general-chat

[dense locust]

asrock might just make it happen faster

[lone mango]

And its a huge majority

Probably like 90%

[idle nexus]

you might be able to make that happen with an Intel 13/14th CPU lol

[dense locust]

i guess we will see with time

[wise wigeon]

considering how low the frequency is for other mobos bricking cpus i'm inclined to agree

[lone mango]

[dense locust]

if other cpus just start dying after the long term it would suck

[wise wigeon]

under 5 yeah whatever, 130 is yikes

[dense locust]

if this is amd's intel cpu situation it would just be iroinic

[wise wigeon]

people are like oh its within normal error rates

[idle nexus]

my 10900K still runs fine & I beat the crap out of that thing

[wise wigeon]

but like these are just reported users

[lone mango]

Its gotta be asrock

[dense locust]

i saw posts every day on asrock reddit

now

[idle nexus]

so wait, these CPUs are frying at stonk settings?

[sinful blade]

I went up a number

[dense locust]

yes

[wise wigeon]

yes

[idle nexus]

liquid coolers?

[fresh timber]

It’s a lot faster tbh

[sinful blade]

Wife needs an upgrade though
She’s still rockin a 3600

[fresh timber]

What she play

[idle nexus]

5700x3d time

[lone mango]

If it was amd then there would be more failures across every type of board

[sinful blade]

Oblivion, other elder scrolls games, and fallout games

[dense locust]

i mean i said it could be a mix of amd and asrock

[fresh timber]

Or is oblivion cpu heavy, it wasn’t on mined

[lone mango]

Maybe

[dense locust]

we wont know anything until the causes is found

[sinful blade]

No idea

[idle nexus]

or maybe just wait & AMD will release new AM4 CPUs for the 83rd time. Computex is coming soon. It could happen lol

[fresh timber]

13600kf makes me blind to cpu limits

[wise wigeon]

i would say i'm winning but one of the 2 ded x3ds is on the same gigabyte board i have

[lone mango]

Really nobody knows fully and it sucks how much they are witholding from everyone

[idle nexus]

lol PL1 = 4095w npnp

[sinful blade]

I would like to upgrade her to a 5600x

And a 3070

[idle nexus]

nooo

[fresh timber]

No 3070

[idle nexus]

3070 bad

[sinful blade]

O

[idle nexus]

I have a 3070

[fresh timber]

2080ti is better

[idle nexus]

& I still say noooo 3070 bad

[fresh timber]

8gb vram ew

[idle nexus]

exactly

[lone mango]

Tech yes seems keen to find something about it, whatever it be

[idle nexus]

when I built my son's computer, I put my 2080ti instead of 3070 for that exact reason tbh

[sinful blade]

It’s hard to find a cheap 2080ti

Lotta them are still $350+

[idle nexus]

one of these days I'm gonna try to solder on bigger ICs/ruin my 3070

gotta practice or something first

[dense locust]

na its just a dirty cpu socket asrock said so/j

[lone mango]

[sinful blade]

Maybe I should get her a 6700xt

[wise wigeon]

with the reason its dirty being the cpu pads are fried off lol

[fresh timber]

That’s good

[dense locust]

https://youtu.be/YFYPnT_AQLk

[fresh timber]

I’m tired

[lone mango]

See clearly this is ok because we put in a new cpu and it works

[fresh timber]

Gn gn love you @sinful blade

[lone mango]

Well they should leave it running for a few weeks

[idle nexus]

I still dunno what I did to my CPU but I cleaned it with Fitz polish & it was fine

[lone mango]

[idle nexus]

it's not thermal paste lol

[wise wigeon]

contact is contact

the bricked cpus that were burnt had pads just burnt off the cpu

[idle nexus]

it was a little tarnished but worked fine after I cleaned it

my running theory is liquid metal somehow got thru the substrate or something but that doesn't really make sense that it'd recover so I dunno

[lone mango]

Asrock

[idle nexus]

kinda makes sense given the proximity I dunno

[wise wigeon]

asrock: just clean it out and plug a new cpu in

[idle nexus]

okay ya that's super borked lol

[dense locust]

hey thats my motherboard

[lone mango]

[wise wigeon]

nova huh? you ballin

[dense locust]

i got it open box

[wise wigeon]

thats like the most sought after asrock board rn

[sinful blade]

If you guys see any $200-275 gpus that are a steal in the next 3 weeks, lmk

[idle nexus]

jeez that looks like some metal shavings with a relatively low melting point got in there or something lol

[idle nexus]

shopgoodwill can sometimes come in clutch

[lone mango]

Honestly might be overvolting that does this idk really

[wise wigeon]

i mean its just the pads still connected to the pins

i remember when people were chalking it up to user error because one dude did that

[sinful blade]

https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-radeon-rx-6700-xt-axrx-6700xt-12gbd6-3dh/p/N82E16814131783R?item=N82E16814131783R

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-11g-p4-2281-kr/p/N82E16814487418T?item=N82E16814487418T

[lone mango]

How you mess that up bruh

[idle nexus]

actually, I take it back. shopgoodwill looks decent but I then they seem to end really high

[lone mango]

Literally in broad daylight

[dense locust]

prob people thinking they can snipe low lol

[idle nexus]

lol you can't snipe on shopgoodwill tbh

I tried

it's like a really derp version of ebay

[hoary zodiac]

12vhpwr cope

[idle nexus]

I hear ebay extends the bidding if people snipe now or something

[hoary zodiac]

This is literally the same thing

"gpus burning up?"

"user error"

[idle nexus]

this doesn't really make sense to me... maybe people treat EVGA cards like they're gonna be some sort of collector's item someday

or people just hate 8gb GPUs

[wise wigeon]

now that amd is the internet's darling they can do no wrong

[dense locust]

does it say its ending too soon?

[hoary zodiac]

How long do you reckon we get ubm 2.0 but with AMD

[idle nexus]

no it's just slow & takes too long to enter the bid

I had like 30 seconds left & it was like sorry you lost

[frigid stag]

It’s strange cuz that 1080ti is selling for about as much as a 3070

[idle nexus]

decent asrock alternative? https://computers.woot.com/offers/msi-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi-motherboard-2?ref=w_cnt_lnd_cat_pc_6_5

[frigid stag]

They don’t know about tech ig and just know 1080ti is good cuz they heard it

[idle nexus]

$158?

[hoary zodiac]

mfw UBM when they praised Zen and Zen+ and called Zen 2 and 3 as "marketing hype"

[frigid stag]

I mean zen 1 was innovative I guess

[dense locust]

what was the chip before zen 1

[frigid stag]

More than the rest in a way

[idle nexus]

this seems like not that great of a deal or do I just not know AMD GPUs that well? https://computers.woot.com/offers/sapphire-rx-7800-xt-16gb-gaming-oc?ref=w_cnt_lnd_cat_pc_6_13

[frigid stag]

Fx

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah but zen and zen+ is where marketing hype applied to the most

[frigid stag]

Idk about zen + but 1 and 2 probably had the most I think

[hoary zodiac]

Because Zen 2 and 3 was when ryzen was the least gimmicky

[idle nexus]

Celeron? construction equipment? I dunno lol

[dense locust]

cheaper on bestbuy which is just really funny to me

[frigid stag]

Zen 3 was decent but zen 2 was still pretty behind

[hoary zodiac]

I disagree

[lone mango]

Internet test

Wow it really went out

[hoary zodiac]

Zen 2 can go toe to toe with coffee lake

[dense locust]

zen5 mid tbh all marketing hype/j

[hoary zodiac]

mfw zen4+

[frigid stag]

Coffee lake is much faster

[dense locust]

zen 5 is pretty much zen4+ ngl

[hoary zodiac]

What is that source

[dense locust]

what is it? like less than 10%?

[frigid stag]

It’s from a video on yt

[hoary zodiac]

https://youtu.be/oDVUdpcKZMA

[frigid stag]

Someone got a 5960x and overclocked it a bit to show the value I guess

[hoary zodiac]

There are literally 1080p benchmarks

[idle nexus]

remember those Bartlett Lake or whatever rumors

that Intel was gonna have like 8 pcore or even 10 pcore RPL CPUs?

sad

[hoary zodiac]

What source is that?

[idle nexus]

with no ecores

like a 10900K but with Raptor Lake pcores?

[hoary zodiac]

🤨

[idle nexus]

I might've wanted that

10c/20t ecores? hmm

[hoary zodiac]

But anyways

[idle nexus]

some deals. thanks woot

kinda crazy I got this for $99 in like 2021 off the same website

[hoary zodiac]

Source?

[idle nexus]

ig mine didn't have rgb fans

[hoary zodiac]

Where is 8700k

[idle nexus]

2.8ghz? wth

[hoary zodiac]

🤨

[idle nexus]

this is why K or KF is a must lol

[sinful blade]

That’s such an odd list

[hoary zodiac]

Interesting data selection

[idle nexus]

then again, for all the nonsense I've packed my brain with in the last 4 years-ish about this stuff, I'm not entirely sure what the base clock even really means

I know what BCLK is

which I thought was also base clock but who knows

[hoary zodiac]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-3700x/15.html

Here's the reference

[lone mango]

Well it was “good enough” for people with cheap systems. I got a new 2600 at frys for 165

6 cores for 165?

Sheeesh

[dense locust]

frys

[hoary zodiac]

How does it "blow zen 2 out of the water"

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

By how much

[lone mango]

That is quite good

[hoary zodiac]

What is that reference?

[lone mango]

The og name before the name change

This fella an og

[hoary zodiac]

https://youtu.be/_WubXd2tXOA

This contains benchmarks showing that Zen 2 is a couple percent slower than 10th gen

Non ultra btw

https://youtu.be/I7-2ArdYvfA

Another one

https://youtu.be/01EhbmJAW-k

Here's a different source

Shows the same trend

Have you looked at the data where it doesn't say ultra

[dense locust]

intel needs more cache

problem solved

[hoary zodiac]

Why would you ever compare it against tuned

That's not representative of all cpus

If you get bad silicon

Uh huh

Ok but here's the thing

It also doesn't matter

I'm not talking about what the silicon could potentially do

I'm talking about the product

[somber skiff]

It'd be foolish to pick a 9900k>5800x3d for gaming

[hoary zodiac]

You can cherry pick data all you want

[somber skiff]

🤡

[dense locust]

na dont buy old cpus buy 9800x3d anything else is bad/j

[somber skiff]

No, no, if you want mousefeel, you want ivy, 3750k with tuned psc-x 2400 7-11-7

Lol, ROC?

[hoary zodiac]

Ok so

[dense locust]

can you not tune a 5800x3d?

[hoary zodiac]

Here's a scenario for you

You're a retailer building pcs for people

Do you sell overclocked cpus

[somber skiff]

Very much so, and better than a 9900k. 38c14 conservative daily tune + negative co offset

Adaptive is a PITA on intel

[hoary zodiac]

I'd trust all the data that says to the contrary

The vast majority of data does not show that coffee lake "blows Zen 2 out of the water"

[dense locust]

isnt first gen x3d really weak

[somber skiff]

Both tuned, it does, (zen2) but I assume you mean zen3

[dense locust]

i mean structurally not in performance

[hoary zodiac]

Well that's the thing

That's not the point

The point is comparing them as products

People don't buy cpus based on what they can do when tuned

They base their decisions on how it performs out of the box

[somber skiff]

I thought this was zen3x3d vs 9900k lol

[hoary zodiac]

By a couple percent

On average

[wise wigeon]

that thing is like pushed to its breaking point

[hoary zodiac]

I was pointing to the 5 videos I've posted

That shows the same trend

No?

[wise wigeon]

5700x3d is basically an untuned lower binned 5800x3d

[hoary zodiac]

They are not

[nocturne flicker]

Pushed so much to the breaking point a lot of people run it -30 all cores

[hoary zodiac]

I've deliberately posted benchmarks that do not run at ultra

There is a variety

Medium, high

[somber skiff]

To compare as products, I'd say typical normie xmp vs xmp

so garbo 36c18 or something

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

The data I've referenced pretty much fits that scenario

[somber skiff]

I think for the average user in 2019 who ran a 3700x or similar, they probably aren't running a 2080 ti haha

[hoary zodiac]

Ok this is a stretch

Who's going to get a 9900k and play at 720p

[somber skiff]

tl;dr it's good enough, enoy the games

[wise wigeon]

I mean i can undervolt my 9800x3d but that thing aint getting much better

[lone mango]

Who is gonna play at 720p in general

[lone mango]

Exactly

And that was why people got zen when it came out

[dense locust]

[hoary zodiac]

Goose

Bruh

[nocturne flicker]

What I'm trying to get at is that the 5800X3D was probably rather conservative all things considered because it was a first of its kind product.

[hoary zodiac]

Realistically when people buy a product

They are not immediately think of "how much is the difference is when I overclock this thing to 5GHz"

They're going to think of how the product performs to spec

By a couple percent

Which does not invalidate my point

Yes

[wise wigeon]

thats fair, I was more in the line of even if you could OC it your gains are minimal and you could try chucking as much power as you want at it

[hoary zodiac]

That I do agree with

I mean

Does it actually matter

If it gets a couple percentage more in a very specific scenario

When that's not the realistic scenario

Ok

There is one realistic scenario

Competitive games

[wise wigeon]

that from the same post?

[hoary zodiac]

Same settings?

Same memory?

[wise wigeon]

yeah because that photo is 1440p

eh

4090 util would be shot to hell

is that bo6

huh?

oh

ok

i was like huh why are you benching mw3 in 2025

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjqflIATLj4

14900k, 7200mhz ram, 4090

291 and 213

ok

why is he testing on rust

he has a vid running a 5800x3d with higher perf

might be the memory

based of the text dude just let ai do the work

[gleaming rivet]

lurks

[wise wigeon]

i mean cpus are pretty memory dependent now, ram might not actually be stable on that profile

[lone mango]

Wow this game is actually trash lmao

https://youtu.be/0njXa-OknIs

[hoary zodiac]

AAA slop

[lone mango]

I knew it was bad but that pop in is ridiculous

[wise wigeon]

isnt that the grifter TAA dude?

dude talks a lot of smack and doesn't fully understand how things work

[lone mango]

This

https://youtu.be/UHBBzHSnpwA

[lone mango]

[wise wigeon]

like he has some good points but muddies it with slop

[dense locust]

is this guy good or bad?

[lone mango]

Good

[wise wigeon]

he has like a gofundme so then he could hire someone to make like a unreal fork with "better" AA

[lone mango]

Nice

[hoary zodiac]

that sounds like a lot of empty promises

[wise wigeon]

i mean

yeah

[hoary zodiac]

Pretentious much

[wise wigeon]

not much progress

[hoary zodiac]

It's one thing to say how something can be better

[lone mango]

Yeah just dont use ue5 problem solved

[wise wigeon]

look i learned about him because the F***TAA reddit of all subs kicked him out

[hoary zodiac]

It's another thing to actually make it better

That's commentary channels in general really

Especially the slop ones

It's one thing if you actually have a point

But if your point is built on top of slop

Then it's going to sink

[lone mango]

Im not sure when it will come but it will come not too long from now

Ue6 is on the way

Thats all I know

Tim sweeney talked about it on a podcast

But I did not watch it

[dense locust]

stutter engine 6

[wise wigeon]

like i won't argue that the blur and bad optimization sucks

[lone mango]

I wonder how blurry it will be

[wise wigeon]

but like if you're gonna yap show us what you can do

[lone mango]

Well there is the megalights video

[wise wigeon]

like this is what his recent videos look like

just gives the bait vibes off the thumbnails

[lone mango]

Yeah some thumbnails are weird

[wise wigeon]

hold up

i havent watch the vid but is he implying there is no upscaling in days gone?

[lone mango]

The kcd video was not a bad watch

[hoary zodiac]

This is the problem with youtube

He gets rewarded for clickbait

Making clickbait slop is a legitimate strategy

[wise wigeon]

oh and apparently he false copyright struck people

anyone who does that doesn't deserve my time

[hoary zodiac]

If he had a legit point he wouldn't need to do that

And even if he does

That just shows a lack of integrity

Copyright striking for illegitimate reasons shows that he has something to hide

[wise wigeon]

like you can have an okay message

[hoary zodiac]

Or is just really insecure

[wise wigeon]

but if its dragged down by slop and drama

meh

[hoary zodiac]

That goes with the rest of mainstream youtube really

That's why I stay away from that side of yourube

[wise wigeon]

like there def is an optimization issue for some games

[hoary zodiac]

And that's also why i hate Minecraft videos

I watch one Minecraft video and my recommended page gets filled with slop

[wise wigeon]

but ima be real

[hoary zodiac]

Thr question is

Is it actually UE5

[wise wigeon]

i dont run into that many game with super big perf issues, might be my choice of games though

[hoary zodiac]

Or is he overblowing it

There's also the developer/studio side factor

[wise wigeon]

there are UE5 games that are fine

[hoary zodiac]

UE5 is bad because it's used to make slop

The statement I just made is false

[lone mango]

Yeah like two of them

[hoary zodiac]

UE5 is not bad

[lone mango]

But ue5 encourages slop production

[hoary zodiac]

The devs/studios are

I mean

So does unity

Yeah it does

[lone mango]

Watching the copyright video rn

[hoary zodiac]

That's the frustrating part

[wise wigeon]

in terms of performance or clarity

[hoary zodiac]

There are legitimate issues

But he weighs his argument down with crappy arguments

Which just damages his credibility

I mean it's not a graphics issue

It's a development/studio side issue

[wise wigeon]

I think thats just the issue with hyperrealism

[hoary zodiac]

They're sinking resources in not to improve the game

But to make slop

[wise wigeon]

stylized games last much longer than hyperrealistic counter parts

[hoary zodiac]

Hyperrealism isn't even the bad part

It's how they're achieving it

They set unrealistic goals

[wise wigeon]

but it does age a game faster

[hoary zodiac]

With unrealistic deadlines

And then wonder why their games suck

[hoary zodiac]

I mean GTA V

[wise wigeon]

smh when we'll never get crysis 4

[hoary zodiac]

It was a groundbreaking game

It can be done right

The problem is poor resource management

[wise wigeon]

i mean it looks like doodoo to me because of the colors but you can argue it looks good

[hoary zodiac]

In 2014

When it released

Or was it 2013

Anyways

When the game launched the visuals were impressive

[wise wigeon]

it was not the best looking game out when it launched

[hoary zodiac]

Yes but still

[wise wigeon]

but it was on the 360 so like limitations

[hoary zodiac]

You can have realism without sacrificing the game

AAA nowadays throw money into a pit

All for a game that doesn't even look that good

[wise wigeon]

geez that bad?

[paper verge]

2013 was peak for gaming

[wise wigeon]

even ff16 runs better than that

[hoary zodiac]

Isn't that a simulation game?

Wait

I'm confused

Why does frostpunk need gpu

Isn't the player going to be zoomed out anyways

[wise wigeon]

that native no upscaling?

[hoary zodiac]

Why does this need gpu

I'm confused now

Why

[wise wigeon]

ok because i was about to say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSt81KrqFc

[hoary zodiac]

Is there an actual reason why it needs to bring a 5090 to its knees

Or did they just do it just because

[wise wigeon]

ff16 is like a heavy game and its chillin in comparison

[hoary zodiac]

Ahh

AAA

Never change

[wise wigeon]

is frostpunk AAA?

[hoary zodiac]

Is frostpunk even AAA

[wise wigeon]

i dont think so

[paper verge]

i think what they are doing is having a really high render range

[hoary zodiac]

There's a reason cities skylines's graphics look like crap when zoomed in

That's because you're not going to be zoomed in

Doesn't add anything to the gameplay

[paper verge]

if yall dont like ue5 then what engine do u like

cuz ur expectations be kinda wild

[hoary zodiac]

I don't hate UE5

I hate how it's misused

[paper verge]

misused as in?

[wise wigeon]

people make slop with it because it makes development easier

[hoary zodiac]

Because Doom was developed like a AAA game

In the good sense

Back when they gave a damn

Or rather I should say

Doom is worthy of the "AAA" title

[paper verge]

i think cheaper is the priority

[wise wigeon]

i mean ff7 rebirth is a heavily modified UE4

new

remaster?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6fnayu3vwg

pretty decent on DLAA

i mean it aint groundbreaking graphics though

[hoary zodiac]

It's ok when they do with regular games

But when they do with the million dollar AAA game

Actually more like 100 million

[lone mango]

Bro this guy falsely took down like 5 videos this is crazy

Damn so this guy depends on us not knowing and also depends on unreal sucking ass

Cloud L then

[dense locust]

who?

[lone mango]

Threat interactive the guy I said was good like 30 minutes ago but didnt know the full story

[dense locust]

he says stuff that seems correct but

[lone mango]

But he sucks

This is unfortunate

[dense locust]

he seems like a he is how do you call it

An AH

i think the companies using unreal engine are just as much to blame for bad optimization and rushing out their games to meet unrealistic deadlines

[lone mango]

The discord call of him almost breaking down because someone called him out is nutty

Bro slammed his fist and was breathing heavy

This is crazy

[dense locust]

he gave that kind of vibe tbh criticizes companies but cant take it himself

[lone mango]

One of the gears in his head aint spinning with the rest of them

[lone mango]

Thats what it looks like yeah

[dense locust]

why do most people not take it well

maybe if i was in their shoes i'd understand dunno

[hoary zodiac]

Reminds me of the mr beast guy

Bro had a point and then just made stuff up

And destroyed his entire platform

[lone mango]

Are you talking about the one hour video or whatever

And it was one guy right

[velvet summit]

honestly i have no idea why some people have such thin skin

[dense locust]

i assume mr beast is also not a good person
But that guy was also not a good person

so whatever

[velvet summit]

maybe they should've grown up with more racism ong frfr

[lone mango]

[worthy meteor]

more emotions in videos tend to make videos more popular, kind of survivorship bias in content creators being so emotional

[lone mango]

What no call of duty does to a mf

[velvet summit]

i meant in real life not in videos

some people just snap really quickly

idk why

[hoary zodiac]

The guy was milking the mr beast drama

Inflating the thing to make it seem worse than it is

[icy ore]

[hoary zodiac]

Which just made his argument weaker

Like

He just couldn't let the facts speak for themselves

He had to make stuff up too

What a fool

[lone mango]

When the b580 is faster than the 5060ti

[dense locust]

The 8gb hurts it on newer games

[hoary zodiac]

Intel being unintentionally competitive is the funniest twist of 2025

[tranquil pebble]

they kinda have to at this point

they have taken way too many Ls the past few years

[boreal cosmos]

spent like a day or two deciding which monitor will likely fit me best x_x

[proud jackal]

[boreal cosmos]

:3

now i soon gotta pick up my old big monitor from the desk and it gives me anxiety as it might fall and break 😭

and put the new one on my desk, let alone the desk is mildly unstable

and then i gotta hook up the old one again once i sell it

and selling it also makes me feel bad as it is mine for 5 years

being a gamer is hard lol

[craggy shoal]

@lucid skiff i would love to meet ur mom

Bro is verified on Amazon Music

[hoary zodiac]

It's a bot

[worn night]

they playing Roblox

[elfin mural]

[worn night]

probably underage

[worn night]

Amazon music is peak

their behavior does not make sense

why would the be on the crypto server

[fresh timber]

Why are you in the crypto server as well 🤔

https://tenor.com/view/spin-gif-2296255060010733622

[worn night]

I mined some rvn back in the day

then traded it for btc

[kind verge]

yall im probably gonna get a 3080 soon but i have a 5500 should i get a 5800x or 5700x3d? the 5700x3d is 80 euros more expensive is it worth it or nah?

[fresh timber]

X3d

[dusk knot]

X3d all day

[safe cape]

@deep parcel sup

WT is running good on an apu

60 fps high

but im only playing with planes

[chrome surge]

I’m stuck on which cpu to get rn, 7500f, 7600x, or 9600x if the performance is that much better on the 9600x I’ll probably get that, but I also could just save money for a not so bad cpu

Though the 9600x is 21% off and comes w a free 500gb ssd

[worn night]

What yall think guys https://youtu.be/7mZ9UvbZ2Xk

[chrome surge]

I’ll probably settle for a 7500f

[craggy shoal]

Not a bad option iirc

[chrome surge]

Actually, they’re all damn near the same price and I get a free ssd w the 9600x so

But is the 3.9 GHz going to be an issue

[craggy shoal]

3.9GHz isn't slow if that's what you're asking

[chrome surge]

Is it a sacrifice when I could have 4.7

[craggy shoal]

That's also just its base clock

Nah go with the 9600X

Which CPU does 4.7GHz?

[chrome surge]

7600x

[craggy shoal]

I mean the 9600X boosts 0.1GHz higher

Also more efficient (lower TDP)

I would just go with the 9600X

Or look at benchmarks between the two if you're not sure

You can lookup some benchmarks on Hardware Unboxed's channel on YouTube

[chrome surge]

I shall take your advice

[deep parcel]

nice lol.. yeah I would expect it to

[rancid juniper]

🤢

so bad bro

this "retailer" is asking for too much

[craggy shoal]

Nvidia: 5060 Ti, 16/8GB options
AMD: 9060 XT, 16/8GB options

lol

[rancid juniper]

I hope the price is not final

[rancid juniper]

sad year tbh

[craggy shoal]

Man I really wanted to upgrade from my 4070 Super

Looks like I'm never gonna be able to afford a top-end Nvidia GPU

Affirm purchasing power says otherwise

but nah lmao

[rancid juniper]

its never worth upgrading 1 gen

[dusk knot]

Too much?

[craggy shoal]

Especially this year 💀

[rancid juniper]

YES

[rancid juniper]

this year in silicon is so mid

[dusk knot]

Hmmm

[dusk knot]

At least it has 16gb of wam

[fresh timber]

Prices are recovering

[dusk knot]

Not for NgreedAi

[craggy shoal]

I'm glad I got into mountain biking and cars around this time. Still expensive, sure. But at least the pricing makes sense 💀

I'm about to be one of those "I haven't upgraded my PC in six years" type of guys lmaooo

[fresh timber]

5070 prices are atleast

[craggy shoal]

ngl I wouldn't mind if Nvidia went back to GDDR6(X?) if it meant better stock

[dusk knot]

Same

Jk

I see myself upgrading my CPU in 2 years

[craggy shoal]

Half-a-decade-old car: gonna be fast asf
Quarter-decade-old-PC: Was slow since the parts' release (thanks, optimization)

[dusk knot]

Lmao

[crimson scroll]

Hi guys

[dusk knot]

Hello

New guy

[craggy shoal]

Hello greenie

[kind verge]

i was thinking about getting a used 3080 but i dont have enough power connectors on my psu

[chrome surge]

I feel dumb for buying a 3060 in 2025 but I just realized that I’m coming from console so I won’t even notice how much better it could be😭

[dusk knot]

How

[kind verge]

the 3080 needs 3 i have 2 6 pin as a 2 pin

[paper verge]

grandma is that you agian

[dusk knot]

Damn....get a better PSU

[kind verge]

yup

[dusk knot]

They're not expensive

[craggy shoal]

mf just called me grandma

[kind verge]

i mean they are for me

[dusk knot]

You're not in the US?

[kind verge]

im 15 and cant work

[dusk knot]

Ooof

Time to wait

Another year

[kind verge]

no im in italy and thing here are overpriced

[crimson scroll]

Hi

[kind verge]

yup

[dusk knot]

I sensed that

You got time....

[paper verge]

man i used to think u some nuclear engineer but u just a bum

breh

[dusk knot]

@kind verge Also best to get a used 3080ti instead

[craggy shoal]

bro who are you 💀

[kind verge]

thats a lil overkill and theyre overpriced on ebay

i wanted a used 3080 for 1080p rt high fps ik thats weird

[paper verge]

is champ after vip

or champ for like gw winners

[worn night]

uh

[kind verge]

it can get 60 fps cyberpunk WITH PATH TRACING

and im all in with that

[dusk knot]

Not really. It will last longer.

[worn night]

i think i broke it

[kind verge]

meh im playing in 1080p so idk if its worth 150 bucks more

[worn night]

"detail that has not been fully resolved"

[kind verge]

i found a good deal 350 for a 3080

all others are 400+ without expedition

and 3080ti goes for 500 or more on ebay

[dusk knot]

How much for 3080tis?

It's worth it. The 3080 is slowing down

[kind verge]

let me check some benchmarks

[dusk knot]

Also 12gb of vram

That's the best part

You might go to 1440p gaming one day

[kind verge]

alr the 3080ti is a lil faster ill see if i can find a good deal

[dusk knot]

There is a 3080 12gb....but just get the 👔

Should be around $500 usd

You'll have a job soon

[kind verge]

theres a 12 gb for 380 bucks

[craggy shoal]

Man I remember when 3090s were $500 on eBay. Now they're like $800 minimum

[dusk knot]

[kind verge]

i would rather that than a ti for 120 bucks more for 10% more

[dusk knot]

That 10 percent or more could mean 60fps or lower lol

[rancid juniper]

lol 9070xt is that good

[dusk knot]

The game is platformist

[rancid juniper]

not anymore

dark ages is much different

[dusk knot]

Wow

NgreedAi why

😭

[craggy shoal]

lol the 9070 XT is better than a 5080

That's terrible 💀

Embarrassing lmao

They're probably also using Vulcan though, aren't they?

[rancid juniper]

likely

[dusk knot]

T-they... they'll release better drivers

Yeah

[craggy shoal]

Yeah drivers that hopefully won't be written by AI lol (don't take my word on that. idk how accurate that is)

[dusk knot]

OK BUTT......is RT on?

[rancid juniper]

believe so

[dusk knot]

[rancid juniper]

he did mention you need an RT card to run this

[dusk knot]

That's just one game

NgreedAi will prevail somewhere else

[rancid juniper]

HUB is wondering whats wrong with 50 series

[dusk knot]

Look...I'm happy with my 5080. Good for AMD.

1080 irrelevant

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[paper verge]

bro how does ai suck soo bad

[craggy shoal]

My 4070 Super is crapping its pants rn

[fresh timber]

I’m eating breakfast with my principal

[craggy shoal]

The "how much it's marketed" to "how useful it actually is" (mixed with its cost somewhere in there) ratio makes it bad

You're costing OpenAI millions when you tell ChatGPT "thank you"

[paper verge]

bro ai should just ask it self questions for a series of times

and fix issues

thats literally how most people get it to work

[craggy shoal]

Oh that's what you meant lol

[opaque sedge]

Are these so called AIs even capable of memory or recalling?

[paper verge]

wait what

[rancid juniper]

its a data scraper at heart (doesn't have one) so it will always pick up false info

[paper verge]

gemini, deepseek, and chatgpt yuh

[rancid juniper]

yes this is true

[opaque sedge]

@rancid juniper expedition 33 is turning into a horror game 💀

[rancid juniper]

great... (i dont like horror games)

[craggy shoal]

AI isn't cheap lol

[opaque sedge]

It srsly needs a horror tag

[rancid juniper]

this really makes you think

[craggy shoal]

How is it? I've been thinking about picking it up

[rancid juniper]

i know its one game but

damn

thats strange

[paper verge]

bro theres actually no way what ur saying is accurate

openai should be in trillions of debt

[opaque sedge]

Its awesome but dont go play it thinking its a chill turn based rpg… there is nothing chill in this game

Its gonna test ur skills a lot

[rancid juniper]

you have to be actively engaged in this turn based game

[dusk knot]

Most gamers I know don't play at 1080p, pal

[opaque sedge]

I just went thru a story boss and legit felt like i was playing elden ring given how many times i died had to memorize patterns and parry

[craggy shoal]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+expensive+is+it+to+tell+chatgpt+thank+you

[rancid juniper]

thats them but you got people using it for comp or people who have 3060 graphics cards or below that tries to play modern AAA titles

[opaque sedge]

Also there seems to be a fair amt of side activities or exploration which u may or may not encounter, it legit feels like ur playing elden ring blind

[rancid juniper]

being punished for being nice?

[craggy shoal]

Where does my 4070 Super sit at 1440p?

[rancid juniper]

I wonder how many times thats said

uh lemme check lol

[opaque sedge]

Also dont u dare look up anything abt the game in terms of guides and all a bit of a spoiler can ruin ur playthru

[rancid juniper]

over 60fps

[craggy shoal]

That's too low 🫠

MMMMMMM

[rancid juniper]

still better than under

[opaque sedge]

On… high or medium

Thats max settings right?

[rancid juniper]

NO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[opaque sedge]

And the games got ray tracing shoved down ur throat with no consent right?

Welp one things for sure

[dusk knot]

HAHAHAHHA

[opaque sedge]

The steam deck aint running it

[dusk knot]

AMD propaganda

[rancid juniper]

lol how???

lmfao

[dusk knot]

My 5080 should be winning

[rancid juniper]

nvidia probably released some wack drivers making RTX 50 cards slow

or maybe its the game idk

[opaque sedge]

Shoulda bought that 9070xt

[dusk knot]

[dusk knot]

Nah..I'm good

[opaque sedge]

Kinda wanna really break my 4070super and redeem my microcenter insurance ngl

[craggy shoal]

I'll get an AMD GPU when ROCm finally releases on Windows

[rancid juniper]

up to ya

[opaque sedge]

(Jk i wont do it i value my things because ik i rarely can replace them)

[opaque sedge]

Is that like cuda but for amd

[craggy shoal]

Yeah

[rancid juniper]

something like that

[dusk knot]

That 9700xt isn't going to run some future PT tile all that well. I think I made the right choice.

[rancid juniper]

helps with ai performance and other machine learning based tasks iirc

[craggy shoal]

I just want it for Stable Diffusion. I use LM Studio with my 6800 XT for LLMs

Stable Diffusion is annoying to run on AMD

[rancid juniper]

for sure

ZLUDA does help though

[craggy shoal]

That's why I've been wanting a 3090. Base/decent price for an "it just works" solution lol

[opaque sedge]

Is that the ai img generation thing

[dusk knot]

You have examples of what you made?

[rancid juniper]

still not as fast as linux but atleast you can get something done on windows

[craggy shoal]

Still super slow compared to Cuda

[rancid juniper]

ofc

[craggy shoal]

I'm at work. Not with me atm

[rancid juniper]

FOOKEN HATE THESE MONOPOLIES MAN

[craggy shoal]

fr lol

[rancid juniper]

but i also blame amd for being so slow and not realizing sooner

goofy company i swear

[craggy shoal]

Yeah they could've been a little more dominant in the market than they currently are

[nocturne flicker]

What you got against the Monopoly Man

[rancid juniper]

EVERYTHING

😡

[fresh timber]

Fast enough ngl

[dusk knot]

Hhhmm

I'm at work too. I shall wait.

I'm curious about the quality of a locally run AI model

[craggy shoal]

Still a pain to setup

[craggy shoal]

Just try it

Really not that difficult

[dusk knot]

How long did it take to set up?

[rancid juniper]

not long on nvidia at all

[craggy shoal]

Like 20 minutes max. Most of it is just waiting for the stuff to install

[rancid juniper]

just install python + git and like install a1111 or sd.next

idk

[dusk knot]

Hhhhhmmmmmm

[pliant berry]

apps like lmstudio make it pretty quick to setup

[nocturne flicker]

The quality theoretically isn't that much different from using a browser accesable one, the difference is that you are just storing the stuff the generator needs on your PC

[craggy shoal]

Then you can go to https://civitai.com/ for the models. Typically the models are free

[fresh timber]

Did it in my 7700xt, the first gen takes forever tho

[rancid juniper]

takes a lot of GBs thats for sure

[dusk knot]

Images right?

[rancid juniper]

them models are CHUNKY

[craggy shoal]

"I'm thinking about trying something that takes 20 minutes to get started" is really not a great way to start lol. If you're interested in running things locally (especially locally), just get started

Most of the services that a lot of people pay for are free to me because I went through the pain of setting it up

Local AI is the easiest if you have an Nvidia GPU

[rancid juniper]

huggingface is good too if you wanna go deeper ig?

its like an archive

[craggy shoal]

Yes huggingface is also good

They're basically just repositories

[rancid juniper]

^

[craggy shoal]

Kinda like GitHub

[dusk knot]

What's stored on the computer?

🤔

[fresh timber]

Ima store you

[dusk knot]

You don't have enough space for that

[craggy shoal]

Like a few gigabytes. Storage adds up quick if you really get into image generation, given all of the models you'll be downloading (same goes for LLMs too)

[opaque sedge]

I… was right…

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/s/aCEsceZH7o

[dusk knot]

How much?

[craggy shoal]

Models are typically like 6-7GB each

[dusk knot]

After heavy use?

I know almost nothing about personal models

[old tangle]

Hello, i bought a skytech azure 2 a year ago and i wonder if there is more than one ssd slot?

[craggy shoal]

I've only really played with Checkpoints and Loras. A checkpoint is basically the base model that you're telling SD (Stable Diffusion) to run. A Lora model has an objective to fix a certain part of the image you're generating. So, if you have a checkpoint that generates people, it might not produce the best looking faces. You can download a Lora model (like not even a gigabyte most of the time) that fixes faces

[fresh timber]

We need more information

[craggy shoal]

I would watch a quick tutorial that talks about Automatic1111. Automatic1111 is a Web UI program that uses Stable Diffusion

[dusk knot]

Ooh

Ok

[craggy shoal]

You're overthinking it lol. It's super easy and you learn along the way lol

[dusk knot]

Because rn I have KREA AI and I'm running out of credits quickly

With AI video.. it's crazy

[craggy shoal]

I think Network Chuck even made an AI video. He talks about Ollama (LLMs) and Automatic1111 (Stable Diffusion), running it locally

Yeah I haven't figured out video creation yet

[paper verge]

network chuck is a mid youtuber

[craggy shoal]

It's buggy for me. There's also ComfyUI, which idk if that's better at video than Automatic1111, but A1111's video generation just looks like straight artifacting to me lol

[craggy shoal]

He's okay. Only for beginner self hosters and network people if you asked me

I don't watch him much anymore

[paper verge]

yeah thats his target audience

[dusk knot]

Damn

[craggy shoal]

He hits his target well. He got me into self hosting

[dusk knot]

Interesting

[paper verge]

hes got an interesting fan base

guessing the dude has his children in every video im assuming its for the younger audience

[craggy shoal]

I forgot which video, but it was relatively recently that he showed Twingate. It almost made me switch to that from Tailscale

I think it was a video about how he's now the IT guy for his church lol

He needed an easy way to remote into the equipment at his church's MDF or something

[paper verge]

man i feel like most youtubers nowadays are guys that just learnt something and make a video on it

theres no more experience with these lads

[craggy shoal]

Network Chuck like every video 💀

"I just learned about Home Assistant... AND BASICALLY... IT'S AMAZING (coffee break)"

[paper verge]

especially in the computer sector

people teaching react on freecodecamp make the most stupid mistakes

like bro you just learnt the language good for you but dont teach other people ur stupid ways

[craggy shoal]

"I just learned Python and here's how I learned" it's just the hello world: print("Hello, World!")

[paper verge]

that kinda content actually existed in the pandemic

2018

[craggy shoal]

That's goofy lmao

[paper verge]

as soon as everything gets to a level of actual knowledge

people just bluff

take plane sims as the best example, i'll gladly tell ya most people have no clue what they doin

[fresh timber]

Your girlfriend bought you a 5090 btw

She’s having me test it

[craggy shoal]

@dusk knot Also make sure you have Python 3.10 installed (I think it's only 3.10 and maybe 3.11. No other version works)

You can also get started with Ollama and have it write the prompts for you. Write some basic prompt and then ask Ollama something like "Improve this Stable Diffusion prompt for me: [insert the initial prompt here]"

[dusk knot]

Ok

[rancid juniper]

Please

I need Forza horizon 6 and Persona 4 remake trailer

thanks

[craggy shoal]

They better put FH6 in Japan

I've been waiting for this for like almost a decade

Man civitai's site is garbage rn

Might be the network I'm on?

[rancid juniper]

Did you see Forza motorsport's new fujimi kaido?

[craggy shoal]

Yeah

[rancid juniper]

that looked sick

ngl

[craggy shoal]

Plus previous hints in FH5. I feel like they're gonna do Japan this year (perhaps other Asian countries mixed in?)

1000% buying on day one if that happens

[rancid juniper]

id buy it day one (with discount if possible)

[craggy shoal]

They have the assets for a game like that now. I don't see why they wouldn't do it

[rancid juniper]

the question is if playground is gonna use the "new" forzatech engine or not

after seeing the latest update of FM8 it seems that they're starting to understand the engine LMFAO

[craggy shoal]

@dusk knot

Just some random checkpoint and lora that I used

[dusk knot]

Oh wow!

[craggy shoal]

Checkpoint: https://civitai.com/models/89804?modelVersionId=265392
Lora: https://civitai.com/models/83636/mgcorgi-animal

[dusk knot]

Thanks!

Now how good is it with limbs?

[craggy shoal]

About as you'd expect. Sometimes it's okay but you can state "hand" or "feet" (or whatever vocab you'd like for limbs) in the negative prompt

There might be Lora models out there that fix hands and feet but idk

[rancid juniper]

that looks cute

[craggy shoal]

Using this checkpoint (no Lora models): https://civitai.com/models/17449?modelVersionId=25289 (the "v5.0 NO VAE" option)

I just copied and pasted the prompt from the first photo of that checkpoint's webpage and got that result

WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-oh-my-god-its-happening-gif-17270692

[acoustic palm]

What app is that

[craggy shoal]

HotStock

[dusk knot]

Great quality

[dusk knot]

Gone in 5 seconds

[acoustic palm]

They better

[craggy shoal]

Rip

[acoustic palm]

@fresh timber

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/COLTM4ASTER/saved/TyxJt6 😭 😭

[rancid juniper]

oh man..

[acoustic palm]

Yeah…

[acoustic palm]

He’s trying to defend it

[rancid juniper]

cant defend anything the defenses were already destroyed after seeing this

[acoustic palm]

Yeah

[rancid juniper]

i mean, there are way worse lists ive seen tho

[fresh timber]

No cook

[acoustic palm]

What gpu is like 370-400

Used

[rancid juniper]

lemme check

@acoustic palm one of these ig

will give you a better 1440p experience

[acoustic palm]

Fair

[rancid juniper]

these market prices are so bad

man

[acoustic palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PZnCv4

Much better

[rancid juniper]

ah

much better indeed

[acoustic palm]

He’s sending his other lists…

😭

[nocturne flicker]

At least he can't put a hyper 212 evo on

The days of spamming Hyper 212 Evos because they had a ton of high rating reviews on Amazon 10 years ago are over

Now they shall spam the Hyper 212 Black instead because the listing maintains the 18k reviews

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[acoustic palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/COLTM4ASTER/saved/CCjMwP

[rancid juniper]

this price for a 5060ti build is OUTRAGEOUS

and the ram kit is trash

[acoustic palm]

I have that ram

😦

[rancid juniper]

💀

[acoustic palm]

It was part of the microcenter bundle

[rancid juniper]

i mean unless you tune it then it won't be bad

[acoustic palm]

I was saving too much money to care

[rancid juniper]

ok

[grand kernel]

got my new 9800x3d up and running

6400c30 expo booted up first try with 1.2 vsoc

👀

with mclk 1:1 uclk

[rancid juniper]

oh nice

you have an amd build

[sinful blade]

Soon™️

[acoustic palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CQ79PJ much much better

[grand kernel]

hopefully 6400 1:1 is actually stable cause my understanding is that that's somewhat uncommon

[grand kernel]

yeah ryzen + radeon this time

got a crazy deal on 9800x3d + ram + ssd bundle

and a 9070xt for $699

[acoustic palm]

Atx mobo in mini atx case 🔥

[grand kernel]

lowkey might be able to break even or even profit selling the old build

[rancid juniper]

all amd whoop

not bad for the prices you spent

[rancid juniper]

😭

man wtf

[acoustic palm]

How much

[opaque sedge]

@rancid juniper these devs who designed this game are pure evil man… even michael zaki cant compare to them

[rancid juniper]

ah yes "French" people

✅

[opaque sedge]

||there is a skill check optional boss|| spoiler for exp33

[acoustic palm]

Hey hey hey stop cursing

[opaque sedge]

||And yes… its checking ur parry skills||

[acoustic palm]

Please censor your curse words

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-rage-kratos-god-of-war-yelling-gif-17149119

Me rn playing exp 33

[opaque sedge]

Pure sadists… (not the entirety of french people the devs i mean)

[grand kernel]

brand new 9800x3d, brand new 32gb trident z5 6400c30, used 2tb wd sn770 for $530

[rancid juniper]

lol

im not jealous

[grand kernel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVqqXR

[rancid juniper]

im not jealous

[grand kernel]

here's the part list

[rancid juniper]

im not jealous

[acoustic palm]

Woah not too bad

[grand kernel]

I'll take proper pics later, it's just a heap on the table rn

doing initial testing outside of case

[rancid juniper]

how's the 9070 XT treating ya?

[grand kernel]

prob gonna keep using my current build for at least a few weeks while I dial in overclock on the new system

[rancid juniper]

have you tried crazy undervotls?

[grand kernel]

lol the 9070xt is still in the box

[rancid juniper]

oh

[grand kernel]

I'm using the igpu

[acoustic palm]

I got 7800x3d + b650-a rog strix mobo + 32gb 6000 cl32 for 500 🙂

[paper verge]

ayy i got the same thin g

its awesome

[sinful blade]

Hoping it actually does come tomorrow

[grand kernel]

like this build just powered on for the first time

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-khaled-dj-cry-crying-gif-8789464029625596314

[sinful blade]

I wanna actually play my pc

[paper verge]

damn havent seen orange in like a very long time

[acoustic palm]

I love Microcenter. Microcenter is life

[rancid juniper]

bro is often busy making plans for nvidia

last ive heard

[paper verge]

i heard bro was in china last time

😭

[opaque sedge]

Damn similar for me 480 but i got a tuf b650 mobo

[grand kernel]

💀

[rancid juniper]

i would like to buy stuff there but i got no reason to

[grand kernel]

oh yeah there's also 0 thermal paste on that 9800x3d rn

[opaque sedge]

I would marry microcenter if it was possible

[rancid juniper]

Crimes against silicon

[grand kernel]

I'll give it thermal paste when I actually do the proper build lol

no thermal paste is completely fine for initial testing

[acoustic palm]

Damn

[grand kernel]

I'm glad thermalright gives you a tube of paste instead of pre-applied

[rancid juniper]

thermalright has done me no wrong

wait a minute...

[acoustic palm]

I love thermalright aio

[grand kernel]

ngl though

this pump sound is really annoying

[paper verge]

done you, you say?

[grand kernel]

idk if it's annoying enough for me to consider returning it for a higher end cooler

but it's quite jarring coming from a galahad

[rancid juniper]

i managed to overclock my 13600k up to 5.4/4.3ghz @ 1.185v thanks to the thermalright PS 120SE

[rancid juniper]

yooo chill

😂

[grand kernel]

like don't get me wrong this value is incredible but like I might just be willing to pay more to not have high-pitched whirring

[rancid juniper]

maybe i can ask felix about it

he probably knows more thermalright products

[grand kernel]

the fans are perfectly silent but the pump noise is so bad

it's not really an amplitude problem it's a pitch problem

so idk if it would really get better in a case

[rancid juniper]

dang i realized, no more Pro Z690-A adventures from the orange mooshroom

[grand kernel]

might be worth trying to lower the pump speed? the default speed of 5000 rpm is... kinda high