general-chat

[acoustic palm]

🔥

[mortal grail]

Normal

[heavy dew]

I didn’t put the Xbox back all the way though, so if I need to take it apart I can

[mortal grail]

Plug it in powered off

[heavy dew]

But right now it’s running

[latent juniper]

so um does anyone know videos for cable managing the back of a pc case (Like for the lian li 011 dynamic evo)

[mortal grail]

Hide cable in crevace

If no fit try again

There's no cheat method

[heavy dew]

Now it’s time to stress test it, and how you may ask? Imma do it by playing halo 3 ODST

[latent juniper]

It never shall fit

[mortal grail]

It will

[latent juniper]

psu cables thicc

[mortal grail]

Unless you have like 3 gpus and 2 cpus it will fit

[acoustic palm]

@sweet phoenix it alr sold out

😭

[latent juniper]

And the lian li o11 dynamic evo has like zero crevices

[mortal grail]

It does have crevices

I own the damn thing

Lmfao

[acoustic palm]

isnt the 011 dual chamber

[frigid stag]

Pls tell me you run a water loop

[latent juniper]

I barely still have space

[frigid stag]

That case is made for it

[mortal grail]

I ran a triple rad

[frigid stag]

🕶️

As you should

[acoustic palm]

send a picture of it

[heavy dew]

Oh I forgot to say, if you’re wondering if I have the metal body of the Xbox on my bed, no I don’t, I have it sitting on top of a metal Lenovo laptop with a busted screen

[latent juniper]

Absolutely not opening that thing again took forever to close with them cables pushing it

[acoustic palm]

uh

isnt it dual chamber

😭

[latent juniper]

I think it was

keyword is was

[acoustic palm]

bro... how do you run out of space in a dual chamber

[mortal grail]

That case has enough space for:

• 1600W 220mm psu
• 2 gpus
• triple push pull rad loop (22 fans for the memes)
• 6 drives and change
• dual pump
• 2 fan controllers
• rgb controller
• psu cable extensions including molex and sata

And the back still closed.

[latent juniper]

daisy chain cables

[mortal grail]

It fits

[latent juniper]

lots of daisy chain cables

[mortal grail]

Try again

Trust the idiot who fit way too much in one

And then fit the same amount in a mini

Lmfao

[latent juniper]

Look Idk what I'm doing wrong but I would have to spend an all nighter

[mortal grail]

Yes

Good cable management takes several attempts

[proud jackal]

mmmmmm rats nest

[mortal grail]

There's no cheat to it you just redo it until it's neat

[latent juniper]

yes that's exactly what it is

[heavy dew]

Dude what would be insane is if the issue I had all along was just a bad video cable, because ing it’s not overheating, but the fan is running loud

[latent juniper]

should I get sleeved cables for better cable management tho

[heavy dew]

I mean it’s a 360 of course it’s gonna be louder than a Honda with a fart cannon at 3 in the morning but it hasn’t shut off or anything

Now imma play a bit of campaign and see what happens

[mortal grail]

You'd be surprised how often hdmi cables die

[heavy dew]

And idk if I threw out the cable or I accidentally sold it with one of the 360s I’ve recently sold lmaoooo

[acoustic palm]

wow thermalright sucks for psus

damn

[mortal grail]

If you're already using extensions just tidy them up until they disappear

[heavy dew]

But dude this Xbox is running like a champ

[latent juniper]

never was

[mortal grail]

So you're struggling to fit the cables with less cables than I had in there then

Try again

Lol

[latent juniper]

segotep cables

[mortal grail]

Unless they're like a meter long it's less than what I had

Lol

[latent juniper]

Something like that

That thing long

[mortal grail]

Looked it up and they're basically standard size

[latent juniper]

If those are standard size I'm cooked

wait was I supposed to use them ziptie things

[mortal grail]

700mm at most

It'll fit

Just try again

Those messages were delayed like 2 minutes

[mortal grail]

There are velcro straps but no

You don't need to use them

Just do better runs man

[latent juniper]

10/10 mod say something stupid again

[mortal grail]

I mean there's no special trick to this

Here's the build

[latent juniper]

special trick is me apparently having a skill issue OOOOOOOOOOOO

[mortal grail]

^

No one gets it first try

I've been building for years I still take multiple attempts each build for good cable runs

[latent juniper]

would uni fans make it any better?

[mortal grail]

Up to you how you wanna read into that

[mortal grail]

Worse

[latent juniper]

ouch

[mortal grail]

Unifans have boxy controllers with terrible cable lengths

They need to be in specific positions or they make a nightmare of the cable work

L connect isn't very nice to work with either

[hoary zodiac]

Unifans are the most gimmicky peripheral

[mortal grail]

There's a reason I stopped using them

[frigid stag]

They’re just rgb fans

With magnetic bearings or whatever

[hoary zodiac]

I'd rather just have multiple fans that I can mount in different configurations

Rather than a brick

[acoustic palm]

stupid question but how do you even deal with fan cables, ive never built a pc before so i have 0 clue, do they like connect to each other?

[mortal grail]

Some do

The best kinds daisy chain off the cables

[hoary zodiac]

Anyways that's enough discord for the day

[acoustic palm]

im getting c12cw

[mortal grail]

Those do

[hoary zodiac]

Gonna go back in my hobbit hole

[frigid stag]

You put them on the other side of the case

[hoary zodiac]

Or rather this is the hobbit hole and I'm getting out

[acoustic palm]

so they connect to each other, then you connect them to a fan hub

[mortal grail]

Or a mobo connector

Man

[acoustic palm]

alr

[mortal grail]

Fun hub sounds like something 12 year old me would go to

Lmao

[acoustic palm]

oops

😭

[proud jackal]

[acoustic palm]

how did i even do that

[hoary zodiac]

🤨

[mortal grail]

"I wanna have fun!!" Just looks like that charlie and the chocolate factory failed project

[acoustic palm]

u and a are so far apart

[hoary zodiac]

Fun hub sounds like a sus site

[mortal grail]

Dammit alfred

Wait you're boeing not alfred

[acoustic palm]

and what benefits does a fan hub have over just connecting it to the mobo

[hoary zodiac]

Alfred struck the engines

[mortal grail]

potentially, better cable management and power delivery

Realistically nothing if you can fit it all without

[acoustic palm]

i will have 7 fans so cables might be an issue

[mortal grail]

Nah you're fine

[hoary zodiac]

A fan hub is like a dollar

On AliExpress

[frigid stag]

I think u can use remote control with some

So you don’t have to use rgb software

[acoustic palm]

do you need a fan hub to use an rgb app for them

[mortal grail]

Air con ass convenience

[hoary zodiac]

You'll need a rgb hub for that

[mortal grail]

Lemme just turn on muh cooling

[frigid stag]

Tbh it’s better than dealing with rgb software

[hoary zodiac]

Or a fan + rgb hub

[frigid stag]

And having it clash

[hoary zodiac]

Y'all use RGB?

[mortal grail]

I was talking about the fan speed

[frigid stag]

Oh

[acoustic palm]

im gonna sync it to my screen

[mortal grail]

I haven't bothered with rgb fans for so long I forgot that was a thing

[heavy dew]

So my 360 is running fine

[mortal grail]

[heavy dew]

I’m having no issues

Knock on wood

[frigid stag]

I like rgb it’s nice

[mortal grail]

Congrats it was the cable lmfao

[acoustic palm]

hm

[heavy dew]

Time to continue to play halo 3

[acoustic palm]

how much is that

[latent juniper]

so do I need this part that is a metal plate in the back of my case

[hoary zodiac]

Like a dollar

[heavy dew]

But I probably sold the cable with another console 😭😭😭😭

[acoustic palm]

and do i need it with c12cw

[hoary zodiac]

Uhh

Not sure

[mortal grail]

You don't if you're not mounting to it

[latent juniper]

what is it for

[mortal grail]

Ssd and unifan controller mounts

[acoustic palm]

hm

[hoary zodiac]

Gonna go back to figuring out whether I'm trying to figure out the scalar or vector projection for this stupid question

[mortal grail]

There's also a cable channel underneath it down the middle

It has a few metal pieces like

Sticking out

If you take that out you get even more space

[latent juniper]

ohhhhhh

ok

[mortal grail]

If you're not using hard drives you can remove that cage too

[latent juniper]

I am

[mortal grail]

No problem then

The top part of the chamber has tons of room btw

I like to use that if possible

[latent juniper]

Explain that in cavemen terms

[mortal grail]

Near where cpu cables go

[frigid stag]

Top part of case has space

[mortal grail]

Big space

[latent juniper]

ohhhh

[mortal grail]

Big ass room

[frigid stag]

XD

[mortal grail]

If you plan smart, you can move the hdd cage down low

Psu up top

Use that space more

Much better runs

Like I said, no one gets it first try 😉

I've redone my pc in that case like 14 times

[acoustic palm]

felix do you know if c12cw needs an rgb hub for it to work with signalrgb

[mortal grail]

Mobo header is enough

You may need two mobo headers for both rgb and fan motors each

[acoustic palm]

to work with rgb software tho?

[mortal grail]

But apart from that you shouldn't need a hub

[mortal grail]

It'll work the same way

[frigid stag]

I want to get a fan hub so I can use remote control

[mortal grail]

Only thing you need to worry about is not exceeding 1A on each mobo connector

[acoustic palm]

ok

[frigid stag]

Still want to control fan speed from motherboard though

[acoustic palm]

1A?

[mortal grail]

Have you tried no rgb tho

[mortal grail]

1 amp

[frigid stag]

[acoustic palm]

uh

[frigid stag]

That’s a good point

[acoustic palm]

how many fans is that

[mortal grail]

Each fan lists the amperage on the back

[acoustic palm]

ill be max daisy chaining 3

[mortal grail]

It's always different

3 is fine

Some fans can do up to 7 like p12 pst

You add them up until you have just under 1A

[acoustic palm]

cause im doing bottom and front/back as fans

[mortal grail]

Oh good not nzxt

Phew

[velvet summit]

my name is edwin
i made the mimic 🗣️

[acoustic palm]

thermaltake

ik enough to not use nzxt lmao

[mortal grail]

Lol

I mean you should know once you get it

The fan will say like

"0.11A" for example

Meaning you can chain 9 together for 0.99A

[acoustic palm]

ok

[mortal grail]

Headers on mobos and controllers are rated for 1A per header

[acoustic palm]

would it be stupid to daisy chain the back and bottom together if the amps work out to under 1A

[mortal grail]

Some higher

[mortal grail]

Nope

You might have cable length issues

But perfectly fine

[velvet summit]

I've accidentally discovered touhou

[acoustic palm]

ok

[mortal grail]

Just remember chaining them means they share control

So all same speed

Same colours

Etc

[limber crane]

Bottom should be intake and back should be exhaust so if you want different rpms that could be an issue

[acoustic palm]

different roms?

oh

[acoustic palm]

would that be like

an issue for monitor matching rgb

[mortal grail]

Ye you'd split them if you want independent controll

[mortal grail]

Screen reflect yes

Cos one bank will show all the same part of the screen

A controller will do the same thing btw

[acoustic palm]

wdym

[mortal grail]

The rgb data sent will all come from one header

[acoustic palm]

ah ok

[mortal grail]

Which with screen reflect software is often just one spot on the screen rather than the whole thing

Unless you use more headers

Not perfect, but I mean it still works

[acoustic palm]

alr

ill see cable length stuff

[limber crane]

I'm doing my 6 intakes through a hub connected to one header, my exhaust on one header, and my aio on the remaining header

[mortal grail]

That's fine as long as you stay under 1A

Argb headers and fan headers both have 1A limits

For argb that's typically about 80 lights

[acoustic palm]

wait only 1 rgb header?

[mortal grail]

For fans it varies by model

[mortal grail]

3

[acoustic palm]

oh

[mortal grail]

Addressable led is argb

Rgb led is old 12v rgb, not sold anymore much

[limber crane]

Hub is sata powered so I think it's gonna be fine, it's not a controller just a hub. Only argb all 5v

[mortal grail]

Some fans use 1A per fan for example which is insane (Wtf corsair)

[acoustic palm]

are these the fan headers (top left)

[mortal grail]

Still 1a per header (80 led)

Mixed them up oops

[limber crane]

Guess we will find out

[mortal grail]

The controller has per header limits

Some even have detection and cutoffs if you exceed them

Like you'll often find a blurb "This controller will do max YY many LEDs and XX many LEDs per plug"

[limber crane]

Too late now so I'll have to figure out how to make it work

[mortal grail]

Cpu power

[acoustic palm]

oh

wheres the fan header then

[limber crane]

Lookup the manual

[limber crane]

It will show them

[acoustic palm]

wait

[mortal grail]

Here's 3

[acoustic palm]

is it the top right black-gray-black

yeah

[limber crane]

Manual will list out all the headers and their location

[rancid juniper]

oh, this launched

[mortal grail]

Yeah read the manual for that stuff

[rancid juniper]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[limber crane]

I've read the manual for mine like 40 times this week

[acoustic palm]

ok

[limber crane]

So how do I know if I can hook the 6 fans fo the hub and then to one header for argb?

[mortal grail]

By looking at the back of the fan when you get them

Rome wasn't built in a day

Good planning takes time

[acoustic palm]

is bios optimizations rly that good

[mortal grail]

I usually leave them off

[limber crane]

What am I looking for?

[mortal grail]

They are known for causing trouble over the years

[acoustic palm]

ah ok

[mortal grail]

Amperage and if you can see inside the fan, the led count

Count them (hand counting optional) and if you're under 80 you're fine

[limber crane]

They are .15 amp

[mortal grail]

So you can connect 6 at most together

@acoustic palm

You can see this too, where the amps are

[limber crane]

Perfect, 6 is the max I'm doing on one

[acoustic palm]

ah ic

so 5 max

cant daisy chain those 6 together then

[mortal grail]

The hub in the center on this fan is where the leds are

So for example with c12c-s

I could tell you the typical count for rgb in the hub is about 6

Sometimes 8

Rare 5

[acoustic palm]

wait that back

[mortal grail]

So you could chain many more for rgb headers

[acoustic palm]

dont i turn fans around for the intake?

[mortal grail]

6 for the fan header, at least 10 for the argb header

[mortal grail]

This is just an example

[acoustic palm]

ah alr

[acoustic palm]

no like

the back has those 4... prongs?

[mortal grail]

This isn't your specific fan

Lol

[acoustic palm]

the c12cw has them in the back too

[limber crane]

https://a.co/d/50mydno

This is the hub I got

[mortal grail]

The RW version will have the prongs at the front instead

[acoustic palm]

wait i need to buy reversed version?

😭

[mortal grail]

Honestly overkill for 6

[limber crane]

It was $10 so oh well

[mortal grail]

Did you buy reverse? You don't need to buy anything

[acoustic palm]

oh wha

[limber crane]

Lol

[acoustic palm]

no i havent bought the fans yet

im asking the wrong questin

[limber crane]

If you don't want the fan motor on the side that's showing gotta get them reverse

[mortal grail]

Reverse just puts the cage at the front so you can hide the cage lol

[acoustic palm]

how do you make the fan inake over outtake (or vice versa)

[limber crane]

I had to get 6 reverse, 1 normal lmao

[mortal grail]

Reverse fans are good if you want fans under a gpu for example

It makes them look the same as the exhaust fans

[limber crane]

I got 6 intake, 4 exhaust cause I like wasting the monies

[acoustic palm]

wait so to have all my fans look the same

i have to buy reverse?

[mortal grail]

Example

[mortal grail]

Yes

[acoustic palm]

ok

[mortal grail]

Very very few fans have reverse options

[limber crane]

If you don't buy reverse, you have to flip your intake fans over, meaning the cage will be showing on the side visible

[mortal grail]

C12c luckily has one

C12c is also good so I recommend them

[acoustic palm]

whats the difference

i was told c12cw specifically matches my aio

[mortal grail]

Reverse left vs normal right

Notice the difference

[limber crane]

If you want an intake and don't get a reverse fan, this is how it will be in the case. Getting a reverse hides the motor

[acoustic palm]

yeah

i really wanna hide the motor

[mortal grail]

The fan blades are reversed so you can hide the motor if they're visible intake fans

[acoustic palm]

ok

and reversed are intakes?

[limber crane]

U have to get reverse if u want to hide it

[mortal grail]

Both are intakes if you're brave enough

There's no rule lol

[acoustic palm]

:/

reversed are intakes without the motor showing?

[mortal grail]

Yes

[limber crane]

I don't want motor showing on my six intakes so I bought six reverse

[mortal grail]

Normal ones are exhaust without the motor showing

[acoustic palm]

ok so i need... 6 reversed 1 normal

[mortal grail]

There you go

C12c has a reverse version

[acoustic palm]

also whats the difference between c12cw and c12c

[mortal grail]

W means white

[fresh timber]

this is funny

[mortal grail]

[acoustic palm]

is there a c12cw reversed...

[mortal grail]

Think so

[acoustic palm]

im not even seeing any on pcpp

[fresh timber]

my dad has direct tv service, it so bad bro.. our tv is 4k and the box does like 1080i at like 2mbps bitrate

i plug my pc into it and hes like.. wow it looks soo much better

[mortal grail]

C12rw-S

Would be the name pretty sure

Believe it's v2

[acoustic palm]

wait a second

[limber crane]

You seem to have a lot of first world problems 😉

[acoustic palm]

-s is reversed correct

hm

[lone mango]

[mortal grail]

S is rgb

[fresh timber]

im american, every single problem is first world

[acoustic palm]

this is what there is

[limber crane]

Spoken like someone who's never been truly poor

[fresh timber]

i even consider mental health a 1st world problem, 3rd world countrys the people have to suck it up

america, we have kinda working healthcare for that stuff

[fresh timber]

is that.. bad?

[acoustic palm]

i had c12c in the search

gg

[fresh timber]

im not the type to make fun of people for being poor or anything

besides if its quok

@acoustic palm your poor

[acoustic palm]

theres no packs for rw uh oh

[mortal grail]

@acoustic palm
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qRwmP6/thermalright-tl-c12rw-s-v2-58-cfm-120-mm-fan-c12rw-s-v2
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WhRwrH/thermalright-tl-c12cw-s-6617-cfm-120-mm-fan-tl-c12cw-s

[acoustic palm]

i am poor

[limber crane]

I don't really want to get into this but if we had working healthcare for mental health, mental illness wouldn't be as rampant as it is

[fresh timber]

yeah...

its so bad

i have insurance and its still bad

[acoustic palm]

any chance theres packs for them

[mortal grail]

Not for reverse

[acoustic palm]

😭

man

[fresh timber]

remind me to buy two 140mm fans

[mortal grail]

You won't find cheaper regardless

[acoustic palm]

yeah but like

[fresh timber]

i can find you cheaper quok, buy my fans for $1 less

i have no fans

[acoustic palm]

the normal ones are 17.59 for 5

😭

[fresh timber]

damn

[safe cape]

sup

[fresh timber]

do something action man

do a flip

[mortal grail]

Aesthetics is a tax man

[safe cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziYKdI_9lzk how much COST this right now ?

US/EU

[acoustic palm]

its a 30$ tax

why did i think it would be more

[limber crane]

Use PCPartPicker and build it

[safe cape]

i mean used

not new

[acoustic palm]

gpu market is super bad rn

[safe cape]

250$ impossible ?

[acoustic palm]

for a pc?

[safe cape]

yeap

[acoustic palm]

uh...

[fresh timber]

umm

optiplex and 3050 6gb or something

[acoustic palm]

office pc ig?

[fresh timber]

i recomend optiplex+random gpu to people on tight budget

[safe cape]

yes

optiplex/2060super/new psu

[dense locust]

Just make a pc with integrated graphics
720p gaming

[acoustic palm]

2060s no

[fresh timber]

that honestly would work

[fresh timber]

cheap used

[acoustic palm]

oh wait

yeah its 200

[fresh timber]

$250 pc is possible with the power of the dell optiplex

[safe cape]

50pc/50psu/150gpu

[fresh timber]

if u hunt locally you could make it happen

i want

I WANT

[acoustic palm]

2060s is that cheap?

[safe cape]

idk

im asking

[dense locust]

It’s doing fine wdym

[acoustic palm]

gpu market is cooked rn

[acoustic palm]

meta

[fresh timber]

honestly

i will never do aio on a gpu

why? wtf ima do when the pump fails

now my gpu is dead

[mortal grail]

Replace the pump

[fresh timber]

one with fans? just replace the fans

[fresh timber]

how easy is that

[mortal grail]

Quite easy if you pick the right model actually

[pliant berry]

or you could just replace it with an air cooler

[fresh timber]

an aircooled gpu will last longer than a AIO one

[safe cape]

air >>>>>>>>>>>>

[mortal grail]

Ofc air is always better

[fresh timber]

both can fail, but which will fail faster on aveage

[mortal grail]

But it's not hard to service an aio model

[fresh timber]

idk if i could take that risk, atleast with a AIR cooled gpu you have atleast two more working fans if one fails kek

[mortal grail]

If you pick the right model tho is what I'm saying

The ones I have you can swap the pump out with another quite readily

[acoustic palm]

hm

that back is rly ugly

rip 30$ hella better looks

[fresh timber]

If u got a AIO gpu I would buy extra pumps

Idk how rare they will be after a few years

[acoustic palm]

i said what

6 reverse?

yeah

[fresh timber]

I forgot What they call it, but don’t they have like standard pcb then custom for gpus

[mortal grail]

Mine are dc-lt 2, I could buy them like $15 a piece lol

Peel off the sticker, 3 screws, unplug the cable

New one in, screw down, sticker back (it's acryllic so not damaged) and done

[acoustic palm]

wha

why are the reverse fans worse cfm

[mortal grail]

Again, if you pick the right one, it's not nearly as bad to service

[fresh timber]

cause um

[fresh timber]

physics

[acoustic palm]

doggostare

[mortal grail]

Not enough to make a difference

[fresh timber]

something something the way the air spins and sucking instead of pulling

[acoustic palm]

58 on reverse 66 on normal

meh

[fresh timber]

they are pushing air out

[mortal grail]

Means absolutely nothing

[acoustic palm]

im running 6 intake 4 exhaust anyway

[fresh timber]

they have to pull from the side with the support @acoustic palm so it would make sense

[mortal grail]

Brands fudge cfm anyway

It's not standardised

[fresh timber]

yeah

fan spin

if pc cool, be happy

[acoustic palm]

fan spin

[mortal grail]

Fan spin, good review

[fresh timber]

i want noctuah but expensive so i settle for cheapo theramlright

[mortal grail]

Bicc smile

[fresh timber]

i just want, quiet fan, keep pc cool, happy JP

[acoustic palm]

fan spin fan look good

fan cheap

[limber crane]

Keep in mind if you have dust filters you may need to bump the RPM on the intakes, or so I heard anyway

[acoustic palm]

uh

do i have dust filters

[heavy dew]

Aye question, do you know if the 360 is compatible with a 500GB HDD?

Cus Ik they support 250s and 320s but what about 500?

[mortal grail]

No idea

[limber crane]

If you're getting the case I last saw you getting i don't think so. It's just a ton of open air

[mortal grail]

Iirc the slim worked with 500gb expandable ones

[fresh timber]

make a two pack

i only need two

😦

[acoustic palm]

im getting this one

[heavy dew]

What I’m thinking is get 2 hard drive enclosures because I have two 360 slims and then just slap some 500GB drives in them and then sell them hoes on eBay for $100 because it’ll have a $500 GB HDD

[fresh timber]

how tf is it cheaper to get a 3pack instead of two one packs

the world will never know

[limber crane]

Bottom has a dust filter i think, not sure about the sides

[mortal grail]

I mean if it works it works

It being sata 2/3 is already a good sign

[acoustic palm]

it shouldnt be a huge issue

[fresh timber]

god usb to argb contollers cost too much

[limber crane]

Probably not, I'm just going off the endless research I've done this week

[fresh timber]

no rgb for 2nd pc i guess

ima buy 140mm rgb fans just to not run rgb lmfao

[heavy dew]

Cus the only limitation is the storage capacity cus obviously the 360 doesn’t support 1TB because the architecture was made before 1TB or whatever

But I am pretty sure the 360 can support 500GB drives

Because I have sold 360s with 250GB drives and I can get $80 for them all day, so if I get 500GB drives, I can legit sell them for 100 all day fr

Also I have at least a dozen 500GB HDDs at my disposal

[mortal grail]

Idk I haven't tried anything

I was thinking of trying it

Ssd tho

[heavy dew]

Well I mean an SSD will work with the console probably, but the SSD will only run at SATA II speeds

[mortal grail]

I'm not worried about that

[heavy dew]

And it’s the same story with PS3, you CAN upgrade it to an SSD but you’re not getting the full fledged performance

[heavy dew]

Well it should work, you just need to pop the SSD into the 360 enclosure

[mortal grail]

The ssd will still be a big upgrade lol

[heavy dew]

But yeah I legit have a stack of 500GB HDDs that I got from goodwill and I just have them stacked and idk what to do with them

Until NOW

idk why I haven’t thought of this sooner because I have sold a bunch of 4GB 360s already and they sold quick but I can make an extra couple bucks if I invest in some hard drive enclosures for the 360

[lone mango]

Be quiet is cheaper than noctua and is also really quiet

All my fans in my case are be quiet

[fresh timber]

my fans are quiet cause i never go past 1000 rpm

lmfao

i got 5 fans rated for 2200 rpm irrc, but i run then at 800

[acoustic palm]

@mortal grail another question, does my psu come with white cables

[lone mango]

Speaking of fan noise there is a weird thing this 6700 xt is doing now

[acoustic palm]

nvm

yes it does

[lone mango]

Fans run super quiet if even at all and then when hotspot hits like 90 then it goes nuts for a bit

Then goes super quiet again and repeats

Like I dont mind a little bit of noise to keep you cool fella just stop going to max rpm

[velvet summit]

Major choke at the end

jumping between those buttons without a visual reference is pretty hard 💀

[mortal grail]

Like listening to trombone champ

[limber crane]

You could always spend $100 on cables like me 😂😭

[acoustic palm]

nah gang

im not tryna bottom my bank account

[limber crane]

Yeah, I'll never admit how much I spent. I really was irresponsible with this build

[velvet summit]

[acoustic palm]

im doing crazy research for this one

[limber crane]

I already know when I post pics I'm gonna get ridiculed into oblivion

[mortal grail]

Just return the mobo and you'll get a pass from me

Lol

[limber crane]

Nah, I don't care enough, I'll just leave the discord if I get bullied lmao

[misty sparrow]

i honestly thought you were playing the krusty krab music with your eyes closed

[velvet summit]

i start at the red, jump to blue, jump back to red, jump to yellow and then to red and then jump to blue
blind withouot sight because the buttons are blocked by the body of the accordion

small jump but it's hard to locate 😔

[limber crane]

What I've learned with researching builds is you eventually have diminishing returns and over analyze everything and second guess every component

[acoustic palm]

meh

i buy

funny items come

me happy

[limber crane]

Yep, that's why I don't care enough to change my list

Couple hundred bucks isn't going to ruin my life, if it would I shouldn't be building PCs

[acoustic palm]

my friends saying his pc has good airflow

🔥

[mortal grail]

His front fans are backwards

[acoustic palm]

i told him that

also dont mind the top fans

intake on the top 🔥

[mortal grail]

The top ones are fine his front fans are vampiring the cold air lmfao

[acoustic palm]

he should swap all of them right

like switch them

[mortal grail]

Just the front ones

[acoustic palm]

not the top ones?

[mortal grail]

Nope

Top is correct

[acoustic palm]

intake on top?

[mortal grail]

For air cooler yes

[acoustic palm]

OH the cooler

so 4 intake 1 exhuast for him?

[mortal grail]

Ye

If anything at the least, even just disconnect or remove the front

Them exhausting is robbing cool air more than it helps

[acoustic palm]

ye

[misty sparrow]

is the left picture the cpu cooler? is there actually two on there?

what the hell is this

[worthy tapir]

This should be fun

[wraith fern]

nah

that cannot be useful

[lone mango]

Should I have my air cooler intake from the back of the nr200

[dense locust]

In fairness if you don’t know which side air goes out it’s pretty easy to fail

[fresh timber]

i remember why i hate 6 core cpus

[fresh timber]

is it not obvious how fans work?

its basic.. physics

[dense locust]

Without power you have no way to know which way the fans blow

[fresh timber]

yes u do

with pc fans atleast

do people seriosuly not know scoop=fan go that way

or pay attention to how the air moves when their fan is spinning

ceeling fan

[elfin mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-final-specs-confirmed-gb206-gpu-16-8gb-gddr7-and-2-57-ghz-boost

8gb still an option

sadge

[nocturne flicker]

I don't have a problem with it being an option as long as it is clearly labelled on the box/listings and there aren't supply shenanigans

And if the price justifies it

[elfin mural]

the price certainly

will be scalped

cuz everyone buys any gpus these days

like the world is ending or something

[nocturne flicker]

Oh yeah, absolutely. In concept though with those stipulations

[elfin mural]

ya true

[dense locust]

No

Why would any non techie know that

[fresh timber]

i know plenty average people who know which way air goes from a fan

which way doe this blow

it will blow twords you

[dense locust]

[sage sluice]

motor in the back is my go to

[nocturne flicker]

Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me

[dense locust]

Ima design a fan that has a motor on the front just to spite you

[sage sluice]

the true fear i feel is when i see a windmill fighting the wind

[lucid bay]

How’re y’all doin’ tn?

[sage sluice]

also kueen

kuh ween

[gray kelp]

Prolly stupid question but when, for example, searching for 5080, there are like 20 different versions and the price differs also. Why is that? They all have 16gb

[elfin mural]

Board partners have a lot of different cooler designs

Ranging from meh to the best

[hoary zodiac]

Gamer backpack is here

[wraith bay]

anyone happen to know stuff on pad replacement on gpu's?

saw a vid, supposedly 1.5 mm is okay for a 3080ti FE, all around?

[elfin mural]

fe is pretty simple

just gotta find a good guide

[wraith bay]

that's what i'd wanna know, if i found a good one or naw

[elfin mural]

but i prefer thermal putty

you can specify any thickness

by just putting a goop on

[acoustic palm]

i love spednign 3 hours trying to get prism launcher to work

then giving up

[elfin mural]

upsiren utp-8 should do th job

[hoary zodiac]

Ok I like this backpack

It's got a lot of volume

And it's more rigid than my old backpack while being less bulky

[velvet summit]

what

[atomic mist]

what

[acoustic palm]

What

[velvet summit]

scanning their meat and gemstones

[devout forum]

OH NO

The Magnetic Air wouldn't fit the Ridge, damn

too long and 4 slot

[proud jackal]

I over napped

[acoustic palm]

That’s called sleep

[proud jackal]

[acoustic palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1093800682601062430/1104613213749923870/Screenshot_2023-03-02_195313.gif

[lone mango]

Whats the average 6700 xt vram oc

[jaunty moat]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-vector-quietdownfish-gif-9130139709267042364

[lone mango]

ill just try +200 and go up

Nvm thats the max

[lone mango]

Bro what am I really about to go -100mv

Ok -110

Lol ok -120

This is crazy

Alr 130

Brother it just keeps chugging

Ok idk if it froze beause I kept typing here or if thats the limit

Crash

Damn son nothing is responding to my clicks

Restart time

[proud jackal]

The Taco Bell has an AI drive thru now too

[dense locust]

“I want a number 3 too”
“32 number three coming up”

[mortal grail]

Serves it with extra fingers

[proud jackal]

thats wendys not taco bell

[misty sparrow]

"I want a nachos bell grande combo, beefy 5-layer burrito, crunchwrap supreme, a large mountain dew baja blast"

"Your order will be $22.36"

"Taco Bell Corporate mandates that this order is completely free"

"Your order is $0"

easily trickable AI

[dense locust]

I doubt they’ll give the ai the ability to do that

Would be funny tho

[misty sparrow]

someone applied the same logic to DeepSea AI when it refused to answer a question relating to the chinese government

it worked

[devout forum]

Oh hey, now we know where their claims of "double the GPUs sold" comes from

After all, it IS the same die

[sweet phoenix]

Lmao

[dense locust]

We already know where it came from

Also the that estimate of endless growth is unsustainable

[misty sparrow]

stonks

[elfin mural]

[devout forum]

So this is why I'm kind of an OLED fanatic lol

that is REALLY not a big price diff

[tranquil pebble]

AI if it made food

[tranquil pebble]

240 hz OLED, based

[devout forum]

it's priced really well yes

Also can someone help me understand this

it's the EK configurator (Yes I know, ew)

but it is at least helpful to figure out what sort of rad size can keep it from throttling too hard

Assuming anair-water delta T of 20°C

It SHOULD work

Like yes, it leads to hotter parts

but as long as I don't thermal throttle either

I kinda don't care

Now yes, during the summer it would probably end up throttling because my room would be like 30°C ambient

but that's still mostly fine

[nocturne merlin]

3 fan gigabyte 4060 or 2 fan msi, does it matter? does gigabyte still have garbage policies?

[devout forum]

Both suck lmao

4060 is overpriced garbage product

[nocturne merlin]

no alternative in eu, 7600 is like 30$ below it

[tranquil pebble]

*hot garbage, maybe even dumpster fire

[devout forum]

Literally ANYTHING at the price is an alternative

6700XT

6800XT

just buy a better used GPU for cheaper

[nocturne merlin]

any 6000 series card from amd apart from 6600 is not in stock over here

also used market is dead

[devout forum]

That's bollocks

[nocturne merlin]

7700 xt is a cool 120$ over and 7600 xt is around 80$

[nocturne merlin]

the funny part is that its 350$ for the 4060 haha, and NA complains about the 300 msrp

[devout forum]

because the 4060 should be at most a 200 usd graphics card on merit

It is actually that bad

[nocturne merlin]

yeah too bad you barely have an option for entry to mid here, i guess higher end cards are closer to msrp

well still, msi or gigabyte? does the board partner even matter for this

[devout forum]

I'd highly recommend not buying either

[tranquil pebble]

gigglebyte bad ig

[devout forum]

Let me put it this way

[nocturne merlin]

only other option would be waiting for the next gen to drop or what, i mean i need a gpu at some point lol

[devout forum]

the MSI 4060 is really bad and not worth it at all
The Gigabyte is even worse

you can likely buy a 3070 for less than a 4060

and the 3070 would beat the 4060's ass like a Cherokee drum

[nocturne merlin]

isnt the problem with the 4060 that it's 8gb? the 3070 is the same just better performance

[devout forum]

no the 4060 is just

Bad in every measurable way

[tranquil pebble]

4060 is epic weaksauce

[devout forum]

8 gigs is only bad in the 3070 if you play at 1440p

at 1080p it'd be bearable

[nocturne merlin]

i mean bad compared to something you guys could get for the better price, its still a gpu that measures in line with its price over here at least

[devout forum]

Not perfect but workable

[devout forum]

No.

It measures in line with a 6600

like on performance

it's bad

it performs bad, the price is bad, the VRAM is bad, EVERYTHING about the 4060 is bad

[nocturne merlin]

man wdym 6600, do you have any benchmarks that shows its in line

[devout forum]

Buying a 4060 brand new is the PC equivalent of stockholm syndrome

[nocturne merlin]

isnt its competitor the 7600 that still gets like 5% lower performance and doesnt have all the tech or cuda cores

[devout forum]

None of that matters.

Nada. None, Zilch

"all the tech" and the 4060 is still useless

CUDA only matters if you use it for Blender and such

which the 4060 is wholly inadequate for anyway

[nocturne merlin]

so what do you suggest i buy if 6000 cards aren't available and the jump to 7700xt is 100$

[devout forum]

Used 3070

Used 6700 XT

Used 6800 XT

link me the page you'd buy the 4060 from, and then link me whatever major used market site exists there

[nocturne merlin]

even if i could find used, i'd rather have a warranty. 2 of the gpus i owned had dead vram within 3 years and it's a nice thing to get a full refund

[devout forum]

I'll try to dig up a better deal for you

[devout forum]

I mean your warranty would probably be denied for bollocks reasons anyway (looking at you Asus)

Buying used is exactly for times like yours

when you're constrained with moeny

[nocturne merlin]

both my 6600 powercolor warranty and 1060 asus were actually honored without a word, maybe customer support is horrendous in america but here they have to comply

[devout forum]

but knowing how much of an nGreedAI fan you are I have doubts you'd care

just

gimme the site let me see what I can dig up for you

[nocturne merlin]

my daily was amd, the argument with nvidia tech is justified if its the same price as the amd counterpart, i wouldn't pay 100$ more for the same performance and just the added better dlss

[devout forum]

It's really not lmfao

[nocturne merlin]

dms?

[devout forum]

Like my guyy 100 dollar price difference gets you a 7700XT

which will demolish a DLSS 4060 rendering native

[nocturne merlin]

mb, 50$ between the 7600 and 4060

[tranquil pebble]

lol I knew the 4060 was bad but damn

[devout forum]

where do you live?

[nocturne merlin]

romania, you can find the main retailer on pcpartpicker

[devout forum]

I'd recommend just forgetting brand new

they're all overpriced to hell and back

If you're in the 4060 price bracket, you shouldn't think new

[nocturne merlin]

well yeah it does makes sense but i just have such bad luck with gpu's they're bound to break eventually and hopefully under warranty

[mortal grail]

I'd take the 7600 in that situation.

[devout forum]

3060?

[nocturne merlin]

3060 is like 10$ difference

[devout forum]

The 3060 is cheaper

[mortal grail]

Don't use a configurator cos none of them make sense

[devout forum]

AND better

[mortal grail]

Beats a 4060

Not in pure performance, but better vram and bit bus

[devout forum]

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/gigabyte/geforce-rtx-3060-windforce-oc-12gb-gddr6-192-bit/

[mortal grail]

WAY more capable card

[devout forum]

There you go
A better buy

[nocturne merlin]

i mean better probably in some games at 1440p, doesnt the 4060 still get like 10% better performance?

[devout forum]

No

Like

in many games, the 3060 beats the 4060

[mortal grail]

Yes but it's worse overall

[devout forum]

Because the 4060 is so cut back

[mortal grail]

4060 always has a better choice

[nocturne merlin]

ok interesting apparently

[devout forum]

The 4060 is already obsolete

[mortal grail]

In like the whole 2 years it's been on sale I've never seen it make sense outside of a laptop

[devout forum]

like it was DESIGNED to be permanently obsolete

[nocturne merlin]

didnt think same price was even worth considering the older gen even if its like a 4050

[devout forum]

think of this

[mortal grail]

The card has a starved bit bus, 8gb vram and costs almost as much as a 6700xt did. It NEVER made sense

[devout forum]

the 3060 is parity with the 4060 in FPS
Has more VRAM
Has a better memory bus so it will not commit sudoku the moment something actually tries to use it
And the 3060 gets the same DLSS features

While costing less for yyou

[mortal grail]

Pretty much every other card in the 4060 price range is better for different reasons

[nocturne merlin]

oh nice found a 3060 open box for 300$, its the gigabyte gaming with the metal backplate version

should i just grab that

[mortal grail]

Look for 6700xt

[devout forum]

^^^^

[nocturne merlin]

not in stock

[mortal grail]

Look used

[devout forum]

I can attest that the 6700 XT is really good

[mortal grail]

If not available today, look tomorrow

[devout forum]

and it is 100% available used in Hungary

[mortal grail]

Used 6700xt and 6750xt are extremely solid value

[devout forum]

Dunno how far are you from the border but for the price of a 4060 you can even get a used 6800XT

if you come over to here

(I am Hungarian I know our used market very well)

[nocturne merlin]

i mean i wouldn't try so hard and drive to another country for a better bang for the buck honestly, i just need a solid gpu

and the warranty thing is pretty important

[devout forum]

Why not?
Take it as a day trip vacation where you just happened to also buy a great GPU

[nocturne merlin]

ok well what about warranty

[mortal grail]

It's ironic, you could argue "I want better RT" B580 exists.
"I like nvidia suite for my work" 3060 exists.
"I just want better pure performance" 6700XT used exists. So does used 3070 and 2080Ti.
"I want the best value for a new card at this price" 7600 exists

Literally there's a better answer in every single category

[devout forum]

https://hardverapro.hu/apro/gigabyte_radeon_rx_6700_xt_gaming_oc_12gb_hasznalt/friss.html
6700 XT with WARRANTY

sure, only a year but still warranty

[mortal grail]

Some new gpus only come with 1 year

[nocturne merlin]

well yeah im fine with getting the 3060

[nocturne merlin]

oh damn

[devout forum]

https://hardverapro.hu/apro/xfx_amd_radeon_rx_6800_xt_16_gb_ujszeru/friss.html
If you REALLY wanted to minmax, this is even cheaper AND better than anything mentioned yet

[mortal grail]

If you're not using blender I'd really take up considering the 6700XT/6750XT

Used 2080Ti is also impressively good value

As are 3070s if you play light games

[nocturne merlin]

i do use blender

[mortal grail]

3070 is a better 4060 without frame gen (which is coming to ampere as well [RUMOR])

Then 3070 or 2080ti

Give those a gander

You might find something

[nocturne merlin]

alright

but does the 3060 really beat the 4060 where vram doesnt matter that much, which is a lot of games in 1080p?

[devout forum]

Yeah

[mortal grail]

The issue with the 4060 is again just each facet of it makes little sense

[devout forum]

We're not bullcrapping you

It's legit how bad the 4060 is

[mortal grail]

It's faster when it's not bandwidth starved than a 3060

[tranquil pebble]

Why are you so stuck on wanting a 4060?

[mortal grail]

But the thing is

This happens enough that it's an issue

A used 3070 is literally just a better 4060

[nocturne merlin]

i mean, am i? its just that i looked on tpu and other sources and it usually won by like 10% except for alan wake and such

[mortal grail]

Ye

Those bandwidth limited situations are what I mean

And as things like RT get heavier

That 4060 will.drop more and more

It has a really small bit bus

Hence me saying a 3070 is just a better 4060, it's not bandwidth limited

[nocturne merlin]

3070 for sure but the other guy said 3060

[mortal grail]

3060 12gb makes sense if you get it for the right price

300 is kinda...no

[tranquil pebble]

i don't think I want to know how small the bus would be for a 5060

[mortal grail]

Don't get the 6gb one btw

[mortal grail]

Same as 4060

[nocturne merlin]

it is better than the 4060 being 350$

[tranquil pebble]

so more trash, yay

[devout forum]

Oh yeah the 4060 is also just priced like crap

[mortal grail]

Considering how much I'm sure a 3070 will be, nah

[nocturne merlin]

alr

[mortal grail]

People are less interested in a 3070 than a 7600 due to mind share

The used prices are comically decent

It was the first gpu people were crying about vram issues on

But for 200 usd those cards are a serious steal

It probably won't be 200 there

But 300 is realistic

And easily better than a 4060 at the same price

3070 is like, more or less 4060 Ti 8gb performance

Just no frame gen (again, pending to change via rumour)

[nocturne merlin]

i see

[mortal grail]

There really isn't drawbacks essentially

2080Ti again I would say better still due to 11GB vram, but it's not going to see frame gen at this rate, not even rumoured

If you've used frame gen tho, you'd know it's mostly a gimmick

So discretion on your choice between those two is up to you

Would easily pick either over a 4060 tho

[nocturne merlin]

yeah dont care about framegen

[mortal grail]

Hell, for the right price, over a 7600 by a mile

7600 only makes sense cos the 4060 is too expensive

[tranquil pebble]

right price is getting harder to come by

[frigid stag]

It’s not just vram, 4060 ti is just a weaker card

My 2080 diffs it so much

[mortal grail]

Your 2080Ti sure

Lol

I'm talking normal people with normal expectations

Afraid of the void of OC

Lmfao

[frigid stag]

Even stock

[mortal grail]

Chart has them pretty close stock

Basically margin of difference with the 4060ti ahead a bit tbh

Sure any half decent oc I would agree tho

[nocturne merlin]

so is the argument for the 3060 12gb future-proofing? cause if it gets beaten by the 4060 at the same price point there's no point

[mortal grail]

In a sense yes

Bit bus and vram limits become arguable at that price point

Since the 3060 suffers from neither and the 4060 suffers from both lol

3060 12GB is one of the nicest entry point workstation cards you can buy

[nocturne merlin]

oh also the b580 is the same price, is that not worth considering on am4?

[mortal grail]

Which cpu

[nocturne merlin]

5600x

[mortal grail]

Nope

Drivers are wayyyyy too immature for a 5600x

<1st hand experience

[nocturne merlin]

i wonder if they'll ever fix the overhead

[mortal grail]

It'd be a miracle if so

I reckon they're a long way out from that

They're much later to the gpu game than ATI/Nvidia/AMD

[tranquil pebble]

cursed

[tranquil pebble]

lol my first gaming GPU was an ATI Radeon HD 4890

good GPU for the time

[limber crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs1O21ibuKM

their cards have a fragrance tube

lol their cards also have lore

[craggy shoal]

GPU lore is wild

[limber crane]

this is what gives their card the smell

[nocturne merlin]

found a 2080s for the same as a 7600, worth?

[devout forum]

oh yeah

[nocturne merlin]

used of course

[devout forum]

that is a great one I'd say

[nocturne merlin]

also 3070 for 240$

[sweet phoenix]

2080s=3060 ti

3070=2080 ti with less vram

The only concern i have for you is with blender you're likely to run into vram limits with an 8gb card

[nocturne merlin]

i mean what am i going to find better than a 3070 for the 250$ range

downgrading to 3060 would be a bit of a stretch

[craggy shoal]

They made a 12GB 3060 as well if that helps

[nocturne merlin]

well yeah the 12gb one, although is going to be far worse than the 3070

[craggy shoal]

Like $250-$350 last I checked (I checked before Blackwell release though. Prices might be inflated)

[sweet phoenix]

I'd probably go for the 3070

Was just a warning

2080 ti is the only other real option but I imagine there's not many of those on the used market near you

[frigid stag]

“3070” slander won’t be taken

[sweet phoenix]

sigh

[frigid stag]

Truly underrated

It’s like the 6950xt, beating newer cards long after it released

6900xtxh is insane

[sweet phoenix]

My 3060 ti oced beats a stock 2080 ti, clearly 3060 ti is better than the 2080 ti

[frigid stag]

A max oc’d 3070 is not reaching this

[sweet phoenix]

Your logic is obnoxious

[frigid stag]

It’s a worse card period

You can’t even comprehend what I’m saying

[sweet phoenix]

Yes, I can

Its just a pointless argument

[tranquil pebble]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/03/ceo-of-ai-ad-tech-firm-pledging-world-free-of-fraud-sentenced-for-fraud/

lol, rofl, lmao even

[nocturne merlin]

so 3070 gaming oc from gigabyte, 240$ do i just go for that

[frigid stag]

Need ln2 to come close to it and still lower score

Is funny

[sweet phoenix]

Yeah

[frigid stag]

Why does rt run like ass

[mental yoke]

maybe its trying to ray trace an ass?

[mental yoke]

ima doubt this too

[sweet phoenix]

It was sarcasm

[mental yoke]

im just reading up

so i wont hit the sarcasm untill a few lines more

i also just read things out of context, im bad