#building-and-recc-chat

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empty pollen
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thats good at least

paper summit
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Well

empty pollen
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3 more days for the full review

paper summit
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Woo

cyan ravine
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2 isn't it?

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OT leaked it's the day before release

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Wait I'm not thinking in US times

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Reeeee

empty pollen
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reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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you live in the future pal

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we are not so advanced.... yet

paper summit
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Lol

cyan ravine
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TURN BACK

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IT SUCCS

frigid night
cyan ravine
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I come from the future

empty pollen
fleet heron
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I've heard it's going to be the exact same

little osprey
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can anyone recommend me a good 1440p 27inch vesa compatible 144hz - 165hz monitor please that has good colour and will run nice with a 3080ti. budget between 200-300 pounds but if its abit more thats fine

cyan ravine
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M27Q-P

thorny flint
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Anyone got a budget pc build for under 500? Looking to mostly run games like val and Fortnite

cyan ravine
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Can* you stretch it $80-$120? Big improvement if you did

thorny flint
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yea

cyan ravine
thorny flint
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can u make me a list pls? im really intrested in building one

cyan ravine
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12100F will be significantly better than 10100F

thorny flint
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ok

cyan ravine
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If you can't do these tho I would consider a used gpu

thorny flint
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alr

cyan ravine
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Maybe a 1080 for sub 200 off somewhere like r/hardwareswap

thorny flint
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ok ok

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whats the difference between i3 12th and r5 5600x besides price

obsidian wigeon
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you can instead get 5600

cyan ravine
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If you wanted to go amd you'd go 5600 non X

obsidian wigeon
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don't get the x

thorny flint
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Oh but what’s the diff

obsidian wigeon
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none

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other than just slightly higher clock

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5600 offers the exact same perf as 5600x

thorny flint
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I meant between i3

cyan ravine
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Oh it'll be better than the i3's

obsidian wigeon
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ah, yeah

cyan ravine
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But you pay more

obsidian wigeon
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5600 rn is going like 150 too

thorny flint
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Nah like what the diff for i3 and 5600

obsidian wigeon
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5600x goes for 200+

cyan ravine
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I was minmaxing your gpu for most fps

thorny flint
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Ah ok

cyan ravine
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5600 is easily better but only if you can justify it

thorny flint
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Wdym

obsidian wigeon
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12400f is more expensive rn

cyan ravine
thorny flint
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Oh ok I see

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Ty for help then

cyan ravine
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Np

earnest olive
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i swear i can see the 1 fps difference

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only true gamers understand

obsidian wigeon
feral bobcat
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hello eggy boys

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whats up

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hiiii

feral bobcat
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is anybody home

analog hearth
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it’s morning

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bruh

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also wrong chat

analog pulsar
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should i buy 2TB ssd for $141 or a pack of 2x1TB ssd for less lol

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empty pollen
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2 tb

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free slots are priceless

analog pulsar
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Huh

analog hearth
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multi-M.2 to PCIe adapters exist too. I think there are some adapters that even work with RAID (correct me if I’m wrong)

empty pollen
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you are hurting your expandability just to save some bucks

analog pulsar
analog hearth
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and it’s also basically 2TB for that price. and it’s also basically $64 per drive

empty pollen
analog pulsar
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I'll see if Facebook market place has anything cheaper

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What you guys think about this

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I just need something rn as my current drive is full it's 512GB

empty pollen
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sata 3

analog pulsar
empty pollen
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the same speed but at m2 size

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sata 3 speed, if you are ok with that then go ahead

analog pulsar
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Yea I just need temporary storage rn

empty pollen
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why not an mp33?

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its like 60 bucks for 1 tb

late fjord
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57.99

empty pollen
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yup, or that

analog pulsar
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Hm

empty pollen
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you are sacrificing a lot at almost the same price as an nvme

analog pulsar
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Someone also selling this haha

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empty pollen
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lawl

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just get an mp33 kenzie

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cheap and reliable

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and new

analog pulsar
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🤔

late fjord
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Ssds are so cheap right now 🤩

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I've been going back and forth getting one of these to make a Portable pc/emulator. Barebones comes with built in mobo(am4) and 500w psu. Fits a dual slot gpu up to 200mm.

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analog pulsar
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How do I tell guy I'm not interested anymore in his ssd haha

late fjord
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There's also a b660 version for like $230

late fjord
analog pulsar
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💀

late fjord
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I only considered the am4 one because I have a 3200g laying around. The intel one has pcie 4.0.. but for an emulator I doubt that even matters.

analog pulsar
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I'm just surprised if they make profit haha

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late fjord
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Lol

frigid night
analog pulsar
paper summit
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LMAOOO

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Hows that dead ssd going 💀

fossil cedar
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Java.util.*? Or the scanner name

earnest olive
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oh this is in the wrong channel LOL

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awkward

rain raven
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@paper summit is that an Xbox series s

feral bobcat
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hi again

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guys

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a 1500 usd build please

paper summit
rain raven
mossy venture
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If you go with the 6900xt, could either switch cpu to 5700x and heatsink to peerless assassin 120, or 12600k, pa120, and b660 aorus pro ax

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@feral bobcat

vivid copper
mossy venture
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I wouldnt really recommend a gen 4 ssd for that budget when the money can go towards something else, I also would go for 32gb ram at that budget

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Aio also pretty pointless when ak620 is $60 and same performance/better

fossil cedar
potent portal
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Sales will change dramatically these next 2 weeks

ebon matrix
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is it at 3200 or 2133???

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vivid copper
fossil cedar
ebon matrix
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yo gang idk what that mean

mossy venture
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Ssd, endurance past a certain point only matters if you're doing daily writes

vivid copper
# mossy venture Ak620 is the same performance if not better than most 240mm aios

once again saving $30 bux isn't a big deal vs the AIO and ssd endurance is totally valid....600 TBW vs 1800 TBW is a huge difference.....that person can use that same drive for 3 times as long....$20 more for three times life....that $50 savings isn't going to get you much more in a build....nor will break somebodies budget.....

thorny flint
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how much does rx6600 usually go for?

mossy venture
# vivid copper once again saving $30 bux isn't a big deal vs the AIO and ssd endurance is total...

Again, the aio is literally the same if not worst performance than the ak620. It makes no sense to waste the money on it. The ssd, honestly is mostly personal preference. But considering my low end sata drive that is much worse quality than the mp33 has lasted two years without a single issue, and my friends low end nvme drive has lasted upwards of 3 years, longevity isn't much of an issue past a certain point

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Three times the tbw doesn't always mean three times the life

vivid copper
mossy venture
thorny flint
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new

mossy venture
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New, as meezy said around 250

thorny flint
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ah ok then should i buy now?

mossy venture
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Depends purely on you

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Also on what card you currently have

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6650xt consistently $300 or under

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I'd aim for that

thorny flint
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i dont have one

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im looking for my first build

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im tryna build with rx 6600 and i3 12th gen

mossy venture
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Whats your total budget?

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And what have you bought?

thorny flint
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this

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i brought the ssd

mossy venture
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I'd spend less on the case

thorny flint
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what case should i get then?

mossy venture
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Check out the mx330

thorny flint
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ok

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the cougar one right?

mossy venture
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Yeah

thorny flint
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but is rx 6600 worth buying rn

mossy venture
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What games do you plan on playing?

thorny flint
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val and fortnite

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and stuff

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just low end games

mossy venture
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If you can afford the 6650xt or 6600xt, then I'd get it

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Big jump in perf for not a huge increase in cost, if 6600 is what you can afford then go for it

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I'd just avoid mech 2x

thorny flint
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alr

mossy venture
thorny flint
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ok

potent portal
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That'll give real time stats off all the sensors in the PC, including clock speeds and timings

late fjord
mossy venture
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Does it fit your budget?

thorny flint
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i was looking for around 600/ 700 might be too much

mossy venture
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Alr, then can switch the cpu ram and mobo back

earnest olive
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can add aftermarket cooler if you want, but it's not necessary

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new stock cooler does ok on i3

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upgrading from 6600 to 6650xt is a better use of budget allocation than putting aftermarket cooler

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you can add cooler easily at any time

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less easy to swap your 6600 to 6650xt later on

thorny flint
mossy venture
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Sips did it for you already

thorny flint
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alr ty sips

mossy venture
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Pretty sure it's the same as you had before with the gpu and case changed

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Can also add more case fans later

thorny flint
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ye

mossy venture
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Oh also

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Are you planning to use ethernet?

thorny flint
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nah so i need a wifi card right?

mossy venture
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You could get the ds3h ax b660 for $120 which includes wifi

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Or get a separate wifi card, yeah

thorny flint
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ok

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what good wifi card

mossy venture
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I dont really know wifi cards well so I cant tell you how much one would cost

thorny flint
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ok

mossy venture
earnest olive
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decent wifi cards are $30+ so might as well go integrated

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i gotta get work done but you got this

mossy venture
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Kk

mossy venture
thorny flint
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so what good motherboard with wifi

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on a budget

mossy venture
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Ds3h ax

thorny flint
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ok

mossy venture
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Cheapest mobo with wifi

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For lga 1700 anyways

analog pulsar
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What's a good pc I can build for cheap to compare to prices online

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Like pc with 6600 and i3 12th gen

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Or is 10th gen Intel cpus good

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I found a processor i5 7600 for $50

unique rapids
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top three 512gb nvme SSDs under $100(tax included?) I am looking for at least 512gb with the best performance for video editing/windows boot for under $100. Do you have any recommendations?

strong raft
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Fyi, we expect USD w/ just "$", and you can get a 1TB for that price. Hynix P31/P41 are great but there's various certain picks that would be good for video editing. Tbh I forget if that needs high avg write speeds or what. P41 for instance can write 300+ GB at full speed, won't thermal throttle, & avg write speed across a whole drive is maybe 1800MB/s or something like that.

unique rapids
mossy venture
analog pulsar
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Okay not 12th gen but what about like 9th or 10th gen how much performance decrease would happen from 12th to 10th

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Just nevermind

worn wave
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Kenzie tryna flip PCs but prolly will end up wasting more money

analog pulsar
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No no that's not it....it just seeing if I could get some money back if I go with later gen processor or something but nevermind just gunna scrap idea

worn wave
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What?

analog pulsar
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Idk what I was thinking

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Not that anyone might know but will newer amd have drop out issues like sips and widens had ?

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But also what is with the AMD drop out USB issue on current mobos anyone figure out why it's happens or is it just random

cyan ravine
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Random

analog pulsar
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Okay

ornate condor
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seems like you getting lower performance for same price on new gen ? wth

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cyan ravine
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You're comparing an 8 core to a 12 core, also when the 5900X came out it had a $549 msrp

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Also this is Zen 4, half a meme to begin with

ornate condor
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I know msrp were higher for it but offering same performance for same price on 2 year newer model is looks weird

analog pulsar
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anyone know good monitor stand for 34 inch i can put sideways and it needs to be a monitor stand not a hook bc i dont have opening on my desk

velvet yoke
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I'm sure they might have them for 34 inch screens too

analog pulsar
velvet yoke
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Then again, we're talking about the same company that paired ddr4 Rams with a board that takes ddr5...

analog pulsar
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🤔

velvet yoke
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Do you need it to clip or just stand on the desk?

strong raft
analog pulsar
potent portal
ornate condor
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Yeah it have more single core performance which is good but am5 mobo and ddr5 rams costs a lot in total so hmm

velvet yoke
earnest olive
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you could argue that buying zen 4 for gaming is pointless when 5800x3d exists, so only the multicore should really be looked at

ornate condor
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He's not gaming he does some graphic design or something

earnest olive
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only reason to get a 5900x is as an upgrade to an existing am4 build when multicore > gaming

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or a great used deal and still multicore > gaming

ornate condor
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400 cpu + 150 mobo + 100 rams = 650$ for 5900x
400 cpu + 250 mobo + 200 rams = 850$ for 7700x hmm

potent portal
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AMD's plan was always to charge an early adopter fee, then drop prices a bit with the B650 launch. Which brings up another point, the current motherboards aren't comparable.

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B650 should be easy to get for $150, basic models should be $130

ornate condor
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Yeah maybe after cheaper mobos and cheaper ddr5 rams it will make sense

analog pulsar
glad robin
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Chat please help me 🙏 my PC was making a clicking noise from the back where the PSU was then it just shut off on its own. Now every time when I power it on, the PC makes a clicking noise and then stays on for like 30 seconds then shuts off again...

mossy venture
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12700f better multi core than 5900x and better single core than 7700x (could be wrong on the second part, but idts)

earnest olive
ornate condor
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12700k + z690a pro + ddr4 rams perfection

earnest olive
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we'll have to see how the other brands are

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but msi has been making some of the best budget boards for a few generations now

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so it's not a good sign

ornate condor
earnest olive
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he saw too many youtube videos saying intel bad amd good

ornate condor
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Probably lol

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360$ cpu + 150$ mobo + 100 ram for 12700kf perfection

mossy venture
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What's the point of a 12700kf on a b660

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Unless it's back down to $320

ornate condor
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I was thinkiing about msi z690a pro hmm

mossy venture
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Is he overclocking?

ornate condor
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which is about 150$

mossy venture
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And last I checked it was back up to $180

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Steel legend was down to $140 again the other day

ornate condor
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idk why lol

cyan ravine
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It's the same chip one is just unlocked

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Like buying a ferrari just for groceries

strong raft
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Only if similar price, K sku is fine. Also not hard to have or not have that K typed sometimes. You mean a big rig for groceries, multiplier would be like the extra space going to waste. Pepe_KEK

cyan ravine
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If he doesn't OC then he shouldn't be getting a K period unless it's the exact same price

flint sapphire
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What if he did get the k if only for resale value

cyan ravine
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Don't care if it's parroting it can never be said enough Chillin

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People turn their noses up at intel chips just because they aren't unlocked, then never use the unlocked features like

mossy venture
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Ok

mossy venture
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I haven't checked your tag but I know it's felix

cyan ravine
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That's good

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I like being original

velvet yoke
glad robin
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@velvet yoke nope I don't but from what I've researched online it sounds like my PSU is dying so I already ordered myself a new one.

velvet yoke
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You could also possibly have a bad capacitor, but at that point it's still better to replace your PSU. How old is your computer?

glad robin
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@velvet yoke it's weird cause I turn on my PC now and it boots up and everything then after like an hour or so the PSU will start making a clicking noise then the PC will shut off and I can't turn it back on. I have to wait 30 minutes to 1 hour before it will power back on if I press the power button on my PC.

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I just built my PC a few month ago

velvet yoke
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What model psu is it?

velvet yoke
glad robin
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@velvet yoke ryzen 5 5600x, corsair rm 750, evga rtx 3050, gigabyte aorus pro-p b550 mobo

velvet yoke
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Might need at least an 850 watt psu. But I also have a corsair psu at my house doing weird things. It may just be a corsair thing. I'm not 100% sure.

mossy venture
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With a 3050?

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What are you taking about

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That pc will run on a 350w psu

velvet yoke
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I got a 750 watt corsair acting up and it has a 1070 in it.

mossy venture
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Then your psu has issues

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I ran a 6800xt on a 650w psu

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And a 3060 ti on a 500w psu

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Without any issues

velvet yoke
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Right? That's why I'm thinking it may just be a corsair thing.

mossy venture
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And overclocking

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Depends purely on the model, corsair has some great psus

velvet yoke
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That's true.

mossy venture
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The 650w I ran the 6800xt on is corsair

velvet yoke
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My dad has a 650 running a 6500 xt

mossy venture
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6500xt is another gpu that's fine on a 350 or 450

velvet yoke
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Yeah.

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Fan almost never runs on that gpu for how little power it uses.

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Could always try and RMA the device and see I'd the new one works.

glad robin
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@velvet yoke might be a corsair psu issue lol but I ordered another corsair psu lol this time it's an hx 750 platinum 80+

mossy venture
glad robin
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@mossy venture $120

mossy venture
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First off, your pc would do more than fine with an asus tuf 550 for $55, super flower leadex iii super pro 650 for $60, gf1 750 for $70

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That's super overpriced

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I would cancel that

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A just as good quality psu, the gf1 750 is cheaper

glad robin
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@mossy venture lol I can't cancel it it's from ebay seller

mossy venture
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...

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This is why we ask before buying

velvet yoke
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I kinda wish EVGA and Superflower both had white PSU with an ARGB LED like Corsair has

glad robin
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Well you guys took so long to reply

mossy venture
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You didn't ask what to buy my dude

glad robin
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Lol it's OK money comes and goes

mossy venture
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I didn't expect you to go off and buy one this second

glad robin
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When you die you can't bring that money with you

mossy venture
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You can bring it into tommorow

glad robin
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So spend it while you can

mossy venture
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That logic is how lottery winners end up broke and homeless

late fjord
glad robin
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@mossy venture haha well I didn't say go gamble

empty pollen
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that 850w psu for a 3050 made my day

mossy venture
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Yeah lol

analog pulsar
rugged sparrow
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My friend wants to build a pc and has picked out his parts

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he wants to get a 3080 graphics card

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I want to know if anything should be changed

obsidian wigeon
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If this is for gaming

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The build has quite a few bad value items

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This or get 5800x3d instead

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oop forgot about psu

rugged sparrow
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ok thank you

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what psu should he get

obsidian wigeon
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The one in this list

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850w isn't a need at all for 3080

toxic wraith
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yo foxy

rugged sparrow
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👍

toxic wraith
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is a thermal take psu good

obsidian wigeon
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which one?

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tt tends to make meh psus

still roostBOT
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Pheeny#3166 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

toxic wraith
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Bro?

obsidian wigeon
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huh

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dm me the link

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oh the link included an f word

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lmao

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that's coincidental af

toxic wraith
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it did?

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oh i see

obsidian wigeon
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it's the same price as leadex iii gold

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get that instead

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gf1 is b tier

toxic wraith
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yeah im pretty sure someone told me tto get either leadex iii or tt

rugged sparrow
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how much better is an r7 5700x to a i7-9700k

obsidian wigeon
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a lot

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i don't remember how much but it is a big upgrade

toxic wraith
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why is the 850w psu so much more expensive than the 750w

rugged sparrow
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my friend has an i7-9700k from his old pc and was wondering if it would bottleneck the 3080

obsidian wigeon
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9700k is still fine with a 3080

obsidian wigeon
toxic wraith
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isnt the 4080 12gb just a 4070

obsidian wigeon
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ye

toxic wraith
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ok

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who is borg

obsidian wigeon
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it's just a meme going around with escanor

toxic wraith
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oh

obsidian wigeon
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Not bad

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Pretty decent actually

toxic wraith
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Im still not 100 percent on the gpu

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cuz im waiting on the 7000s series

stoic island
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I mean

obsidian wigeon
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7900xt probs gonna cost a lot too

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ah yeah might as well get new lol

toxic wraith
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Hm

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its the 6800xt

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tho

obsidian wigeon
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look into the link

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it's actually 6900xt

toxic wraith
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oh wait

obsidian wigeon
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yap

toxic wraith
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yeah

obsidian wigeon
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even if non sale it's 699

toxic wraith
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i got them mixed up

obsidian wigeon
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pretty good

toxic wraith
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i searched up the 6900xt multiple times

obsidian wigeon
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if you wait for 7000 radeon, you'll be looking to pay 1k+

toxic wraith
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I just forgot tbh

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oh fr???

obsidian wigeon
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yeah

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if you want top of radeon

toxic wraith
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what u think the 6900xt will be equivalent to

obsidian wigeon
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i honestly can't estimate

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but it's not that you're gonna miss out much when 7000 comes

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top end is still top end

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6900xt has a lot of power to run any single games

toxic wraith
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but at the same time when the new lineups come out wont the prices drop down a bunch

obsidian wigeon
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not much for new

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used definitely

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can probably see 6900xt for 500 soon

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even 3090 is dropping in used price

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a few can be had for only 699

toxic wraith
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isnt the 6900xt equivalent to the 3090

obsidian wigeon
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ye

toxic wraith
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except for rt

obsidian wigeon
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just not good rt

toxic wraith
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but who needs rt

obsidian wigeon
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and no dlss

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but i don't mind no dlss

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since it's still pretty powerful in itself

toxic wraith
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whats dlss

obsidian wigeon
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dlss is ai upscaler

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it upscales losslessly

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basically gives you free extra fps

toxic wraith
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oh'

obsidian wigeon
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with virtually no sacrifices

toxic wraith
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seems good

obsidian wigeon
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but it's not really that worth it to pay extra since the 6900xt destroys any games

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especially at 1440p

toxic wraith
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i see

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also

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doesnt 6900xt take significantly less power

obsidian wigeon
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ye

toxic wraith
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thats good

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really good

obsidian wigeon
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it can run with a 750w psu easily

toxic wraith
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but i heard that it gets hot

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and is a bit loud

obsidian wigeon
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nah

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especially not for the asrock phantom d

toxic wraith
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ohh

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ok

obsidian wigeon
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the loudness isn't a problem too

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but if it's still too loud you can adjust fan curve yourself

toxic wraith
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is corsair ram decent

obsidian wigeon
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they're usually meh

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only expensive ones are good

toxic wraith
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what about teamgroup

obsidian wigeon
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cheap and good

toxic wraith
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better than corsair?

obsidian wigeon
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they're better than corsair lol

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cause they're cheaper

toxic wraith
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oh

obsidian wigeon
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corsair is usually overpriced

toxic wraith
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cuz like

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i found the same performance but

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corsair is 5 bucks more

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but looks better

obsidian wigeon
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team group does have rgb ones

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if you want that

toxic wraith
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yeah

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im talking about that

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100 dollar teamgroup rgb

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105 dollar corsair

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rgb

obsidian wigeon
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it just depends if you like which better i guess

toxic wraith
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ok thanks

obsidian wigeon
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just 5 bucks is a small difference

toxic wraith
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im nervous for when i actually build it

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im afraid im gonna make a lot of mistakes

obsidian wigeon
#

eh just get into it and take your time

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it'll be fine

toxic wraith
#

cables are so confusing 😭

analog pulsar
#

Can I get a fan controller that I can plug into my pc to control how fast my fans spinning the leds

earnest olive
#

you can do that with openrgb with no extra hardware needed

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also, leds don't spin

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@analog pulsar

stoic island
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Probably talking about the wave effects with rgb

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Openrgb should let you control that

earnest olive
#

yeah, i got what he was talking about

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just wanted to mention that the leds do not spin

cyan ravine
#

They could if you held the middle of the fan and let the frame spin on some of them

flint sapphire
earnest olive
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i feel like it would

cyan ravine
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It should do, I feel like I've done it before lol

potent portal
#

You'd need to do it in a way that the wire doesn't twist and tangle

fallow pier
#

I'm looking for a nicer case for my ATX PC around £60 or less. Anyone got suggestions?

mossy venture
fallow pier
#

I've got some money now to grab a new PC case, because I wanna put my Pc on my desk when I switch up my setup

mossy venture
fallow pier
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ATX.

mossy venture
#

But matx

fallow pier
#

I'll try remember what case I've got ATM.

analog pulsar
#

Also like I said before openrgb doesn't work

earnest olive
#

probably just not using openrgb correctly

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fan hubs that offer rpm control exist

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why do you need it? not enough fan headers?

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could you do the job with splitters?

analog pulsar
earnest olive
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splitters aren't any less reliable than fan hubs as long as you aren't exceeding amperage limits

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in fact i would say fan hubs have more points of failure

analog pulsar
#

Well case has 10 fans slot I think

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3+3+3+1

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Mobo has max fan header is 6 but cpu aio taking 2

analog pulsar
earnest olive
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yeah you don't need fan hubs splitters would be enough

analog pulsar
#

Hm but I like hub design and all cables go into one thing

earnest olive
#

i have 12 fans and a pump running off of 6 headers

analog pulsar
earnest olive
analog pulsar
earnest olive
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argus monitor

analog pulsar
#

what do i need when i reinstall windows on a pc ik cpu drivers, gpu drivers, chipset driversd anything else

pale bane
frigid night
#

I might've done a thing..

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fossil cedar
cyan ravine
#

What da hecc 13th gen already in there

analog pulsar
#

I thought windows keys were tired to the mobo

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Bc my pc isn't giving me it

cyan ravine
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You can tie it to your account if you sign into windows before you reinstall

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Or just re-enter the key

fossil cedar
potent portal
analog pulsar
potent portal
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Did you use an OEM key or a retail key

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Because OEM is single activation and can't be transferred

analog pulsar
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i think

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i built my pc

potent portal
#

Was the key itself OEM or retail

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A good clue to that is where you got it

analog pulsar
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idk remeber when i bought the laptops

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i was just stealing the keys off them

potent portal
#

Windows 7 keys off an old laptop?

analog pulsar
#

11

potent portal
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That's OEM then

analog pulsar
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hm idk i just selected changed hardware and i would get the key lol

potent portal
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It should activate just fine as long as it's on the same motherboard with OEM

analog pulsar
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but i removed the laptops from my microsoft account bc i didnt have them anymore

near gorge
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Hi! I am looking for a mid-tower PC case that has either a removable power supply cage or easy access when I need to plug or unplug a cable from the back of the power supply. All this without removing the power supply, disconnecting anything from the motherboard, or having to remove the front baffle.

can you definitely point me to links on your website for PC mid tower cases that do NOT restrict the power supply when I need to add drives, or remove them, and thus having to plug or unplug from the power supply easily? So many cases hide the power supply under the cage in the case, and you cannot get easy access to the power supply. i do not like that. it makes no sense

potent portal
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The keys are still bound to that motherboard

near gorge
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Thank you in advance for your above help. Kindly appreciate it

analog pulsar
potent portal
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All you have to do is take off the top cover

near gorge
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nice. i just need easy access to the back of the power supply. so many cases restrict this so much, and it is frustrating. LOL

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Fractal Design Torrent Black E-ATX Tempered Glass Window High-Airflow Mid Tower Computer Case

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that is what i noticed

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good?

potent portal
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Yep, there's lots of variations

near gorge
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thank you very much Fal'Cie

potent portal
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Including choice of glass tint level or just a solid metal panel

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Happy to help

near gorge
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i like the tempered glass personally. you are very kind. thank you

pale vigil
#

Hi all! I'm getting ready to build a computer for the first time. I was wondering if anybody might take a look at my parts/plans and see if I'm headed down a good path, or if I've made some obvious error. A killer CPU with good single and multi-core performance is my main goal with this build. https://newegg.io/028ee74

Sorry for the long message 🙂 I'm building this for audio work. My current laptop gets crushed under the workload (4 physical cores, ~8000 cpu benchmark on cpubenchmark.net). Once the CPU gets maxed out, I have to spend a lot of time rendering down audio tracks so that I can keep working and/or writing. Far from ideal. Something about twice as fast would be manageable most of the time, but I want as good of a CPU as I can get before I get much cost diminishing returns. Unfortunately, single-core performance is critical, as well as multi-core performance. I'm still considering a faster cpu than the i7-12700.

I'm wondering if I need an upgraded cpu cooler. I expect constant high CPU loads for hours rather than large spikes here and there.

My integrated graphics on the laptop is good enough so I'll stick to that. 16 Gb ram has sufficed so far, but I do see Cubase filling about 10 Gb ram sometimes, and the workload will get more intense in the future. Unfortunately, the computer also needs to run rather quiet. Hense the quiet case. I'm also hoping to be able to upgrade this for many years as needed, which is why I opted for ddr5 and pci 5 and 4.

For anybody else doing audio work, I'm expecting (on the higher end) >100 tracks, >100 plugins total, several cpu intense amplifier simulations, virtual drums, and sometimes many other virtual instruments, all operating at once. The less rendering/freezing tracks I have to do, the faster and better my work is. It's 2022, so I might as well leverage CPU as much as I can to save my time.

jolly grotto
#

hey, I just bought a new custom pc and it didn't come with bluetooth or wifi card. what's the best way for me to add it?

mossy venture
#

And country

mossy venture
jolly grotto
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can you send me the link? ty

mossy venture
#

I dont know wifi cards well so I don't really know what to suggest off the top of my head, if @potent portal or @earnest olive aren't busy one of them would know better than me

earnest olive
#
  1. go to pcpartpicker
  2. go to choose wireless network adapter
  3. if usb, just filter by wifi 5 and grab the cheapest one
  4. if pcie, filter by pcie x1 wifi 6 and look for intel ax2##
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that's all there is to it

mossy venture
#

Thanks sips

earnest olive
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np

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@pale vigil 13th gen comes out on october 20

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with better single core and better multi core

jolly grotto
#

pcie will be more reliable and get more gbps then a usb? or it's the same.

earnest olive
#

just grab a 13700K when it comes out

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pcie is generally going to be better but a bit costlier

pale vigil
earnest olive
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$30-40 for pcie wifi 6 vs $10-20 for usb wifi 5

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I don't know if wifi 6 usb adapters exist but I would not bother

mossy venture
earnest olive
#

if you are going for usb adapter you are already settling

mossy venture
earnest olive
#

I know that audio work is latency sensitive

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is it bandwidth sensitive?

mossy venture
#

and do you need built in wifi?

earnest olive
#

might want to go for 13700K + ddr4

pale vigil
jolly grotto
#

get AMD not intel.

earnest olive
#

the msrp will be a bit higher due to inflation

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but you can already see preorder pricing on newegg and such

mossy venture
#

why is my pcpartpicker being weird

earnest olive
#

for $1500 with no gpu needed it will be no trouble to afford a 13700K or even 13900K

mossy venture
#

it's excluding a ton of mobos with only cpu and heatsink selected

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ohhh bios

earnest olive
mossy venture
pale bane
jolly grotto
earnest olive
#

lol

mossy venture
earnest olive
#

you been watching too many youtube videos from 2018

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have you seen the pricing of am5 boards?

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great value

jolly grotto
#

i have a TR and a 5950x

mossy venture
#

12th gen dethroned 5000 series both in terms of performance and price/perf

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and 7000 series is laughable

earnest olive
#

and your 5950x will get crushed in the single core perf that he needs

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5950x already loses to 12th gen single core

jolly grotto
#

my workload is higher but even if I were to buy any pc i'd always go AMD

earnest olive
#

keep coping though

pale vigil
jolly grotto
earnest olive
#

lol ok

#

you haven't seen ryzen 7000 yet huh

mossy venture
#

would you prefer small, or does it not matter

earnest olive
#

ryzen 7000 is literally getting outsold by intel's 10th gen and 11th gen because it's so bad value

mossy venture
#

oh and lastly looks, do you like rgb and the such, or do you want it subtle

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or don't care

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oh wait i lied one more question, do you plan to ever add a gpu?

jolly grotto
pale vigil
earnest olive
#

you either buy 5800x3d or wait for 7800x3d

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ryzen 7000 is dead on arrival for any gaming rig

mossy venture
#

only reason to go 7000 series is for 7950x in multi core, and even then 13900k will likely beat it or get damn close while being cheaper and having cheaper mobos

earnest olive
#

5800x3d at mindfactory almost sold 3 times as much as the entire ryzen 7000 stack last week

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lmao

earnest olive
#

going intel will save you a lot of money there

#

am5 ddr5 only

pale vigil
mossy venture
#

or is 3200c16 fine

mossy venture
earnest olive
#

3600c16 only if K cpu

jolly grotto
#

I only use my pcs for simulation and visualization workstations. If I wanted a gaming pc or a laptop I'd still only buy AMD. Intel has a high premium for what you get.

mossy venture
earnest olive
pale vigil
fossil cedar
earnest olive
#

intel started winning in value gaming since 10th gen

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3600 vs 10400f

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lmao

mossy venture
earnest olive
#

please don't spread misinformation in a help channel, try watching youtube drivel from 2022 instead of 2018

mossy venture
#

whats the issue with pa120 se?

fossil cedar
fossil cedar
mossy venture
#

ahh right i remember now

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is the non se fine?

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felix mentioned it the other day, just forgot about it

#

3600c16 might be worth the extra depending on how latency sensetive the workload is, I'm not knowledgeable with that type of software

jolly grotto
mossy venture
pale vigil
#

The reason I started with an Intel build is because there is a lot of instability in audio programs. My Mac crashes a lot even running well established programs. And it can be expensive to buy updates for some audio programs, including for updated CPU types. Very unfortunate, but it is what it is.

I should have added, having really great stability is key for me. Programs crashing consumes tons of time.

I figured, my programs were probably tested a little more on Intel than Amd.

But a lot of people are saying amd runs just as stable for them... Idk.

mossy venture
#

xeon isn't exactly aimed to be a TR competitor lol

jolly grotto
#

EPYC v Xeon

mossy venture
#

but considering the 5950wx costs 15k to make

mossy venture
#

not only that but when did we start talking about server pcs

#

you made the claim AMD is always better value than Intel for gaming

jolly grotto
#

nah in general for everything in my opinion.

mossy venture
#

opinions are different from fact

#

and the fact is, performance and prices prove you wrong

analog pulsar
#

@potent portal fal you told me to get amd but what about chance of USB drop out ????? 👀

mossy venture
#

also i'd wait a few days after launch date for 13th gen, if you can

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just to get performance reviews for 13600k and 13700k

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but if you need it asap, and oct 20th is the latest you can wait without your work suffering too much, go for it

paper summit
analog pulsar
jolly grotto
paper summit
mossy venture
paper summit
#

Well u alr have an intell board so yea

analog pulsar
#

Also we all know Intel better for gaming "said theo"

jolly grotto
mossy venture
jolly grotto
#

which is the new one?

mossy venture
#

13th gen releases in 10 days

analog pulsar
mossy venture
#

12th gen has been out for a year

paper summit
#

Ohh ok

pale vigil
#

I hadn't thought about ram latency holding things back. Interesting!

For perspective, I'm used to seeing ~10 ms latency, with ~3 ms being as good as I could hope for. I'm not sure if ram latency is going to be a bottleneck.

A quick look at other peoples tests (lots to unpack!) shows ddr5 outperforming ddr4 even in the lowest latency settings (processing 64 bits/bytes at once). https://vi-control.net/community/threads/dawbench-2021-suite-intel-12th-gen-results.118203/

But there is probably much more to it.

mossy venture
#

12900k is 24 core iirc, lmao

analog pulsar
#

also the top slot has a screw stuck in ssd hole

mossy venture
stoic island
#

16 core

jolly grotto
analog pulsar
mossy venture
stoic island
#

8+8

fossil cedar
mossy venture
#

right, it's 24 threads

fossil cedar
#

13900k is 24 core

jolly grotto
#

32 threads

stoic island
#

12900k is 24 threads

analog pulsar
stoic island
#

8 + 8

#

8p 8e

fossil cedar
#

Yes ik

jolly grotto
stoic island
#

don't even know what your point is

fossil cedar
#

And the 12900k is equal to or beats it in multi threaded and dominates in single thread

analog pulsar
stoic island
#

ipc

#

5ghz 5950x will probably still lose to 5ghz p core 12900k

analog pulsar
#

Oh

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Well then

stoic island
#

dunno what's stock for e cores, don't pay attention to their frequency behavior

pale vigil
# mossy venture If going ddr5, you'd want to invest in a bit higher end of a kit

Ah interesting. Is it the ram or motherboard that's the problem there? I'd also be fine with getting a better set of ddr5 ram. But really, that's mostly so I don't run into problems many years down the road when I want to add in more ram and ddr5 has become the "old" kind of ram. If I'm better off putting that money into the cpu though and getting ddr4, and if ddr4 is still around for many years...

analog pulsar
jolly grotto
stoic island
#

you just don't use it for gaming

mossy venture
#

though i would recommend coming back when you're about to buy

#

as prices fluctuate daily

fossil cedar
#

On the 12900k its 3.2 ghz but I've heard easy oc's to 4.2

analog pulsar
stoic island
analog pulsar
#

Yea

stoic island
#

thread scheduler

#

tells games to not use e cores

#

e cores aren't disabled

analog pulsar
#

Windows so smart

stoic island
#

other tasks are pushed onto e cores

analog pulsar
#

Oh nice

mossy venture
analog pulsar
#

Wouldn't Intel be better for everyone then

mossy venture
#

but that's what im looking at for the build rn

jolly grotto
mossy venture
#

try gaming on that 3970x and comparing it to a 12400f

analog pulsar
stoic island
mossy venture
#

or 12100f for the matter lol

stoic island
#

cyberpunk is wacky now

#

w dlss 12900k will probably pull ahead

jolly grotto
#

as long as it can work with a samsung odyssey monitor it is good enough.

stoic island
#

any time you're not GPU bound 12900k will win

analog pulsar
#

Well it is lol

stoic island
#

I just don't care what company I buy from, whatever performs better for the price, I'll buy

analog pulsar
jolly grotto
#

i don't care either but 90% of money I spend on pc will go towards processor (cores) and ram.

stoic island
#

so just do that, who cares about amd or intel

pale vigil
jolly grotto
mossy venture
#

Psu is for gpu later on

stoic island
#

mainly look at GPU power draw

mossy venture
#

That build would run on a 350w fine

stoic island
mossy venture
#

And cheaper mobo options

#

And similar or better performance

#

If 7950x3d comes out sooner rather than later that'd be a good choice

jolly grotto
mossy venture
#

And?

analog pulsar
mossy venture
#

Core count means nothing when comparing different architectures

#

Especially when they're not even the same company lol

stoic island
#

anyways lets see what performs better

jolly grotto
stoic island
#

12900k outperforms 5950x most of the time

#

I mean that's just zen 3

#

13900k will be a better arch than 12900k

#

where 12900k already can beat 5950x

#

a zen 3 chip

#

we'll have benchmarks soon

cyan ravine
jolly grotto
#

what does # of performance cores and # of efficient cores mean

jolly grotto
#

G9

cyan ravine
#

There's no gpu out (yet) that can appropriately utilise a G9 neo in all situations

analog pulsar
cyan ravine
#

No

jolly grotto
#

I heard it had less dead pixels or was manufactured better though could've been a shill.

cyan ravine
#

Not AAA

#

Long way from AAA

analog pulsar
jolly grotto
#

think i'm running it on 60hz lol

cyan ravine
analog pulsar
#

Kinda handle it in certain situations

potent portal
cyan ravine
#

G9 is almost on the same terms as 4K 144Hz territory

#

Well, this G9

jolly grotto
analog pulsar
cyan ravine
#

A 4090 would do it, maybe 4080 16gb

#

Tho reviews will tell that whole story

potent portal
jolly grotto
cyan ravine
#

I would pick the regular with QLED over the mini-LED one tho

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I am hooked to QLED rn

#

Mini-LED one is supposed to have bloom issues

jolly grotto
#

i actually have the old samsung odyssey g9 see there is a ARK now. probably why mine was so discounted

cyan ravine
#

G9 Neo is a 2022 monitor isn't it lol

#

Pretty insane monitor even if it's the non-neo

jolly grotto
cyan ravine
#

That's still not old lol

#

We haven't finished 2022 yet

jolly grotto
mossy venture
jolly grotto
#

this is the new one.

mossy venture
#

Performance is what matters, not core count

jolly grotto
#

it sounds like false advertising to me 😄

mossy venture
#

In 10 years an 8 core cpu will destroy a 12900k or 5950x

cyan ravine
mossy venture
#

And e cores are explained as what they are

#

Theyre actuallt very good at improving multi core performance

cyan ravine
#

E cores are quite good at what they do, they may not have hyperthreading but still really good

jolly grotto
#

anyone bought one these ARKS?

#

I want to see one in-person

potent portal
#

4 e-cores fit into the space that a full p-core takes, so they're fitting 4 threads where before only 2 were.

cyan ravine
#

Also while we're here, there's been a die leak iirc of an all P core design for HEDT coming up

potent portal
#

They're roughly 60% power compared to p-cores so it's a net gain of some significance

cyan ravine
#

13900K about to double that significance too

pale vigil
#

Alrighty, thanks for the suggestions! I'm going to start with Bacca's list and pay attention to what happens in the next month regarding the next Intel processors and go from there.

jolly grotto
pale vigil
#

Re the amd versus intel situation, I spent some time looking through similar priced and competing amd and intel options, and consistently found a higher single core performance and even usually higher parallel performance with the intel options (on cpubenchmark.net). I was hoping initially to go AMD though lol. Knowing that in audio production, single-core performance is more likely to be what stops a project from running, Intel to me seems the way to go for now for audio people.

mossy venture
#

Ubm is really bad, I wouldn't use them

#

I'd use passmark instead

cyan ravine
#

Cpu monkey isn't too bad either

mossy venture
#

Mm

cyan ravine
#

They collate a number of results

potent portal
mossy venture
#

Cpumonkey would be my second choice, their sites a lil annoying to deal with but they are accurate

pale vigil
mossy venture
mossy venture
#

Passmark is very reliable and trustworthy

#

They go by actual results and not guesses like ubm

potent portal
#

"Guesses" are being generous for what they use

stoic island
mossy venture
#

Oh mb

pale vigil
#

Nice! At least a few people in the audio community seem to be finding results consistent with the passmark scores as well.

stoic island
#

They're the old bois so they got the good domains

jolly grotto
stoic island
#

uh?

#

5600x is the better buy

potent portal
stoic island
#

each core on the 5600x is just too much faster

mossy venture
jolly grotto
#

6 cores would be max cpu usage from a tiny workload though.

mossy venture
#

In what world

stoic island
#

what

jolly grotto
#

it's to little.

mossy venture
#

I dont think you understand how cpus work

stoic island
mossy venture
#

My 6 core 3600 is overkill for my 3060 ti at 1080p

potent portal
#

Look at the multicore scores, not the core count, when talking about multicore loads

jolly grotto
#

i would just spend the extra money and grab a 5950x

stoic island
#

.........

jolly grotto
#

6c 12t is like a laptop

stoic island
#

weren't we talking about 1900x vs 5600x

cyan ravine
#

Cores and threads are not how you count power these days. it's a good indicator but not the whole picture

stoic island
#

if you have the cash to throw at a 5950x, sure, go ahead

potent portal
stoic island
#

but between 1900x and 5600x, 5600x is better

cyan ravine
#

5600 over that

jolly grotto
#

if the cpu has 4.0ghz+ of speed it won't be noticeble.

stoic island
#

ipc

#

ipc is completely separate from clocks

jolly grotto
#

i'd push cores and threads to get max usage from it

potent portal
jolly grotto
#

for my workload.

cyan ravine
#

GHz between different cpus doesn't mean anything

stoic island
#

what is your workload

cyan ravine
#

Too many variables

jolly grotto
stoic island
#

what exact software

jolly grotto
#

i sent a SS earlier i'm maxing out a 3970x

potent portal
#

Look up any benchmarks of your software and you'll see the differences are exactly as we've said

jolly grotto
potent portal
#

Core count doesn't matter for that if the cores themselves are so much stronger

jolly grotto
#

softwares multithreaded

potent portal
#

Still doesn't matter

jolly grotto
#

it benches higher bro ,.

#

not even OC'd

potent portal
#

If you have 30% fewer threads but the cores are 75% stronger there's no debate there

jolly grotto
#

let's see the benchmarks for piosolver Edge when the 13th gen intel comes out

cyan ravine
#

Can I just mention rn it's very realistic that a 13900K will be able to achieve better multi-thread than a 3970X

#

Maybe with an OC but that has some 2/3 the threads

potent portal
#

7950X beats the 3970X easily so that's very possible

jolly grotto
potent portal
#

And that's with half the cores

cyan ravine
#

Yeah a 7950X has even less cores

#

But Zen 4 is a meme

potent portal
#

So far it is due to the early adopter tax

stoic island
#

welp, benchmarks for random gambling tools is kinda obscure

#

so here's a general AI benchmark for you ig

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fossil cedar
#

Zen4 prices are a meme and ddr5 on top of that is laughable

stoic island
#

protein simulation for fun ig

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cyan ravine
#

But this gap could realistically be closed

Screenshot_20221011-0856582.png
#

I mean even in that, a newer threadripper with less cores is keeping up

#

It's not all about cores and threads

jolly grotto
potent portal
#

If all you care about is maximum multi core power get an epyc

stoic island
#

5950x is just not the best rn

#

and no real 13900k benchmarks rn

#

5950x boards are just really badly priced

#

AMD decided to release x670 without launching b650

potent portal
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They're going down with the B650 launch this week

jolly grotto
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any pre-built or custom builtpcs with 128gb ram come with 7950x?

stoic island
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hopefully those prices are more reasonable

cyan ravine
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Please don't buy a prebuilt zen 4

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That sounds like the quickest way to evaporate a few extra hundred

potent portal
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120mm AIO on 7950X kekw

cyan ravine
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Most likely yes

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Lmao

stoic island
jolly grotto
stoic island
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:p

cyan ravine
potent portal
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I'm not joking about doing epyc for AI-like tasks btw

jolly grotto
potent portal
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Epyc mops the floor with everything in multicore

cyan ravine
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Epyc go brrrr

stoic island
jolly grotto
stoic island
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but anyways

jolly grotto
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dual TR is rumored

potent portal
stoic island
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dual tr is pretty unlikely

potent portal
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Dual socket is mostly a server space thing

stoic island
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just not enough io in general

potent portal
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TR is HEDT

jolly grotto
potent portal
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Yo WHAT
Epyc is getting vcache
768MB L3 per socket

potent portal
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Current one is already at its limit

stoic island
cyan ravine
jolly grotto
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then what was this about

stoic island
potent portal
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A rumor

stoic island
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so uh

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someone screwed with the number

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or it was a software bug

potent portal
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Something something salt and grains

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There's fake leaks all the time

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One guy was even trying to make it obvious the leaks were fake to prove a point and he still got quoted a bunch

thorny flint
mossy venture
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Gpu and psu went way up in price

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Ik you said you bought the gpu alr, assumably at the lower price, if you haven't bought psu yet I'd get a diff one

potent portal
thorny flint
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need wifi tho

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no ethernet

potent portal
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It does have wifi

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That's what the AC in the name means

mossy venture
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Wait asrock does the same thing gigglebyte does?

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Weirdos

cyan ravine
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Does that have a bios flash

potent portal
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No

cyan ravine
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5600?

potent portal
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That is a valid concern but easy to get around with a $10 athlon

cyan ravine
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There's a b450 iirc that has a bios flash I found recently

potent portal
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And I bet it's either more expensive or doesn't have wifi

cyan ravine
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No wifi no but you might break lower than the msi vdh

potent portal
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It's $10 less and then you'd have to get a $20 wifi card

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Breaks about even

cyan ravine
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Just saying for next time lol