building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

No

Use what you have

[mossy venture]

Not if you already own the corsair ram

[cyan tartan]

k

[mossy venture]

If it's working fine its fine

But they sometimes ship kits out with a very basic issue

That no company should ever have an issue with

[cyan tartan]

which is?

[mossy venture]

Mixing dies in the same kit

[cyan tartan]

oh

[mossy venture]

Which would cause it to not even run xmp

[cyan tartan]

lmao

[cyan ravine]

Failing to run even remotely well as a result

A lot of bottom bin rubbish goes into Corsair ddr4, don't believe their marketing

[mossy venture]

It's a fairly small percentage of kits compared to the total amount, but way bigger than it should be

I'd say a few % of their ddr4 kits

Like 2-4%

[cyan tartan]

thanks for the info!

[hasty cove]

[mossy venture]

Which is way more than quality control issues

[cyan tartan]

any other aios that I should go with?

[cyan ravine]

Ek basic 360 is a nice price

[cyan tartan]

imma check what fits in my case

[mossy venture]

Liquid freezer ii, EK aio, or lian li galahad

I'd recc atleast 280mm if going for an aio

240 is just a waste

[cyan ravine]

Or as bacca said, AK620 if you have case issues

AK620 is a beautiful tower cooler

[cyan tartan]

are they short ish? a few months ago i bought a corsair aio and it wouldnt fit in the case with the ram in

[cyan ravine]

This would be specifically for the 13600K, the other two cpu's wouldn't need it I imagine

[cyan tartan]

had to return

[mossy venture]

What case do you have?

[cyan ravine]

@hasty cove hit me with your problem

[hasty cove]

So basically I’m dumb

And idk where my cables go

I certainly don’t wanna break any of the pins

[cyan ravine]

Motherboard manuals often give diagrams so you can discern between cables and plugs

[hasty cove]

I have a B550M pro - vdh Wi-Fi msi motherboard if that helps

[cyan ravine]

I would take to time to read the manual my guy

Msi is especially helpful for defining which plugs and cables

You can send me pics of the cable ends and I'll tell you which to look for in the manual if you want

The manual will tell you where it goes

[analog pulsar]

bruh they give warrenty for RAM BOXES

[cyan tartan]

Corsair Carbide Series Spec Omega RGB
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Carbide-Series-SPEC-OMEGA-RGB/p/CC-9011140-WW

[cyan ravine]

Yes for royal kits

[analog pulsar]

royals must be special

[cyan ravine]

They are

[hasty cove]

I will

[cyan ravine]

If you've had them, they come in a nice kit

[hasty cove]

Can you open ur dms tho

I gotta be back in a minute

[cyan ravine]

Send it here

My dms are closed for a reason

[hasty cove]

I don’t seem to have image perms

[hasty cove]

Oh no problem

[analog pulsar]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

Ah

Ok

You can dm them katz

[hasty cove]

Thanks

[mossy venture]

Then I would get the ak620

[analog pulsar]

What's a model number

[cyan tartan]

is that an air cooler?

if so is that fine with the 13600k?

[cyan ravine]

It is, just not for serious overclocking

Out of the box the 13600K is pulling over 200W

Which is awesome, it'll stay under control on an AK620

[mossy venture]

Yes, it's an air cooler

[cyan ravine]

But you'll saturate the heatsink fast

[mossy venture]

It won't handle overclocking much, as Felix is saying

[cyan tartan]

i've got no clue how to overclock yet, so i wouldnt do it right away

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[analog pulsar]

I can agree with this

[mossy venture]

My 280mm keeps my 13600k at 80 celsius with a bit of an undervolt

[cyan tartan]

Thank you all for the help! I really appreciate it.

[low path]

do i turnt his off or

its under whatever game i play in my amd settings

[weary galleon]

I'd leave it alone unless you experience flickering or stuttering

[analog pulsar]

is skytech finally doing an okay build

[potent portal]

That looks like a P500a interesting

Yeah it's a P500a, didn't even rebrand it. Parts seem great but we all know they'll still forget to click a plug in and burn someone's house down with that 4090.

Also wtf is up with that "power bar" that's a BS guess if I ever saw one. No way a 13900k/4090/32gb build is only better than 94% of rigs.

[weary galleon]

Based on timespy scores, maybe 94 is just conservative?

[cyan ravine]

That build actually looks good in pics

I'd only worry about which prime p that was

And the psu

[potent portal]

No it just looks like a BS guess because that's the current best parts you can get that less than 1% of gamers own

[mossy venture]

Their high end builds have always been ok, just overpriced

[cyan ravine]

It's not saying the ram speed either

[potent portal]

tbf on ddr5 that doesn't matter

[mossy venture]

I doubt the psu is good

[analog pulsar]

yea

WAIT let me see revieiws

[cyan ravine]

Kinda does if I'm spending this much tbh

[mossy venture]

The reviews are irrelevant for the most part

[cyan ravine]

I'd rather some nice hynix, not some base bin 4800 micron

[mossy venture]

Unless they specify what exact part smthn is, then it may be helpful

Skytechs customer support is still ass

I'm 95% sure they have two people on the entire team

[analog pulsar]

jason S bought one

[potent portal]

What's the link to that pc @analog pulsar

[mossy venture]

I called 6 times and got the same two people in California all 6 times

[analog pulsar]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-000Z-000U0?Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-3D5-000Z-000U0-_-Product

[cyan ravine]

That, looks almost COMPLETELY different

Different board, ram, gpu model

Kingston fury tho so he likely got hynix

[analog pulsar]

its all based on whats available

[cyan ravine]

That board tho

I can tell that board is not up to it

[analog pulsar]

most prebuilts dont come with said mobo bc if they run out

[cyan ravine]

Heyyy toughpower gf3 is in there

@mossy venture toughpower gf3 1200 psu

Noisy A tier

[analog pulsar]

you see the aio stucking up haha

[cyan ravine]

Atx 3.0 native

[mossy venture]

Nice

Still hate skytech with a passion tho

[analog pulsar]

nice its sli

[cyan ravine]

Yes sli

Ngl that customer pic

I'd probably sell the board, put a nice pro z690-a in and call it a day

[analog pulsar]

[cyan ravine]

Sad that it's dead tho

[cyan ravine]

That's normal isn't it

[analog pulsar]

is it?

[cyan ravine]

24 pins have a reserved pin I thought?

[analog pulsar]

idk

[cyan ravine]

Yeah they do

That's normal

Lol

[analog pulsar]

oh

[cyan ravine]

I have one of those

[analog pulsar]

I would like something for my usb cable

It sticks up so much

[weary galleon]

That's your issue and not the cable running over the ram lighting?

[analog pulsar]

Not that

The USB

[weary galleon]

Doesn't matter usb or 24pin, What I'm saying is you care more about those sticking up than a cable running across a lighting element?

[analog pulsar]

Idc I have to take it all apart anyway

[cyan ravine]

Seems pointless to me

[potent portal]

Confirmed 3Dmark has a 13900k/4090 average score listed as 32853 so wegg has it over 800 points lower for some reason

[cyan ravine]

I don't use that cooler master thing anymore cos my cables are neat

[potent portal]

Almost 900

[analog pulsar]

When I change back cpus the cable will be moved back into iys right place

[cyan ravine]

Again, seems pointless to me

[analog pulsar]

Wym

[cyan ravine]

You don't gain anything except a fatter plug for the mobo connector

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[cyan ravine]

Probably mobo

The mobo is easy enough to make cheap and people wouldn't understand

[potent portal]

Nah it doesn't say they actually tested it, wegg says it's an estimate

[cyan ravine]

Oh i c

[potent portal]

But their estimate is wrong

[cyan ravine]

Or maybe it's lower for insurance

So they can say "hey it's within margin"

[potent portal]

They already have the disclaimer that says that though

[cyan ravine]

Hmm ok

Not sure then

[cyan ravine]

Maybe it was lower at the time they put it out?

People be tunin their chips faster

Zoom zoom

[potent portal]

Sure but saying it's 94th percentile is still wrong either way, 3Dmark says a 32k score is 99th

[cyan ravine]

Oh ok

Then it needs updating indood

That's a bit of a ways out

[potent portal]

5% of gamers is rather significant yes

[analog pulsar]

So , this is a regular bend?

[potent portal]

yes

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

The sips reference

[analog pulsar]

I want there cables

I must become sips

[cyan ravine]

You won't have those cables with 4090

There are no rgb cables like that for 4090 lol

XTX you can have them tho

[analog pulsar]

Are you sure I thought they came out with something

[cyan ravine]

I don't recall

Then again

I find those cables cringe

So maybe I missed a 12vhpwr one

[analog pulsar]

How dare you

[cyan ravine]

Nope, don't think I see one

Lol

You can get those for 7900 XTX though

[analog pulsar]

I'm gunna plug these into my 8pin to 16 pin

[analog pulsar]

Yea but I don't feel like dealing with amd and there stupid drivers

I can't even play warezone 2 bc drivers are unstable with my 6600

[cyan ravine]

Sounds like you're shilling

[analog pulsar]

Boi

[cyan ravine]

[analog pulsar]

One momwnt

ITS BLUE

I mean I can try again but this is 2 times now it failed

[earnest olive]

huh

[analog pulsar]

I am here to become you

[cyan ravine]

• grabs popcorn and takes the best movie seat *

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive @cyan ravine would one of you guys like to do a brain scan do i can get to be more like you

[earnest olive]

why would you want to be me

[cyan ravine]

Yes because that's how it works

[earnest olive]

pick someone better

[analog pulsar]

pretty pc

[cyan ravine]

Kenzie got the scans on you

• scans wildly *

[analog pulsar]

sorry ive been playing to much prey game

They work with neruo stuff

Like you shove neroumod into your eye and it remaps your brain

[limber oyster]

Bios trying to push 5GHz on my brothers air cooled i5 8th gen cpu

I have no idea how

Crazy thing is it actually boots

How do I turn it down?

[analog pulsar]

With asus in there target mhz means it's gunna make cpu run that no matter what

[cyan ravine]

What

[analog pulsar]

Idk thats what happened with my 11900k

Asus mobo gave it a set frequency and it would just stay that nit go up or down

[limber oyster]

I figured it out

Somehow he had turbo mode turned on which has it set to always run at the max the CPU silicone can handle

I turned it off and now it's running 3.6ghz

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[limber oyster]

I think we should count our blessings that it was actually able to boot windows and load up applications at 4.9ghz on an air cooler

That's got to be a record....

[viral ore]

all it did was boot?

[limber oyster]

No no

He loaded up discord and such

[cyan ravine]

I mean it's fine, the cpu would self manage the temps

[limber oyster]

Booted up Minecraft....

[viral ore]

willing to bet it crashed under load

[cyan ravine]

What you'd worry about is voltage

Asus MCE skeri

[limber oyster]

1.320V it says

[cyan ravine]

Is fine

14nm brrrrr

[limber oyster]

Apparently

[viral ore]

does minecraft crash or lag spike?

[limber oyster]

It was running at the same speed my 5900x, liquid cooled, runs at max...but his was more stable

[limber oyster]

Nope

[cyan ravine]

2 different architectures

[limber oyster]

He even joined a voice call on discord too

[viral ore]

sounds stable to me

[cyan ravine]

Ghz is not relative in this discussion

[limber oyster]

His is older.....I figured mine would be more stable

[viral ore]

stability is relative

especially considering the fact that some chips are dog crap, and some are golden

[limber oyster]

So we won the silicon lottery with his chip is what I'm hearing?

[cyan ravine]

No idea

Discord is hardly a stress test

[limber oyster]

Same with Minecraft lol

[cyan ravine]

But no clock watchdog bsods means it was at least able to run

If not, then no

Not stable

[limber oyster]

Nope, no bsod at all

[cyan ravine]

Well maybe

[viral ore]

occt is good for stability testing

[cyan ravine]

You could stick a 280 LF2 on it for $50 and find out how good it is

[viral ore]

it will alert you when errors occur

[limber oyster]

Honestly, I'm just surprised it didn't thermal throttle with an air cooler

[cyan ravine]

Which air cooler?

Dual tower?

[limber oyster]

A be quiet cooler

[cyan ravine]

Drp4?

[viral ore]

hmmm

[limber oyster]

I forget which one specifically

His build

[viral ore]

dark rock is p good generally speaking

[cyan ravine]

It was likely fine lol

Discord and minecraft wouldn't push it anywhere near 100%

Bleh I see a prime z390

[limber oyster]

Mhmm

He liked the white and black color scheme

[cyan ravine]

And corsair vengememes

Bleh

[leaden mauve]

you mean you dont run 1.9V on all yuour chips?

weird

[viral ore]

🗿

[limber oyster]

My whole family has been running Vengeances for years with no issues

[cyan ravine]

Must feel weird living in the realm of abandonware

[limber oyster]

With XMP turned on

[viral ore]

far has hwbot syndrome dont listen to him

[leaden mauve]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5094780_farawaythrower_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_1680_v2_2040_cb/ this garbage CPU

oh vcore vid is broken anyway

[cyan ravine]

And see I myself, have been fine with vengeance, but I have troubleshooted too many bad vengeance ddr4 sticks in my time to say I ever trust them

[leaden mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/house-dr-gif-18478738

[leaden mauve]

thats a good way to put it

im gonna use that from now on

"HWBot Syndrome"

[cyan ravine]

Must be pretty terminal to be using this stuff

[leaden mauve]

bruh

[cyan ravine]

[leaden mauve]

believe it or not i own ddr4

[cyan ravine]

Wow? 8gb?

💀

[leaden mauve]

a total of 80GB or something

[cyan ravine]

Less than me then

[leaden mauve]

unless the sodimms in my laptop count

then 96

[cyan ravine]

Still less

[limber oyster]

All of my builds run 32GB

[cyan ravine]

[limber oyster]

Laptop or desktop

[leaden mauve]

my best DDR4 is from 2017 lol

I needed older ddr4 for a specific reason

[cyan ravine]

Which sticks?

[leaden mauve]

they're gskill ares

[limber oyster]

Ahhh makes sense

[cyan ravine]

Ares looks awesome

[leaden mauve]

yea i like these

how much ddr3 do you have 🤓

[cyan ravine]

I feel like they'll burn my motherboard with their orange lightning

0 ddr3

[leaden mauve]

these arent orange

[cyan ravine]

I became interested in PC's in 2018

So no ddr3

[leaden mauve]

i got into PCs in 2016 or so

[cyan ravine]

You take the stickers off and these would look as good as vipers lol

[leaden mauve]

@heady kayak put the stickers on those

wasnt me

[heady kayak]

actually

[limber oyster]

Only ddr3 I ran was for my first laptop. They were Vengeances

[cyan ravine]

Are these A0 b ded far?

[heady kayak]

it was Spicer

[heady kayak]

yes.

[cyan ravine]

Neaaat

Ooo you can see the finger runs on the pcb

[heady kayak]

hmm?

[leaden mauve]

i like to take pictures of all my benching hardware

[heady kayak]

Spicer benched these

[leaden mauve]

goes in my spreadsheets

[heady kayak]

and that's how I know the binning results

I was also there when he did it so I trust him lmao

[cyan ravine]

They would do like, 3800 max yeah?

For daily

[heady kayak]

They should go higher.

[leaden mauve]

i'd daily 1.8V ngl

~4000

[analog pulsar]

How about you try rubbing fingers in the ram slots

[cyan ravine]

Ah I'm not far off

[limber oyster]

Imagine that companies sell product testers the WORST binned parts they have on hand...

[heady kayak]

b die requires maxmem at those voltages

keep in mind

[heady kayak]

?

[limber oyster]

I'm joking

[cyan ravine]

I know A1 and A2 go to the moon but A0 walls off a bit early

[heady kayak]

A0 doesn't wall too early.

Fantastic A0 sticks will wall at like

4600-4800?

[cyan ravine]

[leaden mauve]

[heady kayak]

I mean

we only found this out with like

Cometlake

lmao

[cyan ravine]

Oh i c

[limber oyster]

The new board that's going into bros pc

[cyan ravine]

I know about a0, a1 and a2 from one overclocker forum post

[heady kayak]

it took us years to confidently say "wow A0 actually walls pretty early"

[heady kayak]

Supposedly A3 is actually really really good

[leaden mauve]

time to PCB-swap my dimms

[heady kayak]

F0 best PCB tbh

[cyan ravine]

When was A3 out?

[heady kayak]

circa 2020-2021

[cyan ravine]

Hmm

[heady kayak]

It's A2 but it allows for larger ICs

well, wider

[cyan ravine]

I have elites, they could be A3

I've never looked tbh

[heady kayak]

If they're 16GB single rank

they very well could be A3

[cyan ravine]

I'm curious now

[heady kayak]

A2 is generally used for 8gbit ICs

A3 for 16gbit because they're C H O M N K

[leaden mauve]

I wish my gskill pi's werent garbo lol

[limber oyster]

Y'all talking greel now

I understand ZERO of what y'all saying

[heady kayak]

[leaden mauve]

this is all you need to know:

[cyan ravine]

Let's find out what pcb my elites are

[leaden mauve]

gonna take off the hS?

[heady kayak]

@cyan ravine what capacity are your elites

[cyan ravine]

Nah just see if it's 1 sided

[heady kayak]

and how many ranks

oh

[cyan ravine]

16gb per stick

[heady kayak]

You should be able to get ranks from CPU-Z

[limber oyster]

I see motherboards

[leaden mauve]

the best motherboards

[heady kayak]

I'm excited for tomorrow

[limber oyster]

They look old

[leaden mauve]

:(

still better than yours

[cyan ravine]

They're double sided

16x1gb chips

[heady kayak]

lol

[cyan ravine]

8gbit

[limber oyster]

How so?

[cyan ravine]

So A2

Kekw

[limber oyster]

You don't even know what I have lmao

[heady kayak]

I'm getting the last of my watercooling parts tomorrow

[leaden mauve]

better socket, better components, better design all together

[heady kayak]

that means

it's time for an ITX daily

[leaden mauve]

i dont need to know, i know my beautiful x79 boards are superior

[heady kayak]

idk how long it's gonna take for me to assemble this though

[heady kayak]

probably a LONG time

these are pictures from last night

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997417574897827901/1049311134693466112/50855581-0CB4-46F0-942B-1B270EBA879E.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997417574897827901/1049311135326814248/09B1260D-8114-4BE8-AA33-500968AC96FC.jpg

the GPU side looks nice

[leaden mauve]

yea but no quad channel

[heady kayak]

the other side is a bit of a trainwreck

[cyan ravine]

Gpu saggin

[heady kayak]

GPU isn't sagging

[cyan ravine]

Wedge it flat with somethin

It be anglin

[heady kayak]

nah

[cyan ravine]

Angle my dangle

[heady kayak]

what reference point are you using?

that GPU is straight

[cyan ravine]

Oh no your hand just angle

[leaden mauve]

apparently my axevir dimms are actually MFR which is nice @heady kayak

[heady kayak]

My main concern is going to be fitting the res into the case

I'm also scared that FedEx might've lost it

I will not be using very nice words if FedEx actually lost the package

[leaden mauve]

a cable I ordered off amazon got kinda lost

[heady kayak]

the problem is

I know where my package is, kinda

It's stuck at an airport lmao

FedEx is a very big reason why that airport is still open I'm pretty sure

I'm impatient but like

usually packages move a lot quicker through Dulles

[analog pulsar]

Hehe

Well it is peak now

It just started like last week

We got a crap ton of trailers now to the point we can't get the work done

[heady kayak]

flying into Dulles is always kinda amusing tbh

[analog pulsar]

So your package might just sit there

[heady kayak]

because it's a major hub for multiple shipping carriers

so you see DHL, FedEx, and UPS jets

[heady kayak]

meh, it'll probably arrive on time

[weary galleon]

If it's FedEx don't rely on it lol

[woven horizon]

Anyone have a 4TB nvme SSD recommendation?

[potent portal]

M.2 or sata? Sata is a lot cheaper right now

Oh nvm MP34 is only $30 more than MX500

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Z7LN8NM

[woven horizon]

Solid m.2, would it be good enough as a main drive or should I go Sabrent or WD

[potent portal]

It's fine as a main drive tbh, B tier and all.

Higher tier drives might get you a couple seconds of Windows load time but negligible game load time

[woven horizon]

Going mini itx, going to grab 4tb m.2 nvme and at least 4tb sata SSD.

[potent portal]

MX500 is decent right now https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p7nypg/crucial-mx500-4-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct4000mx500ssd1

8TB https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089C3TZL9

[little osprey]

8tb of ssd storage

that’s crazy

[warped canyon]

Pc specs : ryzen 3
Gtx 1650super
Asrock A320 m
Bequiet pure power 11

Help turn on my pc,fan on, but no display,periphral mouse keyboard etc didnt turn on,

[potent portal]

Clear your cmos first

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

It says Intel but applies to all

[fossil cedar]

Also make sure the display cable is plugged into the gpu and not the motherboard

[woven horizon]

Thinking forward. I dont want an HDD.

[viral ore]

thinking forward?

no

think now

buy what you need now, and by the time 8tb of ssd actually becomes useful, it will be significantly cheaper

an 8TB hdd will run you like a hundred bucks

and this notion that HDDs are "old tech" is complete nonsense

significantly more technologically advanced than nand flash and a controller pasted onto a pcb

[fossil cedar]

Hdds are good for mass storage but when all you might have is a tb or 2 why not just ssd tbh

Yes i concur

[viral ore]

at least half a TB of ssd is mandatory for any system build

for any reason

after that its p much speccing storage based on use case

[mossy venture]

I second that

Though for most people a 2tb ssd would be more than enough

[little osprey]

I’m fine with 512 nvme

[weary galleon]

I have 3tb SSD but if I was more responsible I could pretty easily get by with 2

[analog pulsar]

2TB ssd is good for call of duty and stuff then a hard drive is good for extra games

[mossy venture]

How many call of duties are you playing to require a 2tb ssd entirely for call of duty

I have warzone, warzone 2, 400gb of bo3, and bo4 on a single 1tb drive

[fossil cedar]

I have my os, overwatch 2, warzone, csgo, fall guys, cod cold war and other things and I'm not even close to using 1tb

[mossy venture]

I'd be fine with a single 2tb drive

I've got 5.5tb and I use maybe 2tb, but a lot of that is stuff I don't play anymore

If the ssd I bought from Walmart is the 1tb one, I might get rid of my hdd

I'll put my os on my 660p and just use my sata ssd and the nv2 as game storage

[warped canyon]

Pc specs : ryzen 3
Gtx 1650super
Asrock A320 m
Bequiet pure power 11
16gb ram samsung

Help when i turn on my pc,fan on,loud gpu fan spin, but no display,periphral mouse keyboard etc didnt turn on,

I've done changing hdmi cable,unplug and plug gpu and ram,only windows ssd, but still cant even boot to bios

[mossy venture]

Is there a red light on anywhere on the motherboard

[fossil cedar]

Did you try clear cmos like it was recommended earlier?

[warped canyon]

Is clear cmos mean remove and put the cmos battery back?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but pc has to be unplugged and you needa wait like 5 mins

[warped canyon]

Im so sorry but my motherboard is cheap tier so no light

[mossy venture]

Don't apologize, it's fine

After doing cmos properly like pato is saying, make sure the ram is fully in the slots

Has the pc worked before, or was it just built/bought?

[warped canyon]

Wait so first i need to unplug psu power cable,remove cmos battery,wait 5 min,put it back and,turn on pc?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

Yes that's what it says in the link that was sent to you earlier

[warped canyon]

My pc is absolute no issue at all before and ihavent use it for a week or so,and this happen

[warped canyon]

Ok removing the cmos now

i thought there gonna be a beep sound when ur pc have issue

[mossy venture]

That hasn't been a thing since before windows 7

[warped canyon]

So in windows 10or11 no beep?

[warped canyon]

well i hope my pc part is ok,gonna be sad if my gpu failing

[earnest olive]

it's not tied to operating system

you can even get those beeps on z790 and x670e

with any operating system you want

windows 11

hannah montana linux

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a little something called bios speaker

[earnest olive]

they just used to come as bundled accessories like sata cables do now, some cases actually still bundle them, I have one laying around

[warped canyon]

its still loud gpu fan,and no display oh god idk what to do

[earnest olive]

modern motherboards still have the header to connect them if you feel so inclined

loud gpu fan and no display is often a sign of dead gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[earnest olive]

I'd test it in another system if you have access to one

or if your cpu has integrated graphics try booting without graphics card

[obsidian wigeon]

would try reseating the gpu first

[earnest olive]

he already did apparently

[obsidian wigeon]

clean the pcie contact pins

[warped canyon]

but, when i plug to motherboard and still no display

my cpu have igpu

[earnest olive]

remove the graphics card and try again

[obsidian wigeon]

it suddenly happening makes me suspect the pcie slot got dirty

[warped canyon]

no bios at all dank

[earnest olive]

boot with no graphics card

[warped canyon]

Still no display,and i have igpu

Even cant even load the bios

[earnest olive]

ah, it's something else then

cpu and ram failures are pretty rare, might be failed mobo

[warped canyon]

I only put cpu,memory2stick,ssd(windows),gpu/igpu

[earnest olive]

try removing the ssd too

and 1 stick of ram

[warped canyon]

i try the removing ssd still loud gpu

[earnest olive]

and turn it on with just cpu and 1 stick of ram

gpu and ssd removed

[warped canyon]

ok i try wml

[warped canyon]

No display

[earnest olive]

try the other stick of ram

[warped canyon]

But the case fan and the cpu fan run fine

[warped canyon]

Okay

[earnest olive]

it's most likely board failure

[warped canyon]

no display

[earnest olive]

yeahh

did you happen to update the bios recently?

maybe you updated to one that dropped support for your current cpu

[warped canyon]

Yes i update the bios

[earnest olive]

what cpu and what board

[warped canyon]

But,i check that its support the sec gen ryzen 3 2200g

[earnest olive]

what board

[warped canyon]

Asrock a320m

[earnest olive]

which one

a320m-hdv?

[warped canyon]

Gpu asus tuf 1650s

Yes

It was 2021 winter or fall forgot

[earnest olive]

yeahh you messed up

[warped canyon]

But it was alright for years

[earnest olive]

"*ASRock do NOT recommend updating this BIOS if Pinnacle, Raven, Summit or Bristol Ridge CPU is being used on your system."

2200g is raven ridge

[warped canyon]

No its only for not supported version

I only update the supported one

[earnest olive]

then probably just a board failure

[warped canyon]

why is still running for year after i update the bios

[warped canyon]

Maybe

[obsidian wigeon]

sounds like dead board

[warped canyon]

If i go to local store they probably say memory and storage and motherboard fail lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

and they'd probably charge you for simple diagnosis

[warped canyon]

man what happen if i bought new board and this issue still appear lol

[earnest olive]

i wonder how much local stores charge for diagnosis

considering how thrilled people are to pay me $100 for it

[warped canyon]

Depend on folk looks

[earnest olive]

i got into pcs in the first place because my local store was charging too much for stuff

now i'm their competition

[obsidian wigeon]

it's possible since new bios will likely drop support for older ryzen

[warped canyon]

ey what about the psu??

[obsidian wigeon]

i doubt it

[earnest olive]

you're clearly getting power to the board so

[obsidian wigeon]

it still turns on, meaning the psu is very likely fine

[earnest olive]

probably not

[warped canyon]

But, if the motherboard dead then why my fan spin

[obsidian wigeon]

dead motherboard can still work, but not boot

[earnest olive]

motherboards are very very complicated things

[obsidian wigeon]

^

they're the heart of everything

[earnest olive]

the power to the fans might work while something else doesn't

[warped canyon]

No wonder why its called motherboard

[obsidian wigeon]

basically an interconnect to everything

all interfaces

[earnest olive]

motherboards have multiple layers with many tiny wires on each layer

and you can have a failure in any wire in any layer

[warped canyon]

should i remove and put the cpu back ?

[earnest olive]

if you want, probably a waste of time

cpus don't really just unmount themselves

[warped canyon]

wait i forgot to say, the restart button and the power button is not turning off the pc,but only turn on

[obsidian wigeon]

That's how it is, you have to hold to turn it off

[earnest olive]

that's normal for a boot fail, you need to hold power to turn it off

[obsidian wigeon]

It's got no OS

[warped canyon]

I already holding the butto

Button*

[obsidian wigeon]

Holding down the power button sends a signal to turn off

[earnest olive]

sometimes even holding doesn't work and you just need to switch off the psu

board ded

[warped canyon]

Thats what i do,switching off the psu,is it harm to psu

[earnest olive]

no

[obsidian wigeon]

nah

[warped canyon]

i just wanna to make sure my board is 100% dead

[obsidian wigeon]

In my experience it is the case

I managed to kill mine by accident, somehow scratched it deep enough it refused to work

Had warranty on it so I went ahead and rma it

[warped canyon]

i remember ihave this issue before the loud gpu fan but i only hold the p button and turn the pc on again,and it boot up

[warped canyon]

The board scratched ? how ?

[obsidian wigeon]

Scratched it with the gpu's bracket lol

It was a pretty deep one, I can see the wires inside

[earnest olive]

the only way to be 100% sure is to try another board

[wooden spoke]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x87Fhk

Would I need a new case for this build so far? In the notes section it suggests the gpu might block a few hdd bays

[warped canyon]

wait does mold kill board?

[earnest olive]

you can ignore that

however

please do not buy a 4080

[warped canyon]

Cause i see green things in this board

[earnest olive]

bruh why is your mobo moldy

[warped canyon]

Is like green paint lol

Its my uncle pc

I got it from him

[warped canyon]

Im sorry ,can i dm u the board picture?,

[earnest olive]

just post it here

[warped canyon]

Wait u can post pic

[earnest olive]

...yes?

[mossy venture]

Didn't I make you a list last night?

[warped canyon]

LOL

[earnest olive]

bruh

@wooden spoke https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HvPknt do this instead

better and cheaper

your list won't even turn on

[wooden spoke]

Yeah I hadn’t picked a power supply or cooler yet

[earnest olive]

prime z690-a does not have bios flashback

[wooden spoke]

Won’t it work with the 13th gen cpus with a bios update?

[earnest olive]

i mean if you really want to go buy a 12th gen cpu just to update bios sure go ahead

LOL

just use the list i sent you it's better in every way

[mossy venture]

Ooh, didn't know there was a white ls720

[earnest olive]

for $10 less

went up from 4080 to 4090 lol

[mossy venture]

That 4090 is oos though

Just pcpartpicker being stupid

[earnest olive]

ah

well

[mossy venture]

Cheapest in stock is I think 1800

[earnest olive]

still worth waiting for a 4090 instead of buying a 4080

[mossy venture]

Point made though

[earnest olive]

4080 big pile of suck

get a used 3090ti for like 800-900 if impatient

[wooden spoke]

Wait so the asus prime z690 won’t work with the 13700k?

[mossy venture]

Or better yet used 3080 or 6800xt/6900xt

[earnest olive]

it will IF you manage to update the bios

so you need to buy a 12th gen cpu just to update the bios

[mossy venture]

It would work, but you would need a 12th gen cpu to update the bios

[wooden spoke]

Ohhhhh

[mossy venture]

Because tou won't be able to turn the pc on before the bios are updated

[wooden spoke]

Dumb lmao

[earnest olive]

not all boards allow you to update bios without a cpu

[wooden spoke]

Thank you guys

[earnest olive]

so you either need to choose a Z690 that has bios flashback or a Z790 that supports it out of the box

i am currently running my 13700K on a Z690

[mossy venture]

I'm running my 13600k on the same z690

[wooden spoke]

Is there any asus z690 board that has flashback?

[mossy venture]

Asus makes surprisingly mid boards for the price, or just overpriced boards

[earnest olive]

don't be an asus fanboy, they're not worth it

promise

[mossy venture]

Buying based off of brand is almost always a bad decision

I mean look at corsair, one of the most popular choices yet half their products are mid asf

Logitech too, just good marketing

[earnest olive]

but if you insist on asus z690, then you're better off just buying a 12th gen celeron

their cheapest board with bios flashback is more expensive than prime z690 + celeron

lmao

embarrassing that they advertise bios flashback as a feature on a $300 board

that's not a feature, that's a bare minimum expectation

[wooden spoke]

Ahh good points, definitely gonna consider other boards, I just like their design/look/Rgb

[earnest olive]

looks similar enough to me

[potent portal]

Not like you'll see the chipset cover under the GPU anyway

[frigid night]

That board looks pretty cool actually.

[wooden spoke]

You got a point there haha

Would the Rgb software used to control everything be from asrock? Or could use any software given it’s all addressable

[earnest olive]

you could use openrgb on either one

i used openrgb on my asrock b550 steel legend

[potent portal]

You'd have to use either the one from the manufacturer or openrgb

[earnest olive]

now i use openrgb on my msi pro z690-a ddr4

[fossil cedar]

That 4090 isn't in stock it's pcpp misreading notify now as buy now on asus

[wooden spoke]

Gotcha, I’ll have to look in to asrock’s software

[earnest olive]

yeah we've been over that

just get a used 3090ti if you want 4080 performance and don't want to wait

[fossil cedar]

Would do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vD6f4s

[earnest olive]

otherwise the 4090 is worth waiting for

i can't recommend a 4080

also i saw something about 4080 price dropping once 7900xtx launches

sounds plausible

[potent portal]

In Europe only it seems

And not much

[earnest olive]

it definitely needs a price drop

then again, nvidia has just been comically evil lately

gtx 1630

4080 12gb

4080 16gb

3060 8gb

[potent portal]

Their greed is showing

[earnest olive]

we all knew they were greedy but they took it to new levels recently

[obsidian wigeon]

3060ti g6x too

[potent portal]

F'ing 3060 8gb that's the same price for 30% lower performance

[obsidian wigeon]

wait

30%

jesus

heck nah, that variant sucks

[potent portal]

In some games yeah, average is about 20%

[obsidian wigeon]

still big drop

same price for less perf

[earnest olive]

is it

[obsidian wigeon]

3060ti g6x exists

[earnest olive]

3060ti g6x isn't a worse card than 3060ti g6

[obsidian wigeon]

it isn't ye

[earnest olive]

ig it depends on the pricing

[obsidian wigeon]

i wasn't saying it's inferior to 3060ti g6

just extra heat for same perf

[earnest olive]

i don't think it's same perf

[potent portal]

Price/perf will be worse ofc

[obsidian wigeon]

the bandwidth is the same

[earnest olive]

it's not lol

the bandwidth is a lot higher

[potent portal]

G6X version has more cores

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

okay

[earnest olive]

there are benchmarks of it matching or beating 3070 in some cases

[obsidian wigeon]

we should see like 10% increase

hm, that sounds reasonable

if it's priced the same as g6 3060ti that would be cool

[earnest olive]

beats 3070 in god of war

[obsidian wigeon]

same vram amount as 3070

[earnest olive]

tied in witcher/rdr2

[obsidian wigeon]

so amount ain't an issue

[earnest olive]

it's higher bandwidth than the 3070

[obsidian wigeon]

nvidia repurposing stuff moment

[earnest olive]

so you see it doing better in games that like memory bandwidth

3070 and 3060ti both have 448 GB/s bandwidth

3060ti g6x is 608 GB/s

[obsidian wigeon]

wew

extra cuda+bandwidth really kicked it up a notch

[earnest olive]

it also gets a pretty large gain in 3dmark

[obsidian wigeon]

g6x on laptop when

[earnest olive]

lmao, asus 3060ti g6x product page doesn't show TGP in "tech specs"

[fossil cedar]

Like 60 euro just to do with euro being 1.05x usd now

[wooden spoke]

I like this build, I haven’t heard of PNY for gpu’s so not too sure I’d stick with that part. Is there any fractal cases that are white and would work with those same components, also, any reason to go with gskilk over Corsair for ram?

[earnest olive]

what's the point of having a "tech specs" page if you're going to leave important specs out

[obsidian wigeon]

pny doesn't have bad cooling

especially not for 4080

[fossil cedar]

6000mhz ram is a lot faster than the , and pny do decent gpus

Why you want fractal so much? But if you do the meshify 2 should fit

[wooden spoke]

I saw this too, likely gonna wait a bit before purchasing, I had an abs prebuilt for like a year then it started crashing on all games, so did an RMA and have $3200 CAD store credit to use

[mossy venture]

Pny is rhe biggest aib manufacturer for nvidia, as they make all of their workstation shrouds (maybe most, but a very large amount at the minimum)

[wooden spoke]

I honestly just love their design, but to be honest I haven’t looked around too much for cases

[earnest olive]

i mean

[fossil cedar]

Oh you're in canada.. use ca.pcpartpicker.com then

Fair enough

[wooden spoke]

Oh damn, didn’t even know that existed

[earnest olive]

at least preferring a specific brand makes more sense for cases than some other components

[obsidian wigeon]

^

There's usually decent case from every brand

Or at least one that's not total crap

[fossil cedar]

If you're going to wait no point in making a list now anyway

[mossy venture]

Did I not make you a Canada list last night

Not really sure how 4080 behaves power wise, so might need a 1000w instead of an 850
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hwwb6r

[earnest olive]

40 series transients are much lower than 30 series in general

[mossy venture]

Idk about power usage with it period

Like even base tdp I've no clue on

[earnest olive]

sounds like something you could google before recommending a waste of money

4080 has the same tdp as the 3080 but with lower transients

[mossy venture]

True, but man said he wants a 4080. Last night when I made a list within budget with a 4090 he said he didn't want it

So I made him one with the 4080.

[earnest olive]

I meant the 1000w psu

lol

1000w psu is pointless

[mossy venture]

I did say might tbf, I figured someone else would give input on if it's needed or not

[earnest olive]

well the number is readily available

[mossy venture]

So is input from other people

[earnest olive]

🤦‍♂️

[mossy venture]

Sips I said might because I didn't know, I didn't tell him to get a 1000w. If he were to buy one just off that it's not my issue

[earnest olive]

the amount you're typing about this vs typing "4080 tdp" into google

[mossy venture]

The amount you're typing about this vs just typing "4080 is fine on an 850"

[earnest olive]

.

[mossy venture]

And then everything afterwards

The entire conversation could have ended with that single sentence

[earnest olive]

the entire conversation shouldn't have happened lol

[mossy venture]

Whatever sips, you always have to be right. You can't just give information you have to show that you know more than the person you're telling

[tawny fiber]

Even 4090s are fine on 850watt

[mossy venture]

I know they're fine on an atx 3.0 850, but not sure about with a 2.0

Haven't seen anything about that

[tawny fiber]

No they are fine

[potent portal]

It's ok for pre-3.0 units too

[tawny fiber]

Atx 3.0 is literally about doing double the rated excursions iirc

Like a 850watt has to do like 1600watt spikes

[potent portal]

To clarify, decent units that you would have wanted with a 3080 to begin with

[tawny fiber]

Something like a rm850x ig

[potent portal]

Yep most A tiers like that

Even the ones that had transient issues before because 40 series has less transients

[earnest olive]

lol ok

it's literally 2 seconds to google

you don't even need to open a link

less work than finding a 1000w psu to recommend

just don't know why you would decide not to google this number

[mossy venture]

difference between tdp and what it will actually pull, atleast it was with 30 series

[tawny fiber]

Even the cxf is more then fine

[mossy venture]

I didn't know 4080 also didn't spike like 30 series, idk what you want from me

[earnest olive]

yes, so i answered that

[mossy venture]

YES

YOU answered it

not google

which is why i asked HERE

[earnest olive]

then you were the one who started going on about not caring about the base tdp

which is easy to google

[hasty cove]

yo can anyone help me with putting windows on my computer

[mossy venture]

ok sips

[mossy venture]

install windows to a usb drive, turn the pc on, go into bios, set the usb as first in boot priority

[hasty cove]

how do i set it as the boot priority

[mossy venture]

depends on what brand your mobo is

[hasty cove]

MSI

[mossy venture]

might have to click and drag it

[hasty cove]

clicking and dragging did the trick

[earnest olive]

you shouldn't need to even set boot priority if it's a new drive

[hasty cove]

but should i be dragging it left or right 0-0

[earnest olive]

bios will not find boot manager on drive then go search for any other bootable media

[hasty cove]

do i like turn it off and on again?

[mossy venture]

should be a save and exit button top right, or just click the x and it should pop up a list of changes and if you'd like to save or cancel them

[hasty cove]

oh alright

[potent portal]

F10 for short

[hasty cove]

lets see if this works

oh hell yeah

windoes setup B)

[potent portal]

It was the UEFI USB that you moved up right? So it installs the correct UEFI version of Windows

[hasty cove]

i believe so

setup is startin

do i need to buy a windows pc

key*

[potent portal]

Nah you don't need a key. You can get one later if you want.

[hasty cove]

what does the key do

[potent portal]

Just a couple features won't work without and you get a watermark on the bottom right of the screen

Nothing major

[hasty cove]

ah

which features

[potent portal]

Personalization menu mostly

[hasty cove]

should be find i guess

[potent portal]

You can use wallpaper engine to bypass

[hasty cove]

newegg discord helpers are giga chads ngl

only one person helped me from overkill

[potent portal]

Yeah we hear that about other discords a lot tbh

[hasty cove]

makes sense

CAUSE NOONE WANTS TO HELP PC NOOBS

besides you friendly folk here at newegg that is

which windows should i be using

[potent portal]

Most people want home

[hasty cove]

home, home N, home single language, education, education N , Pro , Pro N

[earnest olive]

very few differences between home and pro

[hasty cove]

what does N even mean

[potent portal]

N means no media features like windows media player

[hasty cove]

okey dokey

home it is

[potent portal]

Regular home is fine yeah

And pro features don't work without a key but most people won't use them anyway

[hasty cove]

okey dokey

do i upgrade or do custom

[potent portal]

Custom

[hasty cove]

alrighty

it be installing

[potent portal]

And if you're installing to a new drive let it initialize as gpt and then just select the unallocated space and hit next

[hasty cove]

idk even know what color my fans are gonna be

[potent portal]

They're RGB right? That's the nice thing, you can change your mind at any point

[hasty cove]

i think they are

i got the phantek eclipse g360 A

[potent portal]

Yep rgb

Nice case too

[hasty cove]

sweet

getting ready B)

does monitor affect graphics quality very much

[potent portal]

Once it reboots make sure to remove the usb

[hasty cove]

just a moment..

do i take it out now

asking for my region

[potent portal]

Nah monitor more affects color quality and picture clarity, graphics themselves are determined by the gpu

[hasty cove]

okey

so i take out the usb now right

[potent portal]

It rebooted?

[hasty cove]

well its asking for my region

looks rebooted to me

[potent portal]

Eh if it's at that point just leave it ig

I forgot that windows integrates with the bios in UEFI mode so it tries to set the bootloader to the top

[hasty cove]

for some reason it says ethernet not connected but i got a wifi motherboard

[potent portal]

You might need to grab your WiFi drivers and put them in the USB, you should be able to skip for now unless it's 11

[hasty cove]

is windows 10

[potent portal]

You can just skip for now then

[hasty cove]

alrighty

[potent portal]

If you don't have another computer to download the WiFi driver on you can use your phone

[hasty cove]

im typing on the laptop i used to download the windows on the usb so ig i can use this one when i need it

[potent portal]

Perfect

[hasty cove]

ay i got windows now

do i take out the usb

[potent portal]

Sure

[hasty cove]

should i sign in with my microsoft account

[potent portal]

If you want, not really necessary but can make things easier if you use the Xbox app and stuff

[hasty cove]

i definitely wanna use xbox app

microsoft edge wishes it was used for anything other than installing chrome

[potent portal]

"There's hundreds of millions of Edge users!*"
*Because that's the number of Windows users that can't uninstall it

[hasty cove]

ah

i cant find wifi

not connected

it wants me to use an ethernet cable

[potent portal]

Ah right, what motherboard

[hasty cove]

Msi

wheres the box

b550m pro vdh wifi

msi brand

[earnest olive]

i use edge sometimes

[potent portal]

I use edge occasionally too... When Firefox stops working

[hasty cove]

the horror

[earnest olive]

to test if some issue i'm having is an issue with the website or with firefox

it's not worth fighting to uninstall it bc it just installs itself back later lol

[hasty cove]

im confused here

why does a wifi motherboard

need an ethernet cable

DO I LOOK LIKE I HAVE ANY MORE MONEY TO BUY ONE

[potent portal]

https://download.msi.com/dvr_exe/mb/intel_wifi_driver_WT.zip

[hasty cove]

so do i put that thing

on the usb from this pc

to the new one

[potent portal]

Yep

[hasty cove]

bet

[potent portal]

Then extract it and install, you'll have your wifi

[hasty cove]

should i delete the windows setupt from it

[potent portal]

Nah

You can if you want but I like having it just in case

[earnest olive]

windows setup doesn't hurt anything, you can use the rest of the USB normally

[hasty cove]

i only got 16 gb on this thing so i dont think theres much more space

plus i can always reinstall it right

[earnest olive]

windows setup files don't use that much space

but yeah you can get rid of them

[hasty cove]

good to know

[earnest olive]

I build lots of PCs so it's useful to have around

[hasty cove]

smart

[potent portal]

Windows 10 uses like 6gb for the installer

[hasty cove]

alr wifi driver is on usb

how do i go about installing

[potent portal]

You can extract the files and run the installer, right click it

[hasty cove]

right clicked

expand. open in new window, pin to quick access, give access to, include in library, pin to start, send to, cut, copy, delete, rename, new , properties

how do i extract these

[potent portal]

Alright double click it instead then, and drag the files out and onto the desktop

[hasty cove]

copying to desktop

copied

allnow what

[potent portal]

Sheesh they made the file structure weird for that driver

[hasty cove]

fr

[potent portal]

Go to Intel WIFI Driver\UWD\Win64\Installer\

And run wirelesssetup.exe

[hasty cove]

installin that wifi driver

says it was installed

[potent portal]

Reboot and see if you can connect to wifi

[hasty cove]

alrighty

still wants an ethernet caable

[potent portal]

Right click the start button and hit device manager

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done

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What's under network adapters

ignoring wan miniport

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realtek pcie gbe family controller

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Is that it?

If so the driver didn't install correctly

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besides multiple wan miniports

nuts

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That's fine we can fix it from there