general-chat

[hoary zodiac]

The McDonald's meal costs as much as getting takeout chinese or indian

There is actually no value in fast food

💀

If it was half the price I wouldn't be complaining tbh

[rigid sinew]

its just faster not better

unpopular opinion, i dont tip for fast food , or drinks either

[hoary zodiac]

Good

[rigid sinew]

only when i go to restaurants

[proud jackal]

[nocturne flicker]

I can't participate in this convo, have to go and get some Wendy's

[rigid sinew]

enjoy wendys... wendeez..

[hoary zodiac]

@opaque sedge

[rigid sinew]

y r u snitching on me

[hoary zodiac]

[rigid sinew]

i made some lunch for today, chicken and rice... i left it at home cause i didnt think my appt would take long.. now i have to go get food

[hoary zodiac]

Now I'm hungry

[lone mango]

I think like 40% of my diet is rice with some kind of meat

maybe even more

[hoary zodiac]

Gonna go make some cheapskate noodles

[lone mango]

Boy dinner

[hoary zodiac]

Based

I ate plain rice with salmon yesterday

[rigid sinew]

i miss noodles 😦

[hoary zodiac]

Literally just rice and salmon

[lone mango]

The real boy dinner is the horse feed

[hoary zodiac]

To be fair I seasoned the salmon

And chucked it in the air fryer

[rigid sinew]

are air fryers worth it

[hoary zodiac]

It's fast at cooking stuff

It's worth it if you want to bake stuff quickly

[rigid sinew]

maybe i should get one

[hoary zodiac]

Like frozen fries and such

Air fryers are stupid quick

I cooked my salmon in under 10 minutes

I mean to be fair that's salmon

Takes like no time to cook

But still

[rancid juniper]

Air fryers is a must

[hoary zodiac]

A toaster oven is quite a bit slower

[lone mango]

The gymbro chefs on instagram love air fryers

Goes hard

[hoary zodiac]

Because of the way they're designed

[lone mango]

Homemade cfa chicken sandwich

[hoary zodiac]

Air fryers are very efficient

[lone mango]

Half the calories

[hoary zodiac]

I eat this chinese crap

Spiced pork cubes with noodles

You have no idea how good this canned stuff is

These are the only two ingredients btw

These cubes have so much flavour it's enough to flavour the plain noodle water

[lone mango]

I am very fortunate to like rasterized games over ray traced games

Rt lighting looks overdone

[lone mango]

You know the consumerist urges you get to buy new tech even though you dont need it

I am getting the urge to get the 9060 xt

This is completely unnecessary

[hoary zodiac]

No I don't

Instead I buy old tech

Haswell is dirt cheap

Naturally that leads to me buying 20 of them for some god damn reason

[paper verge]

BRO YOU CHINESE?

dayum have you and mushroom met?

[dusk knot]

hm

[sinful blade]

OI

[hoary zodiac]

Unfortunately

[upper rain]

i think reflections look nice, but until we can do RT actually in real time the temporal artifacts kill it for me. closing a door and the light sloooowwwwlly fading out for three seconds is uh- well not great lol. or like in CP2077 even with PT and DLSS 3.5 RR the color changing lights not matching the color of rays cast because there is a delay between the lighting updates

[sinful blade]

How does NoYada sound for a brand name? Implying no BS, light, fluffy name, slight nostalgia to the 90s

[paper verge]

bro dat cool

[hoary zodiac]

No citizenship

💀

[lone mango]

Taa masks the noise and glitching so thats not going anywhere

[hoary zodiac]

Gotta actually work for it

[sinful blade]

For pc building****

[paper verge]

NoYada breh

[hoary zodiac]

Sounds like a dropshipping site

[lone mango]

Or flickering I should say

[nocturne flicker]

Boeing's lore is that he is from HK, is a student in Australia and all whistle blowers disappear

[upper rain]

it's both TAA and a problem with the technology itself. TAA makes is smeary, but we aren't casting enough rays frequenty enough for the delay between updates to go away either

[paper verge]

i thought that was your lore

[upper rain]

TAA makes it blurry (so you see the grain less), but RT itself is just really slow to update lighting

[lone mango]

Yeah

[hoary zodiac]

I'm the descendant of Władysław II Jagiełło

[lone mango]

Also why taa and nanite go well together because for some reason things can look garbled

taa smears it and it looks better

[nocturne flicker]

No I am the fat northerner that works at a southern gas station for pennies

[paper verge]

arent you a professor

[nocturne flicker]

No

[paper verge]

is that your cover story

[hoary zodiac]

I hate discord so much

[nocturne flicker]

I'm a college dropout man

[paper verge]

fr?

[nocturne flicker]

Yes

[lone mango]

Yeah you need to get the flatpak or a system package of it because the standalone does not auto update

[hoary zodiac]

Nah

[paper verge]

so where did you drop onto?

[hoary zodiac]

Bloat

[nocturne flicker]

10k student debt with no funni paper

[paper verge]

flatpak isnt bloat

wtf

[lone mango]

Honestly it is

[hoary zodiac]

I only sandbox for apps that need to be sandboxed

[paper verge]

how so?

[hoary zodiac]

I don't have enough drive space

[lone mango]

Compared to other apps it is

[paper verge]

Flatpak is like Snap

but without the bloat

bruh

[hoary zodiac]

flatpak apps are sandboxed so they take up more space than regular packages

[lone mango]

Because of how they sandbox each app

[paper verge]

Actual apps built on flatpak share the same packages

so less bloat

[hoary zodiac]

I only used flatpak for KDE apps so KDE doesn't clog up my update pipeline

[paper verge]

someone tell me when KDE 7 or the next big one will come out

[sinful blade]

Coming up with this pc building name is so difficult

[paper verge]

KDE 6 i think its now is soo mid

[hoary zodiac]

I'm one of those people who use a WM

KDE too bloated or something

[paper verge]

i really tried to convince my self WMS are better

they just arent

[lone mango]

How this 9 gigs

[paper verge]

Ive used Xmonad, Hypr, and awesome

[hoary zodiac]

I say KDE is bloated but it's still 100x better than windows crap

[paper verge]

its just not it

[lone mango]

These are all small apps

[hoary zodiac]

most bloated linux distro vs least bloated windows install

linux will always come out on top

[paper verge]

KDE though

barely uses any sys resources

which is crazy

[hoary zodiac]

yeah that's the funny part

it's the most feature packed DE

yet it barely uses anything

[paper verge]

Even gnome and that mouse one

use more resources

[lone mango]

You can use even less but its a rabbit hole thats pointless imo

My install uses like 2.1 gig

[hoary zodiac]

Window manager

oh jesus christ wtf

[lone mango]

His uses like 1.2 or something

[hoary zodiac]

why am I at 4GB

[lone mango]

My w10 install uses more with nothing open

🦾

Buy more ram peasant

[paper verge]

My big brain move was like

Ive used linux for 4 years let me fully setup a distro i'll use for the rest of my life

[hoary zodiac]

nothing open

[paper verge]

it honestly took me 4 months before i switched to another entire distro

bruh

[hoary zodiac]

steam and discord decided to use 1GB each I guess

💀

bit annoying but I have 32 gigs

[lone mango]

yeah steam uses a good amount of ram

[paper verge]

gaming on linu

sucks

tbh

[lone mango]

nawh

well

[hoary zodiac]

nah

[lone mango]

depends on the game

but i have no problems

[hoary zodiac]

it depends on the games you play

I just happen to play none of the games that don't work

[paper verge]

DCS

[lone mango]

How i use less

[hoary zodiac]

this is my bloated install

[paper verge]

bro what am i even talking about

the only game that i could play was cs2

[hoary zodiac]

not my optimized work laptop install

[paper verge]

out of the 20 i had

[lone mango]

I remember you sent a pic of your i5 8250 laptop using like 1.2 or something

[frigid stag]

Better than cs2

[lone mango]

Crazy

[hoary zodiac]

have you tried protonge?

is that CSS

wtf

haven't seen that in ages

[frigid stag]

CsCo

Classic offensive

[lone mango]

What games you mainly play

[lone mango]

cachy proton also gets updated really frequently

cachy is really cool

[hoary zodiac]

damn

[lone mango]

my cachy is on 6.15

[hoary zodiac]

I have to install my own proton

WM experience

It's supposed to be barebones but my gaming laptop's install is bloated as hell

I need to purge my packages

[lone mango]

I guess nobara isnt that bloated

[hoary zodiac]

my kaby lake laptop uses half the ram my gaming laptop does idle

this install is bloated as hell

it's got elements from installs from years ago

[lone mango]

The nobara website talks about removing kde bloat on the page about switching to kde from gnome in the steps

[hoary zodiac]

see

What I do is

I install KDE packages in flatpak

so I don't have to update a billion packages

[lone mango]

For some reason I cant use flatpak in cachy

It just wont work

[hoary zodiac]

terminal?

[paper verge]

DCS, Squad, Arma, Milsims

[lone mango]

Yeah it wont use it

[hoary zodiac]

oh wtf

[lone mango]

Or even install or anything

[hoary zodiac]

those are the specific types of games that don't work

unlucky 💀

I tried installing arma 3

the native port is outdated

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

proton doesn't work

Thanks Bohemia

Speaking of Bohemia

hmmm

[lone mango]

There is an app called protonplus

[paper verge]

arma bleh nowadays

[lone mango]

You manage proton versions with it

[hoary zodiac]

I like to play antistasi

[lone mango]

https://www.protondb.com/

useful website

[nocturne flicker]

You should run proton while running proton to play games

Sponsored by ProtonVPN

[fresh timber]

Hi

[lone mango]

https://youtu.be/rdptUeLd9sw

Wow this was 2 weeks ago

[nocturne flicker]

Make a linux distro called proton that comes with proton and proton by default

[nocturne flicker]

And make the rest of the distro electron themed

[frigid stag]

so close to 6000c22

if it hits that i might upgrade to ddr5

or 6000c19/20

[lone mango]

Wonder how ryzen would benefit with such low latency

This would close the gap to x3d

[fresh timber]

bri

u trued @lone mango

@lone mango guess what

NO MAN SKY WONT DO 1440p EITHER

[icy ore]

[lone mango]

About what

[lone mango]

Weird

Try dp cable

[fresh timber]

i am using DP cable

i have two displays silly

[lone mango]

[fresh timber]

i just got off and tryingrivals

ima just load windows to game anyways

[acoustic palm]

@fresh timber how much was your 9070xt

[lone mango]

What was true

[fresh timber]

2 much

do i

[acoustic palm]

Damn

I’m seeing 720$ on HotStock rn

[fresh timber]

@acoustic palm https://youtube.com/shorts/h5YnIWDUqFw?si=uNs8A4CpsR369clQ

[acoustic palm]

Oh crap

No way

[fresh timber]

Yes way

It’s happening

[acoustic palm]

Not possible

I refuse

[fresh timber]

Very possible

[acoustic palm]

To believe

[acoustic palm]

Did you quit

[fresh timber]

i quit but didnt get rid of my stuff

i should buy those fans

[acoustic palm]

Lemme have some stuff trust

[fresh timber]

no

ima go order the cheapest 140mm fans i can find

it barleyy cost more for rgb welp i guessi m going rgb then

[acoustic palm]

Mines 52c and 84c hotspot

[fresh timber]

welp im getting three 140mm fans. i only need two

its cheaper to get three

[acoustic palm]

Gimme your sb stuff

😦

[fresh timber]

i bought the fans

my gpu needs airflow

ill try fitting the fan in my nas when im done kek

[misty sparrow]

I don’t feel like watching, what’s this about

[lone mango]

Bro its a short

[misty sparrow]

Sometimes these things won’t play

[fresh timber]

Fr

Super short

I play

[upper rain]

i'm a fan of ur fans

ba dum tss

[fresh timber]

lol

[fresh timber]

i put so much money into this pc thats getting sold the fans wont even fit in the case

im case swapping so i either gotta find a case that accepts these 140mm thats matx or ill just keep them

[upper rain]

i told myself i was going to stay break-even on my PC after i hit it the first time and now i think i'm down like $800 and not even that much better than when i got it lmfao

that's how it do be

[fresh timber]

lmfao i dont wanna break even i just want money in my pocket

[upper rain]

fairs

[fresh timber]

mostly money to use on my main pc

next is a new motherboard and ddr5 so i can pass my old stuff along to antoher build

i got usba to usbc adapters so i can finally use my headset

[acoustic palm]

an update thats been hyped up for many many years

[hoary zodiac]

How am I so bad at midnight motorist

reee

cash farming gone wrong

[cursive oasis]

are there any benefits to doing this?

[fresh timber]

Midnight

Hello fellow Australian

I’m Australian American

[fresh timber]

Faster data rates

[cursive oasis]

Liquid cooled laptop

[hoary zodiac]

no.

[fresh timber]

i need a new desk mines water damanged kek

oo i wonder if i could diy new wood panels

i just need to replace a door and two panels

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[grand kernel]

does discord screensharing still use h264?

[fresh timber]

i think it supports av1

[grand kernel]

my performance tanks to an unbelievable degree when screensharing on this rx 9070xt

no screenshare = 220 fps, 0.0% microstutter
screenshare = 60 fps, 78% microstutter

[fresh timber]

they used to have a av1 setting in discord

i cant find it anymore

[fresh timber]

for me it depends on the day

sometimes i just reboot and it fixes it, other days its a stuttery mess

[rigid sinew]

no 5090 for u

[grand kernel]

ok nvm I just went back to default settings after trying some things

and now it's screensharing at 210 fps

now my question is

why am I getting 210 fps when I set a 162 fps cap in the driver

[lone mango]

Yes unless you have nvidia

[lone mango]

Nvidia only

[grand kernel]

idk what happened but i just changed some settings and changed them back and now screensharing works perfectly

[lone mango]

Very silly thing to do

[fresh timber]

i swore i saw it before on my amd system

[fresh timber]

also stream at a lower res

[grand kernel]

im streaming at 1440p 60 fps

[lone mango]

Use the cpu

[grand kernel]

and minimal performance loss now

using cpu was even worse

[lone mango]

Interesting

[grand kernel]

45 fps and stream looked bad

streaming from gpu at 210 fps no stutter now

[lone mango]

Nice

[lone mango]

I thought any av1 capable card could by now but it is still nvidia only

And av1 encoded video still doesn’t embed

[fresh timber]

why discord

its just a codec

[lone mango]

Its free bruh

[fresh timber]

yeah that makes me mad

[lone mango]

No royalties

[fresh timber]

I RECORD IN 1440p

av1

[lone mango]

You would think after a year they would implement this

Well

[fresh timber]

devices that dont support av1 can do a funny thing called CPU decode

[mental yoke]

my qn800d lags on appletv but primevideo works fine

[lone mango]

Anything relatively new can decode av1

[mental yoke]

but thats native os app so poop

[fresh timber]

older devices

plenty that dont have av1

[lone mango]

But encoding requires something new

[fresh timber]

my iphone 14 cant decode av1

[mental yoke]

chrome wont decode av1?

[lone mango]

Apple best company

Incredible feature set

[fresh timber]

Fr

[tranquil pebble]

I found a MediaTek Wifi card that does not suck

[fresh timber]

Impossible

[tranquil pebble]

Well, this thing has given me no issues

[fresh timber]

Stress test it for 48 hours

[tranquil pebble]

that said I will still likely put a Intel Wifi 7 card in this laptop

[grand kernel]

do you guys get micro stutter from the radeon overlay? i feel like i got some micro stutter with it that's gone now that i turned it off

[fresh timber]

I don’t

[misty sparrow]

pretty sure all of you have been talking about Radeon overlay problems in the past few days

driver issue?

[fresh timber]

He doesn’t wanna DDU them

[grand kernel]

well the overlay works now that it's connected to a regular monitor

the issue i was having

[dusk knot]

Hmmm

[grand kernel]

is that the monitor i was using has a native portrait orientation

and AMD drivers seem to always only follow native orientation

[fresh timber]

Yeah the display in the case is likely a display used in tablets which is portrait by default

[grand kernel]

so the overlay was being drawn off-screen

0 issues getting the overlay to show up on proper monitor

[fresh timber]

I want a overlay that runs in another monitor

[grand kernel]

im just wondering if like

the overlay is introducing some microstutter or the game is just doing something like shader compilation in the background since it's first launch

also are you able to screenshot your overlay

i can't

overlay disappears if i try to screenshot, then comes back

[fresh timber]

I have not been able to

That seems intentional

Use cap frame x if u wanna screenshot it

[mental yoke]

phone

selfie

[nocturne flicker]

self phonie

[mental yoke]

me so phonie

[fresh timber]

https://a.storyblok.com/f/281110/922x665/31a3939307/q300l-sec8-1.png/m/1920x0/smart

[mental yoke]

📱

[fresh timber]

Ima try putting a 140mm fan in a 120mm spot

I bet it will fit

[mental yoke]

those noctua fans have that weird 140x120 thing ive used in a lot of fun spots

[fresh timber]

Wow

The adapters cost $12

[mental yoke]

the fans i got just mount that way but honestly 120mm fans can perform better in certain conditions

[grand kernel]

it's funny the overlay jumps to discord every time i tab out to discord

[fresh timber]

I’m just putting fans in this case cause my 9070xt is getting hot

[mental yoke]

proly spyware

sounds like it

[rancid juniper]

bigger fans = better

[grand kernel]

radeon driver is spyware?

[mental yoke]

same for speakers and why headphones suck

[nocturne flicker]

bigger number better

[fresh timber]

It follows the active window

[grand kernel]

im aware

i just think its funny

[fresh timber]

Ugh I need three Thermalright fans

[mental yoke]

best place for it

[nocturne flicker]

Brag about your Better Business Bureau if you please, the only BBB for me is Bigger Number Better

[fresh timber]

I alr ordered 3 140mm now I need theee 120

[nocturne flicker]

The third B is invisible

And silent

Bigger Bumber Better

Bigger numBer Better

[mental yoke]

i keep putting butts there for sone reason

[fresh timber]

I want

[nocturne flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-ok-um-okay-hmm-wait-gif-15827095

[rancid juniper]

watch it hit $500

[fresh timber]

My friend is upgrading his 4060 to that hopefully

[grand kernel]

overlay stutter is much less after removing CPU stuff

the CPU stuff was extremely inaccurate anyway

[fresh timber]

Your pc seems to be full of problems

[grand kernel]

it was reporting 5.0ghz at 1.3v when it was actually 5425mhz at 1.25v

i mean i did a full OS reinstall before starting to actually use it

so this is a fresh driver install too

[fresh timber]

What if AMD is correct and your other tool isn’t accurate

[grand kernel]

the other tool is hwinfo

5.0ghz at 1.3v just doesn't make sense at all

[mental yoke]

better get the digital micro volt meter out

[fresh timber]

Stares at my Intel

5.1ghz 1.22v 😭😭

[grand kernel]

given my pbo/co settings

[fresh timber]

That explains it

[grand kernel]

if cpu is really 5.0ghz that should be happening at like

1.0v or lower

[fresh timber]

I wish I could
Run 5ghz at 1v

[grand kernel]

your 13600k is that bad of a bin?

or you're just running stock

[fresh timber]

I’m running 1.22v static

[grand kernel]

my 13700k was doing 5.5ghz at 1.28v

[fresh timber]

I can run 5.6ghz just I forgot my settings lmfao

And I’m never doing it again with the recent Intel drama

[grand kernel]

my old 13700k still died despite running undervolted since day 1

💀

[rancid juniper]

should i

stick to 5.4ghz @ 1.185v

or

5.2ghz @ 1.105v?

[fresh timber]

lmfao

im prob going to save for a new motherboard

[grand kernel]

if 5.4ghz 1.185v is stable then 5.2ghz is probably stable at lower than 1.105v

[rancid juniper]

no it isn't lel

[grand kernel]

weird

[rancid juniper]

well it does run

[fresh timber]

i wanna get a o11 and run dual PSU for some re ason

[rancid juniper]

but OCCT thinks otherwise

Running CPU Extreme found some WHEA errors

[grand kernel]

i'd legit expect 5.2ghz to run at like 1.05v max if 5.4ghz is stable at only 1.185v

[fresh timber]

im going amd zen 6 hopefully

if zen6 isnt a good upgrade im going to wait for am6 if thats after zen6

[rancid juniper]

i did manage to run it at 1.095v for a couple months prior to testing it with OCCT

[lone mango]

No but a frame rate drop is to be expected

[rancid juniper]

no shot the 13600k can go lower than that (tested it)

[lone mango]

Nvidia overlay is like that too

[fresh timber]

10800x3d better be good

[grand kernel]

i dont mind a frame rate drop but it was reporting microstutter up to 17%

i removed the cpu monitoring and now microstutter never goes above 1%

so we're good i think

[lone mango]

Yeah thats not supposed to happen

Well if that fixes it then it is what it is

[fresh timber]

my 9070xt kept crashing when i ran uv

[grand kernel]

in either case im not gonna be using the overlay long term

[fresh timber]

idfk why now

[grand kernel]

just using it for now to monitor things while the pc is new

[lone mango]

Mangohud sweeps everything

[grand kernel]

make sure everything is performing up to expectations

[fresh timber]

for having no airflow this aint bad

[lone mango]

[grand kernel]

my hotspot temps have calmed down a lot

my ptm7950 cooked

[fresh timber]

lol

[lone mango]

Windows the sacrificial bench system

[fresh timber]

i have 140mm fan comming tommrow cloud, goin blow right onto the 9070xt

give it some fresh air to breath with

[grand kernel]

hey, i only killed 1 windows install on this pc

that's pretty good

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-wow-wow-starts-clapping-gif-23651813

[grand kernel]

the degree of corruption was pretty intense though

[lone mango]

I have never killed a windows installation

[fresh timber]

when i get home ima prob reinstall windows on my main rig

wtf is up with windows needing reinstall and corrupting, iv never had that issue on my linux installs

[grand kernel]

the windows install was so corrupted it was bsod boot looping at default bios settings lol

we do a bit of gaming 🔥

[fresh timber]

linux doesnt even need DDU, the gpu just works

lol

[grand kernel]

you're probably just running unstable settings

i've had to reduce my gpu undervolt all the way to -90mV for games

-125mV passed steel nomad

[lone mango]

You can put the drive into a completely different system and it will make the according changes on its own

[fresh timber]

i reduced it to nothing

[lone mango]

Probably while booting

[grand kernel]

3dmark is not a stability test

[fresh timber]

i get no performance gains

overclocked or not my fps is the same

so like.. why am i uv

[rancid juniper]

steel nomad purgatory

[grand kernel]

💀

[fresh timber]

i cant wait to beat u when i get home

ru on ddr4 or ddr5

[rancid juniper]

DDR4

[fresh timber]

how fast

[rancid juniper]

32gb

[grand kernel]

my 9070xt was beating 5070ti by a lot in steel nomad good enough for me im happy

[fresh timber]

i might beat u on memory bandwith

[rancid juniper]

3600mhz CL16

[slate fractal]

star wars reference

[fresh timber]

oo i beat u on memory bandwith

[rancid juniper]

smh

[lone mango]

[fresh timber]

if i had a 7800xt i should in theory get more fps

cpu faster

[rancid juniper]

no you wouldn't

[grand kernel]

mailing you my b-die

[rancid juniper]

cuz ur rig is mid

jk

[fresh timber]

in ram intensive games i should

[worthy meteor]

They say it is smh

[fresh timber]

forntite

[slate fractal]

forntite 🔥🔥

[rancid juniper]

❤️

[lone mango]

fornite

[grand kernel]

time for 4200c12 gear 1 2.2v

thoughts

[rancid juniper]

bruh

[fresh timber]

i had to run custom sub timings on my 4000mt/s xmp kit cause the 1% lows are awful with out tuning it

[grand kernel]

hey man, i delidded it and put on real heatsinks for a reason

[rancid juniper]

not even watercooled

doesn't count

[worthy meteor]

Most Mobo won't even let you apply that voltage smh

[fresh timber]

seriosuly who tf ships a ram kit that run stuttery out of the box

[grand kernel]

all xmp works like that

[lone mango]

Me

[grand kernel]

lol

xmp doesn't apply any subtimings whatsoever

[slate fractal]

who tf uses ram

[fresh timber]

kek it weird i run it at the same xmp as my corsair and it runs better until i do custom settings

[fresh timber]

it should smh, its a stutery mess with out

[worthy meteor]

That's too much work smh

[grand kernel]

theres a reason i bother with ram oc for 2 weeks before i even touch my new pc

[fresh timber]

i had to make it run gear 1 instead of gear 2 too, kek

[fresh timber]

real

i could prob get my timings even more tight but i dont feel like it.. im happy with my 1% lows not being poo

[slate fractal]

wait do you guys think itd be possible for a pc to run off a page file instead of actual ram

or do you need real ram

[rancid juniper]

you need physical ram

[fresh timber]

ehh the system needs physical ram to even boot

if it could default to a page file it might not run bad

[worthy meteor]

I'm too lazy to actually spend more than a day on ram OC so I'll just make everything loose until it's stable

[fresh timber]

i bought a 4000mt/s kit so i DIDNT have to ram oc.. and i ended up having to ram oc

[grand kernel]

i don't think you can with any existing UEFI but maybe if you wrote your own UEFI to do that it would be theoretically possible lol

[slate fractal]

hey at least you can even overclock your components im on a dell mobo

[fresh timber]

what if u made ram sticks that just use regular nand

[grand kernel]

meh, you can probably get a 2400 mt/s manual oc to perform better than 4000 mt/s xmp

[worthy meteor]

Theoretically there's nothing stopping you from using some operating system that makes the CPU hit non volatile storage for everything and use no ram

[fresh timber]

low number looks worst

i wanna flex 4000

[grand kernel]

you would definitely need some sort of custom UEFI

board is gonna try to do memory training and fail lol

[fresh timber]

i could prob get more performance with 3600mt/s and tighter timings but womp womp

[lone mango]

Yeah after like 5 days of resetting cmos

[worthy meteor]

Just use riscv

Prob need custom Mobo either way though

[slate fractal]

so would you change a 3080 for a 4060 because bigger number?

[grand kernel]

idk man even if im taking 2 weeks to really nail down a ram oc i'm usually done with cmos clears within the first hour or two

[fresh timber]

the 80 sounds more impactful for me

[grand kernel]

see how low timings will boot, remember them, then you don't need to clear cmos anymore

[fresh timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PnXV3C/asus-rog-maximus-z790-dark-hero-atx-lga1700-motherboard-rog-maximus-z790-dark-hero do i buy

[grand kernel]

💀

i, too, hate money

[worthy meteor]

Brain memory is too good smh

[fresh timber]

it cost as much as my 9070xt+new motherboard LMFAO

[slate fractal]

well yeah but 4060 is like
900 more than 3080

[grand kernel]

my brain got 2mb of sdr

[slate fractal]

wait no i miscalculated

[grand kernel]

should i overclock my brain by injecting more voltage?

[worthy meteor]

No that's called drug abuse

[slate fractal]

only if you get addicted

[grand kernel]

thinking about running 200v through my brain and cooling it with liquid nitrogen

[fresh timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MZWJ7P/gigabyte-z790-aorus-elite-x-wifi7-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-aorus-elite-x-wifi7 i want this only for the fact theirs a good chance i can fit my 2nd gpu in that 2nd "16x" slot

[grand kernel]

i had heard my main game favors nvidia but this 9070xt is doing a great job running it

[worthy meteor]

Don't become that one millionaire that keeps doing experiments on their own body

[slate fractal]

youd get brainfreeze with that good cooling

[grand kernel]

although some of it might be the 9800x3d doing the heavy lifting

[slate fractal]

so just air cool it itll be fine

[pseudo raven]

league of legends

90 fps

9070xt

[fresh timber]

mhh

small chance my 9070xt being a 3.5slot card is too big

[grand kernel]

no, it's a far worse game than league of legends

also, surprisingly i am gpu limited

i didn't expect to be gpu limited

[worthy meteor]

The 4090 destroyer game

[pseudo raven]

yeah no im telling you my experience

but that is fully a riot problem

[grand kernel]

i haven't installed league on this so idk how it runs

[pseudo raven]

i lined up at the tustin microcenter

[fresh timber]

valorant is going UE5 and they are claiming more fps

[rancid juniper]

PC gamers after looking at hell is us game:

[pseudo raven]

at 6am the day of

to get one

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[lone mango]

Real like kek

[fresh timber]

fortnite runs ue5 just fine so they prob are claiming the truth, valorant has to run on potatos

[grand kernel]

what is valorant even running on right now

unity?

[fresh timber]

ue4

[rancid juniper]

I swear this game engine so ass

[pseudo raven]

valorant devs try to do ANYTHING but add new skins challenge

[slate fractal]

wait we can say ass

[grand kernel]

i think this game runs on ue3 💀

[fresh timber]

i suspect my 13600kf+9070xt will run 600fps on fortnite its ue5

[rancid juniper]

Always have been

[fresh timber]

ue5 is ass frfr 600fps is so bad

[pseudo raven]

how dead is this game lol

[grand kernel]

oh yeah

i went positive k/d in a val game for the first time

[slate fractal]

ass

[grand kernel]

while duoing with a friend in imm3

💀

[fresh timber]

does rdna4 suffer in dx11 titles

[pseudo raven]

insane

[grand kernel]

not the friendliest new player experience but i did it

[slate fractal]

247,000,000

[fresh timber]

im tired of having to use dx12 on fortnite

[worthy meteor]

I've only ever played like 3 games of valorant and went negative every game

[pseudo raven]

im getting back into soloq

[grand kernel]

when my usual scoreline is something like 1/6

ive probably played like 15 games

[rancid juniper]

Y'all still play ring 0 the videogame?

[grand kernel]

no

[rancid juniper]

Ok

[lone mango]

Not sure but you may get a lower average compared to 12 like last gen

Best thing is to try it out

[grand kernel]

friend invites me occasionally and i accept occasionally but i'd never go play it on my own

[fresh timber]

i dont have a gpu to compare 9070xt to sad

[grand kernel]

so ive played like 15 games since it came out lol

[lone mango]

I would take less fps over more unstable but higher fps

[rancid juniper]

Riot
Always
Watches

[grand kernel]

9070xt is destroying my 4080 rn in this game, but i think that's just cpu difference tbh

[fresh timber]

any forntite benchmarks comparing 9070xt vs 7900xtx in fortntite dx12 and performance mode

[lone mango]

Or unless you want to cap the frame rate on 12

Perhaps that can help

[fresh timber]

plug 9070xt into intel build before u sell it

[grand kernel]

this 9800x3d is just too strong

don't wanna

i'd have to deal with finding the 8-pin pcie cables for it

[pseudo raven]

there was one 9800x3d when i went in

it was tempting but

[worthy meteor]

I remember downloading valorant when it came out and the antichrist blocking MSI afterburner from opening smh

[grand kernel]

and undoing all that cable management

[pseudo raven]

500 dollars for a cpu is insanity

[fresh timber]

2nd psu

[grand kernel]

i have a native 12vhpwr cable managed into there

[fresh timber]

12vhpwr to 3x8pin adapter

[rancid juniper]

Highfailure cable

[grand kernel]

i got a really nice deal on this 9800x3d

[pseudo raven]

ill ride the 5600x out

for another gen

[grand kernel]

helped ease the pain of paying 700 for 9070xt

[pseudo raven]

ouch

got mine for 599

[grand kernel]

it's a white one...

[pseudo raven]

😎

[grand kernel]

copium

[pseudo raven]

i think the asrock was actually white at 599

[grand kernel]

$530 shipped for brand new 9800x3d, brand new 32gb 6400c30 hynix a-die, gently used wd sn770 2tb

[pseudo raven]

ah not bad

[fresh timber]

this is the first motherboard i owned for intel and it ran dual gpu

[pseudo raven]

theres been a lot of tempting bundles but

again i play league of legends

[grand kernel]

i finished cyberpunk but i guess i'm gonna play the DLC on this new pc

[pseudo raven]

spent money on new iems instead

[grand kernel]

9070xt does alright at path tracing

[pseudo raven]

-350

[fresh timber]

just turn pathtracing off

its useless

gimmick

[grand kernel]

im using these iems until they die

forgot how long ago i got them

but for $520 i intend to get my money's worth

[pseudo raven]

oh damn

what do you have

[grand kernel]

moondrop variations

[pseudo raven]

ah

[grand kernel]

replaced the tips with spinfit cp155

so i guess $532

[pseudo raven]

i got the xenn tea pros

doubt you know what those are though

[grand kernel]

picked up a used fiio k5 pro off hws for 100

[pseudo raven]

yeah i got a dc04 pro off avexchange for 30

[grand kernel]

you're right, i don't know what that is

[lone mango]

Looks like no matter what there will be stutter

[grand kernel]

i enjoy decent audio but i'm not deep into the hobby i just get a recommendation and use it until it dies lol

[fresh timber]

sad

[pseudo raven]

yeah same

[lone mango]

I guess set a cap to your monitor refresh rate

[pseudo raven]

i was happy with my galaxy buds 3pro

[fresh timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bG7LBq somebody stop me from spending the remanded of my graduation money on this

[pseudo raven]

but got sick of the lag

so i found something with a similar sound

[grand kernel]

wired is still better

[fresh timber]

zen 6 be good please

i want a upgrade

[grand kernel]

hopefully zen 6 has a new I/O die

[pseudo raven]

soundwise my buds 3 pro are still surprisingly good and they were 70

but these are definitely better

[lone mango]

Should

At least we for sure know about memory controller changes

[grand kernel]

definitely feels like this old I/O die is holding zen 5 back a bit

[fresh timber]

i just want a non x3d cpu that is a good upgrade

my 13600kf still beats 7700x sometimes

and 9700x

[pseudo raven]

i think ill get a used 9800x3d

off someone

thatll be my next upgrade

[lone mango]

Yeah kinda brutal

[grand kernel]

lol, take mine i'll grab a 10800x3d

[lone mango]

I mean any chip really

[pseudo raven]

youre joking right

hah

[fresh timber]

amd.. how do i still beat u

[lone mango]

I wonder how much zen 4 would benefit from one

[fresh timber]

ur two gens above me

[grand kernel]

maybe, maybe not

[fresh timber]

how

[pseudo raven]

im having a hard time justifying upgrading from this 5600x already

[fresh timber]

only thing zen 5 got aginst me is better single core performance

[grand kernel]

now compare the power draw

[pseudo raven]

9070xt was easy to justify because i sold my 3070 for 300

[grand kernel]

💀

[fresh timber]

sphhh i dont pay the bill

[lone mango]

0.9% is nothing thats basically the same. but the ecores help with synthetic tests like that

[grand kernel]

my 13700K wants more than 500w at stock but i can't cool that much lol

[pseudo raven]

well yeah turn on pbo on 9700x

and watch it go

[fresh timber]

my cpu is tuned to use 140w max and maintain performance

[grand kernel]

i'm using pbo +200 fmax on this 9800x3d

[lone mango]

The e cores are smaller but at the end of the day they are still cores that can do work when told to

[grand kernel]

chilling at 155w

[fresh timber]

ill just unlock my pl then

[pseudo raven]

its definitely beating you still but

yeah

[fresh timber]

u think so?

[grand kernel]

getting 5425mhz all core in cpu heavy game at only 88w

it's pretty nice

[fresh timber]

PBO is a oc. so ill oc as well

how does 5.6ghz sound

[lone mango]

9600x +200 with no increase in power draw

[pseudo raven]

because all the stock 9x chips have a lot of headroom yeah

[fresh timber]

i still consider sellin my main pc and remaking it

[grand kernel]

+200 definitely came with a massive increase in power draw for this 9800x3d

[fresh timber]

but im lazy

[pseudo raven]

reason why they were so "disappointing" at first

[lone mango]

Yeah I wonder why amd held back

[pseudo raven]

yeah they make some interesting decisions from time to time

[grand kernel]

i think the existence of x3d chips just makes any non x3d chips uninteresting to gamers

[pseudo raven]

i can count on zero hands

the number of gamers

[grand kernel]

5800x3d vs 7700x lol

[pseudo raven]

that care about power draw on a desktop chip

[grand kernel]

7800x3d vs 9700x lol

[lone mango]

But after some cope zen 5 does seem to be better now

[lone mango]

I think it still beats it

Even after the cope

[grand kernel]

probably

the point is

[pseudo raven]

is it even going to be called the 10800x3d

[grand kernel]

if they do any new gen release with no x3d chip

the general consensus among gamers is "i'll skip it and wait for the x3d"

[lone mango]

I just find it interesting because they completely redesigned the cache and data delivery

[pseudo raven]

kinda reminds me of

[fresh timber]

damn does pcpp not have a filter for gen5 16 x slots

[lone mango]

They physically shrunk l3 cache and used that space to work on l1 and i think l2 as well

l1 and 2 have double the bandwidth

And I think a size increase as well

So you would expect it to perform better and it did when it first came out

[grand kernel]

i wonder how much the IOD/IF are actually bottlenecking the performance of zen 5

[worthy meteor]

Although I really think the silent majority of gamers are still chasing <$300 new chips where you can't get x3d

[lone mango]

Watch this be the case

[grand kernel]

upgrade an old am4 board with 5800x3d or 5700x3d

[fresh timber]

i wish they still made 5800x3d and priced 5700x3d at like $200

id sell my main rig and put a 5800x3d in my 2nd rig

[pseudo raven]

feels stupid to upgrade from 5600xto 5800x3d

[worthy meteor]

5800x3d is still like 350 new lol

[fresh timber]

too damn much

i can get 7800x3d for that

[pseudo raven]

when i can get an am5 bundle for like 70 more

[grand kernel]

have you ever done fclk tuning?

[worthy meteor]

We'd say go used but I think we all know how many people only want to do new

[fresh timber]

they are stupid

[grand kernel]

it's almost alarming how linearly memory performance scales with fclk

[lone mango]

I dont remember probably but I kept everything the same and did 6000 buildzoid timings

[grand kernel]

2/3 "sync" logically should have huge latency benefit in gaming, but gets completely overriden if you can just run fclk higher

[lone mango]

But yeah they completely redesigned the front end for zen 5

[grand kernel]

suggests to me that fclk is indeed a heavy bottleneck

[lone mango]

l1 size increased and l2 + l1 bandwidth doubled

Why would this not be a gaming perf increase

[fresh timber]

imagine cpus with two rams on the system, 4gb of quick fast ram soldred next to the cpu socket, and then the rest is normal ram

[lone mango]

One of my friends is like this even though almost everything used is just fine

Idk why

[lone mango]

Some laptops already have this

But unified memory would the the way if you were to go that route

[fresh timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CmVp4p if i remade my pc

i love me my overriced cases but they so sexy

[lone mango]

Waiting for camm2

[dusk knot]

Hm

[lone mango]

Will camm2 be the standard

[dusk knot]

Overpriced case?

Nah

[fresh timber]

i love the y40

[lone mango]

Will camm2 make unified memory even less common perhaps

[fresh timber]

i wo uld rebuilt in the nv5 but its price went up

or o11

unironcily if i sold the 13600kf and 7700xt i could prob break even with that new build

[lone mango]

I think the io die is holding it back

Complete cache and data pipeline overhaul

[fresh timber]

Unlimited pcie

[mental yoke]

10k monito

[fresh timber]

I’m downloading starfield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbBQeYWhv8

damn both cards kinda suck

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-pepe-pepe-the-frog-frog-triggered-gif-6510851310649639069

https://tenor.com/view/angry-pepe-pepe-the-frog-frog-triggered-gif-6510851310649639069

[rigid sinew]

u missed your opportunity

[fresh timber]

When is naht going to build a pc

Naht pc building stream in server when

[rigid sinew]

when i get rich

[fresh timber]

You work at egg, you rich

You make 1000000% more than me in a second

[rigid sinew]

trust i do not

[fresh timber]

Correct cause 1000000% more than 0, is 0

[tranquil pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/vignesh123-vigneshfisrtgif-yoda123-yodamars-gif-3921821958953538672

couldnt find one that said not, and too lazy to edit

[remote geode]

i probably could've bought a 3070 with the money I bought a B580

but no regrets

[rigid sinew]

edit it RN

[fresh timber]

i dont need it

i dont need it

everyone lets chip in and get nahjt a pc

[rigid sinew]

ill get one soon... probably before the end of the year

[fresh timber]

ooo

pog

[gloomy berry]

Hello guys, just a quick question, how much should I get ,if I want to build just a simple startup pc ,even if it involves buying used parts ??

[hoary zodiac]

Depends on a lot of things

What do you do on the pc exactly?

What country are you located in?

Budget?

[grand kernel]

ok i think path tracing is still the way to go in cyberpunk on this 9070xt

it just looks too much better to give up on

performance is pretty good with fsr3 quality, getting around 120 fps

looks perfect when not moving much, fsr3 is definitely noticeably inferior to dlss when moving though

still, it's not bad

[hoary zodiac]

How does it compare to a 4080 I wonder

[fresh timber]

Use optiscaler to run fsr4

[grand kernel]

I got pretty identical fps with 13700k + 4080

[hoary zodiac]

Really?

[grand kernel]

path tracing, dlss quality, frame gen

but image quality was higher

[hoary zodiac]

Hmm

[grand kernel]

they look about the same when standing still but FSR3 looks a little fuzzy when moving

[hoary zodiac]

So would it be more on par with a 4070ti

[grand kernel]

well

[lone mango]

Trash

[grand kernel]

I'm not sure how to get the image quality to match nvidia

[tranquil pebble]

not my pic, but lol

[lone mango]

Dlss 4 override

[hoary zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/hans-flammenwerfer-get-ze-gif-15834368

[lone mango]

Fsr 4 sorry

[grand kernel]

i was under the impression that this means i'm already using fsr4?

[fresh timber]

No it should say active think

I just use optiscaler and forget

[lone mango]

I dont think for cyberpunk because everyone uses optiscaler

[grand kernel]

if i only use this with cyberpunk, it shouldn't interfere with any online games right?

[lone mango]

Yeah I think its a per game thing

Thats what it seems like

[fresh timber]

It’s a per game thing

You put it into the game files

[grand kernel]

i just wasn't sure if it's like a software that'll try to apply it to everything

but yeah i see now

[fresh timber]

Yeah it’s safe just use it in single player

[lone mango]

The games I play dont even have fsr 3

[fresh timber]

I like to take over dlss and turn it into fsr4 for no reason

[lone mango]

But to me thats a dub because no upscaling

native 1440p

[worn wave]

"native" (taa is still forced on)

[lone mango]

I dont play with taa because I dont play aaa

[worn wave]

chad move tbh

[grand kernel]

wait so do you use optiscaler for FSR4 or can you use it to run DLSS on radeon?

[hoary zodiac]

Meanwhile:

[safe cape]

nice build 😎

[hoary zodiac]

igpu gaming

[grand kernel]

thank you

[fresh timber]

It turns dlss, fsr, xess into what ever you see it to from what I see

[hoary zodiac]

Is war thunder AAA?

Oh wait

I also run that on the igpu nvm

[safe cape]

maplestory on the miniscreen

[hoary zodiac]

I should find a game that's worth running on my dgpu

[grand kernel]

uhhh opened the optiscaler overlay and graphics driver immediately crashed lol

[fresh timber]

Lmfaoooo

[hoary zodiac]

Thing just sits there 90% of the time doing nothing

[fresh timber]

Your a quick learner

[lone mango]

Deep rock galactic

[hoary zodiac]

No friends in the same timezone

[safe cape]

??

[lone mango]

Public queue is not bad in that game

But solo is fun too

Its different

You can alternate between solo and public

[hoary zodiac]

Maybe I can run this on the igpu too lmaoooo

Would be pushing it

[lone mango]

Yeah it wont be the best

[safe cape]

wich one ?

[hoary zodiac]

Technically it can run on a

[safe cape]

hd 4600 ?

[hoary zodiac]

What's it called again

680M?

Not my igpu tho

[safe cape]

not bad

can run games

[hoary zodiac]

What games do you play

That's more graphically intensive

[lone mango]

drg, nms, warframe

rdr2

[hoary zodiac]

I just thought of FONV

Only to remember

[lone mango]

ghostrunner

[hoary zodiac]

I can also run that on the igpu

[safe cape]

close to a gtx 1650

not bad

[hoary zodiac]

Should I run battlefield 1 on the igpu?

[safe cape]

680m ?

[hoary zodiac]

No

[safe cape]

wich igpu ?

[hoary zodiac]

Zen 3 Vega 8

[lone mango]

Doesnt it have a vega igpu

[fresh timber]

is it cheaper to buy a https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5700X3D-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0CQ4H4H7X if u already have a b550, asking for a friend, or can u get am5 realsiticly for the same

nvm he wants am5

[hoary zodiac]

What b550

[fresh timber]

asus tuff

[hoary zodiac]

Which

[fresh timber]

he wants am5 anyways

[hoary zodiac]

Generally speaking the tufs' vrms aren't dogcrap so

Should be able to handle it

[fresh timber]

yeah my z790 vrms are amazing

[hoary zodiac]

Different board

[fresh timber]

he wants a new platform anyways

pretty sure he has thtis one anyways

[hoary zodiac]

That's a Z490

Not a B550

[fresh timber]

incorrect

[safe cape]

lol

[fresh timber]

wait

is google stupid

[safe cape]

war thunder was running good in my vega 7

[hoary zodiac]

🤡

[lone mango]

Brother that is an lga socket

[fresh timber]

am i tritpping, that says b550

[lone mango]

Thank you google

[fresh timber]

its this one

[grand kernel]

hmm, no fsr4 option in optiscaler

[fresh timber]

yes their is

[grand kernel]

couldn't find the dll it says to copy over from system32

[fresh timber]

your not looking hard enough