like price comparison to other gpus, performance, etc. i’m not trying to compare it to like 4090s and etc but
#building-and-recc-chat
manic cloak
potent portal
6950 XT does almost everything the 4070 ti does for $100 less
Except DLSS 3.0 which is still iffy anyway
manic cloak
i see
uneven goblet
guys is it better to get 2x 16gb or 4 x 8 gb
?
cyan ravine
2x16 usually but it depends on the motherboard
uneven goblet
oh thanks
how can i tell the diffrence if its depends on motherboard?
what should i look for?
potent portal
You'd pretty much only want 4x8 on a quad channel motherboard, like you'd find in a server or workstation
Most consumer grade things prefer having 2 slots occupied.
uneven goblet
oh thanks
also
do i need to look in ram that has dual channel?
and whats dual rank?
potent portal
No dual channel is not up to the memory to decide, but the motherboard.
Usually when a kit says "dual channel" it means it's a pair of 2 sticks
uneven goblet
Usually when a kit says "dual channel" it means it's a pair of 2 sticks
thanks :)
potent portal
Dual rank isn't something you need to look for, just nice to have when overclocking
And even then not really necessary
potent portal
Most people don't need to do any overclocking besides enabling XMP
You don't usually get a fps boost from faster memory speed or tighter timings, but you can reduce stuttering in some cases
uneven goblet
Most people don't need to do any overclocking besides enabling XMP
xmp is for ram?
uneven goblet
You don't usually get a fps boost from faster memory speed or tighter timings, b...
i will do alot of rendering so i ask just in case if i missed something
thanks for helping me :)
potent portal
xmp is for ram?
Yes it's the rated memory speed profile. By default a kit rated at 3600 c18 might run at 2666 c22 for rock stable operation, so enabling the XMP gets you the speed the manufacturer has tested to be working.
potent portal
i will do alot of rendering so i ask just in case if i missed something
Rendering doesn't typically need fast memory
uneven goblet
just alot of it?
potent portal
Depends on your overall budget and what program you'll be using for rendering
uneven goblet
3d modeling solidworks, rendering keyshot
1200$ for whole pc
maybe more if i really need it
potent portal
Solidworks does play nice with AMD too
cyan ravine
It does, RDNA 2 is really nice
uneven goblet
Solidworks does play nice with AMD too
it dosent work with keyshot tho
cyan ravine
If anything actually a lot better
potent portal
1200$ for whole pc
Is that USD?
uneven goblet
eh i would still go for nvidia
potent portal
What country is it for
cyan ravine
Euro would make more sense if it's where you are
potent portal
Prices vary wildly by region
uneven goblet
What country is it for
Bosnia but dont look really deep into it
uneven goblet
Prices vary wildly by region
yea
uneven goblet
Euro would make more sense if it's where you are
true
uneven goblet
whats wrong with 3060ti
cyan ravine
Nothing I'm just considering vram
uneven goblet
oh ok
potent portal
It's not a great value buy, and the extra vram of the plain 3060 can help with large models
cyan ravine
As well as a good cpu tbh
uneven goblet
It's not a great value buy, and the extra vram of the plain 3060 can help with l...
but isnt 3060ti faster than 3060?
cyan ravine
Take me back to the days I struggled with a 4 core to do any modelling 
potent portal
Yeah, probably a 12600k if you can squeeze it into the budget but a 12400 would work fine too
cyan ravine
but isnt 3060ti faster than 3060?
It is but lower vram
potent portal
but isnt 3060ti faster than 3060?
Technically you're correct, and it will be faster as long as the 8gb vram is not full, but once that fills performance falls off a cliff
uneven goblet
Technically you're correct, and it will be faster as long as the 8gb vram is not...
but i will have 32 gb ram?
potent portal
The model itself has to be rendered in GPU memory
uneven goblet
ohh
cyan ravine
Accessing from the dram instead of the gpu's vram will be the performance falling off a cliff moment
Not to mention you kinda don't wanna take from the cpu ram anyway in these things
potent portal
If you're doing lots of smaller models, by all means go 3060 ti. But if you're doing larger and more complex projects the extra vram can help a lot.
cyan ravine
Hell I'd consider maybe even more ram tbh like 64gb
Depends how heavy you see yourself using programs that go along with solidworks tho
uneven goblet
If you're doing lots of smaller models, by all means go 3060 ti. But if you're d...
i think it will fit in 8gb vram
im like doing icecream showcase ,
potent portal
Ok, just keep in mind if it does fill that vram best case scenario is it slows down. Worst case it crashes the PC.
If it's something small then you should be ok.
uneven goblet
yea it wont fill that much of vram, im using 1050ti rn 💀
potent portal
Fair enough
uneven goblet
its just bad image quality
but i will keep it in mind
so what should i go for cpu?
intel or ryzne?
potent portal
Intel is the better value right now
uneven goblet
what gen?
potent portal
12600k if you can fit it in the budget, 12400 otherwise
uneven goblet
12400 like 5600x?
potent portal
Yes they're pretty comparable
uneven goblet
but how i got it they arent really for productiivty they are for gamers in budget?
potent portal
CPUs are general purpose, they'll brute force calculate whatever you ask them to
uneven goblet
i was thinking about 5800x but its really bad price for performace plus its overheating right?
potent portal
Nah if you were considering that you'd want a 5700X instead
mossy venture
13500 is a good choice depending on price
cyan ravine
13500 good too
mossy venture
13400f is$210
uneven goblet
ok let me look it up in my country
uneven goblet
634 KM = around 320 €
cyan ravine
For which one?
uneven goblet
634 KM = around 320 €
same price like 5800x
uneven goblet
For which one?
12600K
cyan ravine
Would still pick
mossy venture
And 13400/13400f?
cyan ravine
Ye check those
potent portal
They might not be out in Bosnia tbh
mossy venture
Yeah, can't hurt to check though
uneven goblet
And 13400/13400f?
13400f same price as before
mossy venture
I've been half awake for like an hour and I have to actually get up now
uneven goblet
13400 is like 400€
mossy venture
13400f same price as 12600k?
uneven goblet
yea but only 1 seller
mossy venture
That'd be a toss up between the two then, they've near identical perf I believe
cyan ravine
Easy 12600k
mossy venture
Wb 12600kf
potent portal
That'd be a toss up between the two then, they've near identical perf I believe
There's not enough reviews of the 13400 to make that call
mossy venture
Ah ok
uneven goblet
There's not enough reviews of the 13400 to make that call
and plus there are only 1 guy who is selling it
so 12600k
potent portal
I'd just go the safe route with the 12600k
uneven goblet
I'd just go the safe route with the 12600k
true
cyan ravine
12600K then maybe even 64gb
uneven goblet
12600K then maybe even 64gb
i thinks that to much
cyan ravine
This isn't a gaming system tho lol
uneven goblet
32 is just enough
uneven goblet
This isn't a gaming system tho lol
ik
mossy venture
If a 3060 ti is enough for their blender work, 32gb should be too, no?
uneven goblet
If a 3060 ti is enough for their blender work, 32gb should be too, no?
yea
cyan ravine
All good
mossy venture
Got confused with the benchmark fal sent of blender with cpus for some reason
uneven goblet
Got confused with the benchmark fal sent of blender with cpus for some reason
happens to all of us
cyan ravine
Also associated programs to solidworks like autocad and creo, they all want a boatload of ram
potent portal
According to the solidworks site
Minimum amount of RAM recommended by SOLIDWORKS: 16GB. Our recommendation for running SOLIDWORKS comfortably: 32GB. If running Simulations or working with large datasets, we recommend at least 64GB.
cyan ravine
Ye
uneven goblet
Also associated programs to solidworks like autocad and creo, they all want a bo...
yea i will do autocad too
cyan ravine
Ok then yeah def not 3060ti
mossy venture
What do they clarify as large datasets though
cyan ravine
3060 12gb easily for autocad
That's a no brainer
And 64gb
I've done workstation builds like this before, they work well
potent portal
Yep agreed with Felix, if it was only the one program running it'd be fine
But it's not so it's not
cyan ravine
what should i go for motherboard
Cheapest decent z690 or a really good b660(m)
You won't actually be overclocking it, just taking advantage of the cores
uneven goblet
whats diffrence betwen them?
potent portal
Z has overclocking and (iirc??) more io
The extra IO is a trend, not a rule. It has more available but Manufacturers can still cheap out.
uneven goblet
pcie 4?
cyan ravine
Meh
potent portal
Both will have it
uneven goblet
z690 is like 200$
cyan ravine
Is that, any z690?
uneven goblet
A nice gen 4 ssd *if it fits*
1 tb of nvmeright?
uneven goblet
there is lot of gigabyte z690 ud ddr4
uneven goblet
around 200$
uneven goblet
they are the cheapest
potent portal
Just about any z690 will run a 12600k stock
As long as it has a heatsink on VRM, doesn't need to be chonky
uneven goblet
they are asrock but same price
cyan ravine
Ok how about b660(m)?
uneven goblet
what is M for?
potent portal
Micro ATX
cyan ravine
It's a smaller size therefore cheaper to make
Not entirely true but you get the idea
It strips extras out of a full atx (you likely won't need them anyway)
cyan ravine
Eh sadge
uneven goblet
i can look for more premium one
cyan ravine
Then a good dual tower cooler
uneven goblet
but whats the diffrence betwen them?
cyan ravine
Z690 has a much better vrm
It also should have more nvme expansion, and a better rear io
I think you also get qflash iirc?
uneven goblet
i looked for amd motherboard more then i wanted ryzen , the intel one are new to me
cyan ravine
Now you should find the cheapest dual tower
uneven goblet
120mm?
fossil cedar
120mm is the fan size ye
cyan ravine
For those parts you'll probably want a 650W
uneven goblet
aha
cyan ravine
Don't fixate on gold or bronze or platinum, just find decent prices then let us know what you find
Or if it's quicker:
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
uneven goblet
should i look for tier list
cyan ravine
Compare to this list
uneven goblet
ok cool thanks
cyan ravine
Ye
potent portal
At least a tier C unit on that list, preferably a B or better if it's not too much more
uneven goblet
im not doing large models
uneven goblet
At least a tier C unit on that list, preferably a B or better if it's not too mu...
thanks
cyan ravine
64gb but try and find the cheapest kit that is at most 3200MHz
Any higher and it'll be difficult to run at the rated speed
Vintage?
cyan ravine
Which one?
uneven goblet
1tb
cyan ravine
Which model ssd
uneven goblet
kingston
cyan ravine
Basically a gen 3 unless you pull the right version
uneven goblet
ž
cyan ravine
They mix chips on that ssd
So you don't know if you'll actually get gen 4 performance
Look up solidigm p41 plus
uneven goblet
so thats why they are same price like pcie 3
uneven goblet
Look up solidigm p41 plus
ok i will
i gotta go now i will see you later
plus i will make pc part list
cyan ravine
Ok
fossil cedar
You'd be way better spending that extra money on a 13600k
7600x requires a way more expensive motherboard and requires ddr5
Whereas you can use ddr4 on 13600k
obsidian wigeon
13600k should be in stock tho
obsidian wigeon
huh okay, then compare it to 12600k
uneven goblet
the 12600K about 350$
cyan ravine
he's not in us guys
obsidian wigeon
what about 13400F?
uneven goblet
what about 13400F?
only 1 seller
uneven goblet
yea
obsidian wigeon
7600x isn't a good choice like pato said
cyan ravine
not really unless it's significantly cheaper here
cyan ravine
aorus elite has bios flash button?
uneven goblet
350$ i5-12600K and motherboard GIGABYTE Z690 UD 229$
uneven goblet
aorus elite has bios flash button?
yes
cyan ravine
ok fair enough
uneven goblet
but i will check again
cyan ravine
that's a significant price gap
cyan ravine
you specifically need one with bios flash button
uneven goblet
not to expensive not too cheap
cyan ravine
it's a white button called 'Q-Flash"
uneven goblet
yes it has qflash
cyan ravine
ok good
uneven goblet
350$ i5-12600K and motherboard GIGABYTE Z690 UD 229$
this one have qflash too
cyan ravine
pointless if 5700x is cheaper
literally the same cpu
much like 5600 vs 5600x, same cpus
uneven goblet
so this time im paying for number not letter?
empty pollen
no
uneven goblet
i guess not?
cyan ravine
5700X can use a stock cooler
uneven goblet
cyan ravine
5800X wants a 360 aio but doesn't deserve one
uneven goblet
i think it needs more
i read reddit about it
temperature were high
but said it was normal
when its idle its like 40C
bruh
fossil cedar
he's not in us guys
Exactly which is why ddr5 pricing sucks even more
uneven goblet
5700x with motherboard = 412$
or
i5 12600K with motherboard = 579$
uneven goblet
Exactly which is why ddr5 pricing sucks even more
true
fossil cedar
350$ i5-12600K and motherboard GIGABYTE Z690 UD 229$
If you don't want to overlclock you can get a cheaper b660 or h670 motherboard btw with the 12600k
For those prices I'd go 5700x
gentle pollen
Not sure which chat to ask in, sorry in advance if this is the wrong one.
I am looking into a new server provider for my game servers and I was wondering if you guys have any recommendations.
My budget is up to $100/mo.
gentle pollen
I use to have the titan plan from them but the server wasn't powerful enough.
and I need at least 2 servers at about the same performance so the cost adds up.
They do?
I am gonna check that real quick.
do you happen to know what CPU the custom plan offers by any chance?
woven horizon
Whoever tagged me idk what happened to the comment.
gentle pollen
I am thinking about getting some lights or LEDs to spice up the interior of my PC, could you guys recommend some to me?
Requirements: addressable RGB.
leaden raft
any recs on how to let my meshilicous fit better, the 90 degree i tried to get didnt even work
cyan ravine
I always think of tongs every time I see that
Them leafy tongs won't really stab
Ah tongs is the safe word for knives
STAY BACK SHE'S GOT TONGS
leaden raft
anyone able to help?
gentle pollen
Thanks, just put a few into my cart.
Do you happen to know of any exotic lighting stuff?
I want to really spice up my PC's interior.
I currently have a crystal beach in mine.
fossil cedar
anyone able to help?
Gonna still need elaboration on that
That is missing a good chunk of context
gentle pollen
Ahh okay.
Thoughts?
In the early stages currently of the crystal and gemstone beach.
If I go back to Alaska in a few months to pickup my car I will be able to grab my rubies, garnets, aventurine, and other crystals.
dim reef
ok so i have an xbox rn and i’m planning to finish getting and building my pc entirely. I’m probably gonna get a desk for my birthday in may. What should i buy first for the setup? (monitor included in build btw)
gentle pollen
Is Asiahorse good? Because I just found these which would go nicely with my crystal theme.
mhmm part of me feels like taking the risk at that pricing for a similar product.
$13 a pop vs $65
heavy bone
Hello everyone I am looking for some help with the custom Laptop I am building out of my old bulky military laptop case it has plenty of room to hold a desktop motherboard and corresponding parts that go with it and has pre-set hole made in the case for things like the motherboard ports and SSD tray and a small graphics card if I wanted it but the problem I am running into is how to wire/solder the monitor and keyboard to the board without messing the board up and wasting a good motherboard
The board I am using is a ASUS ROG Z790-I gaming motherboard
gentle pollen
You are hereby Acus-ed of called Asus, "Acus"!
heavy bone
Hey now I fixed it once I noticed it
gentle pollen
I am just messing with ya.
heavy bone
Trust me I am trying my best to learn everything I can just wish it came with a wiring chart of everything
languid nimbus
For sure, that’s no cheap mobo
fossil cedar
It feels like you'd me way better off building a really small form factor pc and slapping a monitor to the case imho
heavy bone
Probably but I got my mind set on it now so there ain't no stopping it plus who would want to say that they built the worlds fastest gaming laptop 😂
potent portal
The issue with the keyboard is they always use proprietary connectors and ribbon cables that won't connect to any consumer parts
gentle pollen
Hello everyone I am looking for some help with the custom Laptop I am building o...
Why not just create a area for the keyboard and use the usb on the keyboard to connect it?
this way you can even swap keyboards when you wanna change it.
potent portal
The screen is easier but will require a lot of engineering know how. Or replace the stock screen with a large raspberry pi screen powered by USB C.
wet jay
Hey guys. I’m needing some help
I have a laptop & recently tried to update windows
Then this came up. I downloaded windows on a flash drive and have it plugged in
I’d prefer to not lose everything. I have sooo much stuff on my computer
But I got to the screen that says “Use a device”, “troubleshoot”, and “turn off your pc” and it just resets
Any time that I click on “use a device” and then try to boot off of the USB, it just sends me back to this screen
potent portal
I have a laptop & recently tried to update windows
Try resetting the bios to default settings. You might also need to update bios in some cases.
wet jay
Try resetting the bios to default settings. You might also need to update bios i...
Do I go into bios setup to do that?
potent portal
Do I go into bios setup to do that?
That's one way yes. It's usually on a menu marked exit or boot.
dim reef
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K78WsL or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NBz2Dq
im looking to build a pc mostly used for gaming
wet jay
New problem - it says I’ve used 447gb of storage but I don’t know why😭
dim reef
budget is $1100-$1200 and yes US
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K78WsL or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NBz2Dq
id change the 12400f a bit to look like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PrgDv3
potent portal
New problem - it says I’ve used 447gb of storage but I don’t know why😭
Use windirstat and it can help you figure out what folders are using the most space https://windirstat.net/download.html
According to the wegg listing yes
high yew
planning on selling a mobo that I have laying around, anything I need to clear on mobo side or just take everything out and pass it onto the next guy?
potent portal
There's no personal info stored in a motherboard, only settings, so you're safe to just sell it
high yew
sweeet, sounds good. maybe reset the bios before selling it to him if i wanna be a nice guy or that won't matter?
presumably since you said settings im assuming your referring to the bios?
potent portal
Doesn't matter much but you can pull out the CMOS battery to reset the bios
Just leave it out for a few minutes and it'll clear
high yew
sounds good.
one more question, i've tried doing research on it but can't seem to find my answer without someone advertising some program, but i picked up a new m.2 from newegg, planning on using it on my new board. how do i go about clearing my current m.2 so i can have it as a storage typa thing?
potent portal
Do you want to copy your windows install or are you just doing a fresh install?
high yew
fresh. boot drive will be my new m.2 that i have when my board gets here
potent portal
Ok. That's easy. Take out the old drive, install Windows, put the old drive back in making sure it still boots from the new drive, then delete the partitions off the old drive.
Then you're free to make a new partition for storage
high yew
gotcha, so throw the old drive in after i've already set up windows and whatnot?
potent portal
Yes, that way windows doesn't try to use your existing boot partition
high yew
it should be good to just delete with no issues? had stuff before that says it isn't allowed to be deleted, not because it's being used, but just because it can't be deleted. i believe going into safe mode allows you to delete anything
high yew
Yes, that way windows doesn't try to use your existing boot partition
sweeeet sounds good. thanks!
potent portal
it should be good to just delete with no issues? had stuff before that says it i...
If that happens you can load up an admin command prompt and use diskpart clean on the drive, that'll reset it completely except for stats
high yew
love it. thanks!
k darn i got one more lol. sorry.
is there anything i have to do regarding switching the win key on this mobo when i sell it? i remember last time i switched boards i had to type some stuff into the command prompt before i switched boards so that it almost unregistered itself from old board. linking it to the new board made me go through a whole setup bc i have a retail key so im questioning if typing some stuff in the command prompt was even worth it?
potent portal
Are you signed into a Microsoft account on windows 10 or higher?
high yew
Are you signed into a Microsoft account on windows 10 or higher?
yes, win 10 currently w a retail key
potent portal
Then the key is tied to your account and there's no need to deactivate
You just run the activation troubleshooter on the new system you want to transfer the key to
high yew
awesome. thank you fal! <3
potent portal
Happy to help
Open the tree under C, it's probably only showing things that are stored on the root of the drive right now and will show more detail when you expand it
You could also tell it to open again with ctrl+O and select the C drive, and it'll analyze it fully in a few seconds to a couple minutes depending on the speed of the drive
wet jay
Sorry to annoy you ):
potent portal
btw your name is in here
wet jay
Oop
potent portal
Windows is clearly being dum
wet jay
Yeah it’s so odd I don’t understand
potent portal
Not the first time I've seen a glitch like that tbh
It does look like the drive Windows is on is pretty small, if you want to free up some of that space there's a few things you can do
wet jay
If I recall correctly, this laptop should only have 1 storage device? I haven’t upgraded it, anyways
potent portal
If that's true then it's set up so that Windows is on one partition and the rest is for storage on a different one
In which case it's a simple matter of deleting the second partition and extending the main one
wet jay
Would I need to download another program to do so?
potent portal
Nope Windows disk management works fine
Right click the start button and you'll find it
wet jay
Okay, here’s what I’m seeing here
potent portal
Well there's a lot more numbers not adding up there lol
wet jay
jolly riverBOT
Link to a general windows fixes and scans by Risen
https://github.com/Ryzen5950XT/Windows-stuff/releases/download/Windows-utilities-and-fixes-batch-file/Win.Utils.Fixes.Latest.launcher.bat
potent portal
It's habit by now lol
plain grove
Anyone know how to download wifi drivers
potent portal
Link to a general windows fixes and scans by Risen
https://github.com/Ryzen5950X...
Run that bat file and tell it to run chkdsk from the fixes menu
potent portal
Anyone know how to download wifi drivers
For what wifi card?
wet jay
Run that bat file and tell it to run chkdsk from the fixes menu
This is for me, right?
potent portal
Yes
plain grove
Tp link
wet jay
Okie dokie, thanks 🙂
plain grove
Also if I can’t access internet how can I download the drivers
empty pollen
thru your phone
potent portal
Tp link
They've got a few dozen models and each uses different drivers, can you be more specific?
empty pollen
then plug your phone to the pc
plain grove
It’s forcing me to use Ethernet
potent portal
You can download it to your phone and plug it into your pc to copy the drivers like ravell said
plain grove
I see
potent portal
Back in the day you had to download it on another computer and copy the drivers to a usb drive... So much better now
empty pollen
yup
having 2 pcs at home is a blessing sometimes
or a laptop
now you can use your phone as a second computer
plain grove
It’s the tp link ac 1300
empty pollen
literally
potent portal
It’s the tp link ac 1300
I'm going to assume that it's the T6E model since that's the most common right now
plain grove
Yes that’s the one
plain grove
desert nebula
What's the latest cpu I can get for my motherboard. It's a Intel H77 Motherboard.
potent portal
It could still be either
plain grove
V2
potent portal
What's the latest cpu I can get for my motherboard. It's a Intel H77 Motherboard...
3770K is the best you can do
desert nebula
is better than the i5 2400s?
leaden mauve
What's the latest cpu I can get for my motherboard. It's a Intel H77 Motherboard...
whats the actual model
potent portal
thats quite old
Yup a full 10 years old
leaden mauve
is better than the i5 2400s?
yea by a notable margin
potent portal
is better than the i5 2400s?
Yes
empty pollen
at that point you better swap the whole mobo+mem+cpu
instead
as 12100 could be a massive upgrade and very cheap if you are on a tight budget
desert nebula
potent portal
is better than the i5 2400s?
Rough comparison with a 12100 for scale https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2vs4687vs794/Intel-i7-3770K-vs-Intel-i3-12100-vs-Intel-i5-2400S
wet jay
Run that bat file and tell it to run chkdsk from the fixes menu
ok, so trying to run chkdsk and it says "Chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another
process. Would you like to schedule this volume to be
checked the next time the system restarts? (Y/N)
This volume will be checked the next time the system restarts."
I rebooted and was met with the same message
desert nebula
Rough comparison with a 12100 for scale https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2vs...
so which one is better
potent portal
It didn't do anything when you rebooted before it got to the OS?
wet jay
so which one is better
12100 by a long shot
wet jay
It didn't do anything when you rebooted before it got to the OS?
when it was booting up it said something about "fixing drives" and went through a few things, then booted back up like normal
potent portal
Good, see what disk management says now
desert nebula
How much do i sell the cpu, mobo and ram?
potent portal
CPU is going for $8 lol
desert nebula
really
potent portal
Motherboard is in the 20s
analog pulsar
@potent portal can't they go into files to see what's taking up all the storage
potent portal
Memory depends on how much there is but no more than $20
analog pulsar
Maybe windows doesn't display everything
desert nebula
i have 4x4
potent portal
<@396513761550270464> can't they go into files to see what's taking up all the s...
If it were that simple yes, but it's literally saying all the space doesn't exist, not that it's full
analog pulsar
If it were that simple yes, but it's literally saying all the space doesn't exis...
Even format disk thing
The app
potent portal
That's a last resort and hard to do while you're running windows off the disk
analog pulsar
No I mean to check if there's just a piece unloacated
potent portal
There's not
analog pulsar
Oh
potent portal
Partition size is 467GB in disk management
Used space is 29GB
3GB of free space somehow
analog pulsar
Bc screenshot they sent it seems like the storage was full from something
Yea this
potent portal
Right, it might seem that way but I had them run windirstat and it's not that
analog pulsar
Windows broken
potent portal
Okay, here’s what I’m seeing here
@analog pulsar
None of that adds up correctly or even matches what any other program was saying
obsidian wigeon
what older?
desert nebula
theres a new version of the card right? or am i wrong?
potent portal
How much is the older version of the rx 579?
I don't know of any "older" version but this is the cheaper 4gb version for $55 https://www.ebay.com/itm/314151373477
weary galleon
I men theres a 5700xt?
potent portal
Wouldn't that be the "newer" version though?
weary galleon
Yeah ik but maybe that's what they meant by newer 570
Oh they also asked for older
570 for $55 ain't bad tho
potent portal
Might have to flash it back to normal bios but that's easy
obsidian wigeon
they probably meant something like
570D
or something obscure
or that 570 that's actually 580 just on 570 vbios
you can flash some 570 to become 580
dim reef
want it
analog pulsar
None of that adds up correctly or even matches what any other program was saying
I see
frigid night
you can flash some 570 to become 580
Can you flash a 580 to be a 590?
potent portal
Not all 580s are good enough to pull off the clocks of the 590
frigid night
Not all 580s are good enough to pull off the clocks of the 590
I see. I have an XFX 580 8GB
Gonna throw it in a build and see what I can do.
mossy venture
590 normally ocs much worse than 580s though, also from a friend who had one of each (could just be coincidental and correlation not causation) the 590 had driver issues much more often
upper condor
Anyone have recommendations for desks?? Right now I have a random desk that wobbles a ton and barely fits my monitors. I just want one that has room for 2 monitors and maybe my tower 
Whats it called 🤔
elfin flame
empty pollen
Anyone have recommendations for desks?? Right now I have a random desk that wobb...
well desks fall into furniture, and those are bought under personal preference.... you just need to go out of your house and start searching at your furniture stores
those are not like tech items
one great for one person could end as ugly and small/too large for you
mine was an L desk bought at an office supplier... along with an office chair
well, IS
loving it so far
elfin flame
SHW Home Office 55-Inch Large Computer Desk, Black/Cherry https://a.co/d/aVkhnbO
I love this desk.
upper condor
Yeah I don't wanna go the "gaming chair" or "gaming desk" route because i know theyre gonna be insanely overpriced and not as high quality as other products
upper condor
Hm I'll have to check that out
My current desk is plastic wood and wobbles when I move my chair 😭
fossil cedar
Dam only like 4 £50 notes? Weak smh
elfin flame
Hm I'll have to check that out
Yea that's a good option if you want new. Easy assemble and instructions.
But I suggest looking around on craigslist and FB marketplace first. Lot of good finds on there.
empty pollen
the minimalist style is cool ngl, but when you sport a personal studio a big L desk is the way to go 😛
nothing some ol' fashioned plastic spiral cable wraps cant solve
oh
lyric thistle
I don't get the appeal of an L shaped desk
If I want two wings of desk I'll put them parallel to each other on opposite sides of the chair
I feel the same way about kitchens
rose scaffold
question for the forum - got my build set and operational. everything works great, but have one issue. every time the pc goes into sleep or restart/off, at turn on only 2 out of the 3 screens are recognized. i have to unplug the dvi from pc and replug and then its recognized and operational.
all monitors are plugged into GPU. thoughts on issue and solution??
jolly riverBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
rose scaffold
@fossil cedar appreciate that - let me explore if this will work
fossil cedar
Hopefully it does 🙂
gentle pollen
mine was an L desk bought at an office supplier... along with an office chair
L desks are neat. xD, normal desks are to small for me.
I use the L desk format where my setup like PC, consoles, etc are on the one side and the other side is for my lens wipes, peripheral storage, flowers, and food when I am eating at my desk.
I wonder if people make O shaped desks with just a small inlet to let you into the space. 
digital nebula
Finally making progress on trying to get a refund for this motherboard
Just got some automated message on the thing
stoic island
With what
steep ridge
I’m a first time builder and running into a problem building my pc
stoic island
And the problem is?
steep ridge
Nvme won’t register
steep ridge
Both
stoic island
So bios doesn't list it in boot options?
steep ridge
Ye#
stoic island
What drive and mobo
steep ridge
Samsung evo 970 plus
stoic island
And mobo?
steep ridge
Like the mother bord?
stoic island
Yes
steep ridge
Rog strix x570-I gaming
stoic island
Which slot is the drive plugged into
steep ridge
2
dim reef
cyan ravine
Both good builds but I'd pick the 12th gen
Also upgrade to silicon power gaming 32gb if you can afford it
It's like, $20 more?
Worth doing
And would def pick the asrock card over the msi mech, mech is noisy
weary galleon
Also i doubt you were actually planning to but don't spend that much on the g360A
$100 shipping lol
dim reef
$100 shipping lol
wait what? i thought the case was just $100
mossy venture
just changed it a little bit
for a bit less https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QhypsL
stoic island
Ds3h ax and pro ax both have wifi
potent portal
If it's a good model that wouldn't matter to me personally, though I do have a strong opinion of Walmart too
cyan ravine
Pylon is meh iirc
Tuf is also 80 but leadex better if it's on sale
Maybe he wan 2 monits
Focus 2
It is wifi
mossy venture
that mobo has wifi
cyan ravine
AX IS WIFI
mossy venture
ax
bleak sedge
has anyone mounted a deepcool ls720 wh in a corsair 4000d?
weary galleon
Weird $100 shipping on the case + a choice between 1080p or 1440 (two lists provided originally, each with a diff res)
Plus in that message they didn't say anything about budget nor wifi.
cyan ravine
has anyone mounted a deepcool ls720 wh in a corsair 4000d?
It'll fit
cyan ravine
Needs to fit on the front
bleak sedge
and i cant get it to fit on the front as the screws that go through the front dont reach the radiator
potent portal
There should be another set of screws
bleak sedge
i have short screws meant to hold the radiator to the top and then a set of long screws to hold the fans to the radiator
cyan ravine
Yes use the long screws* to feed through the fans and case and screw into the radiator
bleak sedge
they would not reach through the case
they pass about 1/16th of an inch maybe 1/32nd through so it does not reach the radiator
i mounted the radiator to the case instead and set the fans to push air through the radiator instead of from the outside
hollow steeple
Can someone help me build my pc
mossy venture
Can someone help me build my pc
actually building it or getting a parts list together?
hollow steeple
Actually building it
mossy venture
I'd watch a tutorial on youtube, it'd be much better than someone here explaining it to you
hollow steeple
Ok
bleak sedge
would i be able to mount the radiator to the front of the case instead of the fans as the screws wont reach the radiator if i did the fans mounted to the case?
floral ore
Do you guys know where to buy replacement cables for where they connect into my power button
earnest olive
that's most likely soldered into your case so you'll need to be comfortable desoldering
fossil cedar
would i be able to mount the radiator to the front of the case instead of the fa...
Either way works yea you can do fans first or rad first
tight tundra
Just built a pc don’t have a gpu in the pci-e slot yet. Waiting for for finances to let me purchase one but I’m having issues I keep getting a d6 motherboard code. I have an i9-13900k which states it has a built in graphic to do basic function of graphics but it won’t go through the boot menu or display a picture. Am I wrong or confused here. Was trying to get the pc setup so I can just install gpu later so I can game
fossil cedar
As long as it's the 13900k and not the kf it should work, try checking the motherboards manual to see what d6 code means
strong raft
Which mobo?
tight tundra
Msi Meg z790 godlike MOBO. D6 states no console output devices found
tight tundra
As long as it's the 13900k and not the kf it should work, try checking the mothe...
It’s not the KF
cyan ravine
Sounds like maybe you need to plug a keyboard and mouse in if I had to take a guess
Iirc D6 is near the end of the post sequence too so good chance
tight tundra
Have both plugged in have a SteelSeries apex pro keyboard and a Razer basilisk v3 wireless plugged in
cyan ravine
Double check the display cable is fully inserted
tight tundra
They seemed to be pushed in all the way. I just checked them again and am retrying boot sequence
But no dice
cyan ravine
Both cpu power connectors are in and seated correctly?
Mobo connected and seated correctly?
tight tundra
Yeah both are cpu power connectors are in and seated as well as MOBO. This motherboard has a mvision lcd screen and keeps telling me no graphics card found which is limiting the rest of the boot process 😭
I would post a pic but I don’t have those permissions
tight tundra
Yea a white led when it hits d6
cyan ravine
Try turning it off then holding the cmos button for 10 sec
tight tundra
Tried that and still comes up as a d6 error: “graphics card error; please check graphics card”
tight tundra
Tried that as well
cyan ravine
Well it must want a gpu first ig
It's posting so fwiw it works
I'm guess you have a gpu somewhere?
tight tundra
No, recently got laid off and had some time to start putting the pieces together. Won’t have money for the gpu for a few months. Just unfortunate I couldn’t get a head start on getting the OS and applications installed
obsidian wigeon
i think wireless devices doesn't work in bios
since in my experience with my wireless headset is that it only connects as soon as i boot into windows
mine also has dedicated receiver
it uses 2.4ghz wireless connection through a usb receiver
potent portal
It'll depend on whether the receiver is detected as an input device or a wireless device
2.4g ones can go either way
limber oyster
I think my 750w PSU is a bit much
cyan ravine
MEgR
analog hearth
limber oyster
Lol
tawny violet
question time lads
5700G-based system for cheap gaming with no GPU on a really tight budget
Yay or nay?
fossil cedar
No get a cheap cpu and used gpu it will absolutely slap a 5700g
Something like 10100f/12100f and like a 1060 or something
tawny violet
the plan would be to get a 6700XT like 6 months later
tawny violet
12th gen expensive here
Like really expensive
Anything over 10th gen is
tawny violet
Where are you?
still Hungary
strong raft
Ask some Q's &: https://youtu.be/gHY6ygHj80c
fossil cedar
still Hungary
Would just get a 5600g unless 5700g is cheaper for some reason
digital nebula
Got my refund today. On top of getting paid yesterday. Gonna buy the rest of my parts tomorrow
strong raft
Return*, but good. Ups taking it's time sending my w-2 for the seasonal work. 12400 | 3080 won't have the same ring to it as current name. 
tawny violet
Would just get a 5600g unless 5700g is cheaper for some reason
they are like
The same price in prebuilts
individually it's iirc within 10% price difference, but 5600G on it's own is almost never available
fossil cedar
Be careful with prebuilts and upgradability but sure
Especially if it's like hp dell etc
tawny violet
it's a local SI
they use standard parts (as far as I can tell)
I don't necessarily trust the PSUs they could use, but the rest seems okay
fossil cedar
Fair enough
dim forge
digital nebula
So what are the best motherboards to try and go for with the 5800x3d cpu?
digital nebula
Well best as in if it's going to help everything run better. And I don't really need wifi cause I'll be wired
potent portal
The motherboard has barely any say over how well the cpu runs
Unless you'll be overclocking, or using a high power cpu on a board with no vrm heatsinks
One of these would be perfectly fine depending on your preferred brand https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/7gxbt6,ZPDkcf,TR848d/
stoic island
Well best as in if it's going to help everything run better. And I don't really ...
To look at it another way
The best value 130$ motherboard lets you run your CPU at 100% performance.
The best 600$ motherboard lets you overclock your CPU to run at 105% performance for daily.
The best motherboard will just win, and if you're looking for the absolute best performance no matter the price, it's still better, but it's not worth the extra price over the average mid end board, unless you have cash to burn.
cyan ravine
Well best as in if it's going to help everything run better. And I don't really ...
The chip is intended to just run the same way in most AM4 motherboards, so sticking to something that can just handle it is fine.
There is no overclocking for X3D either, just curve optimiser which is undervolting
It's not like the rest of Zen 3 that could potentially make proper benefit from a good mobo
Not even diminishing, evaporating tbh
potent portal
Not that most people will miss the overclocking support, it's only a multiplier lock on X3D
stoic island
It's not like the rest of Zen 3 that could potentially make proper benefit from ...
But better traces for ram oc smh
cyan ravine
Eh, 1%? 2%?
X3D cache doesn't really care much about ram lol
Compared to the rest of Zen 3 that could make a good 10% - 20%
cyan ravine
Meh, even 3200 is fine
potent portal
Meh, even 3200 is fine
but fclk
cyan ravine
Like the gains from ram are really that small tho
potent portal
Memory and fclk does affect 1% lows and stutters noticeably
cyan ravine
Yes and so does 3d cache
The cache overrules a lot of those AM4 behaviours
I've looked up tests on this
leaden mauve
maybe i should join in
well i did have the piss role until someone cried about me having it 
potent portal
I'm conceding, I haven't tested the X3D personally 😛
leaden mauve
so what's the topic of the discussion 🤓
potent portal
Research still beats lack of research and experience on similar but not nearly the same chips
cyan ravine
It does basically nothing lol
cyan ravine
You're wrong but ok.
I didn't expect you to have tried something normal
leaden mauve
I didn't expect you to have tried something normal
hey i try variety
stoic island
I don't think anyone has tested unsynced 6000 or whatever the old meta was
potent portal
<@396513761550270464> what's the conversation about, just curious
5800X3D behavior at various memory speeds
leaden mauve
5800X3D behavior at various memory speeds
Thanks for being willing to communicate with me properly.
wasnt so hard
leaden mauve
5800X3D behavior at various memory speeds
That is interesting though, im gonna read that reddit post
potent portal
Moving on...
leaden mauve
your mom
cyan ravine
potent portal
I thought that X3D would like having 1800/1900 fclk a lot more than 1600 but I guess it doesn't matter too much
cyan ravine
Ye, it's a lot less than Zen 3
You'll notice this too with zen 4 x3d
Along with dual ccd behaviours again weighing in
leaden mauve
I mean, it makes sense because of the huge increase of cache lol, less reliance on system mem
potent portal
Well we already know memory speed doesn't matter much on zen4
analog pulsar
leaden mauve
Well we already know memory speed doesn't matter much on zen4
glad they improved that compared to zen and zen+ 🥴
the architecture definitely aged well
cyan ravine
If only it was priced reasonably 
leaden mauve
lol
potent portal
glad they improved that compared to zen and zen+ 🥴
Back when memory had no choice but to sync with fclk and people that bought 3600c22 memory got crashes
analog pulsar
If only it was priced reasonably <:teriwoke:697829966653423659>
your asking for to much
analog pulsar
Not really, AMD dug their own hole
you want cheaper 4000 series and cheaper amd cpus yea your asking for 2 much
cyan ravine
Not really lol
potent portal
4000 series?
cyan ravine
Yeah idk how that got dragged in
potent portal
4000 was APU and laptop only
analog pulsar
whats next you want a cooler able to cool the cpu you buy
cyan ravine
I think kenzie means nvidia
analog pulsar
4000 was APU and laptop only
sorry i added nvidia into this
cyan ravine
whats next you want a cooler able to cool the cpu you buy
I'll cool it with whatever I need I just want a meaningful price
analog pulsar
cyan ravine
I wouldn't say this if the whole market was poor on price
analog pulsar
welp we just need to adapt
prices of everything is going up all we can do is go up with it
analog pulsar
Some is going down
our will to live maybe
cyan ravine
our will to live maybe
Going up
hollow steeple
Can someone help me build my pc on ft
leaden mauve
deleting messages is such a hard job
cyan ravine
Yay
tepid roost
My PC keeps bsoding despite me updating the drivers, and having the correct bios. (Upgraded to a 5600x from a 3600x)
Idk if it's the PSU not providing enough power after the upgrade
Or the CPU itself is faulty or if it's my mobo
The temps are fine
I adjusted my cooler (Hyper 212 evo black rgb edition) several times to make sure and used hardware monitor to watch all of the cores temps and they were fine
leaden mauve
sure?
cyan ravine
I adjusted my cooler (Hyper 212 evo black rgb edition) several times to make sur...
Done a ram test? Checked ram is seated?
Ddu?
tepid roost
I haven't messed with the ram since changing CPUs and did sfc scan and chkdsk so what should I do to check ram
I forgot how to
hollow steeple
Someone help me put the motherboard in the case
tepid roost
My PC yesterday ran for hours under load playing elden ring and being on discord and then later watching a video while playing and there was no issues but as soon as I closed elden ring and chrome it bsoded again
Updated my driver's today and it still bsoded
I did event viewer and got the "event kernel 41 task 63 error"
cyan ravine
Did you overclock the 5600x at all?
hollow steeple
Can someone help me put my motherboard in the case
cyan ravine
Ok so I would still encourage a ram test
tepid roost
My PSU is a bit older I think it's 500 watts
Should I take one stick out and try one stick at a time for my ram test?
cyan ravine
You can if you want
tepid roost
Would it make a difference or not really
cyan ravine
Just changes the order of things
tepid roost
Ok
tepid roost
I pray for you shadowing lol
hollow steeple
Thx
tepid roost
@cyan ravine I took one stick out and now it's sticking me in the bios and before it said there was a change to the cmos CPU/memory
tepid roost
Ik but when I exit bios it doesn't boot to windows
cyan ravine
I'd suggest something like testmem5 with the antaextreme777 custom config
hollow steeple
The Io shield is in
hollow steeple
Ok
tepid roost
It just goes back to the bios
I press the x in the top and press save and exit
I'm on a msi b450 tomahawk max btw
cyan ravine
I'm on a msi b450 tomahawk max btw
I'm fascinated
hollow steeple
Ok
tepid roost
@cyan ravine should I take out the ram stick currently in and put my other one in and try?
cyan ravine
Yes try
tepid roost
Ok
tepid roost
Yes lool
I'm not that dumb
I just haven't troubleshooted my PC in like 6 years
I used to have a old Dell PC I did a bunch of stuff with
@cyan ravine and you mean turning it off to switch the ram not turning off while in the bios and turning it back on to start my PC to go to windows
hollow steeple
Should Zi remove the back fan
leaden mauve
Pcb
It's the actual board beneath all the components on top of it like the CPU socket, all the tiny capacitors and resistors, and the heatsinks. It's made of fiberglass type material and copper, mostly. It's what allows every little thing on the motherboard to communicate with each other on a fundamental level, basically. Populated board vs non-populated board:
cyan ravine
<@101107951401455616> and you mean turning it off to switch the ram not turning ...
Ye
tepid roost
Ight good lol
hollow steeple
Should I remove the back fan while installing the motherboard in the case
tepid roost
Also should I try a different ram slot with the same ram or should I just switch ram and does it matter which slot
hollow steeple
Idea
Idek
Auto correct
What if it doesn’t go back enough to line up with the standoffs
Deep cool matrexx 40 3fs and asus b450m
tepid roost
@cyan ravine does this mean it's fs a mobo or ram issue at least?
I'm still testing btw just wondering
cyan ravine
It'll be ram or cpu
The board not booting to windows will be a cmos reset not choosing a boot drive
But I'm guessing both sticks have posted so I would go to the boot tab under advanced and select your windows drive
tepid roost
I switched ram (I think, defo wasn't paying attention to which stick was which sorry.) And it booted straight to windows and then bsoded about 10 seconds later
However I put it in the same slot
Yo wtf
tepid roost
I switched ram again and changed slots and the ram didn't light up and my PC didn't start
tepid roost
Everything else was on but the ram
cyan ravine
I'm fairly sure the ram has gone sour
cyan ravine
Ah yes, vengememes
cyan ravine
Nah it'll likely be just 1
Unless you got some terrible ram chips like samsung c or bad b, but I don't think they put those in 3600
tepid roost
I'm trying again to make sure the ram was seated right
cyan ravine
Maybe b
tepid roost
Ok it started and then told me to optimize the placement of the ram which is normal
tepid roost
Currently booted
It bsoded instantly again as soon as I put my pin in
I'll try that
My ram freq is 2133 rn for some reason @cyan ravine
tepid roost
And my b it's 3200 not 3600
tepid roost
After a period of time using it or just usually as soon as you get it
Cause I've had the ram for half a year at least
cyan ravine
I mean either way, ram can just randomly go bad, rare cases ram just won't play nice with a cpu
tepid roost
Or around half a year I believe
hollow steeple
@elfin flame
tepid roost
Should I mess around a little more to see if I can get to a memtest or just assume it's the ram at this point
Also if it's the ram then I guess both sticks just went bad?
cyan ravine
I'd consider warranty claiming the ram McFlurry then come back and see if it's fixed
Nah I'd just assume one stick bad rn
hollow steeple
Ok
tepid roost
Yeah but why would both have issues booting