building-and-recc-chat

[fallow jolt]

I bought all the parts form Microcenter

At least I have my laptop until tomorrow

[limber oyster]

That's a while ago

Also, I went to Microcenter myself just this past Thursday

Was not worth it

[fallow jolt]

It’s so so far from me so I rarely go

[limber oyster]

Mines 4 hours there, 4 hours back

[fallow jolt]

All the way in Orange County

I’m 1 hour to and 1 hour back depending on traffic

[limber oyster]

Lucky

[fallow jolt]

I wish fry’s was still around tho. That’s like the best and funnest

[limber oyster]

But yeah, bought a case that I can't use rn

[fallow jolt]

I rarely buy stuff from Amazon. Their packaging is to use air

[limber oyster]

Spent $400 on a case and 9 fans

[fallow jolt]

All of my Blu-ray boxes and other stuff is always horribly dented

[limber oyster]

I never had issues with Amazon honestly

[fallow jolt]

Maybe it’s based on location

[limber oyster]

Even in their small flimsy packages

Maybe

[fallow jolt]

Amazon used to be super well packaged back in like 2015

Now it’s terrible packaging

[limber oyster]

Maybe your guys suck

[fallow jolt]

They don’t get paid enough so they take their anger on us

[limber oyster]

They get paid more than me 🤷‍♂️

[fallow jolt]

I work for free as an intern

[limber oyster]

I have 5 job position responsibilities but only get paid for one

[fallow jolt]

[limber oyster]

Yep

[fallow jolt]

Man this is gonna a giant pain to replug all the cables in later… my pc is like a rat’s nest

I blame Corsair RGB cables

[cyan ravine]

Less rgb = more better

[empty pollen]

you dont need to do cable management if you dont like it xD, you can always slap the cover and forget the whole thing

[limber oyster]

My micro-atx build

That's not my big water cool build

[cyan ravine]

Uh

[empty pollen]

this is mine :3

[cyan ravine]

Isn't the pump in the cpu block on those

[limber oyster]

Yes

That's my build on its back

Normally the rad is at the top

[cyan ravine]

Confusion

Rad on bottom?

[limber oyster]

Top

I just said that

[cyan ravine]

Upside down?

[limber oyster]

It's an upside down case

[cyan ravine]

Oh ok

Well the pic was posted sideways it was very confusing

[limber oyster]

Yee

That's just how I had it laid actually

I will be doing a vertical mount too

Just need to get different 90° adapters since the ones I have don't fit the card

[delicate flame]

@earnest olive

[earnest olive]

@delicate flame

[cyan ravine]

@cyan ravine

[delicate flame]

nvm

i forgot

[earnest olive]

this is what you pinged me for

[delicate flame]

which one is better

[earnest olive]

I'm in bed

[delicate flame]

oh

mb

u werent offline

so i thought

[earnest olive]

we literally had this conversation yesterday

[delicate flame]

yes

but the 3200 is cheaper

[earnest olive]

...

[delicate flame]

and its also 32gb

[cyan ravine]

Which cpu

[earnest olive]

5600

get the 3600c18

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 3600

[delicate flame]

okay

also

since ur in bed

fish fungers

i have a question

will the case i get come with fans

and like water cooling

or do i have to build it myself

[cyan ravine]

Idk

[delicate flame]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/F96p99/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-03

[cyan ravine]

I just joined this conversation

It'll come with fans iirc

And ofc you'll need to build it

[delicate flame]

build it

how

do i need to buy extra stuff

[cyan ravine]

When we make lists here usually you should have everything to get using said lists

[delicate flame]

whats a said list

[cyan ravine]

Pcpartpicker list

[delicate flame]

yeah i have one

yeah but for the accesories

do i need to buy case fans

[cyan ravine]

No

[obsidian wigeon]

that case comes packed full of fans

enough to cool anything

[little osprey]

hi fam

[limber oyster]

Factory error

[ornate condor]

Lmao

[limber oyster]

Exploded while plugged into the GPU

[olive cypress]

lol

[obsidian wigeon]

the heck is that cable

usb?

[olive cypress]

Display port

I don't think graphics card have usb type a connectors

[languid nimbus]

Damn son

I’d send that 3080 back lol

[olive cypress]

It's not probably about the graphics card, it more like dp that has the clips you have to squeeze before removing

If you don't that happens ^^

It could have also been some bad quality cable

[fallow jolt]

Got the new power supply to replace my dead one

[elfin slate]

anyone know a gpu vertical mount for the RTX 4090 and for the Lian li XL case

[red dragon]

Anyone have any ideas on best bang for buck for mobo and processor upgrade? Probably ram too... friend is on an fx6300 and needs something modern lol

[frigid night]

What use case? Gaming?

[red dragon]

Yeah nothing crazy though

1080p gaming

[red dragon]

Toughest game he's running is rdr2, otherwise it's nothing too bad

[frigid night]

I think best value cpu atm if just gaming and not wanting to get crazy is a 12100f. They are $106 and perform really well in most games.

[mossy venture]

Yeah, if he absolutely needs it cheaper look at used

[frigid night]

ebay has one for $84 atm

[mossy venture]

3600, 10400f, 10100f, 12100f,11400f for used Market

[red dragon]

I was going to recommend used on at least the ram since I know that tends to be fairly safe

[mossy venture]

3300x for absolute cheapest I would say

[frigid night]

10105f is a good budget cpu. can reg find them for $75 on ebay.

[mossy venture]

Ram, if going 3300x/3600/ whatever other amd cpu you could find for cheap that's 3000 series or newer, go for a 3600c18 kit

Otherwise 3200c16 kit

[frigid night]

ram is cheap anyways.

[mossy venture]

Can buy one new for $40

16gb kit*

Mobo, depends on specific cpu

Likely just whatever cheapest b450/b550 for amd, and cheapest b560 or h610/b660 for 10th/11th gen or 12th gen

[earnest olive]

fx6300... tell him I'm so sorry for the suffering he has endured these past few years

[mossy venture]

^

Cannot be a fun experience

[fossil cedar]

as a previous fx6300 owner i endorce this statement

[earnest olive]

I never owned one

but I used to game and run a server simultaneously on a slightly worse cpu

(i5-2430M)

[red dragon]

Apparently he already has ddr4 ram so he might be good there

[mossy venture]

what speed/timings?

[cyan ravine]

Wow based team red enjoyer

[red dragon]

Some 3200 so it's decent probs being hamstrung by the mobo and processor

[fallow jolt]

Woo I fixed the entire PC now. Doesn’t look like the dead PSU fried my other components

Let’s hope this Corsair PSU last longer

[empty pollen]

should be

[mossy venture]

nice, congrats

glad it didn't take anything with it, and what psu is it?

[jagged ember]

Hell yeah man, glad everything is fine! Same question though, what model PSU from Corsair?

[potent portal]

[earnest olive]

are you sure he’s running an fx6300 bc that ram is not compatible with the fx6300

fx6300 is strictly ddr3

[cyan ravine]

As a p(ot)ato

[fallow jolt]

My old one or this new one?

[fallow jolt]

Old PSU that died was Seasonic focus GX 650

[ornate condor]

How's this psu https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-pure-power-1000w-1000-w/p/1HU-004H-000S1?Description=12VHPWR&cm_re=12VHPWR-_-9SIA68VJJ74570-_-Product

[jagged ember]

it'll definitely last you longer than your old seasonic focus

[leaden raft]

i know this is hard, but what could be causing about a click a second on my pc? like its slower than a fan but idk what it is

[potent portal]

It could still be a fan. Often a wire slightly rubbing on one.

[red dragon]

Thats what I thought too

Im 99% sure thats the case because his best CPU upgrade would be like the fx8030 or something like that

[potent portal]

FX 9590 actually

Completely not worth upgrading to though

[limber oyster]

I had fun with my brothers PC today

[limber oyster]

Fake

She'll help you get 47,000 but then charge you $100,000

[fossil cedar]

How dare you out me like this

[languid nimbus]

[limber oyster]

Welp, I think my GPU AIO just died

[jagged ember]

And I'll help you hear this message from our sponsor, Linode

[topaz flame]

Does any one know about a sff cases that support 4x240mm rads

[mossy venture]

The two I'd check just off the top of my head are o11d and y60

I'm not saying they will though, just the two I know of that I'd say are worth checking

[topaz flame]

I'm looking for something smaller

[little osprey]

Looking for some budget case fans, don’t need RGB, would prefer if they’re in black, gonna put them in a Phanteks P300A, only need two 120mm’s or 140mm’s

I would like to stay under $20

[mossy venture]

P12s or p14s

All day every day

[weary galleon]

Arctic p12 pwm pst

[little osprey]

Hmmmmm

[little osprey]

Are those the cheapest I’m gonna get without buying garbage?

[weary galleon]

Theres probably some ok options at a slightly lower price but the p12s will be wayyy better

[mossy venture]

^

P12s some of the best fans on the market while being cheaper than most competition

[little osprey]

Alright I’ll take your word for it, I appreciate it

[haughty void]

Anyone able to help with this case

Also

2x240

Not 4

She doesn't listen well lol

[coarse coral]

[empty pollen]

[mossy venture]

Pretty sure o11 can fit 2

[haughty void]

Is it small

That's the thing

We need small

011 mini

: 🤔

[mossy venture]

Small which way

Like, a small box, do you need it short, do you need it short length wise

[haughty void]

Like shoet

Short

Really hard to explain

I have the n400 currently

She has it I mean

I need something taller than that

Twice height works

Doesn't need to have windows

Same length would be nice

Small space on her desk to work with

[raw yacht]

anyone have Deepcool AK620 on an X670E who could take pics? Checking clearance issues

[empty pollen]

shouldn't have clearance issues, those mobos have standardized clearances

[ornate condor]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145416?Description=Z790 DDR5&cm_re=Z790_DDR5-_-13-145-416-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-z790-a-wifi/p/N82E16813119601?Description=z790 prime&cm_re=z790_prime-_-13-119-601-_-Product

which mobo is better

[fossil cedar]

id get the aero

[ornate condor]

I'm not a gigabutt fan but it looks alright

[leaden mauve]

gigglefart

[ornate condor]

Why they don't have cpu_pump header as asus

[haughty void]

@fossil cedar halp lol

[leaden mauve]

no need for one

[ornate condor]

it's much better than plugging it to cpu fan header and max speed in bios

[fossil cedar]

wit wat

[fossil cedar]

probably called like cpu_opt or something

[haughty void]

Above

[ornate condor]

Nvm it have pump header but away from cpu fan header lol

[fossil cedar]

Weird place

[ornate condor]

Yeah aorus boards have it at bottom right lol . Most pump cables can't reach there

[tepid roost]

@potent portal @cyan ravine following your suggestions on gpu was not the play

amd has been the worst driver experience ever

constantly needing to update or ddu

either my games stutter or my 2nd monitor freaks out or my whole pc just stutters every few minutes

[cyan ravine]

I mean tbh we've tried a lot of the steps at least as far as I can remember. Maybe it's time to RMA the gpu or take it back and swap for something else

Like if you did "/sfc scannow" in administrator command prompt and the pc found corrupted files then you could at least somewhat rule the gpu out

Idk what else to really say, unless you have something like an 4KHz/8KHz polling rate mouse or some other software is just really buggy

I'm at this point as equally confused about this as we've done as far as I can remember most steps out of the playbook

[haughty perch]

Hey been looking into getting a PC or gaming laptop under 700$ perferably 500-600$ if thats possible any recommendations

[tepid roost]

yeah

I have the Razer Viper Ultimate @cyan ravine btw

but it's never caused this issue so I seriously doubt that's the case

[cyan ravine]

then I really don't know

[tepid roost]

no corrupted files either

temps have been fine

[cyan ravine]

If you check the psu is wired up right, rma it, at this point we've physically replaced and checked everything

[tepid roost]

cpu temps anywhere from 60 to 80 under load and 30s idle

rma?

[cyan ravine]

warranty it

[tepid roost]

ok

mobo isn't the issue correct?

or possibly*

[cyan ravine]

idk did you rma it already?

[tepid roost]

no

[cyan ravine]

or swap it for a new one

could be the mobo?

just start rma'ing things you haven't replaced yet

[tepid roost]

bro

all the parts are too old to do so

[cyan ravine]

or comb your system for software that you haven't uninstalled

[tepid roost]

the mobo I bought from a friend

the ram ssd and hdd I've had for quite a while

same with the case

maybe I should hard reset my pc?

[cyan ravine]

have you tried running on a fresh install for a while?

with no other software

[tepid roost]

no other software such as what

things like steam and other stuff?

I wouldn't be able to tell if there was issues probably if I did that

[cyan ravine]

razer corsair background stuff like teams discord wallpaper engine etc

[tepid roost]

I can close everything

[cyan ravine]

just running games on a blank install

no

blank install

closed is not the same

[tepid roost]

tho the only thing I have open besides steam is discord in the first place

also

it seems to happen everytime I put my pc to sleep and then come home from work or the next day there's some kind of issue

and restarting my pc usually fixes it

[cyan ravine]

If these issues occur on a blank install I'm honestly out of ideas software wise

[tepid roost]

maybe it's just the mobo dying tbh

[cyan ravine]

with the mobo and psu replaced there really will be nothing else to say could be broken

[tepid roost]

rgb fan isn't working anymore and other stuff was being a pain when I first installed everything

I haven't replaced the mobo

I never said I did either

[cyan ravine]

we've really exhausted our help here we aren't trying to mislead you

[tepid roost]

no I know it just so happens to be the case that when I listened to you guys things turned out this way even though it's not your guy's fault lol

[cyan ravine]

well because this isn't normal pc behaviour lol

[tepid roost]

Im tempted to just replaced the mobo at this rate and if the issue persists then look into replacing the gpu

[cyan ravine]

I really doubt it's the gpu if the warranty was unsuccessful

[tepid roost]

warranty?

Im confused by that

[cyan ravine]

have you rma'd the gpu?

[tepid roost]

What is RMA

as in replaced the gpu with a new one from newegg ?

or something different

[cyan ravine]

Return merchandise authorisation

you send it back to be checked for warranty

[tepid roost]

no I haven't

[cyan ravine]

try RMA'ing the gpu then

[tepid roost]

that would take how long ?

[cyan ravine]

like fr try a blank install with your games, if that's fruitless, RMA literally everything you can under the sun

idk, depends on the manufacturer

some can turn around in a week, others can take weeks and weeks

[tepid roost]

sounds easier to just ask for a replacement

[cyan ravine]

but you don't lose money by doing it

well they'll make you do the warranty check anyway

[tepid roost]

since when

[cyan ravine]

pretty normal merchant practice

[spring hedge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vLwHFg is this a good build?

[cyan ravine]

to make sure the claim something's broken is genuine

[cyan ravine]

it's not bad, let me touch it up a little

[spring hedge]

ok

[cyan ravine]

@spring hedge can you afford $50 more

[spring hedge]

yeah i guess

[tepid roost]

so I have to give asrock a list of my whole pc set up ?

[cyan ravine]

actually hang on

[spring hedge]

its fine

[cyan ravine]

that psu can be cheaper give me another couple minutes

[obsidian wigeon]

felix at work making stonks builds

[cyan ravine]

ok $50 more expensive but wouldn't change anything @spring hedge

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YDRCRv

[obsidian wigeon]

i would just skip buying win license

[cyan ravine]

If they want it yes

[obsidian wigeon]

but i can't say it

[tepid roost]

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[cyan ravine]

I tried having a look but everything seems to be more expensive rn, maybe someone else can help with this?

[tepid roost]

@cyan ravineso yeah I guess so

not sure the easiest way to get majority of that stuff

my hdd and os stuff I have no idea

[cyan ravine]

crystaldiskinfo for your storage

uhhh I usually read off of everything else

[tepid roost]

wth are these themes on this lmao

[cyan ravine]

hwinfo64 will tell you cpu, ram and ram speed, gpu

even ssd name

mobo as well

[tepid roost]

ok

hwinfo64 shows my hdd as well

[cyan ravine]

for XTX yes

I'm slightly cpu bound on my i9

[tepid roost]

what is the fsb for my cpu

[cyan ravine]

fsb???

like dram fsb??

what speed is your ram

[tepid roost]

it asks for my cpu fsb

3200mhz

[cyan ravine]

1:16

[tepid roost]

CPU/Processor (Brand,Speed, FSB,Cache Size)

[cyan ravine]

is your fsb

[tepid roost]

cache size I put 32mb cause that's what it say

[cyan ravine]

that's your dram fsb anyway

fsb???

[tepid roost]

?

how would I know

[cyan ravine]

it's a weird question for an RMA

lol

[obsidian wigeon]

no need to provide fsb if you can't

[cyan ravine]

I'd give them ram FSB

1:16

[obsidian wigeon]

it's probably asrock being asrock lol

[tepid roost]

I just put FSB 1:16

guess I should specify it for ram rather than cpu

where would I find the os and driver

obvious what my os is but what does driver mean for this

[tepid roost]

@cyan ravineI emailed them so hopefully it won't take too long for a response and once I send it off hopefully it won't take forever either

if the warranty is unsuccessful once the whole thing is done and it's not the gpu then I guess I'm gonna rma the cpu tho I'll see if that's the issue when I rma the gpu and use my 1060 3gb

I guess if it was the cpu I'd find out while the gpu is gone so if it's not then I guess a new mobo it is

@cyan ravinequestion tho

I wanna look at my gpu usage during games and see if it dips when my game stutters

if it does would that mean something?

[potent portal]

I'd give them chipset driver version

[tepid roost]

uh

idk if I did

Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64Bit/Version 21H2/OS Build 19044.2486. is what I put for the os

[cyan ravine]

I mean if it's basically locked at 90%+ generally no

[tepid roost]

yyeah

[cyan ravine]

You can check with task manager

[tepid roost]

ye Im using msi afterburner

[cyan ravine]

Or more reliably with gpu-z

Or yeah afterburner works

[tepid roost]

rocket league isn't a good way to test but also for some reason apex legends and Elden ring sometimes don't lag at all

only rocket league and brawlhalla sometimes

@potent portalbro

my pcs audio will cut out twice and my pc will just lag

every minute or so sometimes longer sometimes shorter it will just lag and audio cut once and then a few seconds later do it again

[potent portal]

We're all pretty stumped at this point, we were talking about you earlier. There's only a few common factors left.
My theory is a bad/false ground but that's really hard to test for without special equipment.

[tepid roost]

badground would be on the gpu?

or something else

[potent portal]

The wall outlet, or even the fuse box

[tepid roost]

uh

[potent portal]

Noise on the ground because of poor installation practices will definitely cause audio crackle

[tepid roost]

yeah it's not that

it's been perfectly ok thus far

2400 watts plenty enough on the circuit for my pc cause nothing else in my room takes much

as for the box Idk

[cyan ravine]

Having plenty of power available and having dirty power are two very different things

You can validate this by trying to use the pc in another room. If it's perfectly fine? It's dirty power

[tepid roost]

yes but also no popping no nothing like so

I have a heater in my room

[cyan ravine]

Doesn't need to have popping or unusual behaviour

Not trying to press this too much but we are really running short of ideas on our end

[haughty void]

@fossil cedarbasically earlier i was looking for a case for gf pc something small but will work with 240mm aio and a 3080ti hybrid 240 aio toohttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/ballads/saved/zKymCJ hoping to find something smaller than this... currently we have the nr400 and i was looking for something that width and length but height doesnt matter.

[tepid roost]

so why would a ground issue only happen now @cyan ravine

not with all my previous pc parts and stuff

the power consumption hardly different and the eletrical work was all done recently

[cyan ravine]

Like I said, we're grasping at straws

It's worth a shot anyway

I can't explain it reasonably but it can often lead to different behaviour if power's involved

[haughty void]

@cyan ravine any ideas

my wall of text lol

also open to changing cooler and making a smaller case work

[tepid roost]

Fish

I can't think of what to do to fix my ground issue

besides rerunning wire

which is money and annoying

[cyan ravine]

Indeed, I don't have a better answer for that one

But you said you recently did work there so I doubt it's the case

[haughty void]

another way to test

[cyan ravine]

But I don't really know what else it could be

[haughty void]

if you have a freinds house

go there and see if it does it

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

[haughty void]

if it does its the pc

if not then your house is the issue

[cyan ravine]

Or we could again try a blank windows install and see if it happens while gaming on that

@haughty void have a look and see if the meshroom S could fit

[haughty void]

what in sanhell

i dont think that will work tbh

sinc eits a hybrid card

[cyan ravine]

Hm ok

[haughty void]

maybe too close

its an aio and hybrid

[cyan ravine]

Lian li dan a4 maybe if it's able to fit an atx psu

[tepid roost]

fish

I seriously doubt it's the wiring in my outlet

[haughty void]

that would work if the card wasnt hybrid :/

[cyan ravine]

@tepid roost

Like again, I really don't want to say it is, but I'm about out of ideas

[tepid roost]

yeah I'd rather Rma it first before messing with that

[haughty void]

mcflurry

[cyan ravine]

Alr

[tepid roost]

even just a 25ft roll of 12/2 is way too much

[haughty void]

try bringing to friends house or family member

and test there

explaining whats going on

[tepid roost]

I did the eletrical work with 2 old co workers from my eletrical job

[haughty void]

and then see if it happens

[tepid roost]

yes I will try that when I can

[haughty void]

cause it would be a big pita if you were to rma and find out it wasnt the issue

[tepid roost]

yeah it'd be annoying but I'll also find out before it's even back when I use my other gpu instead

that'll let me know whether it's the gpu or if it's the cpu/outlet

also I will try a new install of windows just because what the hell

as it is the only other suggestions I've gotten besides rmaing reinstalling windows and outlet/box wiring are just dduing pretty much

Idk if that's all there is or something someone forgot or whatever but I'll try the windows reinstall first

I can even switch my gpu to my 1060 3gb and ddu before I send my 6700xt off for an rma if need be

that would be easier tbh

[haughty void]

all i know im trying to look at cases and a few look amazing then you check clearences and NOPE

[tepid roost]

that way if it's not the gpu which tbh it most likely is I can avoid rma

[cyan ravine]

We've not really forgot anything at this point

[tepid roost]

I really doubt the eletrical is just magically messed up as soon as I install new pc parts

Alright I just wanted to make sure

we shall see then

I'll try my other gpu first

and if the issue persists I'll try a new install of windows

and if even then I'll take care of the wiring issue

[haughty void]

@cyan ravine RAIJINTEK OPHION EVO Mini

https://www.raijintek.com/en/products_detail.php?ProductID=112

[tepid roost]

also I'll make sure all of my power stuff is properly plugged in when I change the gpu out

[haughty void]

its also got atx psu support

hmm

Maximum CPU cooler height up to 82mm
but ill need help finding something like that

for the 5800x

[cyan ravine]

Ngl that case looks functional and decent

[tepid roost]

does that sound fine Fish?

[cyan ravine]

Bottom aio would need pump in rad tho

Sure

[haughty void]

the way we would need to do is hybrid card which would put the rad at top

[tepid roost]

something not plugged in properly psu wise could possibly cause this correct?

just curious

[haughty void]

and then proceed to swap cpu cooler with something else

rad goes on top

[cyan ravine]

A backwards psu cable could but something would've truly broken by now I think

[tepid roost]

ok

[cyan ravine]

Loose cable...maybe???

[tepid roost]

I don't see why not

I'll try that now

let you know what happens

[cyan ravine]

You could prolly go smaller if you wanted to go that route

With a new cpu cooler

Like phanteks evolv shift xt

[haughty void]

anything is possible

[cyan ravine]

I'm not good with sff tho cos I can never remember which ones take atx psus

Nr200p might work??

[haughty void]

we have the nr200

but i wanted to use atx psu

i currently have a 750w i think

give uno secondo

[cyan ravine]

Nr200p I think is slightly different

Iirc

[haughty void]

oh crap wait

[cyan ravine]

Actually

Jonsbo have some good cases too

[haughty void]

its a 600w

XD

[cyan ravine]

Rip

[haughty void]

so my sff psu is bad

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[haughty void]

low wattage

[cyan ravine]

Not bad just not suited

[haughty void]

i like the shift and amanda does too

[cyan ravine]

Shift fit atx psu?

[haughty void]

no

but we can deal with that

[cyan ravine]

Le sadge

[haughty void]

use a sfx psu

[cyan ravine]

Oooo

[haughty void]

either way i gotta get a new psu

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=123-GM-0850-X1&associatecode=PCPartPicker

how is this psu?

[cyan ravine]

Not for that price no way

Cooler master V850 SFX gold

Look that one up

150 iirc

[haughty void]

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-v850-sfx-gold-mpy-8501-sfhagv-us-850w/p/N82E16817171170?Item=N82E16817171170

[cyan ravine]

Oos

I am cri

[haughty void]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08LP6WS35?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

amazon is fine

gf is buying stuff she doesnt care about time it takes

this all for her lol

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that's a good one

[haughty void]

🆗

any idea how many fans that case comes with

[cyan ravine]

No clue

Reuse or grab p12's if you need more

I know it takes 120's

So a 240 rad will def fit

[haughty void]

i have 1 p12 in my house

i think so

idkw how it will like hybrid gpu tho

:/

[cyan ravine]

Gpu goes on the other side

Dual chamber

Hopefully the tubes aren't a gross length

[haughty void]

Height: 5.43 in - 137.8 mm

i wish i could find someone using this for a hybrid card

:/

[cyan ravine]

Try looking around places like reddit for builds using your combo

Sffpc discord might also know

[haughty void]

ugh idk man

i dont wanna have to go to a million different places

[cyan ravine]

I wish I knew more to help lol

[haughty void]

i know

im trying to find someone who did a hybrid card

like i said i'd do aircooler

[cyan ravine]

Everyone I know who goes SFF tends to go down this path of major research

[haughty void]

if we could use the hybrid

[cyan ravine]

You could also look to see if bigger cards fit

40 series is very tall

[tepid roost]

@cyan ravine yo would it be wise to use the same pci cord for both plugs in the gpu or use separate or does it not matter

[cyan ravine]

Separate is generally much better

[haughty void]

@cyan ravine we are getting a 3080ti

lol

not 40 series

[cyan ravine]

Ehhhh

[tepid roost]

I'll do separate cause I had one pci PSU cord plugged in

Also why isn't my rgb on my fan working bruuuh

L fan

[cyan ravine]

No idea on that one

If it's plugged in and nothing then it's possible that the strip inside it is dead

Or maybe even the rgb header

[tepid roost]

idk

I'm really kinda leaning towards mobo at this point with all its knicks and knacks lol

between me abusing it

and the last owner heavily abusing it

bro burnt the usb 3.0 header

but idk if that explains all the issues or not

@cyan ravineif I have still have stutters tonight I'll try changing surge protectors and changing gpu

[potent portal]

If it's dirty power a surge protector won't do jack to help

[tepid roost]

Im saying maybe the surge protector the issue

not the possible dirty power

[potent portal]

Ah, yes that is also a possibility

One I've seen before but not too often

[cyan ravine]

Happened to me

LOL

[tepid roost]

it's possible lol

the one I'm using isn't recent by any mans

means&

[cyan ravine]

Btw Fal I never told you how that worked out

[tepid roost]

in fact it's probably like 10 years old lmao

I have a newer one sitting around somewhere collecting dust that's good

[cyan ravine]

I shifted my cables around, paperclip tested the psu, popped everything back in, never done it to me again

IT'S WEIRD

Idk what was happening

[tepid roost]

Fish

also

how would it be the ground?

Grounds have to do with surges not with power at all

the neutral being lose would cause me to not get power at all

and the negative the same

so it would make sense if it were my surge protector but my wiring/outlet makes zero sense

[potent portal]

What do you think is happening inside that PSU

[tepid roost]

Falcie it still doesn't mean it's the outlet itself

[potent portal]

1000 mini surges per second

[tepid roost]

it would be the psu/surge protector at that point

if the neutral was loose I wouldn't even get power in the first palce

place*

[cyan ravine]

Never mentioned the ground

Dirty power implies a dirty input

[tepid roost]

We're all pretty stumped at this point, we were talking about you earlier. There's only a few common factors left.
My theory is a bad/false ground but that's really hard to test for without special equipment. Falcie said that

[cyan ravine]

Oh that

Bad ground can imply like

You know what I don't really wanna try answer what I'm not the best on

[tepid roost]

Im talking to an eletrician as we speak lol

a bad outlet would've been fried by now or just not work at all

it doesn't make sense that the wiring/outlet is the issue

[potent portal]

Not if it's a false ground

[tepid roost]

but the surge protector is a possibility

[cyan ravine]

A false ground in a pc can be caused by cable bridging or arcing

[tepid roost]

Falcie explain better with the ground

do you mean a ground in the psu or something in the pc or do you mean the wiring

[nocturne cradle]

Quick question: 2080 with a 12900k, 32 gigs of ddr4 3600, would this be a bottleneck?

[tepid roost]

outlet stuff

cable bridging?

[potent portal]

Before you go that far you can get a tester, if changing the power strip doesn't work

[tepid roost]

you mean a plug tester to test the amps of the outlet

?

[potent portal]

There's always going to be a bottleneck somewhere, but that's a great setup for 1440p ultra

[tepid roost]

I can borrow from a friend but I doubt that's the problem cause I shouldn't even be able to be on my pc in the first place

surge protector is completely sensible tho

between the power difference between my previous set up and now and the fact that the surge protector is very old

[nocturne cradle]

kk thanks

[potent portal]

https://insideandoutpropertyinspectors.com/bootleg-grounds-everything-you-need-to-know/

[cyan ravine]

Any

[potent portal]

Without taking out the outlet to physically inspect the wiring testers that can find bad grounds are usually around $300

[tepid roost]

also cpu seems more likely than gpu also

Falcie I have access to a plug tester

[potent portal]

Bad grounds in particular will cause audio issues

[potent portal]

But does it detect false grounds? Simple $15 testers don't

[tepid roost]

sounds like your talking about a tictracer lol

[potent portal]

At any rate this is just what I'd look at next if changing the power bar doesn't work

[potent portal]

http://circuit-analyzer.com/

[tepid roost]

either way it's not that lmao

the one my friend has is good so I'll try that if the power bar and gpu change and other stuff doesn't work

but first I haven't even tried any games since making sure things were plugged in properly

also @cyan ravine is it possible that either one of the cords was loose and causing or that me separating the pci connection was the fix?

[cyan ravine]

Maybe

[tepid roost]

rocket league is running perfect rn

no stutters beside the initial launch into training so idk either it needs time to kill itself or that was it

shall see we

@cyan ravineI hate pc parts

it literally did it right after I sent the msg

also @cyan ravine it could be usb issues because in the past I had a razer taipan mouse that went bad and caused a similar issue cause it was shorting the usbs and some other stuff

[cyan ravine]

Possible

[tepid roost]

would explain the audio cutting out too since my headset is still plugged into my mic

my mic may be bad idk

[cyan ravine]

Audio cutting is audio driver related if it's using an audio cable instead of usb

Usb...idk I don't recall

[tepid roost]

it's going through usb because the mic is usb

my controller is also plugged in

which is possible

maybe a bad cord or something

nvm I played another game and had the issue without my controller plugged in so scratch that

also something to note is that this only started happening when I had to switch to using my headset on my mic and the 3.5mm wasn't working

3.5 could be drivers or the mobo?

mic/headset could be causing cause either the headset is messed up or the usb is messed up or something?

[potent portal]

Either tbh onboard audio is always iffy

[tepid roost]

yeah ik

the mobo can handle the parts I have right?

that shouldn't be an issue?

[potent portal]

I didn't realize the audio was through USB, that's not a bad ground then

[tepid roost]

that's good to hear

[potent portal]

Yes mobo is fine features wise

[tepid roost]

features wise and power wise?

I'd imagine just checking everything

maybe the board is just ready to die lol

[potent portal]

Power you only need to worry about when using top tier chips, r7/i7 or above, and even for those your board is good

[tepid roost]

ok good

so

since it's not the ground

Idk if it's the mic shorting stuff out because the pc lags but the kbm and controller work fine still I think

[cyan ravine]

Try no mic and headset?

[tepid roost]

ight

not like I wanted audio anyways ;\

[cyan ravine]

Hey man if the whole event turned out to be the peripherals I would be relieved more than anything lol

[tepid roost]

yeah same lol

would it be the headset or mic tho?

idc either way cause I want a new mic

this was from my brother cause he accidently bought two and it was close to 200 I think but it's not good at all for the price

and a usb/wireless headset would be nice soon

[cyan ravine]

Anything could surprise me at this point

[tepid roost]

not the mic and headset then

still happened

so at this point

I guess it's the cpu mobo or gpu or windows at this point?

I could ddu and switch my 1060 real quick but I'm kind of lazy to do so

switch to my 1060*

[cyan ravine]

You could

Then try the fresh windows

[tepid roost]

@potent portal would it still be my gpu if the audio was cutting out?

[potent portal]

It can be yes

[tepid roost]

I played risk of rain 2 and it didn't happen a single time

is it possibly just rocket league and brawlhalla having some file issues or something?

[potent portal]

It's entirely possible that it's just some sort of issue with specific games at this point

[tepid roost]

yea

because it hasn't happened a single time on ror2

apex either

idk about elden ring I haven't checked

at this point maybe just a hard reset and reinstall of windows would just be a good idea

[obsidian wigeon]

check audio bitrate settings in windows

it might be set too high, maybe

[tepid roost]

?

would that cause all of this?

[obsidian wigeon]

it could

i had popping issue with bitrate set too high

[potent portal]

Nothing is too outlandish at this point

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[tepid roost]

where do I do that

popping issue?

[obsidian wigeon]

audio settings

[tepid roost]

very specific

[obsidian wigeon]

which windows are you on?

[tepid roost]

10

[obsidian wigeon]

https://samsontech.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/1260802890449-Fix-Windows-10-sample-rate-mismatch-causing-garbled-audio

use this guide

[tepid roost]

garbled audio?

Im confused

is this for the stutters on games I've been having and audio cutting out or just audio issues?

[obsidian wigeon]

anything is worth trying at this point

if not then it's time to reinstall

[potent portal]

Those issues could be related or they could be from different issues entirely

[tepid roost]

what should it be at

and why would it only happen in rl and brawl what

but I'll try

[timber stump]

Hey y’all I don’t understand amd, as I was an Intel kid, but I’m trying to see what is the latest cpu to upgrade for my Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0

[tepid roost]

it's at 1 channel 24 bit 48k hz

[obsidian wigeon]

44100hz is best fit for gaming

[potent portal]

Different games will use different audio formats

[potent portal]

FX-9590

[obsidian wigeon]

aka crap cpu

[tepid roost]

ok nah that didn't work I don't think

[potent portal]

Literally worse than a first gen Ryzen 1500

[tepid roost]

my mic just started blinking like crazy

red

changed it back now it's fine

[obsidian wigeon]

apply then restart

changing sample rate messes with everything audio

[tepid roost]

restart what my pc?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[timber stump]

Can I upgrade my motherboard but keep all my parts to get me in Ryzen territory?

[potent portal]

Nope. Ryzen means you have to jump to DDR4 memory too.

[obsidian wigeon]

^

ddr4 ram is cheap these days

about 40 bucks for 16 gigs

5600 also fairly cheap

[potent portal]

You'd have to buy a new CPU, RAM, and mobo to do the platform upgrade

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4vvxcb

for quick n dirty reference

about 300 bucks to upgrade

[timber stump]

This is my streaming pc, I put the elgato 4k60 pro in there Saw later that it was only compatible with a ryzen 7

[potent portal]

Which R7

There's over a dozen

For reference that 5600 Foxy recommended is equal to a 3700X, which is vastly superior to any 2000 series

[sage forge]

Hey guys! I'm completely new to building my own PC, but I researched all the parts needed, i'm not sure if the components match up to work correctly. Would I be able to get some help? I miss being able to game without lag lol

[potent portal]

Plug the parts into https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ and it'll tell you if they'll work on a basic level

[obsidian wigeon]

pcpp will also help somewhat at least

[potent portal]

You can share the list here and we can tell you our recommendations too

[obsidian wigeon]

by listing boards that the cpu could physically fit in

and ram that could fit

[timber stump]

I meant to say it still works but the main issue I’m having with the pc is that it won’t stay asleep or hibernate

[tepid roost]

@obsidian wigeonno stutters so far on rocket league

[obsidian wigeon]

that's good

[timber stump]

I also got a blue screen at times for sc07610

[sage forge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rbPYDq

[tepid roost]

@obsidian wigeon uh for some reason when I opened apex legends it went into a lower res and now my youtube video sounds sped up but isn't

its like they have helium now for some reason

[potent portal]

What's the primary purpose of this system?

[sage forge]

gaming, streaming, and personal use

[potent portal]

Ok I'd wait a bit and get 7950X3D when it comes out at the end of this month

[tepid roost]

7950x kinda over kill lol

don't listen to me btw just my thoughts lol

[potent portal]

Not really. If anything it's weaker than Intel in gaming. X3D will change that.

[sage forge]

lol i figured get the best GPU and CPU and MB, upgrade the rest as I go

[tepid roost]

if you want the best gpu lol get a 4090

but that's borderline 2k itself lmao

[sage forge]

yeahhhhhh i'm noticing that lol, i'm tired of lagging in my system, i knew you guys could help! i've never built one before

[tepid roost]

@potent portal any idea why after I opened my game my youtube sounds sped up?

my mic is flashing red again maybe I should just restart my pc cause I didn't earlier when fox said to

[potent portal]

4080 or 7900XTX will handle 4k ultra at 120+ fps in almost everything

[tepid roost]

yer

Bro everything is higher pitched all of a sudden

@potent portal

[potent portal]

Reboot?

[tepid roost]

going to after match

[limber oyster]

https://www.aquatuning.us/AtsdCartSave/load/key/b6597c3aacbb497c5f4896f58c65162c good list for a cpu/gpu custom loop?

[potent portal]

@sage forge Here's what I'd go with for a 3k budget. Spends money where it needs to be for best bang for buck. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cqvmMb

7950X3D and 7900X3D go on sale the 28th

Either will do

[sage forge]

Thank you so much! i'm gonna check it out right now.

[potent portal]

Oh also no need to spend full retail price on a copy of Windows. Going price on resale market for 10 keys (works on 11 too) is about $25.

[sage forge]

oh sweet, that's awesome, thanks for the heads up

[jagged hill]

i've found some for as low as 10-15 usd

[potent portal]

Depends on where you look. I prefer the more reputable markets but if you're willing to compromise that there's deals.

I've seen as low as $5

[jagged hill]

right

i have a recent mobo and power supply being given to me soon of which the spec i don't know, although the latter might be optimal for a 10 series card, and a ryzen 3 coming back to me once i meet up with friends

i am building this one for my brother, who just finished building his house recently

my only question is, which gpu would work best with a ryzen 3 3200g, like a sweet spot?

yes i know this is a lower end cpu, but it can work for wiiu/ps3/360 and weaker

[potent portal]

Maybe a 1070. 3060 at most.

[jagged hill]

3060 not ti?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[potent portal]

Right

[jagged hill]

okay

the "base model"

[potent portal]

PS3 also requires a lot of power to run on the CPU so don't expect much there

[jagged hill]

maybe i'll pass on ps3/360

[potent portal]

My 5800X barely keeps up sometimes

[obsidian wigeon]

still crashes even on 5900x

ps3 emulation is expensive to run good

[jagged hill]

ps2, og xbox, everything nintendo?

[potent portal]

Yep that'll be decent

[obsidian wigeon]

that's much easier ya

[jagged hill]

even switch?

[potent portal]

Considering most of it is locked to 30fps

[jagged hill]

with a ryzen 3

[obsidian wigeon]

switch maybe

[jagged hill]

wiiu is safer bet

[obsidian wigeon]

modern console isn't easy on cpu to emulate

[potent portal]

Switch at native 720p res maybe

[jagged hill]

i don't even like a lot of modern games

pc or console

for pc i'd mostly put indie stuff on it from steam

not even newer aaa

[potent portal]

I agree
I just got my 5 year old hooked on Star Fox 64

[jagged hill]

maybe even wii u will be stressful?

[obsidian wigeon]

ooo star fox

[potent portal]

It's the Wii WAD version

[jagged hill]

since the wiiu is much stronger than the wii on native hardware, about on par with ps3

but i heard emulation got easier

[potent portal]

(I couldn't buy that now if I wanted to since the store is dead but I do own it legally anyway)

[jagged hill]

i honestly couldn't care less but i have to pretend like i do to avoid mr bing bing wahoo's wrath

and discord's

i'm chill about preservation

i lost a lot of stuff in a house fire in 2013 or so anyway

[potent portal]

Well the Wii U has about the same GFLOPs on the processor as the PS3 at least but the PowerPC processor is actually easier to emulate than the custom BS the PS3 had

[jagged hill]

right

[obsidian wigeon]

i wonder what bloat i should be removing while retaining everything from ms on win 11

[jagged hill]

ps3 was weird emulation or native

win11 ame?

[obsidian wigeon]

cause idle cpu usage is 30-40% on my laptop

[jagged hill]

emdollar...

that's a lot for idle cpu

are you using an hdd

[obsidian wigeon]

granted my cpu is old af lol

no im on ssd

[jagged hill]

okay good

just making sure

[potent portal]

8 core processor
1 core dedicated to the system menu at all times
1 core for audio
6 cores for games
And they all do parallel processing and texture loading REALLY weirdly

[obsidian wigeon]

i got 4710hq on this thang

[jagged hill]

yeah ps3 was weird for various reasons

even on native

[potent portal]

Devs HATED programming on PS3

[jagged hill]

didnt a lot of devs program stuff for 360 first

then ps3

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a wonder how tlou devs managed to bring out the most from ps3

[potent portal]

Bethesda took so long to release the Skyrim DLC that they ended up giving it away for free

[jagged hill]

at least ps4 is just a pc

[obsidian wigeon]

ran great and looked great

[jagged hill]

with a weird sony bsd distro?

oh

was about to say

[obsidian wigeon]

ps4 moved to amd

[jagged hill]

that's one of the few x86 non-m$ systems i've seen

[potent portal]

Saw the X and got defensive lol

[jagged hill]

what does xbox use

kekw

yeah...

[obsidian wigeon]

x86 too

[jagged hill]

nice

[potent portal]

Xbone series just uses a modified Windows x86

[obsidian wigeon]

xbox has always ran modified windows

[jagged hill]

i'm glad consoles moved towards that

even 360?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[jagged hill]

wasn't the 360 weird

with using a ppc architecture

or was it also x86_32 like the original

[potent portal]

Kinda weird but Apple used it too

[jagged hill]

i know apple did

then moved to arm

[potent portal]

Recently yeah

[jagged hill]

but arm needs time to catch on

elsewhere

[obsidian wigeon]

arm is solid on apple

[jagged hill]

mostly sbc's use it atm

[obsidian wigeon]

but anywhere you're limited to phones and sbcs

[jagged hill]

remember that mac that looked like a trash can

[potent portal]

M1 is without a doubt Apple's best innovation to date

[jagged hill]

eta prime found one and made something work lately

[obsidian wigeon]

m2 dropped the ball

idk how apple messed up

[jagged hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08uC7Q-gww0

the trash can shaped one

[potent portal]

My first Mac, used mostly for Oregon Trail

[jagged hill]

i love that crt

this was not the one though

i was saying it superficially resembled a waste basket

[potent portal]

Yeah that one was... controversial

[jagged hill]

it was a beast even if it looked bad

as someone who's always stuck with low end pc's as a kid

i worked with what i had and didn't find out about ssd until 2019

once i had one, chef's kiss

[potent portal]

Over-promised and under-delivered

[obsidian wigeon]

lol fair enough

[jagged hill]

when did you two find out about ssd's

[obsidian wigeon]

long ago

[jagged hill]

oh nice

[obsidian wigeon]

back in like 2016 for me

[jagged hill]

that's early

[potent portal]

It was well before that for me

[jagged hill]

when they were still somewhat expensive

[obsidian wigeon]

i remembered seeing 64 gigs ssd being expensive

[jagged hill]

now they're 60 bucks for a 1tb m.2

[potent portal]

Remember the ones that were literally DRAM chips on a tray?

[jagged hill]

3.5" ssd

i rember

[obsidian wigeon]

oh those things

the dram storage thingies

those are wack af

[potent portal]

Had to have a battery on device to avoid losing data if you unplug it lmao

[jagged hill]

since this is the build chat, i'm building my bro a pc with a custom case, and am going to try to find a 3060-level card used

[obsidian wigeon]

probably poor endurance

[jagged hill]

how much do or should they go for used

[obsidian wigeon]

apart from needing battery

[jagged hill]

1070 ti or so

[potent portal]

No worse than DDR3 itself

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

right

3060 used is usually like 200

or higher

[jagged hill]

i also can give up some of my ram to my bro

[obsidian wigeon]

but i wouldn't go near 300 with used 3060

[jagged hill]

since i have a 32gb 4 sticks

i don't need 32gb yet

16gb is enough for the stuff i do

so i can give an 8gb stick or two to my bro

for his build

[obsidian wigeon]

meanwhile im trying to find ways to debloat while keeping ms store

[jagged hill]

the case will be wooden and hung up on the wall

[obsidian wigeon]

it sounds counterproductive but i want it to stay lmao

[jagged hill]

what do you think?

good lucc with that though

[obsidian wigeon]

idk about the case

make sure to give it some vents i guess

[jagged hill]

i like making custom

since cases are expensive

to just buy

and i have a lot of wood lying around

from older projects

[potent portal]

I have 4 games that I play fairly regularly that crash if I have only 16GB and I don't increase my page file size

[jagged hill]

what if i only give him one 8gb stick

and i keep 24gb

is that weird

[potent portal]

Well 16GB would be in dual channel mode and 8GB would be in single channel

[jagged hill]

oh okay

i can just find used ram

8gb sticks

[potent portal]

It's cheap anyway

[jagged hill]

that's good

it doesn't have the same shortage issue as cpus and gpus do?

[potent portal]

3600C18 for Ryzen is like $40 16GB

[obsidian wigeon]

ram is dummy cheap for ddr4

[jagged hill]

okay!!

[obsidian wigeon]

as low as it'll get

[jagged hill]

i'll look for ddr4

are there any hardware swap discords like fixit fixit fixit?

in addition to that one

thanks!

[potent portal]

There's a bunch of listings like this on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/266130321776

[jagged hill]

not using reddit

oh

[fossil cedar]

You're gonna wanna double check your rads dimensions but the ssupd meshroom s might fit both rads/if fitted with slim fans instead

https://ssupd.co/products/meshroom-s

Specs are about half way down the page