building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

no reason to get g cpus ever really

[fossil cedar]

That the board you currently have ?

[tawny fiber]

Probably made some sense during shortage peak

[jaunty rover]

pretty sure

its tiny asf

[fossil cedar]

Ah okay then ye

[earnest olive]

if you want igpu for basic usage might as well get intel cpu that wins in cpu perf
if you want igpu for budget gaming might as well get used gpu that wins in gpu perf
if you want igpu for encode then intel quicksync is better

[jaunty rover]

thats why i innitially wanted to get a diff one bc ppl said i needed a big normal one

[fossil cedar]

Nah made more sense to get a 1060 or 1070 and a 10100 or something

[earnest olive]

no not really

[cyan ravine]

You don't

It's fine as a board

If anything great cos you could do itx

[jaunty rover]

itx?

[tawny fiber]

I remember every youtuber saying get a 5700g now and when things improve put a gpu on it

[fossil cedar]

Small form factor

[earnest olive]

at the peak of the shortage
5600g was similar price to 10100 + 970
3400g was similar price to 10100 + 1030

[cyan ravine]

Tiny form factor pc's

[earnest olive]

in either case I wouldn’t take the g

[tawny fiber]

Yea

[earnest olive]

and they’re wrong

[jaunty rover]

ye so i statred without a gpu so i got the 3400g but now i have the gpu so i gues ion need it

[earnest olive]

go 5600g if you really want to go that route

5700g is almost a completely useless product

exists to fill the niche of maximizing performance in ryzen mini pcs I guess? lol

[cyan ravine]

Note: separate convo to what we suggested to you Monke

[tawny fiber]

But ooga booga my 8 cores

[earnest olive]

minisforum moment

[jaunty rover]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r29Xnt would these sticks of ram work?

[earnest olive]

oh no

corsair

[cyan ravine]

PLS don't

[jaunty rover]

ye im not getting a new cpu with integrated graphics if i have a gpu my brain is working now

ok what do i do

[cyan ravine]

Get silicon power 32gb

Or oloy standards 3600

Silicon power also has rgb

[earnest olive]

distinction

[cyan ravine]

That stuff is less than 2/3 of the corsair price

[jaunty rover]

what diff is there between siliscon power and corsair

[earnest olive]

for ryzen pre-7000 you lose cpu performance to get the integrated graphics, for ryzen 7000 and intel you don’t

[tawny fiber]

Isn't the igpus of zen4 much weaker tho?

[cyan ravine]

Corsair vengeance basic kits are just rubbish

[earnest olive]

yes

but does it really matter

[tired turtle]

[cyan ravine]

Silicon power isn't great but it at least just works

[earnest olive]

nobody should be building a desktop for igpu gaming with the current state of the market lol

[cyan ravine]

Close side panel when

[earnest olive]

I am about to build a $650 rig with a 5600 + 3070, if I really tried to squeeze it could have been $500

[fossil cedar]

If you don't care about rgb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KV4BD3/oloy-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-md4u1636181chkda
If you want rgb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7RYcf/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf3d432g3600hc18jdc01

[earnest olive]

for lower budgets there are plenty of used gpus out there

[jaunty rover]

ok so am i getting corsair or silicon power

[jaunty rover]

thank you!

[tired turtle]

Soon I had some other stuff to take care of I’ll finish this project tonight when the 3d printed feet finish up, I’ll replace fan with smaller one and move that to intake at the front lol, then I can close the panel, also cutting a hole underneath for airflow for gpu

[cyan ravine]

No just don't get corsair at all, it's overpriced

In every instance

[fossil cedar]

Np

[earnest olive]

no reason to buy a 5600g for gaming when you can get 10100 + rx 580 to destroy it for same price or less

[fossil cedar]

Actually not really in the eu their ram is often the cheapest

[cyan ravine]

I'm aware and still wouldn't pay the cheapest price for a lottery that may not work

[earnest olive]

maybe the only exception is if you are building a sub $100 3000g rig

[cyan ravine]

In that region you pay extra for POST guarantee LOL

[earnest olive]

I had to work with a corsair ram kit recently

did you see it felix?

[cyan ravine]

I did

[earnest olive]

the IC didn’t match the version code

interesting

ver3.31 indicates that it is M8B but it was actually the far superior M8E

[cyan ravine]

Probably the 10th time I've seen that happen too

You did well for your sanity

[earnest olive]

and I could tell it was actually M8E from how it oced

[cyan ravine]

Rev E corsair is ok

[fossil cedar]

Honestly i had 2 kits of it one 1x8gb (3000mhz) and a 2x8gb 3200mhz and they both worked just fine i even oc'd the stick of 3000 to get 3200 just fine ik small oc but wasn't bothered doing more

[earnest olive]

still a bad price but at least it was decent ram overall

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[fossil cedar]

They where both Samsung c die

[earnest olive]

sure but that’s just one story

[cyan ravine]

I see ded

[fossil cedar]

How'd you find out then?

[earnest olive]

when you see people with unstable ddr4 xmp asking for help

[cyan ravine]

My vengeance sticks from a long time ago were 3.31

[earnest olive]

it’s almost always either mismatched kits or corsair

[fossil cedar]

I guess

[earnest olive]

it did things that M8B is not capable of lol

[little osprey]

It's time!

[earnest olive]

thaiphoon reported M8E and although thaiphoon is not always accurate it acted like M8E so I’m inclined to believe it

[fossil cedar]

Ah so you just assumed it's rev e or well process of elimination'd it?

[earnest olive]

I think thaiphoon is usually accurate for micron ddr4

[jaunty rover]

Thank you for the help yall

[fossil cedar]

Ahh okay

[earnest olive]

not quite, read above

but yeah it became pretty obvious that it was in fact M8E

[fossil cedar]

Ye i think we hit send around same time

[fossil cedar]

No problemo

[earnest olive]

M8B shouldn’t even be capable of booting 3733 usually

M8B is ultra potato IC

[fossil cedar]

M8b being?

[cyan ravine]

Cute

[earnest olive]

Micron 8Gb Rev. B

[cyan ravine]

But not speeb

[fossil cedar]

No that's you

Oh right

[earnest olive]

you may have heard of rev. b being good but that’s M16B

M16B is good, M8B is bottom of the barrel

funny how that works

[fossil cedar]

Yes I'm just familiar with the long names not the short ones

[earnest olive]

it’s pretty intuitive once you’ve seen it broken down once

[cyan ravine]

S8C you know this one Pat?

[earnest olive]

H8D
S8B
I’m sure you can read these now

[cyan ravine]

H16M

[fossil cedar]

Guessing samsung 8gb c die

[cyan ravine]

YE

[fossil cedar]

Makes sense yeye

[cyan ravine]

U DUN IT

[fossil cedar]

Djr 8gb for h8d I'm guessing?

[fossil cedar]

[cyan ravine]

Ye but djr is the more common phrase

It's just shorthand

The 8 and 16 refer to gbit or density

[fossil cedar]

Yis

[cyan ravine]

So s8b but 16gb is dual sided, but s16b 16gb single sided

The shorthand is good for finding little distinctions between certain sticks too

Say, 8gb H16M ddr5

Kek

[fossil cedar]

Wait what

[earnest olive]

is this a real thing? lol?

4 chips of m-die on a dimm?

I hope not, sounds kind of illegal

[cyan ravine]

Idk, my brain thunk it, I've never looked

8gb sticks are off the planet for me

[earnest olive]

would that be… half rank…?

[cyan ravine]

You found the curse

[earnest olive]

surely this isn’t real

please

[little osprey]

Is it better to install in A1+B1 or A2+B2

[fossil cedar]

Well isn't 16gb ddr5 dual rank anyway so it would just be 1 rank right? Right?

A2 b2

[little osprey]

Okkay

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

read the manual

it’s usually A2 B2 but not always

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

@little osprey

[fossil cedar]

Right??

[earnest olive]

I have a board that wants A1 B1

it’s also about 9 years old

but you should read the manual anyways

[fossil cedar]

Interesting

[little osprey]

I went with a2b2 bc the sparkles

[cyan ravine]

Half a rank exists

[earnest olive]

it’s my asus z87 maximus hero

[cyan ravine]

Kekw

[fossil cedar]

Oh no how why

[earnest olive]

I’m not sure if my asus z87-k was the same because I ran 4 dimms in that

[cyan ravine]

That's why people were like "STAY AWAY FROM 8GB D5"

Cos they have 16gbit half rank

X16 curse

[earnest olive]

it’s worth checking, having ram in suboptimal slots can cause bsods even at stock speeds

[cyan ravine]

But it's not terrible just, cursed

It's still running high frequency off of new node

[earnest olive]

8GB M64B DDR6

[cyan ravine]

Overclocking dream

[earnest olive]

you get one singular memory chip on your dimm.

[little osprey]

These 3 gray spots, is that the thermal paste?

[earnest olive]

yes

[little osprey]

Ah okay

[cyan ravine]

One chip is perfect for ddr6 records

[earnest olive]

taste it to make sure please don’t

[earnest olive]

when the manufacturer maxmems for you

how thoughtful

[fossil cedar]

You feel like micron is gonna do well in ddr6?

[earnest olive]

truly offering the best out of the box overclocking experience

[earnest olive]

I do not have a crystal ball

[fossil cedar]

Smh why not

[cyan ravine]

I feel like micron doesn't understand they stopped selling ballistix yet themselves

[fossil cedar]

I just feel like crucial has given up on dram

[earnest olive]

whoever has the best IC in a generation seems to be random

they definitely haven’t

[cyan ravine]

Samsung meanwhile doing hynix things with rdimms

[earnest olive]

they’re pushing the hell out of their ddr5 on social media/advertising

[fossil cedar]

Ik they're making jedec kits but like

The actual good stuff

[earnest olive]

i mean

they weren’t premium for ddr4 either

neither was hynix (for daily at least)

[cyan ravine]

Micron and samsung afaik are using old d4 based chips

[earnest olive]

but hynix is now the best for d5

[cyan ravine]

Samsung definitely is

S16B is on ddr5 afaik

[earnest olive]

micron could become the best for ddr6

or could be the worst

heck I would only be mildly surprised if elpida or rambus was the best ddr6

[fossil cedar]

I mean at least they made xmp kits

[cyan ravine]

Nanya top tier when

[earnest olive]

is there really no crucial ddr5 with xmp?

[fossil cedar]

Forgot nanya existed

[little osprey]

Do I take the sticker off before putting it in the slot?

[cyan ravine]

It's literally all jedec

[earnest olive]

I think nanya actually had some good kits of ddr3 right?

[fossil cedar]

Nope they go up to 5200 "xmp" and manually can be pushed to 5600 if you try

[earnest olive]

bruh

[cyan ravine]

Even 5600 micron kits that are xmp are actually jedec now

[earnest olive]

well

[cyan ravine]

Cos 13th

[earnest olive]

I still doubt they’ve given up

[fossil cedar]

That's what i mean

[fossil cedar]

Keep the sticker on

[cyan ravine]

Micron has embrace jedec

[earnest olive]

it feels like intel’s kaby lake moment

[fossil cedar]

Hows that work?

[little osprey]

Thxx

[earnest olive]

perhaps micron will blossom like a beautiful alder lake later 🙂

[fossil cedar]

Kaby lake is 8th gen?

[cyan ravine]

Literally stick old chips on new sticks. Idk if they shrunk the node process in turn or not

[fossil cedar]

I cannot remember

[cyan ravine]

Kaby lake is 7th

[fossil cedar]

Ahh so close

[fossil cedar]

But like Samsung kits where not hitting 6000mhz before how would ddr4 dies do that?

[cyan ravine]

It's a much clearer signal due to pmic

[fossil cedar]

I see hmmm

[cyan ravine]

I'm guessing they did node shrink cos they also do this at lower voltage but idk, does ram on cold like lower voltage than ambient?

Like cpus?

I've never really read too hard into ram on sub ambient so not sure on that bit

But that would tell you if they used a new node for the same type of chip or not

[little osprey]

I have these little sticker things, am I supposed to stick them on top of that black square under the SSD?

[stoic island]

Yea, 980 is single sided, it doesn't have any nand chips on the back side like some other chips

[little osprey]

Oh okay

It came with 2 square stickers, but I only need 1?

[stoic island]

check if one will allow it to have contact with the bottom

although if the drive is single sided dunno why they want it to make contact with the pad lol

[little osprey]

I just put a sticker on top of the black cube that's already there, I think that's what it's asking

[analog pulsar]

I wanna build rn but I'm so wiped from work

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine looks like feet coming off

[fossil cedar]

I don't think so

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar how do I take feet of pc case the manual or google not giving me anything

[fossil cedar]

🤷

[buoyant patrol]

Is that what they’re for… I stg I’ve never used them in my life

Thought they were like packing peanuts 😭

[analog pulsar]

I got it haha

[cyan ravine]

Remembered 16gbit wasn't a thing for b die on ddr4 lol (at least consumer wise)

And yes that, with a node shrink means it's indeed b die but different

[potent portal]

Right there's no 32GB sticks of b-die, but there is 16GB DR

[cyan ravine]

As it usually goes early morning I'm often forgetting something lol

[potent portal]

Samsung's 16Gb modules seem to be pretty weak, M die might not even scale to 1.35v

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine I just took aio off

So I think I screwed the aio into hard the other screws came out with it 💀

[vague oracle]

…

https://tenor.com/view/tina-belcher-bobs-burgers-uhhh-umm-looking-worried-gif-25869455

[cyan ravine]

No that happens to me too

But your paste def needs to be better

[analog pulsar]

Does it matter which way this goes on hard drive @cyan ravine

@fossil cedar how is this supposed to work

The cable is in way fan can't get screwed in

This is wrong to do

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine A or B

[potent portal]

Doesn't technically make a difference

[analog pulsar]

I was gunna do this

[analog pulsar]

@potent portal @cyan ravine is that good

[woven horizon]

No

[analog pulsar]

Why not

[woven horizon]

Everyone has their own opinion on how much is enough. I do an x across the IHS.

[analog pulsar]

Well last time I applied it my cpu was 43C idle

I think

[woven horizon]

Ambient temp?

[analog pulsar]

Let's go with 65F

[woven horizon]

Okay so about 18C, my 12600k idles at 23C with an ambient of 18C

23-26c

[analog pulsar]

Well it feels like Intel chips are more lengthy then amd like amd square and Intel looks rectangle

So I feel like not enough thermal paste getting up top

And down

[woven horizon]

The cpu die is almost the length of the IHS.

If your temps are under control while gaming you’re good.

[analog pulsar]

Where's my power SW

My case only comes with SW lol

[cyan ravine]

I use more than this

Also whichever way you rotate the block dun matter

[potent portal]

I also do the X pattern. You definitely need more than that.
Another part of the issue is you've got a square cold plate on a rectangular CPU.

[cyan ravine]

Sausage down the middle is the best quick way for lga1700

Top to bottom

Cross pattern screw in with quarter turns

[analog pulsar]

System boots but aio fans no spin

Ahhh I plugged it in wrong

@potent portal I'm working with limited space here

What's this

[leaden mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-nutella-nutella-chocolate-thermal-paste-meme-gif-24395210

[woven horizon]

Yummy Nutella

[little osprey]

Omg

[little osprey]

I'm basically done putting in all the parts but I have these 2 cables that came with the Case, anyone know what they're for, the 2 on the right say sata 6gb

Idk what the one that says speaker is 😭

[weary galleon]

Speaker isn't necessary, the right 2 are for Sata storage drives

[little osprey]

I'm using this, so does that mean I don't need the cables either?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes

That's an nvme ssd, you simply install em on m.2 pcie slots

No sata power required

[little osprey]

Ah okay

The speaker thing is kinda, making me feel I skipped a step

What is it for?

I wanna connect it!

[obsidian wigeon]

It's only for beeping bios post

Which isn't necessary

Since modern mobos has debug leds

But you can connect it if you want to

It's that beep you hear from old computers

[little osprey]

aww that sounds cutee

[obsidian wigeon]

They came with bios speaker

[little osprey]

where would it go

[obsidian wigeon]

Anywhere really

[little osprey]

It's got 4 square spots

[obsidian wigeon]

Since modern cases lacks the spot for one

All you can do is lay it anywhere you deem doable

[little osprey]

I don't even think the motherboard has a spot to plug it into F

Unless I connect to one of the fan ones

[obsidian wigeon]

There should be something called SPEAKER or something

A header on the board

Not hd audio tho, that's for your sound

It's usually labeled PC_SPEAKER or something like that

Would refer to the manual for that

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

Which board is this?

[little osprey]

it's fine I'll just leave it, no beep boops for my PC

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah seems it lacks the header

[little osprey]

Thank you though!!!! 😁😁

[drowsy zodiac]

what are good gpu and cpu temps when gaming?

[obsidian wigeon]

Anything before point of thermal throttling is perfectly fine

What are you getting rn?

[drowsy zodiac]

bout 35 cpu and 55 gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

That's pretty good then

[drowsy zodiac]

okay thanks

what would be bad?

[mossy venture]

90c

[jagged nest]

I got two liquid coolers should I use the 360mm one as an intake one or the 240mm one as an exhaust?

[cyan ravine]

@jagged nest which aio leads to which

[little osprey]

It didn't turn on 😔👊

anyone have any suggestions what an issue could be

Or how can I test/find out what it could be

[analog pulsar]

Cpu is still 40C idle and 85C at max load

Also my pc is so loud now

Gpu sees same temp

with front aio

vs top

Yall wanna see some dirt

[little osprey]

Cool stuff

[analog pulsar]

Ooop 91C at 221W

Prime 95 I was testing my new repad

Seems to be okay

[desert gulch]

repad cpu?

[cyan ravine]

So much more dust and yet that aio is so much newer

[analog pulsar]

[analog pulsar]

yea i switched cases so i put new paste on

[desert gulch]

oh paste good

was gonna say thermal pad cpu lol

oh yeah how do you like that torrent thing?

[little osprey]

I think I'll just have to take it all apart and put it back together

[heady kayak]

bruh

[analog pulsar]

what

[analog pulsar]

its focus 2 and i like it its small and compact i do like big cases for all the room they have but bigger cases means more area air will just go round and round

[desert gulch]

oh yeah

[analog pulsar]

i gotta get 1 more fan to be complete

[desert gulch]

are the stock fans good?

[analog pulsar]

but airflow is good with this case i read

[desert gulch]

ye

[analog pulsar]

only 1000RPM

[cyan ravine]

I mean you really only need 4 fans kenzie

Top fans won't do anything

You're sticking it right under a cabinet

[analog pulsar]

RGB

[heady kayak]

no you need 180 fans

[desert gulch]

i mean i have 10

and still could add a couple more

[cyan ravine]

Ya but kenzie is taking the feet off the case to make it fit

Lolol

To squeeze it under a cabinet

[heady kayak]

at this point just let him do it.

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine look at all this room

[desert gulch]

i have 1 psu fan, two gpu fan, 1 cpu fan, x570 board fan, 3 intake, 2 exhaust

= total 10 fans lol

[cyan ravine]

I didn't know you had more room under there lol

We measured it was just snug

[analog pulsar]

That's supposed to be a light

I should add fans into my pc case for push pull configuration to have more RGB

Here is pic

[little osprey]

It looks cool!

[cyan ravine]

Wait what happened to it

Lol

Did you need the light out to fit

[little osprey]

If it's not turning on is it better to take it apart sooner than later

The whole pc

Just in case something is not connected or put in wrong

[analog pulsar]

No when we got desk it had lights but I actually broke them and never for new ones

[little osprey]

Or will unplugging it b fine

[cyan ravine]

Oh ok

[haughty void]

Poor cpu

It's gonna die a flaming hot death

[cyan ravine]

Grilled

One might say

[jagged nest]

What do the numbers on the back of fans mean

Is one better than the other

[leaden mauve]

the bottom one uses slightly less power

V times A = wattage

[analog pulsar]

Why is that

[potent portal]

Speaker goes on the front panel header, 18 in this board layout.

And simply unplugging the PC if you're done building for the day is fine

[solid rampart]

So my new motherboard has 2x m.2 slots for ssd's... one is a 4th gen(64gbps) and the other is a 3rd(32gbps)... ordered a 1tb for games and a 250gb for the os and utilities... which drive would benefit more in the faster slot?

[potent portal]

Are either of the drives PCIe 4.0? If not then it doesn't matter

[solid rampart]

Seems like 1 supports 4.0

[potent portal]

Then put the 4.0 drive in the top 4.0 slot

[solid rampart]

Both the drives are 3.0, so it doesn't matter?

[potent portal]

If both drives are 3.0 then the M.2 slot will be in 3.0 mode anyway, so it'll be the same speed either way

[solid rampart]

Gotcha, ty

[paper summit]

Damm @austere condor your builds always come out great

Also didnt relize how big the swft cards were

[analog pulsar]

[austere condor]

thanks 😄

[paper summit]

Glad tk it will fit in my case tho

[austere condor]

yeah, i really like the XFX cards

they're super clean looking

[wanton summit]

Hello, I'm new here but I have a question. I need a a2485 to replace a m1 2021 macbook pro 16 keyboard

Where would a order such a piece?

Right, I've been watching a replacement video but not sure where to gey the part

Warranty ended 20 days ago sadly

I see a bunch on alibaba but scared of that

Thank you

Yeah, may have geek squad come and do a home repair

Haha, that bad?

[weary galleon]

Take it to a repair shop

[weary galleon]

Yeah :/

[wanton summit]

Gotcha, will do. I've taken apart and put back a projector before

And the tools for it but not the confidense

I hear ya, hopefully I can give it to someone that knows repair

[weary galleon]

I would trust them to help a grandparent set up a computer or smart tv but probably not anything more technical

[wanton summit]

Seems a fair assestment

They must of needed a real tech

Yeah would be nice if macbook keyboards werent riveted in

[leaden mauve]

I've opened macbooks 🤓

Come work at staples easytech with me

Can't handle it I understand

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine i want RGB power supply for my pc

[potent portal]

At least it's a low A tier

[analog pulsar]

Nice

My power supply sits like this in my case might as well get some RGB

[little osprey]

e

[potent portal]

Power supply is fighting the GPU for air like that so I hope you've got good positive air pressure

[analog pulsar]

Felix said it's fine

@potent portal my power supply has a switch so I can make it turn off if cold

Oh waot

I'm confused

I can switch fan placement

Like go left or rogjt

I have the df

[potent portal]

Ah you can invert the fan? That's good then, it can blow on the GPU

[analog pulsar]

Which way is that

[potent portal]

You'll know by feel when it's on

[analog pulsar]

Well it's inside my case

[potent portal]

And you can take off the glass and hold your hand by the fan

[analog pulsar]

That's so much work

[analog pulsar]

@potent portal so I talk to Luke they said it's exhaust no matter what way it's going

It's self cleaning psu

[potent portal]

Ah interesting

[desert gulch]

Enermax Engineers:
make a psu that you can just normally mount fan down ❌
make a psu that has clearance issues with most cases if mounted fan down but add a fan inversion switch ✅

[desert gulch]

but yeah it wont really do that sadly

it basically spins in reverse for a tiny bit at startup then goes back to normal

just enough to hopefully throw some dust out

[analog pulsar]

Or there's a switch on back too

[potent portal]

That switch is probably for "hybrid mode" so it only spins under load

[analog pulsar]

https://youtu.be/HRcBpHu2EEg

Just says if you press button it spins back words for 10 seconds

Then goes back to normsl

[oak jay]

is someone able to spec out a pc in a small ish case for like $1300-1600

[next dock]

is there a good website to compare CPUs

[oak jay]

thank you

[still roost]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[next dock]

thx

[oak jay]

basically just moderate gaming, i currently have a 3060 ti so id like it to be better than that, something like a 6800xt if it can fit im not totally sure

also it would be good if it used the 3600 version of corsair vengance rgb ram because thats what i have currently and i could double the capacity

oh cool

yes

[lucid breach]

i have a3060 ti and game on it 😦

[oak jay]

yep thats what i use it for

id be open to using the same gpu that i have rn

i also have a decent power supply i think 650 watt

lemme make it in part picker real quick

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KVLPDq

not the best build but it was height of the chip shortage and i wasnt very good at the time

h510 ☹️

fair

yeah im tired of having a massive tower sitting on my desk

sure

👍

1440p main and 1080p second

sure thats fine

nah air cooling is all good

[cyan ravine]

It is fine cos you took the feet off the case so other way round and the PSU would be choked off

[analog pulsar]

Haha

[cyan ravine]

I mean better some air even if it fights the GPU vs nothing

Given your circumstances

[analog pulsar]

Well like I said the psu is exhaust

So pushes air up

[cyan ravine]

That's still better

[analog pulsar]

i plugged display into IGPU lol

[cyan ravine]

Did 5700X price drop? That's nice

[oak jay]

thank you

[cyan ravine]

Gpu prices are rising

After black friday moment

It should come back down in the next few months hopefully, or if not consider used as used keeps looking good

[oak jay]

no used is finme

[cyan ravine]

r/hardwareswap a 3080/6900XT

Idk I know they'll be cheap

3080 10gb's are 500

600 or less

Sometimes as low as like 525

For 6900XT

[little osprey]

Okay so after the first put together complete and nothing powered on, I took it apart and re put everything together and still nothing

Anyone have some suggestions what I should check

Or is there a way I can check each part

[little osprey]

Wait a minute

What if not even the fan in the PSU is turning on?

Does that mean anything or no

Shouldn't ATLEAST that turn on if it's plugged in?

[honest imp]

u need a new pc

[potent portal]

PSU fans might not spin if it has a hybrid mode

Sometimes there's a toggle for that and sometimes not

[little osprey]

Would it be on the PSU itself

[potent portal]

The toggle? Yes

What PSU is it?

[potent portal]

I think that one did have hybrid mode but I'll double check

[little osprey]

Thank u

[honest imp]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-a-gaming/p/N82E16813119349?Description=b550 a&cm_re=b550_a-_-13-119-349-_-Product

is this item out of stock?

cant tell

[potent portal]

It's backorder so it's like a pre-order

[honest imp]

so its not in stockm

stock*

[little osprey]

Says no

[potent portal]

Not at this moment but expected to arrive on the second

[little osprey]

I'm

[honest imp]

it always sells out so fast

[little osprey]

If I can't figure it out I think I'm just going to take it all apart again, and try to return as many of the parts as I can

rip first build

[potent portal]

GX2 appears to be one of the lower end models and doesn't seem to have hybrid mode that I can tell

[little osprey]

do u think maybe the psu could just be DOA then?

I still feel like, if it's not the PSU then the fan should spin at the very least

[potent portal]

So if that fan isn't spinning then one of several things are possible:
The 24 pin connector isn't seated fully, either PSU side or mobo side
The power button isn't connected properly (pretty common tbh)
The unit itself is bad

[little osprey]

I'll check the 24 pin

Omg it's hard to take out

[potent portal]

It's all those pins

The more pins the more friction

[desert gulch]

make sure youre holding down that little tab before you try pulling it out

[potent portal]

That's also why it's so easy to not get it fully in because it needs so much force

[little osprey]

I got it out

[potent portal]

Yes the missing pin is normal

[little osprey]

I don't see a silver thing in the 5 square in the bottom row

Oh okay

[potent portal]

[little osprey]

Hmm

[potent portal]

Common question

[little osprey]

So that's fine then?

[desert gulch]

yeah

[little osprey]

What else can I check

[desert gulch]

the power button, where it hooks into the motherboard

should be a huge bank of little pins near the buttom (right typically) of the board

your manual will tell you the correct pins for it

[little osprey]

Is it the ones that are built in with the case?

[desert gulch]

should be under "front panel io" or "front panel header" or something similar

[potent portal]

I've also seen, rarely, that the power button itself was bad and I had to contact the case manufacturer for a replacement

[desert gulch]

what motherboard is it?

[little osprey]

They look fine to me

Here lemme get the name

[potent portal]

This one should be the power

[little osprey]

The 24 pin socket looks fine too

[potent portal]

Theory, try hitting the reset button on the case instead of power

Once you have it plugged in again

[desert gulch]

theres a chance he plugged the power/hdd LED into the switch pins too

[little osprey]

Alr

[desert gulch]

ok yeah that thing

its in the yellow highlighted pins?

[little osprey]

Yea it was

I just unplugged it then put it back in

[desert gulch]

fal, have you checked eps?

[potent portal]

Cases have mislabeled them before

Haven't done EPS yet but PSU fan doesn't spin

[desert gulch]

yeah may as well tho

[potent portal]

It would spin and just spit an error on the LCD

00

[dapper stratus]

good morning everyone

[desert gulch]

yeah but worth a shot ig

[little osprey]

Good morning

[desert gulch]

good evening

[potent portal]

Fair enough, best to cover all the bases before calling it

[little osprey]

They're plugged in the right way too right

[desert gulch]

im kinda lost on why it wouldnt even do anything

yeah

[little osprey]

The labels are facing the bottom

[desert gulch]

either way works

[little osprey]

Or down ig

Oh

[desert gulch]

polarity doesnt matter on a switch

[potent portal]

That doesn't matter on buttons, it's not polarized like LEDs

[desert gulch]

ig if this doesnt work worth a shot to try a jumper/shorting it

[potent portal]

You could even just touch something metal to both of those pins

Yeah shorting them lol

[little osprey]

Wym?

[desert gulch]

basically you use a piece of metal as the switch

and you short out those two power switch pins, which acts as a button

[potent portal]

You'd take the wire off the pins and touch them both with a knife or something

[little osprey]

Hm okay

Would the screwdriver work

It's magnetic tho

[potent portal]

That's all a button really does, is bridge a connection when pressed

Yeah it'll do

[little osprey]

Okay I'll take out the pw switch

And touch it against the one on the mobo right

Lemme plug the psu back in

OMG

IT TURNED ON FOR A SEC

AHHH

The lights and fans were OnNnNNNn

Wait so what does that mean??

[desert gulch]

did you hear any "click" or anything?

[little osprey]

When I pressed the screwdriver on it?

[desert gulch]

right before it turned back off

[little osprey]

I don't think so

[desert gulch]

good

[little osprey]

Should I try again?

[desert gulch]

if its off, id put the power switch thing back on

and see if thatll work

[little osprey]

So turn the psu off

Plug back the power sw cable

And turn the psu on

[desert gulch]

yeah

[little osprey]

Okay

Nothing

[potent portal]

Touch the pins again

[desert gulch]

i was hoping it was the reseat of 24pin that fixed it

but looks like it may have been fully seated in beginning

[little osprey]

It's back on!!

And it's staying on

What do I do??

[potent portal]

Everything is pretty much built right? Got the GPU plugged in and all?

Next step would be getting into bios and checking everything is detected

And then installing Windows

It may take a few minutes to boot fully the first time

[potent portal]

Yeah looks good, go ahead and pop the power cable back on the pins (you can do it while it's on)

[little osprey]

wait but what does that mean?

What's broken?

[potent portal]

It means it's working now

[little osprey]

So nothing is broken :0

[potent portal]

Resetting the PSU seems to have fixed whatever glitch there was

It happens sometimes

[little osprey]

I plugged the PS switch back in

Should I turn off the psu

And back on

To see if it work?

s

[potent portal]

Sure

[little osprey]

Okay

[potent portal]

It should be a simple one click of the power button while you're in bios

[little osprey]

what should be?

[honest imp]

Yo fal on the item it says release date 12/2/22

For the motherboard

Because it’s not in stock

does that mean it restocks that date

[little osprey]

I turned off the psu and switched it back on and nothing again

[analog hearth]

I mean it’s currently not even December yet

[potent portal]

It means they have a shipment expected to arrive on that day, but it's not guaranteed

[honest imp]

So that’s only the day it restocks?

Not***

[potent portal]

It should come in stock on that day unless enough people back ordered it to where it'll be out of stock immediately

Which is rare

[honest imp]

Should I back order it?

Or wait until it restocks

[potent portal]

That's up to you

[honest imp]

it’s faster if I backorder?

[potent portal]

Back order is a little bit of risk (you can cancel any time) but you do get your place in line for shipping it out

[honest imp]

should I do it rn?

or wait

What’s the best option

[little osprey]

Wait omg

Back on

IT'S WORKKKingGG

THE POWER BUTTON IS TURNING OFF AN ON NOWW AHHH

https://tenor.com/view/yes-happy-sponge-bob-squarepants-gif-12024010

[potent portal]

That's still up to you. Personally I don't mind doing a back order on something like a board or ram, but something more in demand like a GPU I'd avoid.

[honest imp]

Alright

[potent portal]

There's also the risk of the price going up later to consider

[little osprey]

@potent portal @desert gulch

THANK YOU 🫂🫂🫂

[desert gulch]

np

[little osprey]

AahhhH okay lemme cable manage then I gotta do set up

I didn't buy any windows thing

but I did buy a 8gb flashdrive

Bc I heard something about that

[stoic island]

You can make a windows installation media using a different computer

[little osprey]

Is that like the same thing

Actually, I'll wait til I get there

[stoic island]

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/create-installation-media-for-windows-99a58364-8c02-206f-aa6f-40c3b507420d

[little osprey]

thank u

Will I need to buy anything

[stoic island]

During installation, when it asks you for a key, there's a button in the corner that just lets you skip it

[little osprey]

will I be able to put on later

One

[stoic island]

yes

[analog pulsar]

My pc case only came with power WS

[little osprey]

Anyone know where to buy a windows key

[elfin flame]

Newegg, Amazon, BestBuy, etc.

We cannot give you third party sites in the server.

[potent portal]

Yep anything outside official retailers is considered grey market but it's pretty easy to find cheaper ones

[desert gulch]

Microsoft's website aswell

But Microsoft website usually more expensive than other legit retailers sadly

[little osprey]

Ah okay

[desert gulch]

So it's like pay $100+ for a key or just live with the watermark

Yup

There's always Linux!

Ye just watermark and I guess some minor personalization options

[potent portal]

Nothing you can't fix with wallpaper engine for personalizing

[desert gulch]

You can just do the right click --> set as wallpaper too on images you want lol

[woven horizon]

Big hacks with the wallpaper engine.

[desert gulch]

Microsoft forgor about that part

Major skill issue

12100 3090?

Ok sips

Oh

When do you buy 4080 for tax reasons?

Oof

Nice

Lol

For discord tho?

Common knowledge discord is highly GPU intensive

[woven horizon]

What case should I pair with the Noctua fans https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JC3VnQ

[desert gulch]

Leaving wegg forever?

This server is kinda a big time commitment ngl

I had so much more time in my day after leaving

Yes

I may leave again lol

It's like that feeling when daylight savings time hits and you get that extra hour that first day

Ye

[little osprey]

Quick question idk if it's okay to answer but do I deal with this screen first and do what it's saying or do I get my window flashdrive in first

[potent portal]

Might as well hit F1 and let it do a mild auto overclock

But it won't go past that screen or the bios without something to boot from

[little osprey]

okay!

Do I need to do anything from here

[potent portal]

You could enable XMP on the left there, profile 1 is usually the right one

Then F10 to save and quit

[little osprey]

What's that do

[potent portal]

Sets the memory to run at the rated speeds instead of the basic jedec speed

[little osprey]

Ah okay

[potent portal]

You'll notice that currently it's running at 2133 but that's almost certainly not what it's rated for

[little osprey]

Woah it went up to 3600

[potent portal]

Sounds about right

So yeah that's your "I want the performance I paid for" button

[little osprey]

teehee

Thanks

[potent portal]

Jedec speeds are good for troubleshooting so that's why it's the default still

[little osprey]

this has to match my key right

[potent portal]

You can just do 10 or 11 and activate it with the key, even if it's a windows 7 or 8 key

The part you'll want to match comes later, when you're picking the edition

Home, pro, etc

[little osprey]

oh okay

[earnest olive]

it's corsair ram

imagine if corsair ram defaulted to xmp

[potent portal]

[vague oracle]

I wonder if I could do anything OC wise with JEDEC 3200cl22

[fossil cedar]

Probs 3200c16 very few dies can't do that tbh

[vague oracle]

Also do you think this is my best option for a cheapish mobo for my 10700k?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WC8QDTC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Or should I spend an extra 20 for an Aorus master and deal with the meh bios

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145269?

[vague oracle]

Welp, I bought the Aorus master

Couldn’t pass up a $400 board for $130

[fossil cedar]

I mean i probably would have bought like a 70$ b560 or something but sure

[empty pollen]

yup, those old gen boards are all discounted already due age, not like that one in particular is under heavy discount

[vague oracle]

K series on a B560?

[fossil cedar]

Eh you can't overclock it but well is overclocking worth 60$ diff

[vague oracle]

It’s worth the IO difference imo

And overclocking is also a decent plus imo

Im using this PC as a studio PC so I need IO

[fossil cedar]

Ahh prices have gone up on them but I'd consider this and saving 20$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bLK2FT/msi-mag-z490-tomahawk-atx-lga1200-motherboard-mag-z490-tomahawk

Means you might not loose your top m.2 like with z590 too

[vague oracle]

Why would I lose my top m.2?

[fossil cedar]

The whole 11th gen ecosystem is weird, basically because z590 is meant for 11th gen the top m.2 is connected to the cpu designed for gen 4 only or something, some boards have it link back to the chipset as a secondary but not all it's board dependent

[vague oracle]

I want to stay with Z590 because eventually in the future I might upgrade to an 11th Gen cpu

[mossy venture]

the 10900k is the best cpu on that platform

[vague oracle]

11900k would work a bit better for what I need it to do because of AVX-512

Every DAW I work with prefers the 11900k to 10900k/10850k

[strong raft]

Realize that 11900 did lose 2 cores vs 10850/10900.

[empty pollen]

11th gens shouldn't exist in the first place

alder lake is the official 11th gen 😛

[honest imp]

Someone tell me if the Check this out on @royal pelican: ASUS ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-a-gaming/p/N82E16813119349?Item=N82E16813119349&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-119-349-_-12012022 is in stock last time I checked it says not in stock but it shows back order now

[mossy venture]

i wouldn't buy it anyways

but yes it's on backorder

[shut rampart]

my friend bought this prebuilt ( https://www.newegg.com/asus-ga35dx-xb989-rog-strix-ga35/p/1VK-001S-00C78?Item=1VK-001S-00C78 ) how much would he save if he built it himself

[honest imp]

Why not

[mossy venture]

pretty overpriced unless running a 5900x/5950x, which both aren't worth it anyways

[obsidian wigeon]

he would literally save 2k or so

[shut rampart]

welp I tried to tell him it didn't work

[mossy venture]

he can get a 3080 pre built for 2k

let alone building himself lmao

[shut rampart]

he said hes too old to build it and he wants to overkill.....

[mossy venture]

this is better https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala268-gladiator/p/N82E16883360202R?Description=3080 abs&cm_re=3080_abs-_-83-360-202R-_-Product

[shut rampart]

he wants to stream and play heartstone or wow

[mossy venture]

that can be done on a 1660

[shut rampart]

yup but he wants a 3080

[mossy venture]

ok

[honest imp]

I run a 5600x

I’m buying it mostly cause of aesthetic looks

and I have a white build running a ugly black motherboard

[mossy venture]

black pcbs don't look great

[shut rampart]

do I need to upgrade my drivers if I upgrade pc parts?

[obsidian wigeon]

depends on what part

[mossy venture]

if you chnage your mobo you should reinstall windows

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[shut rampart]

gpu cpu

[mossy venture]

should ddu

!ddu

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[humble fossil]

hi

how to change red dead redemption 2 play screen

[brittle tinsel]

What is a fair price for a amd rx 570?

Considering inflation and all this stuff going on

[brittle tinsel]

Should be in display settings however I don’t think this is the right channel for that.

[obsidian wigeon]

100 or less

[humble fossil]

i fix it

but

[obsidian wigeon]

570 is pretty old

[humble fossil]

I ran rdr2 and it worked on screen 2

so i don't have 8gb vram im RTX 3060 laptop 6gb

it shows 8gb
and if i change it to another monitor it shows 6gb vram

why?

it was 1

[obsidian wigeon]

that's real weird

[humble fossil]

is this a problem ??

it show 8gb vram ??

[fossil cedar]

Country?

[obsidian wigeon]

eh no

[fossil cedar]

Probably just a bug

[obsidian wigeon]

if game is unstable like that it's a problem

[humble fossil]

how can i fix it

[fossil cedar]

It's just a visual bug

Nothing to fix

I'd say just ignore it

[humble fossil]

so that's not a problem

[fossil cedar]

Either that or you change monitor and it's using your cpus gpu

[humble fossil]

.

its the first time i run this game :)

[brittle tinsel]

United States

[vague oracle]

Oh I know, the programs I’ll be using won’t be taking much advantage of the extra 4 threads of the 10900k

[fossil cedar]

It's probably worth around 80$ then

[earnest olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/z2zzj4/canabh_500_rx_570_8gb_w_paypal/

500+ 8gb rx 570s, "good condition" price is $70

if you want to take a gamble on aliexpress you can get 8gb rx 580s for $70 or less

for a 4gb rx 570 idk it's probably worth $40-50

[earnest olive]

these are more likely than not to be legit, just mined on if that bothers you

but good luck finding a used polaris card that hasn't been mined on LOL

[paper summit]

Its fiiiiiiiine

[earnest olive]

polaris cards are old enough that you should be comfortable replacing gpu fans if you intend to buy one

they've been through two crypto booms now

a lot of them will have their fans reaching the ends of their lifespans or already broken/replaced

otherwise the card itself is fine as long as the miner knew what they were doing

honestly, buying a card from a mass listing like this where it was obviously mined on is a safer bet than buying from a single listing at this point

[brittle tinsel]

Thanks fellas

[earnest olive]

i'd rather have a card mined on by an expert that knew how to undervolt, clean, repaste, etc. generally take care of their investment

than some random guy that could have just mined on it at full power/fan speed in his dusty choked gaming pc

neither one is a guarantee but i know which gamble i would rather take

i would say $70 is a high price for an 8gb 570

but it's understandable if you don't want to buy graphics cards from aliexpress

[paper summit]

I still wanna get on old gpu and oc it for fun

"Old"

[earnest olive]

grab a 570/580 then, they are pretty fun to oc

you can do full manual vram timings on them

🙂

[paper summit]

Hmm and cheap

[earnest olive]

you can do that on a 5700xt too

5700xts are also pretty cheap now

130-140 is doable

[paper summit]

Yea 5700xt would be nice for if i ever decide to build another pc

That or aren't 1080tis good too

[earnest olive]

1080tis are a bit less cheap

[paper summit]

Even tho there ig "overrated" lol

[earnest olive]

people still want >200 for them

[paper summit]

Yea true

[earnest olive]

also a lot less fun to oc

[paper summit]

Ok 5700xt or 580 it is then

[earnest olive]

can't mod vbios easily

can't mess with vram timings

[paper summit]

Just gonna have to repaste and stuff

Which is fine

[paper summit]

Oh damm

[earnest olive]

i know gtx 900 series has some vbios modding fun

but not sure if it goes as far as polaris/navi 1x

[paper summit]

980ti can still hold up in most games

What older gpus have u oc

Other than 1080 lol

[earnest olive]

the oldest was an rx 470 4gb, but i didn't do that much with it

the oldest gpu i own is an r5 240 1gb gddr3

but i haven't bothered with ocing it

[paper summit]

240💀

[earnest olive]

it's just my test bench card

it displays windows, that's about all it's good for

[paper summit]

Dont need much for that lol

[earnest olive]

it was $10

they probably made like $2 after shipping

[paper summit]

Oh damm

[modest bone]

I need some help I got all the components of my new computer and I’m putting them in but I’m worried to put the cpu in

[drowsy zodiac]

hey jw i have a 1tb storage hard drive from my old pc that has stuff on it. am i able to just install it into my new pc or would i have to remove everything?

[drowsy zodiac]

you got this just be slow and don’t force it

[analog pulsar]

Hello

[fossil cedar]

You should reinstall windows

If it's a boot drive

Otherwise you're fine

[vague oracle]

@wheat coral You mentioned yesterday that the Neo Forza kit you put in my pcpp was b die but I thought the same kit on tech power up and they are saying it’s hynix does

[analog pulsar]

@vague oracle only one way to find out what's the sticker say on the side of it

[minor flax]

question: what PSU should I look for rtx4080, I was thinking about corsair RM850x but it seems like it doesn't have 3 PCIe cables which 4080 requires?

[cyan ravine]

@minor flax have you bought the 4080 yet

[minor flax]

yes

[cyan ravine]

Oof okay

Which country r u

[minor flax]

Canada/Quebec

[fossil cedar]

Which kit ?

[fossil cedar]

I'd grab this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/CFbCmG/adata-xpg-core-reactor-850-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactor850g-bkcus

[wheat coral]

4400 C19 at 1.5v is almost guaranteed to be B-Die, i haven’t really heard of common hynix kits doing that, but idk

[stoic island]

well, it could be djr

4400c19 at 1.45v is going to be b die for sure

[drowsy zodiac]

it has windows 10 on it but i just want it for the extra storage LOL

cuz i only got 512gbs

[stoic island]

it's just not that crazy of a xmp

not that tight and not that high frequency

[drowsy zodiac]

like i don’t need to get windows 10 off it some how?

[stoic island]

djr frequency scales with voltage, djr can do that

[fossil cedar]

Then you can just format the drive (wipe it)

[wheat coral]

https://www.newegg.com/neo-forza-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-0097-00037

[fossil cedar]

That's almost guaranteed not to be b die iirc it was like 19-26-26-52 or something

4400 at 19 26 26 46 1.45v I'd bet that's hynix

[drowsy zodiac]

install it then wipe it or wipe it then install?

[stoic island]

oh its not flat 19s

if it was flat 19s it would be b die

timings that loose is going to be djr

[fossil cedar]

Doesn't matter

[drowsy zodiac]

okok

it wont interfere with my boot drive

[fossil cedar]

As long as you have the correct boot drive selected, nope

[fossil cedar]

Smh @vague oracle ghost pinging tut tut

[vague oracle]

My connection here is trash lol I sent that a good 20 minutes ago

Only sent now

You think I should stick with that neo forza kit?

[stoic island]

It's not going to be b die so just get what's cheaper

[little osprey]

Anyone know what this means

& what to do or change?

[stoic island]

Is this first boot or

did you just enable xmp?

[little osprey]

I can get into here

It was enabled but I disabled it just now

[desert gulch]

What slots is your ram in?

[little osprey]

I was updating windows and the last one said that the PC needed a restart so I let it, and the PC stayed on but nothing displayed on the monitor, I left it for like 25 minutes but I was wondering why I'd wasn't restarting

So I just pressed the power button to try and restart it that way

And that's when the screen came up

[desert gulch]

.

[little osprey]

A2 and B2 I'm pretty sure

[desert gulch]

Aight good

[little osprey]

Ima disabled xmp save and try restarting it again

Is is there something else I should change here on the bios?

Hmm okay disabling xmp seems to have done it

[analog pulsar]

@brisk brook ay that pc nice

[brisk brook]

thanks, i like how it turned out

white and black is def my fav color scheme

[modest bone]

Ok new problem. I have completed the building process of my computer and now the psu is only turning on and nothing else

[vague oracle]

Is there any good 32Gb 3600mHz cheapish B-die?

[potent portal]

B-die and cheap don't belong in the same sentence

[potent portal]

Why specifically 3600? B-die is for overclocking, that's what you pay extra for, so you probably wouldn't run it at XMP anyway

[vague oracle]

That’s why I said cheapish

[vague oracle]

Rough baseline, doesn’t have to be 3600

[cyan ravine]

If you want cheap, go used

Plenty of used sticks of b die out there

[potent portal]

That's the best way to guarantee that it's b-die too