general-chat

[idle nexus]

Miami in late June = hot & humid

[sour falcon]

My itx rig is worse than a PS4 that hasn’t been cleaned in 9 years

[idle nexus]

what CPU is in there? Intel 13/14th? lol

[rancid juniper]

davinci when seeing vram on the table

[upper rain]

i'm central FL so i feel you... but i know you have it that much worse than me too lol

[rancid juniper]

central air made life better

[lone mango]

1440p?

[upper rain]

do you have the paid version or does the free one use GPU now too?

[rancid juniper]

yuh

[rancid juniper]

free one uses GPU now

[upper rain]

that's hype asf

[lone mango]

Turn on render cache

[idle nexus]

depending where you are, you might have it worse. I went to Legoland in July two years ago & getting out of the car, it was hotter than some of the attics I crawled in as an electrician lmao

[upper rain]

i'm not far from legoland, so maybe i do lol

[idle nexus]

no breeze, triple digits

[rancid juniper]

imma check if its on but the render times isn't terrible

[upper rain]

yeah that's... a lot of the summer here 😂

[idle nexus]

I was worried the tires on the SUV would melt or something haha

[rancid juniper]

1440p 19minute AV1 video finished pretty quick

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[idle nexus]

or the asphalt would turn back to liquid

[lone mango]

Render cache may help with vram usage because it will render the transitions instead of having it there in real time

[idle nexus]

it was HOT

[upper rain]

i used to be a hype video editor but i haven't touched it in years. i should get back into it, but it might interfere with my grass touching

[lone mango]

It did for me at least

[idle nexus]

you get a 5090 or what? lol

[upper rain]

i want to go on a picnic tomorrow but idk who will go with me

sigh

[rancid juniper]

na 7800 XT

[idle nexus]

I suggest asking a portable A/C

[rancid juniper]

gpus now can render big video pretty fast

[idle nexus]

31.9gb VRAM?

[lone mango]

Brother

[rancid juniper]

thats probably when the vram spills over to system ram

[upper rain]

i know a place that tends not to be too hot even on bad days. but it's just rained so likely will be slightly more bearable tomorrow anyway

[rancid juniper]

LOL

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

but no my gpu doesn't have 32gb installed on the pcb

(i wish)

[upper rain]

with the power of clamshell mode

[frigid stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/740738027919245316/1389047805846356038/image.png?ex=68633314&is=6861e194&hm=389559bb8b4b692782f3a3021fa888c3fab0e5f00469b3c9830b3a345e2b17ca&

[upper rain]

i hope we get a goofy N4X 32GB 9080 xt. would be so funny

[frigid stag]

24gb soon 🗿

[rancid juniper]

18gb memory tf is the bit bus?

[lone mango]

5070s has a 4% core count increase

[frigid stag]

🤷

[upper rain]

oh look, they're dropping the cards they should have released at launch for still insane prices

[frigid stag]

I’m definitely getting the ti super

[lone mango]

The same, they are using 3 gig modules

[rancid juniper]

kek one of the sites calling it weird

[frigid stag]

I mean it makes sense gpus had 24gb since 2018

Titan rtx

[lone mango]

ti super has no core count increase

and 80 s

[rancid juniper]

still a crime the 5080 was marketed as 16gb

[lone mango]

they just clock a little higher and have the 3 gig modules

[upper rain]

wait really?

this is even worse than i thought lol

[rancid juniper]

so that card is just a waste of sand i guess?

☠️

[lone mango]

Yeah I think the 5070 s has an extra 300 cores or something

[upper rain]

5070 super is the only one that seems kinda okay, but that's only if it's at 5070 MSRP. if it is... eh i might get one ngl

[lone mango]

I think 4070 s might beat it still

Hold on I gotta see

[upper rain]

no way actually u might be right lol

[lone mango]

No wonder the price is higher still

[upper rain]

i forgot how ass the 5070 was

[lone mango]

rdna 4 on top of the list is crazy

[lone mango]

Yeah

That is totally a 70 class die guys trust me

[upper rain]

yeah

i mean...... maybe i could make it tolerable with mods 😭

idk if blackwell even takes voltage well

[frigid stag]

Isn’t the 2070 106

[upper rain]

yeah but the 106 is fcking massive

[frigid stag]

True

[upper rain]

it's like GA104 size iirc

[lone mango]

I forgot but it still had a lot of cores relative to the flagship

[frigid stag]

People were still noticing

[upper rain]

oh wait no it's 2070/80 tu104

it's the 80 that's weird for being a 104, not 70 weird for being 106

[lone mango]

Ok so basically this thing will be a 4070 ti

Great job novideo

[frigid stag]

1080 is 104 too

Same with 2080

[upper rain]

yeah..... so the card Nvidia should have launched last gen with thw vram it should have had last gen at probably a higher price than it should have been last gen

[sinful blade]

Isn’t the 1660S 104? Or am I misremembering

[upper rain]

BROTHER

1660 super is 116

[dense locust]

The 70 class card went from good to downright a scam

[tall pine]

Need some opinions fellahs.

[sinful blade]

Really?

[dense locust]

Slime girls are the best

[upper rain]

which is just 106 without any accelerators basically, but a separate die

it's the same shader count as 106 iirc. but smaller bc no RT or tensor accelerators

1660 ti gets full count, super is cut down

[lone mango]

Watch the 5070 super be $600

[sinful blade]

So THATS why any time I try to put RT on, it just brightens the screen lmao

[safe cape]

minimum

[upper rain]

😔#general-chat message

[upper rain]

yeah 😭😭😭

i'm surprised you even can, if you mean hw RT anyway

[sinful blade]

I like messing with the 1660S

[lone mango]

fr

[upper rain]

software lumen and stuff should work

[lone mango]

fr

[sinful blade]

Nvidia allows RT settings on the gpu

So

[lone mango]

Lumen is so bad

[safe cape]

turning fans off ?

[elfin mural]

non accelerated rt

[sinful blade]

It basically makes rivals shit the bed when I turn it on

[sinful blade]

I only have one

PNY supremacy

[upper rain]

i agree objectively, but i think it's impressive that it looks basically as good as Nvidia's RTX suite while running at way better performance

[misty sparrow]

Uhh yeah, I looked at your banner

[upper rain]

how come you get to say naughty words but i can't? smh my head

[lone mango]

When you walk into a room its as if light moves at a quarter of the speed, its like you shine a light around and see stuff slowly light up

[sinful blade]

Say it

Rn

[upper rain]

shit

woah

this is huge for me ngl

[sinful blade]

[dense locust]

$800 banner

[frigid stag]

We lost a ss 🥲

[upper rain]

nuh uh

[upper rain]

ass

[elfin mural]

this is comical

[misty sparrow]

was it worth it

[upper rain]

shitting out my ass rn (right now)

[frigid stag]

It’s back ig

[lone mango]

Is the past tense of trade still filtered

[sinful blade]

The filters are fixed

[lone mango]

I dont want to get owned a third time

[elfin mural]

yes

[tall pine]

I can opt for one of these two configs for my X3D CCD.

1. 8 cores that can do 5.8Ghz ST

2. 6 cores that can probably do 5.9Ghz ST

@lone mango
@sinful blade
@upper rain

[sinful blade]

8 core

[elfin mural]

he got timed out

oml

[elfin mural]

dyno got upset

[dense locust]

Tfw

[tall pine]

I agree with your statement about Slime Girls, xD.

[frigid stag]

I’ll try something

Unmute me if it goes wrong

[dense locust]

“No”
-mods prob

[elfin mural]

@lone mango u got owned

[tall pine]

Do you think the extra 2 cores would be better for games?

[safe cape]

yes

[lone mango]

Foog too

[lone mango]

[lone mango]

I guess go with 6 5.9 for the slightly higher single core speeds

[dense locust]

Also, yes

It was worth it

Technically it was $900

$100 to print

[lone mango]

Wtf

[tall pine]

By the way, is 5.9Ghz (+400 override) considered a very good sample?

[lone mango]

yeah thats pretty crazy

[dense locust]

Is it stable?

[lone mango]

Some chips cant even do +200

[dense locust]

I never overclocked mine

[elfin mural]

am i crazy for wanting 5070ti laptop

[tall pine]

Passed multiple benches so far

[dense locust]

Don’t trust my asrock board to overclock

[tall pine]

Haven't tried gaming

[elfin mural]

ik it's literally 5070 shoehorned into a laptop shell

but 12gb vram is finally starting to trickle into laptops

[dense locust]

It’s at a lower wattage so not as performant

[lone mango]

Yo foog got owned too

[safe cape]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/borderlands-4-system-requirements-demand-8-cpu-cores-and-8-gb-of-vram-but-the-reality-is-probably-a-bit-more-forgiving-than-that/ @tall pine some new games demand minimum 8 cores

[elfin mural]

without being a complete scam

[elfin mural]

ye, still fast enough for me

[elfin mural]

oof, hold on

[dense locust]

“But reality is probably more forgiving than that”

[tall pine]

Misa very happy to hear that. Only took 3 chips (2 needing RMA) to finally get a good sample.

Brb

[upper rain]

ty lol

[dense locust]

Does it have 12gb vram?

[elfin mural]

yes

[upper rain]

do u have the full version too or just banner?

[dense locust]

Yes

[sour falcon]

Can’t wait to build a sim rig capable of breaking my wrists

[upper rain]

lewd!!!!!!

[dense locust]

My wife

Slime wife

[upper rain]

i'm marrying hatsune miku

[sour falcon]

Holy

[sour falcon]

You have FU money

[elfin mural]

it's like 1.9k for a 255hx and "5070ti" lappy

ouch but not as ouch as 4080

[dense locust]

[dense locust]

Nah I just save

[upper rain]

i sleep now, gn

[dense locust]

I’m broke rn

[lone mango]

That makes itx look like comparing itx to atx builds, thats crazy

[dense locust]

Slime girl took my money

[sour falcon]

FOR A PHOTO IS INSANE DAWG

[safe cape]

nah not worth it

[sour falcon]

“I save” more like “Insane”

[lone mango]

fr

[safe cape]

1k $ max for a latptop

[upper rain]

@fresh timber can't remember if i sent this to you earlier already but i sleep now so gn

[sour falcon]

And I thought 350 for a 9NM wheelbase was crazy

[safe cape]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gpd-ryzen-max-395-strix-halo-handheld-prototype-offers-3x-faster-graphics-than-hx-370s @elfin mural dream handheld but $$$$$$$$$$

[elfin mural]

i don't have the ability to use a pc

[dense locust]

[elfin mural]

having disabilities sucks

[dense locust]

It’s a very detailed photo

[elfin mural]

[upper rain]

oh yeah? lets see the full version then

[lone mango]

Linkedin meta is dying

[sour falcon]

Lmfao

[elfin mural]

a laptop saves so much space and i don't have an actual desk

[dense locust]

[elfin mural]

my "desk" is a tiny foldable table

[sour falcon]

What’s the resolution

[lone mango]

Hahahahaha

[elfin mural]

damn

that's one hot handheld alright

literally

[misty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/skate-3-trickline-skate-3-tricklining-get-real-gif-11753879084760512254

[lone mango]

It probably clocks lower

[elfin mural]

cuz it's gonna spit out so much heat

[dense locust]

4.2k by 13k

[sour falcon]

I want the xbox ally x

[misty sparrow]

I still don't know why the past-tense form of "trade" is still blocked

[safe cape]

slow

[sour falcon]

Still not worth 900 imo but you do you

[dense locust]

It was $800

[sour falcon]

and what’s better atm?

[lone mango]

Who knows, maybe it could use those vapor chamber air coolers that popped off at computex

[safe cape]

nothing

[sour falcon]

THEN WHY DID YOU COMMENT 😭

[misty sparrow]

wait, so the one you have in your banner is the cropped version?

[sour falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/straight-to-jail-straight-to-jail-meme-linus-tech-tips-linus-ltt-gif-25530127

[safe cape]

but depends on the game

you play

[sour falcon]

That could be said for alot of handhelds though

I’d probably just play forza ngl

[dense locust]

Yes

[sour falcon]

I love forza 😭

[elfin mural]

https://youtu.be/VeDnOpgSPTw

hmmm

[misty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-angmerino-gif-26728878

[sour falcon]

Granted i’m total ass at FPS games on controlls

[dense locust]

How much is “cheap”

[misty sparrow]

I don't even wanna know what the full version looks like

[fresh timber]

I have 14

[safe cape]

cloud can do that i think

[dense locust]

It’s just a girl shaped slime woman

[frigid stag]

Wdym it’s 800

For a picture

[sour falcon]

You literally just told us all you spent $800 on a photo dawg why don’t you save more

[elfin mural]

1.9 grand

[frigid stag]

Is it physical at least

[elfin mural]

but it's gonna get cheaper over time

im not buying yet

but im saving for it

gonna be a big upgrade from 4050

i hate the move to 16:10 1440p display, aka 1600p

so ill just use dlss everywhere to downscale it to around 1080p

[dense locust]

[misty sparrow]

if i bought something like that for $800 i would frame it on my wall

[elfin mural]

i can barely believe the prices some furry artists charge

[sour falcon]

If i paid 800 for something i’d hope it’s hand painted

[elfin mural]

5 grand for digital art

[sour falcon]

My car was just over 800

[sour falcon]

Furries make bank

[elfin mural]

suspiciously rich furry memes

[lone mango]

[dense locust]

I don’t commission digital art

This is a one time exception

[pliant berry]

that some nice art

[dense locust]

Rest of the art I own is traditional

[sour falcon]

Do i wanna know

[elfin mural]

that is cool

[dense locust]

I have quite a few from this artist

[lone mango]

[sour falcon]

How much was that 😭

[dense locust]

They died last year tho I can no longer get new art from them

[elfin mural]

oof

[dense locust]

$90

[deep parcel]

welcome back PSP

[pliant berry]

not bad

[sour falcon]

Not bad at all

[misty sparrow]

okay so

[icy ore]

[sour falcon]

Blackberry on crack

[misty sparrow]

was the slime girl art from the same artist

[dense locust]

The most expensive traditional art I own is from the artist of inabakumori’s videos

[dense locust]

None of you probably know who that is

[atomic current]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[sour falcon]

HUH

[lone mango]

Real fun game

[sour falcon]

YOOOOO

I LOVE LAGTRAIN

NO WAY

[lone mango]

Also looks nice too

[sour falcon]

We’re a bunch of weebs dawg

Well some of us

And i LOVE J-pop

[dense locust]

Just market but it cool

[sour falcon]

@dense locust

[dense locust]

Some random pencil drawing

[sour falcon]

These are cool asf

[dense locust]

Ok that’s all I’ll post because I can do this all day and I’m too lazy to go to another channel

[sour falcon]

It’s a click? 😭

[sour falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-the-snooze-living-tombstone-the-living-tombstone-tlt-music-video-gif-25117635

[lone mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163915308260659293/1326556707073298432/VID_20250106_145855_848.gif

[tall pine]

Does it actually need 8 cores or wants?

Just got back.

[lone mango]

I need to make this an emoji

[tall pine]

By the way, the CO to get 5.8Ghz ST is also surviving very high RAM+CPU loads.

I love bCLK, I should have done this ages ago.

[dusk knot]

Oo. Drawings

[safe cape]

waiting for benchmarks

[tall pine]

https://tenor.com/view/logokas-computer-overclock-gif-18706772

[safe cape]

but new games demand 8 cores

[sour falcon]

Idk why but up until recently i never realized inabakumori is vocaloid

[tall pine]

Currently doing 5.7Ghz All Core on CCD0 running Anta777Extreme

[tall pine]

Welp I guess I will cross that road when it comes to it. Right now I only play Minecraft and Marvel Rivals.

[lone mango]

There was a baby roach on my monitor last night

[fresh timber]

Mikuuuu

[tall pine]

Protein!

Alright fellahs. I am going to try disabling my two weakest cores to see if I can get 5.9Ghz stable on CCD0.

Wish me luck!

[fresh timber]

Hi cutie

[tall pine]

What's sad is my GPU is bottlenecking my CPU so much lmao.

[dusk knot]

3070... hm

[tall pine]

Core 6 can do 5.8Ghz at -60 co.

And about 3-4 others I forget which ones are doing 5.8 with -50.

Weakest core is now at -35 from -30 so CCD0 is now at 5.85Ghz idle.

[tall pine]

Sad indeed.

The increase in heat is quite obnoxious.

Going from 5.55Ghz to +5.8Ghz is causing my temps to rise by about 10c with the same ambient.

[dusk knot]

Are 5080s still hard to get?

[tall pine]

$1300-1500 new. I see a 5080 Refurb show up about once every couple of weeks. My plan is to work my butt off to save up $1,050 for a 5080 Refurb.

[dusk knot]

Nice

It would help a lot in marvels rivals

[tranquil pebble]

played through CoD 4 again today... did the whole campaign in one session

[lone mango]

Refurb for msrp

[tall pine]

I wonder if my specific 9950x3D would still be bottlenecked by a 4090 in QHD.

[misty sparrow]

COD4 aged very well

going back to old call of duty is basically like a refresher after all the new stuff

[tranquil pebble]

it was one of the first Xbox 360 games I played

[misty sparrow]

I enjoyed getting every achievement in that game

partly because I didn't need to get multiplayer achievements

[tranquil pebble]

I think this download is going to take a bit

[tranquil pebble]

2030 going to be like: broken GPU for MSRP

[misty sparrow]

i'm still confused by 9070xt msrp

they probably knew it would go up

[elfin mural]

ha

[lone mango]

The demand for it is nuts

[tranquil pebble]

My only complaint was that it was rather short.

Considering it is not even hard to play the whole campaign in a single session

[misty sparrow]

doesn't sound like a bad thingh

[tall pine]

I might be able to do 5.9Ghz by just removing one core.

[misty sparrow]

would rather have short games than long games

[lone mango]

These security labs I am doing are so brutal

[tall pine]

Are games/apps finicky with odd numbered core layouts?

[misty sparrow]

I could beat HL2 in one sitting because it's short but probably one of the best games out there

[lone mango]

There was one where I did a sql injection and got everyone's bank account number in the simulation

[tranquil pebble]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gpd-ryzen-max-395-strix-halo-handheld-prototype-offers-3x-faster-graphics-than-hx-370s
16 core handheld

[elfin mural]

hackerman

[tranquil pebble]

inb4 it catches fire lol

[elfin mural]

10k gpu score

..that's what my 4050 gets

[lone mango]

There was another where I did some arp poisoning and redirected someone to another website to get their info, and one where I got into someone's account by taking their cookie for the website

[tranquil pebble]

probably thermal limited because handheld lol

[elfin mural]

still tho

[lone mango]

The one I am doing now is capturing packets with wireshark to see someone's ssn they sent in an email

This is so brutal

[elfin mural]

my 4050 getting beaten by an igpu

already obsolete

[tranquil pebble]

no I mean the iGPU is probably thermal limited

[elfin mural]

ye

cuz it goes even faster

[tranquil pebble]

considering it being in a handheld

[lone mango]

What he tryna say is his gpu is the same as a thermally limited apu

[elfin mural]

ye

[tranquil pebble]

yeah i get it now

[elfin mural]

and it just makes me feel like my laptop is already obsolete

[tranquil pebble]

50 class Nvidia is kinda potato. Always has been.

[elfin mural]

real

[frigid stag]

Should I wait for the 5070 ti super to upgrade

5080 looks appealing

[elfin mural]

tis not worth it imo

[lone mango]

5080 super has slightly faster memory

Forgot to say that

[frigid stag]

That 24gb looks nice

On the ti super

[elfin mural]

24gb 70 class?

wow

[frigid stag]

Ye

[lone mango]

So the 5070 super as a 4% core increase and the 5080 super has slightly faster memory

[elfin mural]

i bet it's gonna cost 900

[frigid stag]

If they release a 5080 ti I’m first in line

[lone mango]

Doubt it. they need the gap between the 5080 and 90 to stay wide

[frigid stag]

There’s definitely a price gap between them for something

[lone mango]

Is he saying there is a gap right here: 3080 ti

[frigid stag]

Yea

[tall pine]

Sadge, core 0 is my weakest core.

By a long shot

Runs about 100mhz slower than the rest.

This is frustrating.

I can't disable the cores on each CCD separately.

[fresh timber]

No

How do you figure out your best core on Intel

[tall pine]

Same as AMD.

Run stress tests and see which cores consistently yield the worst effective clocks.

Now you can be a lot more thorough by limiting variables such as temps, voltage, and such.

[fresh timber]

Mhh

I wanna overclock with my new thermal headroom

I wanna get the best efficiency

Maybe 5.4ghz

[hoary zodiac]

you know what else is nuts

[fresh timber]

Boomer

Did you see my upgrades

[lone mango]

Wait

[idle nexus]

(1) set specific vCore & LLC; (2) set specific multiplier, e.g. 54x; (3) run single thread stress test &/or benchmark with affinity set to specific core & thread, e.g., Core 0, Thread 0; (4) repeat (3) on next thread. e.g., Core 0 Thread 1; (5) repeat on next Core & Thread, e.g., Core 1 Thread 0; (6) as you test, note if one or more Threads on a Core do not pass, & if so, exclude that entire Core in subsequent testing; (7) keep vCore & LLC the same & increase the multiplier by 1, e.g., 55x; (8) Repeat process, excluding any Core(s) that did not pass previously (Note: if you are unable to POST, set Core 0's multiplier low, e.g., 45x cuz Windows needs a working Core & defaults to 0 iirc); (9) when you reach a point where no Cores pass--hopefully you've narrowed it down to 2-3 cores already by now--reduce the multiplier by 1 & raise base clock (BCLK) from 100.00 to 100.50 & test again; (10) continue to raise BCLK by .5 until you've found the king of the cores--or Queen, whatever; & (11) use this information to make your CPU OC based on cores in use. Profit

[lone mango]

If the 5070 has more vram and a core count increase

It might be $650

[idle nexus]

The goal is to determine which core will run fastest with the least amount of vCore

[lone mango]

Thank you ryzen master for doing all of that for me

Oh actually I chose all core

[idle nexus]

lol this is for Intel

[lone mango]

I should have it set an offset for each core

[idle nexus]

Ryzen you can find a core offset magnitude that works for all, by CCD, or by individual core

individual core is kinda torture cuz some cores might do negative 8 while others will do negative 30

[lone mango]

I got -50 all core

[idle nexus]

did you set +200mhz boost with that??

[lone mango]

Yeah and it does 200 too

then i wonder if i set it to do one for each core, if some will go to -60

[idle nexus]

that's pretty heckin good then

[lone mango]

Yeah I was very surprised

[idle nexus]

did you change EDC, TDC, TDP?

[lone mango]

I was expecting like -20 or 15

[idle nexus]

my Core 0 only does -8 lol

[lone mango]

Nah what I did was let ryzen master do its thing and do something else while it finds the right offset

[idle nexus]

some people have to do +[x]

damn I didn't know it did that

I almost wanna just let it fi gure it out tbh

this, change by +2 or -2 & re-run stress test crap is pretty miserable

[lone mango]

Its basically its own version of core cycler

[idle nexus]

I've been using whatever that latest thing is on ycruncher fft v2 something

[lone mango]

loads each core on its own at varying amounts of load and moves on to the next one

[idle nexus]

I dunno it's test 16 lol

[lone mango]

Plus waiting for it to retrain memory after each bios change

Yeah I did not want to deal with that

[idle nexus]

ya

& I disable Memory Context Restore

[lone mango]

Took like 25 min for it to find everything

[idle nexus]

cuz otherwise I can't disable powerdown without it hecking BSODing

FFTv45

I figured that Ryzen Master thing would be like when GPUs run tests to check OC

I've run many of those in the last four years or so

& zero were reliable lol

[lone mango]

Lol

Yeah the ryzen master test is legit

[idle nexus]

damn... kinda feel like I'm wasting time rn lol

I'm kinda close I think

[proud jackal]

[idle nexus]

I'll use it to validate my findings later ig

[lone mango]

I mean it probably leaves some headroom but it does find a good value for the cpu

I never went beyond what it set so idk

Maybe I can try that now or tomorrow

[frigid stag]

Is memory context restore to skip memory training

[lone mango]

[lone mango]

It doesnt skip it but it basically finds the best resistances and whatnot based on previous settings

[idle nexus]

not entirely skip it I think but uh, maybe uses some info from what it did last time to make it quicker?

[lone mango]

So it cuts the time short by a lot

[frigid stag]

Ah

How come ddr4 or 3 doesn’t do any of that

[idle nexus]

I still don't know why enabling that with powerdown disabled doesn't work right

[frigid stag]

Like boot times are instant on those

[idle nexus]

voltages have to be really exact for signal integrity compared to older DDR

[frigid stag]

Ye I think I’ll stick with ddr4 then

[misty sparrow]

aren’t they gonna stop making ddr4 soon

[idle nexus]

I miss DDR4 tbh...

[tall pine]

@idle nexus I got CCD0 to do 5.8Ghz!

[lone mango]

Rather than going through each possible value, it looks at what was set last time and kinda goes a little around it to see what the best setting is. The variances for signal integrity vary each boot just a little bit, so it has to change it a little bit. If you can just look at the previous settings and go up or down a little bit, thats how you train faster

[idle nexus]

like oh not working? here have another .2v & DO IT

[idle nexus]

lol looking like I might have doing 5.28ish

[tall pine]

You have a 7900x3D or?

[idle nexus]

9xxx > 7xxx

yes

[lone mango]

Apparently it was also a thing with 4 as well but because the speeds were much lower, there was more leeway when it comes to this stuff and it was never really a thing that comes up

[tall pine]

I am currently testing a 14 core config to see if I can do 5.9Ghz on CCD0 for my daily.

[lone mango]

But because the speeds are higher, you need everything to be exact

[frigid stag]

I mean I’ve seen people run 4600mts and high speeds like that

And it boots fine if it’s stable enough

[idle nexus]

now I know what you're thinking, "why would you buy a 7600X3D+7600X when you'll barely use the 7600X anyway?" but I got a good deal on it don't worry lol

[frigid stag]

What’s the difference between ddr4 vs 5 on intel vs am5

In boot times

[tall pine]

?

[idle nexus]

Intel is really quick generally

[tall pine]

I am confused by this.

[frigid stag]

Is there still a delay from memory training

Or is it exactly the same as ddr4

[idle nexus]

cuz 7900X3D is 6-Core CCDs

[tall pine]

Oh.

[idle nexus]

& only one has X3D

[tall pine]

Now I understand.

[idle nexus]

& only the X3D one does gaming stuffs

[lone mango]

Does your computer memory train when waking up from sleep

[idle nexus]

so ya you get it lol

[lone mango]

Because mine does

[idle nexus]

I disabled sleep & hibernate

[frigid stag]

I’ve never tried lga1700 so I have no idea how long they take on d4 or 5

[idle nexus]

if I'm not using it, I turn it off

[tall pine]

Honestly if I can do 6Ghz on CCD0 I'd consider disabling 2 cores on each CCD to do so.

[frigid stag]

I remember ddr5 having some bugs at the start

[lone mango]

Probably

[idle nexus]

disable SMT might help?

[dense locust]

Ddr5 sucks on amd

[tall pine]

Is that the thing for 2 threads per core?

[idle nexus]

yes

Hyperthreading but AMD named it

[tall pine]

Wouldn't that result in performance loss?

[lone mango]

Does your computer train memory for a couple seconds when waking up from sleep

[misty sparrow]

I wonder if ddr5 will get cheaper

[idle nexus]

it depends

in all-core workloads, yes considerably

[misty sparrow]

32gig a bit pricey

[idle nexus]

in gaming, maybe, maybe not

depends on how many threads a game actually utilizes

[lone mango]

You can get 32 6000 for like 80-90

[tall pine]

I still want to use my PC for Blender and such

[dense locust]

Hmmm never paid attention

[tall pine]

So that's probably a bad idea for me.

[misty sparrow]

That’s still kind of pricey

[tall pine]

But hmm. That may be a good way for me to do some HWbot frequency subs.

[lone mango]

Considering how much value the dollar lost over 5 years, its not that bad ngl

[dense locust]

I paid $175 for my kit

[misty sparrow]

going from 16 to 32 will probably be a minor performance boost anyway so I’m gonna wait until it gets cheaper

[idle nexus]

ya 2x16gb DDR5 with Hynix A-die is cheaper than 2x16gb DDR4 with Samsung bdie by a lot lol

[dense locust]

Samsung needs to step up its ram game

[tall pine]

Found the prick of a core that kept freezing my os.

It was damned core 1.

Had to drop the CO a little.

[idle nexus]

oh ya then you'd probably benefit from the additional threads. I wonder how big of a hit just disabling SMT on the non-3d-vcache CCD would impact performance in blender. Probably pretty considerable still since that's 8 less threads

[dense locust]

With a 9950x3d and a 3070 I assume you don’t do much gaming on that build

[lone mango]

Nah I think he is getting one part at a time

[tall pine]

I work about 8-10 hours a day and game for about 2.

But I do want to upgrade my GPU.

[idle nexus]

oh ya then definitely keep SMT enabled lol

[lone mango]

24 thread 9950

[dense locust]

I have a 9800x3d and 5080
I can do a bit of both

[idle nexus]

unless you wanna make two separate BIOS profiles & load one for work & one for gaming but that seems like a lot of work for probably not worth it lol

[tall pine]

I am honestly considering it if I can get the frequency high enough.

[misty sparrow]

slime girls in 8K

[lone mango]

smt is like a 40% increase over having it off, you wouldnt lose too much perf if you just cut one ccd

[tall pine]

Yeah I don't think that's worth it since it'd drive me even more insane if a timing goes wrong cause then I gotta check both lmao.

[idle nexus]

ya that doesn't seem worth the headache at all lol

[tall pine]

Can you explain further? 40% increase in performance or?

[lone mango]

Yeah compared to having it off, having it on is like 40% faster typically

I guess you would lose like 25% perf if you turn it off for one ccd

[tall pine]

Lemme check if I can control it per CCD.

[lone mango]

[tall pine]

@lone mango it's either on or off.

Can't choose between CCDs.

[lone mango]

I cant find anything about marvel rivals with smt off

[tall pine]

Any ideas on how I can stabilize higher frequencies without disabling a bunch or cores or disabling SMT?

[lone mango]

I guess you may have to increase voltage then

But wait, arent you using the gpu for blender

[tall pine]

Anyway to do that with PBO?

[tall pine]

Yes

Blender and the Adobe Suite.

[lone mango]

Then you should be fine with smt off

[lone mango]

Lower the negative offset

[tall pine]

That lowers the voltage for frequency. I need to be able to raise the Voltage ceiling.

Wait a moment.

[elfin mural]

i wonder if the msi laptop i plan to buy in the future has that secret unlocked bios mode like orange shroom found

i might dabble into ram tuning

or pbo tuning

wait no, not pbo

it's intel lol

[tall pine]

Curve Shaper. Does that adjust the V/F Curve ceiling?

For example say -50 does not work for 5.9Ghz but with CS I can say at Max Frequency use -35 instead.

[lone mango]

Wording with it is tricky lmaoo

What I meant in lower was lower from say, -35 to -30

[tall pine]

My question is can I use extremely low CO values to trick the VF curve

Then use CS to adjust the actual values at Max clock

[elfin mural]

i need to see some comparison between laptop 5070ti and desktop 5070

it's probably like what would happen if the 5070 desktop gets limited to 140w

[tall pine]

@idle nexus, @lone mango thoughts?

[lone mango]

Not sure

I never used curve shaper yet

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/danzaburou-smite-smite-2-triston-skillet-gif-10972796042553626649

[lone mango]

fr

[tall pine]

Ah gotcha

[velvet summit]

Who up listening to some skillet

[tall pine]

I feel like a John Wick with my determination to get 5.8Ghz fully stable lmao.

[tall pine]

Been a while since I heard that name.

Are they still producing music?

[velvet summit]

Idk
I just listen to the classics lmao

[tall pine]

Listen to Swing 😏

https://tenor.com/view/nilsbianca-lindy-hop-swing-bianca-nils-swing-dance-gif-26306914

[velvet summit]

caravan palace

[tall pine]

I am back. Trying a 6 core CCD0 config.

It seems I am limited to 5.83Ghz for most of my cores max frequency.

[velvet summit]

🧐 the best value for the least amount of money seems to be around 2 hundo

or 26 units

or rather, 26 pairs

[lone mango]

I am typically not the one that has storage issues

I have to shrink my linux partition to free up space here

would be nice to have more real cores

[main loom]

Ryzen 7 9800x3d
RTX 5080 ZOTAC SOLD OC
Asus tuf x870 wifi
Ram 32gb 6000
Ssd 1tb 990 pro evo
tryx panorama white
Asus rog 1000w
Case whatever shit one

for 2745$

whats the catch ?

thats a local store provides this i tried to even do 5070 ti but each time i end up in a much higher price

[random osprey]

that tryx alone is $350 🗿

assuming youre talking usd

5080, really any 50 series rn are expensive

[lone mango]

They were probably able to source the card before it got really expensive and/or maybe it was on the shelf for a while

[random osprey]

the zotac gpu on wegg is $1900

white pc prices go brrrt

[main loom]

should i take the chance and get it or get 5070 ti msi gaming trio better look

they be selling 5070 ti for a lower 250$

[lone mango]

I dont think you are taking any risk by getting it

[main loom]

doesnt 5070 ti the same as 5080 with oc ?

[lone mango]

You can oc the 5080 with no cost and have it close the gap to the 4090

[main loom]

i just called the store and they said the price went higher now

lmao

anyways what u think about 5070 ti msi gaming trio

compared to 5080

i still think that nvidia made 5070 ti same as 5080 so they can sell their new super versions

[lone mango]

Seems to be a good card

I think its their ventus ones that are loud as hell

Since the price went up, I guess get the ti

[random osprey]

🗿

[velvet summit]

Gaming trio is good

Ventus mech armor are terrible

[obsidian quest]

Is this used PC good for $1100 CAD

i5 14400f 10 cores 16 threads
RTX 4060 TI
32gb corsair rgb ram
1tb nvme ssd
liquid cooling
motherboard z790 wifi

[atomic current]

what if we gaming quadrupo'd

[remote geode]

you're never safe online

idc about your app

sorry

i don't think this is the right place to advertise it too

[tranquil pebble]

@random osprey Spam bot

[tranquil pebble]

Its a bot, sent that in many channels

[main loom]

deep fake voices ?

guys should i go for 4080 super pny right now ?

untill maybe prices drop and stuff

[tranquil pebble]

Bocchi as a vocaloid

[upper rain]

price?

[opaque sedge]

I’m having a panic attack seeing this…

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/s/CJNnTJrOFM

[elfin mural]

ouch

[main loom]

CORE 19 14900K
MSI MAG CORELIQUID 1360
ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFI
64GB 6000MHZ T-FORCE DELTA
PNY RTX 4080 SUPER VERTO OC 16GB
M.2 NVME 2T SAMSUNG 990 PRO
N/A
SEASONIC 1000W GOLD PCIE5
NZXT H7 ELITE

idk i saw this offer for 2400$

while i can go for r7 9800x3d
MSI MAG CORELIQUID 1360
msi carbon x870
32 g skills tidentz
gtx 5070 ti msi gaming trio
1tb samsung 990 pro evo
seasonic 1000w
nzxt h7 elite
for maybe 2800$-2700$

[hoary zodiac]

mfw #general-chat

[opaque sedge]

A 5070ti build for 2800 bucks is ridiculously overpriced

Besides all the peripherals such as that fancy aio cooler will provide little to no extra performance

And over 2 thousand bucks and still only a 1tb ssd 😭 💀

[tranquil pebble]

Yikes presence at unsafe levels. Lockdown in effect.

[hoary zodiac]

Most #general-chat looking pc

mfw spending 2x the money gets me only 1.3x the performance

[main loom]

my motherboard is expensive

i just liked how many usb c and outputs it have and look

its the same price as the cpu

[main loom]

but a store provides this build for like 2400$

i dont know what u think guys this or my build

[hoary zodiac]

They're both obscenely overpriced

[main loom]

can i ask for u something

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Psn4p

Just messed around and still ended up a lot cheaper

With an unoptimized list

[main loom]

psu should i care about it and get asus gold aura 1000 watts gold for 260$ or just get SEASONIC 1000W GOLD PCIE5 for 175$

[hoary zodiac]

Uh

Neither

[main loom]

i like the asus gold aura one because how it looks even its not going to be visible and i like the straps they provide for cables

[main loom]

seasonic is bad ?

[acoustic palm]

Why are we spending that much on a 5080

[hoary zodiac]

See

This is a me not caring list

To demonstrate how even a crappy overpriced list is less obscenely overpriced

[acoustic palm]

Spend less than half and get a 9070xt, then oc and uv it to get pretty damn close to your build

💀

[main loom]

what makes it expensive is my motherboard

at 500$

[main loom]

i dont like amd cards

[acoustic palm]

And why is that

[main loom]

@hoary zodiac and that list had 7800x3d not 9800

[acoustic palm]

Also for 850w the century II is unreviewed, I’d get their 1050w or the vetroo 850

[main loom]

localy all the cards are even without rgb

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCyq2x

[main loom]

im looking to build one with good looking

[acoustic palm]

What?

[hoary zodiac]

Is it?

[acoustic palm]

Mhm

It’s only speculative review

[main loom]

9070 cards that i have on local are tuff and some weird versions

that dont look good

[acoustic palm]

You’re getting off them off the internet… local doesn’t matter

Huh

[hoary zodiac]

What source are you using?

[main loom]

it will take long

[acoustic palm]

Spl

[main loom]

based on my country

[acoustic palm]

Where do you live

[main loom]

saudi arabia

maybe a week and half

[acoustic palm]

Why are you wasting boomers time bro 😭

You need to say this before you ask for a list

[hoary zodiac]

ZTT puts it at A tier

[acoustic palm]

The 850w?

[hoary zodiac]

Oh wait

[elfin mural]

that'll lessen selection

[hoary zodiac]

It's the same list

Nvm

I'm stupid

[elfin mural]

for some reason newegg is popular overseas

[hoary zodiac]

Where does it say it's spec?

[acoustic palm]

792

[acoustic palm]

Pricing wise

[hoary zodiac]

"792?"

As in the row?

[main loom]

@hoary zodiac
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VWDkKq

[acoustic palm]

Row number

[main loom]

its actually the same price as local

with this

[acoustic palm]

No

[hoary zodiac]

That is obscene

[main loom]

whats no

[acoustic palm]

Complete waste of money

[main loom]

and why that

MSI MPG X870E CARBON WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard is probably one of the best right now i know its expensive

but the way it looks and what it offers and outputs

is great

[hoary zodiac]

Doesn't say the psu is unreviewed?

[acoustic palm]

1 it doesn’t do anything for you

2 everything in the list is overpriced basically

[hoary zodiac]

That's what they said about the Yamato

Bigger ship doesn't win you the war

[acoustic palm]

The 850w one is

Also Vetroo is A and the same price

[main loom]

but atleast the ships looks scary

[hoary zodiac]

Oh

Ohh

That's such a minor detail

Good on you for catching that

[acoustic palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gjyq2x

[main loom]

idk guys im lost

[hoary zodiac]

It's all looks

No bite

[hoary zodiac]

Essentially a lot of the money is going towards cheap plastic

[acoustic palm]

Wait

There’s an sa pcpp

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-tongue-gif-18357263336141773644

[hoary zodiac]

Alright

Lenme make a list

[main loom]

u guys forgetting that r7 9800x3d is at 500$ price tag

its not 7800x3d

[acoustic palm]

https://sa.pcpartpicker.com/list/mQqBpK

@main loom

[hoary zodiac]

https://sa.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ck6q2x

[acoustic palm]

This + some fans

[main loom]

thats going to be good but will look like shit

[hoary zodiac]

Oops

Wrong cpu

Hold up

[acoustic palm]

What do you want it to look like then

[hoary zodiac]

https://sa.pcpartpicker.com/list/bHBhNz

[acoustic palm]

Black fish tank + rgb?

[acoustic palm]

240mm?

[hoary zodiac]

Cheapest cooler no?

[hoary zodiac]

What????

[main loom]

i`ll add more 1000$ and get msi motherboard and 5070 ti

[acoustic palm]

Same price as a really good 360mm one

[acoustic palm]

No

Why do you want to throw away money

😭

[main loom]

cause i dont want the pc to look shit

best x870 mb i saw rn is msi

and at 500$ price tag

or asus x870-e

[acoustic palm]

You’re not benefiting from a good mobo

[hoary zodiac]

spends $500 on plastic

[acoustic palm]

Unless you’re a hardcore overclocker (which you’re not cause you’re not choosing 9070xt)

[main loom]

its a good mb

overall

wdym

[hoary zodiac]

What

[acoustic palm]

It is, just doesn’t help you

You’re only running a 9800x3d… better motherboard won’t do anything for you

[hoary zodiac]

You're spending a disproportionate amount of money for very little amount of features gained

[acoustic palm]

Unless you like need pcie 5 m.2 but you’ve said none of that

[hoary zodiac]

Whether that be aesthetic features or actually useful features

[idle crow]

Anyone know how do I return an item for no reason?

[acoustic palm]

@main loom what exactly doesn’t look good about the build I sent?

[hoary zodiac]

Either way it's a stupid amount of money spent even if aesthetics is the only argument

[main loom]

ram mb graphic card

cooler

[acoustic palm]

Ram?

[acoustic palm]

What’s wrong with the cooler what

[main loom]

yeah looks like shit and tfroce brand

[hoary zodiac]

[main loom]

that cooler is also looks bad it should`ve been with 2010 pc

[acoustic palm]

Huh

[main loom]

Asus Prime LC 360 ARGB 757 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

[acoustic palm]

You want rgb then?

[hoary zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-well-then-oh-i-see-alright-then-okay-then-gif-15135389772531045536

[main loom]

guys maybe im throwing money and being stupid

but i prefer being like that for now

[hoary zodiac]

There is a way to have a flashy looking pc

Without throwing money at it

[main loom]

my issue is

im into the big brands more

[acoustic palm]

^

[hoary zodiac]

[acoustic palm]

@main loom I’m guessing you want like… an air cooler then?

[hoary zodiac]

This emoji exists for a reason

[main loom]

Ryzen 7 9800x3d
Asus max x870 wifi
Ram 32gb 6000
Ssd 1tb 990 pro
Rtx 5080 zotac
Lian li ga lcd 360
Asus rog 1000w
Case manmu
2740$

[acoustic palm]

IMO that AIO is one of the best looking ones so idk what you’re saying

[acoustic palm]

You’re in SA right?

[main loom]

yes

[hoary zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/jeanne-d'arc-condamnation-jeanne-d'arc-bucher-gif-6304014782310038558

[acoustic palm]

Ok then look at SA prices not USA prices

[main loom]

i change it to dollar price

bro

so you can know

[acoustic palm]

Say it in your own currency

I’m not illiterate

[hoary zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/zdf-heuteshow-heute-show-oli-welke-olli-welke-gif-6449196005905369416

[main loom]

so you want me to waste your time

[acoustic palm]

No

What

I have the pcpp with your pricing and your currency up

It’s easier for both of us if you say it in SR

[hoary zodiac]

I think you're wasting his time actually

[main loom]

oh

mb

i thought that you are going to calculate it

anyways

its 10000 sar

[acoustic palm]

The one you sent is 10000 sar…?

[main loom]

and that build is localy available

[main loom]

yes

[hoary zodiac]

Por que?

[acoustic palm]

Huh

[hoary zodiac]

Market shenanigans going on here

[acoustic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[hoary zodiac]

I think this just tells us one thing really

The market is even worse than the United "$3000 5090" States market

[main loom]

guys you are lucky to have that

its 4000$ for me

[hoary zodiac]

The msrp is overpriced

That card is not worth a cent over $1599

[main loom]

we have dahab edition for like 6000$

[acoustic palm]

@main loom how is that build only 10k im so confused

[hoary zodiac]

What's that

4 computers

[acoustic palm]

The gold 5090

[hoary zodiac]

🥱

[main loom]

the card is like 6000 sar

[hoary zodiac]

Imagine spending $6000 for a gpu

[acoustic palm]

7000-8000 but ok

[hoary zodiac]

If anyone does that I'd actually just tell them to get a life

[acoustic palm]

Also keep in mind at 6000 it’s not even worth it still

[main loom]

each 1000 sarr is like 530$

[hoary zodiac]

I think we're really not focusing on the key issue here

[acoustic palm]

No

[main loom]

no wait

i meant 2000

[hoary zodiac]

And that is that the gpu is overpriced on top of the overpriced msrp

$1599 or bust

[acoustic palm]

Man if only my parents let me use my covid relief money to buy a new pc instead of investing it fr fr

[hoary zodiac]

Value drops to $1000 in a couple years

Imagine buying a $3000 gpu and then it becoming worthless

[acoustic palm]

I wonder how low my pc value will go

[hoary zodiac]

Here's the thing

[main loom]

wait why 4080 super is listed at 1900$

[hoary zodiac]

If you built by perf/$

[main loom]

on pc part picker

[acoustic palm]

I bet I can overprice it cause of “looks”

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

[hoary zodiac]

The value doesn't depreciate as much

As a matter of fact you can overprice it

If the market becomes funny again

[acoustic palm]

How much do you think I can sell my pc for lmao

[acoustic palm]

Pcpp only shows new

[hoary zodiac]

Uh

Specs?

[main loom]

yeah even the build i show its new and u guys said its overpriced

[acoustic palm]

Huh

[hoary zodiac]

Do you want the real worth and the "boeing troll gullible online" worth

I'll value your pc

[tranquil pebble]

Newegg should do a loyalty thing and call the points eggs

[acoustic palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWZ7db

[hoary zodiac]

Newegg should give me a basket of eggs to throw at people who use NZXT and corsair vengeance

[main loom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rDZzwY

check this

[acoustic palm]

First of all

No

[tranquil pebble]

my first gaming build had NZXT case + NZXT PSU

[tranquil pebble]

tbf this was in like 2008 or so though

[acoustic palm]

Ewwwwww holy shit

[main loom]

this is listed at 3000$ at pc part picker and i can have it for 2400$

[hoary zodiac]

Wtf

The real worth is

[acoustic palm]

wtf is that abomination

[hoary zodiac]

In current market conditions

[acoustic palm]

Still not even worth it

[hoary zodiac]

$1500-1800 I'd say?

[main loom]

wdymm by not worth it bro

u want me to get 4080 super with 1500$ ?

[acoustic palm]

You don’t understand how pcpp works do you

[hoary zodiac]

Which is great because the "Boeing troll gullible fortnite kids online" price is $2500

[acoustic palm]

Huh?

[hoary zodiac]

So you essentially could make 2x profit

[main loom]

..

[hoary zodiac]

That was with incomplete information

In completely different contexts

That is not applicable to the current moment in time

[acoustic palm]

@main loom basically if you’re trying to match the specs to a build you wanna buy, you don’t put in the specific parts. You put in the meta parts of the same specs

[hoary zodiac]

meta part?

Bro is getting meta partitioned

[acoustic palm]

Like lowest 10ns ram, Vetroo 850w, thermalright cooler, etc

[hoary zodiac]

Oh no that was a stupid victoria ii reference

[main loom]

CORE 19 14900K
MSI MAG CORELIQUID 1360
ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFI
64GB 6000MHZ T-FORCE DELTA
PNY RTX 4080 SUPER VERTO OC 16GB
M.2 NVME 2T SAMSUNG 990 PRO
N/A
SEASONIC 1000W GOLD PCIE5
NZXT H7 ELITE
u all guys still thinks this dont worth for 2400$?

[acoustic palm]

I have no idea what that is

[main loom]

i have put it bro

[acoustic palm]

It’s not

[hoary zodiac]

Nor should you

[acoustic palm]

No

[hoary zodiac]

$2400

Pfff

Yeah it's worth it if I'm the one selling it

[acoustic palm]

Keep in mind my build is as good at basically half the cost

[hoary zodiac]

Pay me $2400 I will build you this pc

[acoustic palm]

Tbf I did get really lucky

But you can get a better build for like 1.7-1.9k usd

[main loom]

so how much you guys think its worth ?

[hoary zodiac]

$1500 in performance

[acoustic palm]

I’d pay a max of… 1.7 for that

Maybe 1.5

[hoary zodiac]

It's cheap plastic

[main loom]

holy shit

[hoary zodiac]

It's like buying a razer keyboard

You're paying for plastic and proprietary software

[main loom]

razerr keyboards are good wdym

[hoary zodiac]

...

[main loom]

[acoustic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-tongue-gif-18357263336141773644

[tranquil pebble]

When you can spend $200 and get a cheap feeling keeb from them i dont think so

not to mention the software

[hoary zodiac]

That was a throwaway joke

I was not expecting that

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-gif-7048057395502071840

[main loom]

tbh guys

their huntsman mini is fine

same for new blackwidow

but i actually dont prefer their keyboards

just mouse

viper v3 pro is fine asf

[atomic current]

I have nzkt psu in this puter :3

[hoary zodiac]

See

Razer makes one good thing

[tranquil pebble]

the PP-800 was a decent PSU for late 00s though

[acoustic palm]

only razer keyboard thats even worth considering is the one with the weird pressure sensors

[hoary zodiac]

They makes decent to good mice

That's the only good thing they make

Their keyboards are cheap plastic

There is always something better for the same price/cheaper

[main loom]

im selling my new wooting for the same price i bought and buy attack shark 68 he for now

untill wooting v2 release

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah I'm gonna detonate a 68cm HE shell on myself