d16gx2-tz5n same story 6000 set

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YcZ9TW/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239g16gx2-rs5k has a good chance of A die

These are nice $129 for low voltage hynix
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HMjBD3/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl30-memory-f5-5600j3036d16gx2-fx5

Good heatspreaders on the trident/flares

Better than the tridents at least

[old merlin]

Heh all of these are within like $20 of each other

[cyan ravine]

Here's the cheapest known hynix kit, only 1$ more than the cheapest ddr5
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zq2WGX/patriot-signature-line-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-4800-cl40-memory-psd532g4800k

You could set any of the above xmp profiles onto this and it would just run

That's the idea at least

[old merlin]

Of the 6000 or 6400 which would be the best.

[cyan ravine]

I mean 6400 is obviously better but really pick your poison

[potent portal]

6000 would just work, 6400 has a chance you need to adjust a couple voltages

[cyan ravine]

They're all within a couple %

[old merlin]

There is a 6400 that is cas 32 and a 6000 that is cas 30

[cyan ravine]

Cas is irrelevant on ddr5

There are like 30 other timings and then hundreds of sub timings below that that run faster or slower on each kit

What matters is both are hynix, which run the best at this time on ddr5

[old merlin]

Timing 32-39-39-102

on the 6400

[cyan ravine]

Ye, good chance it could be A die

[old merlin]

Timing 30-40-40-96 on the 6000

[cyan ravine]

A die can oc to well over 7000 on a decent gigabyte

[old merlin]

both same price

[cyan ravine]

Heck that 6000 kit also has a decent chance of A die

I've seen it pop up as a die before

[old merlin]

Sounds like 6400 should be the one I should go with.

[cyan ravine]

If you want go for it really

[old merlin]

hehe

[cyan ravine]

As fal said, might need a little adjusting cos it's a gigabyte board but should work

[old merlin]

Wonder which one would have better resell value 🙂

[cyan ravine]

The tridents

[old merlin]

Yes I am now contemplating everything

the trident was like 5600

[cyan ravine]

The tridents are worse heatsinks

But everyone likes tridents

Cos ooo shiny

[old merlin]

oh meh

[cyan ravine]

Yeah tbh

Ripjaws and flare x are good, I've had a decent experience so far with them

They're also super low profile

Very useful if you want to go small form factor

[old merlin]

Another thing to think about is which would be cheaper to match when prices go down if I DID want to go to 64

[potent portal]

4 sticks doesn't work well on Intel right now

[old merlin]

🙃

[potent portal]

On Z690 it was practically unusable with 4 sticks, Z790 is a little better but it's hard to get more than 5600 to run

[cyan ravine]

2x32 on ddr5 or just don't

AMD will do 4 sticks but it's a task

[old merlin]

They have glowey Trident Z5 6400 for $165

[cyan ravine]

More oooo more shiny for more money

Lol

[old merlin]

$17 for Shiney

[cyan ravine]

At that point you can get 64gb ddr4 for the same price

We sorta leave the realm of sanity past 150

[old merlin]

Yeah I was wanting that 64...... Frame rate hits stalled me

[cyan ravine]

This

[cyan ravine]

Or this

I would do

[cyan ravine]

Or this

[cyan ravine]

If it was for myself I'd do this

Would have it running 6800+ in no time

[old merlin]

Doesn't even have a heat spreader 😛

[potent portal]

Doesn't really need one if you do it right

[cyan ravine]

Fan for that sorta tune you can get away with on naked sticks

Would take a lot of patience tho

[old merlin]

I don't wanna tweak at this point.

[cyan ravine]

That's fine

[old merlin]

I will play with ocing the CPU

[cyan ravine]

I'm saying myself

Not u lol

[old merlin]

ok bought the 6400

[cyan ravine]

The 32gb one?

[old merlin]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Sweet

[old merlin]

According to somebody on Amazon they got Hynix A

https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-RipJaws-288-Pin-CL32-39-39-102-F5-6400J3239G16GX2-RS5K/dp/B0BNYWFC91#customerReviews

[cyan ravine]

That would be really cool if you landed it

[old merlin]

I got it on Newegg, was $2 cheaper

and I already had a $40 Gift card on there

[cyan ravine]

[old merlin]

Now to the motherboard

I could save $15 off that if I got the DDR5 gigabyte. So far comparing the two no digital audio, 2 less 10gb USBs...

[obsidian wigeon]

I mean on board audio always suck anyway

dac+amp will only improve it

[old merlin]

I always run through my video card HDMI anyway. So there is that

Canceled the Gaming X I have $128 back in my amazon account.

Oh hell who cares about the Wifi Bluetooth is built in. 🙂

[potent portal]

Bluetooth is very nice

I use an old router to connect through wifi anyway, much better signal

[old merlin]

This one has Wifi

I am just saying I won't use it

but the BT I will

[potent portal]

Oh yeah me too

[old merlin]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z790-EZ-Latch-Multi-Key-Motherboard/dp/B0BHTMXMRQ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=72OSFTBJWWAO&keywords=z790&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&qid=1677571957&refinements=p_6%3AATVPDKIKX0DER&rnid=303116011&s=electronics&sprefix=z790%2Celectronics%2C104&sr=1-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840&th=1

Ok any complaints on that one?

Looks like it has good VRMs and heatsinks

[potent portal]

Yep 16 phase and decent sinks

[old merlin]

Hardware Unboxed seemed to think all of the gigabyte ones in the z690 range temped about the same, figure the z790s will be the same since they look almost the same.

[potent portal]

Gigabyte boards also have a tendency to set DDR5 subtimings better I've seen

Yeah Z790 is barely different

[toxic jolt]

Are these GPU any good for fiveM
https://www.newegg.com/p/27N-0074-00007?Item=9SIB601H8T4017

[old merlin]

Never heard of it, but I do know I got a used 2060 for about $130

You can probably do better for not much more

I had an RX580 it is pretty long in the tooth when I sold it during the pandemic

[toxic jolt]

Yeah I just don't know I bought a brand new pc with a bad GPU in it its not even a gig

[old merlin]

What would you be comfortable spending?

[toxic jolt]

$125 is my highest

[old merlin]

Even an old GTX 1070 is speedier

[obsidian wigeon]

580 for 100 is neh

you can do 1070

maybe 1080 if lucky

[old merlin]

checking ebay 🙂

First one I see is $125

Somebody has a 1080 for $140+ $16.30

Cheapest 2060 is $188

I am only mentioning ones that look semi legit

[obsidian wigeon]

can always check r/hardwareswap

[old merlin]

Anyway I would go 1070 over RX580

personal experience

[obsidian wigeon]

580 is a lot slower anyway lol

[old merlin]

yep

[obsidian wigeon]

around 1060 6 gigs

[old merlin]

Yep I was in that market at the time

580 had better pricing and 2 gigs more vram at the time

They threw in 2 games I actually wanted too

[potent portal]

Mannajue... was that one of the brands caught reselling used stuff as new

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

Buying from chinese sellers on newegg is always a red flag

It's not as good as aliexpress in terms of buyer protection

[old merlin]

I am now down to getting my PSU and I am done.

no rush on that though I got an 850 I can use temp

I actually like my Corsair 850, but I am making a PC out of my old stuff.

So I am gonna need 2

[dusty cedar]

@cyan ravine you mentioned that there were better boards for the price of the one that i picked out previously. which board would that be?

[cyan ravine]

It's in the link here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGfbMb

[old merlin]

I would go for a key site windows key.

I know we got off on the whole DDR5 thing earlier, one thing I was wondering. If I mount my radiator fans in that top compartment and mount the radiator itself below pulling air up and out that should work fine shouldn't it? Never used a water cooler before and got a deal on this one.

[cyan ravine]

It'll work yeah

[old merlin]

the fans are kinda big for putting them below.

[cyan ravine]

It kinda looks made for the rad if I'm seeing it right

[old merlin]

If you put the rad in the top the fans block the wire hole

[cyan ravine]

Wire hole?

[old merlin]

See the back side there that is wide

the opening

[cyan ravine]

You mean the circle not circle

[old merlin]

the circle that had a square base

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[old merlin]

If you put the rad in the top the fan is misaligned because I guess it is bigger than the thing was designed for.

[cyan ravine]

Ah

Ok fair

[old merlin]

But the fans fit perfectly up there

I just have to drill new holes for the 2nd fan

because they are slightly off

screw holes

[cyan ravine]

If you drilled holes would the rad fit up top then?

Lol

[old merlin]

The fans don't line up over the holes then

[cyan ravine]

Hm ok

Oh is this like a 140mm fan

[old merlin]

Everything fits when you do a pull system though

The rad actually fits up there, but I would have to cut out the side that has the wire hole near the front

to hang the wires down

water pipes rather

[cyan ravine]

Oh the pipes

Ohhh ok yeah lol

[old merlin]

yeah the pipes are the problem, sorry

[cyan ravine]

Every time you said wires I was confused XD

Like what rad has wires lololol

[old merlin]

It looks like it was designed for the rad to be on top and the pipes to hang down in the back.

But this one won't fit that way

fans are too big

[cyan ravine]

Ye, ah ok

[old merlin]

so if I can mount it under

and have the top blow out

I should be fine

[cyan ravine]

Well little tip when you do this

Take everything else out first

Then use a shop vac or take it outside and get all the metal dust out

Just not wise to have that dust around electronics, you might know this already, though

[old merlin]

Yeah I planned on actually putting something in to catch anything that falls down then go blow it out with an air compressor

[cyan ravine]

Gets into pins and slots and causes all sort of trouble

Yea that helps like an envelope? It won't be perfect tho

[old merlin]

Maybe a walmart bag and tape it inside

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Just be thorough whichever way you do

It can be especially lethal to a psu

[old merlin]

Heh I know I will clean it well.

[cyan ravine]

I'm like a father figure in here sometimes lol

[old merlin]

I have been doing this a long time, I just always used air coolers.

There was a deal for one that was $69 and a $40 mail in rebate, thought why not.

[mossy venture]

dad?

[old merlin]

Dad is Pepe?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah we never know tho, we've had some crazy incidents before where you'd figure common sense was there

So I'm always compelled to say it just to be sure lol

[old merlin]

That is an interesting worst case scenario though. Your PSU sucking up metal dust and OH CRAP

[cyan ravine]

Ya cos live parts and bridging

Shorts and POP

[old merlin]

I used to work IT and I had an office in this one building. The place had bought some real junk ass PCs a manager bought before I was fooling with them. They used some of those nice rosewill PSUs that come with the cases. Good quality stuff.....

I saw the light in my office dim for a secong

second. Guy comes in my office. "MY COMPUTER EXPLODED"

[cyan ravine]

LMFAO

[old merlin]

I go look and there is f'ing char marks on the PSU

[cyan ravine]

I can imagine ANYONE'S face in this exact moment

[old merlin]

There was another one of those pieces of crap in a display kiosk there

rats took a dump in there

[cyan ravine]

LOL

[old merlin]

and it exploded too

[cyan ravine]

Did you find the rat

[old merlin]

no

[cyan ravine]

[old merlin]

I figure it wasn't the crap it was just the cheap garbage PSU

[cyan ravine]

Could very well have been the psu

[old merlin]

Yeah he built crap as cheap as he could, probably charged 3x their worth too

[cyan ravine]

Ah old prebuilts

Nasty stuff lol

They're back to nasty again even nowadays

[old merlin]

I probably need to get rid of something, I have too many things. I have a good laptop, with a 3060 in it. I have a steam deck. I am building this PC so I am gonna have a 10700f PC with a 2060 in it extra.

Probably need to sell the Steam Deck....

Got too many toys

That logitech thing that streams would actually be a better option for me than the steam deck because it is lighter with a bigger battery.

the price is stupid though

[cyan ravine]

I'd take a cheap stream deck

They don't sell them here via steam sadly

[old merlin]

heh I am not selling it cheap

I put a 512gb ssd in it

Two problems I have with Steam Deck

#1 my intermediate vision is garbage

I can see far away with glasses, I can read up close. A 7" screen at semi arms length.....

#2 with the controls up high it actually feels heavy because I am not gripping it below

so all of the weight feels like it is in my thumbs and index fingers

[cyan ravine]

So it wears the hands out?

[old merlin]

It might be just me, if you have your arms propped up on something or you are using your knees sitting down it is fine

If the controls were a more traditional layout I think I would have a much better grip

[cyan ravine]

No I think I get where you're coming from

The weight makes it unnatural

[old merlin]

With an xbox controller the right stick is low

so you are grabbing the controller low

With this the sticks are at the top

so you have a lot of weight below your grip

[cyan ravine]

[old merlin]

The Playstation gamepad just causes carpel tunnel because the sticks are in the middle. 🙂

[cyan ravine]

Bit like the difference of carrying something from the bottom versus the top, I get that

[old merlin]

I was trying to find something dirty in that.

[empty pollen]

dont

[old merlin]

My little gears were turning.

[cursive wharf]

Some Rosewills arent firestarters, but almost all are never worth the money.

[keen iris]

Just a question for everyone what’s the difference between ddr5 and 4

[dusty cedar]

what type of cooler is best for this?

Intel Core i5-13600K - Core i5 13th Gen

[elfin flame]

Probably these

Air: deepcool ak620 or thermalright peerless assassin
Water: deepcool LS520 or arctic freezer ii 240mm/280mm (if you can get bstock price for like $50-$60 on their eBay store)

[fossil cedar]

https://youtu.be/aJEq7H4Wf6U

Imo if going 240mm just get an ak620 or ag620 and if going water just go 280mm/360mm

[dusty cedar]

on that part picker website yall use. how come i cant find any ddr5 on it listed?

[obsidian wigeon]

browse without any builds saved

[stoic island]

You probably have a ddr4 board selected

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

That, or a cpu that only uses d4

[dusty cedar]

probably a dumb question but idk anything about liquid cooling. you still need thermal paste on the cpu right?

[dusty cedar]

is this any good? if anyone knows

https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-01JK-000B0

[fossil cedar]

just use the stuff that comes with your cooler

[dusty cedar]

ok so, i took everything into consideration that everyone was telling me last night and spent all morning comin up with this.

is this a good setup? i'm only 100 bucks over budget and thats manageable for me. i'm not broke but i don't wanna spend everything i have on a pc either.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nVMhH2

pc is going to be used for gaming and music production. in that order.

[weary galleon]

$109 seems a little steep for a 240mm aio

The pump block does look cool though

Also you can get a windows key for cheaper or just not activate it and then be at/under budget

[dusty cedar]

the price difference between that pc wesite and all from newegg is a 5 dollar difference. i'm not stressin over 5 bucks

[frigid night]

Got another $30? Could go for the LT720

As Stevie said, could ditch the expensive m$ key and get it for basically free (can dm me for an absolute free way) elsewhere.

[dusty cedar]

i selected the cooler i have on there based on the radiator size suggested for the cpu i picked

[dusty cedar]

^

[frigid night]

All solid choices. I'm in the boat however of cooler is better xD

Just a suggestion of what I'd do. The one you picked already is sufficient.

[weary galleon]

240mm aios are often similar to air coolers, I'd reccomend getting a 280 or 360

[dusty cedar]

im in the boat of i can afford an i9 with a 4090 and all the bells and whistles but dont wanna spend all of my money because i have kids

[weary galleon]

Or just a nice air cooler

[dusty cedar]

tryin to get the most bang for my buck at an afforable price i wont get anywhere else at a reasonable price

[weary galleon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354449321369?epid=21058498666&hash=item5286d36d99:g:54gAAOSwVFtjGt3W

[frigid night]

Will that even fit into the case he has picked out?

I was just lookin at that on ebay xD

[weary galleon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354516544845?

[weary galleon]

Not sure. 280mm should though

[frigid night]

This one though yeah. I'd go for this over that deep cool 240

[dusty cedar]

case specs says it can only fit a 360mm radiator on the front or top

[weary galleon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354516559098

I'd go for one of the 280s

[frigid night]

#SideOfNoctuaFans

[weary galleon]

Arctic fans pretty damn good for the price tho

[frigid night]

For sure.

[dusty cedar]

ok so before i was about to check out the hard drive i wanted magically sold out. if i got this would i be able to take the heat sink off of it since it has an led light on it and i dont need the heatsink?

https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-2tb-black-sn850x-nvme/p/N82E16820250246

[fossil cedar]

id do this (would just leave windows not inactivated or buy a key from a keysite tbh https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gk696r

[dusty cedar]

i'm set on an nvidia card. thats not something i'm going to budge on. i think i'm going to go with what i have in my cart at this point. i was just wanting to know if what i had selected would give me the best performance for games and being able to create music. i wanted to stay away from the whole i5 thing originally because thats what i already have in my laptop and my laptop isnt up to the task of producing music but everyone here kept saying to go with the i5

[fossil cedar]

id deff swap the ram tho, way faster for like the same price, motherboard is also gonna be better with that faster ram instead of a z690

[dusty cedar]

the cpu specs says it can only handle the ddr5 5600 right? on the specs list anyways. isnt that it's limit?

Memory Types DDR4 3200 / DDR5 5600

[fossil cedar]

Nope those listed memory speeds are always just the lowest speed it has to be able to do before it's considered faulty

[dusty cedar]

oh

[fossil cedar]

It's a bit confusing tbf

[dusty cedar]

im mostly only seeing 5600 though

[dusty cedar]

is this a good deal?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4534043

[fossil cedar]

Nah, you can do 200$ motherboard and that cpu which is like 430$ seperate tho and save money

[raw yacht]

Did 7950x3d sell out or never was in stock?

[cedar shell]

I saw it in stock earlier today on Newegg when I was thinking about getting the 7900x3d. I have decided to wait for the 7800x3d

I don't know why AMD only put the extra L3 cache on one of the chips and not both

[stoic island]

It's really expensive, worse thermals, lower boost frequency, less power to the chiplet with the extra cache since the cache also takes power.

[dusty cedar]

is ddr4 better to go with over ddr5 at this point in time?

[desert gulch]

Depends what cpu

And budget and all that

With Intels 13th gen CPUs, they def can get a bit of extra oomph with the ddr5

[stoic island]

It basically boils down to what 50$ means in your budget

[desert gulch]

13600k + is where I'd be more likely to go ddr5

[dusty cedar]

Intel Core i9-13900K - Core i9 13th Gen Raptor Lake 24-Core (8P+16E)

[desert gulch]

Yeah def ddr5

If you can afford to be putting a 13900k in the list...

Whether or not that 13900k is good value is another question

[stoic island]

Yea, for most uses, it'll make more sense to devote more of the budget into something else, unless you're trying to spend like 3000+$

[cedar shell]

Those things I understand, but in my opinion, on their top of the line processor it would make sense to have those extra requirements for the added performance

[stoic island]

But it's not added performance, going from 13700k to 13900k for most games is what, a 1% difference for 200$ more

[dusty cedar]

im throwing my budget out the window came myself and my wife is tired of me spending over a week solid day in and day out researching and trying to put together a pc. i'm not broke or a penny pincher but i'm not looking to get ripped off completely either. i'm building something that will last for a very long time and will only need upgrades when they need them.

[stoic island]

Ballpark estimate, are you feeling like spending 1000$, 2000$, or 3000$?

[cedar shell]

Looking at current hardware prices I would say that $2500 would do what you want

[empty pollen]

if your wife is tired of you having a hobby then you have more serious issues than buying a pc

just saying

mine just laughed at how far i went in research for my rig... whole 10 months or so, just to get the best on my budget and a good shot on black friday

in fact she went the extra mile by gifting me a 4080 by xmas (which came on january btw) just because the 4090s were oos

[desert gulch]

Your PC cost may have been low but your search costs were super super high

[empty pollen]

when you think about it, is not about the goal, but the journey

had so much fun learning from you guys in these months 🙂

still remember when pato slapped me cause i had the weird idea to get a 5900x instead of a 12th gen xD

[desert gulch]

Pato based

[empty pollen]

totally

[cold imp]

so
i'm thinking about doing a pc for my little brother, but i'll be buying parts gradually up until Christmas

which parts should I buy in advance (because they won't be obsolete or something else)

i was gonna get like a case, psu, ssd first cause those stay pretty much the same

[empty pollen]

none

save up for black friday

[cold imp]

valid

[empty pollen]

then you buy the whole package

[cold imp]

alright

[empty pollen]

buying parts in advance will backfire you hard. By the time you have all the parts, the first parts you acquired will probably be a lot cheaper than when you bought them, and so on

also parts can sometimes come faulty, but you will not have a way to know it until you test them on your rig (which is due to xmas) so you will store a potentially faulty part for months (like the ssd as an example)

thats why is better to buy the whole package at once when you are ready. If not, then save and save until your zero hour (in your case xmas, so black friday should be your zero hour) 😛

[frigid night]

For real. 100% this. Yeah I've spent a whole lot on my pc, but what matters most to me is what I've learned from everyone here to have been able to put this together. When I look at my PC I get an overwhelming feeling of satisfaction and that comes a lot from what I have learned from wegg and it's occupants.

I'm still learning every day from everyone here.

[dusty cedar]

is a 240mm aio cpu cooler good for a Core i9-13900K?

[paper summit]

I mean it will work but I dont recommend it

Gaming will be fine just heavywork loads is another story lol

[dusty cedar]

heavy workloads such as?

[paper summit]

Rendering or benchmarks

Stuff like that

[dusty cedar]

im just tryin to play some video games and make some music. nothin special

[paper summit]

Yea it will be fine I recommend going with an ls720 tho

As it prob wont cost much more than a 240mm

What's your budget?

(For the cooler)

[dusty cedar]

i no longer have one at this point from all the negative feedback i've been getting here. im trying to keep it around 2500-ish i'm at 2400 and still need to find a case to go with the aesthetic im goin for and a cooler to match

[paper summit]

Mmm I see

Okay well than a 240mm wil suffice for now

[dusty cedar]

the other issue i seem to come across in reviews is that theres no mounting brackets for aio coolers for the lga1700 so idk what to do

this is what i've got so far

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C4KvJM

the price there is more expensive than what i have on newegg so idk what's up with that

[paper summit]

How much is that gpu on wegg

[dusty cedar]

579.99 before taxes

i get 20 dollars off on it if i buy it before the next 2 hours

thats not why

i just want an i9

pretty good reason to me to semi future proof my system so i'm not constantly dumping money into a pc

only upgrading in the future when i need to

[paper summit]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TRfQJM
If you really want the 13900k this is what I'd do but like I said in dms it's up to what makes you happy

There's other things you can change but

🤷‍♂️

[dusty cedar]

nah nah nah. i get it. the elitisim is outta control and yall forgot what its like to try and figure this out on your own gettin little to no help. i'm here cause newegg staff gave me the link cause they said theyre not allowed to help. so i'm here tryin to ask for help with my build that i originally posted and instead of bein told to change a couple things yall wanted to lauugh at me instead. its cool. i'm building myself a current gen system. am i cool yet? yall done nothing but frustrate me.

or yall tryin to change the whole entire thing. if i wanted a prebuilt id go to the store.

thats what it seems like to me, a new comer, so yes.

wait what. lol i was just told yesterday not to buy a 980 pro cause they got issues

i'm already saving a ton of money doin this myself. a store or a pc shop would try to sell me what i got in my cart now for more than double its price

as long as its i9 and has an rtx 4070ti with everything in white.

[cedar shell]

Shoot me a DM with what build you are looking at, I'm new to the wegg chat but have a lot of experience building and pricing out PCs for people.

[dusty cedar]

gotta make it again i closed the wrong tab. give me a min with what i have right now so far

[obsidian wolf]

you're out of reality

[dusty cedar]

cool. thanks. reality for who exactly?

[obsidian wolf]

this people legit don't have any push besides their own will to help you get what makes the most sense for what you actually want to do and you come up with an elitism thing?

Hello???

An i9 doesn't make sense for you at all

and coming from someone that knows actual music producers

[dusty cedar]

yep. thats exactly that. thats the reason. you got me

[obsidian wolf]

my own laptop works for that

You don't need nothing big

an I9 doesn't make sense for your situation at all and you will be expending the extra 300 bucks for what?

Go put that money in a better gpu so you can play games in 1440p high fps or 4k 60 fps

[paper summit]

My 6700xt will do that 💀

[obsidian wolf]

but again... be careful... elitism might come out of my sentence just because someone wants to help yah

[obsidian wolf]

lmao

yeh yeh

anyway where's fal cle

look at this beautiful build this is what I am settling for after seeing everything and with the deals this is legit the most smart build I am doing

[paper summit]

Falcle smort

[obsidian wolf]

lmao yeh yeh

becareful elitism now has a second money

[paper summit]

Drugs

[obsidian wolf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FGpYjZ

[paper summit]

We were so close to having a good thing

Isn't the 7900xt the same price rn

[flint sapphire]

Don’t worry I got this one guys 😎

[obsidian wolf]

just going with it because msi bios easy setting and ddr5 fast speed

[obsidian wolf]

hell nah

where i am getting it is already overcloked at 688

[paper summit]

820 for a 6950!?!?!

[paper summit]

Ahh okay

My sellers are dif than

[obsidian wolf]

is just micro

[paper summit]

💀

[obsidian wolf]

i don't mentioned the name since this is a newegg

[paper summit]

Yea

[paper summit]

My sellers are always dif

Than I end up looking stupid

[obsidian wolf]

I am sticking to buying everything from the micro guys because this is gonna be my first build 💀

And I do not want to come home and burned everything

btw for the case and cpu cooler i am going based on looks

my initial build was 3k but It was senseless for what i was gonna used

[austere condor]

you're ordering this from microcenter and having them build it for you?

[obsidian wolf]

nah nah

[austere condor]

i would avoid buying an AIO cooler

if so

[obsidian wolf]

just have a friend there

willing to help me

[austere condor]

ok, so you're not expecting to pay the build fee?

[obsidian wolf]

the case I truly like is this one

[flint sapphire]

Alright I parted this one out with saving money in mind https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wyc96r 😎

[paper summit]

Big sexy

[obsidian wolf]

yeh

I can not get it at micro

[austere condor]

the H510 is an ok case, but its cheap for a reason. you shouldnt be using it with such a high end PC, you'll end up running your system signifigantly hotter than a proper airflow case. @obsidian wolf

[obsidian wolf]

Understood.

[paper summit]

Oh yea best value

[obsidian wolf]

Actually imma note that

[flint sapphire]

Ty I tried pretty hard on it

[austere condor]

what is your budget? and yeah, you're buying everything from microcenter? or are you buying things from online retailers and having your friend assemble it for you? @obsidian wolf

[obsidian wolf]

everything from micro

[austere condor]

ok, what store?

[obsidian wolf]

keeping it in that 1500-1800 range

[obsidian wolf]

north jersey

[austere condor]

and what are you doing specifically with this PC?

gaming? streaming? video editing? what type of gaming?

[flint sapphire]

My bad was trying to match the theme

[cyan ravine]

Ooo taichi Carrara

[paper summit]

And another big sexy case

[cyan ravine]

My favourite board

[flint sapphire]

I’ll make the correction immediately

[obsidian wolf]

Gaming all types to be honest, video editing in the future not actually in mind right now(a friend of mine does need a video editor asap though) and mostly looking to work in my degree which is cybersecurity but that's also in the future 2 years from now since I am sophomore going into junior this year.

[cyan ravine]

No you won't

[obsidian wolf]

But no heavy duty in mind for now

[cyan ravine]

That would be weird

[paper summit]

Can confirm

[obsidian wolf]

Gorgeous

https://tenor.com/view/gorgeous-angry-reactions-stunning-absolutelystunning-gif-23115993

[cyan ravine]

Align my chakras

[flint sapphire]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bf7tGL it seems to have cost less then the taichi

[cyan ravine]

[paper summit]

Dang

[cyan ravine]

[austere condor]

eww, they dont have very good selection

[paper summit]

Sheesh

[obsidian wolf]

he u sure understand now

That 6950

is at a deal

[flint sapphire]

Insert New Jersey joke here

[austere condor]

$900-$1000 for a 4070ti

[obsidian wolf]

and that's why I am going for it