building-and-recc-chat

[tepid roost]

I tried both individually and one booted to windows then bsoded and the other didn't even boot to windows

[cyan ravine]

If not the ram you'll be able to assume cpu imc

Which is very rare

[tepid roost]

Yeah I heard CPUs are usually the most reliable component

But alright I'll try that

Rip no elden ring or other games until then 😦

[cyan ravine]

[tepid roost]

Thanks for the help, I'll be back if things don't work out with the ram.

[leaden mauve]

[tepid roost]

I just bought the CPU so I'll just ask for a new one if it's the issue at least

[cyan ravine]

I'll panic u in a second

[leaden mauve]

ayo?

[cyan ravine]

BOO!

[leaden mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/935312354034483220.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[tepid roost]

Also Felix should I assume the stick that isn't even booting to windows is fs bad?

Doesn't make sense that if the CPU is bad to me at least that both sticks would behave differently

[cyan ravine]

Can't be 100% sure

[hollow steeple]

Ok I’ll dm it to you

[cyan ravine]

Nah different ram sticks have different tolerances

Some sticks run better some worse

Even from the same bins

[tepid roost]

Pain

Really hope it's not the cpu

The amount of times I've already took the cooler off and put it back on between stock and my hyper 212 is enough already

[cyan ravine]

You could try the cpu as well rn if you wanted to be def sure

[tepid roost]

Change back to my 3600x?

[cyan ravine]

Take it back then get a 5600 instead (same thing but cheaper because no X in the name)

You could try 3600x now if you wanted to check?

[tepid roost]

Also if I changed from 5600x to the 3600x would there be compatibility issues with the drivers since I just updated them for the 5?

[cyan ravine]

Nah

[tepid roost]

Ok I'll try that real quick

Pain

Also @cyan ravine can my mobo or cpu have issues if any thermal paste gets on the pins or the socket itself?

[cyan ravine]

Why are you asking

[tepid roost]

Lol just curious

[cyan ravine]

Yes

Depending on the degree yes

[tepid roost]

It's only a tiny bit

You want a pic?

[cyan ravine]

See you need to be more honest

Yes a pic

[tepid roost]

That's the socket if you couldn't tell lol

[cyan ravine]

Very carefully wipe that away outwards from the socket

VERY CAREFULLY

USE YOUR FINGERS

Then wash your hands

Then another pic

And then a pic of your cpu pins as well

[tepid roost]

One sec bad lighting on the CPU pins

[cyan ravine]

Ah

Bingo

[tepid roost]

That issue most likely?

[cyan ravine]

Paste in the socket is the problem

[tepid roost]

Ok

Um

Is it good since I wiped?

Used my finger to make sure

[cyan ravine]

These need cleaning out

[tepid roost]

Yea

[cyan ravine]

You did well considering

[tepid roost]

I didn't do well lol I got paste in my socket some how

[cyan ravine]

These pins also need cleaning

[tepid roost]

Ig I put a little too much even tho only bit about a pea sized drop and then screwed the cooler down

How should I go about cleaning that?

[cyan ravine]

Poor pin contact > lost memory/bad memory channels > bad bsod and post behaviour

[tepid roost]

Pain but also not so bad meaning nothing is wrong but my thermal pasting lmao

[cyan ravine]

For the socket you can be extremely careful and use a needle

[tepid roost]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

But you'll have to check under the socket itself

[tepid roost]

Whatttt

[cyan ravine]

The plastic comes off but I don't really recommend it

[tepid roost]

Ok I'll just clean it out and hope it works

[cyan ravine]

The cpu pins.... I'm not sure tbh

Needle again? But try really hard not to bend them, they're very soft

It'll take you

A long time

But there's a good chance this will be your problem

[tepid roost]

I'ma be honest

I think I'm better off returning the CPU as bad and getting a new one lol

It's worse than we both thought on the pins

[cyan ravine]

It's just around the stem of the pins really

What's on the green pcb can have some left

[tepid roost]

There's like 8 more pins that have jt

I'll try with a sowing needle lol

[cyan ravine]

8 more?

I can see 6-8 in the pic you posted of the cpu

Be very careful not to push the paste down into the socket btw

Like fr

[tepid roost]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

Your goal is to extract it, not drive it in

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-board-ryzen-cpu-glis-thermal-paste-gif-17554739

[tepid roost]

Yes

Idk tbh

Got all that could from both

@cyan ravine should I try it now ?

[cyan ravine]

Send pics

Try shining a torch through the socket, are all the pins reflective or can you see paste?

[potent portal]

I always forget that other countries call flashlights torches

[tepid roost]

Why's it so hard to get a good picture of this stuff

Stupid small pins and holes and what not

Some areas near the top have some thermal paste on the outside

Not the in

[potent portal]

Be glad that it's not an Intel or AM5 cpu socket

[tepid roost]

Ig yea

It wouldn't be a big deal upgrading mobos anyways ig

3 of the holes on the socket I can't see the reflection exactly @cyan ravine

[potent portal]

No I meant more along the lines of "there's 1700 pins in the newest gen of Intel socket" and they're impossible to clean

[tepid roost]

I'ma try to clean those few out just a tiny bit more

Yeah I'm just talking about if my mobo is dead from this

Or if I can at least take that plastic bit off and clean it more or not

[potent portal]

I seriously doubt it would be totally dead

[tepid roost]

Yeah same

Just never optimistic about PC stuff ngl

[potent portal]

Worst case you use a whole lot of isopropyl 99% and flush everything

[cyan ravine]

Yeah worse comes to worst you take the am4 plastic cover off and flush it

But we're avoiding that as that cover can break if taken off wrong

[tepid roost]

Ight I wanna try it now and if not then I'll look up some videos on how to take it off

I think the CPU is perfectly fine tho

[thorny flint]

u guys know if this a good build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7nv3GL

[tepid roost]

@cyan ravine I'm returning the 5600x lmao

[cyan ravine]

What's wrong

[tepid roost]

Few pins got bent I guess or something

Somehow my new cooler also decided to break a screw off on one piece

[mossy venture]

I would change a bit https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M22Vzf

[thorny flint]

alr

do u have any psu recommendations?

that arent too expensive cause i think i rlly need to change that

[tepid roost]

@cyan ravine unfortunately also I need to flush the socket plastic piece

[cyan ravine]

I guess?

Please send a picture

[mossy venture]

i put a psu in the list i linked

[thorny flint]

oh alr ty

[tepid roost]

No definitely lol

[cyan ravine]

[tepid roost]

Already tested out my 3600 on it

Same issue

[cyan ravine]

No wait what about the 5600x

What happened

[tepid roost]

I'd have to readjust the pins that got bent

[cyan ravine]

Send pic

Omg this is going so off the rails

[tepid roost]

I already boxed lol I'm not gonna spend another hour tryna fix it when I can just get my money back and get a new one

[cyan ravine]

Alr

I mean I've bent back my 5900x pins

Not the hardest thing but anyway

[tepid roost]

Yeah I've done it with another cpu

But I've been doing this stuff for like 4 hours

[cyan ravine]

Ok so it's the socket then

[tepid roost]

The 3600 fits fine

[cyan ravine]

The 3600 is doing the same thing is telling of the socket needing flushing

That or the ram needs rma

[tepid roost]

Ok but I could physically see the 5600 sticking out some and when I put the cooler on it and pulled on it some to make sure it was good the CPU just came out

[cyan ravine]

Oh no

[tepid roost]

Or the cooler and CPU together I mean but yeah

[cyan ravine]

Am4 moment

Twist with am4 before pull

[tepid roost]

I was ready to come home and vibe on elden ring and then play ow2 with some friends lmao

Didn't expect this

[cyan ravine]

Jesus

[tepid roost]

Also my new cooler broke

The only screws they don't have replacements for in the box broke

[cyan ravine]

[tepid roost]

And I can't use my PC for now

Gotta return the stuff tmrw then I get to go get some alcohol and flush the socket piece and then when I get back from a friend's house hopefully it'll work lmao

Best case scenario

[cyan ravine]

Hey man gimme a ping on how it goes

I kinda feel guilty a bit here ngl

[tepid roost]

I will lol, appreciate all the help.

Nah lol I literally put thermal paste around in a circle in the middle some and it somehow leaked under the CPU bruuuh

How tf does that even happen that it leaks under the cpu

[cyan ravine]

I've had it happen myself

My aero g I had to do the same thing

[tepid roost]

Yeah by far the worst thing I've had to do so far

[cyan ravine]

But that board works after the long and painful time

[tepid roost]

Bending pins back in place doesn't compare to trying to use a sowing needle to clean the socket out

[cyan ravine]

Yeah fr

Quite perilous but am4 pga is less daunting than LGA

[tepid roost]

Plus my head lamp was dead for the first half of it so I had to hold my phone light over it

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

LGA is like the unprotected version

[potent portal]

Head lamps are life savers working in PCs

[tepid roost]

Falcie I wish I had mine charged up before starting

[cyan ravine]

Fal'cie take my techie away I've failed

[tepid roost]

Honestly I just want a new motherboard at this point

And I'll just vibe with 3600

[cyan ravine]

Honestly mortar max is a good board

It's worth cleaning imo

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gamora-infinity-war-soul-stone-sacrifice-gif-14289940

[tepid roost]

Tomahawk max but yea

[cyan ravine]

Sorry tomahawk haha

I got the names confused

[tepid roost]

I bought the board from a friend who used it for like 3 months as well as the 3600 for like 150

[cyan ravine]

Ok well take the 5600x back, get the 5600 non-X (same exact cpu literally)

[tepid roost]

The CPU itself was almost double that retail at the time

[cyan ravine]

Then use the 30$ difference on a new cooler

[analog pulsar]

stop plz

[tepid roost]

I will lol

[cyan ravine]

I recommend an SE-214XT

[tepid roost]

Alright cool

[cyan ravine]

Use the cooler master hyper 212 fan on it if you can

Better fan

Sickleflows are stonks

[tepid roost]

Alright

I have 2 fans so that's nice

[cyan ravine]

Ok I'll bbl, good luck and lemme know

[tepid roost]

Thank you, I'm gonna go cry to sleep now.

[leaden mauve]

yea give it to me instead

https://tenor.com/view/cat-approaching-low-quality-funny-serious-face-gif-24520303

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-gif-gif-19888760

[raw yacht]

hey yall i do be having a question

i bought ddr5-7200 for an z790, but decided to wait for the 7950x3d. should I return the ddr5-7200 since it seems AM5 doesn't take well to high clock speeds?

if nothing else, this ram has XMP which I don't think works on AM5 for preconfigured profiles, and is most likely uncertified for an AMD board...

[potent portal]

You could return it and get a kit that has an expo profile (AMD's new XMP equivalent) unless you're comfortable tuning it yourself or with a little guidance

[raw yacht]

thanks. is ddr5-7200 reasonable for an AM5?

7950x we'll say

[potent portal]

I wouldn't go much past 6000, the infinity fabric can have issues if it's any faster than that

[raw yacht]

maybe I should stick with this just because a future CPU might support it..? or, is the chipset hard limited?

pcpartspicker does show ddr5-8000 as technically compatible, hmm

[cyan ravine]

The expo sticks generaly have A die afaik so 7200 kit wouldn't really matter

[potent portal]

It can work up to 8000 but you'll have to desync the infinity fabric, which imposes a penalty to latency

[cyan ravine]

Just find an expo profile and run it tbh

[raw yacht]

are you saying 7200 is a die?

[cyan ravine]

Yes, in other words a 6000 expo kit will be the same die as a 7200 expo kit really

What you would want is m die instead tbh

Zen 4 will be happier with it

[raw yacht]

thats what im reading too

so sounds like return the kit and save some money too. i can probably get a 64gb kit for that cost

is zen4 finicky like intel when it comes to 2x vs 4x ram modules?

[potent portal]

Yes but not as bad

2x 32gb would keep you for years, 32gb is more than enough for gaming right now

[cyan ravine]

I would stick to 2 sticks no matter what

[raw yacht]

look at that. about $64 more and i get ddr5-6000 with 64gb

2x 32gb

okie dokie.

[cyan ravine]

So is this just a gaming build?

[potent portal]

It has an expo profile right?

[raw yacht]

will check

[raw yacht]

its mostly gaming but i also throw vms and other loads on it and it want them to perform

it's a max effort build so i want the best fps available period

have the 4090 already

[cyan ravine]

Best fps period would be 7800x3d

[raw yacht]

was about to go 13900k or ks but then stopped

luckily hadnt bought the mobo or cpu yet

[cyan ravine]

The higher stack 3d cpus have dual ccd issues, so you'll get a slight deficit in return for more cores

[raw yacht]

but, if we look at benches from the 5800x3d, we only saw benefit in some games which makes sense

intel has quicker l1 and l2 cache which can clearly be impactful

[potent portal]

7800X3D is expected to be better than the 7950X3D yeah

[raw yacht]

i want the 7950x3d

[cyan ravine]

I mean sure

[potent portal]

Since you're using VMs that makes a bit of sense

[cyan ravine]

Just letting you know

[raw yacht]

im not convinced the 7950x3d will walk the 13900k in all aspects, but i am trying to believe the rearchitecture of the chip will make the difference

and i think bigger cache is so important

even if L3

[cyan ravine]

7950x3d will beat 13900K that much is a given

And KS stock for stock too

[raw yacht]

case in point: the 7950x is 1% or so on average less than a 13900k in benches but has double the cache

[cyan ravine]

Eh

[raw yacht]

theres like 4 games that one or the other shine with majority within 1% difference

[cyan ravine]

No regular zen 4 is slower than 13th by a good margin

[raw yacht]

but intel has 32mb cache and amd 64

[cyan ravine]

5800x3d is the one that matches 13900K

7700X is the only one that gets close

KS improves on that by 2% at stock

And X3D will finally put zen 4 ahead

[raw yacht]

https://tpucdn.com/review/rtx-4090-53-games-core-i9-13900k-vs-ryzen-7-5800x3d/images/1920-1080.png

ks is kind of a gimmick imo

the only sole advantage imo is the better silicon which could be great for ocing

if youre a fanatic like that

[cyan ravine]

Is it really 6%? I remembered 1%

I was thinking of that same review too lmao

[raw yacht]

i mean the reason its only 6% is devil may cry 5

7950x and 13900k are 1% different in like 21 games

with intel generally leading

and then 2 are amd-biased and 2 are intel-biased out of 25 games

[cyan ravine]

But that would mean 7700X is faster than 5800X3D

[raw yacht]

oh yea the crucial difference is the architecture... cache is on a seperate CCD

so any way you slice it it will wipe Intel

not to mention guaranteed socket support until 2025

and overall better power consumption, although Intel correctly tuned will be more efficient, but most people just slam the wattage and blow a ton of heat for like 10 fps

ive been doing too much research lol. my current cpu is from 2014

kinda time to upgrade

i have a 4090 behind me i cant even use 😣

[cyan ravine]

I don't think your take on the 7950x is quite right it conflicts with a number of reviews I'm aware of

I definitely agree x3d zen 4 will be much faster but regular zen 4 no

And I'd expect 7800X3D to be quite a few % faster than any of the others tbh

[raw yacht]

https://youtu.be/kTroSyZEUw8?t=590

from what i gather, games either prefer intel architecture, being quicker L1/L2 or higher clock speed/IPC, or the prefer AMD's cachenormous

[cyan ravine]

No but like

[raw yacht]

the nice thing is, since the 7950x and 13900k are often so close, the cache bump in the 3D processor will really pit it ahead

[flint sapphire]

X3d when

[potent portal]

Next month darvan

[desert gulch]

I know this source is great but some stuff a bit sus...

12700k stock faster than am5 current CPUs?

[flint sapphire]

Christ a month… that’s like way too long

[potent portal]

The issue this gen comparing chips is everyone is getting waaaayyyy different numbers from each other

[raw yacht]

https://youtu.be/kTroSyZEUw8?t=547

[desert gulch]

Yeah like no way a 12700k beats all the new amd chips

[raw yacht]

if you average it, 2.1% increase to intel

some games favor L3 cache, some games intels arch/clock speed/faster l1 cache

so when you double amds cache its gonna get ugly for intel

i mean

this is the reason i didnt pull the trigger on the 13900k this week

not to mention thermal runaway practically

[potent portal]

We're expecting 15%, up to 20% in some games, increase thanks to cache

[raw yacht]

why would i buy into something guaranteed slower, that consumes more power, produces more heat, and is the final chip for its socket

kinda excited considering the last amd i had was an athlon 64, and before that an athlon/duron socket a

been looking for a reason to revisit team red to spice things up a bit

anyone here run a 13900k on air out of curiosity?

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-5319192

[potent portal]

Only psychopaths (like forks)

[raw yacht]

i was about to. granted, i also am running a torrent with more airflow then a 747 turbine

and would have not ran it at 300w

haven't had a chance to talk to someone who actually has

given 70c on average in game, i was going to run the 13900k at its most efficient which is like 150watts or something. then, eventually, went water

[desert gulch]

Does forks have a prosiphon elite?

[raw yacht]

was that?

oh holy hell

[potent portal]

Power limited and only in gaming that would be fine

We've got a few XOC guys (and gal) here

[raw yacht]

i wanted a full custom loop, but given the price, kinda said fuggit

not to mention after like 250 watts the intel becomes just pointless with diminishing returns

so where are good water cooling resources these days? last time i went water we used frozencpu and everyone had push/pull setups. not sure where the good reviews or guides are today

[leaden mauve]

[raw yacht]

imagine spilling that

[leaden mauve]

itd be fine, but the waste of ln2 would be sad 😔

[desert gulch]

The forbidden soda

[leaden mauve]

lol yea

[raw yacht]

just drink it bro

cooler temps

[leaden mauve]

hmmmmmmm

[desert gulch]

How long before we start reccomending ln2 to people buying an i5?

[leaden mauve]

right now

buy LN2 to cool a pentium G3258

like i am!

[raw yacht]

dont hate on my celery chip intel

celeron 4 life

[leaden mauve]

celery

baller

[raw yacht]

get a trackball wtf

[leaden mauve]

🤨

NOCTUA

[raw yacht]

more like noctua meme

[potent portal]

bclk oc ftw

[stoic island]

soft mousepad is nice

[leaden mauve]

no

[raw yacht]

celeron chip ftw

[leaden mauve]

multiplier

[stoic island]

why not both

[leaden mauve]

and some bclk actually yea

[stoic island]

200mhz bclk and 40x multiplier

ez

[raw yacht]

they ask me what my secret is when i win tournaments. its a trackball tbh

[leaden mauve]

probably not 200 lol

[leaden mauve]

skill

[stoic island]

I remember forks got 200 bclk on something

or someone did

[leaden mauve]

probably some older platform

[stoic island]

yea

[raw yacht]

me winning the cs:go tournament with a flight stick

[leaden mauve]

skill^2

[desert gulch]

Probably something obsolete like x79

[leaden mauve]

people dont run 200mhz bclk on x79

[desert nebula]

Hey @potent portal

[potent portal]

Hi

Hi

[desert nebula]

Is the i3 8100 compatible with my motherboard?

[potent portal]

Were you the one with the H77? I talk to a lot of people sorry

[desert nebula]

Yeah

[potent portal]

Then no third gen Intel is your max

You'd need a new motherboard and memory to run anything newer

[desert nebula]

What are some good third generation cpu

[potent portal]

3770k is the best on that socket

[desert nebula]

If I'm trying to run gta rp would I need to upgrade everything

[leaden mauve]

What chip are you running atm?

[potent portal]

GTA with mods? Yeah you'll need some serious upgrades

[leaden mauve]

GTA V can be pretty rough

[desert nebula]

Would a b450 be good?

[potent portal]

AMD? Yeah that would be good paired with a 5600

You'd need new memory too

[desert nebula]

Im bidding on one

2x8 right

[potent portal]

At least that yes

DDR4

[desert nebula]

I have a rx 570

Is that good?

[potent portal]

Good enough for 1080p low/medium without graphics mods

[leaden mauve]

GTX 1070ti's can be had for pretty cheap if you wanna upgrade that. 2060/2060super would be a more worthwhile option but it goes for ~$50 more generally. You're in the US right?

[desert nebula]

Am4 chipset right?

[potent portal]

Socket, yes

[desert nebula]

Yea

[leaden mauve]

that would be a good choice

[potent portal]

Another option used is the newer RX 6600

[leaden mauve]

[potent portal]

5700 XT are really cheap right now but can be a little more iffy

[desert nebula]

What are the cpu ranks?

[potent portal]

What do you mean by ranks?

[desert nebula]

Like in terms of performance

[potent portal]

There's hundreds of them to compare, but narrowing it down to AM4 makes it a little easier

[leaden mauve]

>

eyestrain inducer

[potent portal]

This might make it a little easier

5600 is nearly identical to 5600X in gaming so keep that in mind

[desert nebula]

Alr

[vital patrol]

Hi guys. I have a question. AIO for am4 is compatible with am5?

Okay, actually am5 have a new bracket.

[tawny violet]

question

AK620 air cooler good enough for a 5700G?

it probably can't compete with a 360 AIO, but that'd be overkill anyway, right?

[fossil cedar]

Honestly a decent tower or dual tower will be plenty for a 5700g

[tawny violet]

that's surprising considering it's an 8core and a Vega 8 in one
A surprise for sure, but a welcome one

[fossil cedar]

Single tower it'll get a bit warm but honestly shout be fine yeah, it doesn't draw that much power

5700x is easy enough to cool too although I'd lean to a dual tower on it

[tawny violet]

620 would be pretty cool though

[fossil cedar]

Very

[tawny violet]

like
It's so cheap for a dual tower

[fossil cedar]

Ehhh

[tawny violet]

and it does the job more than good enough even for some OC, wouldn't it?

[fossil cedar]

D15 and drp4 are just overpriced

[tawny violet]

Relatively speaking, air coolers are not too expensive here right now

[fossil cedar]

Yes but on ryzen 5000 you wanna do pbo + undervolting curve if you want best performance

You should see if there are any cheaper dual tower options available

Thermalright have ones like the peerless assassin 120 and frost spirit 140 for pretty cheap usually

Cheaper than the ak620 but ak620 is quite overkill on a 5700g

[tawny violet]

I can't see any of those in stock as of right now

[fossil cedar]

Any other cheaper dual towers?

[tawny violet]

Not really, not ones I can tell anyway

I found a DeepCool ASSASSIN III
on Alza
But it's like 800 HUF more expensive than the 620

[fossil cedar]

Shame

[tawny violet]

Thermalright True Spirit 140 is supposed to be 22k HUF but out of stock

[tawny violet]

@fossil cedar Here is the very basic version of what I wanna get (I can upgrade RAM and add a GPU later)
https://www.skynet-computer.hu/termek/skynet-ultra-hd-2-ultra-hd-2223222222222333342224444322

I dunno if it's really worth it
But it's pretty much the best shot I have at getting something that works

[fossil cedar]

Idk what prices are like there but being able to drop the included 500gb nvme for nothing for 19k and get one yourself for cheaper or possibly higher capacity

Also if they can i would get a 16gb kit either through them or putting it in yourself whatever works out cheaper

[tawny violet]

ik

it's 440 bucks for a working PC that doesn't entirely suck

and it has upgradeabilty

[fossil cedar]

Also that case looks well lets say not good lol, so keep that in mind that gpu length might be a concern

[tawny violet]

You can change the case

to things like a GT301 or a Kolink Observatory (sadly the glass front one so cooling might get gimped)

[dim reef]

which ram better fits a ryzen 5 5600

[obsidian wigeon]

any 3600mhz kit

[fossil cedar]

Yeah would possibly do that

[tawny violet]

the GT301 is a good case with mesh front but it's also a pretty pricey upgrade

about the price of 32GB of 3200 memory

[dim reef]

on a mobo what is Q-flash plus

[rustic marlin]

if i was to get gaming setup how much should i spend on pc

budget a bit tight i want to create a youtube channel and stream

on twitch

so i can earn side income

[digital nebula]

What is curve optimizer?

Someone suggested to me that I get the MSI B550-A PRO ProSeries Motherboard

But I'd be waiting till the 13th to get that thing. So if I could get any other options that I could possibly get from newegg or Amazon I'd love to see what I can get

[fossil cedar]

Yeah might be worth buying a case to transfer it to then if you where to upgrade the case instead

[dim reef]

^

[digital nebula]

I'd like to get a motherboard with decent bios lmao I was told my motherboards bios is not so good

[frigid night]

BIOS flashback. Allows you to flash BIOS without having PC turned on. Can be quite handy if you bork your BIOS somehow as well as if you need to upgrade to another gen CPU on the same socket that your BIOS doesn't support.

[hollow steeple]

What happens if you don’t have an io shield in your pc

[fossil cedar]

Or even without the cpu and ram installed you can flash the bios

[fossil cedar]

Bits of dust gets in mainly

[desert gulch]

Its kinda ugly too

[fossil cedar]

Well ye but functionally

[analog pulsar]

Someone likes these fans

[languid nimbus]

Wish they weren’t so ugly lol

[hollow steeple]

How bad is it

[fossil cedar]

Ehh it's okay, you'll probably get more dust and have to clean the inside more often then tho

[earnest olive]

I think they look pretty good if you do a themed build like that

they're ugly if you aren't going full noctua

[languid nimbus]

Yeah, that one is the least ugly I’ve seen considering it’s themed, but the single off fans are

[empty pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-face-cat-meme-cat-puke-cat-vomit-cat-coughing-meme-gif-22332765

[weary galleon]

$800-1200 is a sweet spot imo

[weary galleon]

Also I don't think streaming is an easy/viable income source

[fossil cedar]

Wouldn't call 800 sweet spot, imo sweet spot for pc is about 950-1000 for the US, probably about €1100-1200 and rest of setup would be like €$50 mouse, €/$50-100 keyboard, monitor depends on the price of the pc if it's like 3060/6650xt or less 1080p monitor would be my choice so like ~$160 or if it's like 6700xt/3060 ti and up I'd say 1440p monitor so like $220-300 if you're in the US if you're in EU probably about €280ish

[hollow steeple]

Can someone help me put my gpu in my case

[empty pollen]

how?

we are miles apart

[hollow steeple]

So I dance dance dance with my hands hands hands

[raw yacht]

ppl with a 13900k: what sustained clock speed do you have on single threaded apps?

curious if its like the 7950x where it will hit 5.7 but in 10 mins hits 5.3 or so forth

[stoic island]

It's dependent on too many things, the main thing being cooling

[stoic island]

If your cooler can't handle however much it's pulling, it's going to slowly throttle as coolant temps rise or fins get saturated, otherwise it boosts to as high as it can

It's the same general behavior

There's also chip variance with silicon lottery and different chips being capable of hitting different clocks

Pbo is another factor

[raw yacht]

so like

what is the average? with single threaded gaming will you see full turbo all the time

looking to get some data

[stoic island]

What are you using the data for? This isn't going to be useful most of the time

[gleaming ocean]

Hey. I was wondering if I need to upgrade my cpu at all

It's a 5700g with the stock wraith cooler

My other parts are. 4070ti and 32 gb ram at 3200mhz

[stoic island]

General data but I'm going to warn you, this isn't directly correlated with performance, and every chip is going to have slightly different behavior, no two 13900k are the exact same, and every game will have different behavior.

[stoic island]

No significant enough upgrade to warrant a whole new chip and/or a new platform, 5700g should do fine with 4070ti

[stoic island]

Although it might be worthwhile if you find a 5800x3d for cheap, secondhand off a friend or something for around 200 or so

[raw yacht]

im waiting on 7950x3d

was about to go intel though

[stoic island]

Since 5800x3d is on the same platform as 5700g, wouldn't need new Mobo and ram.

[raw yacht]

that juicy 3D cache

😩

[gleaming ocean]

Is it just poorly optimized games? I mainly saw issues in Kingdom Come: Deliverance and CP2077

[stoic island]

What's the issue?

[gleaming ocean]

Stuttering with gpu usage only around 50-70

[stoic island]

With dlss?

[gleaming ocean]

Dlss helps on cp2077
I'm on a 3440x1440p screen

[stoic island]

There's a small chance CPU is struggling, 5700g does only have half the l3 cache of 5800, but there's also a decent chance it has to do with game settings and maybe drivers

[gleaming ocean]

It might be game settings, they're all on max to play with the gpu

[stoic island]

Probably worth messing around with lowering specific settings and see how it plays out

First thing to try would be to lower rtx settings

[green egret]

Are there any windows laptops that can compare with a MacBook Air or pro for around the same price? Use is multitasking IDE’s and apps like chrome with multiple browser windows open, Microsoft Outlook and Calendar, one note etc…
Looking for durable battery life, won’t throttle from overheating while multitasking, won’t slow down because of slow processor or not enough RAM.

[fossil cedar]

You in the US?

[green egret]

Yeah

I’m looking for a good deal like sale or something

Cause I know Mac is suggested in most cases

Especially battery life

[leaden mauve]

:)

[leaden mauve]

That new apple silicon is definitely a good option if you don't need to use any software those chips arent compatible with. And assuming you like MacOS anyway

[stoic island]

Yea for the use case grabbing any m1 laptop should be chill

[green egret]

Ok, so I d heard this so far from multiple people. Even a guy said he developed an android app on one that his company gave him. But I went to the Apple Store and 2 out of 3 employees said the air doesn’t have fans so it might overheat and slow down if you’re multitasking and recommend the MacBook Pro.

Now I can’t tell if they are up selling me or not

[fossil cedar]

https://www.newegg.com/black-dell-inspiron-3525-mainstream/p/1TS-000A-0V788?item=9SIAMRPJNP4772
This would work

[green egret]

That looks good and fast

[fossil cedar]

This also looks like a good option
https://www.newegg.com/blue-lenovo-ideapad-3-mainstream/p/1TS-000E-14MH5?item=9SIAEYAJRH1622

[green egret]

Although the graphics suck

[fossil cedar]

An extra 4gb of ram but I don't see what the battery is like on the lenovo

[fossil cedar]

What you mean?

Do you need a dedicated gpu?

[green egret]

First one is igpu

I mean idk yet but possibly

Also the battery life on these are terrible

[fossil cedar]

Oh you didn't say anything about doing gpu intensive tasks and the dell one is decent at 65wh

[green egret]

I think the battery on macs is the biggest selling point

15 hours

Windows laptops don’t compare

[fossil cedar]

You're not gonna compare to battery life on the m1 macs because of ARM

[green egret]

Yeah I think that reason alone is good enough

[potent portal]

Apple employees pushing an upsell? Now why would they do that? It's not like half their paycheck is commission or anything.

[green egret]

I’m sold on Mac

The guy told me he didn’t work on commission

[fossil cedar]

Except that the baseline mac is like 1k and only has 8gb ram and 256gb storage

Although if you don't need a laptop the new mac m2 mini value looks pretty good

[green egret]

I know that’s the other problem lol

I need a laptop

[desert gulch]

Just make sure you don't grab a base m2

[green egret]

And the ram and storage are so bad

Why not?

[fossil cedar]

Altho 16gb upgrade is 200$ 💀

[green egret]

Yeah it’s crazy

[fossil cedar]

So it basically starts at 800$

[desert gulch]

The 256gb storage on base m2 is awful

Like, speed wise

[green egret]

It’s not it’s 100GB

[desert gulch]

And when you run unified mem, storage speed matters in some cases

[fossil cedar]

At least you can use external storage you can't use external ram

[desert gulch]

M1 base actually is like 2x faster on ssd than the m2 base

[potent portal]

Was it eMMC?

[green egret]

I don’t think so

I was just at the store

[desert gulch]

I believe so

[potent portal]

Ew

[desert gulch]

Lemme grab a link

[green egret]

If I get a Mac base I’m gona have to upgrade to 16gb ram

And buy extra storage

Is there any modifiers I can buy for a windows laptop battery

[desert gulch]

https://www.theverge.com/23220299/apple-macbook-air-m2-slow-ssd-read-write-speeds-testing-benchmark

[green egret]

That would cost the same

[desert gulch]

And yes it's the verge but it still shows something

Cue the verge jokes

There's tons of other reviews out there aswell that confirm same thing

[fossil cedar]

M1 mac air starts at 1k but because 8gb ram it basically starts at 1.2k, no point going m2 mac air because it's basically the same price as the pro after ram upgrade

Last i check lemme double check

[green egret]

I think if I got a mac@id go with MacBook Pro cause it has fans

[desert gulch]

Depends if you need sustained performance for your workload

The passive cooling is still quite good

[green egret]

I’d be rly pissed off if I’m in middle of coding and all of a sudden cpu starts to throttle

[fossil cedar]

Honestly m1 and m2 are pretty efficient so it's not a huge selling point

If you really wanted you can do a thermalpad mod but that will make the chasis quite warm

[green egret]

The other thing is that Mac laptops last like 7 years

[desert gulch]

Define last, lol

[fossil cedar]

Oh wait the m1 mac pro seems to have vanished sadge

Lasting is relative

[green egret]

They last better than windows do though right

[fossil cedar]

Not necessarily

[desert gulch]

I'm mentioning apples updates in particular

Apples had some issues with making older products work worse after updates

[fossil cedar]

I still have a working 11 years old windows laptop

[green egret]

Hmm idk

Yeah and later on I might want to work on Linux

[fossil cedar]

It was a €400 laptop at the time so it wasn't even premium

[green egret]

So a regular laptop might be bette

My $250 laptop sucks

[fossil cedar]

Only way to do linux on mac is vbox

[desert gulch]

Apples airpod pro's gen 1 and airpod max before launch of airpod pro gen 2 is a great example

[green egret]

It can barely operate chrome

Yeah idk I’ll think abt it

[fossil cedar]

Gotta remember you're hitting hard diminishing returns around the 1k mark

[green egret]

What does that mean

Like for resale?

[potent portal]

Diminishing returns means you start spending more money for increasingly less value

Like a $800 PC gets 90% of the performance that a $2500 PC gets

[fossil cedar]

@green egret btw if you where to spend mac money on a windows laptop you'd be looking at something like this
https://www.newegg.com/pine-gray-asus-zenbook-pro-um535qe-nh71t-content-creation-home-personal/p/N82E16834236180?item=N82E16834236180

Same batt size as the macs too

[raw yacht]

Optane in raid 0 here I come baby

[potent portal]

Too bad Optane is dead

[fossil cedar]

Linus out here crying rn

[raw yacht]

Its production may be dead, but its competitiveness likely won't die anytime soon

[covert vapor]

It is competitive because it has nothing to compete with as it is a dead product, therefore most competitive product in its field

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[tepid roost]

@cyan ravine is the msi b550 tomahawk max wifi good?

Apparently the normal is very good I'm just asking for a friend at best buy

[raw yacht]

There's nothing that tops its random access. Not sure what what mean. There's nothing that competes with it

Because nothing beats it even today, and most likely within the next few years minimum

[fossil cedar]

It's good but overpriced usually, and nowadays no real reason to go am4 at least in the US

[tepid roost]

Ur saying go for am5m

?

[fossil cedar]

No, lga1700

[tepid roost]

No lmao

[fossil cedar]

As in 12th/13th gen

?

[tepid roost]

How much is the best budget CPU on those

[fossil cedar]

12400f is 165$

[tepid roost]

And a mobo for it?

[fossil cedar]

12100f (4 cores) is like 100$

[raw yacht]

Caveat to lga1700 is 13th will most likely be the last cpu gen for that socket whereas am5 will be supported for at least 2 more years

[fossil cedar]

Like 110$ ish

[fossil cedar]

Yes but lga1700 takes ddr4

[raw yacht]

Also, microcenter combos make am5 cheaper from what I saw. $800 for a 7950x, mobo, and ram

[tepid roost]

I already have an am4 CPU I'm simply asking bout the mobo

[fossil cedar]

And buying into the future isn't really guaranteed also most ppl will only upgrade every 3-5 years

[potent portal]

I'd hold off on AM5 right now anyway for gamers. A one month wait would be very worth it for 7000X3D.

[raw yacht]

Also at its manufacturer recommended wattage, amd is more efficient and consumes less power, but Intel is more efficient if you lower the wattage to the sweet spot

[tepid roost]

The Ryzen 5 CPUs as is it are already plenty good enough pato but prices make it understandable why if I were upgrading now to go for Intel Ig

[fossil cedar]

Personally I'd return it unless you got some insane deal but would get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RHWzK8/gigabyte-b550m-ds3h-ac-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-ds3h-ac

[tepid roost]

How long is that gonna last for compared to the one I mentioned

[raw yacht]

There's no real reason to upgrade anymore usuall...we're at a point where processing power is just good enough with what you have most likely

[fossil cedar]

Ik they're plenty good they've just been sitting around the same price

[raw yacht]

The million dollar question

[tepid roost]

Yea

[fossil cedar]

Depends on you tbh, 12400f and 5600(x) are pretty comparable

[tepid roost]

If I was upgrading rn both then I'd get Intel purely off of price

[fossil cedar]

5600g and 5500 on the other hand are significantly worse cpus

[tepid roost]

Yeah ik

[raw yacht]

As devs add more intensive stuff, hw becomes dated

Ask the devs

[fossil cedar]

Not even that, it depends what you consider time for an upgrade

[raw yacht]

You can generally get away with lowering settings but then everyone wants the latest RT, or what have you

[tepid roost]

So is the msi b550 tomahawk max wifi a good board just slightly overpriced pretty much?

[fossil cedar]

Quite overpriced for what you need yes

[raw yacht]

Or if you're doing productivity strictly it again depends on your workload

[fossil cedar]

200$ for a b550 is redicolous

[tepid roost]

Ig

[raw yacht]

I run vms on my ancient 5820k from 2014 just fine. I've recently decided to upgrade..because I can

[fossil cedar]

^ 110$ and also has wifi

[raw yacht]

Not because I need to

[tepid roost]

Idc bout the wifi part

[fossil cedar]

Well still that's the best value am4 board atm

[tepid roost]

It was just the only "reasonable" mobo available at the best buy

[fossil cedar]

Well if you're buying rn, what other b550s are available

[tepid roost]

Reasonable not really but the only other motherboards we're z690s and z790s lmao

If there was another mobo that was cheaper I would've gone for it instantly lol

[fossil cedar]

Yikes

[tepid roost]

After looking it up but ye get the point

[fossil cedar]

Most people tend to ask well before buying because ya know lol

[tepid roost]

Either way I got a 5800x for the price of a 5600x

[fossil cedar]

Nice (unless you mean 300$ the 5600x msrp)

Shame they're a pain to cool

[tepid roost]

Yeah things aren't looking great but we'll see

Nah

[fossil cedar]

Like 160?

Ish

[tepid roost]

Nah 220

So it's a little higher than current but

[fossil cedar]

Oh so 5700x price

[tepid roost]

Yeah but whatever at this point

[fossil cedar]

Not that great of a deal then

[tepid roost]

Yeah ik

But I'm past the point after last night of caring too much

[fossil cedar]

Thing is 5700x is way easier to cool unfortunately

Fair enough

[tepid roost]

Bro

I drove an hour and a half to buy this stuff 😦

Im 5m away and ur making me wanna return it but I also would like a PC to use

What's temps looking like with a hyper 212 on it

I imagine fairly high

[fossil cedar]

Just informing you both are valid descision

Oh god

Please return the hyper 212 whatever you do

[tepid roost]

I didn't buy it

[fossil cedar]

It's a 20$ cooler sold for 60$

[tepid roost]

I already had one on the side

[fossil cedar]

Oh eh 5800x is gonna struggle hard

[tepid roost]

Just answer the question lol

Like 80s or 90?

[fossil cedar]

Like 90-100c probs

[tepid roost]

What the

Nvm I'm returning it

[fossil cedar]

Idk gaming temps with it but if you hit it with all core you're gonna throttle hard

[potent portal]

90 is the max for a 5800X and I hit it with a 240mm AIO frequently

[fossil cedar]

5800x basically requires a 280mm aio minimum

Things a pain to cool idk how they made the 5700x so much cooler

[potent portal]

Cut the default tdp

To 65W

Instead of 105W

[tepid roost]

I'm defo returning it then and I'll just buy a 5600x and wait a few days bro

[fossil cedar]

Well yes but still

[tepid roost]

I'll buy a 5600x online

[fossil cedar]

Also 5600 is cheaper and basically the same

[tepid roost]

Yea that what I meant sorry

[fossil cedar]

All good

[tepid roost]

I'm sorrry

[fossil cedar]

No need to apologise

[tepid roost]

Pato I basically got a tiny bit of thermal paste on my mobo socket

Try to use a sowing needle to clean it

Then when that didn't work I tried to take the plastic off

And that didn't work

[fossil cedar]

You should be fine if you just leave it

Thermal paste isn't conductive anyway

[tepid roost]

Unfortunately no pato lol

It got on the pins of my CPU and blocked the connection

Which caused my PC initially to bsod after a decent bit of time

But then eventually it literally would get to part where I put my pin in and then bsod

[stoic island]

Wonder if some isopropyl alcohol in combination with maybe a thinner needle would work

[tepid roost]

And that was also only with one ram stick

Mr.30

[fossil cedar]

Or some canned air might help with the isopropyl

[tepid roost]

I'd have to take the plastic off but I couldn't get it off

And a thinner needle?

[fossil cedar]

You can't take the plastic off that is the socket itself

[tepid roost]

Idk if there's a much thinner needle that that tbh

[stoic island]

I don't think you can take the socket out?

[tepid roost]

Not the socket

You can take the plastic above it off

It's a pain

But you can

But if you mess up then you ruin the socket

And wdum with alcohol

Cause you guys were talking about it not having the plastic off but how would that work

The thermal paste is in the socket itself

[fossil cedar]

The alcohol should kinda loosen it enough to come out

[tepid roost]

Um

I don't understand how you'd get the alcohol on there tho

Is it not conductive

[potent portal]

Correct it's not conductive

[stoic island]

Isopropyl alcohol is usually effective with helping clean thermal paste off the cpu itself generally, it's not conductive and it dries out cleanly (assuming 90%+)

[tepid roost]

Oh so 99% isn't conductive?

[potent portal]

That's why you use 99% or 100% alcohol

[tepid roost]

Then could I pour a little on and maybe tip it over and it come out?

[fossil cedar]

Also wait a little while before touching the motherboard to make sure it's dry

[tepid roost]

Ye

[potent portal]

It dries very quickly

[stoic island]

It should help loosen it but needle should do the heavy lifting getting it out, if possible

[fossil cedar]

Not physically touching but putting cpu or power in

[tepid roost]

Mr I also have one other issue

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but especially if using lower % alcohol

[tepid roost]

When I used the needle to try and fix it

The socket got messed up a little bit

The plastic did

Ok

[cyan ravine]

[tepid roost]

Felllllix

Wtf

You didn't tell me I could pour alcohol on it to loosen it

[digital nebula]

I'm ready to go home and buy my shtuff

[cyan ravine]

we did

[potent portal]

I definitely did

[tepid roost]

You said only if took the plastic socket off

You didn't say directly into the motherboard

Onto*

Can I just pour it onto my CPU pins to clean that off?

I don't mind getting a new mobo

[potent portal]

"Everything"

[tepid roost]

Cause the USB 3.0 is also burnt

Oh I misunderstood I'm dumb

Well I'm gonna return my CPU and use my 3600x

I got 99% of the paste off but I wanna use alcohol to make sure before I put it in my mobo

[cyan ravine]

I read you got a 5800X for a 5600X price?

[tepid roost]

Yea

[cyan ravine]

that's a hell of a deal, I'd keep that tbh

[tepid roost]

Not a current 5600 felix

[cyan ravine]

I realise where you are emotionally but that's just good

yea I know

[tepid roost]

Like 220 so a month ago or so

Ok

Um

[stoic island]

See if you can get a replacement instead of refund

[tepid roost]

I'd have to buy a new cooler which I just can't do rn lol

Wdum mr

[stoic island]

If you have problems with the 5800x, they might offer replacement 5800x

[tepid roost]

I just need a new mobo cause the one I have works but lacks things because yeah

[cyan ravine]

tbh I'd try cleaning the current mobo, then try with the 3600x

[tepid roost]

I'm returning the 5800x because I just bought it 30m ago mr

[digital nebula]

When I get home I'll probly jave a few questions before I ever buy anything

[cyan ravine]

then if you fixed everything, swap in 5800x

[tepid roost]

I'll do that Felix but I'm gonna keep the mobo I got in case

[cyan ravine]

I'd just keep the 5800x tbh

[tepid roost]

Bro the 5800x isn't usable until I get a new cooler

[cyan ravine]

it is

just keep it and upgrade to a new cooler later

[potent portal]

It's usable but it'll throttle

[tepid roost]

Bruuuuuuuh

[potent portal]

You won't get much if any boost using it

[cyan ravine]

you definitely want a new cooler but it's not unusable

[tepid roost]

So return the mobo then?

[cyan ravine]

you bought a mobo too?

[raw yacht]

Who needs a mobo anyway? Overrated

[tepid roost]

Yes cause reasons felix

[raw yacht]

Just run straight cpu

[tepid roost]

Felix

It's not been a good dau

[raw yacht]

Throw the mobo out

[tepid roost]

Gotchu bro

[cyan ravine]

I'm just catching up sorry I've been up all night

[tepid roost]

I'll return the mobo

And keep the CPU

Try and fix the mobo

Use the 3600x and figure out if it works

[cyan ravine]

then get a new cooler after it all works

[tepid roost]

Ok

Idk if I'd need a new case as well

[cyan ravine]

we can work it out

there are a ton of options tbh

[tepid roost]

Kill me

I used to love working on PCs until last night felix

[cyan ravine]

I feel you man cleaning a socket is no fun lol

but thankfully it's am4 and not lga

lga is just, plain worse

[tepid roost]

But Felix

[mossy venture]

Pa120 would cool a 5800x

That or ag620 would be my choice

[tepid roost]

The only thing is idk if the plastic is messed up on my old mobo

Tell me this

[cyan ravine]

messed up?

[tepid roost]

Would I know if it's messed up or not and whether my CPU fit properly if the PC still booted to windows then insta bsoded

It just wouldnt start at all if one corner wasn't in properly right?

[cyan ravine]

ye it wouldn't

more than half the pins wouldn't be contacting if it wasn't in right

[tepid roost]

My 3600x booted to windows and then crashed so that should mean it's still usable just the thermal paste issue then

[cyan ravine]

ye

[tepid roost]

Ok

Going to best buy to return this then

[cyan ravine]

you're not at the point of no return yet with the old mobo

[potent portal]

And yet at the same time so much better

[cyan ravine]

truth

no removing the cpu with the cooler dramas on lga

done that at least once or twice with the 5900X

[tepid roost]

But I really would much rather return the 5800x

I think it was 240 not 220

[cyan ravine]

if you want to go for it

but for 220 it's not bad

[potent portal]

I've done it a few times too, very nearly killed a 2700 when I did the twist you're supposed to do and it twisted right off... bending pins on the way out with the cpu still attached

[cyan ravine]

AAAAHH

[potent portal]

Luckily I was able to bend them back and I only lost PPT sensor

[cyan ravine]

that's a horrible thought

[tepid roost]

Ok I'm returning it and getting alcohol both to drink and use on the CPU :/

And if anything I don't get why I didn't just flush everything in the first place Felix if it meant waiting a bit for it to dry but me most likely fine

[cyan ravine]

I've never done that before tho tbh

[tepid roost]

Bruuuuh

Falcie I'm sorry I didn't know alcohol was non conductive

[cyan ravine]

yeah and tbf fal'cie was saying to do it

[potent portal]

As far as straight pouring the alcohol on, yeah I haven't done that either but I have dabbed with a cotton ball to get it into targeted areas

[cyan ravine]

yeah I'm not clear on the whole "pouring" thing

[potent portal]

The theory there is the moving liquid helps dislodge and remove the particles

[cyan ravine]

I've gone as far as wipes and a few drops but not copious amounts beyond that

[tepid roost]

I don't plan on soaking

But taking it out and pouring some in the socket

[potent portal]

Maybe a spray bottle on the jet setting

[cyan ravine]

probably the most I'd go

one or two sprays at best

[potent portal]

You get more pressure on it that way than a pour too

[tepid roost]

Ok

I'll ask more when I get home and get ready to try

Plus if things work out and all I need is a more recent CPU like a 5600 then I can upgrade you now

Gpu*

[ornate condor]

any decent 360mm aio with lcd display ?

[cyan ravine]

ek vision lux

pick any other and it's worse

[mossy venture]

These worse ones include nzxt aios and corsair aios

[ornate condor]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-liquid-cooling-system-icue-h150i-elite-capellix-white/p/N82E16835181216

OOS sadly

what about this one https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MPG-CORELIQUID-K360-Liquid/dp/B08XKDWHSB

[cyan ravine]

nope

Ek vision lux or you settle for worse

[mossy venture]

you can add an lcd display in the pc seperately

sips did it for what, $60?

[ornate condor]

links pls

[mossy venture]

i don't have links to what he got, I would ask him directly

[cyan ravine]

honestly the best way to do it

[potent portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTdniu3gn3Y&t=16s

You can put whatever you want on the display

[tepid roost]

@cyan ravine I returned the 5800x cause if my mobo and current CPU (3600x) work then in a few days I can buy a 5600 and then upgrade my gpu to a 3060 ti

Because a 3600x will bottleneck a 3070 ti

[mossy venture]

are you playing at 1440p?

[tepid roost]

Nah

[mossy venture]

1080p?

[tepid roost]

My friend had the issue and that's why I say it's a bottleneck but is it diff at 1080p

[mossy venture]

ah ok

if it were 1440p it wouldnt be a bottleneck

well, not much of one

[cyan ravine]

1080p you'll be a little bottlenecked yeah

depends on the games

some games definitely

others meh

also sorry to do this to you @tepid roost but ima be away for a few hours I have some work to do

[tepid roost]

All good lol

[cyan ravine]

If you want to ping me in maybe, 4 hours time? I can help more

[tepid roost]

I'll just ask Mr for help in the meantime

Alright I'll let you know how things go in a bit at the very least lol

[cyan ravine]

Bacca and Fal are also very helpful as well as Pato

we've all been here a long time

[mossy venture]

dont you go calling me things felix

[stoic island]

Any yellow people

[tepid roost]

Yea

Mr

You've been designated already cause you replied earlier

[stoic island]

Bacca is honorary yellow

Hi

[mossy venture]

sometimes

[cyan ravine]

lol

[tepid roost]

So mr

Do you have experience with using alchohol on a PC?

[stoic island]

I've just used lots of isopropyl alcohol wipes on cleaning various bits

[cyan ravine]

one more thing, when you do this btw, unplug all power to the mobo and battery out

[tepid roost]

I cant use wipes for what I need done

I will

[cyan ravine]

just in case

[tepid roost]

I'ma gonna take the mobo out

[cyan ravine]

good

mobo battery out too

[stoic island]

Yea, just gotta drip some in and hope for the best

[tepid roost]

And do it separately as well as the cpu

Mobo battery out?

[cyan ravine]

alr 👋

[tepid roost]

Idk how to do that

[stoic island]

The cmos battery

It's in the middle of the board, there's like a little lever thing

[tepid roost]

Cya felix

[stoic island]

Pull it and it comes out

[tepid roost]

I know what it be but is it just a lever and that's it?

[stoic island]

Good luck Felix man

[tepid roost]

Ok

Also should i worry about touching it in a specific way or anything

[stoic island]

It's like a little metal bit where the watch battery is at that helps you get it out

[tepid roost]

Ok

[stoic island]

It's just a classic watch battery, it's not exactly dangerous

Just don't be too rough with the mechanism

[tepid roost]

I meant could I mess it up by doing something like holding it wrong or something

[stoic island]

Nah it's just a normal battery

[tepid roost]

Ight cool

Can I use a spray bottle to spray in the socket on my mobo?

And what's the big deal with pouring it on just so I can understand

Is it just that I would have to wait a while for it to dry to be sure or something else

[potent portal]

The jet setting would be best with a bottle so it's a stream and not a mist

[tepid roost]

Ok good

[potent portal]

Pouring it would mean getting the alcohol over everything else, and whatever the alcohol removes gets spread around, not that thermal paste is likely to hurt anything

[tepid roost]

I'm positive it'll come out if it's like that tjen

Spraying would still get alchohol on the mobo in other places tho right so maybe be a bit careful with that too?

Thermal paste is finessing me so hard despite it not really being an issue lol

[potent portal]

Yep. If you want you can put a paper towel barrier around the socket to help with cleanup

[tepid roost]

Simply cause pins blocked :/

Alright

What about the cpu

[stoic island]

The isopropyl alcohol getting in places isn't that big of a problem in itself, it's just that the cleanup becomes more annoying if it gets everywhere

[tepid roost]

I'm gonna have the CPU itself can I just use the spray bottle and spray that too?

[potent portal]

Just spray the pins over the sink for the CPU, no worries there. AM4 is sealed around the lid.

[stoic island]

CPU itself, as long as there's no thermal paste on the pins, can be left alone

[tepid roost]

Do I need to dry the alcohol some or does it help to dry faster and thats it

[stoic island]

The alcohol dries pretty fast on its own if you don't pour too much

[potent portal]

A hairdryer would help dry it faster but it won't take long

[tepid roost]

CPU has a little bit of paste on the pins

So is there a point to cleaning up if idc about dry time too much?

[stoic island]

Just don't want it to get in a puddle in some crevice where it doesn't dry easily lol

[tepid roost]

Yeah I'll make sure

[potent portal]

If it was a lower % alcohol then you'd want to clean it afterwards but with very high % like 99% it'll just evaporate with no real residue

[stoic island]

Yea, with lower concentration there's other stuff in there that might not dry well but with high concentration isopropyl alcohol it'll just dry on its own without any residue

[digital nebula]

ok so as i said earlier today someone mentioned i should get this motherboard https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089CZSQB4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1FJ9SEK1UVDTX&psc=1

but the wait seems a bit long and ive been trying to hurry up and put all my stuff together so that its not all just sitting collecting dust basically

would there be any other boards i could possibly look at?

i also cant remember if gpus have to be like put in the motherboard specified for that brand of gpu so i got a 3070ti with a 5800x3d and if i can id like to go amd for the motherboard because i would assume the cpu needs that or will work better with that

[potent portal]

GPUs don't care what board they're on

This one is a no frills board but cheaper and capable, plus ships faster https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550-gaming-gen3/p/N82E16813144574?Item=N82E16813144574&quicklink=true

Or take your pick of these https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/ZPDkcf,TR848d,pFRYcf,JVJgXL/

[digital nebula]

oh also do you know alot about cases too? i was told that i could get a specific case for a theme im kind of wanting to follow. along with an aio. cause if i can id like to transfer some of the fans i already have in the pc that i have rn over even though theyre not white

cause the case im getting is going to be white if i decide that i actually want to get it

https://www.newegg.com/white-phanteks-eclipse-g360a-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854117?Item=N82E16811854117

https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-liquid-cooling-system-ls720/p/N82E16835856219?Item=N82E16835856219

[potent portal]

That's a decent case, and a top tier cooler

The case does come with the 3 RGB fans on the front and the cooler will cover the 3 on the top, so if you wanted you could transplant an old fan to be rear exhaust or just leave it off. It won't matter much either way.

[digital nebula]

wouldnt i be able to do some fans on the bottom of the case or would that be pointless? cause i mean shoot 7 fans would probably be enough

thats if i take one fan and put it on the back