building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

that's why i said quality unit

[rigid oracle]

i hear you need at least 1000W for the 4090

[obsidian wigeon]

a good psu will handle that

[earnest olive]

you don't need your psu to be rated for the maximum spike

[mossy venture]

We don't really know yet

[earnest olive]

if it's a quality unit

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[earnest olive]

my old 750w psu would handle spikes of up to 1kw

[mossy venture]

For all we know, an atx 3.0 750 would be fine

[jolly jungle]

i have 1000W anyway just because future proof.

[earnest olive]

no problem driving my 3090

[jolly jungle]

but i run a 6900xt

[empty pollen]

well the nvidia recc list a 850w minimum

[mossy venture]

Future proofing isn't really a thing

[earnest olive]

"future proof" right now means atx 3.0

lol

[obsidian wigeon]

future proofing is just a buzzword

[weary galleon]

For GPUs yeah

[rigid oracle]

i’m just wondering what GPU i should upgrade to after i upgrade my PSU. we don’t have much info on performance for the 40 series cards but the 3090 looks promising

[weary galleon]

I'd say you can future proof with a motherboard

[mossy venture]

Or cpu, or motherboards, or ram

Most things

[rigid oracle]

my motherboard is a B450m

[empty pollen]

buying a 3090 rn is a very bad decision

if you have the coin just wait

[obsidian wigeon]

everything literally gets outdated, but ram and mobo takes a long while before they become obsolete

[rigid oracle]

wait for the 4090?

[empty pollen]

no, for the 40 series or amd in general

[rigid oracle]

oh

[obsidian wigeon]

4090 is 1.6k tho oof

[rigid oracle]

i prefer nvidia

lmao

[jolly jungle]

1.6k asking price

sheesh.

[empty pollen]

even bad 4080 is rumored to beat the 3090

[obsidian wigeon]

but i would say 4060 is not a shabby choice

[empty pollen]

we dont know yet

[obsidian wigeon]

if it comes out

[rigid oracle]

although i am running linux

[earnest olive]

have you seen the prices of 4090 in europe

LMAO

[jolly jungle]

1.9 right?

[earnest olive]

2000+ gbp

yum

[rigid oracle]

and i hear that AMD is better on linux

[empty pollen]

vat tax included?

[earnest olive]

yeah

but still

[jolly jungle]

yes

[obsidian wigeon]

that's not a fact anymore

[rigid oracle]

oh yeah i forgot about tax…

[obsidian wigeon]

nvidia has open source drivers now

[rigid oracle]

lol

[rigid oracle]

really?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[rigid oracle]

that’s bonkers

[analog pulsar]

future proof is nice

[rigid oracle]

when did this happen

[potent portal]

"open source" but they moved the most important parts to closed source

[obsidian wigeon]

a year ago

[earnest olive]

theres no such thing as future proof

[rigid oracle]

wow

[jolly jungle]

PopOS

uses it

[analog pulsar]

yes huh

[obsidian wigeon]

future proof is just a word to get you to spend more than necessary

[earnest olive]

imagine buying a 10900K to futureproof your gaming system

and now watching 10900K hit similar gaming numbers to the i3-12100

[obsidian wigeon]

then 12900k slaps it out of the water

[earnest olive]

now imagine if you just

bought an i5-10400 with like 3% less gaming performance

then bought an i5-12400

[analog pulsar]

im not talking 10th gen i mean case, ram, mobo, psu, ssd, you can all future proof

[earnest olive]

futureproof mobo?

[jolly jungle]

yea i deff didnt apply that word to

CPU at all

[obsidian wigeon]

future proofing is all just a meaningless word

[earnest olive]

hmm yes let's buy a z690 godlike and watch 14th gen not be compatible with it

[obsidian wigeon]

people should stop using this term tbh

[analog pulsar]

13th gen all you need

[earnest olive]

say that again in 2028

[analog pulsar]

haha

[earnest olive]

after all you're future proofing right

[jolly jungle]

2028 is a while from now tho.

lol what

[analog pulsar]

ill just buy a godline mobo every 10 years

[earnest olive]

what is the definition of "future"

[obsidian wigeon]

but that further confirms sips' point

[analog pulsar]

i mean i was thinking now future proof until a point

[potent portal]

That would be like using a second gen i7 right now

[earnest olive]

in 2028 would you rather have an i9-13900KS or an i3-17100 cause i know what i would rather have

[analog pulsar]

bruh

[rigid oracle]

what are they called?

[potent portal]

You said 10 years

[obsidian wigeon]

it's available on nvidia site

[earnest olive]

would you rather have an i7-3770K or i3-12100 right now? i'm sure some people thought they were future proofing with the i7-3770K

[obsidian wigeon]

idk what they're called tho

[rigid oracle]

also i use kubuntu

[earnest olive]

if that point is less than 6 years is it really future proof? lmao

[analog pulsar]

but with how gaming is you really think 24 cores or 40 threads gunna be outused

[obsidian wigeon]

short answer is, buy whatever is best for you buck at the moment

[rigid oracle]

nouveau?

[earnest olive]

core count means very little

[jolly jungle]

they dont have a definite name

[obsidian wigeon]

don't worry about "future proofing"

[analog pulsar]

it means some

[earnest olive]

let's compare i3-12100 to 16 core opteron or 8 core skulltrail

lmao

[analog pulsar]

like you cant use 2 coree rn

[rigid oracle]

i have some nvidia-515 driver on my linux machine

[jolly jungle]

yea

thats it

[potent portal]

Threads don't matter past 6c/12t

[earnest olive]

a modern 2 core cpu will still beat 8 core skulltrail

[analog pulsar]

for some games it might

[earnest olive]

would probably beat the 16 core opterons too

in gaming

[potent portal]

No that's accounting for those exception games

[analog pulsar]

cpu based games brrrrrrrrrrrr

[obsidian wigeon]

Single core is still king in gaming

[earnest olive]

why does having 16 cores matter if all of the cores suck

[analog pulsar]

sips omg you know what i mean

[earnest olive]

no i don't lol

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/lLL_mxFg_Jc

[obsidian wigeon]

8 cores is absolute max one would ever want for gaming

[analog pulsar]

sad okay let me explain better

[earnest olive]

we literally see i3-12100 beating i9-10900K in some situations already

[jolly jungle]

doesnt anything past 8 barley get used in games anyway?

[earnest olive]

4 cores vs 10 cores

i9-10900K isn't even old

but somehow you think having 8p16e raptor lake would save you in 2032

[obsidian wigeon]

strong but fewer cores are faster than slower but more cores

[potent portal]

Most games don't even use more than 4 threads, modern ones are trending towards 6

[obsidian wigeon]

as long as there's enough cores that is

[rigid oracle]

should i upgrade my CPU? it’s an i5 10th gen

[earnest olive]

if you need to ask, probably not

are you actually unsatisfied with its performance?

[potent portal]

10600 can handle any modern game and gpu

[rigid oracle]

nah it just gets hot

[earnest olive]

how hot

[potent portal]

Stock cooler?

[rigid oracle]

in doom eternal, 80 degrees

[earnest olive]

that's fine

[obsidian wigeon]

it's fine

[earnest olive]

tjmax = 100c

[rigid oracle]

gpu gets up to 80 too

[potent portal]

It goes up to 100 lol

[earnest olive]

you are nowhere near danger zone

[rigid oracle]

yeah but i feel like i should have better cooking

cooling

[obsidian wigeon]

you're probably limited by case

im guessing

[analog pulsar]

OKAY with gaming and how technology is going do you really think we gunna need more cores and more threads from now to a certain point yes we will need to upgrade but im sure 16 cores and 20 threads will keep up at good hand until gaming needs more then said cores but like a 2 core cpu that is pretty old it wont run modern ghames or AAA titles but like 12900k that will be able to run games for a bit without needing to upgrade

[rigid oracle]

yeah 4 fans

3 on the front, 1 on the back

[mossy venture]

A 16 core cpu right now will lose to a 6 core cpu in gaming in what, 3-4 years?

[rigid oracle]

one on the CPU

[earnest olive]

kenzie

like i said

[obsidian wigeon]

nah, that's healthy amout of fans

[earnest olive]

10900K already loses to i3-12100 sometimes

[obsidian wigeon]

but the case design matters

[earnest olive]

now how bad do you think the slaughter will get using a 16 core opteron vs. i3-12100?

[jolly jungle]

pretty bad because all those cores wouldnt be running as fast right?

[earnest olive]

you care too much about core counts

[mossy venture]

Kenzie the point is

If you spend $500 on a cpu right now, as opposed to $170 and $170 again in three years

You're much better off with the second option

[earnest olive]

take that new 32 core zhaoxin system, it would get slaughtered by a 12th gen dual core pentium in games despite being a brand new 32 core system lmao

[rigid oracle]

i forgot the case name

[analog pulsar]

what im saying is we will be able to use the pc without computer being 100% load on cpu while gaming

[analog pulsar]

im sure 15FPS isnt a big deal if we still getting above 10-0FPS its good

[earnest olive]

so?

[rigid oracle]

“DEEPCOOL MATREXX 50 ADD-RGB 4F Mid-Tower Case”

[earnest olive]

100% load? who cares

[obsidian wigeon]

If you game, you don't even need the greatest and newest cpu

[earnest olive]

so your cpu is at 30% load

[potent portal]

You could get a 128 core threadripper and it'll lose to most modern quad cores in gaming

[analog pulsar]

doesnt that create bottle neck

[earnest olive]

but threads 1-8 are at 100%

and the rest is idle

[obsidian wigeon]

It's a waste of money

[earnest olive]

so?

still bottlenecked

[mossy venture]

3995wx has similar single core to a 3300x, no?

[jolly jungle]

ud still be bottlenecked

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah but 3300x is weak

[mossy venture]

Yeah ik

[earnest olive]

you can be cpu bottlenecked without 100% cpu usage lol

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[rigid oracle]

this is the airflow of my case

[analog pulsar]

hm

[obsidian wigeon]

ah that case

kinda choked from air

[obsidian wigeon]

has no mesh front

[rigid oracle]

yeahh

[analog pulsar]

why my files not moving

[earnest olive]

love how they illustrate air entering from the... solid front

[rigid oracle]

i could upgrade my case

[earnest olive]

and not the sides

lmao

[rigid oracle]

yeah it enters from the side

lmaoo

[earnest olive]

the picture has the air going through glass

mm marketing material

[rigid oracle]

it has great cooling when i take the side panel off

[obsidian wigeon]

case really is the only thing one can "future proof"

[rigid oracle]

but a fly flew into the cpu fan

so i closed it back up

[obsidian wigeon]

cause you can buy a case once and use it for years

even a decade if it's a really good one

[rigid oracle]

yeah a case is literally a big piece of metal

[analog pulsar]

and ssd

[obsidian wigeon]

nah

there's faster ssds that keeps coming out

[analog pulsar]

unless you need 4.0 speed

[jolly jungle]

SSD speeds increase too often

[analog pulsar]

yea but does games utilize it

[rigid oracle]

also there’s so much empty space in my case

[obsidian wigeon]

not like it's a need, but there's that

[rigid oracle]

should i try a smaller case?

[obsidian wigeon]

nah

[rigid oracle]

or should i go with the same size

[obsidian wigeon]

you just need case with mesh

normal mid tower

[rigid oracle]

could i replace the front glass with mesh? or do i need to buy a new case

[obsidian wigeon]

that case doesn't allow that

[jolly jungle]

new case

[obsidian wigeon]

so yeah, new case time

[analog pulsar]

yea they increase but are we guunna notice a game opening 1 millisecond faster

[jolly jungle]

ssds arent just for gaming tho

[analog pulsar]

yea

[rigid oracle]

y’all got a good case you recommend?

[analog pulsar]

but most of us in here are gamers

[jolly jungle]

i get that

[obsidian wigeon]

mx-330g is good on the cheaper end

preferably the air version

non air version is fine, but i think you will need to buy fans

[analog pulsar]

yes there will be faster ssds but does that benefit us at all if not then we can buy ssds and not worry about speeds or the new faster ones coming out

[rigid oracle]

i love how the USBs are on the front

[rigid oracle]

could i repurpose the fans from my old case?

[obsidian wigeon]

surely

[rigid oracle]

the mx330-g has one less fan tho

idk if that’ll make a difference

[obsidian wigeon]

doesn't matter

it has mesh front

[rigid oracle]

nice

i love the USBs on the front, mine are on the top and it’s so hard to access

it’s like it was designed to be on the floor

what should i do with my old case?

[potent portal]

Personally I keep them for future builds but if you don't see yourself using it sell it

[rigid oracle]

yeah sure

i don’t build PCs too much

well i don’t at all

lol

then i should buy the air model so i can sell my case with fans?

also my parents were not too fond of a 450w GPU lol

[obsidian wigeon]

i would then wait for 4060

[rigid oracle]

yeah

they didn’t want me drawing as much power as a refrigerator lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

fair enough

power bills go brr

[rigid oracle]

yep

💪

[potent portal]

What fridge is only using 4A though

A mini fridge?

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[rigid oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

also do we know what the 4060 power consumption would be?

[potent portal]

No clue

We probably won't know for at least a few more months

[rigid oracle]

yeah isnt the 4060 gonna come out last

i assume my 600W PSU wont cut it though

[potent portal]

It might be fine but we really don't know

If it ends up being 200-250W or something you're good

[empty pollen]

should be, the fake 4070 is about 280w

even that one could be fine on his system

[potent portal]

Depends on model but theoretically yeah

[rigid oracle]

my psu is a thermaltake smart 600w

[empty pollen]

the best "smart" unit is a C tier, not sure if you have more info on your model

[rigid oracle]

where would i find that info?

[empty pollen]

usually on the side of your psu, they have a label with the model most of the time

[rigid oracle]

from what i can see, all i see is smart 600w

[empty pollen]

smart S, smart BM?

[potent portal]

What 80 plus rating? Bronze? White?

[empty pollen]

there are a lot of models of that smart series

[rigid oracle]

80 plus gold

[potent portal]

That's the good one then

[empty pollen]

the bm2?

[potent portal]

Or, good enough

[rigid oracle]

looks like this

exactly like that actually

[potent portal]

Part number is sus

[rigid oracle]

here’s what it looks like in my pc

idk the exact part number

[rigid oracle]

this was just pulled from the internet

[potent portal]

I know lol, it says the part number

[empty pollen]

seems like the bad one falcie

the c tier ones are rated above 750

and the e below 650

[rigid oracle]

not surprised

[potent portal]

Cultists wouldn't load for me so I couldn't double check

[rigid oracle]

this is a prebuilt after all

they always cut costs on the PSU

[empty pollen]

this is the c one

e one

[rigid oracle]

hmm so should i upgrade my PSU?

[potent portal]

I really hate that they do that with the naming

[empty pollen]

so do i

[potent portal]

30 different "smart" models and it's hard to decode which

[empty pollen]

still as i said, the C ones are 750+

[rigid oracle]

yeahh they should put the model number in the name

[empty pollen]

and the e ones appear to be 650 and below

[rigid oracle]

like smart-bm2 or something idlk

[empty pollen]

so probably is a e tier unit

[rigid oracle]

idk*

[rigid oracle]

possibly

like i said, it is a prebuilt

[potent portal]

Probably a good idea but E tier is "avoid if possible" and not F(ire hazard)

[rigid oracle]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali564/p/N82E16883360194

i mean so far i havent had problems with it

[potent portal]

Yeah you're probably just not pushing it too much

[rigid oracle]

fire test

:)

doom eternal is the most graphically intense game ive played

[empty pollen]

doom eternal can run on a potato

[rigid oracle]

brought both my cpu and gpu to 80 degrees

[potent portal]

Max out overclocks and run the OCCT power test

[rigid oracle]

literally "but can it run doom"

[empty pollen]

na

[rigid oracle]

i dont overclock my pc soo

[empty pollen]

crysis is more intensive

doom dont apply

😛

[rigid oracle]

crysis runs like garbage on my system

idk why

poorly optimized?

[potent portal]

Very

Always had been

[empty pollen]

yup

[rigid oracle]

i heard they programmed it thinking we were gonna have like

[empty pollen]

doom is very well optimized in contrast

[rigid oracle]

60 core cpus

[empty pollen]

is extremely friendly

[rigid oracle]

or something

wait no 1 core cpu

with a crap ton of power

so the game only uses 1 core

[empty pollen]

lawl

[potent portal]

There's a reason crysis became a meme, it would literally cause fires due to poor programming

[empty pollen]

i think no current game use only 1 core

[rigid oracle]

yeah i remember now, they thought we would have like

500 GHz CPUs

[empty pollen]

most use between 3 and 4

[rigid oracle]

or some absurd number like that

[potent portal]

MMOs can use 1-2 still

[rigid oracle]

iirc new vegas uses 1 core

[potent portal]

ESO only got a dual core update recently

[rigid oracle]

but those are older games

[empty pollen]

lol eso, i have forgottne about that game

[rigid oracle]

lmao nice

my crysis game progressively gets laggier and laggier

maybe a memory leak or smthn idk

[potent portal]

It was much the same problem as New World had recently now that I think about it

[rigid oracle]

cant play it for more than 30 minutes without getting super low framerates

starts off fine

transitions into slideshow mode

which sucks cus it looks like a really cool game too

are the console ports at least better optimized?

[potent portal]

No

You could run it off an emulator maybe

[rigid oracle]

i have a ps3

idk if they made a release for the ps3 tho

¯_(ツ)_/¯

this has gone off topic fast lol

[analog hearth]

@desert sigil what are you using to get gig transfer speeds?

[desert sigil]

I have a 10 gigabit switch from Asus. I am using this nic Check this out on @Newegg: ASUS XG-C100C 10G Network Adapter PCI-E x4 Card with Single RJ-45 Port https://www.newegg.com/asus-xg-c100c/p/N82E16833320272?Item=N82E16833320272&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-33-320-272-_-09242022

I have RoG version of that nic too.

@analog hearth Check this out on @Newegg: ASUS ROG AREION 10G Express 10Gbps Ethernet PCIe expansion Card RJ-45 https://www.newegg.com/asus-areion-10g/p/14U-005F-000T7?Item=14U-005F-000T7&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14U-005F-000T7-_-09242022

[analog pulsar]

Man feels everyone forgot about it

[icy crater]

Anyone currently have or have experience with an itx build?

[potent portal]

What's your question? Lots here do

[empty pollen]

yeah just ask 😛 someone will answer eventually 😛 nobody around here bite... well except foxy

[icy crater]

I was wondering if it was worth it to build an itx build. Met someone the other day who had an itx build he said it was way too hot and loud with the newer cpus and gpus.

I feel like it could save me quite a lot of hassle moving around and take up less space but idk.

[weary galleon]

they can be cool and quiet but you pay a premium for most of the parts

Optimum Tech has done quite a few itx builds and case reviews IIRC

https://www.youtube.com/c/OptimumTech

[still rivet]

Hello I was cleaning out in my garage and found a hp pavilion amd sempron graphics by nvidia desktop pc and I want to switch the motherboard out of it to a gaming and up to date motherboard but the thing is I don’t know what it size on it.

[empty pollen]

open and measure it 🙂 easy

[verbal quarry]

Hey I need a laptop for general purpose. I'm in AIT right now for the army and I work aviation mechanics. I also like to game can anyone help me find a laptop for relatively cheap. Around $600 is all I'm willing to spend right now.

[mossy venture]

Best odds would be smthn from r/laptopdeals, I haven't seen much for around that price point though

Might be better off looking for used

[weary galleon]

for gaming @600USD you probably want used

at new pricing 600 is probably only gonna get a 1650S or 3050

[analog hearth]

I believe it's either mATX or ATX. if it's more of a square motherboard (rather than tall and rectangular), it's probably mATX

but probably just lookup the specs and the board to be sure

[potent portal]

Hp likes to do form factors that are just far enough off from standards that you can't use standard parts. An exact model number would be helpful, we could tell what's standard and not.

[analog hearth]

I remember Bitwit made a sleeper build out of an old Pavilion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH6ZQDlCK7Y

old Bitwit bruh

[potent portal]

It's possible sure but will require mods

Like the center standoff being off center from ATX standard, cut it out and just don't worry about the mobo flexing a bit lol

[analog hearth]

I've actually gotten away with using three screws on an mATX board with a tower cooler and 2-slot GPU lolll

so I mean if the center standoff is the one standoff to worry about... lol

[potent portal]

I didn't say it was an issue, just that there would be some slight warping more noticeable with heavier GPUs

[analog hearth]

ye especially if the motherboard is mounted on the opposite side (so it would be upside down, GPU on the top of the motherboard)

[potent portal]

You could flex your welding skills and attach a new standoff in the right place

[weary galleon]

might not even need to weld, just pre drill a little hole in the case and screw in a standoff

[potent portal]

Yeah true

[still rivet]

@analog hearth thank you 🙏

[analog hearth]

I just rewatched the Bitwit video I sent. the motherboard he's using in that build is an mATX board (just confirming for you)

[short yoke]

I need some help😭

[potent portal]

With what?

[short yoke]

The CPU aio instructions said to unscrew the existing mounting bracket

But when I did, the panel behind the CPU with the threads for the stand offs slid out from the back of it

[potent portal]

The backplate? That's fine, get some tape and put it back on

Or hold it on from the other side while you get the new mount installed

[short yoke]

👍🏻👍🏻

I just have to uncover it

[still roost]

JACK#9022 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[short yoke]

I thought i messed up😭

[still rivet]

@analog hearth thank you for sharing the video it was a lot of help.

[empty pollen]

the good ol' copium

[weary galleon]

^^^ I hate the default am4 backplate. Especially with the stock cooler I used to use it was a huge pan to install.

[jagged ember]

AMD stock coolers are objectively awful

to instalp

[fleet heron]

Daym a 3090

You def going for performance

BRO WHY IS YOUR PC ON THA MOUSEPAD 😭😭

AHHHH

[jagged ember]

it ain't covering the lttstore one

so it's fine

[fleet heron]

Woah sexy

What switch?

I also have bobas!

There pretty good

Nice!

[jagged ember]

here is my keyboard

[fleet heron]

Live the keycaps

Love*

[jagged ember]

you'll love my deskmat even more

[fleet heron]

Lmao

[jagged ember]

every day sad linus stares at me

[fleet heron]

LINUS MOMMY!?

Rip iphone tho

[jagged ember]

yeah

its like 7 years old now or smth

[fleet heron]

Fr!?

Daym

[jagged ember]

iphone 6s

so yeah I suppose so

[cyan ravine]

What is that thing that looks like a Linus moustache

[jagged ember]

pff

yeah that's my gaming wrist rest

[cyan ravine]

It gets me every time I see it

Haha

[jagged ember]

for my mouse hand bro

[cyan ravine]

Turn it around it be a full moustache

Kekw

[jagged ember]

I might just

[fleet heron]

I thought it was supposed to be a mustache

[jagged ember]

you'll see if I decide to

[frank stirrup]

Damn bro how did you get that?

were no human hands available for the operation

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[thorn merlin]

hello guys i built my pc some time ago and never knew where the led sw cable had to go in my mainboard for that reason i could never change the color of my case i have the msi pro b660m-a can someone help me thanks

[frigid night]

@raven saffron missed opportunity to route that top cable through the top grommet :P. Do you have an Antec PSU? Good looking build though.

[jagged ember]

nah they were fresh out

[fossil cedar]

@austere condor nice build but can't help feel having p2 as boot drive would be better, imo largest drive should be boot and probably faster than a 240gb unnamed Kingston ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[austere condor]

🤷

yeah

i didnt actually build this PC

i just bought it straight for $600

cable managed it a bit, and dusted it out

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

Ahh fair enough

[fossil cedar]

Imo advertising with 1tb boot might be more valuable to ppl who don't know much about pcs but up to you

[austere condor]

yeah, the way i word my listings is different than the way i post for show

[fossil cedar]

Fair enough

[analog pulsar]

I feel like 240GB or 500GB is fine as boot bc only like core programs would go into it which arnt much space for me tho idk like how rendering how much space that uses but 500GB for like boot to download like steam and crystal disk info and some other stuff then if you wanna save photos or games they could go in the 1TB or 2TB or even 4TB ssd

[fossil cedar]

I just prefer having c drive as largest cuz it will auto go there, less fiddling around

[analog pulsar]

thats true as well

[austere condor]

i actually prefer having my C drive effectively empty

other than windows install

keep everything installed on seperate drives

[hot hull]

yea same here i only have windows installed on my c drive and a few games with everything else being on my other drive

[stuck sonnet]

I'm going to build my first pc and I'm doing it with my son. After doing a ton of research, it seems like the best and worst time to build. Prices have come down, but if you want upgrade paths for the future, you have to put out REAL $ since every is end of gen.

How do I know where it is worth it to get new gen parts and where I should cost save? DDR5, 40 series gpu, 7000 series ryzens? Etc.

[fossil cedar]

Yes for cpu, although not ryzen 7000

13th gen probably the move for not very high end cuz you can use ddr4 still

Also upgrade paths aren't really a thing at the moment unless you want to risk it on ryzen 7000

But don't think they said how long they will continue it

Also 4080 looks very sad sooo

4090 is a massive jump over 4080 this gen

It all depends on your budget too

And if you're willing to go used

[warm badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529049541148934155/1023672781109473372/0bdab6a520.mp4

[analog hearth]

bro has a 10090 Super Ti

[mossy venture]

whats your budget for the tower?

[stuck sonnet]

@mossy venture about $3,000

@fossil cedar I'd rather not go used. Since it's my first pc, I want to eliminate as many variables as possible when it comes to the final build actually.. working..

[fossil cedar]

yeah

wow thats an overkill budget

deff nothing you could spend that much on this gen anyway

[stuck sonnet]

@fossil cedar I've been saving for 2 ½ years lol

[earnest olive]

can I be your son?

[fossil cedar]

yeah this gen max i reccomend spending would be like ~2k tbh

[earnest olive]

time to split that into a 2k setup for dad and a 1k setup for son

[potent portal]

Or 1800/1200

[stuck sonnet]

Well, that leads to another question, how do you know when you're going overboard? When are the parts good enough to play everything you want and anything beyond is for bragging purposes? I've looked at pc building sites and I could absolutely spend big $ to make each part top of the line. There's just so many options for every part that I've been getting lost and apparently going above and beyond.

[potent portal]

That's an entirely personal decision, but personally I feel that at current prices $1500 gets you a reasonably high end system

Going past that is mostly for looks, extra storage, etc

[stuck sonnet]

Is it just a matter of immersing myself in LTT parts testing and like videos until I figure it out? Seems like my pc would be outdated by the time I figure it out.

[potent portal]

A good starting point is figuring out what resolution it would be gaming at

If it's only 1080p then a 3060 would be plenty powerful for example, but 1440p you can go up to a 3070

A 3080 is more for bragging rights and cranking settings to max

Once you've got that figured out you can build the rest of the system around the GPU

[stuck sonnet]

Hmmm that's good info.

[mossy venture]

If you dong care about amd vs nvidia, can do a 12600k 6900xt build for $1500 or so

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TM9nwc

[potent portal]

Depending on the 6900 XT that falls around the 3080 ti to 3090 territory for performance

@mossy venture That's a speculative B tier PSU btw, probably fine but for high end I'd go A tier

[analog pulsar]

hmmm spending money

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/kendo-shinai-bonk-doge-horny-gif-20995284

[mossy venture]

Wait g7? I thought it was nearly as good quality as g6

[potent portal]

Tier list says spec B

[mossy venture]

I'd switch it to gf1 for the same price then

[stoic island]

g7 is good

[fossil cedar]

Depends on your expectations but you can get this amazing system for just over 2k
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2py8Xy

[rigid oracle]

im glad my prebuilt is very customizable, essentially someone got parts from the internet, put them together, slapped a sticker on it and called it theirs

its from ABS

got this during covid since it was the only option available to me at the time

otherwise i would've built it myself

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-550b-550w/p/N82E16817320010?Item=N82E16817320010&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-Qhn8csBC3JsKcbdepTmsUg

This was the original PSU I was gonna get, however it's out of stock, is there anything around the price and might have 600W?

[wheat coral]

what IS the original price

lol

[little osprey]

Oh, sorry, I think it was $48.99 USD

I have $43 RN, so I'd like to be able to order the part now

Otherwise I can just want until I get some more cash and I'll just get the case I want

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553054?Description=cougar mx330-g air atx mid tower case&cm_re=cougar_mx330-g air atx mid tower case-_-11-553-054-_-Product&quicklink=true

[fossil cedar]

What specs are in the system?

Nice case

[rigid oracle]

where would i sell my case? ebay?

[fossil cedar]

Ebay, Facebook marketplace, r/hardwareswap(eu/uk) on reddit depending on region

[rigid oracle]

i see

the case has ABS branding on it too, idk if thatll make much of a difference

[empty pollen]

Nah

[rigid oracle]

neat

might buy my new case from microcenter cus im too lazy to wait for shipping

lo

lol

[fossil cedar]

Microcenter have pretty poorly priced hardware except for cpu's/motherboard's

[rigid oracle]

really?

oof

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

Usually anyway

[weary galleon]

They occasionally have good bundles

Like those barebones builds from a while ago

[sly grove]

#general-chat recommended I ask here: I had a pre-built MSI desktop in my NewEgg cart (https://www.newegg.com/msi-codex-rs-11tc-058us/p/N82E16883151141?Item=N82E16883151141) that got flagged as being unable to ship to my state because of CEC certification requirements. So I'm trying to find an equivalent pre-built (not stuck on MSI necessarily) for around the same price point (under $1200 US). i7 preferred, 16gb RAM, 1tb SSD plus room to add a second SSD. Will mostly use for personal (not commercial) photo processing and GoPro video editing of family video stuff.

[weary galleon]

gaming as well as editing?

[scarlet lotus]

Hey guys

I came here to ask for recommendations

On this build

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/sM49Fg

What can improve on it

Like best fps per dollar upgrade

[weary galleon]

Case fans, if you don't have em already

[cyan ravine]

Is it already built?

[scarlet lotus]

Yep

[scarlet lotus]

I got additional fans already. I already built it. Just wondering if I can make any big improvements on it.

Idk what I can do to get 4K gaming 😆

When I try now

It’s pretty bad fps

I guess I have to upgrade my gpu?

[cyan ravine]

3070 Ti is not a 4K card

It's a solid 1440p card

[dim forge]

guyss, what happens if my cpu doesn't support pcie 4

[cyan ravine]

Nothing really

[scarlet lotus]

If I upgrade this current builds gpu would I hit any bottlenecks

[cyan ravine]

Whatever you plug in will run pcie 3 and just be limited to pcie 3 speed

[cyan ravine]

At 4k nope

With an RM850x you could prolly get away with a 4080 16gb

[scarlet lotus]

Wait for 4000 series probably tho?

[scarlet lotus]

Yeah I was thinking of that

[cyan ravine]

If the statements are true about new power management

Then rm850x prolly works

Why do you want 4k anyway, how big is the screen?

[scarlet lotus]

Would ram and cpu be an issue at all?

[cyan ravine]

Nope, how big is this 4k screen

Actually what model screen

[scarlet lotus]

I got Predator X Curved Gaming Monitor | X38S | Black

[cyan ravine]

Ah

Yeah just gpu really

Heck a 6900XT might even be decent enough for that

[scarlet lotus]

Would be waste for the monitor tho no? Because I got g sync and reflex

[cyan ravine]

Nope

AMD has freesync which is like, almost a given these days

Lol

Reflex tech as in a latency measure?

[scarlet lotus]

What about Nvida reflex tho?

[scarlet lotus]

Ye

[cyan ravine]

Nah wouldn't bother

That's almost a meme thing

[scarlet lotus]

Lol really?

[cyan ravine]

I've used it

[scarlet lotus]

G-SYNC Ultimate, Nvidia Reflex so these things are useless Xd

What’s ultimate anyways tho

[cyan ravine]

You can still boost your latency response without reflex tools

You set low latency mode to 'ultra' and it works without the screen having the tech to measure it

[rigid oracle]

i love gsync

[scarlet lotus]

Also how is AMDs graphics cards with ray tracing

[cyan ravine]

Worse but RT a meme

Next gen up to change that tho

[scarlet lotus]

How?

[stoic island]

Btw you sure it has the actual reflex chip?

[frigid night]

yeah but adapters?

[stoic island]

Afaik only like 240hz+ panels got the extra reflex chip thing

[scarlet lotus]

@stoic island

[cyan ravine]

The cult bois don't seem worried about adapters vs. hpwr connectors

Just as long as the cables aren't flexed hard

[frigid night]

it's the connections catching fire

it's not just them being bent

[stoic island]

Oh hey it does

That's fun

[cyan ravine]

Eh adapters on fire?

[frigid night]

yeah lol

[scarlet lotus]

Cables?

Will I be able to power a rtx 4080 Xd

[frigid night]

huge issue about them degredating very quickly.

It's recommended that if you are going 40 series to get a atx3.0 psu to avoid possibly destroying your whole PC, even your house.

[stoic island]

This bit?
https://cultists.network/9139/no-12vhpwr-doesnt-have-a-low-rating/

[scarlet lotus]

Do I need to change power supplies?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I thought it was just them being bent too hard causing terminal issues

[scarlet lotus]

I just got this power supply 😭

[cyan ravine]

12vhpwr too

[stoic island]

The melting was from bending

[frigid night]

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6FiGEAp928

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p48T1Mo9D3Q

also

not just from bending lol

just unplugging and plugging is enough to degrade them enough to cause them to melt or catch fire

[stoic island]

Man

That's what the link I sent talked about

[stoic island]

It's a completely normal conservative estimate that was given out

[frigid night]

talked about gamers nexus maybe, but not jayz vid since it was release after your link.

[stoic island]

What does it talk about

Can't watch video rn

[frigid night]

he goes into more detail about the inner of the connectors and how they are much smaller and more prone to degrading just from plugging and unplugging. Even just him plugging in and unplugging repeatedly in the vid you can start to tell that some issues start arising.

[cyan ravine]

GN literally saying it's bending and terminal issues and connection cycles, not the adapter quality

Have to note that in usual scenarios an RM850X can definitely handle 300+W per 8 pin cable too

[frigid night]

It's not just quality. It could be high quality material, but a weak part is a weak part

[stoic island]

Mechanically they're not rated for more than a couple dozen plugging in and unplugging anyways, as the article says, which is normal compared to the current gen stuff.

And that's a conservative estimate normally

[frigid night]

idk. I myself think it is dumb to recommend something like that with the potential to cause a fire.

especially since a lot of people have to bend their cables to put their psu in their case.

I for example have to bend mine pretty good and I have a 5000D

Jayz gives a really good explanation how most users aren't going to be aware of the bending issue as well. And a lot of people first thing they do after they plug in their GPU is start bending those cables to start cable management.

[stoic island]

Tbh that's also just on like 3/12 cables pci sig tested iirc

[frigid night]

All I'm saying is with current issues with adapters.. I myself will advocate against the adapters.

[frigid night]

so potentially 30/120.. That's a lot

300/1200

that's an insane amount

[stoic island]

3/12 designs

From 3/12 different model psus

[frigid night]

different designs of psu adapters that plug into the same design of plug?

[stoic island]

Yea, I think it might also just be a couple specific designs

We'll see

[frigid night]

Until there is solid grounding proof that a fire hazard is non existent.. I stand my ground 😛

I still don't think it's solid enough to be recommending them.

[frigid night]

That is up to you. I say yes. However, it is in your best interest to do some research before you decide. 40 series however still isn't released so you have time.

[analog pulsar]

i will test it out ill get a 4090 and use my 850W on it with the adapter

but even then if gpu only pulls 450W should be fine

[cyan ravine]

Sure, you try it then get back to me lol

[analog pulsar]

breaking news: kenzies house burnt down from a nvidia adapter

[cyan ravine]

I still hold true to my statement, as long as the cable isn't flexed hard a 4080 16gb on an RM850X with a 5800X should be fine

I went and watched those two videos and still saw the same info, obviously you don't daisy chain but that specific PSU comes with more than enough PCIe cables and pigtailing I believe is still supposed to be ok on that specific PSU

[analog pulsar]

btw hes using info based off something that was proven false or what is fake anymore .........................the internet doesnt lie

[cyan ravine]

Ya

You're right actually

[analog pulsar]

all i say is wait until it comes out and if people start providing more proof like pics of said fire then ill believe

[cyan ravine]

I stopped watching J2C a while ago after his knowledge of the scene dropped way off and degraded into like, sensationalism

[analog pulsar]

i never watched just certien times

[scarlet lotus]

Thank you all for the information @analog pulsar @cyan ravine

@frigid night

[analog pulsar]

I mean you could always just sell it or return it and buy atx 3.0 psu

[scarlet lotus]

It’s like 4-5 months old😭

[paper summit]

Phanteks (PH-EC360ATG_DBK02) Eclipse G360A Ultra-fine Performance Mesh, Mid-Tower Gaming case, Tempered Glass, Digital-RGB Lighting, Black https://a.co/d/3t7Yo0x

Hows this case

[stoic island]

It's neat, should be 90$ though

[paper summit]

Think its worth

Or r there better options

Cause i dont wanna spend an extra 60 on fans

With other cases

[little osprey]

One sec

@fossil cedar https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ybfnwc

Sorry, I was out with a girl

I'm back now

[paper summit]

Couldn't relate tbh

[short yoke]

Couldn't be me

[frigid night]

inb4 dudes house burns down because he listened to you.

the fact that you have to even say not to bend the cables for risk of fire should be enough to say NOPE

[cyan ravine]

So you're in the camp of just not recommending someone any next-gen nvidia card at all? Because I'm informed on your sources now and they all say it's terminal related, meaning it's the connectors not the cables themselves so all 12VHPWR would be off the table then

You know that advice wouldn't fly with a lot of people, they'll still go buy it anyway and try and work it out on their own which to me is worse when they're uninformed

[frigid night]

What i got from the vids was the connectors themselves, not the terminals? Also not anything to do with 12vhpwr. Just the adapters.

[frigid night]

I would very much recommend a next gen nvidia card.. but only with atx3.0 psu, unless the 4070 and below use normal connectors (idk this for sure)

[cyan ravine]

It's the same on both adapters and 12vhpwr spec

[frigid night]

The 12vhpwr dedicated (for lack of better word atm) actually has extra pins the adapters don't have.

[cyan ravine]

The sense pins have nothing to do with it

It's the power pins having low contact surface and thus pushing high amperage through as a low resistance point

Due to the flex

To be clear, I'm not endorsing poor design, I am just in the camp or educating over telling people to keep away here cos there will always be someone buying it

As with everything in the pc space, there is always a bad way to execute something lol. As long as it's well known, it's better imo than telling anyone just stay away, especially when it's the gpu, you got two brands (and hopefully three) in this space

[frigid night]

I guess the way I think about it.. we know that those psu are a certain tier and prone to being bombs/catching fire, don't use them. We know that those adapters have a pretty high potential for melting/catching fire so... don't go for them. We aren't recommending the psus that are known to catch fire, so why are we recommending other stuff that can as well?

Making someone aware of something is different than flat out recommending it and saying it'll be fine.

[mossy venture]

i agree with neo here

[cyan ravine]

Again, not endorsing the bad design, but you know that someone or many people will buy these

The adapters aren't even the problem tho

[frigid night]

They are though.

[cyan ravine]

It's the plastic clip at the end, like every other time a psu cable melts

[frigid night]

Ok, but no other psu that we recommend has cables that melt when you bend them slightly to much.

[cyan ravine]

And the simple answer is just don't bend them?

Much like, don't bend an ssd, don't stuff a hdd in diagonally

[frigid night]

Thats different as heck man.. cables are meant to be bent to be able to route them. Ssd and hdd are meant to be put in a certain way as not to hurt their integrity. Idk about you, but even in my 5000D I have to bend my cables pretty darn good to get them in a manageable space. Adding an adapter would just increase the length, therefore increasing the need to bend even more.

[cyan ravine]

Again, they imply just the bend, the cables are fine

[frigid night]

I'm not even talking about cables man. I'm talking about the bend. Its literally what my whole last paragraph consisted of.

Ok well I'm talking about cables, but the bend in them

The fact that my cables have to bend more than that even in my big case..

I can only imagine how much bend someone with a smaller case/psu shroud will have to do just make their back cover fit on.

Making people aware of the potential issues is awesome. I get doing that. What I don't understand is how we make people aware of the bad psus for risks and advising against them, but still recommending these new adapters.

[cyan ravine]

How is the RM a bad psu?

You got the cultists gushing over the new HXi and it has no 12VHPWR on it

That's what those lads are gunning to buy, adapters are dwarfed in that side of it

In due time I'm sure we'll see fixes to the cable issues but for now I'm in camp of education

Because regardless of the danger, it's either that or tryna talk them out of a new shiny card

And I simply believe you can't convince a good portion of people

I don't even disagree with the SFF point but I think people should be aware of the issue more than ever especially when they go to make a build like that so they don't end up burning their system ofc

[frigid night]

I'm not saying anything about that specific psu. I'm talking bad psu in general. We advise against them. So much so that we will push and push for them to rethink which psu they should get. So why aren't we doing that for the adapters that have the same issues? If something so simple as a to hard of a bend can potentially make me lose all my belongings, then why would I recommend that to someone else? That's stupid as heck imo.

Making people aware of yes. Recommending it.. no. Advise against it until it's been fixed and let them decide for themselves.

[cyan ravine]

Because again, it's not the adapter, it's the connector

[visual maple]

Hey! I recently started using my pc again after around a 3 month break, and within minutes of turning it on my cpu temperature goes to 85+ resulting in my pc turning off. My case fans also flicker and change colours but that could be an unrelated issue and im not really worried about that. I have a 5950x and 3080 with a corsair h100x 240mm cooler. any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

[mossy venture]

I would check mount and paste

and make sure the fans in the aio are spinning

[frigid night]

Either or. My point is not whether its the adapter or the plug. It's the fact that it has the potential to destroy whole homes and not recommending them until it's been fixed.

[cyan ravine]

Ok, I had to dig this article up and it's my last piece of input on the subject. As you say, it has the potential to render a given PC into a house fire for sure, but it is purely based on the way the cable is flexed. This issue stems from all versions of 12vhpwr in general, for the last time. So again, we go back to my previous point up in reply. You are not going to stop people from buying high end next gen Nvidia, especially when they have some ridiculous 4K+ display that costs them over $1500.

So we come to the finale, just don't bend the damn cable. You are not gonna convince people off a 4080 or 4090, instead teaching them that they can't do X or Y with it as a form of education is a much more approachable solution than just telling them all BIG BAD and trying to ward everyone off. We have plenty of examples of people ignoring that in this server and there are plenty of samples of those people where that has come back to bite them.

https://cultists.network/8815/melting-12vhpwr-connectors/

[cyan ravine]

I have said it since the start and won't say it anymore. It is purely the way it is flexed. Much like an AM4 bios update or an lga1700 bracket, if that simple note can't be followed, then forget about it. End of.

[frigid night]

I never said anything about warding people off. In fact, multiple times I've stated I'm all for educating them on the potential hazards. I understand that people are going to get a 40 series if they want to aside from what anyone tells them. I'm not arguing any of those points. I'm also not arguing whether it's the adapter or the 12VHPWR or the plug that's the issue. What I AM arguing is not recommending them in their current state and waiting for the issues to be fixed before doing so. To advise the people of the issues and advise that it would be best to wait, but if they want to deal with the potential issues that's on them. I'm not sure where I'm losing you on that.

Still love you though @cyan ravine

On a side note.. all the xp we got towards our ranks for this debate. :D

[fossil cedar]

Tuf 550w is still your best choice

[cyan ravine]

[brittle tinsel]

is it possible to fix an external hard drive at home?

the cat knocked the playstation off of my brothers desk and since then, the hard drive, still works, but it drops in and out.
I formatted it to windows and it flickers in and out

I also have a pc/phone/tablet tool set

[analog hearth]

idk wym by “at home” but the PS4 using a 2.5” SATA hard drive. you can swap in any drive that is 2.5” and (I think) it has to have at least 500GB

[analog hearth]

you could also swap in a 2.5” SSD if you wanted to

[brittle tinsel]

like take it apart, and try and to get it to work.
its not an internal drive, its external via usb port in a hard plastic shell.
ive swapped wires in its still in and out, if you kinda shack it lightly you can hear a rattle so Im thinking something may be lose that shouldnt be

I would take in apart and look but ive heard that hard drives must be open in a climate controlled room and the air must be filtered which is why I was asking if I could try and do it here

[rich void]

If the issue is a loose connection it's possible you could open up the casing and better secure it

Depending on the casing you may be able to open the shell non-destructively.

[analog hearth]

you can take the drive out of the enclosure. in an external drive case, there’s an internal drive

they basically use the same parts

[jagged ember]

you won't be able to fix it

but you can take it apart if you want it to break forever

[brittle tinsel]

what would you suggest? it doesnt work, and if I cant fix it here, Idk what to do, we couldnt afford to pay to have it fixed before, and now with the hurricane, we gotta put money towards evacuating.

[jagged ember]

if it's dropped it likely means the hardware itself is damaged

other than paying there's nothing I know of that can fix it

[granite delta]

Hello can anyone help

I just bought an rx 580 and it’s really slow I tried to download amd adrenaline but it says it’s not compatible

[potent portal]

Which version did you try to download? Maybe try this one https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/whql-amd-software-adrenalin-edition-22.5.1-win10-win11-may10.exe

[granite delta]

thats the one I tried

I thought maybe it's cause I have an apu also installed

[obsidian wigeon]

where did you plug your monitor to?

is it the back of the motherboard?

[granite delta]

no

[obsidian wigeon]

that's definitely weird

[granite delta]

the gpu is really slow

[potent portal]

Can you post pictures of the GPU? Specifically the fan shroud and any stickers that might say a model

Fakes do exist

Oh and the back where the video ports are

[potent portal]

Everything checks out that I can see, should be the real deal

Try another PCIe slot

[granite delta]

Yeah didn’t look fake to me

I only have pcie slot

But my 1650 super works fine

[potent portal]

What CPU do you have?

[granite delta]

Ryzen 3 3200g

[potent portal]

Ok maybe try DDU with the 1650 installed, and tick both Nvidia and AMD options using the clean and shutdown option. Swap GPUs while it's shut down, then try to run the install again.

!ddu

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[rocky idol]

Hey all, what would be the main rreason for getting black screen after building a comp?

[frank stirrup]

literally anything

[rocky idol]

lol i think everythings plugged in correctly tho

[obsidian wigeon]

Are you totally sure?

[rocky idol]

everything lighting up and spinning

[frank stirrup]

list of all ur stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

Where did you connect your monitor to?

[rocky idol]

Its my friends comp. But heres his parts

[frank stirrup]

idk why but my prediction is ram/cpu

[rocky idol]

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card
NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair RM750 (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit
MSI Optix G24C4 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Curved Monitor

[obsidian wigeon]

oh wow

all outdated and overpriced parts, woo

but on another note

[rocky idol]

haha

[obsidian wigeon]

ram and/or cpu is probably problem

i already see some red flags

[rocky idol]

i think he got it at the beginning at pandemic and never built it

[obsidian wigeon]

4 dimm

would start with taking out some ram

[mossy venture]

ye, specifically two of the sticks

[frank stirrup]

yep 2 sticks of ram

[rocky idol]

thats what i suggested and it didnt work

[mossy venture]

try just 1?

[frank stirrup]

try just one

in slot 2

[mossy venture]

stop copying me rawr

[frank stirrup]

1 is closest to the cpu

and 4 is farthest away

[rocky idol]

copy

[frank stirrup]

cope?

did i use it properly?

am I cool now

[rocky idol]

cooler than ice

[earnest olive]

bruh

why do people do this

it's been like 3 years

[rocky idol]

ass for brain thats why

but thats my best friend ❤️

the ram in one slot didnt work

do you think using hdmi instead of display port matters

[fossil cedar]

It depends

[rocky idol]

on what

[vernal surge]

do any of the Q-LEDs remain lit when you power on?

[rocky idol]

if thats the lights on the card then yea they stay on

[vernal surge]

lights on the motherboard

https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1042678/

[rocky idol]

yea those stay on

[vernal surge]

all of them?

[rocky idol]

what would all the lights be

[vernal surge]

did you click the link?

[rocky idol]

Only the dram is lit up

[fossil cedar]

The versions of hdmi and display port and if it has gsync/freesync

[vernal surge]

so it sounds like it is the RAM. did you try a single stick with all four sticks, and in slot A2 as recommended by the user manual?

[rocky idol]

yessir

still didnt work with 1 ram

[vernal surge]

try different RAM kits if you have any

pull one from another computer or something

Asus also suggests reinstalling your CPU. might be a bit of a pain depending on your cooling solution, but you don't have anything to lose

[obsidian wigeon]

meh, i suspect it's just ram

it's new ram buying time

[rocky idol]

its working. all 4 ram and a displayport instead of hdmi made it work idk

[little osprey]

Looking for a Razer headset that's under $70 that's pretty decent, would anyone know anything?

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Nari-Essential-Wireless-Auto-Adjusting/dp/B07HZ5N8QT/ref=asc_df_B07HZ5N8QT/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312760964359&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13194059451257633438&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1015844&hvtargid=pla-601066957878&psc=1

I was looking at this, but I've gotten feedback that Razer products aren't the best

So I'm coming here for suggestions on other Razer products

[viral ore]

most razer peripherals are crap

mainly due to the software that comes with them

[little osprey]

I'm mainly just looking for a headset with a decent mic and isn't gonna break on the first day

[viral ore]

itll break in a year

[little osprey]

Otherwise I couldn't care less about audio

[viral ore]

only reason to get razer headphones is because you already have a razer kb or mouse

and already have to deal with synapse

[little osprey]

Yup

[viral ore]

then get whatever looks coolest

theyre all equally mediocre

tbh they would probably sound great to you if youve never used expensive audio equipment

[little osprey]

Probably

What about a Kraken headset, would you suggest any of those?

[winter condor]

just get urself desktop speakers and a mic

boom end of the problem

[frigid night]

sometimes that is the problem

[winter condor]

ptt for the mic

[winter condor]

Im trying to be ironic

[viral ore]

yeah, theyre fine

i think the nari would be better

esp considering its half off

[little osprey]

Yeah

razer has great mice

everything else is mediocre at best

But I only have $43 😭

[viral ore]

do you want wired or wireless?

[little osprey]

I really don't care TBH

what is he looking for

[viral ore]

in that case, you can just get something wired that isnt razer

not wired usb tho

[winter condor]

wired- annoying, faster sound responce
wireless, not annoying, a bit slower (almost no diff) in sound responce

[viral ore]

those need drivers 🤢

[winter condor]

sometimes the bt can lag out and get a massive spike

[viral ore]

bluetooth is awful for desktop use

[winter condor]

but usually headphones are on dongles so there should be not alot of latency in the sound.

[little osprey]

lol what

it does matter

[winter condor]

but spikes as always can occur

[little osprey]

audio compression

[viral ore]

dongles are the way

[viral ore]

at the sub 50 dollar price range, it doesnt matter in the slightest

[little osprey]

most if not all gaming headset whether it be wireless or not is going to be bad

[winter condor]

there are pros and cons on wired/wireless

[little osprey]

lol

@viral ore https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N85FY1G/ref=twister_B09N7HTFVR?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

just save up more and get good gear

[viral ore]

yeah, that would be fine

[little osprey]

Razer headsets are landfill

[winter condor]

just get good sound quality headphones, most of them have 3d surround already and theyre wired and wireless

there aint no problem with that

I use my headphones like that and theyre fine

[little osprey]

lol

[winter condor]

its easier and less complicated

[little osprey]

I'm broke and couldn't care less

[viral ore]

thats what i figured

[little osprey]

I'm more focused on spending more money on my PC itself

[winter condor]

welp then financial problem

[viral ore]

they will serve you well for a year, maybe two if you treat them right

[jagged ember]

it's fine for a headset

[little osprey]

I've had my BlackShark for a year now, still work great, I just don't prefer the feel

[winter condor]

I treated my headphones right and they broke a month later 😭

[little osprey]

I just like the Nari's look and they look a bit heavier

And I kinda like a heavy headset

[viral ore]

if you can afford the naris, its for sure worth it at 50 dollars

[little osprey]

I'm probably gonna go dump some spare change I've been collecting at the bank and see where I am from there

[viral ore]

gl

[little osprey]

Thanks

please don't get that headset lol

[little osprey]

Nari or Kraken?

Also I just noticed the Kraken has a retractable mic which I like

nari

kraken is worse

[viral ore]

the kraken does have that, its pretty nice

ive used one, now that i think about it, a buddy of mine has one

[little osprey]

huge scoop

you're literally losing detail

[viral ore]

what were you expecting for sub 50 bro

[little osprey]

does not do a good job

[viral ore]

itll work fine for gaming

[little osprey]

there's good headphones for 50 bucks

[viral ore]

music will sound mid tho

[viral ore]

headset*

no

[little osprey]

how do you plan on listening to subtle cues when you're losing 60% of the sound spectrum lmao

[viral ore]

headphones have mic?

i always forget

[little osprey]

no

[viral ore]

you arent losing anything...

[little osprey]

you lose incredible detail

[viral ore]

my buddy hit top 500 in overwatch with the kraken

as far as gaming is concerned

doesnt matter

[little osprey]

I'm not a War Thunder sweat and don't need to hear enemy tank engines

@viral ore, thanks for the help though

[stoic island]

yes you do need to hear enemy tank engines

[viral ore]

can it war thunder nerd

[stoic island]

You're at a big disadvantage if you don't

[stoic island]

:(

[viral ore]

(:

[little osprey]

My eyes do do a better job than my ears

But alright

[stoic island]

any semi-close quarters map sound is huge

[viral ore]

lol

[stoic island]

Even at lower tiers, Sudo can testify, we nearly died to a t34 on a hill behind us on hurtgen forest, but I heard them

anyways

sound in wt is more important than you might think

[little osprey]

I haven't even learned the maps yet

[stoic island]

don't need to learn the maps

[little osprey]

I kinda just go head on

[stoic island]

sound is just really good in general

going head on and hearing someone flanking is important

anyways just don't underestimate the impact of sound

Even in air, I preemptively flared here because I heard a plane coming in, and that saved me

[little osprey]

I'm stupid and don't use tactic to my game play

@viral ore, is the Viper Mini a decent mouse?

[stoic island]

nor do I, a sweaty person would be looking all around and spot the missile before me, but I just run head in trying to missile someone, I was only saved because of sound

Viper mini is fine

although its a bit small, you might be able to palm it with the hump depending on the size of your hand

[dusky hearth]

fun fact: you can eat any mushroom in the wild

just note that you may be only able to eat some once

crap wrong channel

i thought i was in general

[little osprey]

I have no clue the size of clue

[weary galleon]

It's a good mouse but it's tiny, hence the name

[keen nimbus]

yo ryzen 7 5800x3d or i7 12700k?

[mossy venture]

12700f

And a b660

[strong raft]

13400 & B660. ADL refresh w/ Ecores aka an imitation 12600K