general-chat

[elfin mural]

it's legit a simple toggle too

[idle nexus]

I've been running Win11 Ghost Spectre for like 3 months now & it's kinda nice

[pliant berry]

its only a few games now that intentionally block linux support

[elfin mural]

but the dev has to enable it

[hoary zodiac]

yeah that's the annoying thing

most games do work

however to be fair

there are games that still don't work even without a stupid anti cheat

[idle nexus]

it comes with ghost toolbox which handles many tweak things

[hoary zodiac]

can you use a legit key with ghost spectre btw

asking for legitimate reasons

[idle nexus]

yes

[lone mango]

I dont want it on my computer anyway

[hoary zodiac]

oh nice

[lone mango]

Keep things the way they are, thanks

[hoary zodiac]

My situation is

the games that don't run are usually AAA slop so

[idle nexus]

looks nice but I dunno about $450 nice lol

[hoary zodiac]

literally my entire library runs on Linux

[lone mango]

Nah we need npcs on here though, npcs that play games with those anti cheats

[hoary zodiac]

at least my library that I actually touch

I think we need to do an newegg census

[pliant berry]

but for a steam deck

[hoary zodiac]

how many linux users do we have here

[lone mango]

3

[elfin mural]

we need npcs on linux if we want to have a better future

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

[elfin mural]

a windowsless future

[lone mango]

Bring the normies

[pliant berry]

I used to daily debian years ago

[hoary zodiac]

have you seen the amount of npcs going to linux recently

ever since windows 11 there's been a massive surge

[lone mango]

Those arent normies

[elfin mural]

still not enough

[idle nexus]

I got this from ghost toolbox which is kinda nice

[hoary zodiac]

you just don't notice it because going from 0.01% to 0.02% is not noticeable

[lone mango]

Because they know whats going on

[hoary zodiac]

microsoft has a massive market share

well there's people who watch mutahar's videos

and are like "oh mutahar said linux is cool so I use it now ja ja"

[lone mango]

When I mean normies I mean actual normies, not people that know about whats going on

[idle nexus]

5060 buyers

[hoary zodiac]

true

[lone mango]

Yes the 4060 users

[hybrid pagoda]

I love Windows 11 lol

[fresh timber]

chat, PEOple have the switch 2 r ight now and they cant even use it LMFAO

[hoary zodiac]

Linux will have to trickle down from the top tho

[idle nexus]

those who <3 prebuilts

[lone mango]

And the 5060 prebuilt buyers

[fresh timber]

LWAHHAHAHA

[lone mango]

THOSE normies

[fresh timber]

IMAGINE BUYING A SWITCH 2 RN AND U CANT EVEN USE IT

[lone mango]

We need those guys

[fresh timber]

LMFAOOOo

[nocturne flicker]

Linus just has to say Linux good use Linux and then the normies will go

[idle nexus]

lol my gf's brother bought an NZedXT prebuilt with a 3050 in it

[hoary zodiac]

Linus?

[idle nexus]

I was so mad

like how dare you not consult me

[hoary zodiac]

Torvalds or Mr. Tips

I forgot his last name

[nocturne flicker]

Tips

[hoary zodiac]

Sebastian

[lone mango]

Context clues

[idle nexus]

but ya those are the normies

[hoary zodiac]

I really shouldn't call Linus Mr. Tips

💀

[misty sparrow]

What’s the point of a handheld if it needs online 💀

[lone mango]

[nocturne flicker]

Mr Linus Tips

[idle nexus]

then I offered to put a 3060 or 3070 in it for them but they were like, "buT muH waRRaNty"

[nocturne flicker]

Mr Linus T Tips

[idle nexus]

I'm like I can't help you sorry

[pliant berry]

I wonder what will happen to microsoft. They still have huge market share but I see them slowly losing on both sides. Linux is continuing to become a relavant option for gaming, Apple and Google are replacing microsoft computers in the education sector. It's really just office that they still have firm grasp on tbh. but that is a huge portion of the market

[misty sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102940078505984/1331452427672752221/DOCnlIa.gif

[fresh timber]

fr

[hoary zodiac]

look at Germany

there are entire communities switching to linux

[lone mango]

Apparently ge proton 10-4 is real good

Ima download it

[hoary zodiac]

Linux is already taking over in tech literate communities

[idle nexus]

I need to learn how to use winget or whatever

the like fake windows version of linux install thing

[hybrid pagoda]

So you guys hate Windows 11 and that is fine
BUT
I really, really like the securtiy features

[hoary zodiac]

Just like how someone once said that developed countries are more likely to adopt co-

[pliant berry]

the windows package manager ye

[hoary zodiac]

see

[hybrid pagoda]

Is it as safe as it feels?

[misty sparrow]

Nintendo does a thing and nobody bats an eye

Somebody like Randy Pitchford does something and everybody clowns him

[hoary zodiac]

I hate Windows 11 because it's just Windows 10 but it runs worse

It is actually just an inferior product

It's windows 10 but monetised even more

[idle nexus]

lol I hate trying to download things on github

[fresh timber]

False

[idle nexus]

like why is it so hard

[fresh timber]

It runs better

[hybrid pagoda]

idk I have 32 gb DDR5

it runs fine for me

[hoary zodiac]

didn't you just post an image with 100% cpu usage

[lone mango]

24h2 has some zen optimizations or whatever but it is still unstable

[hybrid pagoda]

me?

[lone mango]

no

[fresh timber]

Windows 10 doesn’t have the right cpu scheduler for
My Intel pc

[hoary zodiac]

nah the other guy

[pliant berry]

some github projects in earlier stages don't exactly have easy installers or install guides

[fresh timber]

Zen CPUs are faster on windows 11, same for hybrid Intel CPUs

[nocturne flicker]

Sounds like an Intel skill issue

[misty sparrow]

PC’s probably running on fumes

[fresh timber]

Your AMD is slower on 10 technically

[nocturne flicker]

Technically

[hoary zodiac]

This is some userbenchmark level argument

[hybrid pagoda]

I use AMD and have no isssues

[fresh timber]

Amd got a few % performance boost

[nocturne flicker]

Technically I could use Windows 11. But I am not in love with wastes of space and money

[lone mango]

Its more than a few

[misty sparrow]

Just use Windows 7

[hybrid pagoda]

ew

[misty sparrow]

Go back to 7

[hoary zodiac]

Windows 7 was the last good version of windows

[idle nexus]

I hope like full blown SteamOS releases the day win10 support officially ends

[nocturne flicker]

I tried to run Windows 7 on my FX 8350

It had issues

[misty sparrow]

Vista too if it came out now would be peak

[hoary zodiac]

It didn't come bundled with a crap load of bloatware

[idle nexus]

I run win7 pretty often tbh

[fresh timber]

sounds like a valve thing to do

[misty sparrow]

Vista > Win 11

[idle nexus]

old benchmarks run way better

[fresh timber]

my windows 11 verson didnt come with bloat installed 👅

[idle nexus]

I use win8.1 Embedded Industry Pro too

[fresh timber]

what bloat

[lone mango]

I think about installing 11 to use it once a month but I would want to do a fresh install and not an upgrade. But I only have so much space on my drive

I would then have 4 operating systems

[pseudo raven]

armory crate is so ass

[hoary zodiac]

oh really

[upper wedge]

guys is it bad I use MacOS from 2012 💔

[lone mango]

So I guess i stick with 10

[hoary zodiac]

[fresh timber]

yeah i had to manually install all the bloat i forgot i use

[idle nexus]

the most ass-est of ass

[nocturne flicker]

Windows 11. Comes with free Chinese American Spyware

[hoary zodiac]

yeah sure

it doesn't ship with bloat

[lone mango]

No, good on you for not buying a new one when it is not needed

[fresh timber]

how not to have bloat on ur windows install

[lone mango]

Oh you said mac os

[hoary zodiac]

I installed LTSC a couple weeks back in a vm

[hybrid pagoda]

excuse me bot

[hoary zodiac]

first thing I see

copilot

[lone mango]

Yes that might be a problem

[fresh timber]

u got the wrong lstc

[upper wedge]

what is LTSC

[fresh timber]

you need lstc IoT

thats the one with out the sily

[idle nexus]

they have LTSC ghost spectre too lol

Long Term Service Channel

[lone mango]

iot can have less performance actually

[fresh timber]

so iv heard, i cant see a diffrence in my intel rig atleast so idc

[idle nexus]

lol isn't IoT like the ATM version?

[nocturne flicker]

Extra stable version of Windows, design for systems that can not risk issues or errors

[lone mango]

Doesnt have the optimizations for amd

Idk about intel I only saw amd comparisons

[hybrid pagoda]

So shortbus windows

[fresh timber]

so thats why my crashes and instability has dropped alot sense getting this verson

[upper wedge]

ngl I might install that tomorrow, hardwiping my pc atm

[fresh timber]

when i go home im redoing my main pc storage config,

[upper wedge]

I tried doing the debloat & just failed horribly 💔

[hybrid pagoda]

I actually had mad instability issues for a few months and it was driving me crazy trying to figure it out

[misty sparrow]

Why isn’t this the main version

[fresh timber]

my main rig will have two 1tb ssds,

[hybrid pagoda]

Oh dammit

[fresh timber]

i will um. idk ill prob install something

[lone mango]

Probably on the 24h2 build of w11

[hybrid pagoda]

It was fudging zero rpm mode

[wary fjord]

i think both of them are sad

[lone mango]

My keyboard is sad

[hoary zodiac]

I'm pretty sure even on the most debloated version of windows it'll still find some way to use a stupid amount of resources

[idle nexus]

there's 24H2 LTSC no?

[hoary zodiac]

Unless you start messing around on the registry

[lone mango]

Yeah

[nocturne flicker]

Because then people can shut off telemetry

[idle nexus]

I shut off telemetry

[fresh timber]

noooooooo

[lone mango]

Well you can alrady do that

[fresh timber]

yes

im on 24h2 lstc iot

[hybrid pagoda]

I think I actually checked that. I checked ltierally everything.
But was identical to power failure so I upgraded my PSU

[fresh timber]

the 5070 is doing well chat

thats not good

[idle nexus]

also you can shut off telemetry using the host file in system32 iirc

[hybrid pagoda]

And it happened again within like 2 hours

[misty sparrow]

“it says gullible on the ceiling”

[elfin mural]

nvidia is getting away with bad prices as usual

[lone mango]

And turn off the services

[lone mango]

Disable them*

[fresh timber]

people are buying slop

[lone mango]

Hope you returned the psu

lol

[elfin mural]

they buy anything green

green is the color of bank notes

[hoary zodiac]

Oh yeah that's right

[fresh timber]

the 9070xt isnt even on the hardware survay

[hoary zodiac]

I was on Tiny11

[misty sparrow]

weed

[hoary zodiac]

Not LTSC

Sigh

[fresh timber]

is the 9070xt even selling out

they sold so well yet.. nobody has it

[elfin mural]

not really

[pliant berry]

Ya know people make fun of this but there are also way too many people that keep upgrading their pcs and never actually use that potential they pay for. Could’ve had the same system for 5 years with the same experience

[fresh timber]

i bet 90% of people who bought those nvidia cards did not need it

[wary fjord]

my 5700 hits 5 years now

hehe

[elfin mural]

they think they need a 5070

[misty sparrow]

I wish they could last over five years

[wary fjord]

strong 5 years gang

[nocturne flicker]

Iirc LSTC can shut off practically all telemetry simply, more than you can in standard Windows without any actual effort

[fresh timber]

what they really neede was a 9070

[pliant berry]

Yup there ya go

[hybrid pagoda]

The PSU was fine but it had zero RPM mode as well which the old one didn't have
And the issue wouldbe less frquent but not go away if I turned off the PSU's zero rpm

[lone mango]

Correct

[fresh timber]

seems like ryzen apus are doing well tho

amd is ruiling the laptop space compared to INTEL

[idle nexus]

watch at like 15:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRb3WGCfjwI&t=1046s

[fresh timber]

@elfin mural its you

[pliant berry]

Some of my core components I think are like 6 or 7 years old lol

[hybrid pagoda]

Which is how I discovered adrenalin kept turnning tne GPU zero rpm back on

[hoary zodiac]

Ryzen is overrated

Core Ultra is coming

[hybrid pagoda]

booo

[hoary zodiac]

Have you seen core ultra mobile?

[misty sparrow]

You know what else is coming?

[nocturne flicker]

We already have Core Ultra

[fresh timber]

me

[elfin mural]

yep that's me

[hybrid pagoda]

yer mum hehehe

[nocturne flicker]

Not those nuts

[misty sparrow]

damn right

[hoary zodiac]

Have any of you actually seen the core ultra mobile cpus

[hybrid pagoda]

im sorry i bet your mom is wonderful

[misty sparrow]

That’s the best answer I’ve gotten to that question

[elfin mural]

core ultra 200v is great

im not shilling it

good battery life

decent igpu

[hoary zodiac]

They're pretty damn efficient mobile chips

And delivers pretty good performance

I'd take it over a ryzen

[nocturne flicker]

Aren't all the v skus 4+4?

[elfin mural]

no

[hybrid pagoda]

The storage only shows the largest single drive btw

why does it do that

its not even the system drive

[elfin mural]

wait it actually is 4+4

[lone mango]

[elfin mural]

and yet it performs

so i don't know

efficiency™

[lone mango]

I kinda miss old fortnite

[hoary zodiac]

I mean to be fair

It depends on the use case

If your application is single threaded then 4+4 shouldn't really be an issue

And realistically you're not using all those cores

You're trading some p cores for efficiency

[idle nexus]

alright time to see how well this SP 93 12900K does memory OC

[hoary zodiac]

8 cores on mobile is enough

[lone mango]

Depending on the app, its only 4 cores

[nocturne flicker]

Ah, I see, Lunar Lake is on 3nm

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

If you need to hammer the cpu

You'll need to plug it in anyways

[hybrid pagoda]

ow

[hoary zodiac]

If it's on battery

Then you're going to be constrained anyways

You get more battery life

Like you don't get peak performance 100% of the time

But laptops generally don't get plugged in 100% of the time

It's a fairly reasonable tradeoff for efficiency and battery life

On desktop that'd be a bigger issue

But on mobile it's fine tbh

[nocturne flicker]

3nm is supposed to be a lot more efficient and Lunar Lake is running half on TSMC 3nm and half on TSMC 7nm

[elfin mural]

hybrid cpu monent

[upper wedge]

play on direct 11 or performance mode

[hoary zodiac]

It's TSMC??

WTF

[nocturne flicker]

Yes

Purely TSMC

[hoary zodiac]

So it's not Intel 3nm??

[nocturne flicker]

Nope

[hoary zodiac]

Damn

[nocturne flicker]

Using TSMC N3B and N6

[hoary zodiac]

Is TSMC still technically larger

Like how Intel 14nm is around the same size as TSMC 7nm

[idle nexus]

heck 7000 isn't cooperating rn

that should be easy lol

[hoary zodiac]

Actually

Was intel 14nm smaller than TSMC 7nm?

Ok TSMC is slightly smaller

[hybrid pagoda]

But which one is thicker? 🤔

[nocturne flicker]

How do you compare them. Like what is being measured to compare

I don't honestly know

[hoary zodiac]

Oh there we go

My wifi router was screwed

Messages didn't load for 3 entire minutes

[hoary zodiac]

Gate width

https://www.techpowerup.com/272489/intel-14-nm-node-compared-to-tsmcs-7-nm-node-using-scanning-electron-microscope

See here's the thing

nm is more of a marketing term nowadays

Than an actual measurement

[worthy meteor]

It's just different ways of arranging gates and weird little things inside

The most useful measurement is like transistors per square mm

Anandtech had a pretty nice table comparing nodes with that metric

[hoary zodiac]

Wtf

My update disabled systemd-resolved

Thanks pacman

[worthy meteor]

You're welcome

[lone mango]

Still not the same

Completely different game back then

[lone mango]

Yeah it lost meaning long long ago

[fresh timber]

ima try the 9070xt on the 500w smart

👅

[wary fjord]

500w on 2025

i thought they are cheaper now

[pseudo raven]

we're going from 2nm

to 1.6 next

xd

[wary fjord]

0.1

or bust

[pseudo raven]

why not just 0

the chip itself will now be upscaled

[wary fjord]

i think to make that u have to smash two particles until they stick together

do that bilion of times

until u get an array hehe

i dont know how u gonna glue 0nm hehe together

[hoary zodiac]

0nm is probably more like

3nm in reality

[nocturne flicker]

Wake me up when we are at pm

[hoary zodiac]

I think at that point we won't be using silicon

[lone mango]

I looked at this again and was like what about the 9060

[nocturne flicker]

I think at that point I'll have been dead and buried for a very very very long time

[lone mango]

That will be irrelevant too

Another nms expansion

Wow

[nocturne flicker]

.001 nm yes

Oh wait, NMS

Not nanometers

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHAH

just reminded me of a chinese insult

[fresh timber]

chat

switch 2 is fragile

[nocturne flicker]

This is a Discord not a Twitch chat

[nocturne flicker]

We are Weggers

[wary fjord]

Graphene, Carbon Nanotubes

[hoary zodiac]

If someone calls me by "chat" I will actually pull out a glock

[fresh timber]

your australian, what glock

[hoary zodiac]

We have guns here

[fresh timber]

we have more

[wary fjord]

its fixable

[nocturne flicker]

Ain't helping us with anything

[hoary zodiac]

lmao

nice brag

Yeah I'm fine with you having more guns tbh

[wary fjord]

i think chat is the new "everyone" xD i hear my friends saying that too

[fresh timber]

yeah

i say chat irl on accident

[nocturne flicker]

What is wrong with guys. Or gals. Or everyone. Or Yo losers

[wary fjord]

"chat chat what we should do chat"

[fresh timber]

chat is nicer than yo loosers

[hoary zodiac]

I only say it ironically to mock people

[fresh timber]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-moist-critical-gif-1279463373585615177

im loading roblox

[nocturne flicker]

Yo whats up loser

[fresh timber]

wassup wegger

[wary fjord]

everyone is underrated

[hoary zodiac]

imagine if you mistyped that

💀

[nocturne flicker]

Everyune

[wary fjord]

only a ban hammer will know

[fresh timber]

my skin allows me to misstype it, just not in this server

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

Morally you can use it

[fresh timber]

excatly

just noit here

theirs a reason i dont vc tho, i will accidently say it

its in my vocab

[hoary zodiac]

Rightfully so

[wary fjord]

i saw people accidentally says it in interview

they dint get a job

[fresh timber]

oh

[nocturne flicker]

I wonder why

[hoary zodiac]

Meanwhile

[nocturne flicker]

[fresh timber]

im weird, i can codeswitch very easily

but when im on my pc i cant codeswitch easily

[hoary zodiac]

the "happy birthday" trolls

if you know you know

[nocturne flicker]

Happy Birthday

[wary fjord]

yeah on chat you have 1.2 sec to read your chat before sending it

[fresh timber]

happy birthday

[wary fjord]

ur safe with chat

right chat?

[fresh timber]

right chat

[nocturne flicker]

left chat

[fresh timber]

when im playing the game and just talking i dont filter my words, i 100% dont filter if where in a intensive match

[wary fjord]

deym typical 3am cod players

[lone mango]

Who is the guy that keeps saying chat

[wary fjord]

jk

[lone mango]

Something ninja

[fresh timber]

when im texting on this server i sometimes have to remind my self no cursing

[nocturne flicker]

You just said it

[hoary zodiac]

My vocab is mostly from the 20th century, followed by the 19th, then the 21st

[nocturne flicker]

[hoary zodiac]

safe to say I have no idea what people are saying half the time

[wary fjord]

im easly influence my vocab is dynamic

[hoary zodiac]

It doesn't even register as english

like wtf does "livy dunn rizzed up baby gronk" mean

[lone mango]

Its over

[nocturne flicker]

Yes

[wary fjord]

is this the genz thingy

[hoary zodiac]

ok so

[wary fjord]

i only recognize the rizz

[hoary zodiac]

my attempt is translation:

[wary fjord]

the rest is unknown

[nocturne flicker]

This is not my thing I'll have you know

[hoary zodiac]

"Livy", likely a woman named "Olivia", had seduced a figure or animal named "gronk", the "baby" could refer to their age or it could be a stage name

"dunn" likely means "had done"

[proud jackal]

hey guys

the nintendo switch 2 graphics are poop

[hoary zodiac]

Scholars are going to be examining brainrot a century later

[proud jackal]

[hoary zodiac]

and they're gonna have absolutely no idea what it means

[fresh timber]

is this good fps for 9070xt? im running ultranightmare graphics

[hoary zodiac]

What the hell is a "tralelo tralala"

[fresh timber]

nATIVE 1440P

[lone mango]

Turn it down to medium

Not even kidding

[fresh timber]

no

[wary fjord]

it can be good.. unless you ok with 2 hours of battery life

[lone mango]

Do iy

[fresh timber]

what benfit does medium have

[lone mango]

rn

[fresh timber]

do u just wanna see

[lone mango]

It looks no different but runs faster

[fresh timber]

you lied to me

[lone mango]

Ultra nightmane, nightmare, high, medium

[fresh timber]

im getting the same fps

[lone mango]

All the same

[wary fjord]

lol sounds like something u sing on a stage

[lone mango]

Cpu bottleneck then

[fresh timber]

why did u lie to me cloud, you broke my trust

[nocturne flicker]

Potato pc

[lone mango]

When I get dark ages im running on low

[wary fjord]

Baked Potato PC

[lone mango]

Even low looks good

[wary fjord]

with extra cheese

[hoary zodiac]

Ancient astronaut theorists associate this image of a shark as a religious figure, the audio, "tralelo tralala" is likely a religious chant, likely meaning "praise the lord", the language is similar to a contemporary European language known as "Italian", however, attempts to deciper the meaning of this scripture have not yielded any results

[fresh timber]

i can tell its not ultranightmare

better shadows

i wonder.. what if i run 4k

[lone mango]

And ill be getting it once denuvo is gone

[fresh timber]

filthy pirate

[lone mango]

No

[wary fjord]

dont pirate guys.. pirate bad

[hoary zodiac]

rootkit vs pirate

[nocturne flicker]

Sailing is better

[lone mango]

Its good actually, look at all the money the streaming companies make from making people get multiple subscriptions because of shows moving around

[fresh timber]

unironicly pirated versons of games can run better

[lone mango]

Plus games without denuvo run better

[hoary zodiac]

I prefer steam powered ships

https://tenor.com/view/ijn-yamto-gif-27132471

[nocturne flicker]

This server can not outwardly support piracy. I have heard sailing is great though

[fresh timber]

is it morally wrong to buy the game off steam, and download the pirated versons for better fps, you own the game

[lone mango]

No thats ok because you still pay for it

[hoary zodiac]

technically you own the game

morally it's right

[fresh timber]

pog

[hoary zodiac]

because you own a license to play the game

legally that doesn't stand as well

[fresh timber]

yuh

u have the license to legally pl ay it

[lone mango]

The point is to download it and then support the dev after you like the game

[nocturne flicker]

You own a license to play the game on the platform you purchased it

[lone mango]

Nowadays, people just torrent and forget I assume

[fresh timber]

so.. add the game to steam

easy

👅

[hoary zodiac]

you're still committing the act of downloading an illegitimate copy

however

if it's on pc

[lone mango]

Doesnt work that well

[hoary zodiac]

it's more acceptable if you're downloading a pc copy when you download a pc license

but if you own a console license

that's less acceptable

[fresh timber]

you could buy the GOG verson and u now own the game outright

[hoary zodiac]

actually yes

no drms

as long as you don't distribute it

[fresh timber]

excatly

[hoary zodiac]

you can do anything with the game aside from distributing it

[fresh timber]

okay is it distributing if you put the game on a ssd and physiclly give that ssd to your friend

[hoary zodiac]

yes

[wary fjord]

owning is illegal nowadays.

[hoary zodiac]

the intention was to distribute it

if there was intent

[lone mango]

Torrenting and then paying for the game later on is perfectly ok, and the way it should be done

[fresh timber]

so theirs no way to let ur friends play it

[hoary zodiac]

well here's the thing

[fresh timber]

atleast with steam u can just give ur account

[lone mango]

Witcher pirates would buy the game after playing it

[hoary zodiac]

if you're playing off the same copy

then it's fine

[fresh timber]

oh

i mean.. i can probably get that to work

[hoary zodiac]

steam has a interesting way of letting you share games

it's more morally grey if you want to be 100% legal

[fresh timber]

for smaller indie games i can prob get my friend to run the game off my nas

[nocturne flicker]

Stop trying to moralize whether or not piracy in certain situations is okay. Just sail or not sail as you please

[hoary zodiac]

you can make a system where when you share games you're playing the same copy technically

like how steam doesn't let you play games you share with people when someone's already playing that game

[fresh timber]

where talking about GOG and the laws around ownership

[hoary zodiac]

technically that's not piracy because it's one copy

[fresh timber]

yes

its one copy

[lone mango]

we're

[hoary zodiac]

while that copy might exist in two different locations

well

[fresh timber]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-blocked-cat-block-block-cat-cat-block-gif-12390661323466413430

[hoary zodiac]

copy is inaccurate

more like

license

[nocturne flicker]

I was responding to this

[fresh timber]

yeah

[hoary zodiac]

you're sharing that license with someone else

and that's perfectly fine

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

with GOG however that's more morally grey

[fresh timber]

torreting isnt illegal

[hoary zodiac]

since that's a full on copy of the game

[fresh timber]

its what ur using torreting for that can be illegal

[hoary zodiac]

you can do that with steam too when you're offline however

[nocturne flicker]

Okay

[lone mango]

What

[nocturne flicker]

And what does that have to do with what I said

[fresh timber]

you said thats piracy which he nevr stated it was

ur assuming

[nocturne flicker]

Context man

[fresh timber]

he could be downloading a game that uses torreting to distrabute it officly

i know a few

[hoary zodiac]

read what he said please

[fresh timber]

im acting like this for a reason

[hoary zodiac]

you're also misrepresenting his point

[fresh timber]

excatly

[hoary zodiac]

completely

that's... not something you should be proud of

[fresh timber]

also starfield is doodoo

[hoary zodiac]

ok buddy

[fresh timber]

if i act proud of my self i become happier

[nocturne flicker]

This is a statement to be proud of

[lone mango]

Only exists to benchmark

[fresh timber]

i downloaded it now im uninstlaling it

it feels.. stale

stale box of chips

[hoary zodiac]

It's AAA

[fresh timber]

im playing AAA right now

[lone mango]

Whats funny is that I skip it in benchmarks

[fresh timber]

i play plenty of AAA titles that are not stale

[lone mango]

I completely disregard the game

[hoary zodiac]

how about this

[fresh timber]

doom the dark ages is a MUCH better game

[hoary zodiac]

name a bunch of AAA games and WE will rate it

[nocturne flicker]

It is the pinnacle of Bethesda making their games as shallow and bland as possible

[hoary zodiac]

see how many said AAA games are actually good

[lone mango]

Red dead redemption 2

[hoary zodiac]

8/10

[fresh timber]

forntite, mincraft technicly roblox technicly forza horozin 5, Marvel rivals. cs2, apex legends

[nocturne flicker]

I have no grounds to judge

Never played either RDR

[fresh timber]

doom the dark ages

gta 5

all games i unironcily enjoy

also the new doom hate is forced

[lone mango]

Ignoring gta online, 5 is good

[hoary zodiac]

minecraft 7/10, forza horizon 5 7/10
doom 10/10
gta v 9/10
fps slop 5/10

[fresh timber]

i have fun in gta online killing random kids

[worn wave]

minecraft 7/10 is crazy

[hoary zodiac]

minecraft and forza is kinda sloppy so that's why the ratings are so low

see

[lone mango]

fh5 is forza for kids, 5/10

[hoary zodiac]

if it was 1.8.9 it'd be 9/10

[fresh timber]

i play 1.8.9 more than the others 👅

[hoary zodiac]

if we're rating minecraft as it is right now

[fresh timber]

is 1.8.9 AAA tho

[hoary zodiac]

then 7/10

[nocturne flicker]

I personally don't like Minecraft. Imo it is a 5 for any version

[hoary zodiac]

true

[fresh timber]

1.8.9 is more indie

[hoary zodiac]

when minecraft went AAA there was a massive quality dip

so

7/10 stands

[fresh timber]

fr

[worn wave]

the thing is it's super easy to change which version you play, they're all easily accessible

[fresh timber]

valid take

[lone mango]

Battlefield 4

[hoary zodiac]

we're rating AAA games so

[lone mango]

We love locker 24/7

[fresh timber]

mojang is the most laziest game studio i ev ever known

HOW DO U RELEASE 2 updates a YEAR

[hoary zodiac]

technically the newer minecraft version doesn't completely fit in this criteria

[nocturne flicker]

4 was a step down from 3 but still good

[fresh timber]

NOT EVEN 2 1

[hoary zodiac]

it's built off a good indie game

see here's the thing

[fresh timber]

i only play modded on newer versons

[hoary zodiac]

the quantity of updates aren't the problem

it's the quality

[fresh timber]

yeah

[hoary zodiac]

they take forever to make slop

[fresh timber]

they dont add anyting useful to the game

they add crap nobody cares about

nobody care about trial chambers

give me new weapons, new armor, neww tools, new consepts

[hoary zodiac]

actually the trial chambers are the best thing they've added

[fresh timber]

new END

[hoary zodiac]

there's more depth to the game

rather than just... wood

[fresh timber]

I wanna be able to use MAGIC in minecaft

[lone mango]

Why not make it to where it asks me for which proton version to pick by default

[nocturne flicker]

Stares at Mojang co-opting a potions mod

[hoary zodiac]

trial chamber was one of the better additions to recent minecraft

[lone mango]

Yeah let me go to the gear wheel for every single game

[hoary zodiac]

but to be fair

[fresh timber]

then i play modded mc and they make trial chambers but better

[hoary zodiac]

they've added nothing so

[fresh timber]

modded minecaft is hands down the better game

[hoary zodiac]

trial chambers is quite literally the only new noteworthy thing

in recent years

just saying

they've added one gameplay mecanic

one

singular

[fresh timber]

we need MORE

give us magic or something man

[nocturne flicker]

Pretty much everything Mojang has done was see somebody else make a mod and then yoink it

[hoary zodiac]

we don't need more

we need something that actually integrates with the core gameplay

[fresh timber]

the game is boring

[hoary zodiac]

quantity doesn't matter it's the quality

[fresh timber]

add cobblemon to the game

[hoary zodiac]

you can add as many mechanics as you want

but if they don't mesh with the core gameplay it's useless

[fresh timber]

yeah its called neoforge

[lone mango]

Titanfall

[nocturne flicker]

Never played

[fresh timber]

minecaft is the worst game ever unless modded or on a server

[hoary zodiac]

ok here's the thing

you shouldn't be comparing it to modded mc

[fresh timber]

why

[hoary zodiac]

because that's giving the studio too much credit

[fresh timber]

good point

[hoary zodiac]

the mods came from the community

[lone mango]

Yeah mojang does not have much to do with the modders

They all came from other people making them

[hoary zodiac]

mojang should be making those changes

not the mods

they're not "minecraft" mods

[nocturne flicker]

You don't review or judge something that has been modified away from what the actual company has done

[fresh timber]

mojang should really look at the modpacks people really enjoy and take inspiration.. instead they.. dont add anything anybody likes

[hoary zodiac]

they're community mods

[lone mango]

All mojang does is add something stupid and make the game run worse

(true story)

[fresh timber]

they will littrely add stuff nobody wants

[nocturne flicker]

Or take something from a mod and make it official

[fresh timber]

they dont ask people what they want

[lone mango]

Very rare

[fresh timber]

The mobvotes are total bs TOO

[hoary zodiac]

nah then they'll have to pay the mod developers

they're never going to do that

[fresh timber]

MOBVOTES ARE TERRIBLE for one fact

[hoary zodiac]

vex

who cares

[lone mango]

They do but its for something that is not important and then they add something else

[hoary zodiac]

no seriously that's not sass

[nocturne flicker]

They don't directly take it, but they've seen someone else do something and then add it themselves

[fresh timber]

they take 3 months to add one mob.. the community adds the mobs within 1 week of the trailer

[hoary zodiac]

that's literally my view of mob votes

[nocturne flicker]

Again, Potions

[hoary zodiac]

"who cares"

[fresh timber]

ME

ADD ALL THE MBS

[hoary zodiac]

no no

listen

[fresh timber]

DONT PICK ONE

ADD THEM ALL

[hoary zodiac]

"who cares"

[fresh timber]

IT PISSES MEO FF

[hoary zodiac]

as in I'm saying it to mojang

[fresh timber]

did u not see what happened last time.. their was a whole online riot

[hoary zodiac]

as in the whole concept of the vote

[fresh timber]

pretty sure this years mobvote was on bedrock only too

[hoary zodiac]

just develop the game

don't troll

[fresh timber]

its a stupid idea that shouldnt exist, get your lazy behinds off the couch and add every mob

[hoary zodiac]

who cares about the mob vote just add the damn thing in the game

[lone mango]

sorry too hard

[nocturne flicker]

I don't care. I only know what Minecraft is because of let's plays back in the day

[fresh timber]

no, add all the damn things to the game

[hoary zodiac]

that's my point

the vote serves no functional purpose

who cares

just add features into the game

make game not troll twitter

👍

[nocturne flicker]

Trickle feed content so it looks like they are doing work

[hoary zodiac]

discord dev mindset

[lone mango]

The issue is that they do that instead of doing what you want them to do

votes

[hoary zodiac]

in the time that mojang devs spent to add pandas

[nocturne flicker]

And then when they get criticized for it they can just say they are doing what the community wants

[hoary zodiac]

space engineers 2 beta have been released

[fresh timber]

idk is 9070xt 4k ready

[fresh timber]

IM SOO EXITED

[hoary zodiac]

we have space engineers 2 beta btw

you know

a real game

with real updates

[fresh timber]

ill buy the game once survivle is out

4k

[hoary zodiac]

space engineers 1 is a masterpiece

it's barebones but it's really good

[fresh timber]

im aware on hoiw good it is

it needs ALOT more content in the game, but for how little they have its amazing

im looking forward to much easier automation of mining and what not

[nocturne flicker]

I've been compressing mkv files for hours now and my room is a sauna

[fresh timber]

open a window

[hoary zodiac]

space engineers have also done a good job of allowing steam workshop

it's really easy to share builds

and even mods

[nocturne flicker]

I don't have access to one and even if I did that'd make it worse

[fresh timber]

i play with plugin

[hoary zodiac]

and see here's the difference

instead of mods being the main focus of space engineers

[fresh timber]

@lone mango 4k doom

[hoary zodiac]

the studio actually bothers to change up the gameplay

unlike mojank

[fresh timber]

fr

[lone mango]

Not very good right

[fresh timber]

they.. listen to the community unlike mojang

[nocturne flicker]

It may be cooler out but it is 85% humidity

[fresh timber]

i deadass kill my cpus cooling potentioanl on purpos so my room doesnt get hot

[lone mango]

What that mean

[fresh timber]

i make fans spin too slow

[nocturne flicker]

Wait no, 88%

[fresh timber]

like il set them to 0% and go on with my life

its mostly my damn gpu heating my room up

[lone mango]

30w of heat expelled is 30w of heat expelled

[fresh timber]

but with all the exhaust fans set to low.. have fun getting out

[fresh timber]

not inheirtly

the heat will just not go anywhere

[lone mango]

The cpu temperature is basically how much of the heat its generating is actually being retained

[nocturne flicker]

I've been at 100% cpu uti for about 10 hours now

[fresh timber]

if i dont spin the fans the heat lingers longer in the pc case and rad allowing my room more time to get fresh air in

[lone mango]

Why you doing this

[fresh timber]

u need a 5950x

rdna2 sucks for this so u cant even use that

[nocturne flicker]

I am not keeping 300gb dedicated to Star Trek Enterprise and 1tb for TNG

[lone mango]

I think you would get a better result by undervolting your gpu to the point where you lower clocks and then lower the voltage offset further

[fresh timber]

cloud i keep lowering my quality setitngs at 4k and i still cant get higher fps

[lone mango]

I know, dtda is weird

[fresh timber]

u know undervolting makes my gpu run faster and hotter right

[nocturne flicker]

I still haven't digitized Voyager

[lone mango]

Cap the clocks and go lower

[hoary zodiac]

wait

[fresh timber]

u cant cap clocks only offset

[hoary zodiac]

do you have a box set of voyager?

[fresh timber]

cloud

im getting 61fps at 4k all low...

[lone mango]

Its not a cap per se but its a target clock

[hoary zodiac]

I've been wanting to get all the ST box sets for a while

[fresh timber]

it might be cpu

[hoary zodiac]

same with B5

[nocturne flicker]

Not a complete one. I'd have to...fill in some gaps. Very large gaps

[hoary zodiac]

the DVD box sets are still superior to streaming imo

especially for DS9 and VOY

[fresh timber]

the one benfit to living at my dads house, i have a giant ass basment to dump heat into, and the basment needs it

[hoary zodiac]

are there HD releases for DS9 and voy?

[nocturne flicker]

No

[hoary zodiac]

there's no film masters for them right?

just tape

[nocturne flicker]

TNG was not profitable for them so they said screw it

[hoary zodiac]

whereas TNG had tape

film*

[fresh timber]

@lone mango 100fps at balanced FSR

[hoary zodiac]

average 90s-2000 sci fi

some of the best shows ever made

unprofitable

cancelled

now we get slop

[fresh timber]

i think balanced fsr at 4k is just 1080p or 1440p im not sure

[hoary zodiac]

What if you use the BOF-A preset

[nocturne flicker]

No, the TNG remasters weren't profitable

[fresh timber]

@lone mango this is dumb, im getting more fps upsaling from 1440p to 4k than native 1440p...

[hoary zodiac]

ohh the remasters

yeah that makes sense

same with TOS I imagine

[lone mango]

Try lowering the power limit, arent you able to go to like -30%

[nocturne flicker]

Each episode cost comething like 70k to remaster iirc

[hoary zodiac]

I do really want to get a TOS boxset with the original and remastered vfx

[lone mango]

Probably because balanced is a lower resolution than 1440p

[fresh timber]

chat gpt lied

[lone mango]

I think grok is pretty good

[fresh timber]

ok quality fsr is still more fps

that has to be 1440p right

[hoary zodiac]

eh

grok is mid compared to sug

[fresh timber]

its slgithly higher than 1440p

[lone mango]

Thats less

[fresh timber]

oh

yeah

2560

not 2259

[lone mango]

[fresh timber]

quality and balanced fsr are like the same

[hoary zodiac]

The year is 2259. The name of the place...

[fresh timber]

ok so answer me this. why is 1440p upscale to 4k getting more fps than 1440p native

[nocturne flicker]

Also both DS9 and Voyager used film, but those both heavily used CGI, TNG only started using CGI in the later seasons or rarely beforehand

[hoary zodiac]

yeah

DS9 and VOY have more stuff happening on screen

while TNG is just

massive battleship fires one beam

[fresh timber]

welp i guess im running my main moniotr at 1440p and upscaling from 1440p

i get more fps

[hoary zodiac]

yes I'm calling the Enterprise a battleship

it was used as a battleship in the dominion war

[lone mango]

Try 1440p quality

Because downscaling looks weird

Unless its 4k to 1080p

[nocturne flicker]

There was a remaster of the Sacrifice of Angels battle scene for the documentary iirc

[hoary zodiac]

There's a lot of vfx remakes of sacrifice of angels on youtube

[nocturne flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA8ocilc3t4

[fresh timber]

What’s 2k 1440p

I’ll run that

[hoary zodiac]

you know what's annoying

[fresh timber]

Me

[hoary zodiac]

in Generations

they had the Enterprise fire one beam at the bird of prey

[fresh timber]

I’m making 2am chicken

[hoary zodiac]

and then get blown up

[lone mango]

I think power limit is the cheat code rather than clocks

[nocturne flicker]

I make salami sandwhich

[fresh timber]

I'm 100% making a profile
For lower lower usage with same fps

[lone mango]

2k is closer to 1080p but people call 1440p 2k

[hoary zodiac]

Salamis?

Salamis mentioned wtf is a Persian navy

[lone mango]

This is the way

[fresh timber]

I need it for the summer when I go back to my moms

I need one for my 13600kf too

It uses 140w after static UV

[idle nexus]

damn & I thought 12900K could only do like 7000mt/s lol

[nocturne flicker]

I shall have one Salamis sandwich please. With extra Greek olive oil

[fresh timber]

Honestly this is a sign I should all and go am5

[fresh timber]

I should side grade to 7700x

Lower power draw, same performance

[idle nexus]

secondaries are trash but it POSTed 8000c36 pretty easily

[fresh timber]

Pog

[lone mango]

I would hold out until zen 6 comes

[hoary zodiac]

skill issue

[idle nexus]

tomorrow I'll see if it'll go higher lol

[fresh timber]

Am6

[hoary zodiac]

just underclock

ez

[fresh timber]

Ew

[hoary zodiac]

it's free

[lone mango]

Thats too long to wait

[fresh timber]

No

[fresh timber]

Zen 6 it is

I’m in no rush to replace my cpu, still fast

[lone mango]

Well am6 is gonna be longer

[idle nexus]

lol watch my 12900K POST higher than 13900KS somehow

[lone mango]

nvm i misread

[idle nexus]

I really need to glue that thing's IHS back on & RMA lolk

[fresh timber]

Hopefully when am6 comes out I’ll be working so I can cop instantly, or I’ll have a pc business

[lone mango]

I thought about starting something like that

[fresh timber]

I’m doing it

[lone mango]

But I have no idea how to run it

[fresh timber]

I have a website chat gpu made already

I need to figure out business cards

[nocturne flicker]

ChatGPU

[fresh timber]

And hosting it

Where can I host a website

Mhh

[hoary zodiac]

I know someone who's a business card enthusiast

He goes by Paul Allen

[lone mango]

The hard part is minimizing cost

[fresh timber]

I could rent a bum ass VPs for like $2 a month

[lone mango]

I mean pc parts

[fresh timber]

Connect to my cloud flare easy

[fresh timber]

Oh

[hoary zodiac]

lol I just shove my website onto my haswell

that's already running stuff

[fresh timber]

Ima make rebuilds with poop parts in places I can

[lone mango]

Idk I think about the customer a lot, like I dont want to get something with exposed vrms and charge a premium for it

[hoary zodiac]

takes no resources to run a website

oh

is he hosting a vps

[fresh timber]

I can get away with poop ram, 5600 cl36 easy, ddr4.. just give them 2 8gb sticks

[lone mango]

Good guy cloud goes out of business because of not buying the cheapest stuff and putting rgb slop on builds

[fresh timber]

Ima find a cheap VPS to host my very simple website

It’s just html and css

[hoary zodiac]

github is free

[fresh timber]

I have a domain

Oo orical free tier

[lone mango]

at least 6000 man

[fresh timber]

Easy

[fresh timber]

No

[hoary zodiac]

I should probably make an actual web ui for my server

[fresh timber]

You get 5600 and you will like it

[lone mango]

See thats why I would struggle

[hoary zodiac]

I'm gonna expose an entire vm

[fresh timber]

5600 will be plenty for most gamers let’s be honest, it’s only us people buying what’s really the best

[hoary zodiac]

just to run web services

I have two mini pcs

I can afford it

one for minecraft

[lone mango]

Because I have to go against my values

[hoary zodiac]

one for everything else

actually I can do it on one vm tbh

2 cores per vm

[fresh timber]

My values are making money with out being a total ripoff

[lone mango]

I try to have people spend the least but get the most, and if I were to do that then I would be making penny margins

[hoary zodiac]

I put out what I preach

[fresh timber]

I’m selling a 5500+rx6600 pc for $200 more than it’s worth due to $50 worth of rgb

[hoary zodiac]

the only scenario where I would get a cheap board with exposed vrms

is when I'm selling it as is

and the board has to be able to handle the full system specs listed

[fresh timber]

Yeah I’ll prob buy cheap am4 boards on eBay and use them in systems

You don’t need much for a 3600

[hoary zodiac]

like I'm not going to get a $120 board for a 5500

that can run a 5500 fine with airflow

[fresh timber]

If you want upgradable pc, make it your self

[hoary zodiac]

Ryzen 7 however

I'd pay more attention for vrms

and definitely a heatsink

[hoary zodiac]

see here's the thing

you have to make sure the vrms can actually handle the cpu you're using

as long as the system can run smoothly under worse case scenario with those vrms and cooling (or lack thereof), then you're good

if not

well

🤨

[lone mango]

110c vrm

[fresh timber]

Excatly.

I know a guy using a motherboard with out heat syncs in a 5900x

[hoary zodiac]

no airflow
ryzen 7

[fresh timber]

And he used a stock cooler

[hoary zodiac]

what does the heat sync with?

[fresh timber]

Heat thingy

I forgot name

5900x throttled 24/7

[hoary zodiac]

wireless heat

[fresh timber]

It was fun y

[hoary zodiac]

wait...

[lone mango]

Yes but it has the remote

[hoary zodiac]

that actually is how heat works

[hoary zodiac]

wtf is that

I can get that for a dollar in China

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

that's taobao retail price

[lone mango]

So thats what they use in cheap flips

Npcs like the remote

[hoary zodiac]

mate

if you're ever thinking of making a pc flipping business

on a large scale

do it in china

it's so cheap

trust me when I say

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

aliexpress is overpriced when compared to taobao inside China

[lone mango]

Now thats crazy

[hoary zodiac]

the problem is shipping the pcs