building-and-recc-chat

[mellow dove]

still this guy on reddit saying the 360 wont fit with the psu

so im going with ak620

[earnest olive]

use sa pcpp in the future

[mellow dove]

looking up temps now

didnt know that was a thing

[earnest olive]

I don’t see any mention of rad support being dependent on psu

[mellow dove]

the case specs say 140-180mm max psu

but this dude on reddit says the psu and rad wont fit

what am i supposed to believe lmao

i guess depends on psu mounting position which needs to be higher because of the gpu

[earnest olive]

does he have pics of the conflict

[mellow dove]

he does not

well he stopped responding cant ask him

i asked max psu length to fit a 360 rad

[earnest olive]

well, ak620 should be alright anyways

if it’s just for gaming there won’t be any performance difference

if you’re doing multicore loads you might lose a little performance compared to ls720

then again if you’re just gaming you should probably get a 7700x instead of a 7900x

or wait for 7800x3d

[mellow dove]

i cant

[jagged hill]

i'm happy how my adventure nuc worked out

[gentle pollen]

where's the monitor?

[jagged hill]

top left

display for ants for now

[gentle pollen]

I see.

[jagged hill]

yeah i'm replacing it today

[reef moss]

is 1.6k a good budget for a modded minecraft pc? (300+ mods)

[potent portal]

Guessing you want raytracing on?

[reef moss]

No

[potent portal]

Well for $1600 you can do a 13400+4070 ti computer easily so get used to raytracing lol

Or go for a tier higher on the CPU with a 13600k and a used 3080

[reef moss]

Will it run minecraft pretty smooth with good shaders?

[languid nimbus]

oh yeah

def

[mighty lantern]

yeah, minecraft shaders’ll even run well on a 3050 tbh, especially lower spec ones like BSL

[earnest olive]

me remembering my 3090 getting murdered by minecraft shaders

45 fps at 1440p overclocked with 480w power draw

[languid nimbus]

Oof dang

[mighty lantern]

Really depends on which ones you use

Sildur’s with the epic variant is gonna be heavily taxing

But I’ve got a 3050ti laptop that runs stuff like BSL or chocapic13 just fine at 100 or more fps at default settings

[gentle pollen]

Ehhhhh.

Not really.

[gentle pollen]

xD, relatable in some ways.

[upper rock]

performance wise, which is the best macbook i can get?

[obsidian wigeon]

m1

[potent portal]

*M2

M1 is just the one you should get because it's not far behind M2 and it's an older model so cheaper

[upper rock]

aah i see

is there any difference between air and pro w.r.to the configurations?

[potent portal]

If you're going to use it at all seriously then you want the pro because it has a fan. Air overheats because it's passively cooled.

If it's going to be for light use or just quick bursts of work (short renders) then air is cheaper

[obsidian wigeon]

yah, i would save money by going m1 mbp

[eternal sonnet]

thoughts on 5800X3D paired with 4090

[potent portal]

Great combo

Especially at 1440p or higher, the 4090 is a waste at anything less than 4k in most games

[fossil cedar]

Although i wouldn't buy an x3d these days unless you already have an am4 board

[midnight echo]

Intel Quad Core i5 3.2GHz, 16GB RAM, 120GB SSD + 500GB 7200 RPM HDD, Windows 10, Nvidia GT1030 2GB Graphics Card, HDMI, Wi-Fi
This person wants $550 for this pc. Is it worth it? I play rocket league and wanna switch to pc and run bakkes mod I’m on a budget will this work?

[mossy venture]

I cannot stress this word enough

NO

I paid $250 for an identically specced pc in 2018

[midnight echo]

Ok thank you

[mossy venture]

Are you in the US?

[midnight echo]

I am

[mossy venture]

Give me a minute

[midnight echo]

Ok

[mossy venture]

I would do this with a used gpu https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PrGPrD

Could also get some of the other parts used, could look for a used 3600/3700x/5600/10400f/11400f and a matching mobo

Ram and storage are cheap enough new, would be hard to find noticeably better prices used

[midnight echo]

Thank you so much

[mossy venture]

Ofc

As for gpu, any of the following is what I'd look for: 1660/super/ti, 2060, 1070/ti, 1080, 5600xt

If you can find better within your budget that's great, but those are the more realistic options

[brittle spindle]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the cpu matters more then the gpu in most games even when they claim to be “gpu dependent”, I have a friend with a ryzen 7 2700x, and a 2070 super. And I have a ryzen 5 5600 and a 1660S. And I get significantly more frames in most games. This isn’t the best comparison since his cpu is a generation or two old, but the gpu on paper is much better but it’s not enough to even out the field.

[mossy venture]

I would like to correct you. Their 2700x and 2070 super might get slightly lower frames in some titles, but also get much higher graphics

For example in warzone 2, you would likely get a good bit higher frames, but have to put the graphics on low, if not low-medium

They would likely be able to get atleast 60 fps medium-high I'd imagine

Example, 13600k and 4080 would get higher fps than 12400f and 4090, but 12400f and 4090 would likely be able to do higher graphics/same graphics at a higher resolution

[mossy venture]

This is also only true to a certain extent

If the gpu is struggling even on low graphics, no amount of cpu power can compensate

[brittle spindle]

Interesting

[mossy venture]

Basically, cpu can do a certain number of frames

Gpu dictates quality those frames can come at, and if the gpu can't keep up on whatever graphics settings, frames drop

[empty pollen]

Also, this is called bottleneck. you should strive to balance cpu/gpu power to get the less amount of bottleneck. 2070s is bottlenecked by the 2700x hence the lower performance even with a good card, while your 5600 allow your 1660s to work without bottlenecks. While your 1660s is working at 100% with the 5600(this is an example, not real numbers) the 2070s could be working at 20% cause the bottleneck generated by the 2700x (again, an example, not real numers). In the end both cpu and gpu matters to get the most fps on any given title.

Imagine a 4080 with a 4770k....

spoiler: i tried

[ornate condor]

Guys I got Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 2x32gb kit but looks like one of them have some issues

it blue screening when I start occt or any heavy program

[obsidian wigeon]

rma time

[ornate condor]

is there any way to confirm ram is faulty

[fossil cedar]

try with only 1 stick or diff ram

[ornate condor]

Why is those serial numbers are very different

Shouldn't be sequential like 16/17 ?

[flint sapphire]

Eh all the important stuff is the same tho

[ornate condor]

Yeah but I used to see same kit rams have same serial numbers

Alright . One stick booting to bios but it blue screening right after boot windows

[fossil cedar]

All that matters is they're the same version, in this case looks like ver 5.42 on both

[earnest olive]

in a perfect world where corsair version codes are actually reliable

[leaden mauve]

they are on ddr3 🤓

[earnest olive]

another reason why ddr3 is better

[leaden mauve]

factual statement

[midnight echo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z8MCY9 Thoughts on this simple build starting out on pc?

[fossil cedar]

how comfortable are you buying used graphics cards?

[stoic island]

The point looks to be as cheap as possible, to start with, swap the ram for this at the same price
https://www.newegg.com/neo-forza-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-0097-00069

And I'd reccomend spending the extra 20$ for an 1tb a60

[midnight echo]

It’s my first build I wanna go with all new stuff

[stoic island]

The power supply is just kinda unfortunate, cheap PSU market has been pretty bad recently

[midnight echo]

So what you’re saying is better power supply and graphics card?

[stoic island]

Better ram bigger SSD and ideally better PSU and graphics card

SSD like https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7tCFf7/silicon-power-a60-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp001tbp34a60m28

20$ to double your storage

VS is like the cheapest PSU that won't blow up, but doesn't exactly have good protections

[fossil cedar]

how much are you looking to spend btw around 500 right?

[earnest olive]

ryzen 5 5500 has pcie 3.0

big big big no no with the 6500xt

go i3-12100f instead

or 13100f if price close enough

[potent portal]

AMD's ultimate fail

[fossil cedar]

if youre not okay with buying used id honestly save up a bit more and get this with one of the gpus or that list with like a used 1070/ 1660(super/ti) for something under 200 or a 1060 6gb/5600xt/1650 super for like 150ish
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bQckMb

[midnight echo]

What graphics card will work with the Ryzen 5?

[earnest olive]

why do you want to keep the ryzen 5

the i3-12100f is just better

no matter what graphics card you use

[potent portal]

Plus 12100 leaves room for an upgrade to 13600k later. Ryzen 5000 you're stuck.

[midnight echo]

@fossil cedar why the 2 video cards?

[south cliff]

would a 1080 ftw2 be good for 100

[eternal sonnet]

is it worth the price to upgrade to AM5 or should i get the 5800x3d

[south cliff]

5800x3d is the same if not better than the 12900k

[potent portal]

That sounds more like the "for parts/not working" price

[south cliff]

well its listed in working condition for 120

[potent portal]

That's good then if the seller is reputable

[south cliff]

facebook marketplace

[potent portal]

Only you can answer that question but we can give some info to guide your decision.
5800X3D does beat some of the AM5 processors in certain games, but AM5 is a newer platform and would allow for an upgrade path for at least 3 more generations (if AMD is to be believed). 7000X3D processors are also about to drop in a few days.

[south cliff]

what does the x3d even do

[potent portal]

It stacks 3D Vcache onto the die instead of the traditional horizontal layout. This results in a LOT more cache being available which massively improves a good number of games.

[south cliff]

why doesent intel do it

or could they even

[gentle pollen]

pretty sure, amd owns a patent.

[potent portal]

They could if they wanted to put in the R&D

[south cliff]

thats kinda a L

[potent portal]

They can't just copy the design but they could come up with their own similar thing

[fossil cedar]

As i mentioned you'd choose one from the list

[potent portal]

Like they did with chiplets tiles

[south cliff]

ik i dont want them to copy just make somthing similar

for like the i3

or i5

for budget pcs

[midnight echo]

Ok I’m sorry I didn’t read your comment right

[potent portal]

That'll never happen, the stacked cache is super expensive to make

[gentle pollen]

why when you can just use

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[south cliff]

but its intel

[potent portal]

That's Intel's idea, shove more power and higher clocks to stay competitive instead of spending money on R&D

[fossil cedar]

all good

[south cliff]

well the high clock speed you need a beffy setup

[gentle pollen]

I wonder what Meteor Lake will be like.

[south cliff]

if you want to even use it for all cores

[midnight echo]

Would the a60 1 tb ssd work on that board?

[fossil cedar]

yes

[potent portal]

That's been a disaster so far tbh

[south cliff]

like it can boost to 6ghz but you need water cooling

[fossil cedar]

just looked like you where on a tight budget hence the 500gb drive

[south cliff]

so its just kinda more cores and threads

[potent portal]

No less

[south cliff]

form last gen?

[potent portal]

Yep

[gentle pollen]

Really? as said, I haven't been in touch with the tech lately.

[south cliff]

like the 13900k has less than 12900k

[gentle pollen]

So what's happening with ML chips?

[gentle pollen]

Serious water cooling.

[potent portal]

Meteor Lake is moving to chiplets... I mean, tiles, and they're struggling with the design. Last I heard you might have to deal with 6p8e on a 14900k

[gentle pollen]

or a 8lb block of copper lmao.

[potent portal]

8p8e if you're lucky

[south cliff]

yeah so what's the point in just pushing more power and clocks not everyone is a serious overlocker

[potent portal]

They do it out of the box

[south cliff]

ik but 6ghz is crasy

crazy

[gentle pollen]

It's just the way tech works, or humanity. We always try to make better.

I'm willing to bet 8 or even 10ghz cpus will exist in the future.

[south cliff]

well of course

[midnight echo]

I mean it’s only $20 more I think I could swing it I mean I would like to spend around $500 but the max I could do would be like between $600 and $750

[gentle pollen]

24c32t vs 16c24t.

13900K is 8p+16e layout vs 8p8e on 12900k.

[south cliff]

ik i thought he meant that 13900k had less

[gentle pollen]

Oh.

[south cliff]

but i feel they should put the x3d or somehting like it on the i3 and i5 if they have a chance

[potent portal]

Found it, latest leak as of 11 days ago

That's 6 P-cores and 8 E-cores, being the top SKU

[gentle pollen]

I see.

[fossil cedar]

ah okay, just an fyi in your budget the higher you can push it the significantly better it can be in perf as 500 is like absolute minimum for a gaming pc basically

[midnight echo]

Ok so basically your list is pretty good for getting started in the world of gaming pcs ?

[potent portal]

Yes very decent entry level system

[midnight echo]

Ok and thank you all for your help everyone is really nice in here

[midnight echo]

With the parts in that list everything should fit with no issue? And also would it have to flash the bios or anything like that for the cpu to start working on its own?

[potent portal]

It'll all fit and work out of the box

[midnight echo]

Someone told me with the Ryzen 5 I would have to flash the bios.

[potent portal]

Maybe. It depends on when the board was made. 5500 came out after the B550 chipset.
That's not an issue with the 12100 and B660. They came out at the same time.

[fossil cedar]

yeah but you can do better if you spend more

[midnight echo]

I’m just trying to get a good gaming pc on a tight budget 😂

Also would I need a cpu cooler?

[fossil cedar]

The stock one is plenty for a 12100

[dim forge]

12100 is budget king

5500 might have more cores/threads but pcie 3.0, 12100 has more cache and bandwidth

[high dew]

I’m looking to build a pc off Newegg but I don’t know anything about pcs. I mostly play games like apex and destiny 2 and have a budget of 1k. Need some help.

Already have a monitor keyboard and mouse

I use a 4k monitor for my ps5

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt limit yourself to just one retailer

For gaming at 4k, with a 1k budget, id do this with a used 3080/3090/6800xt/6900xt/6950xt https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GztCY9

[high dew]

Thank you for the advice good sir

Or maam

[mossy venture]

I cant tell if this part was meant to be nice or not

[cyan ravine]

I think it is lol

[high dew]

Your gender is yes so I’m just being respectful

[mossy venture]

Wasn't sure which way it went, thank you

[high dew]

I noticed there’s no gpu or is one these a gpu and I’m just being dumb?

[mossy venture]

I would buy a used 3080/3090/6800xt/6900xt/6950xt

[high dew]

Ah

[mossy venture]

For 4k there's not much of a choice with a 1k budget

[high dew]

Is there like any chance to get a full pre built one. I could prob bump the budget up to 1200 1300

[mossy venture]

The best you could do, and skytech is not a great brand https://www.newegg.com/skytech-st-shiva-0210-r/p/N82E16883289177?Item=N82E16883289177&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-289-177-_-02222023

[high dew]

I’ll prob just save up more till I can get something guaranteed realible

Nvm I don’t have a 4k monitor. I have a 2560x1440

[midnight echo]

With that list you gave me what monitor do you think will work best for it? Like hz and resolution?

[empty pollen]

not like gpus populate the pcie 3.0 anyway

[plucky timber]

and for gen 4 ssds you probably won't notice that much perf gain anyways

[fossil cedar]

At the moment this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qdFbt6/dell-s2522hg-245-1920x1080-240-hz-monitor-s2522hg

[fossil cedar]

Unless 6500xt

[prime cosmos]

prompt

[scarlet wraith]

Can someone recommend a build for $3k will be playing sons of the forest. Want to play on max settings.

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FbfhH2

Could go for a better cooler/mobo if you want to cpu overclock

If you want to ram tune could go for a diff kit too

[cyan ravine]

could straight up max it out

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PGRzDq

[scarlet wraith]

I'm kinda dumb so my friends always did builds for me.

[cyan ravine]

well two questions

1. what resolution are you going to use

2. purely for gaming?

[scarlet wraith]

4k monitor

[cyan ravine]

picked out a 4k monitor?

[scarlet wraith]

It's like a 36" ultra wide.

[cyan ravine]

ah, 1440p?

[scarlet wraith]

I have one. Just don't remember exact specs.

[cyan ravine]

like 1440p ultrawide

[scarlet wraith]

1440 probably

Resolution starts with 36 if that helps lol

[cyan ravine]

yeah it's ultrawide 1440p

how many hz is it?

144? 120?

60?

[scarlet wraith]

Viotek GNV34DB 34-Inch Ultrawide Gaming Monitor, Curved 1500R UWQHD VA Panel | 100Hz 1440p Monitor Resolution | FreeSync FPS/RTS | 3 HDMI Ports DP 3.5mm Aux (VESA) https://a.co/d/1xFkQak

Was off by a couple inches

[cyan ravine]

I feel like it'd be better to tone down the specs of this pc or get a new monitor and spec up

cos a 4090 is wasted on a monitor like that

[scarlet wraith]

Lol recommend a monitor... may aswell.

Approximately 30" preferred

[cyan ravine]

SOTF has RT or nah?

actually nvm I can fit it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gGMwsL

[scarlet wraith]

We don't know yet

[cyan ravine]

it's alright

this last list would be a better overall experience

[scarlet wraith]

So no 4090?

[cyan ravine]

I mean I could try fit it but the 4090 also needs a heck of a cpu as well to stay properly utilised

otherwise you pay for the card and only use say a 4080's worth out of it

[scarlet wraith]

So first list plus that monitor?

[cyan ravine]

you could do that yeah

[scarlet wraith]

Was thinking more long term. Would hold onto that gpu for a long time.

[cyan ravine]

I mean a 4080 is pretty long term

[scarlet wraith]

I mean I've had my 1080 forever

[cyan ravine]

plenty of people still on 2080's

and the recommended for this game is a 1080 ti so you aren't too far off that to begin with lol

[scarlet wraith]

Lol yeah, just don't wanna be stuck on medium low settings on a game that's gonna look amazing.

Want the immersion

If only 4k vr was a thing

[cyan ravine]

relatively speaking a 4080 is pretty much a 4K gaming card

it's a good 80% of a 4090 I don't feel like you're losing much considering you're paying less than 75% for it

[scarlet wraith]

Word

[cyan ravine]

if I were to call a 4090 a 4K120 card I'd call a 4080 a 4K100 card but both card can go both way higher and way lower at 4K

hell even a 4070Ti

[scarlet wraith]

Could I keep my monitor with the 4080 lol

[cyan ravine]

alternatively you could go with a better 1440p screen and get a 4070ti and max it out

4070ti will run basically anything full kilter at 1440p\

hence the 4k stuff

[scarlet wraith]

Not hearing a no

[cyan ravine]

.

going higher is a waste

[scarlet wraith]

4080 it is. Old monitor fine or nah? What's wrong with it?

[obsidian wigeon]

cpu bottleneck

[cyan ravine]

depending on the game's optimisation you'll end up probably using 80% of the gpu down to maybe 40%

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[cyan ravine]

so you'll be paying extra and be unable to use it

[scarlet wraith]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

I'm still saying no to 4080

[scarlet wraith]

Boo I liked it too

So 4070 ti

[cyan ravine]

ye, that would be more reasonable

[scarlet wraith]

Any particular one?

[cyan ravine]

the cheapest that isn't a gamerock

[scarlet wraith]

Idk what that is

[cyan ravine]

pay 10-20 more if it's a ventus

the names of the 4070 ti's

[scarlet wraith]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

i'm making another list brb

[scarlet wraith]

Thanks for your work man

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2ctQJM

decided to make it a little more fun and do a small form factor cos it seemed relatively cheap to throw that factor into it

also there's another 34" 1440p screen that's much better if you want to upgrade that too

[scarlet wraith]

Ayy and I get a monitor like mine!

[cyan ravine]

ye

[scarlet wraith]

My guu

Guy

[cyan ravine]

[scarlet wraith]

2 more hours on patrol then I'll order the stuff when I get home.

And hope the wife doesn't check the Amazon orders lol

[cyan ravine]

No worries, I just went to double check and I am fairly sure it should fit

Actually @scarlet wraith can I make an amendment just in case

Ima change the gpu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gKDJrD

Still 4070 ti but $10 more and it's much smaller at the trade off of being a little less quiet

[scarlet wraith]

Noise isn't an issue haha.

Pretty deaf post army

[cyan ravine]

https://store.cablemod.com/product/cablemod-pro-modmesh-12vhpwr-pci-e-cable-extension-black-16-pin-to-triple-8-pin-45cm/

Also grab one of these, pick any colour you want

Or you can use the one the gpu comes with

Either one is honestly fine, just make sure it's plugged all the way in, triple check that

Less likely to happen on a 4070 ti but the plugs on 40 series cards melt if not plugged in properly

That...I think that should cover everything

Good luck

[scarlet wraith]

Thank you!

[cyan ravine]

Np

[frigid night]

@fleet heron how you liking that case?

Not that it matters a whole lot, but might I suggest lowering that rear exhaust to as low as it'll go? It'll vent that heat coming off the backplate of your GPU slightly faster.. like I said, not that it matters to much, but I try to go for most efficient airflow I can even if miniscule.

[scarlet wraith]

Ordered all the parts! It's gonna take forever for them to get here to Alaska.

[limber oyster]

Anyone know anything about the leven jsp600 nvme?

[frigid night]

MOAR airflowz

[strong raft]

Is this just to taunt us 3x8pin gpu owners? No, reverse set doesn't work on Evga.

[potent portal]

JSP600 is a sata drive, JP600 and JPR600 are the nvme ones. The JPR600 version is halfway decent but the TLC NAND slows down in long write operations to barely above sata speed. The JP600 is way below par in speed.

[potent portal]

No it's to get you to have to buy 2 sets

[strong raft]

Well the 1 on the right does, haha. $20ish either way I guess. Can't remember if evga made a powerlink for 3x8pin cards.

Yea I have 1 didn't know it wouldn't work on my strix 1080. $5 so no big deal.

[strong raft]

Great. Didn't bother w/ 3dmark yet actually, but I figure it'll even jack up gfx scores a bit since the 3770 ST perf is really different. Super nice boost avg & temps under the FS140. 👍

[limber oyster]

@potent portal gotchya. I'm looking for a budget gaming nvme, 2tb

[potent portal]

USA?

This is a fantastic price for this drive, gen 4 for $5 more than the budget gen 3 we often recommend (SP A60)

https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022

[vague junco]

thoughts on the corsair elite build kit? https://www.corsair.com/us/en/corsair-build-kits

[potent portal]

$1700 for a 13600k and 3070 build 💀

For the same price we'll put together a list with a 4070 ti

[obsidian wolf]

I think I really need to change it

[potent portal]

Yeah a lot of SSDs lose speed when they're full

[obsidian wolf]

Is not full

Though

[potent portal]

82% is full

[obsidian wolf]

Is under the 25% margin they say you shouldn't leave under

but nonetheless is gen 3.0 as well

[potent portal]

That's 82% used though isn't it

Which means 18% free

Yeah that shows used space

[stoic island]

The elite kit is basically this, but worse and 300$ more expensive.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rZzhH2

[potent portal]

Yep. That cost difference could get a 4k monitor.

[stoic island]

All it takes to install windows is a spare usb drive, the only tool you need is a screwdriver

also, tbh, I don't know why Corsair pairs 13700k with b660

Went b760 because technically you might have to do the extra step of updating bios with b660, and the list was made for ease of building

You could do like 13600k and z690 for approx same gaming perf and ability to OC while saving a bit of money

[potent portal]

Plus B760 isn't that much more than B660

[stoic island]

also I really hope Corsair isn't actually pairing cx750m with those lol
think they still have a lot of coil whine

[obsidian wolf]

@potent portal

[little osprey]

yo guys im in serbia rn what gpu do i get
200 euro budget
kupujemprodajem ONLY no ebay
max card length should be around 30-32cm just in case (i think that means no 1080 ti's sadly, not sure since i only know the length of the asus rog model so im assuming)
thinking of a 1070 rn also maybe 1070 ti/1080 but again not sure about space

[obsidian wolf]

I choosed to go less for higher thing and a little bit more for nice looking

stuff

I went with NZXT AIO that has the led screen that can be modified and for the north fractal case

And rather than going for the 4090 and risk burning my whole house I am choosing getting a 3090 used

The nice stuff is compensate in price like I am saving 700 bucks with the 3090 compare to the 4090

[potent portal]

Some people prefer form over function. If that's what you want sure.

[obsidian wolf]

I like functionality but also nice looking you know

[stoic island]

didn't the 4090 thing end up being like a dozen or two of cases total lol

[potent portal]

Something like that, and it's been almost entirely user error combined with a bad clip design

[obsidian wolf]

Well main reason why I am not buying it though is because my friend at microcenter totally told me to skip them for now

And to go for the 3080 or 3090

[potent portal]

That's fair tbh nvidia is artificially reducing the number of 4090s in stores right now so that people either have to pay inflated prices or buy a 4080 instead

Because they can't sell enough 4080s lol

[stoic island]

Non-blower 1080ti is probably still your best option, most 1080tis are under 300mm, just have to check the specific models

[little osprey]

hm

[stoic island]

Strix is 298mm actually

[obsidian wolf]

Yep

[stoic island]

FE is 267mm for example

[little osprey]

oh i thought it said 339 or something

[obsidian wolf]

+That north fractal design blow my mind up

It looks to good for me to just go for something else at this point

Like common look at it

[stoic island]

Asus says 298mm
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-gtx1080ti-o11g-gaming-model/spec/

[potent portal]

Fractal does have some cool cases, in both senses of the word

[little osprey]

yea i misremembered

google says 298

kinda tired rn whatever

[obsidian wolf]

But I am definitely sticking to that mobo you recommended

Unless I catch any other deals

[little osprey]

ok uhhh

seems like aero cards are even shorter

yea should be aight with a 1080 ti

[stoic island]

Aero is a blower card and it'll be quite loud

just gotta warn you

[little osprey]

i already have molex fans n stuff

that wont bother me more

[stoic island]

alright then

[little osprey]

is the msi armor 1080 ti aight too

[stoic island]

It's alright

[little osprey]

heard it has bad thermals but i have case fully open anyway

since case poo airflow

[stoic island]

yea it's not good but if you're comparing it to blowers it's just alright

[obsidian wolf]

btw @potent portal the other day I ping to see if you could help me with this.

There's a page I use to create maps online for a dnd sort of game I play however, I am confused if what I need is more RAM so I can run bigger maps or more graphical memory, what do you think?

[potent portal]

I don't know but you can find out by loading one up and running hwinfo to see video memory and virtual/physical memory usage

[stoic island]

Theoretically if it's the same textures but just more stuff it should take more ram and not vram?

[obsidian wolf]

Well just checked it on both that app you said and task manager, when I had the page open, the ram comp was 10 when I close it was 9

[potent portal]

Task manager is really bad for memory stats if you don't know exactly what you're looking for

And it's completely worthless for GPU stats

[obsidian wolf]

:V

[upper condor]

I had this problem before and I asked around here but nothing seemed to help, but I have some new info which might help?
Basically, whenever I am playing a game seemingly at random my PC will stop sending display, fans on my GPU go max, and I have to restart. Applications stay open and I can hear things as well as talk still.

Now it was mostly fine for a good amount of time, and then I did a DDU to upgrade my drivers, which made the problem arise more.

And this problem seems to only occur 1-3 times when I first start playing a game, then subside(I played a game, instantly did it, played it again for an hour, did it again, hasn't happened since).

Also not all graphically intensive games ^

I set my shader cache size to unlimited and it happened almost instantly, so I was wondering if it could somehow be a problem with how my GPU is generating the shader cache?

Since it only happens in new areas in games I haven't played, it makes me think while generating the shaders something wonky happens and causes that error.

And if that is the case, do I just lower my shader cache size? Or what could be causing it?

I also can't recreate this issue in any benchmarks, which would make some sense because the benchmark doesn't constantly create new shaders, it just needs one set

All just a theory but would love some input

[fleet heron]

ah thats acually useful ill do that when i get the chance!

personally i love the case it looks really good and i just cleaned it and it was easy

[frigid night]

I liked mine before I swapped to the O11D Evo.

[vague junco]

thanks for the insight

[high dew]

Do you need a graphics card to match the reso of your monitor? If so what would go good with a 1440p not looking for some high end type just something to match

[potent portal]

You don't really need a gpu that can match your monitor, thanks to modern upscaling techniques, but it is still great to have. For 1440p you'd want a 3060/6600 xt at the minimum. For a good, high refresh experience you'll want a 3070/6750 xt or higher.

[fleet heron]

ah yes that case is a really nice case

bit its much more pricey

[frigid night]

Most def. Way better thermals though

[fleet heron]

but*

and wym by thermals?

like the glass?

[frigid night]

The airflow coming from the bottom of the case up into my GPU dropped my temps by 11c.

[brittle spindle]

I dropped 80 tons on my gpu

[potent portal]

I was waiting for a punch line but I guess it fell flat

[cyan ravine]

it hit the ground huh

80 tons tends to do that

[olive cypress]

A friend of mine had a similar problem, found out that PSU cables weren't plugged in properly (modular psu) and that caused the GPU to basically do the same at high loads when more power is required
Also could you specify the GPU model?

Check you temps too, it could be that fans dont speed up and GPU overheats, but considering you ran benchmarks with no problems it's probably not this...
Do you run any GPU overclock or undervolt?

[upper condor]

Ah yeah, it’s a 3080 Aorus Master Rev 3.0. I thought it was cables as well but I have redone them like 5 times, and my games still have that issue. My GPU draws up to 440 watts under heavy load with no problem, so I’m not sure it’s the cables. Also only happens in some games, not even graphically demanding ones. For temps, they get low 70s for GPU and hotspot/memory is around 90. But this problem occurs within like 5 minutes of starting a game so I don’t think there’s time for it to heat up.

[upper condor]

I ran overclocks for a bit before this happened, but turned them off after. My GPU also has like 3 white lights where the PSU cables are so when you turn it in it shows which ones are connected, and they’re all turnt on

[olive cypress]

You could try another pcie slot

Some people had the same problem with this specific card and it looks like a problem that can't really be solved unless sacrificing card performance with either underclock (mem and core) and undervolt, or both.

People are saying they RMAed the card and got back a faulty one still so it's probably a defect of that model... I'm hoping it's not like that for you

You could also check windows problem viewer (don't remember if it's called like this) and see what errors it reports. Some others also suggested that a 750/850w PSU wasn't enough (If running many power hungry components) and it was the cause for when the power draw from GPU was higher.

Did you ever manage to get back it running after a black screen?

[frigid night]

Event Viewer

[olive cypress]

Thanks, I was trying to translate it from my language lol

[leaden raft]

is it bad to have cables behind the motherboard?

[obsidian wigeon]

nah

but it's optimal to not do that if possible

you run the risk of solder joints stabbing into the cables

[olive cypress]

@upper condor you could test the 3080 on another system too. (If you have one)

[leaden raft]

I hope my board does it was like 300

[upper condor]

No, I always tried to restart it. I don’t have another system but I will try a different pcie slot. Funnily enough, I turned off shader cache in my nvidia control panel and the game which always had it instantly now runs perfectly without it. Could be the problem, and I’m fine sacrificing a few frames in games I play super often but I’ll just have to wait and see.

[olive cypress]

Well, that's some progress and also some more info to diagnose the problem... But people with your same card and same problem sometimes had to underclock to 1500/1600 to make the card work, as well as vram freq reduced

That'd matter a lot for a 3080, it would mean a big fos loss in games

[mighty silo]

hey guys so its my first time building and i pretty put in all the parts besides the psu and oh man is it a pain in the ass all the wires are already connected so im having trouble trying to even fit it into the case and the wires are so many even ones that are needed and im not sure what to do any tips?

[upper condor]

Yeah that would be a really, really unfortunate solution. My weird theory as of now is it has a problem generating/using shader cache in unity games(only these have been affected, no clue). Before I did a drivers update the issues had mostly gone after about 3 weeks and playing around 5-10 different games. Seems like the shader cache got full so that problem no longer occurred.

Could also be the drive the shader cache is stored on.

Seems to explain every weird part of it, no clue why that would happen but I’ve been able to overclock all of my hardware CONSIDERABLY compared to before and had no issues. Went from no XMP to XMP, no OC eco mode on CPU to core optimized 5.4ghz~ stable, and +50 +750 gpu core and memory respectively.

[olive cypress]

When did you get your GPU?

It could be different things but the system is in your hands so you'll have to find out what the problem is... if I can think of any possible solutions I'll tell you.

[upper condor]

I got it early January. Was technically used, but was such a good deal I had to :P

Still has about 2 years warranty though and the previous owner has given me proof it wasn't for mining or anything like that.

He also confirmed the he didn't have this issue, but he did not use his card anywhere near as much as I do as far as I know.

[empty pollen]

have you tried to rollback to an older driver where your card worked fine?

[upper condor]

No driver worked fine

Went all the way to 525 from last October, flashed the newest vbios

[empty pollen]

i thought i read that the problems came back after you updated the drivers

maybe i got that wrong

you flashed a newer bios before or after the problems?

[fast plinth]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali641/p/N82E16883360306?item=N82E16883360306 I bought this prebuilt half a year ago and was wondering what upgrades I could make for it

[empty pollen]

more ram maybe, going from 16 to 32.... if you want to upgrade the gpu you should upgrade the psu as well... lastly the cpu could be upgraded as well in the future if you want, up to a 13th gen

there is a lot of upgrade paths there, but overall the build seems quite good the way it is

[fossil cedar]

more storage if you want, a tower cooler like the id cooling 214xt if you have a cooler like in the picture for better and quieter cpu cooling

i honestly wouldnt bother upgrading the main components like cpu or gpu since theres not really anything worth your money upgrading

[jagged hill]

hey guys regarding my custom turntable case

any suggestions on how to ditch the gpu?

in favor of a stronger mini pc than a 2015 core i3, either intel or amd?

[fossil cedar]

Or if it doesn't need a gpu a 12400 or something depends on your use case tbh

[upper condor]

All happened before I changed anything

Was bought used so thats ofc a possibility

[fast plinth]

The cooler in the pic is an intel stock cooler

[fast plinth]

I wanna get more storage but idk how to get rid of my current ram, since it’s not in a box

[empty pollen]

i dont see the problem 😛 just take out the 2 sticks and post them on ebay xD

also more storage? just buy another nvme and socket on any available slot on the mobo

as i said, you have a lot of upgradeability paths on your build, but just as pato said, your build is pretty good they way it is 🙂

short term maybe storage or ram, long term... just another rig in like 6+ years

[potent portal]

@hard badge Now that's retro gaming done right

I've got a SP I'm going to get a custom shell and IPS mod for eventually

[hard badge]

Gonna try the slate mod? I've always felt like the Advance and Color had better ergonomics than the SP, the slate kit helps the SP a lot.

[potent portal]

Something like that. I'm thinking 3D printed kind of custom.

The SP was great for small hands but as an adult...

Probably custom larger buttons and D pad too

[hard badge]

The gameboy advance SP slab is a free blueprint for 3D printing iirc. From Xipher design. Looks like a gameboy pocket

[potent portal]

So yeah right along the lines of what I'm thinking but I want to model it myself

[hard badge]

Nice nice.

[potent portal]

I have the hardware might as well use it lol

[hard badge]

Truueee.

I don't trust myself with soldering. So I just wait for the solder free kits like this one.

[potent portal]

Solder joints aren't too terribly small on these old consoles. Makes it fairly easy. The only hard part will be soldering to the ribbon cable for the IPS mod to register the 10 brightness levels from the brightness button for me.

[hard badge]

This one has a touch sensor inside the bottom of the laminated screen, so you don't have to solder it if you don't want to.

[potent portal]

I like a challenge lol

[hard badge]

https://youtu.be/15XNZXwjMNs

You could do that 🥲

[potent portal]

[hard badge]

Better ergonomics for bigger hands lol

[potent portal]

Yeah but those buttons look really out of place

I'm definitely not keeping the hinged screen too, kids like to break things

[hard badge]

Next to my Analogue pocket.

[frigid night]

Absolute unit of a pokemon game. One of my faves.

[late fjord]

I'll probably do emerald once I play through crystal again

[hard badge]

Do it

[late fjord]

Do miss the physical buttons though.

[fast plinth]

yea i misunderstood the storage part abt it cause i alr got more storage and forgot it didnt come with the build
Im still thinking abt getting another nvme ssd tho cause i want more things on ssd but dont wanna crowd up my 500gb one

[hard badge]

You could connect a Razer Kishi or Bluetooth controller, But I guess that would be more to carry

[vapid terrace]

Im going to build my first pc, any recommendations on graphics card/cpu + compatibility

[cyan ravine]

What's your budget

[vapid terrace]

3000

[cyan ravine]

What currency??

[vapid terrace]

$

[cyan ravine]

There's a lot of places that use $

[vapid terrace]

USD

[cyan ravine]

Ok

And just gaming?

What size screen do you want

Do you have a screen already?

Do you need wifi

[vapid terrace]

I have a screen

[cyan ravine]

What screen is it

[vapid terrace]

ACER 1080p

[cyan ravine]

Ok well that definitely deserves an upgrade for a 3K budget

What size screen can you fit on your desk?

If you don't know then it's fine, you would if you had limits

[vapid terrace]

45 in at the most

[cyan ravine]

Ok sweet

Give me 5

Do you need wifi?

[vapid terrace]

have it

[cyan ravine]

No i mean on the pc

Lol

If you have ethernet you won't

[vapid terrace]

you mean a wifi transister

[cyan ravine]

No I mean does the computer need wifi for you to game

[vapid terrace]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Ok cheers

[vapid terrace]

thats what im meaning

wifi link between the pc and the router right, I don't know what its called but the wifi gets physically installed to the motherboard right?

Sorry I misread what you sent me, I'm meaning to play online games

so yes

no ethernet

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FD8yC6 option 1

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j27nDq option 2 @vapid terrace

There's a couple things I could improve here and there to save a few extra dollars but these will look good to boot

Should work out of the box as well

[vapid terrace]

thank you Fish

[cyan ravine]

The reason both lists are so different are you pay some 30% more for some 25%-30% more performance

Just depends on what you want

Both should run at their given resolutions at the fps of both screens no problem

[vapid terrace]

works good if i dual monitor??

[cyan ravine]

You can dual monitor, stick that acer 1080p on the side, or take the big 43" screen in the second one and use that in dual screen mode

So no second screen needed (note: this limits the screen to 60 fps)

PBP ftw

Or even grab an old phone and use that as a second screen via usb and superdisplay off the app store/google play

Ez life

World is your oyster really

We could also use an M32U for the second list monitor instead of the big 43" I put in that way the 2nd screen fits on your desk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fm7G3C/gigabyte-m32u-315-3840x2160-144-hz-monitor-m32u

Personally recommend the FV43U tho it's an amazing gaming screen

Hopefully this helps lad

[little osprey]

Hi guys, I'm new here and was told that I could potentially be able to get help. I don't have the budget for a new top of the line computer. But its not like i need a new computer per say. I am hunting for a new GPU that is compatible with my Alienware Aurora R7 MBD. Any recommendations for an upgrade for best gaming GPU compatible?

[languid nimbus]

I mean, what’s your budget?

[little osprey]

If i can keep it under 750 that would be do-able. If I had the budget I'd get something prebuild from like for instance Build Redux or something.

[languid nimbus]

Gotcha. It’ll also boil down to how much clearance you have for your GPU in your case, and what your wattage is/what PSU you have

[little osprey]

biggest concern is compatibility since i have an old motherboard. and yeah power is another issue. lemme see if i can find out whats built into it. I currently been running on the AMD radeon RX 580X but lately most games are stalling with 32G of RAM and 1TB of M.2 SSD

[potent portal]

You can use a 4090 on a motherboard from 2005, compatibility is a non-issue

[little osprey]

ok, so where in the device manager can i find the type of power supply?

[potent portal]

It won't be in software anywhere, but if you pop open your case it'll say on the label

[little osprey]

I'll have to find out then.

[languid nimbus]

New GPUs are massive as well, and they vary by brand. My ASUS TUF 3080 fits in my 220T with literally no more than 1 to 2 MM of clearance

[little osprey]

the AMD RX 580X fits snug when I last peeked in there. I'm working on the computer now so opening it up will have to wait till later.

[potent portal]

Found the specs on your GPU at least. 185W TDP and 1x 8 pin connector. So we know it can support at least that much.

[little osprey]

OH, I was browsing my Dell account and found the system config. Looks like i have the 850W EPA Bronze PSU Liquid Coo Led Chasis

[potent portal]

It's 241mm long and if it's tight fitting already I wouldn't go above that

Looks like you should be able to fit this in your case, it's a little shorter but uses 50W more power. Double check if you have a second 8 pin pcie power connector first. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c3RYcf/powercolor-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-fighter-video-card-axrx-6700xt-12gbd6-3dh

[little osprey]

That looks solid and doing a vs with my current looks like it out performs based on stats on the gpu.userbenchmark

[obsidian wigeon]

don't use userbench

but other than that that's a decent gpu

[little osprey]

thats good to know.

[potent portal]

?ubm

[jolly river]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[little osprey]

I agree since its also well within my budget range too. win win

[potent portal]

As long as you've got that second power connector you're golden

[little osprey]

I'll look up the power supply. one sec

yeah i'll need to open the case to check the cables. not much luck finding anything online about it.

I greatly appreciate the support guys 🙂

[limber oyster]

My 2tb nvme arrives today

[sterile path]

hey upgrading my computer

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dp6msL

any comment u guys might add

[frigid night]

You can get a good gen4 2tb ssd for the same price as that 1tb in the list.

https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022

[frigid night]

You could also save a substantial amount of $ by going with a ddr4 board and a 12600k, but the 13600k is solid.

[sterile path]

ye but if i take ddr5 its future proof

i will not have to change my mother board again

[potent portal]

DDR4 does hurt 13600k performance by as much as 10%

DDR5 is the way to go.
Future proofing isn't a thing though. You'll probably be replacing your DDR5 when you upgrade later.

[fossil cedar]

have you already bought the stuff?

[sterile path]

no

[fossil cedar]

are you outside the US or something?

these prices look odd

[sterile path]

ye but im not gonna have to change my mother board for a while, until ddr6 releases

[sterile path]

ye lol

in canada

[fossil cedar]

oh then just use https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/

whats your budget?

in CAD

[sterile path]

im gonna say max 1300

[fossil cedar]

@sterile path I'd do this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/V4xPrD

[sterile path]

i dont think current case can fit 360

arctic 240 aint enought for the 13600KF?

[fossil cedar]

It is it's just cheaper and 360s are better than 240s

[fossil cedar]

What's your case?

[potent portal]

It would be pretty warm even if you're just gaming. That chip can use 200W without overclocking.

[sterile path]

https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Obsidian-Series™-750D-Airflow-Edition-Full-Tower-ATX-Case/p/CC-9011078-WW#tab-tech-specs

[fossil cedar]

The website says it fits 360mm radiators

So you can do a 360

[rich void]

From the looks of it you can do a 360 if you're not using the optical drive cage

[vague oracle]

@bitter mason could you help me out with this LM? I have no clue what I’m doing and yt barely helps

Is this thin enough?

[bitter mason]

why did you want to redo the LM btw

[vague oracle]

Was getting 90C at idle

[bitter mason]

oh crap then ya it must've not been making contact

[vague oracle]

This was it when I first opened the laptop

[bitter mason]

what I usually do is almost paint it on there with a q-tip

[vague oracle]

That’s basically what I did

[bitter mason]

woooow

they did a terrible job on that holy crap

[vague oracle]

Everything but the CPU 💀

[bitter mason]

the pressure on the die is so uneven

can you fix that at all?

[vague oracle]

No clue

Should I just paste the GPU or should I also go LM on it?

It was paste from the factory

[worthy briar]

can someone help me find the drivers for my build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WtbkMb and how many usbs i need and windows and stuff?

[vague oracle]

Only drivers you need are for the GPU

Everything is automatically installed

[bitter mason]

you can put LM & it helps a lot but you really have to be careful it doesn't leak anywhere. clear nail polish or conformal compound goes a looong way lol

[vague oracle]

Don’t have access to either of those

Will LM leak out when I put the cooler back on?

[bitter mason]

this is what I use if you ever want to get some https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B8RY7M6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[vague oracle]

I need this done by tn so can’t really order anything

[bitter mason]

from the looks of it, it could... is the cooler not flat?

[vague oracle]

It is flat

[bitter mason]

oh ya meant more for future reference

seems like it's a little curved by the way it pushed all the LM out of the center

did it seem on there loose?

[vague oracle]

It didn’t take much effort to unscrew it

But I wouldn’t say it was loose

[bitter mason]

is the laptop normally in your backpack or something where it gets thrown around a lot?

[vague oracle]

Sometimes yeah

Maybe like 2 days a week

[bitter mason]

damn... it still shouldn't have ran like that. If that brown/orange tape wasn't there, it might be dead rn

not to make you worried or anything my bad

[vague oracle]

It had to have been like that before college even started since I had temp issues back in August

I think the mounting is fine, just the original pasting was bad

[bitter mason]

like LM on any of these is a potential short

[vague oracle]

Funnn

I have no idea if this laptop will even work because somehow some LM got onto one of the other components when I was cleaning it off with an isopropyl pad

[bitter mason]

definitely try to get it off of there as best you can

do you have compressed air or something? the risk there is spreading it further

[vague oracle]

I got it off as much as I could

Quick test with a DMM says there’s no conductivity between the pins but i don’t trust it

[bitter mason]

I wonder if you tell them you brought it to a computer repair center & they showed you that LM situation if it would still potentially void warranty or what the deal with the warranty even is

cuz ya, LM works really well but the reality is they're taking a risk selling laptops with it

& that application they did is completely unacceptable

[potent portal]

Sony has LM on the PS5, protected the hell out of it, and there's still cases of them shorting out if you kept it vertical.

[vague oracle]

Worst comes to worst is I resolder the component which won’t be a big deal but it’ll be annoying

[potent portal]

Consumer products and LM just don't mix, it's too delicate a procedure for mass production

[left urchin]

Is this compatible with a Radeon RX 6600 GPU?

Stupid question but I'm still kinda new to this

[vague oracle]

…why would you spend so much on a CPU but so little on a GPU?

Are you just gaming?

[left urchin]

I got it for free and yes

[stoic island]

Compatible, yes

[vague oracle]

You got it for free? Damn

[stoic island]

I'd sell it and spend more on the GPU but that's just me

[left urchin]

Awesome

Thanks

[left urchin]

These motherboards are ugly lol i liked that one up there but i dont really need a i9 an i7 13700k is good enough but the motherboards i find for it are ugly

[bitter mason]

is there something specific you're looking for in a motherboard

?

[bitter mason]

this one is pretty awesome lol https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162101?Description=Z790 Sonic&cm_re=Z790_Sonic-_-13-162-101-_-Product&quicklink=true

[left urchin]

My b and eh just not bland if that makes sense

Lol yea i saw that one and was thinking about it

[mossy venture]

13600k beats the 12900k for gaming

And is $300, and is fine on a $150 motherboard

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MZvCY9

And $115 cheaper

[vague oracle]

@bitter mason so the laptop is fried

I just want to die rn, I can’t deal with this anymore and I don’t have money to replace it

[eternal sonnet]

Any one use the MSI X670E MeG Ace?

[bitter mason]

RMA it

[vague oracle]

…the warranty expired 2 days ago

[cyan ravine]

12900k and 13700k are virtually the same thing

One's just able to clock higher

Reality tho is they're basically the same, couple percent between each other

[left urchin]

Ah ok bc im only paying 100 for anything under 1k so im just curious

My insurance is covering it

[cyan ravine]

But you might get a little more resale on the 12900k cos it's new in box(?)

[left urchin]

True maybe

[cyan ravine]

But yeah it's more of a whatever thing

A proper 12900K tuned will get very close to a 13700K

It would just really depend on what price you'd get for the i9

[left urchin]

Ah thats cool i just want something thats gonna last 5+ years

The one i was lookin at was 780

[cyan ravine]

Oh there is one other trade-off, the denuvo drm stuff would work out of the box for 13700K, 12900K needs a bios toggle but still works

But if you get an early 12900K you get avx 512 which makes it nicer lol

For platform wise you could run basically any gpu with it

Anything that comes to mind will work you'd just need the psu to go with it

[cyan ravine]

What you want to know?

I don't use it but I might be able to answer your question

[south cliff]

im getting a 1660 ti tomorow for 80 W or L?

but ita a 1 fan

GTX 1660 Ti MINI ITX OC 6G

[fleet heron]

Whats the point smh

[frigid night]

to build a low end PC to sell for a profit?

[obsidian wigeon]

1660ti is low end now?

[south cliff]

yeah my uncle gave me some parts for free like a aio ddr3 ram cpu cooler and a ASUS Z97I-PLUS for free all i need is a gpu case and hdd

but i dont know what cpu is in it

[potent portal]

It's pretty much the minimum for a lot of games now so yes low end

[south cliff]

kinda what im thinking im only gonna spend like 170 total

im hoping its like a 4770

and i could most likely sell it for like 400

[little osprey]

Anyone got a good option or idea for the GPU & RAM? I'm going to be playing mainly shooter, action & open world games. I'll also be using Blender, UE 4 or 5 & maybe Unity 3D. Drawing programs such ZBrush & Clip Studio are possible too.

120 - 144p FPS, 1080p. If it's possible to get 1440p, 160 FPS under $600.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hWzRW4

Games I'll be most likely playing are; Predator: Hunting Grounds, Warframe, Minecraft, Horizon Zero Dawn & Forbidden West, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, & etc...

[cyan ravine]

can go cheaper board

[stoic island]

600$ for ram GPU and PSU? Assuming you already have the motherboard?

[cyan ravine]

z690 steel legend wifi 6e

ram you can do silicon power gaming 32gb

[stoic island]

If you don't have the motherboard already go with that ^

[cyan ravine]

62.97

psu seems fine

gpu you might be able to squeeze in a 6800 with those changes

any 6800 whatever is cheapest

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mpNjFg

like this

[little osprey]

No, I don't have the mobo yet

[cyan ravine]

wait you're using blender?

Oh I'd go used 30 series then

3080 10gb off of like r/HardwareSwap for 450 would be much better than an AMD card for that

blame blender for this but AMD has horrible optimisation for blender

for screen I'd do HP X27Q

it's 210$

1440p 165Hz

be a pretty perfect match for the gpu and it's a good screen overall

[little osprey]

Alr

I have heard that Nvidia is a lot better & has more support with Blender.

[cyan ravine]

specifically with blender yeah

it's a real shortfall for AMD

I think even intel cards handle it better

[little osprey]

But what about Maya & other things like it & UE.

[cyan ravine]

can't remember maya

I think it's not as bad

blender is just a disaster really compared to anything else productivity related

also software support is just overall better for nv vs amd for this sort of stuff

AMD is a ways out from being properly supported and mainstream

my take on it anyway, most workstation pc's I've used have nvidia cards like A4000's and such

yeah maya isn't that bad on RDNA 2

went and checked specviewperf results

@vague oracle you might be interested in this too

higher is better

see creo at the bottom

yeah it looks weird but higher is better

[empty pollen]

forbidden west on pc o.O ?

i want that

[vague oracle]

How does a 6700xt outperform 6800xts?

[cyan ravine]

newer driver ig

it's not like that in every test but rdna 2 is really good with creo

[buoyant patrol]

Does anyone know if fractal design aios are good?

[potent portal]

They're ok. Not the best but average.

[buoyant patrol]

Is it worth $100? Or is there a better option? Sorry I’m kinda new to aios I’ve been rocking a stupid stock cooler

[potent portal]

For what processor

[buoyant patrol]

Ryzen 7 3700x

[potent portal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354516559098

That's the official Arctic eBay page. Their B stock carries full warranty term and support.

That's also one of the only models of AIO to have an offset bracket mount that is designed for Zen 2 and higher processors, like yours.

[buoyant patrol]

That’s nice and convenient too, thank you! I’ll look into it

[potent portal]

They'll have RGB options and different sizes on their store page too

[cyan ravine]

they've been low in price lately due to a recall over clogging

but functionally they're supposed to be somewhat decent, definitely the LF2 is a better choice

[buoyant patrol]

Hm, i see. I keep hearing about that recall. I’m gonna go with the liquid freezer II

[cyan ravine]

lf2 is good, it uses a much thicker radiator to brute force good performance

just make sure it fits in your case, some cases don't like a thick rad

[potent portal]

Plus that offset mount is good for about 4C on its own

[cyan ravine]

others tubes are too stiff to bend

but it's functionally great

[potent portal]

tmw 240 is more expensive than 280 https://www.ebay.com/itm/354449295102

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

size doesn't matter moment

[little osprey]

Being silly dude, it's alr.

[eternal sonnet]

wanna build a beast gaming pc AMD or Intel?

[potent portal]

You'll get a better answer in a couple days once AMD launches their new processors

As it stands with currently available parts, Intel

[eternal sonnet]

they dropped videos on how it compares not looking good

[potent portal]

Until it's coming from a source I trust I take it with a grain of salt

The things I have seen though put the 7950X3D at about a 5% advantage over the 13900k and a little less over the ks. But again, early unreliable sources.

[eternal sonnet]

any recommendation's on AIOS

[potent portal]

For a top tier system probably LS720/LT720 or a liquid freezer II 420

VRM fan on the LF2 does help in some cases with high end parts

But the LS/LT720 has the best performance on Intel LGA1700 right now

[eternal sonnet]

@potent portal which board ?

[potent portal]

Depends on processor choice

[eternal sonnet]

amd

[potent portal]

Probably a B650E board and not X670E because you're probably never going to use the extra features

Asus ROG STRIX B650E-F would be my choice in a no limits build

[eternal sonnet]

no limits?

[potent portal]

It's an expensive board no doubt but I feel it's high end without being too wasteful

I'm an overclocker though so I'd actually take advantage of the high end features

And by "no limits" I mean a build with no set budget intended to be a high end monster

[eternal sonnet]

whats your specs?

[potent portal]

5800X, 32gb b-die, and a 3080 ti

You can see my full specs in my profile

I've added more memory since then but that's all

[little osprey]

Is the asus z790-i a good itx motherboard I keep reading this reviews of people having 2 doa so I worry they make crappy boards and the z790-i is garbage

I'm doing a 4070 ti and z790i strix build using the xproto l case

And I worry

[obsidian wigeon]

Failures are bound to happen on anything, and the chances are generally very low

I wouldn't worry about going for it

It's just that once someone makes a review of it coming DOA, it makes things look so much worse

Unless there's hundreds of reviews and half of them are like dead

[cyan ravine]

better off getting the z790 i edge

I know people who have used it and have had real trouble getting any decent ram performance from it

meanwhile z690i unify and z790i edge will happily run whatever ddr5 you will stick into it

also that strix is expensive, you'll probably gain enough extra from going down to the edge to upgrade the gpu to something better like a XTX

[verbal plover]

Should you aim for a balance between intake and exhaust, or generally just more intake?

[cyan ravine]

generally more intake is better but depending on the case some like to be more negative pressure will others more positive to run the proper airflow pattern

[verbal plover]

me trying to understand this

I plan on doing my first pc build in like 1-2 months so I'll probably have alot of questions about all those small things that go into the motherboard, thats the main thing that confuses me rn. Trying to go in prepared tho

[cyan ravine]

positive (intake)
negative (exhaust)

well generally first pc's use a standard case

which prefer more positive

[verbal plover]

Do most ATX mid tower cases fit 4090's and shiz?

[cyan ravine]

alr let me ask you first

what size monitor will you want to use

what can you fit

[verbal plover]

Uh

prob two 27"'s

[cyan ravine]

You'd want a 4070Ti at most then

buying a 4090 you wouldn't be able to use the full power of it on a 27" or 2

so you'd buy it then only use maybe 70% of it

[verbal plover]

well

what if its like

4k 27"

[cyan ravine]

no point

1440p 27" is far better value for the almost exact same experience

you go 4K for 32" or more

less and the pixels are so small on the screen you couldn't really tell the difference

[verbal plover]

0_0 I haven't seen either in person so I wouldn't know

[cyan ravine]

between 4k and 1440p

is all good

hence me asking lol

[obsidian wigeon]

4k 27 is also harder to find cause it's not popular due to it being expensive and not big enough to benefit such res

[cyan ravine]

a 4070ti is hella good for what it is

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[verbal plover]

I just know I've been using 1080p for a while and I want to upgrade everything

is 1440 a big difference?

[obsidian wigeon]

it's faster than 3090

[cyan ravine]

yeah 1440p is a huge upgrade over 1080p

[obsidian wigeon]

4090 would be a bottleneck to any cpu

[cyan ravine]

honestly at 27" it's great

[obsidian wigeon]

even at 4k sometimes

[cyan ravine]

for 2 27" monitors

[obsidian wigeon]

um, i meant cpu bottlenecking the gpu lol

[cyan ravine]

I'd do either 2x HP X27Q

or an older G9

depending how much you'd splash

G9 isn't cheap tho

[verbal plover]

Aight I'll prob go for a 1440p, and use my current 1080p as 2nd mon

[cyan ravine]

ye that'll be good tbh

use what you can

4070Ti down to like, 6900XT is what I'd suggest for that sort of monitor setup

is this just for games?

we can impart some relative advice rn before you build it in a couple months

[verbal plover]

I'm gonna have a pretty high budget so I just wanna get something I'm not gonna have to upgrade for a long time, and yeah games. ALSO streaming though

[cyan ravine]

so prolly 32 to 64gb

usually 32 is fine

[verbal plover]

64 it is

[cyan ravine]

streaming? 13600K

hell even 12600K is good

more than enough for that much

[verbal plover]

Any recommended cpu coolers?

[cyan ravine]

uh

12600K you could do a uh, LS520

hang on I did a build like this yesterday

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FD8yC6

basically this

maybe a different case if you wanted one

[verbal plover]

hmm

[cyan ravine]

it's a small form factor pc

so think like, console size

but way more powerful

you'd be doing basically the same in a regular case with some slight changes

[verbal plover]

True

[cyan ravine]

but the market at this point in time makes going to this size basically 20-30$

which is normally quite difficult lol

but it'd stream it'd run whatever you wanted at 1440p

the monitor would be most of the time capped to the limit

as long as you pick like ultra settings

[verbal plover]

Thanks for the advice I'll prob have more questions if I think of them

[cyan ravine]

[old merlin]

PC 3600 CL16 32GB vs. PC 3600 CL18 64GB Does the CL matter much?

[south cliff]

You don’t need 64 gb unless your doing something that really needs it

It’s very overkill

[old merlin]

I got that now about CL.

[south cliff]

Cl 16 is better

[old merlin]

heh

[south cliff]

But it won’t be a really big difference

If 32 gb is cheaper I would go with that

[old merlin]

I might be able to get some 64gb for like $110 and the 32 is $74 So it would be double and never have to think about memory

I read the CL rating though and was wondering

[south cliff]

I mean you can get 32 gb of ram for like 50 if I’m not mistaken but what kinda ram is it?

[old merlin]

Gskill

[south cliff]

Ah nvm it’s 62

Show me

[fossil cedar]

not a huge amount, usually its not worth the price diff

but yeah if youre just gaming, 32 is plentyyyyy

[old merlin]

I was testing some games do use like 20 and if you have browser windows up in the BG it can get pretty close.

[south cliff]

No

There is a few games that take that much

[old merlin]

a few becomes a few more this year then the majority next year

[south cliff]

No

It will take like 3-5 years for 32 gb to be the standard

Or even longer

[mossy venture]

If you're gaming, 32gb is plenty

[obsidian wigeon]

imo 16 is already getting tight

32 is great for many many years to come

3-5 years estimate is too long for 16

[fast plinth]

Is removing the glass covering the fans on my pc beneficial? The only airflow from them are from the side vents

[fossil cedar]

yes

[fast plinth]

okay

im talking abt the glass like on the deepcool mattrexx 50 3f

[cyan ravine]

Really taking any glass panel off like 90% of the time makes it better

[fast plinth]

the one im talking abt isnt a "panel"

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Even the main one

[fast plinth]

okay

[cyan ravine]

But I mean, preference thing

What's your specs?

[fast plinth]

i5-12400f
3060ti

[cyan ravine]

You have a custom cpu cooler or stock

[fast plinth]

stock

[cyan ravine]

Honestly in that case, maybe you'll see 1-2% at most taking the panels off

For the gpu if anything

[fast plinth]

so not too much benefit

[cyan ravine]

Unless that case feels like really hot inside yeah

It helps for builds that are quite high power

But for somewhat a 400W system nah not really

[fast plinth]

okay thanks

one more question

[cyan ravine]

Much nicer keeping the dust out with the panels on imo

[fast plinth]

would it help by getting new case fans

[fast plinth]

yesa

[fast plinth]

and maybe cpu cooler

[cyan ravine]

The matrexx has molex fans iirc

Cpu cooler sure

Cheapest single tower you can find

Gammax 400, se 214 xt

Something like that

[fast plinth]

okay

[cyan ravine]

The molex fans you could replace with arctic p12s but I mean

Call it a preference thing tbh

If they sound loud sure, you could quiet the system down

[fast plinth]

yep

tysm

[cyan ravine]

But perf wise not much to be said really

Or heck changing case to something functionally better

Like a bitfenix nova mesh

Or g360a/p360a

Those come with fans preinstalled

And not molex

[fast plinth]

yea i would like to do that, but it would be a lot of work since its a prebuilt and all the wires are zip tied and stiff

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