building-and-recc-chat

[still roost]

CommanderSky1#9932 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[vital pelican]

this things like 4 pounds

[fossil cedar]

would grab this for 96 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mgvdnQ/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-snow-tt-premium-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagx-w

[drowsy zodiac]

what’s the difference w mobos??

it’s all good tbh been waiting like 5 months and just wanna get it over with😂

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar this is what she ended up getting she also found out her backpack doesn't support 17inch she also told me she was doing research for a whole 2 months

She got 360hz for call of duty

Also screen is 1080p

She was looking at legion but that was 165hz screen at 1600p or something

[fossil cedar]

mainly price

[fossil cedar]

omg that is a rip off can they return?

[analog pulsar]

No

[fossil cedar]

why not?

[analog pulsar]

Bc I can't really make her do it lol

She had specific wants so she filled through bestbuy and found what's will work for her

[fossil cedar]

? so they can return it lol

okey her loss

[analog pulsar]

Yes and no I mean they can bc it's not 30 days yet but are they willing too no

Looks like nice laptop anyway

Also they can only shop on best buy for financing

She's also 40 years old so yea I can't really judge her actions plus she's smart enough also has a really good paying job

[drowsy zodiac]

hopefully the storage goes back down lol it just went up to 70$ plus 30$ shipping

[fossil cedar]

would do this if not its a nicer ssd too https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/KkrtbK

[analog pulsar]

@paper summit specs

[paper summit]

Its a 5800x and soon 3080

Soon.....

[analog pulsar]

Case fans mobo ram psu what else bruh

[paper summit]

Aio is a deepcool ls720

16gb of some tforce ram

Asus b550f

Phantek g360a

[analog pulsar]

Oh okay

[analog pulsar]

Should I get this case

[paper summit]

Well depends

Why get rid of the 011

@analog pulsar

[analog pulsar]

To big and cost money to put fans in

[paper summit]

Hmmm

G360a come with fans

3 rgb intakes

[analog pulsar]

https://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P200AC.html this is nice but doesnt support 360

lol

[paper summit]

Well yea its mini itx lol

[analog pulsar]

Hmm I was thinking of getting that

Bc it's probs under 17 inches

[paper summit]

So it'll fit under your cabinets lol

[analog pulsar]

Yea

[paper summit]

Hmmm

But than new mobo

[analog pulsar]

Well I'm buying a new one anyway

[paper summit]

Why lol

[analog pulsar]

I said why before

Seems focus 2 Seems like only one I can do

Yea focus 2 is 17.7559 inches

HEY

ive been googling

https://lian-li.com/product/o11-dynamic-mini/

https://lian-li.com/product/o11-air-mini/

lol

[analog pulsar]

im gunna see if anyone willing to trade on FB

011 for 011 mini or air idk im looking for temps rn

That's weird

Mini air is not 360mm

Wym

They basically both same size

And they kinda saame exact one can have fans on fromt

[analog pulsar]

Yea there like couple mm off

[drowsy zodiac]

pushing the budget a little but i probably could make it work somehow

isn’t there 1tb for that price??

[analog pulsar]

hm nevermind the websiote had diffrnebt numbers

[drowsy zodiac]

maybe even just wait for Saturday and Sunday and see if they go down a little because today the mp33 was 30$

@fossil cedar

order the mobo and cpu tmrw

wait for storage to go down a little

[analog pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLbHrM7sgW4

the air is really easy to get to GPU

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine so I forgot they have an O11 mini so I can just get that to replace my current case but we running into power supply issue

It's to big ig or pcpartpicker being dumb

[proper ether]

how good are these two compared to each other

[cyan ravine]

12700H between those three

[cyan ravine]

Mini isn't really smaller than the regular, it's just shorter

The footprint is slightly different but still wide

[analog pulsar]

Well power supply giving me limited options

[cyan ravine]

I'd stick to the focus imo

The focus air

[analog pulsar]

Yea but im not 100% that's gunna fit

The 011 would 100% fit

this is what im seeing BTW

[cyan ravine]

Well look up o11 mini air, it fits full psus

The o11 mini doesnt

[analog pulsar]

It doesn't fit 360

[cyan ravine]

Yes it doesn't

[analog pulsar]

I have 360

The 011 dynamic does

[cyan ravine]

Indood

Getting an atx that's not tall and fits a 360 you won't have a lot of options

[analog pulsar]

The mobo can move

It has opens

[cyan ravine]

It wha

[cyan ravine]

I think the SP and cooler master are the only two real options here

[analog pulsar]

But lowering it would require it mobo it seems sad

[cyan ravine]

Ah so you can't fit 360 rad

Need small mobo

Yeah nah don't bother with that then

[analog pulsar]

Wait

How talk is ek 360

25mm

[cyan ravine]

30mm thick rad iirc and the length is longer than just 360

Looking at probably more like 400mm and change

Actually

Maybe 390?

[analog pulsar]

50mm

[cyan ravine]

So 25mm rad and 25mm fan

[analog pulsar]

Up and down it's 2inches

Or 3

[cyan ravine]

That'll be 2 inches or just under

It won't fit with an atx mobo

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine I'm working with 17 inches exactly

[cyan ravine]

Nice

[analog pulsar]

Plus little room up above

But focus 2 is 18 I think

[cyan ravine]

What about meshify c

[analog pulsar]

Even the mini is to big

[cyan ravine]

Hey hey

What about meshify c

[analog pulsar]

The focus is 17.7559 inches

[cyan ravine]

Damn meshify c is 17.3

Ok the game is afoot hold on

[analog pulsar]

Which one

I looked at compact RGB

See this all would be an issue of I didn't wanna change monitors lol

Like if we can find a case that's long in length and short in height

[cyan ravine]

Wait kenzie

[analog pulsar]

Rn 011 is only one that technically fits I also listed on Facebook market place if anyone wanted to trade

[cyan ravine]

Did you account for a board underneath the pc to keep the dust out

Or is it hard floor

[analog pulsar]

Wym

[cyan ravine]

You don't want it straight on the carpet

[analog pulsar]

Well we can ig put pc on floor but I have carpet but I would also like my pc to be on my desk so I don't accidentally kick it

[cyan ravine]

Oh you want it on the desk now?

[analog pulsar]

I always wanted it too

[cyan ravine]

I thought you intended for the floor my b

[analog pulsar]

Oh that pic is this

Desk is underneath

Above is storage cabinet

[cyan ravine]

Oh I know now ok

[analog pulsar]

Does a pc need feet?

That would make the focus 2 17.2047 inches

The only bad side about this case is not much room for cable management

[cyan ravine]

Kenzie what cpu you using again? 13600K?

Or 13600

[analog pulsar]

Well either

[cyan ravine]

Ok so it's probably better to do O11 air mini then get a 280 aio

That's probably the cheapest method

[analog pulsar]

Why you say tgat

Focus fits if we take feet off

[cyan ravine]

Cos o11 mini needs the case plus a super expensive sfx psu

[analog pulsar]

Oh

Well the focus doesnt

If you wanna stay on that route

I'll just need to take feet iff

[cyan ravine]

I mean sure tbh

Thin layer of foam underneath to stop vibrations

And flip the psu so fan is upwards

[analog pulsar]

We love vibrations

[analog pulsar]

Why can't I choke my power supply

[cyan ravine]

Does it have ventilation on the top of the psu shroud tho

Oh no shroud

[analog pulsar]

Yea so might take some air away from gpu

[cyan ravine]

Yea fan topside of psu and that ig could work

Nah

Gpu stonks

If anything the psu would need it more anyway

[analog pulsar]

Lol

Only sad thing tho too focus 2 comes with an optional usb type C upgrade you don't get it with the case

[cyan ravine]

Meh

Also means you can get it later

[analog pulsar]

Yea

[cyan ravine]

Usb-c not cheap so

Understandable

[analog pulsar]

yea idk how much that have it priced as

is my hard drive fine back there with no airflow

011 at least has holes this has nothing

[potent portal]

Expensive to add to cases and not widely used still

[analog pulsar]

I use it to charge my phone or quest haha

[cyan ravine]

Your hard drives are fine

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[cyan ravine]

Glad you decided to keep the 4tb

[analog pulsar]

Yea

Now I just need to find a good monitor arm for my monitor

[potent portal]

I was rather surprised when my new Pixel only had a C to C cable and no charger
Luckily I have A to C cables already

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine

isnt DF only 127mm

[cyan ravine]

That'll be the mini air yeah?

[analog pulsar]

wait sorry i got to many tabs openm

[cyan ravine]

Mini air would support but no 360 rad

Yeah I see the feet that's the mini air

[analog pulsar]

i see

[cyan ravine]

I would do either the focus 2 without feet or mini air and 280 LF2 b stock

[cyan ravine]

Ya 165mm but it has to be thin

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

So sfx profile

Ye

[analog pulsar]

Is DF to wide

[cyan ravine]

Ya it'll be thicker

Atx profile so

[analog pulsar]

Sad time to pull the chain saw out

WE GUNNA MAKE IT FIT

[cyan ravine]

[analog pulsar]

Just shave a few mm off

Man I really like 011 mini sad

@cyan ravine if I can get 011 free do you think it would be worth it?

[cyan ravine]

Mini air is basically the same you'll spend prolly 150 instead of 50 for focus 2

Well you can't make o11 fit so

[analog pulsar]

011 mini

[cyan ravine]

If you could get o11 mini free it'll still not be cheaper

[analog pulsar]

Hm

Okay focus it is

[cyan ravine]

If you got mini air free it'd be better than focus route

Cos then the aio would be similar price

[analog pulsar]

Yea but I really wanted to do 360 on cpu

[cyan ravine]

280 is basically the same thing

[analog pulsar]

What's price we can get 280 at

[cyan ravine]

Like around 60?

[analog pulsar]

With RGB

[cyan ravine]

LF2 b stock

I don't remember the rgb price but it's not much more

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[cyan ravine]

Iirc lf2 280 plain is 50

And rgb is a bit more than that

[analog pulsar]

What's better for temps

[cyan ravine]

No rgb makes better temps

[analog pulsar]

Focus 2 or 011 mini air

[cyan ravine]

Mini air

Focus 2 is nice but you'll be restricting it hardcore in that space

So mini air would be a lot more effective esp for gpu temps

Also can fit decent gpus

But this is provided you get it free

Is it worth 100 extra? Not rly

[analog pulsar]

Yea I was just trade my 011 for someone's 011 mini air

But idk if anyone lives around wanna trade I searched case up on FB and nobody had ome neardy

[cyan ravine]

Someone would prolly disagree but imo that's not too bad of an idea

O11 mini air* and O11 evo aren't that different used normally

It's when you do like vert mounting and upright mounting and the additions it's when the o11 evo makes sense on it's own

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tft9TW/gigabyte-b660i-aorus-pro-ddr4-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-b660i-aorus-pro-ddr4

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K7H7YJ/asus-tuf-gaming-b660m-plus-wifi-d4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b660m-plus-wifi-d4

[cyan ravine]

Nah

Not worth doing

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pzstt6/msi-mag-b660m-mortar-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-b660m-mortar-wifi-ddr4

[cyan ravine]

Nope

[analog pulsar]

I like these 3 and okay

[cyan ravine]

Mini air is fine with atx

Unless you wanna change board?

Z690i aorus lite would be cheap enough to be worth but not 3 m.2 slots

[analog pulsar]

I'm changing board already

Oh

Well if we really thinking about it how many ssd do I really need

its not even full

[cyan ravine]

Then z690i aorus lite

That'll let you use the 280 on top iirc

[analog pulsar]

Well if we go ITX route and if we changing aio we can look at smaller cases ig

[cyan ravine]

Nah cos psu cost

You might find a couple

But also 360 rad

So like, a handful at most

[analog pulsar]

Well you wanted to change that roght

[cyan ravine]

Just saying if you want a smaller board do this one

Itx looks fine in mini air

You can change the slots around so it looks flush

[analog pulsar]

Yea but only 280mm rad

So if we changing 2 things should at least look at different cases now that fit either 280mm or itx mobo

Brb I'll go look

[cyan ravine]

Lol

You're gonna find a lot of those accept itx psu's tho

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

I think meshilicious or whatever that one is similar to would fit this criteria

Yeah meshilicious would do it
https://www.ssupd.co/products/meshlicious

[analog pulsar]

🤔

[cyan ravine]

Very unique and neat case

You'd get the pcie 3 variant with that aorus itx board

(since the board only supports 3.0)

[analog pulsar]

Bruh omg

Nevermind

Wait

Ssd or pcie

[cyan ravine]

Pcie

[analog pulsar]

Ew

[cyan ravine]

Lol

Wouldn't make any difference to your pc anyway

[analog pulsar]

If I'm gunna buy gpu at 100% I wanna use 100% of it

[cyan ravine]

4090's run at 3.0 x16 fine

[analog pulsar]

My pc is 4.0

[cyan ravine]

100% on pcie 3

[analog pulsar]

Yea but probs performance drop

[cyan ravine]

Nope

[analog pulsar]

I used a 3080 on 3.0

[cyan ravine]

Hardly a drop

Me too and 4.0

Like, 0.5% increase

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[cyan ravine]

It's nothing

[analog pulsar]

Wait I had a weaker cpu

That's probs why

[cyan ravine]

You wouldn't notice it blind

So it's not a problem

[analog pulsar]

https://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P200A.html this looked cool

Power supply would fit

But idk how much case is

But 15 inch case

[cyan ravine]

P200a is very nice

[analog pulsar]

It's not showing up on pcpartpicker.com

Only G360A

And up

[cyan ravine]

I know someone with a p200a build, it's very nice

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vshFf7/phanteks-eclipse-p200a-drgb-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec200atg_dbk01

[analog pulsar]

Okay let's do math here
If I keep aio and just buy new mobo and case how much is that

The focus 2 caae3

[cyan ravine]

Why buy new mobo for focus 2?

Oh wait sorry

[analog pulsar]

Yea

[cyan ravine]

I keep forgetting

[analog pulsar]

Hey like me

[cyan ravine]

Focus 2 route is def cheapest

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

P200A or o11 mini air are about the same but more than focus 2

[analog pulsar]

Do you know anyone with focus 2 that have taken the feet off

[cyan ravine]

I do not

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[cyan ravine]

O11 mini non-air is by far the most expensive

[analog pulsar]

Oh

Even with free case

[cyan ravine]

Cos the sfx psu is ew price

[analog pulsar]

Oh thats right

[cyan ravine]

If you traded for mini air that would be as good as focus 2

[analog pulsar]

Yea but idk if any biters

[cyan ravine]

Or heck cheaper cos you'd be using itx mobo?

Instead of atx

[analog pulsar]

People that have case and or selling rn far away

[analog pulsar]

Huh

[cyan ravine]

Which atx mobo did you decide on again?

[analog pulsar]

this is case plus AIO plus mobo

[mossy venture]

Check p200a non rgb one

Normally is like $50-60

[analog pulsar]

but i want RGB

[mossy venture]

Ah

Nvm then

[cyan ravine]

Rgb is 90

[analog pulsar]

and focus at $60 is RGB

[cyan ravine]

It's alright

So it works out about the same for p200a as o11 mini air

[analog pulsar]

This is case plus AIO

[cyan ravine]

But p200a comes with rgb fans - remember that

[analog pulsar]

So does focus

[cyan ravine]

Indood

Anyway I gotta go, you've got some options to think about

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[cyan ravine]

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine this is Focus 2 Route
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dc8XNc $536.39
P200A Route $631.78
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vp7ZDq
O11 mini air Route $661.46 if ree case then $536.39
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LyGHKp

Bruh we have a tie

[cyan ravine]

I did say this

Lol

[analog pulsar]

Yea

Now I have some thinking to do

Is usb controller smaller on ITX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DKVVtirNM8

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Gigabyte_Z690I_AORUS_ULTRA_LITE_vs_Gigabyte_B660_AORUS_Master_vs_MSI_MAG_B660_TOMAHAWK_WIFI_DDR4_vs_MSI_PRO_Z690-A_WIFI/BHitems/1707081-REG_1681731-REG_1687327-REG_1668942-REG

So the only think is fan connectors at this point

If we go with the air I'll have to get fan splitters or hub

this is the B660

while Z690I

[drowsy zodiac]

how is the western blue 500 nvme

[proper ether]

Why? the i9 is cheaper

the i9 is 100 dollars cheaper

[hallow glen]

whats the gpu with them?

[proper ether]

im jus looking at alienware laptops

the m15 R7 and the x14

Which models better for the price?

[analog pulsar]

3070 ti is nice

[cyan ravine]

Which gpu is with which cpu

12700H performs basically the same as a 12900H but just doesn't throttle as much so in one sense it's better

Also we won't know what's better value without any prices btw

[proper ether]

oh

i9 goes with 3070 ti 8gb

and i7 goes with 3080ti 16gb

[cyan ravine]

Well that's why the i9 is cheaper

The gpu is much better with the i7

For basically the same cpu anyway

[proper ether]

oh

ok thanks

[cyan ravine]

Also fwiw we don't normally recommend alienware around here

[proper ether]

why

[cyan ravine]

You can find the same specs and quality for cheaper from brands like asus, msi, gigabyte, clevo etc

[proper ether]

oh

alienware looks nice

[cyan ravine]

You buy dell and alienware monitors, those tend to be good

The rest is? Meh

[proper ether]

oh

[cyan ravine]

Especially the alienware desktops, don't ever buy one of those

[proper ether]

are u able to link me some for around 2k

[cyan ravine]

2K you could get something serious like a strix scar

[proper ether]

well 2k is the high end of the budget

lol

is the strix scar good

they have ryzen

ttyl im off to bed

[cyan ravine]

Lol ok

[analog pulsar]

Idk about price but from my experience alienware was fine for temp and stuff but battery life sucked also I don't remember the x15 R2 or what it is bc the ports are sucky and are not straight

[cyan ravine]

Price is meh

Not razer bad but never in the tech deals so

[analog pulsar]

X17 R2 i think is fine

X15 R2 WTF IS THAT SD CARD SLOT DOING

[cyan ravine]

Alienware laptops aren't the worst, it's just that we never suggest them here

[analog pulsar]

I think they fine

[cyan ravine]

If there's one thing dell can make it's a laptop but I wouldn't pay extra for it

[analog pulsar]

Lol

Alienware has full GPU power which is nice

[tawny fiber]

if you have a o11 i would just keep it

[analog pulsar]

No it's to big like I said

[proper ether]

Oh

[drowsy zodiac]

@cyan ravine

yes or no

[cyan ravine]

Idk what the price is

[drowsy zodiac]

68 w taxes (cad)

[cyan ravine]

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00119355

?

[drowsy zodiac]

that’s new lol i never saw that price

[cyan ravine]

Then do that one

[drowsy zodiac]

lemme see if shipping costs

not worth it will cost 73$ from that site

cheaper from newegg

unless you can find me a better deal lol i hope this one i want goes back down to like 40$ or so

it went up to like 70 plus 30$ shipping

[cyan ravine]

Try mp33 pro on amazon

Supposed to be 55

[drowsy zodiac]

one sec

[drowsy zodiac]

cant find it for that price

it was the 512gb mp33 i was looking at that was 40$

[cyan ravine]

Mp33 for $40 is far better

[drowsy zodiac]

ima order the mobo and cpu tmrw then see if maybe i wake up n there’s a good deal if not i can wait saturday n sunday

[drowsy zodiac]

went up to 60$+30 shipping

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PDtKHx/team-mp33-pro-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpd512g0c101

[drowsy zodiac]

shipping:(

[cyan ravine]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/FYM48d/solidigm-p41-plus-500-gb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu512gzx1

[drowsy zodiac]

ima just wait it out and see cuz you never know

same issue shipping w that one

[cyan ravine]

The prices will only keep rising from what info is in front of me

[drowsy zodiac]

good websites are newegg and canada computers there’s no shipping

so it doesn’t cost a lot more

[drowsy zodiac]

why’s that

[cyan ravine]

Well sn 570 is the cheapest then * shrug *

[cyan ravine]

Cos I don't live in Canada I don't see cheaper on pcpp

[drowsy zodiac]

is it good??

[cyan ravine]

It's good

[drowsy zodiac]

okok

[cyan ravine]

I mean considering the circumstances

[drowsy zodiac]

what do you think give it a day or two or pull the trigger on that one?

[cyan ravine]

Idk if the sales will be any better or worse tomorrow 😅

[drowsy zodiac]

they always change😂

[cyan ravine]

Mhm and they don't tell anyone

Lol

[still roost]

Anxiety#7855 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[drowsy zodiac]

oh

well guess if i gotta spend the extra money i will

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine how much would a fan spliter be

[cyan ravine]

6$

[analog pulsar]

Okay

why 280mm rad only but 3x120mm fans

[worn wave]

Because a 360mm radiator is larger than 3x120mm fans.

[analog pulsar]

Oh ig it is

[dim forge]

anyone knows a good itx b550

[analog pulsar]

@cyan ravine https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fractal-design-ridge did you see this new case lol

Like what

Where gpu go

[tawny fiber]

Exchange 2070super + add 350$ for a 3090ti

How does that sound like?

[vague oracle]

I’d do it but it seems a little too good

[strong raft]

3090 ti for under $650 & not have to deal w/ selling the 20 series, somewhat fishy indeed if not a face 2 face setup to check things out.

[tranquil tree]

Full current setup, not where I want it to be but /shrug

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dnB7H2

[desert gulch]

an xt or non xt?

[tranquil tree]

My pc is an xt

I Wana go to a 67 or 6800xt

[fossil cedar]

Ah it was 50$ last night when i sent the list

[fossil cedar]

This would work too, motherboard also went up in price :(
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Y7tHKp

[drowsy zodiac]

does this come with wifi ??

cuz i can do that

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

it says AC right on the name

[drowsy zodiac]

my bad i didn’t know what ac meant

alright i ordered everything

[analog hearth]

ac is basically the version of WiFi it’ll support (yes, that means it supports WiFi). 802.11ac means you’ll be able to use 2.4GHz as well as 5GHz WiFi bandwidths

for perspective, ax (or WiFi 6) is just starting to become relevant and it’s the successor to ac

[drowsy zodiac]

ohhh

okk

[drowsy zodiac]

shoutout to everyone helping me in the past 24 hours!

[fossil cedar]

No probs

[little osprey]

Anyone know a good pc build thatll run modern warfare 2 with pretty high frames. I already have a pc thats a pre built that I bought 4 years ago which consists of a GTX 1660 ti, Intel i5 processor, with 16 gb of ram

Not sure about the other specs of my pc

[mossy venture]

How much do you want to spend?

And do you want to build yourself, or pre built?

[little osprey]

My budget is around 2000 dollars

I can try to build all of it

[mossy venture]

Alr, one second

Do you already have a 1440p monitor?

And do you care about amd or nvidia for gpu?

[little osprey]

Yep

Ive only ever used nvidia but down to try new stuff

[fossil cedar]

And what i5 do you have?

Could keep a decent amount of the pc

[little osprey]

Ill have to see rq

[fossil cedar]

Oh it's prebuilt won't be able to carry it forward anyway

[mossy venture]

Oh also, do you care about looks?

Want rgb and such?

[little osprey]

Ehh not too much honestly

[mossy venture]

Kk cool

Last question, size

[little osprey]

Wym like the case

[mossy venture]

Yeah

Do you want the case big, medium, or small

[little osprey]

Ig pretty big

[mossy venture]

Kk

Few min

[little osprey]

Would it cost more for the looks and the rgb lighting?

[mossy venture]

Smthn like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GjdfjZ

[mossy venture]

The case had rgb anyways since it's just overall a great case

Can add some more without increasing cost too much

[little osprey]

Thank you so much, are the i5 processors outdated?

Also, Ill only need simple tools to build this right, Nothing too hectic?

[desert gulch]

Just a Phillips head screwdriver basically

[little osprey]

And another thing, how many frames you think ill get with this pc on mw2

But, ill be set for a few years with this set up?

[obsidian wigeon]

The 13600K basically performs like 13900K in games

So no, it's very far from outdated since it's also latest gen from Intel :p

Beats any Ryzen offerings too

[little osprey]

Oh sick then!

[mossy venture]

This pc will be good for easily 5 years

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[little osprey]

How many frames will I get with this build I just want it to run smooth yk

[obsidian wigeon]

the game is kinda a mess

but you can expect 100+

[mossy venture]

Easily

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

My 3060 ti and 3600 get over 120 fps constant in cold war

[fossil cedar]

@little osprey id do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F4rLnt

[mossy venture]

That build is plenty better than my pc

[obsidian wigeon]

imo i would try to go for ddr5 but eh

no issues

[mossy venture]

Imo the 13700kf is just spending extra for the name unless you're getting a 7900xtx/4080/4090

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

Considering the 12400f doesn't limit the 3080 at 1440p the 13600k is already overkill

[fossil cedar]

Fair enough

[mossy venture]

Could definitely get the aio though, and the mobo is good if they don't need wifi

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hNKMgb

This then

[fossil cedar]

Has wifi too

[little osprey]

thank you guys so much for the help

so I should go with the build that you made @mossy venture or this one?

that Pato sent

[obsidian wigeon]

Go with Pato's

[little osprey]

ok, but with his itll be more powerful, or what they say "more bang for my buck"

[obsidian wigeon]

it's basically more bang for buck

got wifi just in case you want it

[paper summit]

Pato atpo opat apto

[mossy venture]

Personally I'd get the 13600k with the rest of patos list

Oh

[little osprey]

but when I clicked the link it says something about the compatibility

[mossy venture]

He sent an updated list

Oh yeah

That's a ddr5 mobo

[little osprey]

wym

[mossy venture]

With ddr4 ram

13th gen supports two types of ram

[obsidian wigeon]

ram doesn't fit the mobo pato picked

[mossy venture]

It has two kinds of mobos, ddr4 and ddr5

Thst motherboard is a ddr5 mobo, but he put ddr4 in the list

Prolly didn't realize it's a d5 mobo

[little osprey]

ohh so what do I do?

[mossy venture]

Could just switch the mobo to the one in my list if you'd like, or wait for pato to come back to recc one

I'm not too familiar with z790s so his recommendation would probably be better

[little osprey]

ok, you guys are literally awesome

ok, I can wait for him to come back

[mossy venture]

Oh just something to note bc it's your first build

When you put the cooler on, make sure you tighten the screws a little bit at a time and in an x pattern

I just did my first build and forgot to do thst

Cpu is hitting 100c in multi core loads, which is not good

[little osprey]

oh jeez ok, I will save that

I just hope I dont break anything lol

[mossy venture]

To me building was certainly daunting, but just remember to take it slow and you'll be fine. There's plenty of guides on YouTube as well

I got mine done in about 4 hours, but I made some stupid mistakes

I had to undo like 20min of progress bc I forgot to put something in lmao

[little osprey]

oh jeez lmaoo I bet that was aggravating

[mossy venture]

Just a bit, luckily I had an extra set of hands so a few things were easier than doing them by myself

[little osprey]

truee that honestly lol

[proper ether]

Is the MacBook Pro good for gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

no

[proper ether]

How about for other stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah they do great

[frank stirrup]

yes my brain massive

[mossy venture]

Bro real pato I'm a big fan

Can I have an autograph

[merry spindle]

Does the ASUS TUF Gaming GT301 come with fans? If so how many?

[proper ether]

Can someone recommend me a gaming laptop for 1500 to 2000

[mossy venture]

I believe 2?

[merry spindle]

Do you happen to know their size?

I'm guessing from images it's one positioned at the back and I guess one at the front?

[mossy venture]

If you check a site thst has it listed it should say

[merry spindle]

Oh I'm stupid, it says so on the site

[mossy venture]

Nah you're good

[merry spindle]

It says on the website for the product that it has 1 fan on the rear and 3 fans on the front. I plan on getting an AIO that comes with 3 120mm fans, and I can move the front fans to the top, but the top only has space for 2 fans. What should I do with the third?

[mossy venture]

Might be space for a side intake, otherwise just keep it as a spare

[merry spindle]

That sounds reasonable

[fossil cedar]

@little osprey sorry i must have been looking at both types of boards I'd do this, ddr5 is a nicer choice with 13th gen anyway
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kQhZDq
Or this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8XWC6

You can get a slightly cheaper board with bios flashback but not that many great ddr4 options with WiFi atm

[jagged ember]

If you only play the 5 games that mac's support I guess maybe

[merry spindle]

Dumb question, but can I use a motherboard's included wifi antenna for bluetooth?

[fossil cedar]

motherboards with wifi include bluetooth so yes

[merry spindle]

thanks

[analog pulsar]

Does z690I have OCing ability

[proper ether]

is strix scar good

[fossil cedar]

All z690s do

[fossil cedar]

Basically all strix products are fine but incredibly overpriced

[analog pulsar]

Hm

[worn wave]

Every single Z chipset motherboard allows for overclocking K series SKUs.

[analog pulsar]

Well just with the mobo being small I just wasn't sure

[tranquil tree]

You looking at the z690i aorus?

[ornate solstice]

can someone upgrade my build

i got a
5700xt gaming x gpu
r7 3700x
cougar mesh case
16gb ram
and idk the psu

oh and an asrock b550m pro 4 mobo

[fossil cedar]

budget?

and check pus

psu*

[ornate solstice]

antec neo 600w 80+ gold

and no budget

[merry spindle]

What kind of wattage should I consider on a R7 5800X3D with an RX6900XT?

When looking for a PSU

[earnest olive]

would recommend at least a quality 750W

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16817153397

[merry spindle]

Unfortunately, as I'm living in canada, this is neither on sale and has a steep shipping cost

[earnest olive]

ah

https://isanek.com/shop/product/55220333/1

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00113689 a slightly more expensive 850W option

750W is plenty for your current build, 850W might give you a bit more upgrade headroom down the line

price difference is low enough that either choice is valid, so your choice

[merry spindle]

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX68054

I think I'll go with this one, it's platinum cert

[earnest olive]

sure, just make sure it fits in your case

i'm hesitant to recommend such a psu without knowing the case

if you look at it it's significantly larger than average psu of this wattage

[merry spindle]

ASUS TUF GT301

I totally didn't consider the physical size

[earnest olive]

yeah, the HX750 exceeds the maximum psu length of this case by quite a bit

HX750: 180mm
case support: 160mm
strix 750: 160mm

the difference between gold/plat is nothing too crazy though

so it's not a major loss

[merry spindle]

I'll go with the thermaltake 850 then. It's within driving distance

And it should fit the case

[earnest olive]

indeed, it's also 160mm

[mossy venture]

Hey, you busy

?

Having temp issued with the 13600k, I redid my mount and im 99% sure I did it right this time, and using enough thermal paste

But I'm still getting 100c in r23 multi core instantly

[earnest olive]

at what wattage

[mossy venture]

whatever stock is, one sec let me check

idle temps and single core load temps are both normal which is why im so confused

actually idek where to check wattage, bios>

voltage is 1.472 for vcore

its sitting at 99.5c in r23 for the whole bench, assuming bc of thermal throttling

i did take the fans off the aio and put them back on the other way, not sure if that would cause it to be messed up

[mossy venture]

at this point i just think its 13th gens contact

[little osprey]

Thanks, I'm really happy with this build and it runs my games with ease

[cyan ravine]

Under load?

[mossy venture]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Ok you should set a manual voltage then

You shouldn't exceed like 1.32

Voltage scales different to alder afaik

[mossy venture]

ah

[cyan ravine]

Over 1.32 is degradation

[mossy venture]

oh fun

[cyan ravine]

Or at least for now, assume that

How much power were you pulling?

[mossy venture]

it's 1.376 according to hwinfo64 while gaming

[cyan ravine]

1.37 I wouldn't be worried about if temps are fine

How much power were you pulling in the synthetic?

[mossy venture]

idk where to check wattage im just using hwinfo64 rn

[cyan ravine]

If it's in excess of like, 220W you're actually fine and just need a contact frame to go further

It's under cpu voltages hold on

Raptor has a tendency to just shoot to max temps even at stock so you're probably fine

Ok under CPU [#0]: Intel Core i5-13600K: Enhanced

It's a whole section

Under that you'll have cpu package temp

As well as a ton of voltages

One of those is CPU package power

Let's say you're pulling 240W and you're peaking 100C, you're absolutely fine

But I'd just set a manual voltage to keep that number down

Or adaptive

[mossy venture]

i can't find this

[cyan ravine]

That's the name of the section

Need a minute

Like this

[mossy venture]

this is what im looking at

[cyan ravine]

Further down

Much further down

It has a little lightning icon next to it

[mossy venture]

im like 50% sure mine doesn't show it

ima try updating it

[cyan ravine]

Interesting

I can't seem to get my 13th gen system to show it tho as it has an overcurrent error

[mossy venture]

odd

[cyan ravine]

I can't quite get it to boot yet

Otherwise I'd check that

[mossy venture]

this is weird

im confused

there's no sensors area

[cyan ravine]

You need to boot sensors only at startup

Lol

[mossy venture]

no like

now its there

[earnest olive]

jesus 1.472v?

[cyan ravine]

[mossy venture]

ohh wait

[earnest olive]

what board was overvolting it by that much?

[mossy venture]

z690a pro

[earnest olive]

huh

[cyan ravine]

Yeah ikr

[earnest olive]

my z690-a pro definitely did not overvolt my 13700K like that

that's tdp

not actual power draw

[mossy venture]

ye

[cyan ravine]

Restart hwinfo64 and select sensors only

[mossy venture]

alr

im here

[cyan ravine]

On sensors?

[cyan ravine]

Ok keep scrolling down

[cyan ravine]

Bingo

[cyan ravine]

Yup yup

[mossy venture]

alr so which should i watch when i start the bench?

[cyan ravine]

CPU package power and core VIDs

Current section not maximum not minimum

[earnest olive]

I mean max is useful too

[cyan ravine]

And the vid?

[earnest olive]

262 watts

yeah, 100c is reasonable

[cyan ravine]

Yes but what voltage

[earnest olive]

look at vcore not vid

[mossy venture]

i don't see core vids, one sec

[cyan ravine]

This

[earnest olive]

the board has vcore reporting

[mossy venture]

the whole thing

ah one sec

[earnest olive]

wrong place

[cyan ravine]

Ok you're fine

Stop the test

[mossy venture]

alr did

[cyan ravine]

Oh

[earnest olive]

my board dropped as low as 1.28 vcore at stock

[cyan ravine]

Well won't know what voltage mid test it'd have been

[earnest olive]

vid as high as 1.43

[mossy venture]

the max

third one

[cyan ravine]

Nope

[mossy venture]

ah

[cyan ravine]

It drops

[mossy venture]

ok one sec

[cyan ravine]

Not rises

Ok so not 1.47

[cyan ravine]

Stop

[mossy venture]

after 20 seconds

[earnest olive]

look at vcore not vid

[cyan ravine]

Alr let's scoll to vcore

[mossy venture]

either im blind or vcore isn't here

[earnest olive]

it's lower

also, light mode user

[mossy venture]

found it

[earnest olive]

[mossy venture]

lol i've used hwinfo64 like 4 times so never bothered to change it

that's not mid test tho

[cyan ravine]

Yup def stop test

Oh

[earnest olive]

bruh

[cyan ravine]

Run again

[earnest olive]

we are asking for mid test results only

[mossy venture]

sorry forgot i stopped it till i said that lol

[earnest olive]

jesus

[cyan ravine]

Omg

Stoooppp

[earnest olive]

what is your board doing

[cyan ravine]

Ok you def need to set a manual or adaptive vcore

[earnest olive]

1.5V under load 💀

[cyan ravine]

1.32V

[mossy venture]

im assuming that voltage is murdering the cpu?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[earnest olive]

I run 1.32V for 5.6ghz all core

[cyan ravine]

That voltage has definitely seen degradation on other chips

[mossy venture]

alright, 1.32 for vcore?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[earnest olive]

1.4 adaptive with LLC 4

[mossy venture]

kk, ill figure out how to set that in bios

[cyan ravine]

Also sips vcore and vid were barely any different lol

[earnest olive]

that's just what I use though

you don't need to copy it

[cyan ravine]

Ssg techie

[earnest olive]

especially if you are using stock speeds

[cyan ravine]

Making poor bacca kill his cpu more

[earnest olive]

vcore and vids are extremely different on my same model board so

🙂

[cyan ravine]

Ur cpu is weird

[mossy venture]

I'm unfamiliar with msi bios, where should I go?

[earnest olive]

it will say 1.43 vid while actually running at 1.28 vcore

oc

[cyan ravine]

F7

Then oc yeah

[mossy venture]

Where's oc at

[cyan ravine]

Left middle big button

[earnest olive]

read the buttons there aren't that many of them

[mossy venture]

Oh f7

Yeah mv

[cyan ravine]

All g

[mossy venture]

Thought you were saying f7 to get into bios

[cyan ravine]

Then scroll down to cpu vcore

[earnest olive]

scroll

not using arrow keys in bios

[cyan ravine]

You can scroll with a mouse

[earnest olive]

removing your techie immediately

[cyan ravine]

Wow primitive

You've never scrolled

Sadge

[earnest olive]

arrow keys are better

[mossy venture]

Don't see vcore, cpu core voltage?

[earnest olive]

yes

[cyan ravine]

Regular scroll enjoyer

[mossy venture]

Anything else I should do while here?

[cyan ravine]

Set it to adaptive just above it

The setting right above it I forgot the name

[mossy venture]

Alr

[earnest olive]

set digitall power LLC 4

[cyan ravine]

Ye llc 4 or llc 5

That's under loadline config

It'll run the cpu cooler (a bit more vdroop)

[mossy venture]

Llc thing I'm not seeing

[cyan ravine]

Hold on ima comin

[cyan ravine]

Top

[ornate solstice]

So what’s the best way to upgrade my pc

Asrock b550m pro4 mobo
Rx5700xt gaming x gpu
R7 3700x cpu
antec neo 600w 80+ gold psu

[mossy venture]

Mode 4?

[fossil cedar]

Budget?

[ornate solstice]

don’t really have one

i just want to upgrade rather than build a new one yk?

[mossy venture]

If you didn't have a budget you'd buy a 13900k and 4090 and be done with it

[fossil cedar]

You better get one because no budget could be like 3k

[cyan ravine]

Ye mode 4 or 5

Then save and exit

So f10

[mossy venture]

Alr those three are all set

[cyan ravine]

Ok you should be good now

[ornate solstice]

fair umm then like 1k budget

[cyan ravine]

Try synthetics again and report vid, vcore, package power

[mossy venture]

Pc immediately turned all the way off and then back on

[cyan ravine]

Yup

It'll do that for llc

[mossy venture]

Now taking a while to get to windows as well

[fossil cedar]

What cpu cooler do you have?

[ornate solstice]

the stock cooler

[fossil cedar]

Ah okay

[ornate solstice]

the wraith prism i think is what it’s called

[fossil cedar]

@ornate solstice what case you have ?

[ornate solstice]

the cougar mx330

[mossy venture]

YOOO

pog

74c under multi core load now

ty all three of you

[weary galleon]

Short answer: Gpu upgrade

[ornate solstice]

which gpu?

[fossil cedar]

@ornate solstice id do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BtjKRv

[weary galleon]

I was gonna say 3080 or 6800xt

[fossil cedar]

What fixed it?

[weary galleon]

600w PSU might be tight

[mossy venture]

vcore voltage

[fossil cedar]

Hence the 850w

[mossy venture]

it was getting 265w and almost 1.5v from stock

[fossil cedar]

Oof wtf

[weary galleon]

Ah just saw your link is more than just gpu

[ornate solstice]

yeah i like it thank you @fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

No probs

[earnest olive]

guess who just ran cinebench r23 on a school computer

[fossil cedar]

poggg

[cyan ravine]

This freaking usb over current error

I have no usb plugged in

One board comes back from the dead another dies???

Reeeeeeeee

[potent portal]

That's possibly a short circuit on two pins in one of the USB ports. Take an air can to them all and check physically for debris and broken pins.

[cyan ravine]

You mean internal or external

Internal wouldn't be possible cos I was never near any of those swapping over cpu and ram

Hmm

So it wouldn't be the cpu?? I've already tested the ram and it works fine

[empty pollen]

thoughts on this combo? https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4526997

[cyan ravine]

Decent price

I think micro center has that i7 combo tho for 300

[empty pollen]

found one better

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4526913

[cyan ravine]

That combo's a bit better yeah

@potent portal so it's definitely not the cpu?

[empty pollen]

ill have that bookmarked in case a ddr5 variant dont get a discount on monday

so excited to get my effin pc at last

if a ddr5+cpu combo lands pretty cheap next week then ill pm you felix for some nasty things

30 bucks more for the wifi version... not... a... chance

[cyan ravine]

Fal'Cie SOS

[analog pulsar]

Bruh

[cyan ravine]

Ah

One of these things is not like the other

[analog pulsar]

Man this Looks so scary

It's so dark haha like movies

[cyan ravine]

One of these things just doesn't belong

How the heck do I fix that

[analog pulsar]

What's wrong why doesn't it belong

[viral ore]

did the metal tab get shoved into the port?

[cyan ravine]

Bend them back with a needle?

[analog pulsar]

Also wtf is the point for 2x 2.5G ports

[cyan ravine]

Yeah looks like it

Ima try with a needle it's disconnected

[uneven sleet]

How do I check if my graphics card is installed properly?

Also my case fans light up but do not spins does anyone know how I fix that ?

[proper ether]

why are all of asus's rog strix not in stock

[empty pollen]

rog strix is a series

you need to spsecify the hardware

[proper ether]

ok

is there any retailers selling rog strix

I wanna compare models

And is rog strip recommended

[stoic island]

If you can screw it into the bracket, it's probably installed correctly, if it's in the slot

[stoic island]

There are a lot of strix, are you looking at a strix case? Strix PSU? Strix motherboard? Strix SSD? Strix cooler?

[empty pollen]

strix is a whole family of products

cases, psus, mobos, gpus, brackets, cables.... the list go on

....mouse, mousepads, keyboards.....

[cyan ravine]

Laptops gpu holders headphones

[empty pollen]

monitors

[proper ether]

A strip laptop

Strix

[empty pollen]

which one in particular

[cyan ravine]

Oh is this the same person from yesterday

[empty pollen]

there are good ones, there are bad ones

[proper ether]

hiii

[cyan ravine]

@proper ether have a look at this one
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-g15-advantage-edition-15-6-qhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-5980hx-16gb-memory-radeonrx-6800m-512gb-ssd/6486485.p

[proper ether]

That’s not a scar

But ok

[cyan ravine]

It's very cheap for basically 3080 laptop performance

[proper ether]

I want one to use for like the next 5 years

[cyan ravine]

The 5980HX will go like stink too

It'll be good for a while tbh

You can't future proof yourself ever, in the tech industry but this is a strong card for 1.1K

Basically top of the line in both departments for a good price

And it's a g15 which will be good

[proper ether]

Why doesn’t Best Buy put the Intel core models

Or is there only like one model

It’s just listed as i9 or i7

[empty pollen]

ryzen are as good as intel ones pal

sometimes even better

[proper ether]

Um

[cyan ravine]

Once you go beyond like, i5 or R5 you generally have enough cpu horsepower for games

For laptops

[empty pollen]

dont be that guy who says "i only buy nvidia just.... because"

[cyan ravine]

Yeah for laptops you can go either team and you'll have basically the same experience

[proper ether]

Is there a huge differnece between 3060 3070 and 3080

[cyan ravine]

Nope