building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

ethereum merge

miners in a race to the bottom to get out

[potent portal]

You'll see some listings of like 30 identical GPUs

[earnest olive]

i sold a pc with a 3070 for $2000 last year

now you can build one with $700 lol

[brittle tinsel]

doesnt mining harm gpus some how? I prebuilt company my brother got his pc from told us on the phone when they sent us the wrong gpu that they didnt have what he ordered and if he wanted what he ordered he would have to pay extra as they have to find one that hasnt been used for mining or pay to repair a mining gpu.
we threatened lawyers and they gave us the proper gpu 2 day shipping. bunch of cons.

[potent portal]

Not if it's done right

Or even half right

[brittle tinsel]

lyte technology

was the company

[analog pulsar]

TBH i think resize bar gave me more FPS in my game

[earnest olive]

when done correctly, mining is healthier for the card than gaming. in general, miners that had large enough ops to run 30 card farms know enough to do it correctly

[potent portal]

Re-bar can help in some games yeah

[earnest olive]

but if it bothers you or you want the peace of mind just pay $200 extra for new

he can afford it anyways

[analog pulsar]

does it depend if the game is using all vram or not?

[potent portal]

It's better to leave it on now, does more good than harm with latest bios updates

[earnest olive]

24gb 3090 says no

[potent portal]

Honestly it's pretty random as far as I can tell, some games like it others don't

It's like 3% across the board

Outlier games can be like 6%

[analog pulsar]

oh

my games taking like all vram rn

lol

it depends in my game but im hitting my max HZ some times

[desert nebula]

So what psu would be good for the 3600 and 1660 ti?

[cyan ravine]

sounding like a tuf bronze moment

[potent portal]

A 450W would work for those https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MTZ96RU
But a 650W is good for leaving room to upgrade later, and this one has RGB if you care https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-argb-sf-650f14rg-650w/p/1HU-024C-00003

[tawny fiber]

Forza seems to be one of the biggest gains

[olive cypress]

@celest horizon 5950x cinebench score?

[limber oyster]

Should I get a Radeon 6600 or a Intel arc 770?

[cyan ravine]

ooo

I REALLY wanna say arc but

6600 would be a lot less painful

6600's are really nice for the money

[rich void]

Last I heard Arc was plagued with issues, so not a great option if you want something that's going to more or less work as expected

[olive cypress]

Arc works well with dx12 games mostly, the rest is not optimized

[limber oyster]

Gotchya

[desert nebula]

I managed to get the price of the 1660ti from 120 to 100

[fossil cedar]

Def 6600 or 6600xt/6650xt

A770 is a bit better perf wise.... When it works

[analog pulsar]

Tbh

I might just buy 3090

I saw this and if it's true

4080 = 3090 givertake some less

I don't got much money to spend on gpus so a 3090 for $600 sounds nice

Plus I had 3090 before was good for what I used it for

[rich void]

I'd wait in third party benchmarks before making too many assumptions about 40-series performance

[leaden mauve]

his r20 score is 15380 i think

[rain bloom]

Thoughts? Trying to build about a 1000 pound streaming rig

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/n6cBY9

[frigid night]

Dang I tried. This is what I came up with.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YNkqXy

slightly over budget yeh 😦

[rain bloom]

Thank you @mossy venture @frigid night! I’m pitching the build to my friend now, she doesn’t stream anything particularly demanding so this should be perfect

[frigid night]

I'd personally go with Bacca's list. It's going to be better price to performance ratio.

[frigid night]

start liftin bro

Get BUFF

[lucid breach]

Thank you @frigid night @elfin flame Got the fans and extensions installed

[frigid night]

They showed up that quick?

[lucid breach]

next day shipping

[frigid night]

lucky. I have to wait 4-6 days for mine if I'm lucky.

[lucid breach]

amazon is wild with it lol

i had a buddy that lived like 2 miles from one, was able to get same day if he order in the morning

[frigid night]

I live smack dab in the middle of 2 fulfillment centers.. both are 4 hours away from me north/south. Most the time the items come from the south.. through my town.. to the one in the north.. then back down to my town to be delivered. It's ridiculous.

It takes them 2-3 days to even get it shiped

right, but it literally passes through my town to go to the place north of me. Just to come back down to my town to be delivered.

I hate it, but it's still cheaper/faster than ordering on most other sites.

I haven't paid for prime since I was 16. I somehow still have it.. I'm 29. lol

I thought about this. Someone was saying they has everything.

Haven't really checked it out.

[weary galleon]

By everything they might mean services? Shipping + music + movies + gaming

[frigid night]

They said that amazon video had pretty much everything out there. It was in passing so I didn't really ask to much like if they had netflix/hbo/disney+ stuff on it.

[weary galleon]

Yeah, they dont

There's a pretty good selection though, it's not like an afterthought

[frigid night]

ooooo

they have The Wheel of Time! Those were great books! Albeit big long books

[high yew]

12400 or 5800x for a gaming pc? paired with a 3070

[weary galleon]

Probably 12400

iirc the 5800x isn't much better for gaming than a 5600

Unless you mean 5800x3d

[fossil cedar]

Real question should be 5600 or 12400 or 12600k/13600k tbh

[cold jewel]

what would be the best cpu, motherboard, and ram paired with a gtx 3080ti im trying to build a pc under $2,000

[fossil cedar]

You already got anything? What's your total pc budget and what country and what use for the pc?

[cold jewel]

united states, gaming, and no parts currently

i've been debating between a 13700k or 12700k

[earnest olive]

13600K is your answer

and i say that as a 13700K owner

[cold jewel]

ooh kk

what motherboard / memory would you recommend?

[cyan ravine]

definitely go 13th gen at this point if you're considering high end intel

[earnest olive]

at that budget you can go ddr5

[cold jewel]

ive been looking at the MSI PRO Z690-A ATX

[earnest olive]

good board

i have the ddr4 version

[cold jewel]

would you say theirs a big difference between ddr4 & 5?

[earnest olive]

not at the moment, will grow later on

[cold jewel]

ah

any memory sticks that you recommend to pair with the i5-13600k with z690-a

[earnest olive]

are those the only 3 parts you're missing?

[cold jewel]

nope still need the case, ssd, and gpu

and cooler ofc

[earnest olive]

what color case pref

[cold jewel]

i think im going to go with the lian li pc-o11 atx full tower

in terms of case

any other recommendations?

[earnest olive]

as an o11 owner, i wouldn't

[cold jewel]

anything around that same value / cheaper?

[cyan ravine]

How about you go O11 air mini and save a buck for mostly the same thing

[earnest olive]

well if you really like the fishtank aesthetic (i do), you can consider the hyte y60 as a competitor too

[cyan ravine]

95 vs 160

[earnest olive]

but yeah

if you don't care that much about that look

you can just get a g360a or whatever

[cold jewel]

hmm okay

[earnest olive]

o11 is a fine case

just not really worth it unless you specifically love that aesthetic

[cold jewel]

will it matter much between midtower / full tower?

[earnest olive]

also some concerns for future gpu compatibility

my 3090 barely fits in my o11

[cold jewel]

oh? isn't it huge & open?

[cyan ravine]

nope

[earnest olive]

then again, the y60 has even worse concerns in that regard

[cyan ravine]

< Also owns o11

[earnest olive]

the case itself is huge, but the dual chamber design makes it so that the room for the graphics card is not that huge

[cyan ravine]

O11 mini air is mostly the same too but slightly shorter for gpu

[cold jewel]

yikes okay

[earnest olive]

to be clear

gpu length is not the problem

gpu WIDTH is the problem

[cold jewel]

ohh gotcha

[earnest olive]

i have to shove the side glass pretty hard against the power cables to get it to close

[cold jewel]

do you think the g360a would be a better option?

[earnest olive]

well g360a is infinitely better value

it's just

if you're willing to pay for the o11 look or not

when i got into pcs i always wanted a display case looking pc, so the o11 was the epitome of that at least until the hyte y60 came out

[cyan ravine]

g360a will be better or O11 mini air is basically the same price if you reeeaaallllyyy want the look

[earnest olive]

99.9999% of users don't need any case more expensive than a g360a

[cold jewel]

i don't mind not having the look

in terms of cpu cooler and or aio what would you recommend for the i5-13600k? i've been looking at the nh-d15 but im not sure if i'll have the clearance

[earnest olive]

of course there are the niches like large custom water loops, needing 20 hard drives because you need your NAS inside your main system for some reason, needing 5 disk drives so you can digitize the library of congress in your free time, dual system single case setups, being able to fit a lifesize statue of your cat on your psu shroud, etc

i'll just make you a list

[cold jewel]

ooh kk thanks :D

[cyan ravine]

You'll really want a water cooler for 13600k

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ThFHLs quick example

[cyan ravine]

gonna be limited on air

[earnest olive]

leaves some budget headroom to upgrade aesthetics or storage

or get slightly nicer ram though i wouldn't really recommend this

or bump power supply to 850

or some combination of above

[cold jewel]

ooh okay i was also looking at that same cooler

[cyan ravine]

that ram is really ew lol

even for d5 there's better

[cold jewel]

so its not a huge issue if i go over a little bit

[earnest olive]

what's a better balance of price/perf at xmp?

[cold jewel]

i was looking at the corsair hx1000 plat is it really worth buying that?

[earnest olive]

i'm not gonna recommend an a-die kit

[cyan ravine]

kingston

[earnest olive]

wasteful

[cold jewel]

kk

[cyan ravine]

there's also a viper kit I'm tryna find it

[earnest olive]

which kingston kit

[cyan ravine]

basic black furys

[cold jewel]

and would the 3080 vs 3080ti be a major difference or no?

[earnest olive]

no, 3080 12gb and 3080ti are basically the same thing

but retail prices for 3080ti are kinda stupid right now

[cold jewel]

gotcha

[earnest olive]

you may want to consider waiting for the RX 7900 XTX to come out

[cyan ravine]

wait wth where the kingston kits gone

[cold jewel]

ill just stick with 3080

[earnest olive]

RX 7900 XTX MSRP is 1k and should beat the 3080ti by a good amount

[cold jewel]

im looking to build within this week or next week

[earnest olive]

understandable

you can also consider a used 3090/3090ti/6950xt at this price point

[cold jewel]

ah yea

[earnest olive]

yeah idk i did a quick scan of current availability and this kit looks pretty good to me

do you prefer black or white lol

[cold jewel]

black if possible

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FfVbZw here's an example with a little more spent on looks

and an 850w psu for a little more comfort

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zQ4Ycf/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flrd532g5600hc32dc01

[earnest olive]

first of all, red 🤢

[cyan ravine]

it's m die

[earnest olive]

okay but are we going to assume this user wants to ram oc

[cold jewel]

i don't plan on overclocking just using xmp

[cyan ravine]

wha-

[earnest olive]

because i am pretty sure people asking for part lists in build chat are not going to become ram overclockers

does it really matter what IC it is if you're just going to turn on xmp and call it a day

[cyan ravine]

then why are you recommending ddr5 when ddr4 is cheaper and almost as quick lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MkQcCJ/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl30-memory-f5-5600j3036d16ga2-rs5k

[earnest olive]

can afford it and ddr5 will eventually scale better

it's still a better upgrade than 13700K or current 3080ti prices

cheapest zotac 3080ti is currently listed at 1100

that's +$300 lol

[cyan ravine]

I never said anything about no gpu lol

[earnest olive]

well what else would you upgrade if you dropped down to ddr4 for value reasons

[cyan ravine]

nothing

[cold jewel]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NCNF2ZQ

how about these?

[cyan ravine]

just do it cheaper

[earnest olive]

bad

[cold jewel]

ah kk

[earnest olive]

idk, either approach is valid

most users also don't upgrade that often

so that's a pretty important consideration for going ddr5 here

if you plan to upgrade by 15th gen ddr4 is the better choice

[cyan ravine]

imo if only using XMP, not worth forking for expensive ram

the returns aren't really worth the extra there

[earnest olive]

how long do you plan to keep this pc @cold jewel

[cold jewel]

few years atleast

[earnest olive]

3+? 5+?

[cold jewel]

4ish maybe more

[earnest olive]

i'd go for decent d5 then personally

games coming out in 2-3 years are going to leverage d5's advantages over d4 a lot better than they do now

we already have one example of a game that scales much much better with d5

[cyan ravine]

you mean spiderman

lol

[earnest olive]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

I still would stick to m die if you're buying it then

Better to get a decent kit with that extra spent

[earnest olive]

i mean.. it's worse if you never plan to ram oc

[cyan ravine]

a die is still expensive af so nope

[earnest olive]

let's think about how many people actually do manual ram oc

holy crap

excuse me?

silicon power selling a 1tb gen4 for $83?

[cyan ravine]

ok well then cheapest high freq

[earnest olive]

let's see if this thing is any good

[cyan ravine]

which is only $25 cheaper than m die

[earnest olive]

damn, it's actually pretty decent

cringing thinking about all the gen3 drives i spent >$100 on

[cyan ravine]

cheap 5600 vs m die

$30

well whatever

still spending a lot for diminishing returns

either way you cut it over D4

lol

[earnest olive]

is 5600 high freq? that's base spec

[cyan ravine]

first 6000 kit costs more than m die

5600 counts for me as it's anything not micron lmao

it'll scale

[earnest olive]

idk, i'm not gonna recommend someone buy 3200 14-14-14 1.35v ddr4 to run xmp on

same idea here no?

[analog pulsar]

I hate how all the 1TB go on sale like WTF that's not enough storage

2TB when

[cyan ravine]

3200 16-16-16 1.35V base SP isn't premium like bee ded?

it's fine

[potent portal]

Jedec goes up to 7200

[earnest olive]

yeah

i meant base spec on the cpu side

3200 16-16-16? never seen a bin like that before

sounds incredibly cursed

[potent portal]

Ah the "official" supported speed according to Intel

[cyan ravine]

you know the kit I'm talking about

I've been awake like, 30 minutes

lol

[earnest olive]

the 16-18-18 hynix/micron mystery meat?

[cyan ravine]

the $70 2x16 sp kit

[earnest olive]

i think we scared the person actually asking for help away

💀

[cyan ravine]

yes likely

[cold jewel]

im here aha

[cyan ravine]

kek

[potent portal]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232196

[cyan ravine]

noooo

LOL

[earnest olive]

stick to your decision to not get into ram overclocking btw

ram overclocking is an illness

mine's terminal

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[earnest olive]

be careful not to end up like me

[cold jewel]

ahah okay

[earnest olive]

buying random $25 garbage ram kits to oc them and then toss them in a flip build

[potent portal]

Found that one on b-die finder so it's 100% b-die

[cyan ravine]

that one would def be cursed

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-the-dice-king-cuphead-gif-23368960

[earnest olive]

might still end up better than my b-die

LOL

@cyan ravine can we take a moment to appreciate the irony of a ddr4 user arguing for ddr5 while a ddr5 user argues for ddr4

[cyan ravine]

I agree, we're lemons

[earnest olive]

grass is greener on the other side or something like that

[cyan ravine]

what I would do is very similar:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/98X3Mb

[earnest olive]

i mean, my ddr4 is literally infinite price/perf i guess

[cyan ravine]

Arctic has b-stock LF2's for $50 on ebay

[earnest olive]

do they honor warranty on those btw

[cyan ravine]

yes 1 year iirc

[earnest olive]

okay nice

actually relevant with the lf2 issues

[cyan ravine]

and not a fault kit as they're also updated

[earnest olive]

oh

nice

[cyan ravine]

yup

[cold jewel]

i mean i don't mind paying the extra for ddr5 if it would help in longer run

[cyan ravine]

that's a you call

[cold jewel]

still $400 under budget anyhow

[potent portal]

Full standard warranty for b-stock AND they all are guaranteed "QC" repaired

[earnest olive]

d5 will have aged much better by the time you're going to upgrade in 4+ years

[cyan ravine]

imo spend less on that ddr5 kit and get the hynix M die

[earnest olive]

i personally still advocate for d5 but it's your call

[cyan ravine]

hynix m will age much better than samsung ddr5

[earnest olive]

it would be an easier argument if d5 and d4 could slot into the same board

there is one board that can do that but... please don't buy it

[cold jewel]

which d5 stick would you recommend?

[cold jewel]

arent they two different voltages o.o

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MkQcCJ/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl30-memory-f5-5600j3036d16ga2-rs5k

[earnest olive]

there is an incredibly cursed chinese h610 board with 1 d5 slot and 1 d4 slot

populating one disables the other

so you can only ever use single channel

[cold jewel]

ah

[earnest olive]

but technically it supports both on one board!

haha...

ha...

[potent portal]

Even cheapest 2x8gb DDR5 kits can beat mid-high end b-die

[cold jewel]

wouldn't you fry the memory if you accidently put it in wrong slot? or would it just not boot

[cyan ravine]

2x8 kinda cursed on z690 tho

[potent portal]

It won't fit

[earnest olive]

keyed differently

same number of pins but the notch is in a different spot

[cold jewel]

oh i didn't even realize they were sized differently

[earnest olive]

they are the same size i think

just has a physical notch to block you from installing it in the wrong slot

[potent portal]

You'd have to break/cut it to get it to fit, they're the same physical size though

[cold jewel]

is this memory going to be fine assuming the motherboard ships with latest bios? (msi pro z690a)

[earnest olive]

unless you really hammer it in, but at that point nothing will save you

[cyan ravine]

absolutely, no issue

[earnest olive]

even if it doesn't ship with latest bios, the board has flashback

[cold jewel]

ah kk

[cyan ravine]

and it'll overclock well if you ever, ever think about it

most importantly it's the cheapest decent kit

[earnest olive]

(please don't)

(i am on day 11 of my ddr4 oc on my new 13700K and i wish i could just turn on xmp and call it a day)

[cyan ravine]

(you could)

[cold jewel]

a little headroom anything i should change?

[cyan ravine]

(no one is stopping you)

[earnest olive]

my kit's xmp SUCKS

[cyan ravine]

[cold jewel]

i wont aha

[earnest olive]

and i've tasted better

[cyan ravine]

looks good, one sec

[earnest olive]

i envy those who have never tasted the frametime graphs of a manually tuned kit

[cyan ravine]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354106545275

use this

[cold jewel]

should i go for a 960 pro rather than a mp33?

[earnest olive]

no

[cyan ravine]

no

mp33 is stonks

[potent portal]

Memory OC is super time consuming but it's so satisfying

[earnest olive]

get a 1tb UD90 if you want a more premium ssd

otherwise just get an mp33

[cyan ravine]

or adata swordfish if you want 2tb

[cold jewel]

ah kk

[earnest olive]

i'd actually go for the UD90 right now

because holy crap

$83

[cold jewel]

silicon power ud90?

[cyan ravine]

whoa wtf

[earnest olive]

yeah

[cold jewel]

kk

[cyan ravine]

ok he's on to something

[earnest olive]

an extra $20 to be ready for directstorage? not bad

my UD70 quivering in its slot rn

[cold jewel]

why not the 960 btw? just not worth it?

[cyan ravine]

960 bleh

[earnest olive]

yeah pretty much

[cold jewel]

ah

[cyan ravine]

only half decent samsung worth it's time is 970 evo (plus) and it's not on sale

[cold jewel]

also why the 280 vs 360? wouldn't the 360 aio be better?

[cyan ravine]

280 is much cheaper

save yourself 70$ for basically no performance loss

[earnest olive]

the difference isn't that much

360 rad is longer

but 280 rad is wider

so the actual surface area difference is single digit %

and cooling performance does not scale linearly with rad surface area

so the actual difference is even smaller than the single digit % area difference implies

[cold jewel]

gotcha

[cyan ravine]

the wider rad means the fans that are on it have a much bigger surface area and power to shift air

so it's much more efficient

a lot of people say 280 is "basically a 360" and it's not a bad way to think about it

[cold jewel]

any better 850w gold fully modular?

[cyan ravine]

Thermaltake GF1 PE

if you want to invest in better on that then yeah go for that one

[cold jewel]

yeah only like $20 more

[earnest olive]

fully modular ends up being worse for cable management a lot of the time btw

[potent portal]

140mm fans are also quieter than 120mm

[earnest olive]

the benefit of fully modular is that you can replace the 24-pin, 8-pin cpu power, etc.

[cold jewel]

isn't it harder to route though?

[cyan ravine]

I mean it's not a bad investment either way

[earnest olive]

but the benefit of semi modular is that if you're not replacing them, having them come out of the same spot on the psu makes them easier to route than having them spaced apart

[cyan ravine]

better supply stonks is good stonks

[cold jewel]

ah

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

it's pretty much a tie IMO, i have never cared about fully modular vs. semi modular

as long as it's one of the two

non modular is also completely fine for budget builds, not as much of a sacrifice as people sometimes make it out to be

[cold jewel]

idk i usually go fully modular since its less confusing for me

[earnest olive]

i've done my share of budget builds with non modular psu + stiff lowish quality cable extensions + not so spacious case

it's livable

[cyan ravine]

I mean, GF1 is worth it if you want to go that route

[earnest olive]

amusingly, difficulty of cable management is kind of a bell curve with budget

[cyan ravine]

modularity aside a better psu isn't a bad thing at all

[earnest olive]

midrange builds are the easiest to cable manage

budget builds and high end builds are harder

[earnest olive]

absolutely, just wanted to say that fully modular is a bit overhyped

[cyan ravine]

oh for sure

[earnest olive]

and shouldn't be a primary consideration when choosing a unit

[potent portal]

Can confirm, custom cables are the way to go with high end. It's worth budgeting that in.

[earnest olive]

yeah unfortunately if i want strimers full replacement is not an option

but i gave up trying to make the back of my pc look good long ago

[cyan ravine]

@cold jewel so this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4pJT3y

[earnest olive]

there is just too much cable mass to manage

front looks good, good enough

[cold jewel]

yup thats what i got down

[potent portal]

Get a programmable RGB strip and a sleeve to run along the cable with a diffuser

[cold jewel]

thank you guys :D

[earnest olive]

np

[earnest olive]

i honestly don't have the skillset to diy this kind of stuff

[cyan ravine]

I just

gave up on rgb

blackout ftw

[earnest olive]

honestly i'm about to be with you

white rgb is kind of infuriating

[cyan ravine]

Trust me, your cable management

WAY BETTER

[earnest olive]

i love what white rgb can do when it works

but

man...

having to worry about the color temperatures of your fans... lmao

[earnest olive]

you don't wanna see the back of my pc man

it's the homer simpson meme irl

[potent portal]

The only RGB I have is because it was cheaper than non-rgb at the time

[cyan ravine]

you wouldn't have wanted to see either of mine in january

That o11? back was FULL

like

FULLL

[earnest olive]

same tho

[cyan ravine]

IMA BURST

FULLLLL

[earnest olive]

the back of my pc is a violation of the geneva convention

[cyan ravine]

now tho? ez

simples

[potent portal]

RAM and GPU are the only RGB I have now. I could plug in my case RGB but... eh.

[cyan ravine]

and my fans are just better

[earnest olive]

just rgb alone counts for like 20 cables

[cyan ravine]

I have my cooler, my GPU block and my RAM

[scenic turret]

https://youtu.be/tYzJf71WUcM

NOOOO

[cyan ravine]

that's basically it

[scenic turret]

EVEN GN

[potent portal]

Oh GN got one too? I just watched Jay's

[scenic turret]

yeah video released 5 mins ago

[earnest olive]

tl;dw?

[cyan ravine]

ALREADY ADS

[potent portal]

Looks like a really weird PCB

[cyan ravine]

REEEEEEEE

I don't like the light bar

[scenic turret]

just started watching

[cyan ravine]

I didn't like it before

I still don't like it

even with the new NEXT GEN GRAPHICS

bleh

[earnest olive]

ok i'll just put it on monitor 4 as background noise while i game lol

[cyan ravine]

[scenic turret]

oh lmao I realized I posted this in build not gen oops

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

gaming

[potent portal]

Speaking of the J2C video, I realized as Jay mentioned having to retest all of their GPUs because of the new driver getting up to 24% improvements from cutting overhead and such, that I should check my driver version and sure enough it was before that driver version. Oops.

[cyan ravine]

imagine if they did that during 3000 series

Nvidia gave themselves an arrow to the knee on that one

[potent portal]

The performance increase applies to 30 series mostly

Maybe that was intentional, tinfoil hat time.

[earnest olive]

the size of that unobstructed fin stack is just

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

WOW

beautiful

[cyan ravine]

NO MORE CLOWN LIPS

OMG

[earnest olive]

this is actually such a beautiful design

shame we'll never get it

[cyan ravine]

NEWEGG BOT

DON'T BLOCK MY GPU IMAGE

[potent portal]

They gave all the reviewers a pre-launch driver to test with, which shows the 4090 getting about double the 3090, and then launch day they release a driver that boosts 30 series performance, which would have hurt the numbers in the review... Seems more than coincidental to me. They've been working on that driver for a while, and I think they could have released the boost earlier. /

[potent portal]

Yeah that's one of the top features, the bracket is secured to the card so it won't sag thanks to Jay's feedback.

[cyan ravine]

eh wha

no the clown lips

the red 👄

is gone

lol

[potent portal]

Oh that side yeah

[cyan ravine]

yes though

they did fix that

[potent portal]

Bracket side is cool too lol

Too bad all this innovation is wasted

But it's still fun to see what could have been

If Nvidia would stop shoving the rod deeper into their partners

[cyan ravine]

THE HEAT PIPS

THEY'RE HUGE

[flint sapphire]

[austere condor]

@modest sedge i dont respond to random DMs

but you can ask here

[modest sedge]

srry

[austere condor]

but to answer your question, while not really answering it. no, i wouldnt buy that

[modest sedge]

ok

[austere condor]

used hardware from a 3rd party seller on newegg just screams a bad idea to me considering the issues newegg has had in the past with 3rd party seller items, and used parts

for a $400 GPU right now, id be looking at a RX 6700XT @modest sedge https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xf92FT/sapphire-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-pulse-video-card-11306-02-20g

[desert nebula]

Is this good? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sBnNTn

[potent portal]

The ryzen 1600 has the gaming performance of a 6th gen intel i5 or a 5th gen i7

7th gen i3 beats it

[desert nebula]

OK but is everything else fine?

[proper ether]

is this "ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 Twin Edge OC Low Hash Rate 8GB GDDR6 256-bit 14 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Gaming Graphics Card, IceStorm 2.0 Advanced Cooling, White LED Logo Lighting, ZT-A30700H-10PLHR" any different than the Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070

and is this good https://techguided.com/gaming-pc-under-1500/

[leaden mauve]

and x79 and x99

[analog pulsar]

My mom does this while working

[limber oyster]

What do y'all think of these?

[potent portal]

Don't get kryonaut extreme, that's for subzero overclocking. The regular kryonaut is the one for air/water cooling.

[unborn mesa]

Does anyone use those m.2nvme to pcie 4.0 adapters?

[plain cipher]

Hey.

[analog hearth]

^ who’s goofy ahh bot is that? 💀💀

[plain cipher]

🤔

How's your day??

[cyan ravine]

💀

[tired turtle]

it’s a work in progress

Currently have the 4090 zip tied to the cooler

[cyan ravine]

Nice, I like test benches

[tired turtle]

thank you sir, i had my old system on it permanently but that was e-atx mobo which filled the space far better than itx lol

im just runnning this temporarily until i can source a waterblock for the gpu

[cyan ravine]

Ah, msi waterblocks will be a little while

[tired turtle]

yeah

[still roost]

Walrisis#1238 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tired turtle]

oops

yeah i just play garbage indie games anyways so its chillin as is so no real rush.. d15 aint really cutting it under full load on cpu but its fine lol

[cyan ravine]

What cpu??

Jeez must be some stonker

[tired turtle]

Nah not too crazy just 13700k, but under load more than a minute and a half it starts to throttle

Haven’t undervolted to try and help the situation but I’m not going to bother I don’t think lol

no gpu bracket because it’s too tall to store the bench easily

[cyan ravine]

13700K will be one of the hottest chips lol

13900k but less e cores and poorer quality p cores

So more leakage

[tired turtle]

its ok, itll be under a full mo-ra loop soon enough

[cyan ravine]

Ah I see

Worth doing yeah

[tired turtle]

doing a formd t1 with the mo-ra under the desk lol

[cyan ravine]

I feel like I know someone with that exact build

[tired turtle]

ooh 👀

ive met someone else with a itx mo-ra build but not formd

[cyan ravine]

Formd I'm pretty sure

[tired turtle]

pog

[cyan ravine]

Ah not quite

Same idea tho

[tired turtle]

ooh yeah ive seen this

im doing the 360 variant but yeah this is pure

[limber oyster]

Would it HURT to use extreme? Or would it just not cool as effectively as the regular?

[proper ether]

which is better

Intel Core i5-13600KF or Intel Core i7-12700KF

[mossy venture]

13600kf

both in multi core and single core

[proper ether]

ok thanks

is the rtx 3060 just the model and nvidia a brand making it?

[mossy venture]

?

are you gaming?

[proper ether]

yes

is this different than the nvidia rtx 3070, ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 Twin Edge

[mossy venture]

13600kf is overkill for even a 3090, I'd spend less on cpu and more on gpu for a gaming build

[proper ether]

oh

[mossy venture]

what's your total budget and country?

[proper ether]

1.5k USD

the 1.5k doesnt include the keyboard/mouse/monitor

[mossy venture]

do you care about amd vs nvidia gpu?

[proper ether]

i dont know much about amd

[paper summit]

Say no say no say no

[proper ether]

why

[paper summit]

There both great amd just isnt as good for raytrace

[mossy venture]

and do you care for rgb lights and such?

[proper ether]

no

whats raytrace

[mossy venture]

do you actively not want them?

or just don't care

[proper ether]

i dont mind them

[mossy venture]

kk

[paper summit]

But amd is more budget freindly

For the same performance

[proper ether]

oh

[paper summit]

People hate on them cause they used to have driver issues

But not anymore

[proper ether]

do you use amd

[paper summit]

I have

And its been good

[proper ether]

what do you use now

[paper summit]

Soon 3080

[proper ether]

nvidia?

[paper summit]

Just cause raytracing is better

[paper summit]

Yea

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RwvYtn

could spend a bit more if you want to

won't gain much perf for the money tho

[proper ether]

how much more

[paper summit]

Basically my build lol but 5800x

[proper ether]

thats a really cheap cpu

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pydftn

[mossy venture]

its enough for even a 3090 at 1440p

[proper ether]

and expensive video card

[mossy venture]

mhm

[proper ether]

oh

[paper summit]

5600 good

[proper ether]

why do people make it seem like you need the newest cpu for anything

[paper summit]

Idk man

Same with psus

People think u need 1000 watts for 3060

On reddit lmao

[proper ether]

it says the build has compatibility issues

[mossy venture]

false positive, just a bios update

which is very easy and unlikely needed

[proper ether]

okay so how do i put it together

[paper summit]

Well

Uh

[mossy venture]

theres tutorials on youtube

[proper ether]

okay

ive only used a laptop

the mouse doesnt even work anymore

im using the touchpad 💀

is the msi 3080 cheaper than the nvidia 3080?

or is there a reason you picked the msi

[mossy venture]

there's no fe 3080 12gb

[proper ether]

whats a fe

is the only difference between the two links you sent the cpu and cooler?

[mossy venture]

founders edition

yes

[proper ether]

Oh

Founder edition has better performance?

[mossy venture]

no

actually worse than the one i chose, bc they're two diff gpus

fe 3080 10gb and non fe 3080 12gb

[proper ether]

Oh

Are you able to make one with intel?

[mossy venture]

are you able to go a bit over budget, or is it a hard limit

[proper ether]

Yes

You can go over

Keep it around 1.7k max

[mossy venture]

this is over by a good bit https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DThT3y

also doesn't have wifi included

[proper ether]

Wym

[mossy venture]

This is almost as much as the 5700x option while being just a bit better than the 5600 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dThT3y

[mossy venture]

there is no built in wifi on the motherboard

[proper ether]

Oh

Is that bad

[mossy venture]

if you're using ethernet it does not matter at all

[proper ether]

I don’t have Ethernet

[mossy venture]

then you'll have to purchase a seperate wifi card

[proper ether]

How much are those

[mossy venture]

like $20 if not less

[proper ether]

Oh

[mossy venture]

I don't know much about wifi cards so someone else would have to make a recommendation

[proper ether]

How do you get Ethernet

Apart from the router

Cause the router isn’t in my room

[mossy venture]

you either run a cable through the wall, which is expensive to have done if it's not already, or you don't

[proper ether]

Oh

Okay

Does the amd have wifi?

[mossy venture]

yes

[proper ether]

Ok thanks

[proper ether]

This is better than the ryzen 5?

[mossy venture]

mhm

[paper summit]

Basically 5800x with lower tdp

So u get all the power and speed of 8 cores without the heat output

[proper ether]

Ok

Is the Logitech 502 hero a good mouse?

And I’m thinking of getting a 60% keyboard or a tkl

[mossy venture]

it's ok

tends to have long term issues

[proper ether]

What do you recommend

[mossy venture]

personally, orochi v2

[proper ether]

Wired or wireless

[mossy venture]

either or, i prefer wireless mice

[proper ether]

Ok

Do you have a 60% or a tkl

[paper summit]

G305 is a decent wireless mouse

I like it

[proper ether]

Thanks

[proper ether]

@mossy venture also do those cpus have enough power to handle like 20 chrome tabs

[mossy venture]

easily

my 8th gen i3 laptop could do that

[paper summit]

💀yea def lmao

5700x is no slouch

[proper ether]

How about 40

[paper summit]

Yes

The question is can u handle 40 chrome tabs

[proper ether]

I mean

Only if it’s the only thing opened

If I want to play sum I gotta close them all

[potent portal]

It won't hurt necessarily but it does need to be replaced more frequently and can be about 4 degrees hotter than regular at above freezing temps.

[proper ether]

Do you guys use a 60 or a tkl

[cyan ravine]

Me? 60

It took a long time getting used to the shortcuts but I can basically just about use it like a full keyboard now

At the benefit of more mouse space

[bold prism]

can someone lmk what i should download after building my pc?

like isnt there a set of stuff i need to download

[analog pulsar]

asrock best rock

What gpu is this

Icraft

[proper ether]

whats the difference between these 3

and why doesnt the first one have any ratings

also can you still use a videocard even if the cpu has integrated

[analog hearth]

yes

[proper ether]

then isnt it better to buy the KF version

instead of Intel Core i5-13600K, I use the Intel Core i5-13600KF

[analog hearth]

you could use either

[proper ether]

KF is cheaper but its the same without integrated right?

[proper ether]

does it ignore the integrated graphics if i use a dedicated graphics

wym

[analog hearth]

according to Intel's spec sheets, they're basically the same CPU other than the 13600KF not having integrated graphics

[proper ether]

KF cant troubleshoot?

oh

you mean if the dedicated isnt working its nice to have the integrated as a backup?

Thanks

Is there a way to get Ethernet connection without putting it in the wall

Oh okay

Thanks

1 and 2 are definitely different?

[proper ether]

The 799.99 and 789.99

[cyan ravine]

They're all different

#1 would be the best choice tho

[proper ether]

How so

[weary galleon]

Better cooling and slightly better clock speeds for $10 more than the middle one

Plus rgb if you care

[vague oracle]

Ventus is a card you straight up should not buy

Complete garbage

[weary galleon]

especially for the 3080 there were extra vram heat issues I believe

[proper ether]

thanks

the first option is the best out of all three?

[weary galleon]

yes

[limber oyster]

Gotchya

[limber oyster]

Ngl, I almost got that, but I liked the RGB from the Asus better

[analog pulsar]

Lol

[limber oyster]

Chinese off brand

I got my brother a maxsun 1050ti, but it read as a GTX 710

[analog pulsar]

💀

[analog pulsar]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-13th-gen-cpus-facing-issues-on-z690-boards-core-i7-13700kf-48-slower-than-the-12700k-on-the-asus-tug-z690/

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-annoyed-stöhn-oh-no-oh-nein-gif-24943313

[analog pulsar]

@potent portal what haha 😄

[potent portal]

Just Intel things

I'm sure future bios updates will fix it but damn that sucks

[limber oyster]

Don't worry, my laptop uses a ram module that isn't sold anymore

[potent portal]

So do all of my desktops. You can only find them on ebay now.

[rugged burrow]

Is 650 watts good for a rx 6700XT

[potent portal]

Probably, you'll want a B tier unit though. C could probably get away with it. https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Anything lower you're better off not risking fire

[rugged burrow]

I have a 650w Corsair RMX 2018 if I’m correct so that seems to be fine

[potent portal]

A tier, you're good

[rugged burrow]

Just deciding on if I should go with a r5 5600x or a r7 5700x

[fossil cedar]

Do you already have an am4 board?

[rugged burrow]

Nope

[fossil cedar]

You in the us?

[rugged burrow]

Yea

[fossil cedar]

I'd grab either the 5600 non x or 5700x instead, 5600 is basically the same for cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box

But it depends on you how much you want to spend

[cyan ravine]

ye 5600 is a 5600X but without the letter printed on it

[rugged burrow]

Something that’s compatible with a rx6700xt and 650w

PSU

[cyan ravine]

ye it'll work

[fossil cedar]

They both are

[cyan ravine]

you will need a motherboard with bios flash tho

options are Asus prime b450m-a II for $80 or if you want wifi, MSI B550m pro vdh wifi

for like, 110?

both have bios flash, makes double sure that the cpu will work with it

[rugged burrow]

With the bios flash do I just click it and it updates bios or nah ?

[rugged burrow]

Will there be one with a m.2 slot that supports pci e 4 or no

[cyan ravine]

I think the msi one does

[fossil cedar]

You just put the most up to date bios on a usb stick, stick it in a certain port according to the manual and press the button once there is power connected, then you wait a few mins

[cyan ravine]

although pcie 4 on a m.2 is not really important for a gaming machine

[fossil cedar]

Although you probs won't have to update bios, you might have you, better safe than sorry

[rugged burrow]

Okay thank you

[cyan ravine]

if you have another need for it then sure but otherwise you won't know the difference between that and gen 3

[fossil cedar]

I'd still get the b550 anyway

[cyan ravine]

msi one is nice, you'll have a future with that one

[rugged burrow]

Okay the only parts that I have remaining from my old build is my nzxt case and PSU and hdd and ssd

[cyan ravine]

neat trick for easy perfomance boost

swap the nzxt case for a mesh case for a few % better

[fossil cedar]

You might end up struggling with noise in an nzxt case unless it's a pretty old one btw

[rugged burrow]

It’s a h510

[fossil cedar]

It depends, they're old ones where decent

[rugged burrow]

I think that’s what it’s called

[fossil cedar]

Oh yeah I'd swap the case then

[cyan ravine]

lol, yes this one

h510 definitely deserves a swap

[rugged burrow]

Then another case that I just have stored is the Lian li o11

[cyan ravine]

o11 is easily better

you just need fans to use it

fans bottom to top, easiest config to use the airflow in it

[rugged burrow]

Okay so I should just use the o11

[cyan ravine]

yeah honestly

it's a bit weird having a midrange setup in it but you'll be better off

[fossil cedar]

Yeah you might need to order some fans as it comes with none stock, so if you don't have any, I'd get these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LmCFf7/arctic-p12-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-acfan00137a

[rugged burrow]

I had the exact same ones in my last rig

Lmao

[cyan ravine]

if you have at least 6 case fans

ur good

3 bottom intake, 3 top outlet

[rugged burrow]

I was going to with some Lian li sl 120 cause the rgb

[cyan ravine]

SL120's are bleh

the software is nasty too sometimes

very little performance for what you get, take it from someone who's had unifans

[fossil cedar]

I'd just take them out of your h510 then

[rugged burrow]

Check this out on @Newegg: LIAN LI ST120-3B ,12CM ARGB FANS , BLACK COLOR , 3 FANS PACK WITH FAN CONTROLLER https://www.newegg.com/lian-li-st120-3b-case-fan/p/1YF-005G-00020?Item=9SIAFSTCJZ4520&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAFSTCJZ4520-_-11092022

[rugged burrow]

I don’t have them anymore

[fossil cedar]

Or if you want rgb I'd grab these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4zxRsY/deepcool-fc120-3-in-1-6191-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-r-fc120-bamn3-g-1

St120 are decent too

Just to let you know they're not unifans

[rugged burrow]

Damm the price on em lmao

[cyan ravine]

those are alright. They aren't unifans but they're far better than unifans could hope to be

price isn't too bad either for a 3 pack of rgb

[rugged burrow]

Then ima just stick with those then cause if they are far better then the unifans and cheap then yea ima stick to them

[cyan ravine]

yea

[upper ore]

What's a better option? Check this out on @Newegg: SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2 2280 2TB PCIe Gen 4.0 x4, NVMe 1.3c Samsung V-NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V8P2T0B/AM https://www.newegg.com/samsung-2tb-980-pro/p/N82E16820147796?Item=N82E16820147796&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-147-796-_-11092022 Or https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-2tb-black-sn850x-nvme/p/N82E16820250247?Item=N82E16820250247&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-250-247-_-11092022

[fossil cedar]

Sn850x but most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between those and this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1

[upper ore]

Sorry I don't have time to read into it this morning so could you just tell me what is different?

[mossy venture]

Sn850x is faster and the same price

That was a stupid typo

And you don't really notice a diff between gen 3 and 4 ssds in gaming

[cyan ravine]

Mp33 fte

For the EEEEE

[fossil cedar]

Basically sn850x is faster but only mainly on sequential writes which is like moving a large file from one drive to another or downloading a game etc (assuming you're not bottlenecked by your internet anyway) what most people consider to be quickness of a drive is the random speeds, ie how fast it can access lots of smaller files quickly which is measured in iops

[cyan ravine]

For the win*

[fossil cedar]

And the p41 solidigm is far cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Mp33

Reeeeee

[upper ore]

How hot does it get? And will it work on this board? Check this out on @Newegg: ASRock B550 STEEL LEGEND AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550-steel-legend/p/N82E16813157937?Item=N82E16813157937&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-157-937-_-11092022

[cyan ravine]

Sn850x is a hot boi

@upper ore what are you using these for?

[upper ore]

Sorry trying to get ready for work. I can't look into it just yet so I'm just asking you.

[fossil cedar]

Yeah and i answered?

[upper ore]

It's gonna be my main drive that will be for gaming and my documents.

[fossil cedar]

Sn850x is very hot you would want to put it under a heatsink, yes it'll work with your board, p41 isn't that hot but if there's a heatsink I'd put it under one anyway

[fossil cedar]

Then solidigm p41 will be more than enough

[upper ore]

Alright thank you I'll add it to my list!

[cyan ravine]

Hell MP33 would be more than enough for a gaming build

Or silicon power A60

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but the p41 is same price for 2tb so

Might as well grab that

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough

I don't look beyond my simp options

[dusky adder]

How does this look?

[fossil cedar]

Looks fine

[idle veldt]

what’s up guys, just a quick question For a nvidia GeForce 3070 and a i7 12700k would a NZXT Z63 LCD be enough to cool it or do i need to get the Z73?

[mossy venture]

Have you bought any of the parts for your build yet?

If you're gaming, 12700k is overkill for a 3070, and 13600k is normally cheaper than it and better

Both in single core and multi core

[rich void]

The AIO on the CPU isn't going to be that much of a consideration for your GPU. For the GPU the case and overall fan configuration is going to matter more (the fans and rad from the AIO will be one part of that)

[mossy venture]

That too

[idle veldt]

lemme see

i’ve bought motherboard gpu and that cpu

i need to get home to tell y’all which mother board i gift

got

[mossy venture]

What's your budget for the build?

Including what you already bought

[idle veldt]

budget is 1.5 k im able to go to 2k but really tryna keep it at 1.5k

im also going for an all white buil

and my mother board is the asus prime z690A

[fossil cedar]

How much of the budget have you already used or are you saying 1.5k after mobo cpu and gpu?

[little osprey]

Just got my new Razer Taichi X570 and some thermal paste today, time to upgrade my beast. Whole new CPU and MB.

[fossil cedar]

Enjoy

[fossil cedar]

Anyway I'd do something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RhgyRv
Or if you want an aio
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xzN4mr

The 3070 is just a placement one dw if that's not the model you have

[idle veldt]

tanks

thanks

but it’s with both but i can go over i have no issue going over

[fossil cedar]

Hm?

You talking about budget?

There's no point spending more on the non cpu and gpu competents really

[idle veldt]

true

I just wanted to get the NZXT lcd fan

i’ll probably use the other parts you suggested as well

thanks man!!

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[upper ore]

I just looked at it for the first time that I'm off of work. And it's kinda hard to believe this beats out the 2 that I sent. It looks like some basic NVME for an every day work station and not work aswell for gaming. Until you read into it that is.

[fossil cedar]

it definitely doesnt beat the other 2 you just wont really see the difference

[upper ore]

Wait wdym? When you say definitely it kinda sounds like it's alot worse but it doesn't matter much.

[fossil cedar]

I mean the sn850x is better but it's not that much better that most people would notice

[upper ore]

Are you running this nvme?

[fossil cedar]

No

[upper ore]

Okay

Well i got a question about these 2 liquid coolers im looking at. 1 is on sale for a good deal but i really like the look of the other one more. Besides looks which one would you say is a better option? This one i like the look of the most and it looks like it has a higher rotational speed. https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-Galahad-SL120-White/dp/B09KN8Y68Y/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=Bst66&content-id=amzn1.sym.e4bd6ac6-9035-4a04-92a6-fc4ad60e09ad&pf_rd_p=e4bd6ac6-9035-4a04-92a6-fc4ad60e09ad&pf_rd_r=Q7ESS68JQAJVKEB7DTTA&pd_rd_wg=PsvMz&pd_rd_r=a327268b-682f-4e69-8f2f-cef209f18aea&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m&th=1 And this one was the original one that was put on my list and it is on sale https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-GA-360A-Galahad-Liquid/dp/B09MPYPHJB/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=JRgsQ&content-id=amzn1.sym.e4bd6ac6-9035-4a04-92a6-fc4ad60e09ad&pf_rd_p=e4bd6ac6-9035-4a04-92a6-fc4ad60e09ad&pf_rd_r=C3P7MHT41G29V005EJ93&pd_rd_wg=r8HWZ&pd_rd_r=de908fef-8308-4053-8254-7bd00f95b463&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m&th=1

[analog pulsar]

ay

[fossil cedar]

if you want a white aio id just get the deepcool ls720 white

[upper ore]

I honestly don't trust deepcool anymore. Lol

[fossil cedar]

why not?

but anyway if you wanna get the galahad get the non uni fan version, its better

[upper ore]

The case I got made my life a living hell when I was putting my pc together. 😑

[upper ore]

So the one that was on sale?

[cyan ravine]

I've been using 2 out of the 3 you've suggested and I agree with Pato, when you're doing normal things or just gaming, you absolutely won't tell the difference

[upper ore]

Ik what yall are probably gonna say but yes the case was that bad.

[cyan ravine]

The problem is windows itself doesn't leverage the full speed by it's design, it's pegged

So past a certain point unless you're doing like, 4K video editing or large file transfers daily, the extra speed won't help

The P41 will be worth getting

[upper ore]

It will mainly be used for gaming and alot of big games. But it will also be used for some files storing.

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that doesn't need a gen 4

Honestly you won't know the difference

[fossil cedar]

they have done a 180 tbf and the ls720 is actually competitive which only lian li, EK and arctic had been able to do that before

[fossil cedar]

idk i didnt check the links just the one that doesnt say uni fan

[cyan ravine]

LS has been astoundingly good but yeah if you don't trust it then it's ok

Galahad works as well just not on new intel as nicely

[upper ore]

The only reason I'm doing the lian li is because Fal'cie told me not to get the corsair one I was gonna get. So he suggested the one that was on sale and he said that they make really good liquid coolers.

[cyan ravine]

Ya the corsair one is poor value

[fossil cedar]

ye

[cyan ravine]

All corsair ones tbh

[upper ore]

What does unifan mean exactly? I have an idea but not sure if I'm right.

[potent portal]

They're the ones that slot together with no cables

[cyan ravine]

So the galahad comes in 3 versions

SL120, AL120, and ST120

You want the ST120 version

That's the good one

Unifans are just expensive fans that slot together with extra rgb

They aren't very good fans

[potent portal]

Yeah uni fans aren't great on radiators, not a very tight seal

[cyan ravine]

The ST one has actually decent fans

And it's the cheap one

[upper ore]

I'll believe in the original one and get that one. I just liked the look of the unifan one more.

[proper ether]

is this better https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3080-GAMING-Z-TRIO-12G-LHR or https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3080-GAMING-TRIO-PLUS-12G-LHR/

[cyan ravine]

Mostly the same, pick the cheaper one

[proper ether]

okay thanks

[upper ore]

Hey that's the gpu I have

[proper ether]

one is 45 dollars cheaper

[upper ore]

Haven't built the pc yet tho

[proper ether]

which

omg

[cyan ravine]

Ya def get the 45$ cheaper one

They're both on newegg rn, one's as cheap as 799

[proper ether]

yeah thats the one

the others 845

[cyan ravine]

Ya def the gaming trio at 799

[upper ore]

1st I believe

[cyan ravine]

Easily

[proper ether]

oh

[upper ore]

But when I got it was cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Ye gaming z used to go for like 740-ish a while ago

Prices have stabilised a bit

[upper ore]

I think it was in like the 740-760 range

[proper ether]

Are parts usually cheaper on Black Friday

[potent portal]

stabilized been manipulated

[cyan ravine]

Well they aren't moving one way or another

[potent portal]

That's the way Jensen wants it

[cyan ravine]

That's the way any company wants it lol

[potent portal]

Sure but few have the power and near-monopoly that Nvidia does. If they decide not to release the literal tens of thousands of GPUs they have ready, who's to stop them?

[upper ore]

Yo are these the same ones? They have different descriptions which is alittle odd. https://www.newegg.com/lian-li-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835353004?Item=9SIAFSTJ1K7431 and https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09MPYPHJB?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1 🤔

[fossil cedar]

meanwhile amd eats up market share

[fossil cedar]

different sellers?

[potent portal]

Still a very small amount tbh

[cyan ravine]

Def pick the newegg one

[fossil cedar]

ik but anymore they can eat up the better

[cyan ravine]

$99 for the newegg one is a great price and it's ST fans

[upper ore]

They are the same price lol

[potent portal]

"Whatever we make people will buy at any cost because they don't have any other options without sacrifices" is the Nvidia mindset

At least the AMD encoder caught up to nvenc so that stopped being a selling point

[fossil cedar]

oh wow 100 for the galahad is great

[proper ether]

Is Intel a cruelty free company?

[fossil cedar]

uh yes they dont test on animals?

[potent portal]

I don't see how they could test products on animals since they make tech so maybe?

[proper ether]

Ok thanks

I only support organic companies

[cyan ravine]

I can't see the other one, it says 125 for me sorry

[fossil cedar]

inb4 plugs cpu into sheep

[cyan ravine]

Amazon us links don't work on my phone properly

[potent portal]

Yay discord breaking things

[fossil cedar]

amazon out of country moment

[fossil cedar]

nope actually amazon when youre not in the country the link is :/

[upper ore]

So are they different liquid coolers because one is a Galahad and the other one isnt?

[fossil cedar]

same cooler

GA stands for galahad

[cyan ravine]

Same cooler different price

[fossil cedar]

idk why they didnt spell it out

[cyan ravine]

Newegg one better

At least from I can see

[fossil cedar]

ah yes

[upper ore]

Oh so they really are the same. Okay well I'm gonna order it since it's so cheap rn.

[cyan ravine]

Sounds good

Idk when that dropped, we should stick it in tech deals

[still roost]

Naz#9092 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[upper ore]

Crap

[idle veldt]

honestly guys what are the best LCD liquid cooling fans?

something with a LCD screen to like possibly put gifs or picture

[upper ore]

Bot over here warning me and now I can't remember exactly what I said.

But with newegg I'm getting a $10 promo gift card for buying it.

[cyan ravine]

Don't know of any fans with lcd screens