building-and-recc-chat

[limber oyster]

I was gonna get some straight from the manufacturer but shipping was $77

For a $20 order

[leaden mauve]

tubing?

So you're not using an AIO?

[limber oyster]

Just fluid

[leaden mauve]

oh

If you plan to go sub-0 you could do mix the water with glycol or something

[limber oyster]

Was gonna use Amazon/Newegg but I can't find clear. They have dyed but not clear

[green tapir]

e

[little osprey]

So, I am thinking about getting one of these:

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6900-xt-11308-13-20g/p/N82E16814202411?Description=Sapphire Toxic AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT&cm_re=Sapphire_Toxic AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT-_-9SIAD6HHFJ6803-_-Product&quicklink=true

What I would like to know is I have a case that has space for a 360 AIO/Radiator in the front, is it practical or economical as far as cooling to put it in the front since I already have an AIO on the top of my case?

Or should I get a different card without the water cooling/hybrid cooler style?

[cyan ravine]

that one isn't worth it

not xtxh

not for 1300

one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tH2WGX/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-oc-formula-video-card-rx6900xt-ocf-16g

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pRgFf7/powercolor-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-red-devil-ultimate-video-card-axrx-6900xtu-16gbd6-3dheoc

these ones are faster than the one you linked @little osprey and also $500 cheaper

these are XTXH so they're unlocked to run faster than that XTX toxic

[little osprey]

@cyan ravine Ok, ya I found one at amazon for like $900 of the one I linked, I am asking about that one because of the hybrid style of cooler. I am willing to look at the two you sent, but do you think it will make a difference between the two you sent and one with the liquid hybrid cooler?

[cyan ravine]

yes, because these two have plenty beefy air coolers already, so you'll have no problem pushing them further than the limits of the XTX versions (Like the liquid hybrid one you linked)

they're binned higher as xtx-h

[little osprey]

Also Memory C has lost its mind if it thinks someone has any plans to buy at that price

[cyan ravine]

grab it at newegg for 799

it's not worth spending 100 more over a normal 6900 xt just to go amazon

otherwise the cheapest 6900XT would be worth doing

[little osprey]

Ok, thanks, I appreciate it. My 2060 just doesn't do it for me with MSFS kickin its butt every time I fly, so I figured, why not go big, right 🙂

[cyan ravine]

that seems fair

I agree with kicking it up, also, what psu do you have?

It's wise to get a psu a with a good 200-300W more generally if you go for such a power hungry card

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-120-gp-1000-x1-1000w/p/N82E16817438134?Item=N82E16817438134&quicklink=true

[cyan ravine]

yeah, you'll probably be alright

what cpu?

just for a sanity check

[little osprey]

I just got an X3D

[cyan ravine]

yeah you'll be fine

go for it

[little osprey]

Think I will get the Power Color one 🙂 Mainly because it comes with an anti sag bracket

Thanks Felix

[cyan ravine]

np

[empty pollen]

sag bracket can be easily diy with some leggo blocks

and some imagination 😛

[little osprey]

I can get the first, I have none of the second

[digital imp]

so my comp started crashing when im running stuff on both of my monitors

if i have a game running on one and youtube on the other

never happened to me before

any idea why that might be?

[little osprey]

does it BSOD or just turn off?

[digital imp]

it crashes the graphics card

[little osprey]

So your computer is still running, but you have no video?

[digital imp]

yup

[little osprey]

What is your g/c?

[digital imp]

6700 XT

[little osprey]

Ok, so I am going to ask stupid questions, nothing against you, but go with it please

Have you cleaned it recently? Is it dirty?

[digital imp]

Yup dusted and cleaned

[little osprey]

Have you tried to monitor temps when you do this?

[digital imp]

Temps are stable

It’s really odd, it just started happening randomly

[little osprey]

you said the card was cleaned, did this start before or after the last cleaning?

[digital imp]

Before

[little osprey]

ok give me a second

how big is your psu?

[digital imp]

850

I’ve been running the comp for 5 months with this setup and been fine

It’s like the past two weeks something happens

Happened*

[little osprey]

Ok, so you have a large enough PSU, obviously.
You said this started before you cleaned the card, so it is probably not a physical connection issue (i.e. card seated, power cables fully connected)
Card has been cleaned so its not choked
Temps are fine

When you update drivers, do you do the automatic update, or do you use DDU and wipe and do a fresh install?

[digital imp]

DDU always

[obsidian wigeon]

What's your cpu and gpu? Also exact psu brand and model would give a better idea on identifying the problem

[little osprey]

And the 80+ rating as well

[cyan ravine]

try just a factory reset in adrenaline, sometimes DDU can mess with AMD drivers a bit

it's not like Nvidia where DDU is the cleanest and most reliable method always unfortunately

[digital imp]

ryzen 9 5900x

evga supernova

80 plus gold

[grim wraith]

RMA the card I started having that issue with my 6900xt when I had it and it was an issue with the vbios

[analog pulsar]

Here is a SN850X with heatsink dismantled

[obsidian wigeon]

damn

[analog pulsar]

I can say I don't think they wanted ssd to come out

The bent stuff on left was me with my teeth

[paper summit]

Oh my kenzie why....

[vague oracle]

…why

Just use a small flathead

[analog pulsar]

I did kinda

But this ssd was stuck on

@paper summit @vague oracle stop asking why....just don't do what I did 👍

But yea youtube had many removal ssds but I don't thunk this was was

[paper summit]

Lmao

[analog pulsar]

This is a lie

https://cultists.network/8815/melting-12vhpwr-connectors/

[frigid night]

so... does it work?

[analog pulsar]

Dead

[frigid night]

what on it did you break for it to not work?

I'm just curious.

[empty pollen]

he tried to rip the heatsink

yeah... kenzie moment

[paper summit]

Isnt that ssd brand new 😭

[forest briar]

yes

[paper summit]

I

Bruh

[frigid night]

yeah, but what caused it to be dead though? like I get he ripped the heatsink off... with his teeth.. but I'm wondering what it was that broke on the board itself.

I'm just imagining some croods style scene of one of the cavemen looking at the ssd wondering what it is then tearing into it with their teeth. xD

[empty pollen]

probably sinked a razor blade or a screwrdiver between heatsink and pcb and shrooooommm ripped half pcb and/or an ic

at least i think that's the most probable scenario

feel bad for the nvme tho

[frigid night]

orrrr he drooled all over it.

That's not a cheap nvme either is it?

XD

I saw that haha

[empty pollen]

well, it was a 850x tho

not a cheap drive

its like killing a p41... oh the pain!

[analog pulsar]

@frigid night my only thing I can't think of

And the ssd was bent

[frigid night]

ah, so the PCB itself got messed up.

[empty pollen]

layers and layers of broken traces

painful to imagine

[analog pulsar]

Haha

[stoic island]

Poor nand chip

[little osprey]

Hey is anyone in here particularly knowledgeable about case fan pins and motherboard header compatibility?

[empty pollen]

here pal

hope that helps you

[little osprey]

That does somewhat. My main question was can a 3 pin argb go into a 4 pin header and will it retain the argb function?

[empty pollen]

no

they have different voltages and pin layout

they are not interchangeable

look at the picture, the left side

only power for the fans are interchangeable, both 3 and 4 pin headers work

but argb and rgb headers are NOT interchangeable

[still roost]

Alex__!#0813 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[earnest olive]

it will retain orange rgb function for approximately 0.1 seconds as it burns

[empty pollen]

hahaha

[earnest olive]

they have different operating voltages

[little osprey]

Well, looks like I’ll be returning some things lol

[earnest olive]

if you feed 12V into something expecting 5V you're probably not going to have a good time

[little osprey]

2 of the argb fans I bought are 4 pin and were shown compatible when I was building out the pc. Ordered some extra to replace the stock fans and I guess I didn’t read the specs right because I’m looking at them right now and they clearly say 3pin

[earnest olive]

uhhh

if it's 4-pin it's not argb

sounds like false advertising

argb refers to 3-pin 5V standard only

[empty pollen]

different voltages

[earnest olive]

the most suspicious thing i've done

was take a 4-pin RGB male to male adapter

cut off 1 pin

[empty pollen]

guide yourself with the number of wires on the cable if in doubt

[earnest olive]

and stick it in a 3-pin ARGB female connector

[empty pollen]

3 or 4 wires

[earnest olive]

it worked

[empty pollen]

oh my gawd

really?

[earnest olive]

but that was converting argb to argb still

not changing standards

[little osprey]

🤦🏼‍♂️ after all my research I’m now questioning everything I did

[earnest olive]

it was a weird argb controller that had an ARGB female output instead of ARGB male as expected

contacted their support and they said you'll need a male to male pin thing to use it with anything else

i only had 4-pin male to male adapters

so i just... cut off 1 pin from each side

these things

this is what i needed

[empty pollen]

oh

thats more like it

[empty pollen]

not the first one who made a mistake, nor the last... heck if someone tells you that they never made a mistake... they are lying

[earnest olive]

i've never made a mistake

hides broken 3090

[empty pollen]

👀

all for some thermal pads

sad to hear that you got a lower binned card as replacemnt 😦

[earnest olive]

it's still decent, i can't complain

but the card i broke was like

golden sample

i got 22136 on that card with just some preliminary testing

new card hasn't been able to do better than 21881

in time spy

f

[empty pollen]

:S

https://tenor.com/view/pay-respects-press-f-call-of-duty-respect-press-x-gif-22309724

big F

[analog pulsar]

Since we on pins

Where would I plug this at

[empty pollen]

argb header

look for one in your mobo

but first to be sure

3 or 4 wires on the cable?

[empty pollen]

GDV header if yor cable have 3 wires

does your cable has 3 wires?

[earnest olive]

it's 100% an argb cable

[empty pollen]

then yes, to the G DV connector

[earnest olive]

the 4th hole is filled in to prevent plugging into 12v rgb

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive it's alive

Leds go brrrrr

[icy crater]

If my friend wanted to get their own pc would it be irresponsible of me to tell her to use used parts if it will be a way better deal?

[empty pollen]

no

it would be irresponsible of you to let him get used parts without a lot of research first

you can get some pretty good deals if you know where to look

but you need to have a good eye and good knowledge about the parts you are about to buy

appearances can be deceiving

[icy crater]

Yeah I told them to do some research on parts and recommend some. She said a friend recommended NZXT and I felt that might be a little overpriced.

[empty pollen]

it is

but brand recommendation is irresponsible as well

all brands have good units and bad units

[icy crater]

Did you know some good prebuilts?

Like around $1000 ish?

[empty pollen]

not my area of expertise, hopefully someone will come to help you on that

😦

[icy crater]

Ah ok np.

[upper condor]

if im trying to run 1440p 144fps consistent in a large amount of games what type of pc would i want?

for reference heres what i have now: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/82cVbK

i know my pc is decent and i dont need to upgrade but i want to so

preferably under 2k?? no clue how it is these days so

[cyan ravine]

you're not getting anywhere near 1440p 144fps?

[upper condor]

on like overwatch yeah

[cyan ravine]

ok

[upper condor]

but any graphically intense games i barely scrape 1080 100fps

i put it together two years ago when i was really stupid so i probably did something wrong idk

[cyan ravine]

actually the list isn't bad tbh

[jagged ember]

it's not bad yeah

cooler is quite overkill for a 3600 but you can carry that over

[mossy venture]

if you are able to, I'd definitely wait for upcoming releases in the next couple months

since the pc is definitely very capable, and you'd get quite a bit more from waiting

[upper condor]

idek why i got that i just thought itd be cool

a lot of stuff was added later

[jagged ember]

not sure how its not getting to 144fps on 1440p though

[cyan ravine]

you could do this for now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BPwNzf

then wait for new gpu's

[jagged ember]

are you running the games on ultra graphics?

[upper condor]

yeah

[jagged ember]

oh yeah that's why then

[upper condor]

shouldve specified

[cyan ravine]

and get a new psu when new gpu's drop

[upper condor]

my b

[mossy venture]

eh, i don't get 144fps in most games on a very similar pc on high 1080p

[jagged ember]

you're gonna wanna turn em down a bit to get to higher fps lol

but it's super capable as felix said

[upper condor]

😢

but the point is i dont want to 😔

the main game is rdr2 ngl so it makes sense

[jagged ember]

oh ic yeah

[cyan ravine]

it's capable but all games 144fps? You'd want something on tier with a 6900xt or better for that

[jagged ember]

true

[cyan ravine]

hence me saying

[cyan ravine]

.

[cyan ravine]

.

[jagged ember]

upcoming gen is spicy

[upper condor]

how many months would you guess until itd be smart to buy?

[cyan ravine]

as soon as next month is a possibility

[upper condor]

damn i was expecting like half a year aight thats nice

[cyan ravine]

you also have potentially big price drops coming with the mining proof of stake coming

like, less than 24 hours away

[upper condor]

wait are they doing that? like fr now?

[cyan ravine]

apparently so yeah

[mossy venture]

ye, it wouldn't surprise me to see used 3080s for $350-450 and possibly even lower

[jagged ember]

but that also might mean selling your 6700xt will not give a large profit margin

[upper condor]

i remember doing a school project like 2 years ago about why proof of stake is better

[jagged ember]

proof of stake is a good direction

but iirc that kinda just makes it actual currency

[upper condor]

better than proof of work still

i hgope those massive mining farms all explode

[jagged ember]

no no

i hope they sell their gpus at low prices

if they explode it's all ewaste

[upper condor]

i hope it explodes WHILE theyre in the farms my bad

[mossy venture]

it's switching to pow

it's pos atm

[jagged ember]

yeah i haven't been paying attention to crypto clearly

[mossy venture]

I get them confused all the time

only reason i remember rn is i saw a screen shot sips posted earlier

[cyan ravine]

ehh? so it already switched?

and then again?

[mossy venture]

no

[upper condor]

idrc how its switching as long as prices go down 😭

[cyan ravine]

proof of stake is the model where you can't just freely mine

[mossy venture]

nvm wideus

you were right im wrong

lmao

[cyan ravine]

[jagged ember]

ree

[mossy venture]

omg i forgot i have $8 in bitcoin

im rich

[cyan ravine]

but yeah you could drop in an upgrade on that board to a 5600 and some more ram

or even 5800X3D with a new cooler

that chip is projected to be somewhat similar in games to Zen 4 (7600X at least)

[upper condor]

im willing to spend i just dont know whats good anymore

are amd gpus getting better

[cyan ravine]

ofc

[upper condor]

or is nvidia the way to go or what

[mossy venture]

nvm it's down to $6.74

im less rich

[cyan ravine]

whichever is the best price-performance

[jagged ember]

well make the decision when they release

[mossy venture]

current gen is a toss up, next gen we'll have to wait and see

[cyan ravine]

brand or camp doesn't truly matter if it's a gaming build

[jagged ember]

no need to decide now

[upper condor]

is there a daaaaate or not yet

just q4 2022?

[mossy venture]

40 series is supposed to be super power hungry, but I do have a small hope that they're going to have two different versions of each gpu

[jagged ember]

it's very soon

[mossy venture]

there's going to be two different 4080s one for efficiency one for performance

[jagged ember]

a week left?

[mossy venture]

I'm hoping they have two different ones for each card

[cyan ravine]

4090's already have the 16 pin

which is expected

[mossy venture]

either 18th or 22nd iirc

[cyan ravine]

wow they really do look like 3090 ti's

time to buy a real 3090 ti

[upper condor]

welp i guess ill come back in a few weeks then?

money isnt really an issue but obvs the less the better

[cyan ravine]

yea that would be good

[upper condor]

without sacrificing performance

[strong raft]

3090 ti has the new 12pin also.

[cyan ravine]

it's worth waiting for just about everything rn really

[upper condor]

man every time i come here someone says that 😭

[cyan ravine]

new cpu's, gpu's, ssd's, ram, psu's

all of it is gonna shake the market

[gentle pollen]

ABS Gladiator PCs sometimes has some good deals.

[jagged ember]

pfft

[upper condor]

sounds good

in my experience with amd gpus tho

[jagged ember]

i built my new iphone therefore it belongs in build chat

[upper condor]

iffy

[rich void]

Needs more lenses

[cyan ravine]

needs more googly eyes

[gentle pollen]

Oh g0d, it's an AMD user.

Someone call the green police. ||just joking||

[upper condor]

😭

its true

tbh id rather have gotten nvidia

[upper condor]

its just more supported and better optimised

or it was when i got 5700xt

[cyan ravine]

eh idk

[mossy venture]

question

[cyan ravine]

a lot of people say that but my nvidia drivers break half the time I touch anything

[mossy venture]

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-DDR4-ProSeries-Motherboard-Socket/dp/B09GLD6LYW/ref=sr_1_10?m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&qid=1663118037&refinements=p_n_feature_three_browse-bin%3A2057458011%2Cp_36%3A-17000%2Cp_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A10656895011&rnid=5657491011&s=warehouse-deals&sr=1-10 do i go for it

without a way of testing it for a month or two

[cyan ravine]

no

also, consider b660m pg riptide or mortar max if you want more oomph and bang for buck

it's been said 13th gen may not work with bclk oc tho

[mossy venture]

idc about bclk oc, I'm likely going to go for 13600k, so z690 would be nice to be able to oc

[cyan ravine]

oh z690

my b I thought it was b660

[mossy venture]

such a good price

[cyan ravine]

it's a good board

[mossy venture]

$120 z690

ye

[cyan ravine]

117???

[strong raft]

Those iphone pics looking like spider eyes are disturbing. 🤣

[cyan ravine]

that's worth it

[mossy venture]

then z690-p is same price too on warehouse

[cyan ravine]

who the seller tho

[mossy venture]

both used good

[cyan ravine]

amazon warehouse???

WORTH

AAAAA

But no cpu

[mossy venture]

do i do it

[cyan ravine]

[jagged ember]

that's what innovation looks like

[cyan ravine]

it's not gonna get cheaper than that any time soon wth

OOO

IDEA

[mossy venture]

i think it's straight from the MSI store too

[cyan ravine]

do a separate 12100 buy

then return 12100

[mossy venture]

yeah i considered that

or what about that like $40 celeron

[cyan ravine]

yeah that works too

only 1 left I would do it

[mossy venture]

mmmm

[cyan ravine]

I would totally do it

look at past Z boards and their prices

[mossy venture]

i think I'll hold off. Ocing isn't something i 100% need, would just be nice to have. I'm sure there will be more good warehouse deals closer to when I'm buying

i saw tomahawk wifi z690 for $160 earlier too

[cyan ravine]

Pro is enough for just about anything tho

that's an amazing price

[mossy venture]

i knoww

it's amazing

[cyan ravine]

you did this with the 3080 too I feel like you will look back on this later

[mossy venture]

there's tons of other lga 1700 mobos for good prices on warehouse rn, I don't think it's a one time thing

[mossy venture]

nah that was ravell

[cyan ravine]

ah

oh I thought you might've been interested too

my b

[mossy venture]

nah, I'm content with 3060 ti for now

my next upgrade will likely be 50 series

I've been waiting for cpu+mobo to build for like 6 months

keeping gpu, ram and storage, have everything else but cpu and mb

[cyan ravine]

tbh I'm gonna be surprised if I see z790 ddr4

not really any point improving last gen any more than now unless I guess some brands had copium speeds

[gentle pollen]

I'd honestly be surprised if DDR4 boards are still being produced by the time 50 series comes out. Amazed if they still exist come 60 series.

[high yew]

buddy may buy my gigabyte b660 mobo off of me. think for my next mobo i'm gonna grab an asus mobo, most likely a b660 as i don't think i need anything more or less. any suggestions? i have an i7-12700f and a 3080 12gb

[mossy venture]

they've been confirmed iirc

[mossy venture]

if you need wifi, b660m-a wifi or mag mortar. If not, mag bazooka

[cyan ravine]

that asrock submission to the whatever thing I remember yeah

[high yew]

don't need wifi, have ethernet. any asus suggestions as both of the ones you suggested were msi :D

[mossy venture]

there really aren't many good price/perf asus boards, I'd highly suggest against buying based off of brand. i guess this? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J9Fbt6/asus-prime-z690-p-d4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-z690-p-d4

unsure how good this one is https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9VpzK8/asus-tuf-gaming-b660m-e-d4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b660m-e-d4

@high yew

[high yew]

thanks!

[icy crater]

Got it, thank you.

[frigid night]

@rugged anvil nice basic setup. What stands out to me though is your leg warmer. That's a good idea:P

[rugged anvil]

yeah man, i definitely didn't take it off google images 😳

[cyan ravine]

Damn, I like the small touches

Nothing big from this boi

[unborn mesa]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-1600-p-220-pp-1600-x1-1600-w/p/N82E16817438232

thats a decent discount if i say so myself

[knotty grotto]

Hey all. I'm very new to the whole custom PC world and have a very limited idea of what I'm looking at. Wheres the best place to get help on what I should be looking into? I've done some google research as far as processor, video card, etc.

[frigid night]

Use https://pcpartpicker.com/ to build us a list of what you've found. Then link it here with what you are wanting to do with your PC and what your budget is. Then we can really get into what will be the best parts for ya to look at.

[empty pollen]

👀

[knotty grotto]

Well already off the bat I'm not exactly sure what I should be looking at on that sight. I'm wanting to build a PC that can easily handle photoshop and adobe lighroom and also do some moderate gaming (new releases and things like Skyrim with some nice graphics mods set up)

[empty pollen]

start with your budget and your country 🙂

how much you are willing to spend on a build like that

[knotty grotto]

USA and up to $2000 (would definitely like to keep it under that if possible)

[earnest olive]

sounds like a 12700k ddr5 3080ti angle

though photoshop would be happy if you waited for 13700k

photoshop loves single core perf

[gentle pollen]

13th gen is coming out this or next month?

Can't remember?

[earnest olive]

next i think not sure

[gentle pollen]

G0d the wait is gonna kill me....

[earnest olive]

i'm chilling

[gentle pollen]

I wanna do my RTX 4090 + 13900K/KS so bad.

[earnest olive]

my i3-12100 holds up surprisingly well against a 3090

[gentle pollen]

Seriously?!

[earnest olive]

the magic of ram overclocking

[gentle pollen]

Damn.

[earnest olive]

reduce cpu bottleneck from 50% to 10% 👍

even at resolutions below 1080p it keeps up pretty well

at 1440p the cpu bottleneck is basically 0

[gentle pollen]

Huh interesting.

Why would you play below 1080p with a 3090 though?....

[earnest olive]

dlss @ 1440p

[gentle pollen]

Ahh ok.

[earnest olive]

1440p display 835p render

[gentle pollen]

RT enabled or no?

[earnest olive]

12100 works great with rt on or off

rt on should be increasing the cpu bottleneck

but it's not bad

[gentle pollen]

Ahh nice.

After experiencing RT, it's hard for me to go back.

I always enable it when possible.

[earnest olive]

worst case i see like a 20% bottleneck in cyberpunk at 835p with psycho rt

[knotty grotto]

Is liquid cooling worth it? I'm looking for something quiet

[earnest olive]

liquid cooling isn't always quieter than air cooling

liquid cooling still has to use fans after all

[knotty grotto]

Hm. Well I'm running a 2011 Sonyu VAIO laptop that damn near sounds like a jet engine

[earnest olive]

at least an aio would be recommended for a 12700K though

oh

well

[gentle pollen]

You could get like an AIO and put on large low RPM fans to lower the noise.

[earnest olive]

any desktop is going to sound quiet compared to an 11 year old laptop

[knotty grotto]

Lol

Should I not really worry about what fan i get then?

Also how much of a difference is there between the i5 12600k and the i7 12700k?

[earnest olive]

meh

a little bit higher clock speed

a little bit better in photoshop

you'd be best off waiting for 13th gen

[knotty grotto]

Will I really be able to tell the difference?

How long till the 13th gen comes out?

[gentle pollen]

Should be a month from now.

"should", not guaranteeing it.

[knotty grotto]

Doesn't that mean the price is going to be astronomical?

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d3mKk9 here's something you could do now though

[gentle pollen]

Not really unless you're outside the U.S that is.

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2mmKk9 could go down to 12600K and add a 2tb ssd

[gentle pollen]

Can a 750 watt really handle that?

[earnest olive]

i ran a 3080 and a 3070 at full load at the same time on 650w

🙂

[gentle pollen]

.....

[frigid night]

with a 12700k?

[gentle pollen]

I think you won the silicon lottery on boith.

[earnest olive]

no, a 3600X LOL

but this psu will be fine

[knotty grotto]

So what makes the 13th gen worth the wait vs whats currently out?

[earnest olive]

higher single core perf

adobe apps eat up single core perf

[earnest olive]

nah

the 3070 was a great bin

the 3080 was probably the worst 3080 in the world

ended up getting rid of it for a 3090 because i hated it so much

🙂

[gentle pollen]

better single core and multicore as 13th gen has double the E-cores compared to 12th gen..

[gentle pollen]

How?

[earnest olive]

could barely OC at all

[gentle pollen]

Ahh I see.

[earnest olive]

traded it to a guy who doesn't OC

[gentle pollen]

Should I bother OCing my 3070 again?

[earnest olive]

in exchange for his 3090

doesn't hurt

i undervolt the 3090 now

[gentle pollen]

I had it reach 2,050mhz Core Clock + I think 300mhz memory clock when I last did it.

[earnest olive]

i can choose between 3090ti performance at 3090ti power draw or 3090 performance at 3070 power draw

no brainer to me

[gentle pollen]

nice.

[earnest olive]

my 3080 could only do uhhh 1935mhz core clock and +435 on the memory

my 3070 could do 2220mhz core clock and +1250 on the memory

[gentle pollen]

In my next build I plan to get a 1200-1500 watt ATX 3.0 psu for future proofing.

[gentle pollen]

Nice.

[earnest olive]

felt a little bad selling such a platinum sample 3070 to someone i knew was going to mine on it

but gotta get rid of my spare hardware before moving any way i can

[gentle pollen]

At least they'll get good use of it.

[frigid night]

What kind of deals you got? DM me bb xD

[earnest olive]

lol I have almost nothing left

just a 4770k test bench with no gpu is left

and I move tomorrow morning

[frigid night]

dang. and here I am with a bag of money that sits on a stool next to my PC chair.

[gentle pollen]

You could give me that money and I give you my XBOX ONE S.

[frigid night]

ha

[gentle pollen]

Lmao.

[frigid night]

https://tenor.com/view/harley-quinn-suicide-squad-dc-comic-margot-robbie-crazy-gif-17073814

[earnest olive]

I feel like this 4770k rig isn't worth shipping

[frigid night]

idk what a 4770k is

[earnest olive]

I was gonna built it into a budget gaming PC to sell

but no time

i7-4770k?

[frigid night]

oh

[earnest olive]

it's a full pc minus case

[frigid night]

I got plenty of cases

[earnest olive]

rate my setup lol

[frigid night]

I'm just not gonna reply anymore to this convo lest someone misconstrude it as me trying to buy something from you.

[gentle pollen]

Nasty. (jk).

[frigid night]

However.. Check them DMs xD

[earnest olive]

there is a slight lack of cable management holes

[gentle pollen]

Mhmmm.

if you say so.

[knotty grotto]

Someone once told me that its beneficial to have 2 forms of storage. He said he had is system files on a SSD and then everything else on a HDD. This make any sense?

[gentle pollen]

You coulda just zip tied it all into one large cable.

[earnest olive]

only if you need cheap mass storage

and don't care if it's slow

i don't have any hard drives in my build

[gentle pollen]

My builds are all pure M.2 storage.

[knotty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-23918002

[earnest olive]

i brought that test bench to starbucks once

[gentle pollen]

IS THAT CARDBOARD?

[earnest olive]

yes

it is a cardboard box case

[gentle pollen]

.....

[earnest olive]

my gf at the time had to come with me to fight off all the women i was getting with that cardboard box pc

i was using it to test a used graphics card before buying

[knotty grotto]

How do you run things without storage?

*hard drives

[earnest olive]

there is a 512gb ssd in that cardboard box

[gentle pollen]

Your screwing with me right?...

[earnest olive]

yes

she did come with me

but she just sat there and watched

she did not have to do any fighting

she was pretty small she would probably not win many fights

[gentle pollen]

Damn, you shoulda said "no" that way we can let Barney Stinson add this to his "Play Book".

[earnest olive]

5'0" 90 lbs

[knotty grotto]

so was this poking fun at the newish guy? 😛

[earnest olive]

oh

you're misunderstanding

ssds are also storage

you don't need a hard drive to have storage

i just store everything on ssds

[knotty grotto]

so SSD's arent considered hard drives?

[earnest olive]

nope

[gentle pollen]

I know what SSD stands for, but don't remember what the extra H stands for in HDD.

[earnest olive]

hard disk drive

solid state drive

[gentle pollen]

SSDs are Solid State Drives.

[earnest olive]

they both accomplish the same task

however

[gentle pollen]

Hard Disk Drives well put simply literally scratches a disk for storage.

[knotty grotto]

gotcha. thought hard drive was just a term for all storage devices. good to know! thanks!

[earnest olive]

hard drives are slower, more power hungry, less resilient, but tend to last longer

their main benefit is being cheaper per gb if you really need to store like 18tb of photos

ssds are hundreds of times faster

[knotty grotto]

Well I do have 2 external hard drives for photos...

[earnest olive]

you have a pretty high budget, so you can afford to run full ssds if you don't have massive storage needs

there you go then

don't bother putting a hard drive in your pc

just use the externals for mass storage

[gentle pollen]

Hmmm, how much does an 8tb SSD normally cost?

[earnest olive]

i use my pc for gaming and dev work, neither of which has insane storage demands

[gentle pollen]

I might get a couple.

[earnest olive]

forget about 8tb ssd with your budget

unless you want to cripple the rest of your system to hell

[knotty grotto]

cripple?

[gentle pollen]

?

[earnest olive]

cheapest 8tb ssd is $700

your whole build budget is $2000

[gentle pollen]

I have a 5,000+ dollar budget.

[earnest olive]

you don't want to spend 1/3 of your budget on an ssd lol

not you

oh

wait

[gentle pollen]

I am a different guy man....

[earnest olive]

i thought it was the konig guy asking

oops

[gentle pollen]

Your thinking of Konig.

[knotty grotto]

oh sorry apex, didnt realize i should be wearing my moncole with this conversation 😛

[gentle pollen]

But yeah.

[knotty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/yeheyy-happy-money-rain-upbeat-raining-money-gif-13865846

apex over here like...

[gentle pollen]

So 8tb SSD is usually around $700?

[earnest olive]

how much ssd storage do you need?

you'd be better off grabbing 4tb mp34s @ $350

the $700 8tb ssd is sata

[gentle pollen]

I can chew through 3TB pretty easily, plus extra if I wish to keep videos from recording on hand.

[knotty grotto]

So is 1tb good enough for what most people would need for games or what ever?

[earnest olive]

cheapest 8tb nvme is $1038

[gentle pollen]

1-2 is kinda the standard today.

For normal use with games getting as big as they are.

[earnest olive]

really depends

you can be an esports gamer and get away with 128gb

average gamers would want like 1tb

1tb ssd very cheap now anyways

[gentle pollen]

how much would a 4tb NVMe cost?

[earnest olive]

.

[gentle pollen]

I've seen 4tb M.2 SSDs cost $400.

[earnest olive]

my budget z690 has 4 nvme slots

[knotty grotto]

I'm getting too old to care about most games these days. So not gonna play a whole lot. Mostly minecraft and bejewled. Maybe some SimCity2000...

[earnest olive]

that would be 16tb of fast nvme storage already

[gentle pollen]

1tb should be fine then.

[earnest olive]

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-4tb-mp34/p/N82E16820331702

[knotty grotto]

(was a joke) 😛

[earnest olive]

you mentioned photoshop and lightroom

[knotty grotto]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

video editing does take up a fair bit of storage

photoshop docs can get pretty large too

i linked you two part lists already

[knotty grotto]

I've been going off the 1st one you sent

[earnest olive]

one of them has 12700K + 1tb gen 4, one of them has 12600K + 1tb gen 4 + 2tb gen 3

[gentle pollen]

1hr of footage in 1080p let alone 4k which I plan to record in once I get my 4090 takes 30GB of space per hour of footage.

[earnest olive]

having your video editing projects on ssds helps a lot

just scrolling through the video timeline

you will notice a difference between hdd and ssd

huge difference

[gentle pollen]

Will PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSDs work on PCIe 5.0 motherboards?

[earnest olive]

so depending on how much video editing you do it could even be worth downgrading the gpu to buy more ssd storage

yes

even 3.0 will continue to work

[knotty grotto]

Yeah I had my HDD replaced with a SSD in this laptop about 5 years ago and theres a massive difference. Was gonna stick with SSD but wasnt sure if it was really worth it to have a massive HDD inteneral

[earnest olive]

i have a 3.0 ssd working on a 5.0 enabled mobo

[gentle pollen]

Got it.

[earnest olive]

you could have an hdd to store projects you are no longer actively working on

but you mentioned having external already

[gentle pollen]

Will take a peak around for some 4tb 4.0 SSDs later and a 5.0 once those come out for my boot drive.

[earnest olive]

4tb 4.0 ssds sounds painful for even a $5000 build budget

[gentle pollen]

Gonna get a 2tb 5.0 first and some 4tb ones later.

[knotty grotto]

Video editing not so much as large photos. Also what do you mean downgrading the gpu for more ssd?

[gentle pollen]

I already got another 2tb M.2s I can stick in my mobo for mass storage until I get the 4tb ones.

[earnest olive]

looking at around $500 for 4tb gen 4

wouldn't be surprised if the first 2tb 5.0 drives land around there as well

[gentle pollen]

Sounds like what I've been looking at.

[analog pulsar]

I found for $494

[earnest olive]

since you have a $2000 budget cap

if you wanted to add even more storage something else would have to downgrade

[mossy venture]

the mp34 is an m.2 ssd

[knotty grotto]

Oh I got ya

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2mmKk9 this one has 3tb ssd storage without making significant compromises

[frigid night]

I have an mp34. I like it mucho

[earnest olive]

you could downgrade from ddr5 to ddr4 and/or 3080ti to 3080 to squeeze out some more storage if it was really needed

[frigid night]

I like my ddr4, but I'm planning on going for ddr5 soon.

[gentle pollen]

Is Sata III SSDs the equivalent of a PCie 4.0 M.2 SSD?

[mossy venture]

not exactly equivelant

[earnest olive]

lol

no

[gentle pollen]

I've only ever used Sata SSDs on my laptop.

Been using M.2 for years now.

[earnest olive]

sata 3 is much slower than gen 3 nvme

the best sata 3 drives are around 1/6 of the speed of gen 3 nvme

[gentle pollen]

Nvm thend.

[earnest olive]

1/12 of the speed of gen 4 nvme

[gentle pollen]

The cheapest 4.0 M.2 SSD i'ved found at 4TB will cost me more then 2x2TB 4.0 M.2 SSDs.

[earnest olive]

yeah

so it depends on how much ssd storage you need

2tb is the sweet spot for price to capacity

but m.2 slots are limited

so if you truly need 32-40tb of nvme storage you have to buy 8tb drives

[gentle pollen]

For me, 3 is doable so long as I delete my footage afterwards but if I intend to keep them then around 8tb is the sweet spot (assuming, 4k footage isn't like 6x bigger then 1080p footage).

I guess for price to storage/performance I will just get a mobo with 4-5 M.2 slots and get lower capacity M.2 SSDs.

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RJPLfv using the 12900ks as a 13900k standin and the 3090ti as a 4090 standin

can't guess the price of the 4090 yet

[knotty grotto]

Since I'll be sticking with SSD I don't need any internal bays, do I?

[earnest olive]

nope

m.2 ssds slot directly into the motherboard

no drive bays used

most cases will have some sata ssd mounts anyways

and some hdd mounts that you can also put sata ssds in

[knotty grotto]

And a blu ray/dvd writer is a 5.25, right?

[potent portal]

Typically yes

[knotty grotto]

or is that something I should look at getting externally?

[potent portal]

You can get internal if you want but personally I'd go external for convenience, and that way case selection isn't limited to only ones that have 5.25 bays

[knotty grotto]

Im not wanting a fancy case with lights and windows myself. The only thing I'm concerned about is USB ports and compatability

[earnest olive]

it's not necessarily about lights and windows

the best airflow cases now all don't have 5.25" bays

[knotty grotto]

Still need good airflow for liquid cooling?

[frigid night]

grats on the lvl up

[potent portal]

Yes since you need air to cool the liquid

[knotty grotto]

Maybe I should just use a cardboard box 😛

[earnest olive]

the liquid in liquid cooling doesn't actually cool the processor

[frigid night]

Sips gets chicks with his

[earnest olive]

it just moves the heat to be cooled by air somewhere else

[potent portal]

You can unironically do this

[empty pollen]

👀

[knotty grotto]

Lol yeah oragne mushroom was demonstrating theirs \

[potent portal]

Spreading it out in the process yes

[earnest olive]

it is more practical to have a large 360mm radiator mounted to your case than hanging off of the cpu

that's basically all the liquid cooling is for lol

[potent portal]

Speaking of, my LFII 420 is coming in a couple hours

[gentle pollen]

oh nice.

AIO or rad for open loop?

[potent portal]

AIO

One of the best for the price, I got it from b-stock for $75

[gentle pollen]

Nice.

[knotty grotto]

So then is liquid cooling really worth it?

[potent portal]

That depends on how much heat you're trying to move

[gentle pollen]

Really depends on the use case.

[knotty grotto]

How do I know when its worth it and when its not?

[earnest olive]

mostly depends on your cpu

[gentle pollen]

Do you want best performance or best noise? You need to sacrifice one for the other.

[potent portal]

In my case I wanted at least a 360 for my 5800X, since that's one of the hottest modern chips. I got the 420 because I can lol.

[knotty grotto]

I'm building my list and I'll share it but want to make sure I'm not getting things I dont need

[gentle pollen]

For example, if you want a good balance of performance and lower noise a 420mm AIO is good.

[mossy venture]

balance of performance isn't exactly 420mm aio

[potent portal]

Nah most people don't need a 420

Most cases can't even fit a 420

[gentle pollen]

360mm?

[gentle pollen]

I know.

[potent portal]

360 is good for high end chips

[gentle pollen]

very few do.

[mossy venture]

280 would be balance of perf imo

[gentle pollen]

Will 240mm AIOs even work for 12th gen anymore?

[mossy venture]

240 is uneccesary when ak620 is as good as most 240mm aios

[potent portal]

12400? sure

[mossy venture]

12700f and lower would do fine with a good 240mm

[gentle pollen]

Cough, 12700.

[potent portal]

12600k unlocked power limit? Probably not

[potent portal]

That's getting into high end range where 240mm was never meant for anyway

[gentle pollen]

You guys are more experienced then me when it comes to different AIO sizes. Can you help him out?

I'm not the right guy to talk to on this particular subject.

[potent portal]

Have them join here, it's hard to talk through a middleman

[gentle pollen]

@knotty grotto

[knotty grotto]

Yes?

[gentle pollen]

Talk to this fine gentlemen here for if you would be better off with AIO or Air cooler.

[earnest olive]

for the 12600K/12700K your use case calls for, you'll want an AIO

[potent portal]

280mm is good for those, even with some light overclocking

EVGA CLC or a b stock liquid freezer like I got would be good cheap options

[knotty grotto]

So can I add more USB slots to a case? With what I need/want I'm looking to hook up an external hard drive, a wireless mouse/keyboard, phone, and maybe a spare for what ever

[earnest olive]

pcie usb card

[empty pollen]

man, i lost so much chat

especially when the ak620 was involved

[knotty grotto]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DgKbcb

[empty pollen]

thicc boi

[knotty grotto]

what i have so far

[empty pollen]

i should go with a ls720 for a little bling 😄

[knotty grotto]

Im not worried about bling. more than likely the case will stashed behind my tv (as my laptop currently is) as I use my 60" tv a monitor

[gentle pollen]

😵‍💫

[potent portal]

Half price on the same cooler https://www.ebay.com/itm/354077186811?hash=item5270a51afb:g:mUwAAOSwIRdjFwtS

Sold directly by Arctic

[empty pollen]

as long as you dont put the case on the floor... everything is fine 😄

[knotty grotto]

Why not the floor?

[empty pollen]

here 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6VGXLW6hWM

[inland parrot]

Is this a good list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jYhxW4

[mossy venture]

are you gaming?

[inland parrot]

Yes and for vr

[mossy venture]

are you deadset on that case?

[knotty grotto]

So I've had a guy at work tell me 32gb of ram and now my brother-in-law telling me 64gm of ram. I am confusion

[inland parrot]

I might change the case to P500a

[earnest olive]

from itx to p500a...

[inland parrot]

Yes

Unless you have a better case, I have the P500a and that case is amazing

[earnest olive]

it's just like

why did you pick itx in the first place if you feel indifferent about moving to such a huge case

[mossy venture]

I'd get g360a over it

If you're fine with the gpu not being white I'd do smthn like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jLxCgb

[potent portal]

32gb is top end for gaming, going any higher than that you'll actually lose performance

[knotty grotto]

What about photo editing?

That's my biggest concern for the build. Gaming is second

[potent portal]

Are they 16k photos or something?

[knotty grotto]

No

[potent portal]

Then you don't need more than 32gb

[knotty grotto]

Good to know

[empty pollen]

if you are into photoshop 8k and premiere 4k videos and things like that maybe 64gigs is justified

[knotty grotto]

Out of curiosity how does too much ram lead to performance loss?

[empty pollen]

if not, 32 is enough

[potent portal]

Yeah 8k video editing and 16k photo editing calls for 64gb

[empty pollen]

thing about the ram as big storage room.... the bigger it is the harder for the imc (the warehouse boi) will be to reach and use everything there

[potent portal]

Increased stress on the memory controller means your maximum speed and latency will be capped

[empty pollen]

unless you justify that big of a space, its a performance loss

[potent portal]

Gaming on max settings I rarely even use 16gb

[empty pollen]

and as falcie said, the bigger it is, the slower it gets

[knotty grotto]

So it looks like the new camera I will eventually get will take 8k photos. So I'm not gonna go with 64gb

[empty pollen]

if you cant justify that much ram then its a plain performance loss.... not counting the money spent as well

[knotty grotto]

I really appreciate everyone's help and insight!

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V6BJTn for VR Build

[lilac ember]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kLVHVc

[mossy venture]

I'd get gf1 850 for a bit less, and there's an $800 3080 ti rn

imo also worth getting a 32gb 3200c16 kit when spending that much on a pc

[strong raft]

🤣 1 of the better simple memes I've seen, not kidding.

[barren void]

That’s not science that’s arson

[empty pollen]

those sketchy rebates.... its 830 without the rebate

[empty pollen]

get a 3200c16 kit

not a 3600

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZKBG3C/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaad

here pal

or this ones if you want t force

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bcnypg/team-t-force-vulcan-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-tlzgd432g3200hc16fdc01

[inland parrot]

@empty pollen @mossy venture https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C9vcNc

[empty pollen]

you can get a cheaper 3080ti btw

[inland parrot]

Yeah I know

[empty pollen]

there

40usd cheaper

[inland parrot]

It's that the same gpu

[empty pollen]

oh really ma bad

[inland parrot]

Lol 😆

That was thr same gpu that was on the list before

[empty pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r8sgqm

[inland parrot]

I will just work with what I have now

[cyan ravine]

$30 for the trio could be worth it if you vbios flash a higher power limit

but the GF1 worth $5 more

definitely

The SSD could change to MP33 tho

[inland parrot]

What is GF1

[cyan ravine]

this

and the ram, there's SP gaming iirc it's cheaper

[inland parrot]

Oh makes sense

[empty pollen]

yeah but he wanted the t force

i gave him both options 😛

[cyan ravine]

not worried if he wants t force

That's still a reasonable buy

[empty pollen]

yeah its like 3 extra bucks

[cyan ravine]

but this is worth

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

other than that, list is good

[empty pollen]

true

[cyan ravine]

2TB hard drive is fine but you could also consider a 2TB MP33 just on it's own instead of 3TB total

either way is fine

[pine sage]

Just a question.

I have little to no knowledge on PC building, but I need some advice. I’m thinking on getting a bundle of a ASUS PRIME mother board with a combination of an intel i7 core. I’m looking to save a few bucks and these bundles look like they could be the real deal. But are they worth it? And if so how would I know that the core is compatible with the mother board?

[empty pollen]

which bundle?

and which i7?

11700? 10700? 12700?

[cyan ravine]

prime is usually an ok board from asus

not always the first choice tho, especially with an i7

if you're referring to the micro center bundles tho with the 11th gen chips, those are good

[strong raft]

People can keep in mind, $300ish will also get a 12400 w/ a decent mobo, possibly even 12600K(F).

[pine sage]

Check this out on @Newegg: ASUS PRIME Z590-P LGA 1200 Intel Z590 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard and Intel Core i7-11700K - Core i7 11th Gen Rocket Lake 8-Core 3.6 GHz LGA 1200 125W Intel UHD Graphics 750 Desktop Processor - BX8070811700K

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4508918&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-4508918-_-09142022

This should be the proper bundle (apologies for the late response)

[wide sparrow]

damn

great deal

[pine sage]

I know, I want to save a few dollars and this seems like a good deal, but I’m not sure if it’s worth it

[cyan ravine]

That's pretty decent tbf

[mossy venture]

bit more than 5600+b550 pro vdh wifi

[icy crater]

Are computer locks worth it? Do they actually prevent pc theft?

Or at least act as a deterrence?

[leaden mauve]

Do you mean locks that go on the case? For towers? Or the laptop lock things

[cyan ravine]

Kensington locks??

Kensington locks are pretty effective

[potent portal]

Kensington style locks are mostly a deterrent, anyone with a bolt cutter can still take it.

[icy crater]

Like for pc I'm not sure what they are though I haven't done much research.

Can kensington locks be used for desktops?

[potent portal]

Not a lot of home desktop cases have the kensington holes

Business models do

[cyan ravine]

Suppose you'd rip something off if you tried pulling a desktop on a kensington

[barren void]

Do you think the pricing on 20 series will drop When 40 series comes out

[potent portal]

20 series is almost 100% a used market by now, which has taken a massive dip already due to no more mining of Ethereum. In the next few days/weeks we'll probably see another price crash from panic sales of used mining GPUs, which are totally usable for gamers provided some level of care was given to the cards when mining.

[barren void]

OK thanks cause I didn’t know for sure but I thought maybe

[little osprey]

Hey does anyone know if it’s possible for 1 case stand-off to be taller than the others? Washers were included in the extras with the case so I’m wondering if they need to be used to help raise the other standoffs for an matx mobo

[potent portal]

Sometimes one standoff will have a peg that helps hold the board in place but other than that they should be the same

[little osprey]

Ahh i removed the one with the peg thinking it was just a place holder to show configuration or something

[potent portal]

Nope it's a guide to center the board before you screw it in. It helps hold it straight.

[little osprey]

I’m an idiot that would explain a lot. I’ve been trying to get the mobo in for ages, correct matx spots etc and it just wouldn’t work

[potent portal]

It can be tricky

[little osprey]

I’m also petrified I’m going to break something so that doesn’t help either

[potent portal]

You'll also want to double check it's not stuck on the IO shield

It's highly unlikely you'll break it

I've dropped bare boards that still work

[little osprey]

I have a rog strix and it came out the box with the io shield already on the mobo, should I remove it for the install and then replace it?

[potent portal]

Nope if it's a pre installed one just leave it

[little osprey]

Thanks

[little osprey]

Your help paid off. I put the peg stand-off in and after some wiggling around everything fell right into place

But now I am stuck on a new question lol. Mobo manual shows the gpu slots as pciex16(G5) or pciex16(G4) . Build videos online said to use the upper most (G5). My 3070 box says pcie 4.0 support so can I use the G5 or do I have to use the G4 slot?

[empty pollen]

the slot near your cpu is the one to be used for your gpu

usually that one have the full 16 pcie lanes

you use the other pcie x16 slot just in the odd case that your primary slot is non functional or you have a second gpu

physically both appear identical, but the one near your cpu have all the pins inside, while the other only have half the pins

also the slot near your cpu have direct communication with the cpu, while the other had to pass first thru the chipset to reach the cpu

[little osprey]

Yeah I figured it out thanks, I was honestly just second guessing myself.

[little osprey]

Is 550W gonna be enough to run a 12100 and a 1070?

[mossy venture]

yes

as long as its a decent model

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-550b-550w/p/N82E16817320010?Item=N82E16817320010&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-Qhn8csBC3JsKcbdepTmsUg

[cyan ravine]

Good model 👍

Good price

[analog pulsar]

My pc turned into an oven without fans

I can feel the heat haha

[empty pollen]

well the o11 is an oven without fans, its literally a closed box

[cyan ravine]

need the mesh front kit

un-ovens your oven

[broken sorrel]

First time builder I put a list together and was wondering if this is all compatible. Also Amy recommendations for different components would be appreciated.
Motherboard: https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-x299-mark-2/p/N82E16813132994?item=9SIBB55J4U6536
Processor: https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-9800x-core-i7-x-series/p/274-000A-01NF3?item=9SIAYTVJ3N7176
Ram: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820231758?item=9SIBBR3HEE8413
Soundcard: https://www.newegg.com/creative-sound-blaster-z-se/p/N82E16829102110?item=N82E16829102110
Power supply: https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-a650gf-1000-w/p/1HU-001W-00089?item=9SIAYTVHBP4531
Case: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811129268?item=N82E16811129268

Looking for a decent starting computer to be upgraded later

[mossy venture]

what's your total budget, country and use case?

[empty pollen]

[cyan ravine]

[broken sorrel]

@mossy venture 1800
USA
Gaming

[mossy venture]

few min'

[broken sorrel]

@mossy venture not 18, 2k is

[empty pollen]

you can get a beautiful 12700 and 3080 on that budget

[mossy venture]

do you care about cpu overclockign?

[mossy venture]

here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yzZdv3

[broken sorrel]

@mossy venture this is just an amateur project we won't be pushing it so no big deal.

[mossy venture]

?

are you buying this pc or is it just a list for fun

[broken sorrel]

It's a list. I am buying some components for my kid and family getting him some for christmas

I just want to get it together so his relatives know what to get for xmas

[mossy venture]

I'd definitely check out that list i made then

the parts you were looking at are pretty old and outdated

[broken sorrel]

Okay that's why I asked thank you

[analog pulsar]

lets cook some pizza

[stoic island]

By the way, if you're going to wait till Christmas to build it, I'd wait till closer to Christmas for a final list

Prices change, new products release

[broken sorrel]

@stoic island okay thanks

[empty pollen]

now you made me hungry kenzie 🤨 why? T_T still 2 hours till lunch 😢

[stoic island]

Time for cookie

[empty pollen]

[analog pulsar]

Imagine having food to eat

[cyan ravine]

imagine being a robot like Kenzie

[analog pulsar]

I am no rebor

Rebot

[empty pollen]

you made kenzie to reboot felix

[analog pulsar]

Robot

Geez christ my brain just shut off

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/error-the-simpsons-not-found-robot-gif-5012717

[gentle pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sleeping-im-dead-gif-15157935

[mighty crow]

Some of my parts came in

[stoic island]

Good start

[mighty crow]

Yessir

Thanks to you guys I didn’t have to look too much into it

[green tapir]

niiiiice

[mighty crow]

Just built my desk too idk if this counts

[toxic wraith]

What’s a good mobo.for ryzen 7 5800x

[leaden mauve]

For an end of life platform, you'll get a LOT more for your money buying the motherboard and CPU 2nd hand off ebay and whatnot

@broken sorrel here's an example of what I mean:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/385114140951? 7900x for 15 + shipping

way better deal than the 7800x you found on a normal retail site

[broken sorrel]

@leaden mauve thanks a bunch you guys are so helpful

[leaden mauve]

Ill send you a board

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295215641936? @broken sorrel

Hasnt been tested though so the risk is up to you.

Though since it isnt being sold for parts you can technically make a claim if it arrives nonfunctional and get your money back + maybe keep the board anyway lol

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125502337006? A little pricey but it's an excellent board

[willow quest]

is there a setting on AMD that messes with video quality

like when you are watching something on a website

[limber oyster]

Nope

That's usually a website setting

[limber oyster]

I prefer Asus over gigabyte

[leaden mauve]

The aorus master is an objectively good board lol

[wide sparrow]

^

[cyan ravine]

I prefer Gigabyte over Asus a lot of the time

Especially lately, armoury crate is just a load of rubbish

Consistent issues on 2/3 systems

[leaden mauve]

you dont need armory crate...

[cyan ravine]

I do on the laptop

If I want to change performance profiles I have to do it using that

but no I don't use armoury crate anymore as a result on the other 2, I just use them to run static white or static black (Off) and it's been breaking constantly, so they're gone now

[high yew]

can i plug a case fan into my cpu_opt header?

[empty pollen]

in theory yes

[analog hearth]

bro’s PC looks like everybody else’s PC
#build-pics message

[frigid night]

pfft

if only his PC had a sensor panel/custom fan shrouds

[analog hearth]

even got the Samsung 980 lolll

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[frigid night]

I'm curious.. can I unplug a jrainbow from mobo while my system is on? 😄

[analog hearth]

just turn it off then add it

[frigid night]

Yeah, I was just kidding lol

I'm just having an issue with OpenRGB not wanting to apply colors to half of one of my fans that are daisy chained lol

[frigid night]

If I unplug the one fan from argb and plug it back in.. it works fine, until I change a color or start messing with brightness. It gets "stuck" to the changed value and doesn't want to change until its been unplugged and plugged back in lol

[limber oyster]

I might upgrade my 3080 to a 3090

[frigid night]

Are you buying the 3090 outright?

[limber oyster]

Mhmm

It's only $790

Sell my 3080 with stock heatsink for $500

Pay $290 out of pocket...

[frigid night]

What 3080?

Strix?

[limber oyster]

Mhmm

[frigid night]

Is it white?

[limber oyster]

No