building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

Lolol

You should try a memory test

I suspect your ram may be faulty

[maiden gulch]

ah okay, think maybe moving to a different socket maybe help/

[cyan ravine]

It can yeah

[toxic wraith]

I’m not getting any hdmi signal from my pc anyone have any ideas on how to get rid of this

[cyan ravine]

A2 and B2 are your primary ram slots

A1 and B1 if you have problems with those two

[maiden gulch]

okay cool i'll try that. familiar with TFORCE, any common issues with them? kinda petty but it matched my build is why i bought it hahhaa

video card working fine pheeny? or are you using on board graphics?

i just swithed over from AMD and i've been having troubles ever since lol

[cyan ravine]

More likely just something's up, a bad egg. We don't get them often here and it's rarely brand or model specific

T force ram is fine, just might be luck

[maiden gulch]

yeah that would be my luck. thanks bud i'll try my luck here

[toxic wraith]

Aaaa my aio pump isn’t lighting up is there a way to fix this

That might be the issue of my hdmi signal

[toxic wraith]

Bro I messed everything up and I spent two days building this whenever I power on my pc Thor fans won’t turn the rgb won’t turn on anymore either and the rams rgb doesn’t either I give up this is so annoying if anyone has any advice pls tell me Ty

[maiden gulch]

so it's a new build? are you sure you've got power at your GPU?

[maiden gulch]

Make sure you've got PCIE cables attacked to your GPU and it's seated properly.

[mossy venture]

has it never powered on before?

is this the first attempt?

[edgy hazel]

hey anyone on?

[limber oyster]

new cpu cooler will be here tuesday

hopefully it fits my case and doesnt interfer with my gpu and ram

[toxic wraith]

It has powered on before

[toxic wraith]

Using an integrated gpu

[south cliff]

He was trying the pc in a different part of his house

[toxic wraith]

Can anyone help me with my problem? My pc has been able to boot before and it had so hdmi signal so I was trying to fix it but something happened and now my rams rgb won’t turn on and my fans don’t turn anymore either

[maiden gulch]

take out the bios battery and try and reset that, could be a bad board bud

[desert thicket]

Hey any build for 981$? Please send me recommendations or should I go with prebuilt

[languid nimbus]

specifically $981?

not 982?

[coarse coral]

what will you be using it for

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CxXqfv

[upper condor]

Having ethernet problems, I just got a brand new cable so I know it's something with my computer that's causing it

I have amazing download but little to no upload

[earnest olive]

LOL i have never seen something like that before

try manually installing latest driver

[upper condor]

Every time I try to uninstall the drivers it instantly reinstalls one from 2021 😭

[earnest olive]

just install latest driver without uninstalling old one

[upper condor]

Then it doesn't install at all

[earnest olive]

windows hardware compatibility publisher does not like it when hardware sits there with no drivers

do you have an intel system?

[upper condor]

Yep

[earnest olive]

try using intel dsa

[upper condor]

Well, AMD but intel drivers for lan

[earnest olive]

ah

idk if intel dsa will work for that

[upper condor]

The drivers I have installed are from 7/28/2021 for Intel(R) Ethernet Controller I225-V

And I can't install the drivers on my MOBO page for some reason

[earnest olive]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/15084/intel-ethernet-adapter-complete-driver-pack.html driver from 12/19/2022

try it

[upper condor]

I might

Have got it finally 😭

Gonna restart my PC and make sure

[potent portal]

He tried that on another install and blue screened so bad recovery mode failed and had to reinstall so... Fingers crossed? Lol

My theory is the bad cable (physical damage) shorted the port

Hopefully I'm wrong

[upper condor]

Ok so for some inexplicable reason it worked

I restarted my PC

Back to the same problem as before lmao

[potent portal]

Well there's always the nuclear option, disable automatic driver installation

[empty pollen]

you sure is not your provider?

[upper condor]

I'm almost certain because literally a week ago it was working perfectly on my old PC and 2 days ago on my xbox

[empty pollen]

like trying a speedtest on your phone just to be sure

[upper condor]

Oh yeah it works perfect on everything else

[upper condor]

How exactly does one do this

[potent portal]

Are you on pro or home windows

[empty pollen]

can you do a speedtest on your phone and share the screenshot with us plz?

[upper condor]

LOL I was trying to send the image on the ethernet and it doesn't work cause no upload

[upper condor]

pro

[potent portal]

Super easy then, you can do it from gpedit

[upper condor]

Yeah I have a really good plan and I get the advertised download lol

[upper condor]

Uhhh I'm in it just no clue how to actually do it lol

[potent portal]

Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update -> Manage Updates offered from Windows Update. Double-click the policy “Do not include drivers with Windows Updates” in the right window. Click Enabled -> Apply -> OK

[upper condor]

I dont see "Manage Updates offered from Windows Update" but I do see configure automatic updates and turn on recommended updates via utomatic updates

Ah no I got it

Alright let me do this all over real quick

Ok well it still has 0 upload

But I don't understand why because it worked for like, 2 speed tests

Got 350-425 mbps and it went back to 0 after I restarted my PC

Which makes me hope its not a fried port?? idk lol

[cyan ravine]

Is this happening on other devices over ethernet?

[upper condor]

I used my xbox a few days ago with ethernet and it seemed fine, I can test a laptop real quick though

[cyan ravine]

Ye give it a try cos there might be something else to it

Try a different ethernet port on your router too if you haven't already

[potent portal]

Did it revert the driver again after you rebooted or did the new version stick that time?

[upper condor]

Different port did the same thing, I'll try the last one rq

[upper condor]

It stuck which is the weird thing

[potent portal]

Your chipset driver is installed right?

[upper condor]

Should be? Where do I check that

Last port also did nothing

[potent portal]

Yep installed

[upper condor]

Is there a way to just uninstall all drivers for everything lol? I used the gigabyte auto driver download thing

And that might've messed something up that I don't know about

[ornate condor]

I got RM850x white ( 2021) but it including only 2x8pin gpu cable but 3x8pin cpu cable lol what the heck is that

I need 3x8 pin

[potent portal]

It's supposed to have more PCIe, weird.

It should have 4 plugs, 2 daisy chained. The Corsair Type 4 cables are fine to use the daisy chain.

[ornate condor]

Weird Corsair

[potent portal]

If it didn't come with the second set of plugs contact corsair and I'm sure they'll send you another free

[ornate condor]

it have 2xpcie with 2 ends . is it safe to connect 2 cable abd daisy chain 3th one to 3090 ?

[potent portal]

Yes Corsair overbuilds the cables so much

I've seen 1kW run through 2x8 pin

[upper condor]

Windows really hates me don't they

I've tried every port with 2 ethernet cables nothing

Is there a way to check if it's the motherboard port not working?

It has the flashing lights and everything

[potent portal]

Boot Linux off a USB

[upper condor]

I have no clue how to do that

Do I just download linux onto a usb and put that usb #1 in boot priority?

[ornate condor]

3090 time

[potent portal]

It's the same process as making a Windows install USB

Just different tools

[upper condor]

Sweet, and which linux do I choose lol

Out of the 25

[potent portal]

Any flavor will do

And there's a lot more than 25

[upper condor]

Yeah just the 25 it shows

[potent portal]

Mint has a Windows-like interface if you you prefer that

[jagged ember]

Probably mint tbh

[cyan ravine]

Urs?

[upper condor]

Alright downloading it rq

[ornate condor]

Yup

Actually not mine I just built it for friend

[cyan ravine]

So why 4 16gb ddr5

[ornate condor]

For make it look good for pics lol I will remove 2 sticks later

[cyan ravine]

Misleading

Clean doe

[ornate condor]

12900k
32gb 5600mhz
White Strix 3090

Built it couse I had lots of parts laying around

[fossil cedar]

So last gen smh/s

[potent portal]

Just had a 12900k "lying around" smh

[ornate condor]

Yes it's my old 12900k lol

[upper condor]

Do I use rufus or just on its own it'll work?

[potent portal]

Rufus should do everything, extracting and making the boot loader and all

[south cliff]

@cyan ravine

I think this is the problem

It’s to the cpu

[cyan ravine]

Damaged cable?

[south cliff]

It’s not even posting

[cyan ravine]

What is this curse

[south cliff]

Bro idk

[cyan ravine]

Please explain the picture it's blurry

[cyan ravine]

Not really

Electrical tape over that btw

Dangerous

[south cliff]

I put the other pu I

Psu

Original

[cyan ravine]

Ok tell me what's different about when he plugs the pc in versus when you plugged it in

Specifically inside the pc

What's different

[south cliff]

Nothing different

It posted and

I could play game

[cyan ravine]

Then you shouldn't be disassembling the pc again because the pc itself works in your house but not his 💀

[south cliff]

True but I want it to work

At his so I’m seeing what could’ve gone wrong

[potent portal]

Is that really the problem? It works in one house but not another? That's dirty power

A UPS would solve that

[south cliff]

But I have tried both

And original worked at his hour

@potent portal

House

[potent portal]

You tried a UPS? Is that what you're saying?

[south cliff]

No I have 2 psu

And one already worked before

I put new one I

[cyan ravine]

Yeah but the new one works at your house, no?

[potent portal]

Right, and if it works at one house but not another that's dirty power

Either bad voltage or bad frequency

[cyan ravine]

Absolutely

[potent portal]

And a line interactive UPS would clean up the power

[cyan ravine]

I agree with fal

[south cliff]

Ok what is a good psu for like 50

[cyan ravine]

You've demonstrated the isolated issue, a UPS would be the next step

No no not psu, ups

[south cliff]

?

[cyan ravine]

We aren't mixing up the letters

[potent portal]

uninterruptible power supply

[south cliff]

I’m don’t

Confused

How much are those

[cyan ravine]

Example
https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/ups/ups/81254-vp1600elcd

200 usd-ish

[south cliff]

We’ll

[cyan ravine]

Note this is enough for a full high end pc on it's own

So nothing this expensive

[south cliff]

Well he only got 50 bucks to spend

[cyan ravine]

I'm not too familiar with ups'

Luke iirc has good knowledge of it

[south cliff]

So power supply is good?

[cyan ravine]

Power supply is fine

He should try a ups

[south cliff]

So it’s his house basically

Because now it won’t even post

[upper condor]

Dude @potent portal

I wiped my PC to see if it would work

It gave me 900 mbps upload

I restart its back at 0 😭😭😭

I’m actually so confused

[cyan ravine]

Ehhhh

Maybe it's actually faulty lol

[upper condor]

Why does it work perfectly then I restart my pc then not work at all

[cyan ravine]

Or the installed ethernet driver is just a bad driver for it

[cyan ravine]

At your house?

[upper condor]

It’s the same driver both times is the thing

[south cliff]

No his

[cyan ravine]

Again, he should try a ups

[cyan ravine]

No but wiping install will likely be a different driver, no?

[south cliff]

Is it guaranteed to work?

[cyan ravine]

Fresh windows will have a set of basic drivers that allow it to work, but after any updates that can/may change

[upper condor]

Yeah I checked and it was the same version

[cyan ravine]

Ehhhh???

[upper condor]

Or at least from the same date

😭😭😭

[cyan ravine]

Ima link you to a server that can really help with this

[cyan ravine]

Can never guarantee anything, but I give it high chances it helps, if not, there's always returns

Ask about this in there, they're networking gurus

[upper condor]

Will do

Might’ve figured it out actually some dude had the exact same issue

[south cliff]

I’m going to take it back to my house and see if it works

[cyan ravine]

Fal why

[potent portal]

Lowest cost line interactive UPS I can find is $65 https://www.newegg.com/tripp-lite-avr550u/p/N82E16842111031

[potent portal]

No links to other discords

[cyan ravine]

Oh

[potent portal]

It needs to be line interactive or online to clean up the power, the third type, standby, doesn't

[cyan ravine]

Well if you google "homelab discord" it comes up straight away @upper condor

It's a very helpful place, I learned a lot there

[south cliff]

I’m going to see if it works at my house and if it works out to him about it

To buy it

[upper condor]

yeah i got in it before link was gone :p

ill try to figure it out there thanks for the help

[cyan ravine]

[upper condor]

I wanna say it's hardware and just go to micro center for the swap out lol

But why would it work then

Until I restart it

[cyan ravine]

See what they say and if they can't figure it out then I'd consider a board/ethernet card rma

[upper condor]

Did the Linux thing and it works perfectly in Linux lol

[cyan ravine]

So it's something windows is doing then

[upper condor]

Yeah I’m just like absolutely wiping my PC now

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah I'm reading it back now, I'll try to remember that advice they gave you

@upper condor this is an intel ethernet controller?

[toxic wraith]

Pls help my fans on my aio rgb is working but the fans themselves aren’t spinning my rgb on ram won’t and it did earlier and my aio pump isn’t working

[upper condor]

Yep

If anyone has problems with it send them my way lol!

[cyan ravine]

Ah yeah I've had flakiness from intel ethernet a few times

But that said, my experience has been otherwise good

[upper condor]

It worked fine for the first 20 minutes until I installed all my drivers

[cyan ravine]

Ok

[upper condor]

Should I do a local reinstall of windows?

Not sure if thats the same as USB

[cyan ravine]

If it happens again I may know a trick

[upper condor]

🙏

and do I clean data or just normal?

[cyan ravine]

Up to you really, probably the wiser idea to isolate it first yeah

Normal reset does drivers and apps only iirc

So your files stay

[upper condor]

Nah I did that one and drivers stayed

I'm gonna full wipe

[toxic wraith]

.

[stoic island]

Take picture

[upper condor]

Alright well problem happened again. I know what caused it this time though

So I'll just wipe my PC again and make sure that problem doesn't happen lol

If anyone comes in with an aorus b650 pro AX and Ethernet problems

Tell them the drivers on the website are wrong and cause it to break lmao

Just go to the actual Intel website

[cyan ravine]

@upper condor you got it working now?

[upper condor]

I did, until I tried to install the drivers from my MOBO website for LAN

[cyan ravine]

Yep that's happened to me before

[toxic wraith]

Bro now my pc doesn’t even have power now

[upper condor]

Guess they’re corrupted or something weird because it said “there was a problem installing this driver”

[toxic wraith]

What is happening

[upper condor]

And then it went back to before

[toxic wraith]

I’ve spent four days on this pc

And now nothing works

[upper condor]

I’m just wiping my PC again and using official Intel drivers

[toxic wraith]

Very noce

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I roll back to the first driver, then I disable and reenable the ethernet clntroller in device manager, that's how I've managed to get it working before

Same idea just a different execution

And can vouch for gigabyte's intel ethernet drivers being broken to heck, I've had the same experience lol

[upper condor]

Yeah I’m glad I figured out the issue at least

Screw gigabyte!!!

[toxic wraith]

Help my pc went from no hdmi signal to fans not spinning to rgb on ram not working to the entire pc not turning on

[buoyant patrol]

What’s a good price for a 3080 new

[fossil cedar]

Like 600-700$

Assuming you're actually in the US, it'll different in other countries

Especially when this is 730$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BM92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-speedster-merc-319-video-card-rx-695xatbd9

[buoyant patrol]

I’d personally prefer amd too cuz raytracing and dlss is overrated to an extent

But buddy wants a Nvidia card

[fossil cedar]

Dlss isnt overrated tbh it's pretty good you can't just count on it tho

4070 ti's are cheaper than new 3080s now

So

[south cliff]

Also the pc worked perfectly fine with his old gt710

In his room

[potent portal]

Which uses next to no power

Adding additional load caused the problem to appear. A new midrange GPU uses more power at boot than a 710 uses at full load

[maiden gulch]

So felix, i tried moving my ram to different slots, tried every slot with only one stick of ram, still blue screen

put my ssd and GPU in my buddies computer runs fine.

i'm wondering if theres a corrupted file somewhere but i cant keep the rig running long enough to diagnose anything

sad that this old 8350 rig keeps chugging along yet i've had problems with both my 10500 and 13600 rigs...

[south cliff]

Yeah, I brought it back home and it’s working

[quasi knot]

What would I use to power this? Didn't come with power cord/adapter and only says to use 5V DC for voltage

[stoic island]

Is it Corsair?

It looks like the Corsair or vdg connector if it's 5v

[quasi knot]

Brand is BTF Lighting, and model name is "WS2812B Led strip"

[south cliff]

Will throw one work with 9400f and rx 6600

[cyan ravine]

Ah, alphacool uses the same rgb connectors as well as deepcool

[stoic island]

What does the manual say, does it come with an adapter?

[quasi knot]

Guessing I'll need to find either a USB to 5v dc adapter or wall to 3 pin 5v dc

[stoic island]

If you have a gigabyte board with a vdg header you should be able to plug it in there IF pinouts are as expected

[cyan ravine]

I'm pretty sure anyway, those are 5v argb led strips

[quasi knot]

Well I have a gigabyte aorus z590 pro, but I was planning on having it external, and since it's 16.5 ft and short power cable that would be kind of awkward to run

[cyan ravine]

16.5 ft how many led's is it??

[quasi knot]

Package said 300

[cyan ravine]

Well you definitely can't plug that into a motherboard

You'll melt the header

[quasi knot]

That's what I was thinking, said 18-90W

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 90w full power would be an external source for sure

If you could limit the brightness to 80% you could find an rgb controller that does 300 lights

[quasi knot]

Do you have any recommendations on power supplies for it by any chance?

[cyan ravine]

Not a clue ngl lol

Them suggesting 5v dc for voltage makes sense

[quasi knot]

Do you know if someone like this would work then?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JW73KVR?tag=cals0b-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[cyan ravine]

Not a clue

Ngl

It probably powers it but you'll get the basic colour profile

That would def be for a dc plug

[analog pulsar]

Hmmmmmmm

[desert gulch]

*color

/s

[fossil cedar]

You funny Americans and your freedom units

[desert gulch]

We are indeed goofy

And then it's funny some of us realize our units are dumb so we double down to not let the metric weirdos win

Like here, we have 12 inches per foot, but some engineers use .xx of a foot, like .50 of a foot lol

So dumb

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive @subtle halo i told you both for some reason openRGB never works for me never detects ram and some times loses mobo.....nevermind this

i have a warning

[earnest olive]

run as admin

it says it

[analog pulsar]

you think i can read

[earnest olive]

no

that's why i did the reading for you

[analog pulsar]

okay it seems to work now

[subtle halo]

the error is quite windows side.. u must something that blocks its wingring0 setup

google how to until it starts xD

[cyan ravine]

Winwingringwing

[digital nebula]

[south cliff]

@cyan ravine how does a ups work

[cyan ravine]

2 things

1. Gives you extra power if the power goes out so you can turn off the computer safely

2. Filters the power to the computer so it's much cleaner, fixing stability issues

[south cliff]

But how long could he use it

@cyan ravine

[strong raft]

10-100min depending on load & battery size. My 1500VA ups can do a 100w "idle" pc for maybe 40min.

[south cliff]

Well I don’t think that would be enough for him is there another option instead of use it a ups

He would be using it a lot

And playing video games a lot

[cyan ravine]

It only will kick in the battery power when the power goes out

You can run the pc for months, years with a ups

They use ups' in places like hospitals or servers where they can't afford downtime and must keep running

[south cliff]

Does it connect to the wall

And does it o Lu kick on when it needs to

Only

[cyan ravine]

ye and ye

[south cliff]

Ok so it will give it the power that is left

Or needed that the outlet doesn’t give

APC UPS 450VA Battery Backup Surge Protector, BN450M Backup Battery Power Supply

https://www.walmart.com/ip/187572176

Would this one work

[upper condor]

@cyan ravine after a clean wipe and not even installing the drivers its back to no upload 😭

The drivers arent uninstalling though neither is nvidia software

even when i chose the like super clean wipe

But it was working on linux

For some reason even after wiping my PC I keep my drivers

Could it be backing up or something? I wanna just completely remove all drivers lol

[plucky timber]

is it a prebuilt or a laptop?

[upper condor]

Nah built it myself

[plucky timber]

hmm

weird

[upper condor]

I have a hard drive? maybe its saving something on there idk

[plucky timber]

i've seen oem computers do that but not custom built

[upper condor]

Yeah what's weird is on linux it has normal upload and for a few minutes after I wipe my PC it has good upload

And then it goes back to 0 upload fast download

But I can still like, type messages in discord or join voice calls

Do I RMA the board just to see lol or what

[cyan ravine]

If linux is working fine but windows isn't it's def a windows driver problem

[south cliff]

So the ups takes power from the wall and then uses its own power?

[upper condor]

Yeah but windows worked fine for a bit and I only tried Linux for a bit

Might try to stay on Linux for like an hour tomorrow and see if it still works

[upper condor]

And now it's working LOL

Maybe it's cause I was checking it during a game

[cyan ravine]

Not my expertise area sorry, you'll have to do a bit of research

Just make sure you overprovision a bit

[cyan ravine]

On windows???

[upper condor]

Yep

No clue

[cyan ravine]

Niceee

We got there in the end

In pieces

But we got there

[upper condor]

Yeah I guess it's just uhhh

Being weird

[south cliff]

Well on a budget

[cyan ravine]

As I said I've had it be flakey with me before too, specifically that ethernet controller

Intel i-225v moment

[south cliff]

But you think the 250 watt would be enough

[cyan ravine]

No

I would go for like 650W or something far greater

But again, not my field of expertise

I just know they help a lot with dirty power, I don't use one myself. Lol

[south cliff]

But does it still use the wall power or no?

Do you know someone who does

[strong raft]

Decent ups would be more like 600VA, and that's not watts btw. The battery isn't used until power goes out. UPS helps most when power goes out often or just momentarily. I consider myself lucky the many power outages didn't hurt part of my pc .

[south cliff]

So the 250 watt one would work

?

[strong raft]

Perhaps. A 450VA (255w) model would be good for around 10min backup w/ 150w-ish load.

[south cliff]

Yeah I don’t need it for a backup it’s that his outlet or house or whatever doesn’t run the pc

The pc works at my house but not his

[strong raft]

Idk, their place has issues. Need an outlet to charge the battery in the 1st place also.

[south cliff]

It’s just his room

So he could charge it in another room and plug it back in his room and it should work

But not just for 10 minutes

[strong raft]

Yea exactly, basically pointless. I'd be running a heavy duty extension cord if I needed to.

[south cliff]

The thing I’m confused about is that it comes with a 3 prong cable to plug in right?

Does that just charge

[strong raft]

YES that charges the built in battery & the whole thing is just likea power strip. Your friend needs an electrician though to get that room fixed.

[south cliff]

I know this is a temporary fix

Would that run a rx 6600 and a 9400f

[strong raft]

Yea, for 7-10min. (If it was fully charged). I'm not kidding on that runtime.

[south cliff]

Wow so there is no way to fix it unless he gets his electricity fixed

[cyan ravine]

yes

that's what we were trying to say before

[south cliff]

Ah my bad

That sucks

For him

[cyan ravine]

all good

[tough shell]

@cyan ravine so my dad is looking to upgrade his pc. He's looking to getting into 3d printing, as well as 3d scanning using creaform3d. On this pc, it would also be used for business such as Sage accounting software, microsoft suite, and 3d modelling softwares. These are the main specs that have to be met. He also would need 2 monitors, and a large external disk (probably hdd?) for storage. He'd like to store as much as possible on ssd's to make for quick access. He was looking at some prebuilds that were like 10g's and thought that I should ask yall here first

creaform link: https://www.creaform3d.com/en/customer-support/recommended-system-requirements
prusa link: https://help.prusa3d.com/article/minimum-system-requirements_305250#operating-systems

[torpid fog]

3 prongs? must be i2c

[cyan ravine]

budget?

for 10K he could basically go ham but question is how much he actually wants to spend

[tough shell]

somewhere between 5-7k probably? Like I said, the one he was about to buy was 10,000 but I said to him could probably do just as good* without completely breaking the bank

[cyan ravine]

easily

5K is overkill lol

[tough shell]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

so I need you to ask him, how much storage is enough

[tough shell]

my pc with all the upgrades and initial cost is probably like 6k rn, but I bought my gpu for like 2200

[cyan ravine]

yeah we can do better than 6K depending on storage sunk cost

[tough shell]

probably looking at about 2tb overall

[cyan ravine]

that's one slot

he wants a lot of storage?

[tough shell]

within reason, but yes

ill ask him quick, 1 moment

[cyan ravine]

ye

[tough shell]

it'll be like 10-15 mins

he's picking up my sister from work

lmao

sorry

he'd also need a perpetual windows license for home use if they still sell those

he despises subscription crap that they try to push

[obsidian wigeon]

ms still sells normal license

idk what he looked at to assume that

since newegg doesn't endorse 3rd party sites imma just say to go official

it's only $100

pay once and use it forever

[cyan ravine]

perpetual is retail,

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

i get that

[cyan ravine]

@tough shell ?

[tough shell]

sorry he messaged me back, he has about 500gb of storage on his pc rn, with 300 free. So probably have like 1.5tb storage overall

[urban ruin]

[cyan ravine]

@tough shell https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sbJd78

Here's what "unlimited budget" needs

[tough shell]

@cyan ravine that list should meet those reqs I posted before, eh?

[obsidian wigeon]

lame ram smh

good for ocing i guess

[cyan ravine]

it'll do whatever he wants tbh

we could scale it down more

pretty easily tbh

[tough shell]

probably get a full size case, these mid size ones are a pain in the ass for me to work on, and I have smaller hands than he does. Also makes it hard to fit gpu in xD

[obsidian wigeon]

g360a is a decently big case

and it's easy to build in

[tough shell]

is there an advantage of having KF suffix over just F when still running a 4080?

4090*

[urban ruin]

Looking to build my first pc, any tips on where to start? I feel like I’m learning a different language here! Got a head of myself and put a bunch of parts together on Newegg pc builder 🤣

[cyan ravine]

I had a fractal pop xl air originally

but took it out cos I wasn't sure if he had space

[tough shell]

I have an older phanteks rn and hate it xd

and yeah there's plenty of space

[obsidian wigeon]

Best would be to start a list in pcpartpicker

[tough shell]

he doesn't even have a proper desk rn, he uses a table with folding sides xD

[obsidian wigeon]

What's your budget?

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Vzr8r

lemme make a more budget conscious list

[tough shell]

what is ddr4-3000? haven't seen that b4

[urban ruin]

Ty will do 🙏🏻

[obsidian wigeon]

it's well ddr4

one of many speeds ddr4 runs at

ddr4 pretty much ranges from 1600 to something like 4800

[tough shell]

ahh, so its kind of middle of the road speed

[desert gulch]

With what CPU?

[tough shell]

cpu that felix sent me was i9-13900kf

[cyan ravine]

@tough shell https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v2Jd78

more budget friendly

oops that's a ti

[desert gulch]

Yeah 13700f better value

[cyan ravine]

there we go, fixed it

you can find 3090's on places like r/HardwareSwap second hand for a very nice price, 24gb of vram and CUDA makes it very viable for 3d modelling

or you could go to 1000/1100 for XTX

3rd gen RDNA is good in these things as well

[obsidian wigeon]

driver support might be spotty

unless it's just blender

[cyan ravine]

what you want mainly is the buttload of ram (64) and the buttload of vram (24)

[cyan ravine]

blender is actually the weak point of rdna 3

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

[tough shell]

with terms like 1000/1100 xtx and 3rd gen RDNA is where I start getting lost in tech talk

[cyan ravine]

ok lemme do a secondary list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X8DvGL

[tough shell]

ohh xtx is a gpu

ic

[cyan ravine]

ye

ah my b

[tough shell]

xD

[cyan ravine]

didn't realise I was carried away in the abbreviations haha

[tough shell]

yeah the prebuild my dad was looking at had a new gen threadripper and im like nawww you don't need that

[cyan ravine]

threadripper honestly is in his area ngl

[obsidian wigeon]

what new gen?

[cyan ravine]

but you pay a lot for pcie lanes

and not for raw pc power

[deep ginkgo]

What’s a great pc build for 1000 dollars?

[tough shell]

yeah, and for a "beginner" setup its not realistic

unless im wrong

[deep ginkgo]

for beginner

[cyan ravine]

fair

[obsidian wigeon]

if it's 3990x it instantly loses to 13900kf

[tough shell]

go check the ones felix @ me in above

[cyan ravine]

eh no

those are way above 1k

lolol

[obsidian wigeon]

price changes all the time

and also yeah above 1k

[tough shell]

theres the budget one

round 1k

oh wait

am i remembering wrong

[obsidian wigeon]

minmaxing would get you smth like

5600 and 6750xt

or maybe even 6800

if not 13400f and 6700xt

[cyan ravine]

ye the low end am4 boards are gone now

it'll be 12th/13th

[obsidian wigeon]

fair enough

[deep ginkgo]

a motherboard?

[obsidian wigeon]

lemme just put a 1k list

or felix cuz he's better than me xd

[cyan ravine]

i'm nearly done

[deep ginkgo]

Okay thanks

[cyan ravine]

@deep ginkgo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8N8csL

[obsidian wigeon]

a tad over budget

[cyan ravine]

take le cooler off

[obsidian wigeon]

i would swap le case imo but that's just me

[cyan ravine]

ye but minmax

leminmax

[obsidian wigeon]

i can get mesh cases here in thailand for only $30

[cyan ravine]

yes'

[obsidian wigeon]

mostly antec stuff

[cyan ravine]

montech

ah

Darkflash too

dlm21?

[obsidian wigeon]

got lots of fans included

[cyan ravine]

[obsidian wigeon]

ye dlm21 is nice

i might do case swap if i have enough

strix case too narrow for chonk coolers

i wanna slap 214xt in there 😭

[cyan ravine]

need DRINK

AAAAA-

me go drink then install ks

[obsidian wigeon]

13400f at $160 when

would be crazy value

7600 be damned

[desert gulch]

Idk if this is satire or not xD

[urban ruin]

It is literally not I have no idea what I’m doing

But please feel free to laugh

Bc I’m not sure how else I’m gonna get through this 🤣😅

[cyan ravine]

What's ur budget

[desert gulch]

I'm on mobile so can't currently make a list, but if you want to answer these questions, someone else will come along and help:
-budget
-any existing parts
-purpose

Also just to confirm you're in usa

[urban ruin]

Yes

I’d like to stay under $1500 if possible
I have nothing

[potent portal]

Ooh 1500 gets you a very nice PC right now

[tough shell]

I converted the lists that felix gave me from usd to cad, and the price nearly doubled xd

[potent portal]

Yep sounds about right

[tough shell]

damn weak canadian dollar

[potent portal]

Lists need to be made for each specific region, that's why we usually ask

[potent portal]

AMD option, leaves room to upgrade CPU later https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jxrgfv
Intel option, technically better but no upgrade path https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfHgfv
Both are dependent on you being ok with buying a used 3080 from what appears to be a miner for $550, which is fine. The card wouldn't be damaged in any way from mining.

[potent portal]

Do you need a list for cad? I can make one, what's your budget and any extra needs like wifi?

[cyan ravine]

Oh sadge

[tough shell]

if u can base it off the ones above from felix anywhere up to like 5 or 6k is good, though lower if possible to make cheaper

but

I can still go with felix's

[cyan ravine]

The budget is basically uncapped

[tough shell]

they work great

[cyan ravine]

Nah canadian specific will be better

[cyan ravine]

Like this but more maple Fal

I gotta get back to installing KS kekw

[potent portal]

Here we go, better parts coming in around 3100$ cad https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9NqnVw

You really want DDR5 on anything higher than a 13600, DDR4 actively hurts those ones enough to where AMD beats them.

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Y3tTfv

O

Ye he needs 64gb

It's 3d workstation

[potent portal]

IC

[cyan ravine]

I had to sit down so I decided to try make one

[potent portal]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/nskt2m

[potent portal]

In which case non-F CPU is better for quicksync right?

[cyan ravine]

That counts for 3d?

[potent portal]

In some apps

[cyan ravine]

I thought that was just encoding

[potent portal]

Also you did non-K, which is weaker in all core

[cyan ravine]

Ye cos going z proved fruitless

[potent portal]

It's more expensive ye but still, 9% is not insignificant https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5163vs5060/Intel-i7-13700F-vs-Intel-i7-13700K

[tough shell]

@potent portal 13700k is good, don't need kf?

[cyan ravine]

I had this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zgtTfv

But then I changed mind lol

[tough shell]

also arctic p12 pwm pst's for case fans good?

[potent portal]

The F means it doesn't have the iGPU, which is used mostly for troubleshooting and encoding. You could save a few $ and get the KF.

Yes P12 is

[cyan ravine]

the best.

[potent portal]

(for the price the best)

[cyan ravine]

I am a simp

Over here with 39 of them

[potent portal]

Only? How many are P14s by chance?

[tough shell]

You got a better suggestion for ram? He doesn't want/need rgb

u said he should have ddr5 tho right

[cyan ravine]

I put no rgb ram in the one I did

[potent portal]

Yeah the one on my list has no rgb and is DDR5

[cyan ravine]

Ddr4 vs. ddr5 isn't a big deal for 3d

[tough shell]

@potent portal

[cyan ravine]

It shows it's real chops in compression and decompression

But nothing wrong with ddr5 for the perf gains nowadays

[potent portal]

I updated the list to be 64gb

[tough shell]

ahh

[potent portal]

here

[cyan ravine]

I counted 2 p14's in that

Le oops

[potent portal]

I've got like 12 P12 and 8 P14 I think

[tough shell]

all he should need at most is a 13900kf? or 13700kf?

[potent portal]

Counting the ones on my LF2 420

[cyan ravine]

I9 will honestly help a lot if he wants the cpu power

Specifically 13900kf

The others are a pass on lga1700

[tough shell]

liquid cooling or air cooled better for workstation system?

[cyan ravine]

Whatever is needed

I9 desperately needs water

I7 can work stock on a good dual tower

[potent portal]

In 3D like blender using all core 13900k beats it by a little bit

[cyan ravine]

It'll help for 3d modelling tho

Cpu go brrr

[potent portal]

I do agree that the 13900k on an all core workload pulling 400W alone at stock desperately wants water

[cyan ravine]

Even at 300W

AK/AG/D15/PA etc can do up to like, 240W, 260W?

[tough shell]

for i9-13900kf what aio would u recommend?

[cyan ravine]

LS720

Or LT if it's cheaper

[potent portal]

Yep that one had REALLY good LGA 1700 performance, better than previous kings like LF2

[cyan ravine]

Deepcool my beloved

[potent portal]

LS720 is 150 cad

LT doesn't show in stock

[cyan ravine]

Sadge cos LT looks better but they're identical underneath so it's fine

[tough shell]

yee seeing that now

[potent portal]

Here's what that would look like https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vrDHFg

I might even recommend a 1000W at that point...

[tough shell]

you said kf is cheaper?

[cyan ravine]

I would step down to D4 there then go 1000W ye

[tough shell]

to d4? wdym

[potent portal]

DDR4

[cyan ravine]

Ddr4

[potent portal]

D4 is shorthand

[tough shell]

ahh

[potent portal]

Right KF is cheaper https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/GW4WsL

OOF cheapest A tier 1000W in canada right now https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/43JgXL/nzxt-c-2022-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-0g1bb-us

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zygWsL

What would 4090 look like here

Actually not bad

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/sXkt2m

[tough shell]

are whacky brands like that usually ok?

[cyan ravine]

See if I can edit the motherboard to somethint aesthetically better

Ye it's fine

Pny is actually usually really good

[potent portal]

DDR4 vs DDR5 in production bench using 13600k, differences will be greater for 13900k

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mN6zrD

[potent portal]

Keeping in mind that's also top tier 3600 c14 DDR4

[cyan ravine]

At this point yeah we could do d5

[tough shell]

yeah going up to 1000w psu and d5 is fine

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Zh3Dv3

Wouldn't go any higher unless for quick sync or for mass storage

[tough shell]

[cyan ravine]

The chip gives you 3rd gen threadripper performance so you'll have more than enough cpu in this department

[potent portal]

Yeah you could add a nice 16TB storage like this if you wanted, for storing massive projects or long term https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/gRCFf7/toshiba-mg08-16-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg08aca16te

[cyan ravine]

Hell even just to store projects cold

[tough shell]

I was kinda thinking of getting him an external hard drive

hmmm

[cyan ravine]

A single hard drive is enough then he moves it to the ssd to load it up

[potent portal]

Yep can be nice having all your old projects just in case you need them later

[cyan ravine]

Either way you're way under 10k like this

[tough shell]

yee

is this a good external backup drive? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/f87wrH/seagate-external-hard-drive-stdr2000100

[potent portal]

2TB is barely worth doing external for

[tough shell]

just stick with that toshiba drive then?

[potent portal]

That'll last a lot longer when storing projects yes

Also that 2TB external is twice the price of a 2TB internal

If you wanted to save a little on a drive https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zn4Ycf/toshiba-x300-4-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-hdwr440xzsta

Or the 6TB/8TB version, all 3 are great

[dim forge]

b660 bought

uwu

[upper condor]

@cyan ravine I can't win now lol

Back to no upload

But every time I restart my PC, it goes to normal speeds and working for probably 20-30 minutes?

Then it goes back to no upload which makes me think is there a software that might cause this

Hm after one run(of speedtest) it seems to go bad

This is confusing tryna troubleshoot lol

[upper condor]

Looks like the i225-v is known for having a lot of internet issues....yikes

[empty pollen]

most of the issues are related to bad drivers, and most are solved by downloading the right drivers from intel

maybe you had bad luck on your mobo 😦

my mobo has the i225 as well, and no problems so far

[upper condor]

ive wiped my pc twice and it does the same

and its the i225-v not the normal one 😪

i could RMA my board or return it but i dont wanna have to rebuild my PC

i might just uhhh get an ethernet card lol

[desert void]

so my 6700k just fried the other day so i've decided to build a new pc, any tips on where to start (budget is 1200-1400cad and all i play is valorant)

im still gonna be using my 1080ti tho it seems to be still working fine

[cyan ravine]

Yes historically it's been a very annoying little device lol

I feel like you've done enough steps at this point to consider an RMA if it's within warranty

[upper condor]

I got it like, 2 weeks ago

But at this point I’ve already rebuilt it once or twice to get it working

If an Ethernet card would work I’d rather just get that I’ve thrown enough money away on this pc 😭

[high yew]

i got an offer to trade my 3080 12gb and my nzxt x53 + $100 for a evga 3090 ftw3.
dumb decision?

[strong raft]

Not worth it unless you truly need 24GB for some reason.

[earnest olive]

seconded as a 3090 owner

[fossil cedar]

Even if you needed the 24gb it's still not the best deal

[strong raft]

I was gonna say even just gpu + 100 w/o the aio is barely a deal, yep.

[fossil cedar]

Eeeee

[formal girder]

so intel released the wifi 6e ax1690 module and was wondering if i could use that on a Z690 with 12th gen intead of 13th gen on Z790 since i do believe i too have a m.2 2230 that allows CNVio2

[toxic wraith]

My qled mobo lights won’t light up any solutions?

[analog pulsar]

Time to run chrome on 8k videos

[potent portal]

4th'd as a former 3090 owner that now has a 3080 ti that beats my old 3090 🙃

[tight tundra]

what's better a msi 4090 suprim liquid or a gigabyte 4090 aorus extreme waterforce?

[potent portal]

Whichever has the higher power limit

Looks like the MSI has 30MHz higher boost out of the box but that means next to nothing in real world

They'll be functionally similar

[upper condor]

Should I be concerned about occasional crashes while playing games on high graphics settings

[potent portal]

Depends on why it's crashing

[upper condor]

Not like game crashes, blue screen that says “windows needs to collect data” or whatever

[open jungle]

That’s not good 🗿

[upper condor]

It boots up and works fine right after 😭

[potent portal]

Blue screens are easy enough to diagnose, DM me the contents of C:\Windows\Minidump

There's no personal info saved in the crash dumps

[open jungle]

Should I accept a FR from someone I don’t know or share servers with

[tight tundra]

well it seems most 4090's are all within 50mhz of each other. My take on them so far is that you are kinda just paying for aesthetics in reality as you won't notice that 50mhz difference as well as with OC you are limited by voltage

[potent portal]

Probably not a good idea

[open jungle]

Figured

[potent portal]

Ok I see 4 kernel mode driver crashes, run DDU and install the latest version of drivers after

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[upper condor]

I downloaded it and ran it in safe mode earlier today 😭

Should I go again? I'm just using the automatic drivers

On nvidia website

[potent portal]

It's probably another driver if you already did DDU

I'll do a deeper dive analysis

[upper condor]

It also once or twice has just turned the screen black then the gpu fans run full speed

but i can still hear and everything

[potent portal]

Is your bios up to date? Latest chipset drivers?

Do you have a wifi card?

[upper condor]

No wifi card, bios up to date and chipset should be up to date

I have built in wifi that I use? and my ethernet adapter has been super finicky causing problems

It's only happened in 3 games so far

[toxic wraith]

Is there a way to trouble shoot my qled lights on my motherboard not working?

[potent portal]

Hmm could be related to your network issues, Chrome is named as a faulting process accessing memory it's not supposed to

[upper condor]

Yeah I just disabled my ethernet adapter for now, I'll see if that's causing it

Is there a way to idk like, check chrome to make sure it's not doing anything it shouldn't?

It was 100% open at each of the times I crashed

[potent portal]

That was another thing I was going to suggest as well, disabling network adapters

Well according to the crash dump Chrome tried to delete something it didn't have access to and caused a memory fault

Here's the specific series of events

[upper condor]

Huh that's weird

I haven't changed anything about chrome lol so idk

[potent portal]

Chrome just hates everyone sometimes

[upper condor]

Should I turn hardware acceleration off to be safe?

Not sure how it works lol

[potent portal]

Not a bad idea, at least then it'll have less access to the gpu

Oculus setup was also named in one of the crashes

[upper condor]

Yeah I was in VR that time xD

Playing The Forest

[potent portal]

That explains that then

[upper condor]

That time I also had changed my oculus resolution so it could've just not liked me having it so high

But the rest I wasn't playing something as intensive as VR afaik

[potent portal]

Steam is named in another dump

[upper condor]

Steams been a bit finicky as well but it mostly just takes a while to open for no apparent reason

[potent portal]

Alright that's the gist of the info I was able to pull. Does your memory have an EXPO profile or only XMP?

All 4 dumps were memory related in some way so that's a common factor

[upper condor]

It might've been XMP only, lemme boot into bios and check

[potent portal]

If it does only have XMP then it's likely your system just doesn't like it, since that's tuned for Intel

[upper condor]

Rn I’m on XMP/EXPO EXPO 1

[potent portal]

Ok it does have expo at least

[upper condor]

But it’s just all the auto stuff, I have no clue how gigabyte bios works so that’s all I touched

[potent portal]

Try running without expo or xmp on

If that solves it you will either need to return the memory or manually tune it

You can also do a memory test to be double sure

[upper condor]

How would one do that

[potent portal]

testmem5 is good at finding faults but it can take a while

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

You'll want to run the anta777 extreme profile

[upper condor]

alrighty ill do that real quick :)

thanks for being such a big help

[upper condor]

Alright well I started running it, went to the bathroom came back and my pc was off 😭😭😭

[potent portal]

Uh oh

[upper condor]

Gonna look through the crash log rq

It's saying access to the DMP is denied 😭

Man I hate microsoft

[potent portal]

Copy it to the desktop

The folder is read/write protected but the files aren't

[upper condor]

Yeah this is unreadable to me ngl

I'm gonna send it over to you rq

[potent portal]

This one names Discord 🙃

Yet it's somehow a system service exception

[upper condor]

I mean discord was open I guess?

[potent portal]

There's no rhyme or reason to it so I have to assume it's the only common factor, which is the memory

Especially if it crashed mid test

[upper condor]

That was with XMP/EXPO on I will note

But I mean it should be able to do that

Lookin like the ram should be replaced maybe?

[potent portal]

Possibly

Run the test again and see what happens with you watching it

[upper condor]

yeah gonna do that rq

[potent portal]

Maybe even in minimum boot mode

[upper condor]

Could this cause ethernet issues by any chance? not sure how memory works

[potent portal]

Yes memory can affect everything

[upper condor]

Crashed again, looked like it was on number 6

Gonna go through one more time

Ok it’s on number 4 it bugs out

Turning off XMP now

Gonna rerun

Without XMP it gets further

Yep it runs fine without XMP

[potent portal]

Sounds like a classic memory issue then

[upper condor]

Yikes

Is that a RMA

Before it ran like, 2 minutes max

Without XMP it ran for 20 no problems

[potent portal]

Probably yeah. If you're in your return window you can get it replaced faster that way.

[upper condor]

Alright sweet thanks for all the help lol

[strong raft]

Yea huh. Reminds me of this example when 1935 MHz isn't actually 1935 Mhz, haha. I'm on the right w/ a quick 850ish mV setting. To be actually on topic: Truly getting/keeping another 12400(F) so instead of z690 riptide there's these: (Kind of wanted another gigglebite mobo anyways).

[potent portal]

No reason to not get the Z690 since it's the same price as those B660

Just leaves an upgrade option open for a 13600k later or something

This one https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162031

Yeah it's assrock and VRM sinks are sorta puny but it'll work fine for a midrange chip

[strong raft]

A bit logical indeed. Ok, I'll go ahead and finish checking out w/ the ArseRock. "67 people have this in cart", lol. edit: 6 usb is pretty weak though. I use up 4 w/ KB, mouse, headset.

[plucky timber]

i think motherboards should include more usb 2 ports

or maybe include a usb addon card

[fossil cedar]

Well the 660 has wifi so there is a reason to go 660

[fossil cedar]

If buying new I'd consider 13400f

[uneven goblet]

Is 7 5800x good cpu with 3060ti

[empty pollen]

it is, but i should go 5700 instead

5800 just too hot, and both are pretty similar in performance

ofc that applies if you have an am4 mobo already, if not just go intel... better price/performance ratio

[quasi knot]

So what would happen if I were to use a 5V PWM header for an argb strip?

[empty pollen]

it will probably kill your strip, dunno, test it and tell us

the pin configuration is different on both

you will feed voltage to pins not supposed to be fed with that amount

[quasi knot]

Well for the life of me I cannot find an adapter that would seem to work then

[empty pollen]

if you lack argb headers, then buy a hub or a splitter

and use one already on use in your mobo

[quasi knot]

Well I don't think the argb headers will support up to 90W

[empty pollen]

not going to ask, dont wanna know

[potent portal]

90W argb wtf
You sure you don't mean 90 LEDs? Most headers can handle 80

Most controllers would be limited to 50W or less because they use SATA power

[obsidian wigeon]

it's um

an led strip for room decoration

the guy asked me about this before

[mossy venture]

why would he not get one that plugs into a wall

[strong raft]

Ah I canceled the AsRock. I'm not getting a K cpu anytime soon & might rather have a good b660 than a decent z690. Will mobo hunt for a quick min. Pato I didn't buy new, wouldn't pay $170+ for 12400.

[obsidian wigeon]

idk

[little osprey]

Some guy is selling and he is wanting $1300 for it, is it a good price?

[fossil cedar]

No

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

not worth $1300

[fossil cedar]

That's new pricing

Assuming US at least

[little osprey]

It is USD

Also how is it not a good price for it?

[obsidian wigeon]

It's a price of new build

You can do all that for $1300

[little osprey]

Well if I could get all of those parts for a new build and it’s already built I don’t see what the problem would be

[fossil cedar]

Because this exists and you can just put a hdd in it if you want, possibly a 20$ id cooling se 214xt if you don't get a tower cooler
https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-003P-00023

[fossil cedar]

It's the price that's the problem

[fossil cedar]

And you can add more ram too, still cheaper

[little osprey]

That’s refurbished, I hate refurbished things

[fossil cedar]

And you can do better in a custom list

Refurbed will be better quality than used

[little osprey]

I’ve gotten something “refurbished”before and it still had someone’s account logged in

[fossil cedar]

Okay so return it then?

Or build something yourself that'll be better and cheaper

Also you'd literally be buying used

[little osprey]

That’s was the swapped one because the first one was too slow like it would barely run

[fossil cedar]

Also you can just wipe the install

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-zs-5ds-290us/p/N82E16883151085?item=N82E16883151085

What about this one? Is this computer good?

[weary galleon]

No

[little osprey]

Now I know y’all just have to be messing with me

[weary galleon]

5600g is worse than 5600 if you have a dedicated gpu paired with it, only 500gb of storage

Also only a 550w PSU, should work for the build but would be hard to upgrade components

[fossil cedar]

we really arent

not to mention bad case

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/velztorm-fultix/p/3D5-000W-0SUC7?item=9SIA7ABHY81254 what about this one?

[fossil cedar]

plus a 3070 is a bit better than a 6700xt

3060 is a huge downgrade and 5500 is basically a 3600

[little osprey]

😐

[fossil cedar]

dont focus on it having 32gb ram thats literally a 40$ 2 minute upgrade

[little osprey]

I didn’t even look at that, I just want one good enough where it has enough storage to do what I need. to play Minecraft and maybe a few other games, and school work

[fossil cedar]

this is lowkey a pretty good snag

https://www.newegg.com/hp-tg02-0187c/p/N82E16883451426?Item=N82E16883451426

itll howl but its parts are decent for the price for a prebuilt

[little osprey]

Its ugly

I’m sorry I’m just picky when it comes to this much money

[fossil cedar]

there is no good options left for prebuilts then

ive showed them all to you

[empty pollen]

[humble fossil]

hi

how to reset pc without delete windows ??

[fossil cedar]

do you mean resetting windows?

[little osprey]

Hammer

[humble fossil]

yes i guess

[humble fossil]

??

[hallow glen]

what do you want to do?

[humble fossil]

.

[hallow glen]

ik that

do u still want ur files or not?

[humble fossil]

no i transfer what i want to portable ssd

[hallow glen]

ok then delete? why are u even asking

[empty pollen]

yeah just transfer your files or upload them to a cloud

and nuke that drive

sometimes a fresh install is the best

[humble fossil]

without deleting windows

[hallow glen]

it still will have windows

[humble fossil]

ok

[hallow glen]

you can just look these things up anyway

[empty pollen]

why you want to save windows anyway?

[humble fossil]

you know dell laptop

[empty pollen]

any specific reason?

[humble fossil]

its 11

[hallow glen]

so?

[empty pollen]

aaaaand?

[hallow glen]

oh make sure to save your product key

[empty pollen]

yeah you just need to save the key

and download the iso from microsoft

[weary galleon]

do you know if that's actually 15 liters?

guessing it's not but if it is it might have either itx mobo or sfx psu

[empty pollen]

at the very least is 15L

[humble fossil]

some times when i have alienware the game crash and chrome use to much ram (ik)

[cyan ravine]

Imagine if it was 14 litres

I'd want my money back

[weary galleon]

just curious because I have a 21L case that just barely fits a matx board and atx psu

if it has itx or sfx those are usually worth more

or maybe its some crazy proprietary HP stuff

so uhh safe to say it is not itx

[fossil cedar]

i doubt it

[weary galleon]

According to the dimensions they give it's 15.5

But it looks bigger than that idk

[earnest olive]

need to spoiler tag pictures of dells smh

I didn’t come in here to be ocularly assaulted

[weary galleon]

HP = Hardcore P***?

[lyric thistle]

Pans are generally made of metal so I guess they would be hardcore

[leaden mauve]

Hp z440

[limber oyster]

Built my next pc at work

[manic cloak]

is the 4070 ti even worth lmao

[potent portal]

Define worth it

Because in most metrics no it's not

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