building-and-recc-chat

[dim forge]

yeah, but lga1200 mobos are cheaper

[potent portal]

It also will make 0 difference using a gtx 1070

[little osprey]

🤔

Fair point

[potent portal]

So you might as well go for cheaper platform if money is a concern

[little osprey]

True

It's only two generations old, it can't be that bad

[fossil cedar]

12100 is a bit better in gaming

10400 is a bit better in multicore

[fossil cedar]

But 12100 is more expensive

[little osprey]

For the platform yes, however the CPU itself, no

Hmmm, one second

Well, I'm gonna ask again, would there be a decent AMD option?

[potent portal]

5500 but it costs more

[fossil cedar]

No igpu tho

[potent portal]

That too

[little osprey]

You sure?

[fossil cedar]

Cpu itself is about sane price

[potent portal]

5600g is the one with igpu

[little osprey]

How much would a motherboard be for it?

[potent portal]

That links to Amazon where it's that price plus $14 shipping

[little osprey]

Amazon Prime

Wait, unless

[potent portal]

The seller doesn't qualify for prime

[little osprey]

Screw Jeff Bezos

One sec, BRB

[reef moss]

thank you!

[little osprey]

@potent portal, what does K mean in a Intel CPU?

[potent portal]

It can be overclocked on a Z sku board

They also tend to be clocked slightly higher out of the box

[little osprey]

Interesting, okay

Is a AMD Athlon 3000G anything special?

[potent portal]

Not really no

Super basic "only for browsing the web" kind of thing

[little osprey]

🤮

I'll keep looking, thanks though for helping

YK, maybe a 12100 or 10400 is just the best option for me IG

[fossil cedar]

Your best options for low cost cpus with an igpu is this @little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QHhwsX

Woops excpet non f

[little osprey]

Yeah

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/39dd9r

[little osprey]

Is KF a over clocked CPU with no iGPU?

[potent portal]

You might not even need new memory if that 7700 system has some

[potent portal]

Correct

[fossil cedar]

K isn't even worth your while

[little osprey]

Yeah, but someone told me Dell RAM sticks aren't the best

[potent portal]

Yeah Intel artificially locks out overclocking to a premium price for almost no reason

[potent portal]

Better than nothing, you can get some different ones later if you really want.

[little osprey]

True, that'd save me $50

[fossil cedar]

It could be jedec tho :p

[little osprey]

@fossil cedar @potent portal https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hMf3d9

[fossil cedar]

But still if you can put off till later

When are you getting the 1070?

[little osprey]

Around November or December

[fossil cedar]

Ah

[potent portal]

And? 2666 isn't really that bad

That would save money and a set of 3200 c16 would get like 10% more fps best case for $50

[fossil cedar]

Would do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/szY4GL

Although yeah bring forward the dell ram at least for thenmonent

[little osprey]

I already bought my SSD

That's the one part I already have

Bought it for $35

Thank you guys though

Your help means a lot

[fossil cedar]

I see

No prob

[mossy venture]

Does he need igpu though?

I thought he had a 1070

Otherwise ds3h ax and 12100f would be very similarly priced

[fossil cedar]

idk they said so

[mossy venture]

Ah ok

[fossil cedar]

they said wont be getting 1070 for a while

[little osprey]

Is going with the 10400 a bad choice?

If you're referring to me

[mossy venture]

If you need the igpu, it's fine

Otherwise I'd spend the $10 extra on 12100f and ds3h ax

[little osprey]

I would but money saving is important for me and I need the iGPU for until I get the 1070

I'm hoping the 1070 is a decent card as well

I haven't looked into it much

I'm just hoping I'm not making the wrong decision

I mean a two generation old CPU can't be that bad, right?

[potent portal]

It's not, don't let CPU benchmarks make it look bad because they intentionally make a CPU bottleneck to show scaling differences.

Most of the time you'll be GPU bound in the real world

[little osprey]

Why does Amazon sell it for more than the 12100?

[potent portal]

The 12100F is on clearance because the next gen is coming soon

12100 non-F is still $130

[little osprey]

Oh, but is the 10400 overpriced?

[dim forge]

Is it true that the i3 13xxx will be 6-core?

[potent portal]

No, it's technically a higher tier than the 12100 being an i5 instead of an i3

[potent portal]

No low end 13th gen is just rebranded 12th gen at a higher clock

[little osprey]

I thought i3, i5, i7, and i9 labels didn't mater?

[little osprey]

Also I was told the 10400 and 12100 wasn't too different

[potent portal]

They don't compare between generations, correct, but that's why the 10400 is still the price it is. It was higher priced at msrp.

[little osprey]

Oh

So I'm not overpaying if I buy from Amazon?

[potent portal]

Nope

Oh but wait what price is it? It's showing out of stock for me

[little osprey]

It's not out of stock, one sec

[potent portal]

If it's at $160 that's too high, B&H has it for $130 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1558681-REG/intel_bx8070110400_core_i5_10400_processor_12m.html

Free shipping and all that

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086MN38Q2?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[little osprey]

Well, that's what I was saying

[potent portal]

It's hard to judge if it's overpaying without saying what the price is lol

[little osprey]

I've never bought from B&H either

[potent portal]

They're reliable

[little osprey]

How long is it gonna be on sale?

My birthday is the 20th this month

So I'm hoping it's gonna stay at that price

[little osprey]

If if doesn't, I'll go with this

But the regular 12100

[potent portal]

Just keep an eye on this page for the lowest price https://pcpartpicker.com/product/X8snTW/intel-core-i5-10400-29-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8070110400

[little osprey]

👍

I'll make sure to come back here and ask once I get the cash from my birthday

But thanks again for the info

[mossy venture]

Thst would be why I said if you need the igpu it's fine

[little osprey]

Pretty sure the 12100 has better iGPU graphics than the 10400

But as far as performance I don't know which is better

[mossy venture]

Single core, 12100 slaps the 10400

Similar multi core iirc

Though ig with a 1070 won't matter much

[little osprey]

Yeah

I don't know, the motherboard for the 10400 is cheaper

[potent portal]

If money saving is the goal you can even get a B460 board instead of B560 and save even more

[little osprey]

Is there one with wifi?

And it's not absolute garbage?

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kktKHx/msi-b460m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-b460m-pro-vdh-wifi

Which I guess doesn't save you any money over this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCbTwP/gigabyte-b560m-aorus-pro-ax-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-b560m-aorus-pro-ax

[little osprey]

Yeah

[potent portal]

So yeah just go with the Aorus

[little osprey]

10400 isn't a crazy downgrade from a 12100, right?

[potent portal]

Not at all really, unless you're looking at using a 3090 ti with it

A 1070 will not care at all

[little osprey]

I don't have that money nor am I involved that much in PC's

I just want something that can run my games I listed earlier

War Thunder is the most demanding I can think of

[potent portal]

War Thunder seems to spread the CPU load out fairly well so the 10400 will be fine still

I see load on about 8 threads in the lobby

[little osprey]

iGPU or with the 1070?

I have no clue what threads are

[potent portal]

CPU threads are based on how many cores the CPU has. A modern quad core like the 12100 has 4 cores and 8 threads, while the 10400 has 6 cores and 12 threads.

Having more threads available to use in games that use a lot of threads like this means you can do more in the background without killing your fps.

So if a game wants to use 8 threads but you only have a cpu with 8 threads you won't be able to watch a youtube video while you game without losing some fps.

While if you have 12 threads youtube can just use one of the remaining 4 threads

[little osprey]

So the 10400 would be a better option for games?

If I just want to check out Discord and have it run in the background

[potent portal]

It depends on what games but overall I'd call them even

Especially if you're GPU bound which most games are

[inland parrot]

Already bought most of the parts

[little osprey]

Roblox, TF2, CS:GO, War Thunder, and Garry's Mod time to time

Maybe Minecraft

And WoT Blitz possibly

[mossy venture]

Overall nice

Few changes I'd make

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C9vcNc

[fossil cedar]

Decent but I'd do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xQJjLs

@inland parrot ^

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7wszW4

This is the list for the purchase items

[fossil cedar]

@inland parrot then just do my list but ignore for the parts already bought they're fine

[inland parrot]

@fossil cedar I might just go with the rmx psu because I never had problems with it and I am kind of scared to try other power supply models

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nKqgqm this is my Build btw

[potent portal]

Well if there's anything to have brand loyalty for at least it's that

RMx shouldn't be much more expensive anyway

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9gnWPX

[potent portal]

You may want the RM1000x for that, I've tripped protections on the 850 using a 3080 ti and 5800X.

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vbpq78 and it for vr and gaming

[potent portal]

Looks good to me

[inland parrot]

The motherboard, should I change it to atx instead of micro

[potent portal]

No need really unless you want to add a capture card or something later

[analog pulsar]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-ddr5-sticker-mayhem ooooof

[potent portal]

Wait aren't those the stickers that they put on there to AVOID RMAs

The ones warning about possible 5+minute first boot times

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FsfnTW/msi-pro-b660-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660-a-ddr4 @potent portal

[potent portal]

If you want it sure. It's mostly extra headers and slots you get.

[inland parrot]

True

[cerulean hatch]

could anyone tell me a good price i could sell a pc with a 1060 3 gb, i5-6500, 3 tb hdd + 128 gb ssd, 8 gb ddr3 ram and wifi 6e +bluetooth card?

in america.

probably 300 $ at most right?

i was gonna put it on craigslist or facebook marketplace

[potent portal]

$300 if you're lucky. List it for that and take $225-250 when someone tries to lowball you.

1060 3gb only goes for $60 right now

The rest is worth maybe $150

[cerulean hatch]

alright then. if i bundled it with a 28 in 4k monitor and a decent wireless keyboard and mouse, could i maybe sell it for 500?

[potent portal]

Probably

[cerulean hatch]

alright thanks

its a razer basilisk x hyperspeed and g613 keyboard so pretty good

the monitor is bottom tier but still big and 4k lol

[potent portal]

Mouse goes for $20 used and keyboard $40

So hopefully the bundle value helps you

You could do $300 without the monitor

[toxic wraith]

any good mobos that pair with the 12400f

[potent portal]

Any specific features you need like wifi?

[toxic wraith]

yep wifi would be preferred

is it yup or yep

[potent portal]

Either or

It's regional

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34kWGX/msi-pro-b660m-a-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-wifi-ddr4

[mossy venture]

b660m-a wifi or gigabyte b660 aorus pro ax if it's still $145, if you want white

[toxic wraith]

oooh

looks nice

[potent portal]

$5 more https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6ft9TW/gigabyte-b660m-aorus-pro-ax-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-aorus-pro-ax-ddr4

[toxic wraith]

is that better

[mossy venture]

i love the look of the aorus pro

[potent portal]

Mostly cosmetic differences

[mossy venture]

similar, won't notice much of a diff with a 12400f

i think the msi one has better vrms but i could be wrong on that

[still roost]

Pheeny#3166 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mossy venture]

would only really notice with a 12700 or 12900 anyways

[toxic wraith]

oh

uh

auros looks sick

ill do the auros pro

[potent portal]

Yeah the MSI was tested to work with a 12900k without power limits and didn't throttle

[toxic wraith]

yall think the 7800xt is gonna be 700 bucks

[potent portal]

But that's not something to worry about on a 12400

[mossy venture]

850-900 imo, but we won't know till release

[potent portal]

No clue, they haven't announced yet

[mossy venture]

7700xt is coming out soon

[toxic wraith]

ooh

when?

[mossy venture]

well, soon TM

do we have a release date fal?

[potent portal]

™️

[toxic wraith]

alr bet

might cop that

[mossy venture]

last i knew it was either october or november, but i could be wrong

[potent portal]

Nov 3

[toxic wraith]

cant amd completely destroy nvidia rn

[mossy venture]

that's what we're hoping for

[potent portal]

No what AMD is doing is letting nvidia be crazy and take the high end at the cost of WAY higher cost and power

[mossy venture]

because if 4060 ti and 4070 at 900 and 1200 are what we've got as the options, or 4090 for 1600

[potent portal]

Meanwhile they're doing nearly as well with much less power

[mossy venture]

it's not looking too great

[toxic wraith]

nvidia prices are crazy

[potent portal]

There's room in AMDs stack for a 7950XT or 7970XT that they just slam all the power into like nvidia is doing but I think that's unlikely

[toxic wraith]

what is NAVI

[potent portal]

It's a codename for the architecture

[toxic wraith]

oh

[toxic wraith]

does the 12400f come with a stock cooler or do i have to buy a seperate cooler

[mossy venture]

it does

[little osprey]

Forgot to ask, what about the 10400?

[mossy venture]

it does

[little osprey]

Thank you ❤️

[toxic wraith]

is it good enough to keep it at a good temp?

[mossy venture]

for gaming it's fine, a bit loud

if you want it quieter with decent temps, 214xt

if you want it quieter and low temps, peerless assassin 120 se.

[toxic wraith]

alr thx

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GLpq78

Im most likely gonna get a 7700xt

[inland parrot]

Any thoughts

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

it's good

[stoic island]

iirc its same price as this rn and I'd grab this rn
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Q2XGYKK

[inland parrot]

Final list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vCcdgb

[little osprey]

@mossy venture, hate to ask and sorry for the ping

But

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553059?

I found a case I like

[mossy venture]

it's good

[little osprey]

It's only $63

It gets three front 120mm pre-installed fans

[mossy venture]

.

[empty pollen]

[little osprey]

@mossy venture, @potent portal, final revision, any last words before I start buying parts this month?

This is on a Google Doc BTW

[mossy venture]

looks good

[toxic wraith]

is it integrated graphics

Nvm i shoudnt say anything

i dont know that much

[little osprey]

Both CPU options have an iGPU just as a backup if the used GPU I'm getting fails on me

Also I'm probably not gonna get the GPU until around November or December

[toxic wraith]

oh

what gpu are u gettnig?

[strong raft]

Tbh I'll say 12100, then at the least you have the future option to do a way better upgrade than what 10400 would ever allow (the sockets allow*)

[empty pollen]

same, 12th gen better for upgradeability

best case scenario you could upgrade to 13th gen in a couple years

while the 10th is plain dead 😛

[inland parrot]

850w is more than enough for the 3080 for vr and gaming

[toxic wraith]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GLpq78 any improvements that can be made?

im prob going for the 7700xt or 7800xt instead

[mossy venture]

I'd get g360a, and I'd probably get an 850 for a 7700xt, just in case. They might not follow the same namings as current gen, so 7700xt could next gens 7800xt or 7900xt for all we know

[toxic wraith]

i was being a dumbass and already bought it but i got it for 80

[mossy venture]

Still a good case

[toxic wraith]

Ok thx

[toxic wraith]

So just 850w psu and I’m good

[fossil cedar]

Only 25$ 💀

Seems a bit steep to go from one of the best psus to one of the best psu's lol

[little osprey]

Nope

Mhm

I cleaned out the socket and then it worked, i think my GPU is dead now because nothing will display

There was thermal paste in my socket and i could feel that the CPU wasn’t getting hot but now with it clean it is

[fossil cedar]

Are you connected to the gpu and not the motherboard slot

[little osprey]

1070

[little osprey]

I'm mainly looking at the 10400 because it's on sale and for the GPU I'm getting, I don't think it's gonna care what CPU I have that's newer than it

But if the 10400 goes back to $160, I'll get the 12100

That gives me a thought

Is the 11400 a good option for $170?

[mossy venture]

No

[little osprey]

Because when the 10400 isn't on sale, it's usually $160

[mossy venture]

The 5600 is cheaper

[little osprey]

Is the 11400 garbage?

[potent portal]

Not worth the extra cost

[little osprey]

Oh

IG the 12100 is gonna be my best friend for now

[jagged ember]

12100 good for price

See intel best for gaming

[little osprey]

12100 my beloved

Well anyways I'm gonna take this apart tonight and learn a bit about computers

Probably gonna stream in VC since I'm gonna need guidance if I can get some

I'm stupid

Because Iowa hicks hit different

[toxic wraith]

how get rgb for chep

[toxic wraith]

does this have rgb

[strong raft]

Does if you get the rgb version.

[weary galleon]

IIRC 214xt $20 with rgb, 120se $20 no rgb or $25 with rgb

Actually rgb version is on sale for $23

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Assassin-AX120-TL-C12C-Bearing/dp/B09S31J64R/

[dire dagger]

Yo can I get any help I was playing a game on the pc and it crashed out of nowhere after I reset it when I turned it on it’s makes 3 beeping sounds and doesn’t display on my monitor

Is the ram dead

[toxic wraith]

this better than the 214xt

?

[strong raft]

Close enough. Better heatsinks have 5 or 6 heatpipes, but that's about it

[short yoke]

should my 9 5900x running at a constant 91 C (Max) with max graphics while gaming worry me

it idles <40C

[potent portal]

What cooler?

[short yoke]

360mm capellix

[flint sapphire]

sounds like a remount

[potent portal]

And double check that you peeled the plastic off the bottom of the cold plate while you're at it

You'd be amazed how often people forget that

[short yoke]

cold plate ?

[potent portal]

The metal part that touches the CPU

It'll be either nickel plated or exposed copper

[short yoke]

oh it came with thermal paste pre applied

was just a bigger plastic cover on top to make sure it wasnt bothered

[dire dagger]

Yo can I get any help I was playing a game on the pc and it crashed out of nowhere after I reset it when I turned it on it’s makes 3 beeping sounds and doesn’t display on my monitor

Is the ram dead

[icy crater]

How much is this pc worth used?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wpgdgb

[worn wave]

GTX 970 is around $100 on eBay and so is the i7-4970k.

[toxic wraith]

Ohs hit

[still roost]

Pheeny#3166 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[toxic wraith]

oh

48975760e78558ed3e27ffbbde23842e

[mossy venture]

Maybe 300?

Ssd and psu would be worth more parted out imo

[icy crater]

It was just the price he bought it at.

[toxic wraith]

what are some good rgb strips

[weary galleon]

the fan on the assassin 120 se is better, idk about the heatsink itself but it should be about as good

[hasty mountain]

hey yall i have a problem with my pc vga error light turning on can someone help 😀

[weary galleon]

Turn off PC and reseat gpu

[hasty mountain]

nvm i got it but ty

i plugged the display port into the wrong one heh

[next dock]

is sn520 good nvme

[frozen axle]

which one would be my m.2 LMAO

[strong raft]

Prime example of why you unplug extra drives during window install, but probably the bottom one. I still suggest your shutdown then unplug whichever you don't want windows installed to.

[analog hearth]

shut down the system and take out the drive(s) you DONT want to install Windows on. then, there’s only one option

[leaden mauve]

is the m.2 new?

if you just got it and installed it it'd be the one with no partitions lol

[frozen axle]

both the hdd and m.2 are new

[vivid copper]

no, old model and bad endurance.....

[leaden mauve]

why does one of the drives have a partition if its new

[analog hearth]

lmaoo

[next dock]

ok thanks

[frozen axle]

I have no clue it booted up like that

[leaden mauve]

🗿

[next dock]

💩

[strong raft]

btw on that other server(s) someone probably will tell you the same thing of unplugging the hdd during the windows install. edit: yes, when PC is powered down and not in use, lol.

[jagged ember]

definitely do not pull a drive out while installation is happening lol

[wary iris]

Can the NZXT kraken z53 240mm have a gif in it?

[obsidian wigeon]

No

I also wouldn't recommend that aio honestly

$300 for just 240mm is ridiculous

[wary iris]

Okay thanks

[potent portal]

Just get a b stock liquid freezer II for $60 and put the rest into a LCD screen, way cheaper and better performance https://youtu.be/RTdniu3gn3Y

[analog pulsar]

I installed windows on hard drive once and not ssd bc I selected the wrong one and they both had same number

[analog pulsar]

Yea it can

I'm pretty sure the Z series is controllable

[analog pulsar]

I thought the z73 360 was $300

Yea its $234 on nzxt website

[obsidian wigeon]

z53 can't play gif tho

it only displays status like temp and rpm

[analog pulsar]

Whaaaaaaaaat

https://tenor.com/view/miniion-what-wat-huh-shocked-gif-18092334

[visual maple]

hi, I recently took a break from using my pc and now, after a few months, I have started using it again and my CPU is overheating. It will run like 80 degrees on idle and 90-95 on a game, its not a thermal paste issue as I checked. The pump is working because when I feel the tubes they vibrate and I can feel the heat coming out of the fans so I'm not sure why its happening. If anyone could help thatd be great. I have a 3080, 5950x and my cooler is a corsair h100x. Also, for some reason my cooler won't show up in its software and I can't read aio pump speed in bios. Thanks. Any help appreciated.

[mossy venture]

I'm assuming this is celsius?

I'd make sure the fans in the aio are spinning

Also check the cable for the aio

[paper summit]

Actually love that build @austere condor

[mossy venture]

D15 deff a bit odd with the cpu, but can be certain you won't have temp issues lol

[obsidian dove]

yo anyone have a high speed 2tb+ ssd they recommend lmk thx! 😄

[mossy venture]

budget?

this is the best gen 4 ssd and it's on sale rn https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QVD9V7R/ref=twister_B09Z1QRS9G?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[obsidian dove]

under $150 preferably

@mossy venture sorry it also needs to be a Sata ssd my bad

[obsidian wigeon]

if sata, mx500

can't go higher than that

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R7FKHx/samsung-870-qvo-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-77q2t0bam

or mx500 yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

qvo is also good enough for sata

just depends on the price

[obsidian dove]

cool thanks @mossy venture yeah not bad seems like 150ish @obsidian wigeon

[paper summit]

Didnt even relize it was a pentium 💀💀

[strong raft]

Note qvo is qlc, so eh. "Chill" if you're wondering, the true competitor to mx500 is 870 EVO. Get whichever is cheaper. Mx500 is good though, I have 3.

[stuck sonnet]

For a gaming rig, what would you change?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j6BPhk

Max $ 2,300

[mossy venture]

Everything

I dont have time, pato will make you a list

[fossil cedar]

for 2300$ this is what i would do right now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dbVY8r
but I would highly recommend waiting for 13th gen on October 20th and 4090 dropping on the November for the 4080 16gb and doing something like this although changing some parts this is just a guess
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QnwVZw

[stuck sonnet]

@mossy venture everything? Dang it's that bad? I thought I'd done enough research lol

[fossil cedar]

It's pretty poor choices also windows is free and works just fine if you don't activate it

They're all pretty good if you ignore the prices but that's v important

[little osprey]

Would a 12400 be a better budget option than a 12100 if it's on sale?

[empty pollen]

the better budget option is th 12400f in any scenario

12100 is only worth on the extreme budget

[little osprey]

Fair enough, but I'd really like to have an iGPU

But I'll look into it

[empty pollen]

dont get me wrong, the 12100 is a very good cheap cpu, but with only 4 cores you are very limited on the amount of apps running at the same time

[pale bane]

What’s a good cooler for the 5800x3d?

Thinking of getting it but don’t wanna spend too much on the cooler

[fossil cedar]

Arctic liquid freezer ii 360mm or 420mm

[strong raft]

If you have an actual gpu, then tbh don't bother unless 12400 comes back at $150ish again.

[pale bane]

I would prefer an air cooler

[fossil cedar]

No air cooler can sufficiently cool it

[analog pulsar]

Hello so my friend is trying to run multiple instances on laptop but his computer is running a bit slow would a cpu or gpu I think it's cpu based game he has a i7 10th gen laptop with 6 cores 12 threads and the game name is Global MU Online he says when he opens a lot of them his computer starts to get laggy what do you recommend cpu upgrade is my guess

[dim forge]

quick helo

how do you clean a monitor

does normal alcohol work

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/69f8yK @fossil cedar hello pato if you could look over this the cpu and gpu need to stay but everything else can be changed for a cheaper price

its for a friend not for me

[empty pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HGvVZw

getting a 3600 kit on an non k cpu will risk a gear 2 on that kit

[analog pulsar]

change ram to 16GB

also power supply can be chnaged i feel like that price to high

[empty pollen]

you r right

you sure you want 16gb? i mean the 32 is 80usd

[analog pulsar]

Will 16GB make it any cheaper

[empty pollen]

yes, but instead of cutting the memory in half you can cut the cpu

a 12700f could suffice

[analog pulsar]

tbh idk he just told me he wants to open game a lot

idk what that game even is

never played it

[analog pulsar]

lets do that ig

[empty pollen]

you sure you want an aio?

you can cut a lot there as well

[analog pulsar]

well can 12700f survive wiothout one

ill have to ask him when he comes back after cal

[empty pollen]

yes

[analog pulsar]

he did say he wants RGB in pc

the aio would provide that

[empty pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Htm8yK

rgb on 8x2 sticks is just a waste

also if you want to upgrade memory speed like 3600+ you will need a K cpu... non K could potentially switch to gear 2 anything over 3200 because... intel ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fossil cedar]

Um budget and also rgb? And why does cpu and gpu need to stay? They're an awful pairing, also i would recommend them waiting 17 days and getting 13th gen instead

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar something about the game and opening it many times

Well he doesn't play many games that require high gpu

[empty pollen]

most games will require 4 maybe 6 cores

maaaaybe

12900 is a waste for gaming... heck even the 12700

[fossil cedar]

Even more reason to just get a 13600kf or 13700kf

[analog pulsar]

Well look at the game I mentioned like I said what he said is when he opens a lot of instances of game cpu goes to 100% and computer tseats to get slow

[empty pollen]

well you need the exact information

or bring him here

we dont know the exact game, nor how many instances of that game he opens

[analog pulsar]

I'll bring him here but he said he'll talk to you guys another time

[empty pollen]

imagine a guy doing heavy multiboxing on wow

thats an example

[fossil cedar]

Yeah no crap he's trying to launch multiple instances on a 6 core 10th gen laptop cpu

[analog pulsar]

Yea that's what I said

He seen some people have like 40 open at once

[empty pollen]

on that case it could be justified a 12900 or a 7950

and more than 32gb on memory

halving the memory to 16 but wanting more cores was just wth

[analog pulsar]

He says he's been playing game for 20 years 💀

[fossil cedar]

They're probably doing that on a threadripper lol

[analog pulsar]

Well idk how much ram he will actually need

[empty pollen]

and he is doing that on a trp then he obviously have the money to spare

[analog pulsar]

If you think 32 then alright

[empty pollen]

no

i think 32 is insufficient

[fossil cedar]

^

Sorry for pingy

[empty pollen]

no worries pato :3

but to advice him on anything lioke that we must know the exact situation

which game and how many instances

[analog pulsar]

https://muonline.webzen.com/en/main

[empty pollen]

imagine running multiple instances of civilization

[analog pulsar]

https://youtu.be/bg4xPOFFXGE

He wants to farm jewels ig

[analog pulsar]

Yea idk this is outside my scope

I just play space games haha

[empty pollen]

seems like a very light and old game

12700 + 32 should suffice for like 4 or even 6 instances at the same time

[toxic wraith]

214xt or assassin x120

[empty pollen]

pa120 se

wait... which cpu?

[toxic wraith]

this?

im thinking 12400f idkk

[empty pollen]

both will do the the job just fine

214xt is cheaper

12400f isnt a warm cpu

however if you have more money then pa120 se is better

[toxic wraith]

il g o with the pa120 se cuz its just 10 bucks and u said its better

[empty pollen]

it is

[dawn iron]

i just built a pc on the newegg app, does anyone know if i check the compatibility of the parts and see if there are better parts to pair it with

[empty pollen]

you can also use https://pcpartpicker.com/

easier to check there

go to pc builder

and choose your parts

[toxic wraith]

pcpart picker best no cap

[dawn iron]

bet bet ty

[empty pollen]

👍

[toxic wraith]

Im excited to get my parts and stuff

but im just waiting for the 7000s series

[analog pulsar]

what about running 40 ha

[little osprey]

Did they legit build the 12400 to be used for gaming specifically?

[empty pollen]

yes

[empty pollen]

40? he need a trp then

[little osprey]

Interesting, that makes me want to get it more

It's $175 on Newegg

[analog pulsar]

oh

[little osprey]

But if I go with the 12100F, that's $100

[empty pollen]

40 instances of that game at the same time means he make real money from that game... i dont think he wouldnt have the money for a threadripper system anyway

[dawn iron]

anyone got any cpu cooler suggestions

gaming

[empty pollen]

i mean... which cpu?

[dawn iron]

Ryzen 5 5600x

[empty pollen]

on air you can do a pa120 se or an ak620

[little osprey]

I'm very very interested in this, I'ma watch the video RQ and see how much this is gonna cost

[empty pollen]

on water, you can go liquid freezer2 240 or 360

[dawn iron]

ima do the air prolly

[toxic wraith]

doesnt

[empty pollen]

pa120se is very good, but the ak620 is a beast

[toxic wraith]

12400 come with an igpu and 12400f doesnt

[empty pollen]

choose the one that fit your budget

[dawn iron]

i looked up pa120 in the pc part picker and there are 7 options

[empty pollen]

yes, the F versions dont have igpu

[toxic wraith]

why are the unlocked cpus so expensive

wrong emoji

[empty pollen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ intel

[empty pollen]

black and whites, rgb and non rgbs

[dawn iron]

yea i just saw that lol

[empty pollen]

all of them perform the same

[dawn iron]

my bad

idrk anything ab cpu, motherboard, or power supply

[toxic wraith]

I love rgb

[dawn iron]

got the cpu out the way now i just need the other 2

[toxic wraith]

rgb makes me act up frr

[empty pollen]

country and budget and i can help you

[analog pulsar]

Oh okay well I got a number out of him he wants like 20 or something

[toxic wraith]

oh yeah

what are some good rgb strips to put in pc

[empty pollen]

20 is still quite a high number even for a 12900

[toxic wraith]

necessity for high fps

[dawn iron]

US and obv not the highest end but i want a good gaming pc

[empty pollen]

could probably pull 10 to 12 at a time on a 12900

[empty pollen]

who much you want to spend? also you need monitor on that budget?

[dawn iron]

i alr go the monitor picked out

budget for the whole thing maybe 2.5k

[empty pollen]

thats quite the buddget... one moment

[toxic wraith]

Thats enough for one third of a threadripper

[dawn iron]

lol fs

[toxic wraith]

why is the 3080 so expensive

[empty pollen]

no wait

[little osprey]

@empty pollen, I got a question, but I'll let you finish helping this dude out

[toxic wraith]

@empty pollen , I got a question, but I'll let you finish helping this other dude out aswell

[analog pulsar]

can i get a threadripper build so i can tell him price

[toxic wraith]

isnt a threadripper like 7.5k

[empty pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PwzY8r

[empty pollen]

yeah, now you need pato for that one 😛

there is no way for a 12900 to run 20 instances of that game nor to cheap on a system to perform that amount of tasks

[toxic wraith]

Help

im probs gonna get a 7700xtttt

oh wait

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PVw6PX

[dawn iron]

wait you just built one?

[analog pulsar]

Yea

[dawn iron]

that is only 1.6k tho

[toxic wraith]

idk u could prob get a better gpu

[dawn iron]

i mean im the noob with all this

i just got the money and want a gaming pc lol

[toxic wraith]

im not really experienced either

[empty pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9yKB78

[empty pollen]

i can go with more expensive parts, but those will have a lot of diminish returns... but ok

[toxic wraith]

rgbbbb

necessity for good fps

[dawn iron]

i mean if all the specs n stuff are good on this i can just add more storage

[toxic wraith]

and i think i already told you a few times but i um bought the case a while ago for 80

[dawn iron]

isnt that just light up

[toxic wraith]

yea

but

necessity for good fps

still

[dawn iron]

i would get rgb if i get water cooling

[toxic wraith]

i swear there was an rgb channel

[analog pulsar]

@empty pollen okay what you think 13900k can do

[toxic wraith]

Run fortnite

[empty pollen]

could be... have a lot more of cores

but we need the reviews for that

[little osprey]

@empty pollen, is there much of a difference between the 10400 and the 12400?

I'd like to go with the 10400 since it's cheaper and the motherboard is gonna be cheaper as welll

[toxic wraith]

If userbenchmark is correct then

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-10400/4122vs4073

[dawn iron]

btw what do you mean by diminish returns

[potent portal]

That's a big IF

!ubm

[still roost]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[toxic wraith]

Damn

glad i said if

Never take my word

[little osprey]

@toxic wraith, no worries

Thanks though for trying to look into it 🙂

[empty pollen]

means like you will get better parts, but the performance on games will be very very little

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FzfHbK

[little osprey]

Wait, what's the point of the K?

[toxic wraith]

unlocked

overclockkable

im 99 percent sure

[empty pollen]

to have better memory ocing and a better binned cpu

[little osprey]

I thought so too

[dawn iron]

so the diff between the first and second one

[little osprey]

One sec

[toxic wraith]

the ram the ssd

the psu

and some other things idk

[empty pollen]

mostly rgb, better memory speed, better drive speed... overall like 10 more fps

for like 1k more

[dawn iron]

they are both 32 g ram and 2 tb

[empty pollen]

speed is different

[little osprey]

@potent portal, for a budget of around $600, would the 10400 or 12400F be a better option

[toxic wraith]

different memory speed im pretty sure

3200mhz and 3600

for the ram

and diff brand

and rgb

[dawn iron]

10 fps for 1k

[empty pollen]

and pci gen 3 and 4 for the drive

[empty pollen]

thats what i meant with dimisinh reutrns

[dawn iron]

might just have to go with the 1.6k

[toxic wraith]

isnt the corsair vengeance

109 bucks for 3600

[empty pollen]

my choice as well

but you wanted to blow the full budget

[empty pollen]

c*rsair made meme memory sticks

[little osprey]

@empty pollen, would you know the answer to this at all?

[empty pollen]

plus they made 3800c18

[toxic wraith]

Wtf

meme memory sticks

[potent portal]

A less skewed comparison https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-12400-vs-Intel-i5-10400-vs-Intel-i5-11400/4677vs3737vs4233

[empty pollen]

12400f any day of the week

[dawn iron]

depends on if i wanna have the rgb bc you said it was rgb on the second one and i saw water cooling

[empty pollen]

if you dont have the money 12100 is better on gaming, 10440 is better on multitasking

[toxic wraith]

oh

so the 12400 is worth the extra 60

[potent portal]

$600 to spend on what exactly? What GPU will it be paired with

[empty pollen]

yeah the water cooling is a must on k cpus, they are hotter, and rgb 🙂

F cpus are a bit cooler

you can go air on F cpus and you will be fine

[toxic wraith]

u dont need to refill or dump out the liquid in water cooling right

ever

.unless

[empty pollen]

on aios no

[dawn iron]

what is fcpu

[toxic wraith]

isnt f

[empty pollen]

there are four types

[toxic wraith]

liek

no igpu

[empty pollen]

K, KF, Non-K, F non-K

F cpus dont have igpu, and K cpus are the oc versions

[little osprey]

1070, and the 1070 will be free, but I'm still gonna consider it as if I spent money on it

So more like around $450 IG

@empty pollen https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zNzY8r

Where could I cut costs on this list if I did go for 12400F?

I already bought the SSD, so really can't change that

[potent portal]

Only thing I can think of is dropping to a 12100F

[dawn iron]

so from pcpartpicker do i buy from amazon or build it on a website and just order it from there

[little osprey]

Mhm

[empty pollen]

and get a ck560 case

cheaper and 4 fans

[little osprey]

PCPartPicker is more of a organizer

[dawn iron]

bet

[little osprey]

I'm building my first PC too 😅

You'll learn a few things pretty quickly

[empty pollen]

you can click on every item as well and they will tell you where they can be found

[potent portal]

pcpp compiles prices from multiple sites and shows you the lowest. Once you have a list you can click the price to bring you to the website to buy it. It's usually from Amazon and Newegg, sometimes B&H, in the USA

[dawn iron]

ok ty

and the pc on newegg dont come with thermal paste right, i gotta put my own?

[little osprey]

I was really confused when people started using numbers for CPU's and not using their marketing name such as i3, i5, i7, and i9

[empty pollen]

the cooler will bring one for free

[little osprey]

Depending on the CPU, thermal paste will be pre-applied, but not a lot of it

[mossy venture]

5600 and b550 pro vdh wifi

Same perf for a bit cheaper

[little osprey]

AMD Rzyen 5?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[little osprey]

Does that have an iGPU or would I have to get the 5600G?

[dawn iron]

so should i just buy thermal paste just incase or no

[stoic island]

5600 no igpu

5600g gets less l3 cache

[mossy venture]

5600g, but then the 12100 is better and cheaper

[little osprey]

If it has a stock fan with it, I'd think it would have pre-applied

[empty pollen]

get an mx-4 if you want to have one in case, but the cooler will bring on lil tube for free

[stoic island]

It's not the same CPU

[little osprey]

Otherwise yes, no stock fan, then definitely get thermal paste

[stoic island]

Any cooler you buy will basically always come with paste

[dawn iron]

ok bet

[toxic wraith]

i need rgb strip for my pc elp

[stoic island]

Most of the time you don't need paste unless you want extras in case you want to repaste

[toxic wraith]

help

[empty pollen]

that little syringe... thats the free paste

[little osprey]

Well okay, let me RQ go over the options I've been thinking for CPU's

[empty pollen]

however, mx-4 is better than the free one supplied and its cheap anyway

[little osprey]

10400, 12100, 5600, and 12400

[stoic island]

I'd kick out 10400

[little osprey]

No specific variant, just any of those models

[stoic island]

And if you want igpu, 5600 isn't an option

[stoic island]

Think of 5600g as completely different from 5600

Because it is

[little osprey]

Yeah, that's why I asked about the G

[empty pollen]

no

12400 way better

[stoic island]

Half l3 cache can hit performance

[empty pollen]

than the 5600g

i mean, you have the gpu already

you dont need the igpu

go either 12400f or 5600

[little osprey]

The only reason I was thinking about the 10400 was because it's a bit older and it's motherboard socket is gonna be cheaper as well

[empty pollen]

you will lose a ton of performance for saving some bucks

and not that many in any case

[little osprey]

Fair enough

[empty pollen]

casue the 12400 and the 5600 are cheaper, plus the 12100 is way better for gaming and a lot cheaper as well than the 10th gen one

[little osprey]

Will the 12400F be going on sale any time soon?

[empty pollen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal gust]

hello everyone. I am trying to decide on upgrading to the ryzen 7 or not. I am running an asus 3060ti 32 gb or memory b550 ud ac mother board 1tb HD. Woulodl the upgrade be worth the money and or would it cause trouble on my rig?

[little osprey]

Which Ryzen 7?

[eternal gust]

runing the 5

[empty pollen]

depend on what you have rn

[stoic island]

7700x? 5700x?

What are you asking for

[eternal gust]

havent got that far checking compatibility and spec growth

[empty pollen]

which rig do you have right now?

[eternal gust]

i game moderately like rust or day z

Never had an issue

[stoic island]

7700x required a new motherboard, 5700x isn't that big of a difference from 5600

[tawdry swan]

Anyone know why my games would be crashing all of a sudden?

[stoic island]

Context?

[eternal gust]

perfectg thats what i needed to hear to be honet

[little osprey]

Anything specific you doing inside them before it crashes?

Like starting a match or something?

[little osprey]

Good stuff, just let anyone here know if you have anymore questions

[toxic wraith]

bruh

[little osprey]

Hm?

[toxic wraith]

can someone help me find a good rgb strip for inside pc

[tawdry swan]

tried playing cyberpunk and 10 minutes in would crash. Same thing would happen on my old pc. Everything is up to date and tried lowering the graphics

[little osprey]

Drivers possibly?

[toxic wraith]

BRO

I just get ignored as soon s i ask that

[empty pollen]

not my area of expertise sadly xD cant help you on the rgb strip issue 😛

[little osprey]

I would answer, but it's not anything I would know anything about

[little osprey]

^

[toxic wraith]

oh

understandable

[little osprey]

Sorry

[tawdry swan]

I honestly have no idea. i can run tarkov, fivem, and cod just fine

[toxic wraith]

i swear there was an rgb chasnnel

[little osprey]

Interesting

[toxic wraith]

channel

[tawdry swan]

it did the same thing on watch dogs

[little osprey]

I'm unsure

[tawdry swan]

the dude at newegg also didnt know. sent me here lol

[little osprey]

@empty pollen, @stoic island, 12400F, 12100F, or 5600

What would be the best option to pair with a GTX 1070?

[stoic island]

depends on price at that point

[toxic wraith]

that wont get bottlenecked?

[stoic island]

if you're going to upgrade gpu, 12400, if not, 12100 is fine

[toxic wraith]

why am i talking

icant say anything

[stoic island]

Can you run 3dmark's timespy demo? You can find it on steam

[little osprey]

I'm gonna treat the GTX 1070 as if it cost me $150 and my total budget is $600

I'd like to upgrade

[tawdry swan]

whats that lol. sorry somewhat new to pc

[little osprey]

But again I wanna save money

[stoic island]

I mean, ig according to bleach 12100 is fine for most games

[little osprey]

War Thunder is gonna be the most demanding for me, otherwise the second most demanding is games running on Source 😅

[stoic island]

yea uh you'd be fine

[toxic wraith]

whats the difference between a founders edition and a normal gpu

[little osprey]

TF2, CS:GO and Garry's Mod

[little osprey]

Good question TBH

[stoic island]

different pcb and heatsink

[little osprey]

I was curious too

[stoic island]

same chip, different stuff you put on it

[toxic wraith]

normal loooks better so ima just stick with that lmaoo

[little osprey]

@stoic island, I'm not gonna count my chickens before they hatch, my birthday is the 20th this month, so I'm hoping some stuff might be on sale and I can go from there

I just want to have some options for when that happens

@empty pollen, thank you too for the help

[stoic island]

aight

[little osprey]

Thanks though

I appreciate it a lot

[stoic island]

You're welcome

[little osprey]

👍

[empty pollen]

👍

[dawn iron]

what is the diff between windows 11 and 11 pro

[empty pollen]

some security things mostly for enterprises

not an issue for home users

[dawn iron]

well what should i get

[empty pollen]

just for gaming, the very basic license will suffice

like home edition

[dawn iron]

bet

[toxic wraith]

should i get windows 10 home

[little osprey]

@stoic island, quick question, what would be a cheap motherboard with wifi that I could use for the 12400 or 12100?

[dawn iron]

also for my monitor i know if the refresh rate doesnt match it messes with frames or wtv so what should i go for

[potent portal]

You technically don't need to pay for it at all, but if you want the key there's cheaper options on non-official websites we can't say anything more specific about. Around $20-25.

[stoic island]

Right now, aorus pro ax is at a nice price, usually, MSI b660m-a wifi, and the less desirable option of ds3h ax is fine too

[potent portal]

This is just a setting, you can change the resolution and refresh rate once it's running

[little osprey]

Pirating an OS? 💀

[potent portal]

It's official keys, not pirated

[dawn iron]

i mean im just settin all of it on new egg and idrc ab price

[potent portal]

But yeah you can use Windows for free without a license

You just won't be able to use the "personalization" settings and you might get a watermark

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCbTwP/gigabyte-b560m-aorus-pro-ax-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-b560m-aorus-pro-ax

Would this guy work?

[stoic island]

b560 is for 10th and 11th gen

b660 is for 12th gen

[little osprey]

Wait

My bad

[little osprey]

All of which have wifi correct?

[potent portal]

And 13th once launched, to add to that

[stoic island]

"ax" means 802.11ax aka. wifi 6

[little osprey]

Interesting, okay

[stoic island]

like how "ac" is 802.11ac aka. wifi 5

So if the name of the board says ax, ac, or just straight up wifi, it probably has wifi

[little osprey]

I don't plan to upgrade to a 13th generation CPU because I want to resist upgrading as much as possible unless I need to so I can play my games

[little osprey]

Good stuff, thanks

[little osprey]

So if there is a 11th generation board with wif I would love to get the link

[potent portal]

That's a good attitude to have. Most modern processors are way overkill for gaming, even the 12100 pairs fine with a 3090 ti.

[toxic wraith]

i swear someone said they have an i3 for a 3090

[stoic island]

Bleach does

[little osprey]

Mhm, that's the 12100

[toxic wraith]

oh

[little osprey]

Well, is there any 11th generation boards that have wifi?

[stoic island]

yes

[tawdry swan]

any reason why my cpu is running at 100% while i play and power usage at very high lmao

[stoic island]

that does

[potent portal]

What CPU, GPU, and game?

[dawn iron]

@empty pollen the pc i built on new egg was 2.6k that is 1k higher than what you had

[little osprey]

With LGA 1700 to rephrase that

[stoic island]

what

lga1700 is only for 12th and 13th gen

10th and 11th gen are on lga1200

[little osprey]

Oh

[tawdry swan]

RTX 3070, Intel Core i7-11700F, and cyberpunk

[little osprey]

I'm stupid

[dawn iron]

had to pick a monitor, diff gpu, and the operating system

[mossy venture]

Are you using task manager to view usage?

If so, don't

[potent portal]

Cyberpunk uses a lot of compute power, even with a good GPU

What fps do you get?

And on what settings/resolution?

[mossy venture]

Mfw 580p

[tawdry swan]

i have all graphical settings on low

[little osprey]

@stoic island https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WNjBD3/gigabyte-b660m-ds3h-ax-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-ds3h-ax-ddr4

$120

[stoic island]

is just bare board

[tawdry swan]

havnt checked fps yet

[potent portal]

That reduces the load on the GPU but not the CPU as much, which introduces a CPU bottleneck

[mossy venture]

Gigabyte gaming x ax b660 is $108 on amazon warehouse

[tawdry swan]

Any way around that

[mossy venture]

Atleast it was yesterday

[potent portal]

Turn up the graphics settings and it'll use the GPU more, eventually the GPU will become the bottleneck and CPU usage will drop

[tawdry swan]

last time the graphics were up it crashed

[little osprey]

Just remembered to check that, it's $90

[potent portal]

Well that's cyberpunk for you lol

[little osprey]

Kinda just looking for a cheap case RN

That has enough pre-installed fans

[tawdry swan]

watch dogs did the same thing lol

[potent portal]

That's another game that uses a lot of CPU power

[tawdry swan]

damn. So is there really no fix for it

[potent portal]

Unless you're getting really low fps there's nothing to fix

[dawn iron]

when building on newegg does it come as a pre built or do you build it

[mossy venture]

https://www.amazon.com/B660M-DS3H-DDR4-Micro-ATX-Motherboard/dp/B09QH5MFMN/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?

Non ax though

[potent portal]

You would have to build it, the ENIAC build service is suspended for now, indefinitely

[little osprey]

How much would it be to install a wifi card

[still roost]

KTA_Puma#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dawn iron]

...

[little osprey]

Don't worry

[dawn iron]

does it come with the wires

[mossy venture]

Can get a cheap wifi card though

[dawn iron]

i aint know lol

[little osprey]

Nah, you're good

I slip up a few times when I'm tired

[potent portal]

The parts should come with the wires they come with. I don't know about ENIAC, but they've stopped doing that anyway. Possible exceptions for open box/refurb.

[little osprey]

Yeah, could you find me one, also I'm thinking about getting a fan pack for this case to cut costs

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vYp323/cougar-mx330-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330

[little osprey]

If you can find me a budget fan pack too, that'd be great

[dawn iron]

fs thank you

[mossy venture]

That'd end up more expensive, no?

[dawn iron]

and everybody else that has helped lol

[little osprey]

Well the MX410 is already $68

Actually, one sec

Yes, but I get more fans out of this

[potent portal]

3 pack of P12 is still $18 right?

Or did it drop again

[little osprey]

I was thinking a five pack

[weary galleon]

5 pack is 30

Usually

[little osprey]

I'll check what size the MX330 has anyways

Two front and two top 120mm's

And a rear pre-installed 120mm

[weary galleon]

For budget best bet is probably a case with preinstalled fans

[tawdry swan]

now im showing 100% on gpu. i swear to go bro

cpu went down tho

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-F12-Performance-Noise-Value/dp/B07PFBPHL6/ref=asc_df_B07PFBPHL6/?

Five for $20

[potent portal]

That's what it's supposed to do

[tawdry swan]

Okay thanks for the help bro im still new to pc

[potent portal]

If you're trying to reduce overall power usage you can underclock and set fps limiters

[little osprey]

If anyone can find me a budget case that has a decent amount of pre-installed fans and beats this in price and amount of fans, lemmie know

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZT4BD3/cougar-mx410-mesh-g-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-mx410-mesh-g-rgb

[weary galleon]

Montex x3 mesh perhaps

Only the white version is on sale though

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-00CN-00037

3 140mm and 3 120mm

[mossy venture]

I mean, mx330-g air, but it isn't rgb

Could likely find a p360a or similar used

[toxic wraith]

Shoot the p400a doesnt have rgb fans doesnt it

[mossy venture]

No, but tou can add some

[toxic wraith]

Duckkkkkkk

[mossy venture]

Are you the dude who bought it already?

If not, g360a

[toxic wraith]

yes 😔

[mossy venture]

And its non digital?

[toxic wraith]

Uh

how check

[potent portal]

P400A digital does

[mossy venture]

Is it p400a, or p400a digital

[toxic wraith]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

yeahhh i dont think its digital

ill just get rgb fans then

oh well

does anyone know any good rgb case fans

[mossy venture]

P12 argb

3pack

[toxic wraith]

antec or arctic

[mossy venture]

Arctic

[toxic wraith]

wait

wouldnt that only cover the front

[mossy venture]

Ye, pretty sure p400a has two non rgb fans in it but I could be wrong

[toxic wraith]

i think

one top

and one back

lemme check

[tawdry swan]

i just got the blue screen of death...

[potent portal]

What does the error message say?

You can get an idea of the cause by running whocrashed if it's not a common error

[mossy venture]

Also what ram

[little osprey]

Balls

Well my brother said he's buy me this for my birthday

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZT4BD3/cougar-mx410-mesh-g-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-mx410-mesh-g-rgb

I think it looks nice TBH, but I do like the one you send

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-00CN-00033?

I like that one, from the same brand you sent

[weary galleon]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't want the white, I wish the black was on sale

[weary galleon]

more expensive with less fans though

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-flyer-x-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-00CN-00009?

This one gets two 200mm front ones

[weary galleon]

I think the cougar 410 is probably a good choice unless there's something you don't like about it

[little osprey]

I like the Cougar MX330

But it doesn't get as close as many pre-installed fans as these ones do

I just don't like the over all look of the MX410

@weary galleon, if you had to pick between these two, which would you pick?

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-00CN-00033?
https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-flyer-x-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-00CN-00009?

[potent portal]

There's always the DIY option for cases

[weary galleon]

is your motherboard micro atx or full atx?

[little osprey]

I work with wood and weld, I don't cut metal

[little osprey]

Micro-ATX

[potent portal]

Wood cases exist

I've even seen a case built entirely from Lego

[weary galleon]

I would probably do the air 100 then

[potent portal]

Worst case option is always the milk crate

Best airflow without an open chassis right there

[weary galleon]

However the air 100 is $75, so it's only $15 more for this one (2 more 120mm and front 3 are 140)
https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-x3-atx-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-00CN-00036

4 fans is plenty though so if you like the air 100 go for it

[little osprey]

@weary galleon, since my brother is gonna buy my case, I gave him three options and told him I'd prefer the Montech X3 but whatever works and told him to surprise me

https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-x3-atx-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-00CN-00036https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-00CN-00033?
https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-flyer-x-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-00CN-00009?

So we'll see in 17 days on my birthday on the 20th

Thanks though for helping me with some options

[weary galleon]

yeah, no problem

[little osprey]

@potent portal https://www.ebay.com/itm/275305718713?

I like 😍

But $140 seems a bit demanding

I dunno, I'm getting a free GPU, but I think this is the first time I've looked on eBay for a GPU

[toxic wraith]

do you think the 12600k is worth it

more than the 12400f

[empty pollen]

depends on many factors

[toxic wraith]

like?

[empty pollen]

mostly price

[toxic wraith]

oh

well

[empty pollen]

the gaming aspect on both of those is almost equal

however the 12600k have oc potential, better memory controller and more cores for other tasks

[mossy venture]

Depends on budget of the whole pc

If $1600? Sure. If $1450 or lower, not really