general-chat

[hoary zodiac]

Netherlands?

[worthy meteor]

do belgium

make big congo

[acoustic palm]

Oh

[mortal grail]

You sure it wasn't just me with a nickname

[hoary zodiac]

What if I kill Prussia

[acoustic palm]

I read that so wrong

[mortal grail]

I see no vincent

But I do not remember if I wasn't vincent at any point either

[median frigate]

Are you really into cars

[mortal grail]

I mean more than many but not obsessed

Lol

[median frigate]

I think it was something racer as his name

[mortal grail]

Oh

Oh wait

[median frigate]

I forgot the exact discord name

[worthy meteor]

vintageracer prob

[median frigate]

Ohh yeah vintage my bad

[hoary zodiac]

Actually I could go in on France

Hmmm

[median frigate]

He helped me out with my first build

[worthy meteor]

they disappeared after a while

[mortal grail]

He left

[median frigate]

Yeah that pc lasted me like 4 years started off mid range ended mid range

Never had a BSOD or anything with it either

[acoustic palm]

I think 9700x and 9070xt is considered high end

[mortal grail]

It is

At the rate of change the industry is going through it may still be in 6 years

Ngl

Need more radeon cards like the 9070xt to wake nvidia tf up

[idle nexus]

okay so with RTX3060 at 100% usage at 85C (1080ti 0% at 27C) & like mostly high settings in RE4, I'm getting ~62fps... now to add some smoke & mirrors... (I think I actually know how to use this now but)

[craggy shoal]

That's something a 9700X and 9070 XT user would say (you're not wrong though)

[median frigate]

Game developers need to start optimizing their games to run on a 1070 with these prices these days

[acoustic palm]

And ngl considering I got this pc for 1200 while overpaying on looks

[idle nexus]

lol somehow it drops to 43fps

I'm doing something wrong here

[mortal grail]

Motor ur purple

It feels wrong

[idle nexus]

oh waiiiit

[craggy shoal]

I'm purple ;)

[idle nexus]

let me connect 1080ti to monitor

[hoary zodiac]

Motor is royalty

[mortal grail]

I should just make you blue again

[median frigate]

Bro and people spend 3k on some trash Mac 😭

[mortal grail]

That'll normalise the server

[hoary zodiac]

OH MY GOD

Belgium has a lot of coal

[acoustic palm]

I have a 2k MacBook lmao

[hoary zodiac]

And 2 iron tiles

[mortal grail]

Sure

[hoary zodiac]

I'm industrialising the hell out of wallonia

[median frigate]

I'm in the airforce bro and the things I've seen people spend there money on

[acoustic palm]

Oh I got it for free

[median frigate]

I had someone arguing with me that Macs were better for gaming

[acoustic palm]

Also I’m getting 2 more 6tb hdd for free 🙂

[mortal grail]

They have like 3 games over there lol wat

[median frigate]

Yeah probably from your work right

[acoustic palm]

From my dad

My dad gives me way too much tech stuff lmao

[idle nexus]

okay fr this time I hope

[mortal grail]

@median frigate are you sure they weren't just a masochist trying to escape from financing their 3 grand laptop paperweight

[median frigate]

Yeah they don't even play games

[mortal grail]

💀

[median frigate]

They were just saying if they wanted to it would be better than my pc

😭

[acoustic palm]

Mine literally is a paper weight

I barely use it

64gb of ram and 4tb of storage for what 😭

[median frigate]

"you built that pc 3 years ago this Mac is new"

[mortal grail]

Macs are great until you realise they're just Dell XPS' with an even bigger brand tax

[median frigate]

"and it connects with my phone and watch"

[acoustic palm]

My dad has reasons to use em so

[mortal grail]

MacOS has it's uses I'm sure

M4 mini's are OP don't get me wrong lol

[median frigate]

I can't even use one Idk how to do anything mac related

[mortal grail]

Wait til he learns your pc connects too

[median frigate]

I had to watch a youtube video on how to restart one

[frigid stag]

I want a macbook but the notch will probably bother me

[acoustic palm]

My dad has a 96gb ram and 4tb storage MacBook

[mortal grail]

[median frigate]

I used to do IT as well and anytime there was a problem with a Mac there was one dude on the team everyone would send the ticket too

[acoustic palm]

He has… 4 MacBooks now?

That he uses

[frigid stag]

Damn

[mortal grail]

Isn't that like a 5 grand laptop

[acoustic palm]

Yup

[mortal grail]

Jfc

Is he a movie director or something

[median frigate]

I have no real need for a laptop tbh

[acoustic palm]

Cybersecurity teacher

[mortal grail]

....

That's a-

[frigid stag]

[acoustic palm]

He has a main, a backup, a secondary, a secondary backup

[mortal grail]

That's a weird combo for IT security

Lmao

[median frigate]

He runs Linux on it

[mortal grail]

That would tie it all together nvm

[acoustic palm]

He runs Linux on his 60tb nas

And his home server

Wait I mixed those up

He runs it on his home server not his nas idk what im on rn

[frigid stag]

Damn neither of my parents know how to do any of those

[median frigate]

I gotta up my knowledge on pc stuff so I don't gotta ask you guys so many questions lol

[acoustic palm]

Damn

[frigid stag]

My mom can barely use newer windows without asking me or calling me how to do something

[craggy shoal]

My parents don't know how to do anything I know how to do lol

[median frigate]

I at least know how to build one confidently but not the best at descerning which parts are best

[frigid stag]

And I don’t even know how to explain it cuz Windows 11 is just a whole different thing

I’ve used it for maybe less than an hour

[acoustic palm]

I can do lists, just not building (well)

[velvet summit]

https://imgur.com/a/VzGp9Th

[median frigate]

Mobo manual is goated

Only thing that confused me when I built my first one was the fan hub

[frigid stag]

Unpopular opinion but most build guides just put people off cause they overcomplicate things

[velvet summit]

most manuals are goated

hell, man is goated

[median frigate]

But that was actually simple

[frigid stag]

Instruction manual >

[velvet summit]

https://linux.die.net/man/

[median frigate]

Fr bro it's really just following the manual

Tells you what everything is on the board

[velvet summit]

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/man.1.html

ong

[mortal grail]

Counterpoint

Asking everyone how to build it just puts everyone else off instead

Lmao

[velvet summit]

i mean also not really

they do provide important detail

[median frigate]

The first one I built I sent like 20 pics here to confirm 💀

[idle nexus]

lol how is this worse than single GPU rn

[velvet summit]

honestly i hate (video) build guides though
i much rather have a pdf build guide

[frigid stag]

When I watched them initially they were just talking about random things I didn’t understand

[velvet summit]

which i believe people have also done

but text is way easier to skim than a video

[frigid stag]

Read Instruction manual, learned how to do it within 15 mins

[mortal grail]

Regardless

[median frigate]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4V4t4p

[mortal grail]

I prefer them as I'm not gonna sit here for 6 hours answering every question (This has happened before I'm no longer nice)

[median frigate]

This gotta be the best price to performance build rn

[acoustic palm]

No

[median frigate]

Actually the 9800x3d is probably overkill

[mortal grail]

The 990 is a weird pick but ok

[median frigate]

For most right?

[mortal grail]

9800X3D is fine

[median frigate]

Haven't bought that yet

Is there something else you'd choose?

[mortal grail]

C910

Half the price

Nearly the same perf in normal use cases

[median frigate]

For loading servers in rust?

[frigid stag]

T500 is op

[mortal grail]

Oh server hosts

[velvet summit]

no way, a free monitor and free keyboard and free mouse

[mortal grail]

Ok one sec

[median frigate]

I gotta be able to load into rust server the fastest lol

[frigid stag]

Look into optane maybe

[median frigate]

Actually I think loading a server in rust isn't related to your computer speed

[frigid stag]

Lowest latency storage

[mortal grail]

Oh loading into

[median frigate]

Nah I ain't tryna host it

Just load the world and join it the fastest

[mortal grail]

Debloat >>>> highest performance

[velvet summit]

why you speedrunning

[median frigate]

Gotta be the fastest on wipe day to your build spot

[idle nexus]

bruh GPU 1: 95%; GPU 2: 100% fps=21?

the mouse feels terrible lol

[worn wave]

my schools' IT lead uses a Chromebook...

[mortal grail]

Yeah really not seeing anything worth it rn
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/99RwrH/klevv-cras-c910-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-k01tbm2sp0-c91

[mortal grail]

Schools don't count

Schools all use weird hardware choices for "Security" lmao

[worn wave]

*college if that makes a difference

(the IT lead is new and screwing everything up)

[fresh timber]

I can’t wait to go to college

[mortal grail]

They will use chromebooks because the executives wanted to

[fresh timber]

No more Chromebook!

[proud jackal]

I THINK I NEED ANOTHER 4TB DRIVE

[worn wave]

no this is a personal choice lmao

[fresh timber]

Make a nas

[mortal grail]

That's just pain

[worn wave]

yup

[sinful blade]

Theo organize your drives holy hell

[idle nexus]

I name mine A: B: C: D:

otherwise it bothers me

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[acoustic palm]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how stupid would it be for me to get 2 2TB c910

[mortal grail]

@median frigate This would be like actually fastest but the point of it is redundant https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KmfxFT/teamgroup-t-force-ga-pro-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8ffj001t0c129

You don't get the value out of spending that much over a C910

[worthy meteor]

0 if you need the storage

[idle nexus]

organized but C:\ needs more stuff

[acoustic palm]

Uhhhh… I’ll have 13tb of storage in my new pc

[worthy meteor]

I'm just chilling

[acoustic palm]

12tb hdd 1tb ssd

[idle nexus]

oh I got my MP33 from RMA finally

now that I have both the Sabrent & the MP33

they've gone back to sitting on my desk like they did before when they were broken lol

[misty sparrow]

don't mind the name

[mortal grail]

@median frigate Reason why I say this is games like rust will have like, milliseconds difference to gen 5 over any plain old gen 4 or 3, and mere seconds over sata because the IOPS speed of games aren't fast enough to leverage the extra speed anyway

[worthy meteor]

hey rust load times actually kind of scale with faster drives

[mortal grail]

Once you hit the point of nvme, a well done install debloated properly is the hands down winner vs any super fast drive

[acoustic palm]

I just want more ssd storage tbh

[mortal grail]

Debloat in every single case is ALWAYS better

[worthy meteor]

true

[worn wave]

yeah for gaming you can go real cheap on nvme. c910 is TLC tho which is nice for longevity

[worthy meteor]

But with the same OS state, you can still get up to 20s faster on gen 4 over gen 3

it's just huge loads

[worn wave]

rust 💀

[mortal grail]

On rust??

[worthy meteor]

ye on bigger maps with preexisting structures

not fresh server

[mortal grail]

Are you sure

Sata to NVMe is 2%

[worthy meteor]

it's my experience with bigger maps

esp anything big with over 1 week uptime

[mortal grail]

Same pc same install?

[worthy meteor]

not official that does weekly wipes

ye

[mortal grail]

Mmmm idk how much I'd believe it then

Cos really stripped installs just beat the pants off it to a point where scaling is never worth that 1%

[worn wave]

rust is not exactly known for its optimization

[worthy meteor]

maybe

[mortal grail]

I'm sure there is something there with a 2 minute load time

But like, it will be literal seconds

[worthy meteor]

I mean I'm kinda weird by rust player standards

[mortal grail]

And as @frigid stag pointed out, used optane >>>>> gen 5 if there's enough of a load to bring that difference out

[worthy meteor]

I'm not the people that sweat on official

I play bigger maps with longer uptime, like monthly wipes

[mortal grail]

Optane would strip any nvme just cos consistent peak load

[worthy meteor]

rip 3dxpoint though

[mortal grail]

Used optane isn't unobtanium tho

[worthy meteor]

true, it's basically all used though

[mortal grail]

Like if it really matters that much, make it a genuinely good one

[unreal chasm]

M.2 PCIe 5.0 X2 or M.2 PCIe 5.0 X4 ?

Does it depend on the motherboard?

[mortal grail]

x2 is just gen 4 x4

And no if you are just doing a gaming build we do not recommend gen 5 to anyone

Gen 5 makes sense to like 1% of 1%

[unreal chasm]

ight thank you

[mortal grail]

Klevv Cras C910 >>> Gen 5

@median frigate consider this https://www.ebay.com/itm/286202075540

[median frigate]

Ah I see wym

[mortal grail]

Like if you truly can see the difference from it

905P >>>>> anything else

[median frigate]

Wait but that's only 280gbs

[unreal chasm]

do you have a gen4 1tb m.2 suggestion

[mortal grail]

Mb lemme find better

https://www.ebay.com/itm/267104718377

Here

[mortal grail]

Klevv cras c910

$51 usd

OP value

[frigid stag]

It’s pretty expensive though

You might want the gen 5 instead when you see the price of optane

[mortal grail]

Again, if he can see the genuine difference that much, 905p would be better

[worthy meteor]

optane is just how you get the best rnd performance

[unreal chasm]

im buying new exclusively but is it a good pick for 89 for the 5000mb/s or 151 for the 5200mb/s

[worthy meteor]

there's no beating optane for rnd

[idle nexus]

now I get why it seemed like fps was dropping with this whole scaling thing going

58fps is the input fps

[mortal grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/99RwrH/klevv-cras-c910-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-k01tbm2sp0-c91

[idle nexus]

117 is output

[mortal grail]

Pick this

[median frigate]

Yeah bro seconds is huge in rust

[worthy meteor]

5000 and 5200 is gonna end up basically the same

[fresh timber]

Unironically one of the best ssd you suggested

[worthy meteor]

its just e16 speeds

[idle nexus]

so 1080ti is doing the framegen & 3060 is doing the rest

[mortal grail]

Then the 905p honestly

[unreal chasm]

figured

[median frigate]

It's faster then the c910?

[mortal grail]

Just double check the mobo has the slot to support a x4 gen 3 pcie**

And yes

It'll beat any nvme you can buy rn

Random perf is unbeatable

[frigid stag]

Oh ye

Just check prices first

[devout forum]

What's the FPS/CineBench score difference between 6000CL30 and JEDEC DDR5

[mortal grail]

Virtually nothing

Cos cinebench isn't a ram test

[fresh timber]

Jokes on you I ruin my random reads and writes accessing it over the network

[devout forum]

I remember reading the AMD blog and saying that with Ryzen CPU performance is aided by a lot with fast memory

[median frigate]

What makes it so much better just curious still don't fully understand lol

[idle nexus]

is 117fps @1440p in RE4 with most settings maxed out good for 3060+1080ti/13600K(stonk)/7200c34 2x24gb? I don't even know tbh lol

[worthy meteor]

yea higher IF clocks helps with performance but it barely shows up in cinebench if at all

[mortal grail]

Cinebench doesn't leverage dram caching

It's purely cpu/ L cache

If L cache at all

[devout forum]

Nor do games?

[mortal grail]

It doesn't even reach L3

[idle nexus]

Cinebench (at least anything from original to R23) score won't change regardless of your memory timings

[mortal grail]

Games use cache

Cinebench really doesn't like games do

[idle nexus]

tbh I hate Cinebench lol

[median frigate]

rust has entered the chat

[idle nexus]

it's noob benchmark

[honest birch]

Cinebench is a bad synthetic test

[devout forum]

Okay then let me rephrase
What's the difference between JEDEC and 600CL30 DDR5 when you actually get to take advantage of the extra bandwidth/caching/whatever makes it important?

[mortal grail]

Rust is one of the few best use cases for X3D cache lmao

[devout forum]

I don't know the technical term here

[mortal grail]

Quite sizeable

Where it counts you can see 20%+ scaling

[devout forum]

10-15%?

[worthy meteor]

ballpark number up to 15%

[devout forum]

Ah

[worn night]

it looks like its using ur cpu's graphics

[idle nexus]

I mean it's cool for getting basics like multiplier, bclk, vCore, & LLC but otherwise it's a cooling ability/silicon lottery test if you ask me

[devout forum]

Ye that

Is major

[median frigate]

Insane difference lol

[honest birch]

With some actual tuning even more, hynix is like kinda set and forget

[worthy meteor]

I remember some jedec 5200 v 5600 testing on launch at 10% or so

[idle nexus]

I don't think I even have iGPU drivers installed tbh

[worn night]

Guys is it ok for my 8gb test stick of ddr5 which is meant for 4800 mt/s to be clocked at 6000 mt/s

[mortal grail]

The "I can do it in 5 minutes if I use synced" type of tuning life yeah

[worthy meteor]

depends on what the timings are

[worn night]

i'd make sure the displayport/hdmi is plugged in the right port

[worthy meteor]

if timings are auto yea it's just gonna be terrible timings

[idle nexus]

I remember the last time I watched Jayztwocents, he claimed you didn't need to get good RAM cuz it didn't help your cinebench or port royal scores--neither of which are affected at ALL by memory speeds

[mortal grail]

Some ddr5 can't run 6000

Namely

[worn night]

i think its auto

[mortal grail]

Or rather specifically

Micron A

[devout forum]

Oh ye @mortal grail
Apparently there is now 6000CL26 memory available
As well as 8000CL28

[mortal grail]

Lmao

Micron A barely runs 6000

[worthy meteor]

I mean if hwbot boints is your goal yea

[median frigate]

Is jay2cents a good source for learning more stuff

[mortal grail]

Those are cudimms, useless on AM5

[frigid stag]

This is probably a better source for learning

[mortal grail]

If you want to learn the unga bunga way

[median frigate]

I've watched some of his Vids but I mainly watch Linus whenever I'm researching stuff

[worn night]

Its just gonna be like this until i get new ram

[honest birch]

Not really no

[frigid stag]

Intel website got so many good guides

[median frigate]

Bro what's that mean🤣

[devout forum]

To be fair, he's specifically in the circles of overclocking CPU+GPU, memory is less important in the benchmarks he usually runs

[median frigate]

What about Linus tho he's good right?

[frigid stag]

Depends where youre at

[honest birch]

Oh boy

[worthy meteor]

I mean samsung and hynix can both do 6000 with loose timings and some voltage lol

[frigid stag]

😬

[median frigate]

Or at least his team

I mean

[idle nexus]

GPU 1 is RTX 3060 (set as preferred GPU in System Settings>Display>Graphics) GPU 2 is GTX1080ti (Preferred GPU in Lossless Scaling). DP is connected to monitor from 1080ti. Am I doing it right? lol

[frigid stag]

Start with Twitter latency enthusiasts

[worthy meteor]

their lab stuff, sometimes good, linus himself, very hit or miss

[devout forum]

Has AMD said anything about maybe supporting CUDIMMs?

[mortal grail]

Exactly as he'd say it. He'd "what's that mean?" press stuff until he learns

Unga bunga ddr5 tuning

What this button do?

[frigid stag]

His older videos are better

[idle nexus]

well he cherry picked the two worst benchmarks to show how memory affects performance lol

[median frigate]

Who's the best to watch to learn pc stuff then

[frigid stag]

He doesn’t really deal with ddr5 overclocking

[frigid stag]

Intel website probably

They got lot of guides

[worthy meteor]

buildzoid if you have a lot of free time and are willing to listen to rants lol

[devout forum]

I'm not saying it's good.
I'm saying for his very specific use case it could be true

But generally memory matters a lot now

[fresh timber]

He’s entertainment

[idle nexus]

lol "PC stuff" is kinda vague

[wicked oriole]

So I realized I have to basically redo my whole pc, I ordered an ssd, mobo and about to get a cpu. When I do bios/windows installation do I need a cooler on the cpu? I just need to make sure it would be able to boot so when I get my case and aio figured out I'll have a decent installation.

[fresh timber]

Teach me overclocking stuff frfr

[median frigate]

Yeah I just wanna know how to pick the best parts and not have to ask any questions

[mortal grail]

Newegg discord

[median frigate]

Same with building in general

[mortal grail]

[worthy meteor]

Yes, you need something on the CPU to cool it to boot, otherwise it'd likely just overheat (and beep at you if it has speakers) without booting

[idle nexus]

if Jay used ycruncher to show how unimportant RAM speed is, he'd look as ridiculous to his audience as he did to anyone who knows about benchmarks when he used Port Royal & CB lol

[frigid stag]

Intel website would prevent 90% of troubleshooting 😴

[fresh timber]

Give me 128gb

[median frigate]

My friends might wanna build PCs too so I gotta put them on to what's best 😂

[frigid stag]

[mortal grail]

Chips and cheese is good if you want like, trained professionally type learning, skatterbench too

GN is good for reviews

[frigid stag]

Don’t throw them into the deep end

[mortal grail]

Buildzoid for some decent electronic learning

[fresh timber]

I don’t see a problem using CB if it’s not your only benchmark

[wicked oriole]

Appreciate that. I'll just rip the aio out of my current build for the booting process then

[median frigate]

32gb is quickly becoming the standard

[idle nexus]

ya just ask around here. The stuff I know is form talking to people here for the most part

[mortal grail]

Techpowerup is ok for technical details

[idle nexus]

beyond that it's mostly trial & error

[mortal grail]

FPS benchmarks are hit and miss tho

[worthy meteor]

branch education for general specifics

[mortal grail]

Tom's hardware is good

HWbusters is excellent

[worthy meteor]

wait tpu has a youtube channel?

[worn night]

Uh no i think you should plug it into the 3060, just try as a matter of fact

[frigid stag]

This is written some time ago but still kinda relevant

[wicked oriole]

Also dumb question, do I do windows installation on another pc then put the ssd into the new mobo?

[mortal grail]

They do but not much depth

[worn night]

No

[worthy meteor]

he's doing the lossless scaling framgen using a different GPU thing

[worn night]

do you want me to walk you through it

[mortal grail]

Derbauer is quite good

[worn night]

well then idk what im talking abt in that area lol

im a 1 gpu kinda guy

[wicked oriole]

I don't have all the parts in front of me so not at the moment but I will be back lol

[median frigate]

When did you guys get into overclocking? I probably should've tried on my last build since it was starting to become ass

[mortal grail]

HUB has great sources if you can ignore anything with ram dependency

[wicked oriole]

When I was getting bad lows in 4k lol

[mortal grail]

GPU and vrm tests from them are pretty concise

[frigid stag]

Needing more fps

[idle nexus]

I'll try that. I thought I remembered hearing in eh... maybe Daniel Owens's video on lossless that you plug it into the GPU that does the frame gen? kinda makes sense cuz that would be the last stop before the monitor but I could be wrong so I'll run it again. It also might not matter lol

[worthy meteor]

most part reviewers are kinda bad with ram

[median frigate]

I probably won't since my new pc gonna be insane

[worn night]

Nice lol if you want you can friend me and I can assist you when you do build it

[worthy meteor]

especially anandtech but they haven't been relevant for a while after ian left

[median frigate]

My last pc definitely could've used it tho

[worn night]

im clueless on the subject lol

[frigid stag]

Kinda learned from them and then found the other stuff

[wicked oriole]

That would be amazing

[mortal grail]

Another decent one ye

[fresh nova]

Hey anyone see that dude I met in Walmart here? He told me to join.

[worthy meteor]

lmao

[mortal grail]

When I found out my vengeance ram could be faster.

[frigid stag]

@sinful blade i think that’s your guy

[median frigate]

Was it a huge diff for you?

[mortal grail]

Then I learned vengeance sucked

[idle nexus]

ya the problem with RAM is unless you really care about RAM, you don't care about RAM. I remember trying to watch GN & Linus's videos explaining RAM & neither seemed very helpful at the time

[mortal grail]

And I improved tremendously

[frigid stag]

For gpu kinda, for the rest not really, cause I found out my ram couldn’t overclock well

[idle nexus]

heck I wonder if I could find my first overclocking question on this discord because this was the first place I ever mentioned it iirc

[mortal grail]

They still aren't

The best teachers for RAM for me is wegg

[worthy meteor]

ram just has too many moving parts tbh

[mortal grail]

r/OC just abused me

[worthy meteor]

buildzoid should have a good video for specifics

[mortal grail]

Wegg actually taught me things

BZ is good for like basic knowledge

He's honestly not the best ram overclocker

[worthy meteor]

yea but he can actually pull up the spec sheets and explain everything lol

[fresh timber]

I wanna see more 7200mt/s

[mortal grail]

Yes he's great with technical details, not with practical details

[worthy meteor]

he's more knowledge and not rules for OC

[frigid stag]

Search through Twitter and blur busters and you’ll find out some things

[worthy meteor]

I kinda separate the two

[idle nexus]

lol I remember annoying Forks in VC cuz I kept calling my 10900K a one, zero, nine, zero, zero, K

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah blur busters

Excellent source

[median frigate]

But how much fps gain are you really gonna get from ocing ur ram

[mortal grail]

Rtings as well

Eloshapes

Man I suppressed all of those wtf

[median frigate]

Is it worth all the trouble for a 2 fps increase

[mortal grail]

Displayninja iirc can have some excellent reviews

[worthy meteor]

make it 20 with better frametime consistency

[frigid stag]

Depends on game maybe 30 %

[worthy meteor]

the goal that people aim for

[median frigate]

20 would be worth it

[mortal grail]

If you do it correctly, quite a bit for rust tbh. First couple times tho, if you're too brave, you'll make it worse not better

[worthy meteor]

main improvement is the 1% lows iirc

[median frigate]

What does ocing it do tho to increase the fps?

[mortal grail]

Main point is doing it correctly

[fresh timber]

I wish more reviewers compared older hardware with newer hardware, like a 9070xt with like a 7600 or even 12600k

[frigid stag]

Lower timings higher frequency

[mortal grail]

Improves latency and bandwidth for higher level caching

[fresh timber]

I can get better lows

[worthy meteor]

TPU has like 6 years of hardware on their lists lol

ton of old stuff

[median frigate]

means the cpu can process the memory faster?

[mortal grail]

Yes

It's not as limited by it

PC's are all about limits

[devout forum]

I mean arguably
Going beyond 6000CL30 for Ryzen is kind of pointless

Intel loves as fast as possible memory tho

[mortal grail]

Bottlenecks if you will, but we don't talk about bottlenecks

By OC'ing you raise certain limits so the PC doesn't bounce off them as much

[worthy meteor]

you're gonna have to access memory for one thing or another either way, if you can access that memory faster, you save on waiting time

[devout forum]

I wonder how the image would change if higher speed memory would be stable with Ryzen

[idle nexus]

oh man the internet really is forever. I was so tempted to edit this but I'll just own it lmao

[median frigate]

Why is that the case for ryzen can it not handle more past that?

[worthy meteor]

imc not great

usually only up to like 6400 2:1

[idle nexus]

MSI MPG Z490 woo

[worthy meteor]

need to be unsynced above that

[devout forum]

Isn't 2:1 also have a major performance penalty?

[idle nexus]

I have that motherboard somewhere lol

[devout forum]

Compared to 1:1

[worthy meteor]

and that loses performance until like 10000

[median frigate]

My friend had his ram at 6400 and his pc kept shutting off

[frigid stag]

Unstable

[mortal grail]

Intel has the same issue it's just in a different manifestation

[median frigate]

Then he switched it to 6000 and he was fine

[mortal grail]

Intel has gear 1 2 4

[worthy meteor]

iirc ddr5 is all 2:1, it's either all 1:1 or all 2:1

[frigid stag]

Picture is so pixelated

[idle nexus]

I got 6600 to POST but couldn't even get it through ycruncher 1b

[worthy meteor]

actually might be thinking Intel, everything gear 2

[idle nexus]

Intel is G2 for DDR5

[worthy meteor]

ye for ddr5

[mortal grail]

Ryzen has Sync desync 1:1:1 or 2:1:1 or inf:1:1 or inf:2:1

[rancid juniper]

Gear 2 = slow mo mode

[frigid stag]

Ye imc can’t run ddr5 speeds on intel that’s why

[worthy meteor]

from 6000 up to like 8000

[mortal grail]

The syncing implies a physical limit for the bandwidth

So like

You know hdmi

Imagine hdmi 1.4 and 2.1

[rancid juniper]

DDR5 10000M/T igpus probably like that one

[idle nexus]

for some reason I aim for FCLK to be 2/3 of MCLK

[mortal grail]

1.4 is 6000 on amd

2.1 is higher on amd, like 8000

It's not the best example but in terms of the limits of what the cpu itself can do

It's not far off

The cpu can't physically go faster without changing the way it runs

[devout forum]

So very fast memory would supercharge Ryzen but rn we can't have that cuz IMC weaksauce

[mortal grail]

Yep

The IMC is the weak link

Which is why next gen ryzen will be a huge jump

[worthy meteor]

imc skill issue

[fresh timber]

Me while Intel can do 8000

[mortal grail]

Current ryzen still uses the same kind of IMC as zen 3

[idle nexus]

so 6600 (3300) = 2200 FCLK
6400 (3200) = 2133 FCLK
6200 (3100) = 2066 FCLK

[mortal grail]

next gen will be all new

[fresh timber]

Intel is 7200 gear 1 irrc

[idle nexus]

but maybe I'm just making crap up

[devout forum]

That kinda sucks

However if and when a sufficient IMC is available, oh boy will those Hynix kits that everyone should get overclock hardcore

[rancid juniper]

intel doesn't care about ram much well on raptorlake

[mortal grail]

2

[idle nexus]

2 for sure

[fresh timber]

Oof

[worthy meteor]

do we have any monolithic chips on am5?

[devout forum]

Hold on

[mortal grail]

apus

[fresh timber]

8000

[idle nexus]

you know

[worthy meteor]

are they monolithic?

[sinful blade]

[devout forum]

Isn't the IMC for DDR5 on the modules?

[mortal grail]

yep

[worthy meteor]

thought it's all chiplet still

[idle nexus]

there's a 4 core epyc that sockets AM5

[worthy meteor]

lemme double check

[devout forum]

Or what am I mixing it up with?

[mortal grail]

I/O die

[rancid juniper]

wait does RDNA 4 still use the chiplet design or they dropped it?

guessing the latter

[mortal grail]

dropped

Guys

Slow down

[rancid juniper]

lol

[mortal grail]

😂

Literally rapid firing questions rn

[rancid juniper]

Gotta overclock your brain rq

[idle nexus]

I'm serious https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/server/epyc/4004-series/amd-epyc-4124p.html

fastest 4-core

makes my 12100F look silly

[devout forum]

Then what's on the modules if the IMC is on the CPU?

[mortal grail]

The cpu cores

[rancid juniper]

better than i3 14100???

[mortal grail]

IO die + 1 or 2 CCD's in banks of 6 or 8 cores each

[devout forum]

No like

[mortal grail]

The ram?

Clockgen on cudimm

[devout forum]

I remember that DDR5 moved something to the memory modules instead of the CPU

[mortal grail]

Voltage regulation

[worthy meteor]

monolithic AMD chips have historically been better with hitting higher IF from io being also on a better process but not sure if that applied for this gen

[devout forum]

Aite so that's what I mixed it up with lol

[mortal grail]

All ddr5 manages voltage rails via the sticks themselves for better signal

[worthy meteor]

does look like 8600g and co are monolithic

[mortal grail]

newer DDR5 has cudimm

[misty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/chromebook-calvin124-school-210078-gif-20377493

[mortal grail]

So a clock gen chip to match the requested speed

[rancid juniper]

waiting for those RDNA 3.5 desktop apus

gonna be interesting

[devout forum]

I'm hoping Zen6 will support CUDIMM

[mortal grail]

But the board needs to know what the clockgen chip is

[fresh timber]

They cost too much

[mortal grail]

Otherwise no dice

[idle nexus]

top 20 4-core 7zip

[rancid juniper]

that is a negative but in due time itll drop to something reasonable

[devout forum]

It's bound to have new IMCs so you might as well make it support the newest tech

[mortal grail]

Possible

[idle nexus]

oh wait

[devout forum]

That might be interesting

[idle nexus]

there's another contender I forgot agbout

12600HX

[mortal grail]

That could also serve as a whole generational uplift itself so they won't necessarily use it

[idle nexus]

someone took laptop CPU & put it on LGA1700

[hot pumice]

ur thinking of the pmic

[devout forum]

Imagine X3D with incredible memory performance

[mortal grail]

Yeah mb pmic is the word

It's a voltage regulator tho

[devout forum]

Ye that's the one, Felix helped me out but thanks to you too

[idle nexus]

CLK driver?

[mortal grail]

CLKGEN is cudimm

[hot pumice]

yeah it's just a lil vrm

[mortal grail]

So they basically applied the pmic idea to clocks as well for cudimm

[hot pumice]

i wana see someone epower a dimm eventually that'd be funny

[idle nexus]

12600HX beats Epyc 4124P for 4-core ycroncher tho

[hot pumice]

surprising

[mortal grail]

Melted sticks would be wild

[hot pumice]

the substrate on those screws mem signal integrity

[fresh timber]

Not negative, they cost too much cause I can’t afford it

[hot pumice]

does 4124p not have avx512?

[worthy meteor]

don't think we're power limited on ddr5 rn though

[hot pumice]

only reason i can imagine 12600hx would beat it is avx512

[mortal grail]

It should do

[worthy meteor]

nothing like b die scaling up to like 1.8v+

[mortal grail]

But zen 5 is 512, 4 is 256 plus 256

[hot pumice]

alder 512 is pretty doodoo as well

[mortal grail]

Idk if 4124 is 4 or 5

[fresh timber]

Imaging wanting avx512

[idle nexus]

lol I couldn't figure out why my CPU stayed so cool running AVX512 until I realized it drops clocks to freaking 4400

[rancid juniper]

cursed chinese products pt. 69

[hot pumice]

i mean id rather have it than not have it

[devout forum]

Is 512 like important really?

[hot pumice]

no

[fresh timber]

Intel doesn’t have it

[worthy meteor]

for specific loads

[fresh timber]

So no

[mortal grail]

I would be surprised if a marketed workstation/server cpu wouldn't have avx512 support

[idle nexus]

lol it's arguably the best 4c/8t CPU besides Epyc 4124P

[mortal grail]

Lol

[hot pumice]

no offset u can disable?

[rancid juniper]

XD

[devout forum]

Intel doesn't have product stability either so IG that's also not important kek

[idle nexus]

couldn't find one tbh

[hot pumice]

512 on alder draws less power than avx2 even

[rancid juniper]

ok but AVX 1024 when?

should be better

[median frigate]

Phantom spirit ftw

[misty sparrow]

hm

[idle nexus]

I forget what my 12900K did on AVX512

I got one of those old ones

[hot pumice]

probably same as avx2 tbh

[mortal grail]

AVX 2048

[hot pumice]

how is it that ycruncher is still the only bench that uses 512 lol

[mortal grail]

NO

AVX2077

[rancid juniper]

finally something strong FOR RPCS3

[hot pumice]

or wait dosent geekbench have one run that uses 512

[mortal grail]

[Ripperdoc intensifies]

[hot pumice]

i need kiroshi implants

[idle nexus]

lol ehh it pulled 334w with ecores disabled with direct die waterblock

[rancid juniper]

wait speaking of rpcs3 im surprised no one has tested the 9950x3d on that emulator

[worthy meteor]

just need to overclock eye now

[hot pumice]

isnt power draw borked on the older microcode that allows 512?

or is that a raptor thing

[mortal grail]

It's been done, meh improvement at best

[rancid juniper]

proof?

[hot pumice]

i remember one of them doing vid*current instead of actual vcore

[idle nexus]

I really need to dismantle 3080ti/12900K & rebench 12900K with A-die

[rancid juniper]

[mortal grail]

RPCS3 doesn't use enough 512 for it to matter

I forgot the source

[rancid juniper]

bruh

[mortal grail]

Uh

Phoronix...?

[rancid juniper]

lemme check

[idle nexus]

AVX512 on my G7400 went pretty nuts

[mortal grail]

It's been done tho

[worthy meteor]

didn't raptor just not get 512 at all

[hot pumice]

that'd be fun asf

2 core globals huge

[rancid juniper]

nope

[worthy meteor]

think alder had 512 for a while and then they patched

[mortal grail]

It did

I had one

"AVX512F"

[hot pumice]

u can still get it on older alder chips

[hot pumice]

it's called that on everything isnt it?

[idle nexus]

100C on 2-core

[worthy meteor]

microcode update for some exploit iirc

[mortal grail]

Idk tbh

[mortal grail]

Lol

[idle nexus]

you can edit microcode

just gotta figure out how to get BIOS re-signed

[mortal grail]

Ah tpu mb

[frigid stag]

What batch number

[mortal grail]

Told u tho

[idle nexus]

heck what program was that again...

[mortal grail]

Not a number

[rancid juniper]

userbenchmark still haven't reviewed the 9950x3d

i think bro blew up his house

[mortal grail]

You had to find old marked chips

[hot pumice]

idk about other boards but z690 ux lets u use the latest bios and still load avx512 microcode

[frigid stag]

Should be certain date range no?

Wdym old marked

[mortal grail]

I mean the easier way to tell is

If you see the intel ring

It's 512

[hot pumice]

oh wait now that i think about it

[mortal grail]

If you see like, 2 squares

No 512

[hot pumice]

the cpu i messed with was felix's and it was on his board too lmao

[rancid juniper]

ok but why exactly did intel disable 512? was it expensive?

[mortal grail]

Uh yeah

Lmao

[frigid stag]

So og box 129K is easy way to tell?

With golden wafer

[mortal grail]

That one has 512

[hot pumice]

yeah

[devout forum]

I think he's went out to steal some some Empress Catherine-strength copium to somehow make himself delusional enough to somehow write a negative review of it
He'll be back

[rancid juniper]

because both motorstorm games on my 13600k runs like poop

[hot pumice]

i could load 512 microcode on latest bios all i had to do was disable ecores

[rancid juniper]

im cooked

😭

[frigid stag]

Ig I’ll order a few and find out

[hot pumice]

kpx and kryoe look disgusting there

[mortal grail]

People were still using weird pastes back then, not mine

Lmao

[frigid stag]

I could call the store and ask them but they’ll probably think something’s wrong for me asking about rectangles and ovals

[mortal grail]

Wth do you need 512 for

[worthy meteor]

oh there was a lawsuit lmao

[rancid juniper]

?

[frigid stag]

Certain games benefit from it

Nice to have as well

[hot pumice]

rarely

[worthy meteor]

came out of https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/09/intel_downfall_lawsuit/

think avx512 going away had to deal with that

[frigid stag]

I mean so is hyperthreading

[hot pumice]

512 is basically entirely irrelevant unless u play emulated games or do hwbot

[frigid stag]

Ig they got rid of it too

[hot pumice]

hyperthreading being removed im fine with

ecores r just a better version

[worthy meteor]

but muh hwbot points

[devout forum]

It's literally just a scorepadding thing for the most part

[rancid juniper]

pay 2 win dlc

[devout forum]

With how poor the implementation can be

[hot pumice]

scorepadding?

[frigid stag]

Proving them wrong. Based

[honest birch]

Anything after 12th gen has 0 chance of having it

And new 12th gen cpus won't have it

[rancid juniper]

oh well

[honest birch]

You had to disables e-core to enable avx512

[tranquil pebble]

That is such a generalized statement as to be absurd

[frigid stag]

There’s new 12th gen?

[honest birch]

Then they just decided to fuse it off

[hot pumice]

he means newer batches

[honest birch]

Well i mean newer

[hot pumice]

only early batches had 512

[mortal grail]

Which games tho

[frigid stag]

It is literally what some people say

[hot pumice]

there's actually a single 12900ks with 512 iirc

[honest birch]

Lmao

[tranquil pebble]

it might be true that MOST games do not use it, but you can not say that none at all do

[hot pumice]

i think it was a splave chip

[mortal grail]

Apex is AVX/2

[misty sparrow]

Games also don't use PhysX

[mortal grail]

512 is used for like RPCS3 and that's basically it

[idle nexus]

MMTool

[mortal grail]

Maybe a handful of mid 2010 games

[idle nexus]

you can edit BIOS & change microcode

[fresh timber]

@mortal grail new gpu for you to recommend

[mortal grail]

Ik

[tranquil pebble]

PS3 emulation instruction set XD

[mortal grail]

7650 GRE also

[hot pumice]

if every cpu had avx512 then maybe we'd see it being implemented more

but nooooo intel is stupid

[worn night]

Holy good deal but thats been out for a bit

[idle nexus]

https://getpctop.com/programs/mmtool/

[mortal grail]

Paywall opportunity

[hot pumice]

lmao

[tranquil pebble]

AVX-1024 when /j

[hot pumice]

$10 a month for 512

[worthy meteor]

didn't Intel have the OC warranty thing for a while and no one used it

[hot pumice]

the what

[devout forum]

Anyone remember when Intel did actually do DLC for CPU features?

[mortal grail]

Lol uncharted is one of the only games that scale from 512 on pc

[worthy meteor]

lemme find it

[worn night]

Bro are these legit

[rancid juniper]

imagine microsoft for whatever reason decided that on their next windows version AVX512 is a requirement to install and run the OS

[hot pumice]

windows 512

[devout forum]

Do AMD have it?

[rancid juniper]

yea

[hot pumice]

yes

[rancid juniper]

ryzen 9000

[devout forum]

Heh

[hot pumice]

am5 has full 512

[honest birch]

It's also for switch emulation

[hot pumice]

even more full than x299 even

[devout forum]

Wait even Ryzen 7000?

[frigid stag]

[mortal grail]

Pretty much this

[mortal grail]

Switch is like jaguar processor so yeah

[worthy meteor]

damn it was 4 years ago
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-kills-off-performance-tuning-protection-plan-overclock-warranty

[misty sparrow]

Scaling from 512 on PC is uncharted territory for other games

[honest birch]

And 8000 yes

[devout forum]

So AM5 is based for emulation, interesting

[hot pumice]

i mean they have no way to tell lol

[frigid stag]

Just get the amazon accidental protection

It’s much easier to use

[worthy meteor]

it was a funny option for a bit

[rancid juniper]

i still remembered when intel killed off laptop undervolting on tiger lake chips (11th gen) because of "plundervolt" ooooh so spooky 😡

[hot pumice]

i remember threadripper i think uses or used fuses internally that blow when u overclock them so amd knows when u rma

[worthy meteor]

no questions asked replacement

[frigid stag]

True was nice

[mortal grail]

They blow when you remove the cpu out of the oem board yeah lmao

Lenovo exclusive pc's

[hot pumice]

that too

[mortal grail]

😭

[devout forum]

I might unironically get Zen4 miniPC and get all the emulation software going on it and make a "PConsole" for gaming at work

[hot pumice]

LOCKED cpu

[misty sparrow]

Steam Big Picture too

perfect

[rancid juniper]

CPU featureset dlc plan

intel launches new battlepass system

[devout forum]

Intel already did it kek

[rancid juniper]

💀

[devout forum]

Unlock codes for more cores anyone?

Only 15.99 a pop

[hot pumice]

god modern pcs suck so much

[rancid juniper]

lol

[hot pumice]

feels like satire lately

[devout forum]

Nah, it'd be an iGP thing, no proper GPU

[honest birch]

Everything is so locked down

[devout forum]

For older games

[misty sparrow]

First tier of Intel Battle Pass grants you blue-colored smoke instead of gray-colored smoke emitting from the CPU when it overheats

[hot pumice]

it's not just locked down, it's that it just objectively sucks

[worn night]

this looks like a scam

[honest birch]

Well yeah

[rancid juniper]

users will love that one

[misty sparrow]

at this point they are the ones being used

[rancid juniper]

whatever makes em the big bucks

they'll continue

[worn wave]

Usually those low prices are for a different model, click on the listing and there's a bunch of different cards sold in one listing

[worn night]

Ill look

[royal crow]

No crap Sherlock

/j

[worn night]

Ok buddy

[rancid juniper]

this guy when mod mode

[hot pumice]

dosent asus have a microcode selection in bios?

[frigid stag]

They seem fine to me. Except the chiplet stuff

[worn night]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808198627767.html it says 3080 ti

[hot pumice]

the z690 ux i played with let me use old 512 microcode with latest bios and it worked

[idle nexus]

yes but this is to edit the .cap file so you can add microcodes to select

[hot pumice]

oh fancy

[mortal grail]

Premium tier 1 experience (Armoury crate broke everything)

[royal crow]

.🧢 is crazy lmao

[mortal grail]

It actually is called that

Lol

[fresh timber]

I reinstalled windows and armory crate still try’s to install just to fail

[storm narwhal]

No cap ong bro

[royal crow]

That's actually funny

[idle nexus]

.capsule ig

[storm narwhal]

Yeerrr

[lone mango]

/dev/nvme0n1p7

[rancid juniper]

capper

[royal crow]

Makes sense

[idle nexus]

I didn't know that ngl

but this told me lol

[rancid juniper]

i remember bios editing AMI bios

on a lenovo mobo

free reign

[royal crow]

Lenovo makes mobos?

[mortal grail]

Stop the .cap

[rancid juniper]

nah its an OEM board extracted from an existing pc

[royal crow]

Oh

[rancid juniper]

but surprisingly its not proprietary

[idle nexus]

lol I looked all over trying to find the damn program

[royal crow]

Well good for them

[idle nexus]

then it was in the BIOS & Firmware folder

[rancid juniper]

well now it is but back then not so much heh

[idle nexus]

I try to stay organized & just confuse myself in the process

[misty sparrow]

Organized Confusion

[royal crow]

It was good while it lasted💀

[rancid juniper]

😏

[idle nexus]

that reminds me

I reinstalled windows cuz I borked it OCing

[royal crow]

I'm going to yoink this

[misty sparrow]

yoink anything you wish

[royal crow]

Cool

[idle nexus]

but I didn't delete the partitions on the other drives

so I wouldn't have to redownload a bunch of crap

[storm narwhal]

I did that too

[idle nexus]

is there a way to rebuild start menu? lol

[storm narwhal]

But it borked itself

[idle nexus]

I've been slowly adding things back manually

[misty sparrow]

so, none of their motherboards use anything proprietary? no restrictions on supported CPUs, RGB, what cases can be used?

[worthy meteor]

only sometimes not proprietary

[storm narwhal]

I just did Winget for most of my stuff

[idle nexus]

I manually reinstalled stuff in the same locations

it does it really fast cuz it's already there lol

[storm narwhal]

Ah fair

[idle nexus]

just to rebuild part of the start menu

but like Steam detected all the installed games

but doesn't bother adding them back to Start Menu

like dammit

[storm narwhal]

Ohhh that

[idle nexus]

I'm trying Ghost-Spectre for daily

[storm narwhal]

Now you have to manually add each one lmao

[idle nexus]

dunno if I'll hate it but

[rancid juniper]

it was an AM3+ motherboard so probably at the time it was near standard

[idle nexus]

ya exactly it's crappy

[rancid juniper]

but now they use their own goofy stuff like HP/DELL

[sinful blade]

Lenovo, dell, and HP all make some proprietary mobos

[idle nexus]

ohh

[misty sparrow]

what kind of particular stuff?

[sinful blade]

Well, a lot of them

[idle nexus]

HP is trying to get into the DIY parts market now

first they had that bdie

[storm narwhal]

Hp should die for their printers

[idle nexus]

https://www.hp.com/us-en/gaming-pc/components.html

[sinful blade]

their unfortunate Segway is the HP OMEN line

[rancid juniper]

different cpu_pwr, board shape, heavy bios modifications

and much more

[storm narwhal]

DIY my ass bro your printers barely work

[misty sparrow]

i am hoping that this here Lenovo prebuilt has no, or at the very least minimal, proprietary parts

[idle nexus]

lol auto re-order ink or just stop working cuz evil Amazon ink

[craggy shoal]

HP is gonna make an SSD that makes you pay a subscription for it

[idle nexus]

rent-a-printer for like $.25/page lol

[rancid juniper]

lemme see these newer proprietary boards do NOT use standard 24pin for power

[velvet summit]

Honestly I barely use the start menu

I just use the search
Or win+r

[rancid juniper]

they have their own psus

[storm narwhal]

What a deal

[sinful blade]

You’ll be disappointed

[storm narwhal]

A steal even, from my own wallet

[idle nexus]

95% of stuff I need is on taskbar lol

[rancid juniper]

fr, they are not great for upgrades

like seriously

[sinful blade]

Fr

[velvet summit]

Only things I pun on my taskbar are chrome and file explorer

Pin

[idle nexus]

omg the wait is almost over

[misty sparrow]

strange, I was told the one I got here wasn't proprietary

just wanted to know what specific parts would be proprietary

[sinful blade]

The only prebuilt from those three that aren’t proprietary is the Lenovo legion lines

[sinful blade]

Motherboard, which screws the cpu, ram

[dusk knot]

"advanced cooling"

[idle nexus]

I dunno about you but everytime I've seen an HP Omen, I get jealous & wish I could be cool & have some HP Omen stuff in my pathetic custom PC

[misty sparrow]

and this is the one I use. considering swapping out the case sometime but don't know if i could do it

[idle nexus]

finally my day has come

[sinful blade]

You also can’t do that

[lone mango]

When you buy an omen and get locked to 5200mhz ram

[sinful blade]

The case is specially formatted for the motherboard

[lone mango]

[dusk knot]

looks nice but...its just another PSU lol

[sinful blade]

You’ll have to heavily modify the case internals

Which at that point, just buy a new build

[fresh timber]

I wish I had that

[idle nexus]

lol my favorite is those pre-builts that downclock memory if you put aftermarket & you can't change it

or awful motherboards with like the power button glued to it & sticks out of the case

[lone mango]

I didn’t know their motherboards had that limit and I told my friend to buy a 6000 kit

Trolled

[sinful blade]

When I originally bought my prebuilt, it came with “5200mhz” ram, but the cpu couldn’t physically handle anything over 4800mhz

[idle nexus]

I think it was an Acer PC but let me not tarnish their good name starting rumors

[hot pumice]

i bought new pc yippiee

prebuilts my beloved

[lone mango]

[idle nexus]

when I bought my pre-built, it came destroyed by FedEx. Best thing that could've happened in hindsight tbh

[sinful blade]

If you ever wanna badmouth a company, I got one for you

[rancid juniper]

bro my prebuilts were worse

lel

[sinful blade]

Bad customer service

[rancid juniper]

typical office pc

[idle nexus]

my dad used to buy like cheap model Dell PCs & wonder why they were so terrible

[rancid juniper]

this pc opened my eyes (in terms of performance)

[idle nexus]

I remember he had this one piece of crap for like 8 years running Windows Vista

[rancid juniper]

going from FX to a 10th gen i3 was nuts

[fresh timber]

He sound like people I know

[idle nexus]

had to like open Outlook at night so it'd be ready by the morning fr

[hot pumice]

i literally just bought a 9700x/7800xt prebuilt a few days ago

[sinful blade]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-0049-00027?

[dense locust]

[rancid juniper]

ayyy another 7800xt user

[sinful blade]

This is my prebuilt

Well, was

[hot pumice]

price was ok i guess

[rancid juniper]

😔

[hot pumice]

i just cant be bothered to build a pc

[sinful blade]

Yeah

[dense locust]

1 year warranty

[sinful blade]

I replaced all the parts

[dense locust]

Glad to see they believe in their work

[sinful blade]

Except the case

[idle nexus]

this looks exactly like a Corsair coldplate

[sinful blade]

They’re terrible customer service
Asked me every question before they ever wanted to send me a simple part

[hot pumice]

asetek

can always tell it's asetek from coldplate or just looking at the locking mechanism

[sinful blade]

I had a question about the ARGB hub, and they proceeded to ask me questions over 38 emails

[idle nexus]

lol so HP just decided to slap its name on some stuff already in the market ig

[hot pumice]

yeah asetek huge oem

just a few years ago they were practically the only oem everyone used

[rancid juniper]

ok april fools is over

now trust restored

[hot pumice]

coz they had a patent on the pump in block design

[dense locust]

thats most tech companies nowadays

[hot pumice]

i think it's voided nowadays tho

[idle nexus]

ngl I still wanna buy this & OC it but not enough to actually do it https://www.newegg.com/hp-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-000Z-00P46

[dense locust]

damn guess i gotta change my profile soon

[idle nexus]

ah another embed fail

[dense locust]

https://tenor.com/view/zako-kaai-yuki-hiiragi-magnetite-gif-14210277578541143927

[rancid juniper]

lol