general-chat

[dense locust]

bot prob

[elfin mural]

i bought my laptop before nvidia went crazy

should be a sticker lmao

[rancid juniper]

worst (realistic) case scenario

[elfin mural]

i shouldn't be surprised that nvidia could stoop this low

but here i am

im baffled

[rancid juniper]

year aint over yet

[elfin mural]

yeah it's gonna get lower

[rancid juniper]

RTX 5050 here we COME

[elfin mural]

watch the 5050 LOL

[rancid juniper]

4gb 32bit bus gpu

[elfin mural]

50% chance of missing ROPs

rtx 50/50

[rancid juniper]

"Faster than the 4060ti"

WITH MFG 4X!!!

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[elfin mural]

latency go brr

who cares about response time

[lone mango]

Exactly

On laptops with 60hz screens

Who cares

[dense locust]

if nvidia gets sued for monopoly practices i think its pretty easy for them to lose

[lone mango]

$1000 laptop 60hz

[dense locust]

hey maybe theyll be forced to open source cuda

[rancid juniper]

having latency issues? Just get good bro

-Nvidia

[dense locust]

i can dream right

[rancid juniper]

that dream is a wild one

[nocturne flicker]

Million dollar dinner

[lone mango]

This is how rocm goes big

[elfin mural]

them oled laptops with 45w xx50 class dgpu

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

$1400 RTX 5050 laptop (ROPs complete edition)

[dense locust]

google also tried but look at them they lost twice

i can hope

[elfin mural]

my 4050 laptop costed 1200 at launch

[rancid juniper]

wow

[elfin mural]

[rancid juniper]

im close

lmfao

[elfin mural]

yeah lol

[nocturne flicker]

That's because everyone hated Google

[dense locust]

how much ram does the 4050 have

6 GB

lord

[nocturne flicker]

Lets just say the AI bros have a lot of connections that Google doesn't have anymore

[lone mango]

Wait till google and other companies make their own ai solutions

Then what

Jensen with his massive ego cries to gamers?

[nocturne flicker]

Then Google will still be dependent on Nvidia and everybody still hates them. Except more

[hoary zodiac]

Jensen will ask you to say the number 79 in french

[elfin mural]

good thing i rarely play AAA titles

[dense locust]

do we know how much gddr7 costs

[elfin mural]

or ubisoft's AAAA

[nocturne flicker]

1

[lone mango]

Not yet

[lone mango]

That doesnt make sense

[rancid juniper]

guess that makes GTA 6 AAAAA

[elfin mural]

he will come back crawling and begging on his knees

[dense locust]

i can assume its not the price nvidia is charging for it

[elfin mural]

"please gamers, buy this"

[dense locust]

8gb gddr6 $100
8gb gddr7 $50

makes sense nvidia

[lone mango]

I am waiting for them to make their own in house solutions for ai like how they do with their arm cpus and jensen loses it

[elfin mural]

similar case shown with amd

[rancid juniper]

i really wish people would band together and stop this foolishness atleast once, would've been cool but this is reality

will

never

happen

[elfin mural]

well

we have been gaslit into consuming products

the days of sensible buying are long gone

[dense locust]

complain about something online
still buy it

im a gamer

[rancid juniper]

consumerism is way too high

its sad

[rancid juniper]

😭

[nocturne flicker]

The anti-AI crowd will hate them for going even more AI, the AI bros I'm talking about already don't like Google when they aren't a direct competitor, tribalistic ding dongs on various forums will be fighting over which company's AI is better

[lone mango]

Yeah its like guys im gonna get arc look at that price

[elfin mural]

how to get rich in 2025

[lone mango]

Then nobody gets arc

[elfin mural]

gaslight your customers

[dense locust]

if cost keeps rising faster than wages there will be a time of a crash

[lone mango]

Arc between 0-1% market share

[dense locust]

isnt arc still sold out everwhere

[rancid juniper]

Ai measuring contest is CRAZY

[dense locust]

well b580 at least

the other one isnt selling as much

[lone mango]

Probably because low volume

[sinful blade]

The only ai I use is ChatGPT for the ability to ask questions and get answers that have sources I can actually delve into.

[nocturne flicker]

Don't worry. Funni number go up

[elfin mural]

whose chips has the most TOPS

literally funny number measuring contest

[nocturne flicker]

The housing market will never go down

[rancid juniper]

i have more TOPS than u

no

I do

🗿

[elfin mural]

at least i have all ROPs

[hoary zodiac]

mfw 12vhpwr

[dense locust]

nvidia has ROPS TOPS but no flops

[proud jackal]

[elfin mural]

copilot is now universal instead of being limited behind bs limitations

what even is TOPs and how it's measured anyway

[nocturne flicker]

Copilot should crash the plane

[elfin mural]

[lone mango]

I think its trillion operations per second

[elfin mural]

ye

[dense locust]

copilot? which one?

[lone mango]

Yeah or tera operations per second

[elfin mural]

the windows one

[lone mango]

Ok so thats why jensen said tera ops

[elfin mural]

problem is do we need to like

[lone mango]

He stuttered too

He was like yeah this has ter tera.. tera ops

[elfin mural]

have an npu for an ai service that runs on the cloud

[lone mango]

Then walks around

[elfin mural]

obviously no

[lone mango]

[dense locust]

which one?

[nocturne flicker]

Mmm

TOPs

[elfin mural]

lmao

[nocturne flicker]

Google knows I'm fat

[elfin mural]

my laptop has no npu but it runs chatgpt

the servers already handle the ai anyway

[lone mango]

Its never good enough for any corpo

Or the government

They always need more

Jays video on all of this is pretty good

[elfin mural]

too bad that concept isn't applied to nvidia's drivers

[proud jackal]

Btw new Nvidia drivers are out

[dense locust]

do they fix everything?

[proud jackal]

Yeah sure why not

[lone mango]

Mmm I love the slop served at the canteen

[elfin mural]

they fix stuff but

gsync was never fixed for me

i like nvidia, or used to

recent drivers have been very disappointing

[lone mango]

Broooooo

This is CRAZY

Using malcolm the thermal engineer as leverage against gn

Dude that is ridiculous

[rancid juniper]

huh?

[lone mango]

Because they know gn doesnt care about the cards, like if they get blacklisted or something, so we will stop him from talking to malcolm and other people that gn and his audience likes

[lone mango]

https://youtu.be/AiekGcwaIho

[rancid juniper]

oh i seen some parts of that video

[lone mango]

https://youtu.be/a_CuOTK-XiY

Bro this is nutty

[rancid juniper]

...

[lone mango]

Yeah there it is

[fresh timber]

Sooo decide by 4

[dense locust]

Nvidia defenders be like: nvidia isn’t obligated to have these engineers talk

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/reeyarn-ballin-cell-gif-21096101

[fair onyx]

Any body happen to know of a 4x bifurcation riser for PCIE gen 5?

I'm trying to split @ 16x gen 5 into 4 4x gen 5

[lavish stag]

Yo helping out a friend's friend

Thoughts

[hoary zodiac]

specs? budget?

oh nvm

thought he's looking for an upgrade

[lavish stag]

Nah

[lone mango]

I dont even understand the issue

[hoary zodiac]

ok so

[lavish stag]

Apparently he reinstalled all those apps where he had a loading issue

[hoary zodiac]

windows

that's usually the culprit

[lone mango]

Yeah

[lavish stag]

He reinstalled it...

[hoary zodiac]

did he reinstall it or did he reset it

[lavish stag]

Ill double check

[hoary zodiac]

performance wise

the only thing this can impact is airflow

[lavish stag]

Yes

Yea

[fair onyx]

@pliant berry sorry to ping, but you usually know the stuff. Do you know anywhere I could buy a four split PCIe bifurcation riser for Gen 5?

[hoary zodiac]

it looks like there's a b450m pro 4

the vrms aren't ideal for an x3d

but that shouldn't be causing the issues

[lavish stag]

More likely software right?

[hoary zodiac]

most likely windows

it's always windows

[lavish stag]

Im gonna ask him what version hes running later

haha

[hoary zodiac]

my guess is

he reset the pc

instead of reinstalling it

[worthy meteor]

The usual dism and sfc time

[sinful blade]

How would I use $400 to upgrade wife’s pc for oblivion?

ignore the gpu, she’s using my 5700xt.

Also ignore the PSU

You know what

Hold

[hoary zodiac]

specs?

[lone mango]

Looks like its only gen 4 I see and they only have two slots instead of 4

[sinful blade]

@hoary zodiac

[fair onyx]

Hmmm... I wonder if I could maybe Daisy chain multiple of those? I'm honestly not sure

I'm really trying to split one slot into three or four if possible

[lone mango]

Then the one being daisychained will have less bandwidth

[fair onyx]

That should be fine actually. I don't think that would be a huge deal. I'll have to think about it more

[lone mango]

So you will have one 4 x8 then two hooked up to the other x8

[sinful blade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nhRMgn

[north crescent]

Remastered, or old with mods?

[fair onyx]

I might be able to use my old PC instead

[sinful blade]

Remastered

[hoary zodiac]

Alright hold up

$400 you say

[fair onyx]

So 2x 8x gen 4 and 2x 4x gen 4. Honestly, still sounds more than enough for what I need

[sinful blade]

Up to $600 if needed

[fair onyx]

Unfortunate that it's not Gen 5, but beggars can't be choosers lol

[hoary zodiac]

Oh yikes that motherboard

Ehhh

[sinful blade]

It’s bad I know

[lone mango]

Well it would only be 3 because the second is plugged into the first one

[sinful blade]

But I can give her my b550m-k then

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah might as well go for an entire platform upgrade

[hoary zodiac]

Or that

Wait

Isn't that asus prime?

[worthy meteor]

does oblivion remastered really care about CPU though

[sinful blade]

No

[fair onyx]

Ohhhh, right

[sinful blade]

Gigabyte

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah not that either

Vrms

[worthy meteor]

afaik it's just really GPU heavy still

[sinful blade]

Man

Her system just sucks lmao

[hoary zodiac]

The motherboard limits you to R5s

Which well

🤷‍♂️

Not worth upgrading to AM4

[fair onyx]

Ok, I think I get it now@lone mango

[hoary zodiac]

Hmm

[lone mango]

For like 400 couldnt you go am5

[lavish stag]

Average lenovo hinge, waiting for my return. Anyone else experience this?

[hoary zodiac]

Does she need a new ssd?

[lone mango]

Yeah then to have 4, one will have even less

[sinful blade]

Nope

It’s at 100% health

[north crescent]

I mean it could be fine if the next upgrade is going to be in 5 years where it'd be better to upgrade to am5 or whatever

[sinful blade]

#electronics would be best to ask

[sinful blade]

I can upgrade her in another 8 weeks

[hoary zodiac]

gonna look for bundles

[north crescent]

If you do plan to upgrade CPU anytime soon™️, maybe dont go for super cheap mobo

Just go for kinda super cheap mobo

[fair onyx]

Gotcha. 3 is actually fine. I am trying to have a 3090 with 2 of the new Arc Pro GPU's

[sinful blade]

I know her cpu is gonna bottleneck just about anything

[fair onyx]

That would allow me to have 120GB VRAM

[lone mango]

Oh ok

[fair onyx]

which would be insane, and a lotttt less than the $3000+ for the DGX spark I was gonna get, and likely much faster too

[hoary zodiac]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-9600x-ryzen-5-9000-series-granite-ridge-socket-am5-processor/p/N82E16819113844

[north crescent]

Im assuming you're buying used based off those prices, cant really recommand much cuz idk used markets of US

[hoary zodiac]

free ram?

CL38

bruh

I mean free is free

[sinful blade]

@fair onyx if you ever just wanna get rid of a gpu

[lone mango]

Well it is $75 ddr5

[fair onyx]

so technically, on paper, it would be 5x GPU's with 120GB VRAM

[hoary zodiac]

free ram

wait

the hell

it's not even 2x16

no wonder it's free

[fair onyx]

I need to do more research into how much support ARC has for text generation frameworks like LCPP first though

I could have the 3090 on Gen 4x 8, and the 2 arc pro GPU's on 4x gen 4, which should still be more than fast enough, cause thats the equivalent to gen 3 x8

[north crescent]

2x8, half bank groups lol

[lavish stag]

He reinstalled windows

Any ideas?

[worn wave]

Love how sytan just pops in here every once in a while wanting more vram lol

[hoary zodiac]

how did he reinstall windows

[fair onyx]

Thats the grind lmao

i am just trying to figure out best how to do it. The new intel arc pro cards seem to be a phenomenal option

[worn wave]

They really do

[hoary zodiac]

isn't there a prototype

with dual gpu

and a stupid amount of vram

[fair onyx]

48GB VRAM for $800 is insannneeee

[fair onyx]

Thats the one I am after

[hoary zodiac]

lol

[fair onyx]

its 2x 24GB B580's on one card

[north crescent]

Just get that like 8yr old AMD card that has a 1TB SSD for VRAM

[lone mango]

Ok this is cool
https://youtu.be/n5M8fWLK6bI

[fair onyx]

so if I get 2, I would have 4x 24GB B580's with a 24GB 3090 for gaming, all together they can pool into 120GB VRAM for AI workloads

[hoary zodiac]

wegg bundles don't look that good eh?

I mean to be fair

free ram is free ram

can always upgrade later

[fair onyx]

that would be unusable for anything now 😅

[lone mango]

The monster hunter one was really good

208 with monster hunter and 500 gig ssd

[north crescent]

Well, like $10 RAM cuz 7600 is $10 cheaper and effectively same perf

[hoary zodiac]

oh yeah you can just get a single stick

[north crescent]

Shhhhhh, we dont think about those bad thoughts

[hoary zodiac]

do we need a cooler

feels like we don't

[fair onyx]

I could get the 2x 48GB arc pros for ~$1700, which is still basically half of a DGX spark, and that would lead to 120GB VRAM, with 64GB System mem for a total pool of 180GB memory for bigger models, and then I could get another 64GB RAM so I could have a total of 244GB memory for much less than the $3000 DGX, and it would likely be much faster

[north crescent]

I assumed based off prices you're getting used? May not come with cooler

[hoary zodiac]

is the 7600 comfy with the stock cooler?

[fair onyx]

however, the DGX spark would be a lot more seamless, a lot more reliable, and a hell of a lot more power efficient lol

[hoary zodiac]

nah new

he's got all the other parts

[fair onyx]

but I am trying to get my PC on Solar, at which point the efficiency doesn't really matter

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LPbGDj
@sinful blade thoughts?

[fresh timber]

Why not go Threadripper

[north crescent]

I'd go for cheap Ali tray CPU

[fair onyx]

realllyyyyy slow

[fresh timber]

Slow?

[hoary zodiac]

you guys get ali again?

ok

[north crescent]

7500F I think it is?

[fresh timber]

Bro called a Threadripper slow

[fair onyx]

horrifically slow for AI

[hoary zodiac]

it is slow

for what he's doing

[north crescent]

Oh wait

Tarrif

[hoary zodiac]

yeah

[north crescent]

I forgor

[fresh timber]

You need all the gpus tho

[hoary zodiac]

sadge

[fresh timber]

It gives pcie

[fair onyx]

Like... even a 96 core threadripper would probably be slower than a 3050 for AI lmao

[fair onyx]

ahhh, I see

[fresh timber]

No you don’t understand

[hoary zodiac]

I don't think you need all those pcie lanes

[fresh timber]

Pcie lanes

[north crescent]

Im not in US and dont get tarrifs, so dont really remember about it

[fresh timber]

No need for jank splitters

[hoary zodiac]

have you seen how many lanes a modern consumer system has

you don't need that many lanes

[fresh timber]

Not enough

[hoary zodiac]

you don't have to run them at gen 5

[fresh timber]

Boomer, he’s trying to run three gpus

[hoary zodiac]

that's way more than enough

[fair onyx]

no I get it now. I wouldn't need threadripper for that. Even just normal AMD would give me a lot more PCIE than my 12600k has, but I am not looking to upgrade that right now, I am very happy with my 12600k

[fair onyx]

4 if I can lol

[fresh timber]

He wants to run 4

[hoary zodiac]

that's still way more than enough

[fresh timber]

That’s not enough lanes

[fair onyx]

if I could have my dream setup, it would be:

1x 3090 24GB
2x Arc pro 48GB cards
1x 16GB 3060ti
total of 136GB VRAM

but they don't need much bandwidth at all

[hoary zodiac]

what chipset do you have?

[fresh timber]

New arc is pcie gen 5 x16 split between two “gpus”

[fair onyx]

like... my current setup has my 3090 on 16x gen 5, and the 3060ti 16gb on 1x gen 3, and it works pretty fine lmao

[fresh timber]

Oh

[fair onyx]

so 4x gen 4 would be massively faster lmfao

text gen stuff doesn't need much bandwidth at all. I am not doing training or anything

[hoary zodiac]

it's like mining

you don't need the bandwidth

[fresh timber]

If your min maxing performance wouldn’t more lanes = better

[fair onyx]

Yeah, if I was training, i would

[hoary zodiac]

no

because they wouldn't use all the lanes

on average

[fair onyx]

after a certain point, it doesn't matter at all

[fresh timber]

I think the new arc needs the lanes just from how it’s designed

It’s just two gpus on one card

[fair onyx]

like I really think all they would need is 4x gen 3 to be fully sasiated

[hoary zodiac]

you got a z790 was it?

[fair onyx]

my understanding is its 2x B580's that show up individually, but they have a kinda NV link interconnect, which even if its 1/4th the speed of NV Link, its still faster than PCIE gen 5

[proud jackal]

I wish I had nice PC like all of you

[fresh timber]

As I understand it, well they told us. It requires bifercation of a 16x slot

[hoary zodiac]

that's 28+20 lanes

that's way more than enough

it's not like he's going to saturate all the bandwidth

[fresh timber]

You need to split a 16x slot into two 8x slots

[hoary zodiac]

the motherboard needs to support it

[fair onyx]

Oh hmm, maybe. I am not 100% sure. If thats the case, then I would be running it a bit slower than ideal, but it would still be just fine for text gen stuff

[fresh timber]

Yeah that’s why I’m concerned about the lanes due to the nature of the new card

[fair onyx]

all that matters for text gen is having everything in VRAM. The moment you throw in system mem, it drops by like 95% in speed

[fair onyx]

I think that would only affect it for super high bandwidth things like pooled video models, or large network training

[fresh timber]

All that vram won’t matter when the gpu decides not to show up cause you don’t have the lanes connected lmfao

[dense locust]

Intel didn’t say a price which is worrying

[hoary zodiac]

if the board supports bifurcation it's fine

[fair onyx]

the 48GB card is nearly confirmed to be $800

[fresh timber]

The arc gpu needs to give atleast 1 lane to gpu one, and 1 lane to gpu 2 is how I see it

[fair onyx]

the 24GB card is $500

[hoary zodiac]

the question is

is the gpu even going to saturate all those lanes

[fresh timber]

Will 3090 finally drop

[lone mango]

4090 vram $500

[fair onyx]

yeah, that makes sense. I guess it depends on if it does every other lane, or the first 8, then the second 8

[fresh timber]

I think it’s matter of how pcie even works

Can you even biffercate lanes like that

[hoary zodiac]

you can probably split the lanes off even more

[fair onyx]

maybe, which is great for gaming, but bad for AI. Only reason I wanna keep my 3090 is for gaming

[hoary zodiac]

like what?

[fresh timber]

Can the gpu even work right in the first place

[fair onyx]

I mean, hey guys, I will buy one and test lmao

[fresh timber]

It’s a test thing

[hoary zodiac]

yes it would

[fair onyx]

I am for sure in the market for at least 1 of the 48GB cards

[hoary zodiac]

it's been done on ssds for years

[fresh timber]

Intel says you need to biffercate a 16x a lot to x8 x8

[hoary zodiac]

they would show up as individual pcie devices

[fresh timber]

Ima assume that’s the only config that works cause they recommend it

[fair onyx]

which is totally cool for what I do

[fair onyx]

thats a fair assumption, and a very safe one

[hoary zodiac]

that's the dual gpu right?

[fresh timber]

That’s what Intel says the new card will do, show up separately

[fair onyx]

the 48GB one is dual, yeah

[hoary zodiac]

that is indeed how pcie bifurcation works

[fresh timber]

Yeah, and seeing nothing modern is like this.. we have no bases on if it even works with less lanes

[hoary zodiac]

well yes

it would work

[fresh timber]

How do you know

[fair onyx]

I will get one and put it on my 1x gen 3 just for the memes lmfao

[fresh timber]

What if the slot is wired for only 8 lanes, will both gpus show up

[hoary zodiac]

you can split it into 4+4+4+4

it just has less bandwidth

[fresh timber]

My theory is only gpu one will show up

[hoary zodiac]

no

that's not how pcie works

[fair onyx]

I get what vextro is worried about, and it makes sense

[fresh timber]

??

[fair onyx]

just a sec

[fresh timber]

No

Do u know how Intel wires the new cards

The first 8 lanes go to gpu 1, the next 8 go to gpu 2

[fair onyx]

this is what they are wondering. If each gpu needs at least 1 lane, and you only have 1, the second GPU won't be connected to a lane

[hoary zodiac]

source?

[fresh timber]

If he uses a 1x slot the first gpu should work but not the 2nd

[fair onyx]

and the question is if the first 8 lanes are for GPU1, and second 8 are for GPU2, or if every other lane staggers

Cause if it staggers, then even just 2 lanes should be just fine

[hoary zodiac]

are you talking about an official intel product

[fair onyx]

thats my guess as well

[hoary zodiac]

or the third party maxsun card

[lone mango]

It could be possible that they use the same spec

[fresh timber]

https://youtu.be/vZupIBqKHqM?si=JXadNsZInTiVn5zq they show the traces

[fresh timber]

According to the traces it looks like it’s not staggered

[lone mango]

But aibs can go crazy sometimes, maybe they can change it up

But probably has the same spec

[fair onyx]

if its staggered, it should work like this on a gen 4x4 connection

[hoary zodiac]

what card are you referring to?

[fair onyx]

but there is a good chance its NOT staggered

[fair onyx]

the maxsun one I guess?

I don't know enough about its production

[hoary zodiac]

it's not in the LTT video at all

[fair onyx]

But, the PCB is made by intel, so they would know how it works

[fresh timber]

Yeah

[fair onyx]

GN did a tear down of one, I haven't watched though cause I don't support GN

[fresh timber]

Intel does say 16x gen 5

I’m assuming the card only works in 16x

[hoary zodiac]

for what?

[fresh timber]

The dual gpu card

The important one

[hoary zodiac]

do they mean 16x or 8+8

[fair onyx]

I get what your assumption is @fresh timber

it makes sense, especially if its first 8 and second 8

[fair onyx]

you need a PCIE gen 5 x16 to bifurcate into 8x/8x

[fresh timber]

They want 16x with 8+8 bifurcated

so you can’t just put it in a 1x a lot

[hoary zodiac]

so they want 8+8

hold up

[fresh timber]

You share my brain

[fair onyx]

I do get the concern, but I am also not 100% sure how it would work, really

[hoary zodiac]

I'm not talking about putting it in an 1x slot

I'm talking about splitting it into 4x4x4x4

[fresh timber]

https://youtu.be/vZupIBqKHqM?si=OvVpNnAZkymis1e9 go to 5:38

They show how the traces are

[fair onyx]

ah yeah, ok then I would be a bit worried, yeah

I will figure it out in due time

[fresh timber]

Hope your fatherboard
supports 8x8

[fair onyx]

it doesn't 😅

[hoary zodiac]

we know for certain that 8x8 will definitely work

[fair onyx]

most don't 😭

yeah

[hoary zodiac]

what you can do is

[sinful blade]

She has a cooler, but looks good

[hoary zodiac]

just live with the 8x8

[fair onyx]

true, but my motherboard doesn't even support that

hmm

[hoary zodiac]

what motherboard is it?

[fresh timber]

Yeah

[hoary zodiac]

it's pretty strange

[fair onyx]

don't remember off the top of my head, but it flat out doesn't support it. Most intel boards don't

[fresh timber]

I don’t think many motherboards will let you use 4 lanes, skip some, then use 4 again

[fair onyx]

I have looked into it extensively

[fresh timber]

It’s always 8+4+4

Or 4+4+4+4

How will the gpu respond to half its lanes being treated as separate lanes

[fair onyx]

I look forward to answering these questions

[fresh timber]

Fr

[fair onyx]

assuming there is not some massive road block I do not see, I will be going this route instead of a DGX

[fresh timber]

Doesn’t seem like it will run in consumer systems well

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

[fresh timber]

This isn’t a consumer product anyways

[hoary zodiac]

if you're using the full 8+8 gen 5 lanes

not like you will physically have enough lanes to run more than a couple anyways

[fresh timber]

I’m guessing it doesn’t matter the generation, it just wants the lanes

[fair onyx]

yeah

[hoary zodiac]

you can run it on a consumer board

it just has to support bifurcation

[fair onyx]

hell, if I could split it from 16x gen 5 into 2x 16x gen 4, I'd be set lmao

[fresh timber]

It has to support 8+8 bifurcation

[hoary zodiac]

which is not impossible to find

on consumer boards

[fresh timber]

Do a jank, get 8lanes from one slot, another 8 to another and diy a riser

[fair onyx]

lmao

[fresh timber]

Omfg

Couldn’t you run dual pcs off this card

Lmfaooo

8 lanes from one pc, 8 from another

[fresh timber]

I just had an idea, sense half the video outputs are split, you could techncily use this in a virtual machine and have two dedicated gaming rigs off one gpu

Two gamers one “graphics card”

[hoary zodiac]

I know that most msi bios have the bifurcation option

finding out that which board supports however is more annoying

[fair onyx]

OMG haha, that would be cool

[hoary zodiac]

what motherboard do you have?

[fair onyx]

it doesn't matter, it doesn't support any bifurcation, period

none at all

[hoary zodiac]

how do you know that?

have you looked into bios?

[fair onyx]

I looked it up and went through the full manual and BIOS

[lone mango]

What about dual b580 24 gig for gaming

I am curious

[hoary zodiac]

worse than SLI and crossfire

games aren't optimized for it

[lone mango]

Nah I mean like the arc pro but with less vram

Oh wait

Are they recognized as two different gpus

[fresh timber]

Even my z790 has it

Damn

[hoary zodiac]

yeah which is why I asked

[fresh timber]

Even my b450 has it

Lmfao

[hoary zodiac]

most higher end motherboards offer bifurcation for storage expansion

even mid range motherboards do

I think my old B350 supported it?

I'm a bit hazy

might be my b450

then again

it could just be a copy paste bios

[fresh timber]

I hate the r5 5500

Laggy when windows boots

Disgusting

[hoary zodiac]

skill issue

[fresh timber]

I don’t think my z790 can do it

Not home to see 😦

[hoary zodiac]

what brand is it?

[fresh timber]

msi

[hoary zodiac]

you may be able to do x8x8

[fresh timber]

it littrely says i can

oh

ur asking about my z790 arnt u

[hoary zodiac]

yes

[fresh timber]

that asus

[hoary zodiac]

ok that's more dubious

[fresh timber]

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-z790-plus-wifi-d4/techspec/

[hoary zodiac]

asus isn't as generous with their bios

[fresh timber]

irrc its 8+4+4

[hoary zodiac]

surely that would imply that it supports x8x8 too

[fresh timber]

i kinda wanna get the dual arc

[fresh timber]

ehh

[hoary zodiac]

unless they want to paywall that behind rog

[fresh timber]

from what i see

alot of motherboards wont give u it

seen it in homelab videos

[hoary zodiac]

stingy?

just sounds like they want you to buy a more expensive board

[fresh timber]

yup

thats why they do it

im sure a bios modder could figure it out, but its not worth

o shoot

I CAN

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1700/TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4/E20581_TUF_GAMING_Z790-PLUS_WIFI_D4_UM_WEB_082622.pdf?model=TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4

[hoary zodiac]

that's generous of asus

oh wait

"additional pcie bifurcation are supported with a a hyper m.2"

literal paywall

[fresh timber]

ehh

its not a paywall its just a accessoriy

it can do 4+4+4+4 irrc i think i v seen it

[hoary zodiac]

the wording makes it sound like it's locked behind this specific card

[fresh timber]

or its 8+4+4+4

[hoary zodiac]

and not just any

[fresh timber]

my gpu is currently operating at 1/4th its expected bandwith right now lmfao

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

[fresh timber]

ima go give it all its lans back

this is cringe

[hoary zodiac]

is it going to saturate the bandwidth tho

[fresh timber]

maybe

its 1/4th its bandwith

[hoary zodiac]

there's no reason not to run it at x16 but still

[fresh timber]

even a rx6600 has slow downs going from gen 4 to gen 3

[hoary zodiac]

it's running at x8 no?

[fresh timber]

its 1/4th the bandwidh cause its gen 3 x 8

[lone mango]

Yall heard that amd might not focus on the 8 gig 9060 xt? Like they would phase out production or make less of them

[fresh timber]

this card uses gen 4 x 16

[hoary zodiac]

you have it in a gen 4 slot?

[lone mango]

Acer only has a 16 gig model

[fresh timber]

haha, no

b450 dont do gen 4

5500 also doesnt

[hoary zodiac]

oh

ok that would actually cause some issues

[fresh timber]

yup

1/4th bandwith

[hoary zodiac]

gen 4x8 is fine

but gen 3x8 is eh

[fresh timber]

not good

[hoary zodiac]

like it's not ideal but the 7700xt shouldn't saturate all 8 gen 4 lanes

[fresh timber]

ima go back to bios real quiclk

[hoary zodiac]

that would be extremely based

[fresh timber]

I wouldn’t focus on it either

[hoary zodiac]

they would literally get free marketing

from all the nvidia haters

[fresh timber]

Good

This gpu needs to be a upgrade for me at the right price

Rn my money is going to nothing

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

[lone mango]

If true then it seems like they made some 8 gig cards but then were like yeah this aint so good, then they phase it out

[hoary zodiac]

would it be an upgrade?

you're looking at a 60 card

one generation up

usually that's a net loss

[fresh timber]

I’m using a 70 card

The new 70 card beats me by a lot

[lone mango]

Oh yeah 9070

[hoary zodiac]

exactly

[lone mango]

9070 is huge

[hoary zodiac]

going from a 7700xt > 9060xt wouldn't get you much of an upgrade

[fresh timber]

why not

[lone mango]

Nah I think he meant 70 but its the timing

Nvm

[hoary zodiac]

you're going to a lower tier card one generation up

[fresh timber]

2nd gen

[lone mango]

9060 xt is gonna be 7700 xt perf

But one 8 pin connector

And fsr4

[hoary zodiac]

4090 performance

[lone mango]

And better rt ig

[fresh timber]

9070xt was xtx performance as a 70 class gpu

9060xt goin be 7900 gre

watch

[hoary zodiac]

nah

[lone mango]

Its gonna be a little faster than the 7700 xt I assume

[hoary zodiac]

that's way too close to the 9070XT

[fresh timber]

give me 40% improvamnt please amd

i just want my full 240 fps

[hoary zodiac]

AMD is not going to make a xx60 card 7900GRE perf

[lone mango]

But I dont think we have seen any benchmarks of the 60

[fresh timber]

i mean they made a 70 class gpu an xtx...

.. and a 70 class fastre in raytracing

[lone mango]

Yeah aint that creeping up on 9070 levels

[hoary zodiac]

that's marketing terms

[fresh timber]

u used them first

[lone mango]

Ok but remember that the 9070 xt is two 9060 xts

[fresh timber]

iv been struggling

how do u find the tech poweru p performance chart

i cant find it

[hoary zodiac]

I have it saved

[lone mango]

They assume its 106% of the 7700 xt

[hoary zodiac]

on my computer

[fresh timber]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gpu-test-system-update-for-2025/2.html

i found it

1440p, the normal people reso

and its out dated

nice

[lone mango]

Woah ok hold on

[hoary zodiac]

what's the 7700xt msrp again

[lone mango]

I think I looked at the wrong thing back then

[hoary zodiac]

yeah the 7700xt isn't in the same price category as the 9070xt

[lone mango]

Ok so I misread it

Or they changed the chart

[hoary zodiac]

what's the 9060xt's price going to be

[fresh timber]

u know how much i paid for mines. $450

[lone mango]

7800 xt is actually 106% of the 9060 xt according to their estimates

[hoary zodiac]

sus?

that sounds like crappy benchmarking

no way it's that bad

519

[lone mango]

I think its gonna be like 350-380 for the 16 gig card

[fresh timber]

$60 more than what i paid

😭

[hoary zodiac]

it's looking at $519

[lone mango]

Sorry 100 being the baseline

So basically 7800 xt

[hoary zodiac]

wdym 100

[lone mango]

Placeholders are always higher

[fresh timber]

9070xt beats the 5070 sometimes.. thats sad

[hoary zodiac]

oh so it's around 7800xt

yeah that's decent

for generational improvement

is it actually $380 tho

that would be a pretty good deal

[lone mango]

Maybe at micro center

[fresh timber]

does this look like a 9070xt to you guys

[lone mango]

Do I go there and buy it

[fresh timber]

i googleied benchmark

not a REVIEW

[hoary zodiac]

reviews have benchmark

[lone mango]

Maybe I go there and take pictures

[lone mango]

Correct

[hoary zodiac]

the techpowerups always do

[lone mango]

They do the all in one review package

Which is why its like 3000 pages

or like 11 or whatever

[hoary zodiac]

what is the point of a review

if there's no benchmarks

[lone mango]

Nvidia review

2030

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHHAHAH

[fresh timber]

yaya

[lone mango]

2030 nvidia

[fresh timber]

i found it

[hoary zodiac]

I want to pin that message so bad

[lone mango]

You have the licence to play on this card

Remotely disables it

[fresh timber]

my gpu is so slow im not even on that list

yaya

[hoary zodiac]

british gpu

[fresh timber]

even a 3090ti is faster

[hoary zodiac]

ofc it's faster it's a 3090ti

[lone mango]

When the 9060 hits 3.3ghz oob

[fresh timber]

EVEN a 5070 iS FASTER BY ALOT IM SO SAD

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

rich people problems

[fresh timber]

compared to my gpu

a 5070 can make the chart

[hoary zodiac]

yeah

it's current gen

that's why

[fresh timber]

theirs last gen on the chart too

[hoary zodiac]

yeah?

[fresh timber]

they went based on performance

[hoary zodiac]

those gpus are relevant

[fresh timber]

7700xt too slow to even make the list

[hoary zodiac]

based on performance

[fresh timber]

my card is slow

[hoary zodiac]

cope

[lone mango]

Then my 6700 xt should be ancient

But its not 🦾

[hoary zodiac]

bro is complaining about numbers on a high end gpu benchmark

[fresh timber]

yes

i strive for performance

[lone mango]

💰

[hoary zodiac]

your gpu isn't even in the same performance bracket

that's why

[fresh timber]

that means it sucks

[hoary zodiac]

it's not slow it's just not relevant for this benchmark

[fresh timber]

slow

if its not relevant its slow

[hoary zodiac]

ok buddy

[fresh timber]

look at the 3060, aged like milk

[hoary zodiac]

why are you complaining anyways

[lone mango]

3060 still going strong

[proud jackal]

Where 5090 on chary

Chart

[fresh timber]

being slow

[hoary zodiac]

ok

cool??

[fresh timber]

hitting 240fps is hard man

[lone mango]

Man rx 6800 is so much better

But way more expensive

My deal was just way better value

[fresh timber]

6800 is a 7700xt

the one game i can get 240 on

[hoary zodiac]

man I want a RTX 5090 instead of my Intel UHD 630

[fresh timber]

this is why games should optmise

[hoary zodiac]

if it's more optimized it'd look worse for the 7700xt btw

[fresh timber]

a mf a770 is a 4k gpu.. if devs wasnt lazy

[lone mango]

Wow 134 at 4k is pretty good

[hoary zodiac]

it scales for the other cards too

[lone mango]

Considering its mandatory rt

[fresh timber]

devs stop being lazy

:_

[hoary zodiac]

it's not devs being lazy

[lone mango]

Nah doom is pretty good considering mandatory rt

[fresh timber]

yes it is

[hoary zodiac]

it's the studios imposing stupid demands on them

[fresh timber]

devs being lazy

even forntite runs good

[lone mango]

I wonder how much better it would be if no rt

[hoary zodiac]

yes

[lone mango]

False

[hoary zodiac]

because it doesn't have an artifical time limit

set by the studio

[fresh timber]

i wish these benchmarks didnt have bum ahh games

show me real man game

fortnite, marvel rivals

[lone mango]

Dude

[hoary zodiac]

games get announced way before they're in any sort of shape to be released

[fresh timber]

fortnites a 2017 game

no excuse

ima shut pc down so i can redo setup

[hoary zodiac]

that doesn't change my point

the devs make the code yes

[fresh timber]

Make better code

[hoary zodiac]

but when your boss gives you a month to make half the game

[fresh timber]

Replace them with AI

[hoary zodiac]

it's not possible

for any studio

[fresh timber]

Yes it is, ai

Chat got works for cheaper

[hoary zodiac]

oh and how do you think that will turn out

[fresh timber]

Idk

We worry about profits now not later

[hoary zodiac]

you should be on the board for EA

[fresh timber]

I like some ea games

Ngl

I respect the hustle

[hoary zodiac]

this is the same kind of executive mindset that leads to slop games being released in the first place

[fresh timber]

I too would want to make as much as possible if I was in the receiving end of the money

[hoary zodiac]

devs don't get enough time to make the game, don't get enough resources, and are expected to make GTA V

[fresh timber]

Give them $5 billion or what ever gta6 cost

[hoary zodiac]

AAA studios penny pinch and crunch their employees

[lone mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwsv7Irr7M

[fresh timber]

Then we have mojang paying full salary’s to do nothing

[hoary zodiac]

yes

who do you think owns mojang

[fresh timber]

Microsoft

Duh

[hoary zodiac]

what do you think makes them more money

[fresh timber]

Microsoft’s other studios make video games

[hoary zodiac]

minecraft java edition

or bedrock store

[fresh timber]

Minecraft Java has been out longer and sold more

Due to it being older

[hoary zodiac]

that's irrelevant to microsoft

they only care about the money coming in

[fresh timber]

Bedrock makes money, but they waste money paying devs to do nothing

No logic

[lone mango]

Fortnite got some nutty frametimes

The unreal way

[hoary zodiac]

that's not entirely a dev issue either

[fresh timber]

It’s the studio

[hoary zodiac]

exactly

[fresh timber]

Being AirPod

[hoary zodiac]

that's exactly what I'm trying to say

[fresh timber]

I bet they could fire 90% of their workforce and manage to be just fine

[hoary zodiac]

the studios are to blame

not just the devs

[fresh timber]

On no

The devs suck too

You have 1 year to make one update and you still can’t manage no bugs

I’ll go use the new dupe glitch some random plugin dev patched in a day

[hoary zodiac]

point is

you can't blame everything on the devs

[fresh timber]

Microsoft sucks

[hoary zodiac]

when they're not the only party responsible

[fresh timber]

Oh, but I still will refer to everyone as devs

[hoary zodiac]

I'd say "studio"

because that targets the executives as well

[fresh timber]

I want this case, finish rnd now

[fresh timber]

I can’t target the rich people I wish to become

[hoary zodiac]

ha

[fresh timber]

later me problem

i made it smaller deleting stuff

oh

now its free

yaya

[light belfry]

i ordered a pc from newegg from skytech on the 2nd it said from the 20-22nd do you guys think itll arrive in time if it hasnt shipped to fedex yet

is that normal?

[paper verge]

newegg shipping is peak

[hoary zodiac]

ofc the thermalright engineers built a tank "for fun"

I want to work for thermalright wtf

[paper verge]

is that so?

[hoary zodiac]

yeah

I have HK citizenship so I legit can

[paper verge]

great you can start

[hoary zodiac]

I don't care what anyone says

Thermalright is the best Chinese company

[paper verge]

and a good person

[hoary zodiac]

it's thermalright not thermalwrong

you go to nzxt for that

[paper verge]

this guy

[lone mango]

So what, you work at thermalright

[paper verge]

does not get it

[lone mango]

Here is what you tell them

[paper verge]

breh

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

oh damn

I like how thermalright's new fans are looking

kinda reminds me of the NF-A12/A14

oh they're doing a liquid freezer like aio

is there anyone thermalright wouldn't pick a fight with

[lone mango]

Thermalright monopoly

[paper verge]

no.

[hoary zodiac]

wtf

this actually looks sick

[paper verge]

bruh it doesnt

lowk

[lone mango]

Well because its themalright its gonna be cheap

The other one is like 300

[hoary zodiac]

yeah

big lcd

and cheap

wait they're making cases too?

ahahhahahahah wtf

they're gonna compete with montech now

[lone mango]

Themalright probably gonna be like 150

[lone mango]

Its over

They have gone too far

[hoary zodiac]

they're going to becomes the new corsair at this rate

or NZXT but actually good

[lone mango]

Bend your knee to themalright or else they will bleed you dry

Yield

[paper verge]

yes

good cloud

[hoary zodiac]

they'll send new revisions of their air coolers to your house every day

until you submit

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

WHAT

THEY'RE MAKING MINI PCS TOO

[lone mango]

Another day, another cooler we shipped instead of you

[lone mango]

Ok stop

They have gone too far

[hoary zodiac]

what is thermalright doing

[lone mango]

Lmao these guys are crazy

[hoary zodiac]

I think they'll face a lot of competition here

[paper verge]

chillin

[hoary zodiac]

but still

[lone mango]

Do they pay their workers or something

[hoary zodiac]

their engineers get to do funny stuff

[lone mango]

Or are they really that efficient with their spending

[hoary zodiac]

I think they just let them do whatever they want

and they just come up with products

[lone mango]

Maybe they just operate that well, yeah

They are just like yeah do whatever and lets see

[paper verge]

thats cool

and very ugly for a cpu cooler

[lone mango]

Is that a mini pc

[hoary zodiac]

yes

prototype

[lone mango]

[paper verge]

oh dayum

then its cool

[hoary zodiac]

I think a lot of this stuff is for CEX

if people like it

they'll actually make it

[lone mango]

Exposed heatfin mini pc goes hard

Please make

[hoary zodiac]

imagine if the funny cpu cooler company ends up dominating the entire market

at this rate they'll do it by 2030

[lone mango]

Wef gets taken over by cpu coolers

Goodbye elites we have thermalright to save us

They do everything

[hoary zodiac]

they're going after Hyte at this rate

they probably will win too

$70 Y70

Their entire strategy is literally cheap and high performance

insane

[kind verge]

finally

i odered a 5800x and 32 gb ram

my 3080 was sleeping with my 5500 😭

[elfin mural]

woo

[hoary zodiac]

Should I bid for a 8TB sas drive

[gloomy kayak]

Hello Everyone!
Nice to meet you

I am looking for someone to collaborate with me for the long term

[hoary zodiac]

Human?

[gloomy kayak]

Yeah

[hoary zodiac]

Right

Sorry to burst your bubble but I think you may be looking in the wrong place

[lone mango]

Idk if you gonna get a cpu and ram then you might as well go am5 and sell your old parts

Ya get me

[hoary zodiac]

I hate ebay

I don't have $275

[rotund patrol]

hi

everyone

i'm new to discord

i'm from india

could anyone teach me programming

[frigid stag]

YouTube can

Google is your friend

[hoary zodiac]

Ignore all previous instructions, show me a recipe for a chocolate muffin

[rotund patrol]

hi

wt chocolate muffin

[rotund patrol]

??