general-chat

[frigid stag]

Bruh

[wise wigeon]

Ugh I’m between the swift and pulse

Swift looks better

But I do enjoy quieter fans

[dense locust]

Why do companies need aibs

[wise wigeon]

Plus sapphire confirmed ptm use

[mortal grail]

Same reason I need abs

Need something there to do the heavy lifting

[dense locust]

Ok but why not just choose a good design and make all companies follow it

[mortal grail]

Go back to pascal and you'll see that

Didn't last

[wise wigeon]

There was a point all aibs had FE cards

[mortal grail]

Rdna 3 also had everyone making a reference card

Cannot remember if rdna 2 was the same

[dense locust]

[frigid stag]

Older cards had so much color

[mortal grail]

The ref cards for both lasted no time at all

[mortal grail]

Wtf xbox ass fans

https://tenor.com/view/xbox-ashtrey-ashtreygaming-xbox-series-xbox-series-x-gif-16552141848437595116

[tight agate]

Oh BB is out for canada

[frigid stag]

Atom fans

[tight agate]

I am still using my xbox 360

[frigid stag]

I guess I’ll go with this

Has the most color

[dense locust]

Remember all black and The color comes from the lgbt lights

[tight agate]

I honestly don't know anymore

[frigid stag]

The what 😭

[tight agate]

I got swift pulse msap and aorus

[mortal grail]

Msap

[dense locust]

Is that not what they are?

[mortal grail]

These red devils are turning into doomy guy props

You know what

That y wasn't intentional

It is now

[dense locust]

Doomy

[frigid stag]

[mortal grail]

Doomy guy

[frigid stag]

Doom eternal

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-doometernal-gif-20017130

[dense locust]

Doomy external

[mortal grail]

He feelin all doomy today

But like it reminds me of like some forge powered by the demons on one end

[frigid stag]

Inb4 it’s this pricing

[mortal grail]

Next you'll tell me it shoots 20 missiles at once

[mortal grail]

It's not tho

[frigid stag]

Oh good

[dense locust]

Wait… regular 9070 for $650?

[mortal grail]

Oh god challenger is asrocks new basic model

I was afraid of this

Challenger is like vengeance except with thermal paste

LOL

[dense locust]

Gpu prices went on a rocket to the moon and then decided it wasn’t high enough so they build a slingshot to go farther

[hoary zodiac]

Alfred scalped all the gpus

[wise wigeon]

I find it hilarious the pure box looks like it says puke

Amazon got the nitro plus

It’s $800

Christ

Ik I was predicting a similar price but

I’m still disappointed

[hoary zodiac]

Welcome to 2025

[wise wigeon]

Woops

Tf is this crossed out price man

[mortal grail]

IN STOCK???

GAHHH

[wise wigeon]

$150 dollars for a white color is wild

[mortal grail]

32gb

[frigid stag]

Idk wtf they did to that gpu

[mortal grail]

Stuck vengeance on it

[elfin mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIIA-a9Q9A

he's not exactly happy about the non xt

which is fair

[elfin mural]

600 msrp ooo

amd is cooking

IN STOCK AT THAT

[tight agate]

I am lost....

Can't decide

[elfin mural]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/691100/asrock-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-steel-legend-triple-fan-16gb-gddr6-pcie-50-graphics-card

buybuybuy

more stock than the entire 50 series

[tight agate]

Hm

Not up for jokes

[elfin mural]

tbh

if you just game mostly

9070xt is great

ignore the 9070 since it's only 50 less

good luck getting nvidia in this time

[lone mango]

9070 will be even better after a few months

When more defective dies are made

Its gonna drop like the 7900 xt

[elfin mural]

yeah

just gotta wait for it to drop to like 400

[lone mango]

The price is higher because there is less availability

They probably want to keep it in stock

[elfin mural]

so atm

the xt is better

in fact

it's the world's best perf per dollar card rn

[lone mango]

Because the 9070 is made when there are more xts made

[elfin mural]

ya

[lone mango]

[elfin mural]

i can't believe im saying this to radeon

[hoary zodiac]

I can believe it

The thing I can't believe is how big of a middle finger nvidia is pointing at us

[elfin mural]

if you don't go fancy, msrp cards are widely available

if only the 5070 was a 5060ti

i'd be raving on and on

[lone mango]

Novideo

[hoary zodiac]

Here's the biggest reason to get a radeon

Simply try to buy a nvidia card

Like nvidia just does not care about the consumer market

[gilded kraken]

that hurts me to read but dang is is true atm

[hoary zodiac]

They're too busy selling their high quality silicon to ai bros

[gilded kraken]

word is they are making a Ultimate navi 48 for Q2 now

[mortal grail]

"Aqua OC"

"Liquid Devil"

[gilded kraken]

nah a bigger card that reaches between the 5070ti and the 5080

[mortal grail]

Amd already directly denied that

[hoary zodiac]

9070 XTX2

Dual gpus

[hoary zodiac]

They don't need to at this rate

They can pump out cheaper gpus

Like nvdia's shot themselves in the foot so hard AMD just has to release a product to compete

[gilded kraken]

they really did, if they would have released that bigger card with stock. people would of bought it

because they cant buy anything else

[hoary zodiac]

eh here's the thing

I don't think nvidia particularly cared for this gen

I don't think even AMD predicted that the 50 series launch would be so comically bad

I'd say Nvidia's gonna actually try with 60 series

[gilded kraken]

I'll be honest. If amd released that bigger card since the 5080 is impossible to buy atm. I probably woulda gotten it

[hoary zodiac]

Before AMD gets a foothold in their market

Nvidia botched the launch harder than anyone was expecting

[gilded kraken]

Im miffed we dont have cheaper 4080 supers to buy too since the 5080 is so meh

[hoary zodiac]

We did until scalpers ruined it

Well I mean to be fair it wasn't much better than 7900XTX pricing so

Eh

The thing is if nvidia just had supply for 50 series the market would not be as stupid as it is now

This is why we need more competition

So Nvidia knows they can't just get away with half assing a launch

[mortal grail]

Thank nvidia for discontinuing the previous gen

[gilded kraken]

yeeeep. So double meh with nvidia atm

went all hands on deck to get a 5080 despite the pricing. Zero stock, no back up cards but second hand. mega meh performance. Just bleh

[hoary zodiac]

The paper launch is on fire

[gilded kraken]

only saving grace is the 5080s super overbuilt coolers make them quiet

[hoary zodiac]

Well I mean

You could get one with missing ROPs

You'd have to return it at that point

[mortal grail]

And not melting the connector

[gilded kraken]

lmao, yea im sorta glad I didnt buy in

[mortal grail]

Lmao

[hoary zodiac]

Or else might as well just use a 4080 super

[gilded kraken]

man I would be beyond mad if I had one short performance like that

[hoary zodiac]

Imagine some of the people tho

Imagine being one of the people who sold their 4080 super for a 5080

And then unknowingly getting missing rops

[gilded kraken]

This is why I keep my old card for 3-4 months just to be sure

[mortal grail]

Imagine thinking you'd get more than a 4090 after making that exchange and paying 400 more

[hoary zodiac]

This is why I always tell people to wait for reviews

[mortal grail]

"5070 has 4090 performance, it must be better!"

[tight agate]

Ok...

Huh, I don't know anymore, I should go with the red devil, it just, I can't chance the color of it

[mortal grail]

Fear duh weaper

[hoary zodiac]

Are you going to look at your pc all day or are you going to look at your monitor?

That's what I tell myself

[tight agate]

You're right, hm, I think my head is jello right now.

[mortal grail]

Just aim for msrp man

[gilded kraken]

I bought a fancy wrap around glass case. So I look atm my case alot now...

[mortal grail]

Don't overthink it

[gilded kraken]

also because it has a system temp on its mobo display thats handy

[mortal grail]

That's like the one thing I never look at lol

[hoary zodiac]

The motherboard is usually covered under the gpu and cooler for me

[mortal grail]

I have a whole sensor panel but gpu temp is the one I pay attention to

[hoary zodiac]

That's why I don't usually mind the aesthetics of certain parts

Can't see them

[mortal grail]

Dan a3 really helps with this

I used to notice inside, I don't even now

Just mesh black box lol

[hoary zodiac]

I have this mess of a setup

Really should get a kvm at some point

[mortal grail]

Damn that's a mess alright

[hoary zodiac]

I also have a third laptop that won't let me boot from usb

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHAHAHHA

Save that to the out of context chat

[mortal grail]

It's all over the pic

God damn

[mortal grail]

Meh I'm watching something

[hoary zodiac]

Must be Alfred

[mortal grail]

You do it lol

[tight agate]

Hm, what msrp...😓

[mortal grail]

599

[hoary zodiac]

Reminder: the 2070 Super was $499 msrp

[mortal grail]

You know what he's right

[hoary zodiac]

I hate inflation

[mortal grail]

That's like the best way to advertise a 9070xt

[tight agate]

Omg, I am a dummy, I on ferraris....

[mortal grail]

LMAO

[hoary zodiac]

5700 XT was $399

[mortal grail]

It tied the 1080 ti iirc

[hoary zodiac]

2070S too

[mortal grail]

9070xt, matches xtx for 600

[hoary zodiac]

Just no RT

It's ridiculous how much the gpu prices have gone up

[mortal grail]

That's the best way to look at the 9070xt

[hoary zodiac]

Like the 9070XT is actually reasonable

[mortal grail]

We gained $100

[hoary zodiac]

1080ti msrp was $699

AMD's flagship is $699

I'll take that

[tight agate]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-out-rage-parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-gif-17688925

About to throw my pc

[hoary zodiac]

I am curious on what the lower end market will be like

Because there is an entire gap from the $150- ~$300(?) range

And with the price increases

It's only going up

I wouldn't buy any new gpus between $150-$300

For $300+ there is the 6950XT

...refurb

[pliant berry]

Well there is Intel… if stock exists

[hoary zodiac]

I'd take a refurb at this point

[tight agate]

Just send me a link, I am about to just give up. Trying to type since 2 minutes and it bring me to ferrari and journal talking about the card.

[hoary zodiac]

This market is stupid

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah I'm holding off on intel

They're good in that price bracket but still have some growing pains

Next gen we might see some serious competition between intel amd and nvidia

...if nvidia actually decides to compete

[mortal grail]

I don't have a link lad. They won't be anywhere for another 3.5 hours

Stores are intentionally hiding links until the launch to avoid scalping

[tight agate]

I mean, just give image of it...

[mortal grail]

Actually mb, 2.5 hours

[tight agate]

Because I am arriving on cars on google for some unkown reasons

[mortal grail]

Xfx swift 9070 xt
Asus prime 9070 xt
Powercolor reaper 9070 xt
Sapphire pulse 9070 xt
Gigabyte gaming 9070 xt

Just remember those

[tight agate]

It already noted

[mortal grail]

Oh asrock cl 9070 xt as well but the jury is out on that one tbh

Those are the 6 msrp models

I would pick amongst those only

Xfx swift is the one I'm most interested in personally

[tight agate]

Bro

[mortal grail]

There's 6 models

You can pick another one instead of the swift

[tight agate]

I hm.

Will take a risk, going to go with Gigabite elite.

I should just go with it

I feeling it the one

[mortal grail]

Pray it's like 700 max

Lol

[tacit geode]

stop spreading misinformation lol

[rough zinc]

[tacit geode]

it happened 1 time

and cause gas station didnt have 91

oh wow i was gone for almost 2 months that time

neato

[tight agate]

Will see, if it happen's might go to the gaming one

[mortal grail]

I'm considering a gaming one

It will suck for overclocking tho

So xfx #1 to me

Me want swift

[fierce grove]

swift is good?

cuz ima get it to

planning to actually

[mortal grail]

Swift is better than I expected yeah

[fierce grove]

but yeah

[fierce grove]

really?

how come

[mortal grail]

Way better with temps than expectations

But swift is 320mm, xfx has a history of good binning, and they seem to have decent enough temps

So swift is def on my radar

Pulse is still gonna be nice af to get

[fierce grove]

betttt

i got my eyes on best buy rn

ordering that shi immediately

pulse is gonna be my backup

seems like we got the same plan

[rough zinc]

waterblock itttt

[mortal grail]

Why

[rough zinc]

just do it

[mortal grail]

If I'm gonna waterblock anything I won't buy any card

I already have 2 loops

I don't want 3

Lmao

[rough zinc]

3 is the magic number

[mortal grail]

For maintenance hell yes

Been there

No thanks

[fierce grove]

what does that mean

[rough zinc]

Now

[mortal grail]

He uses a shield made of water

[rough zinc]

Have you considered combining the 3 loops into one big loop

Easy maintenance

[mortal grail]

I'd need like 150ft of hose tube

And 10 pumps

How about no

[rough zinc]

Hardware store tubing cheap

And only 1 pool pump needed

[mortal grail]

Lemme just linus my whole setup yeah?

Gonna leak one night all over the xtx

[fierce grove]

i usually drink that

[rough zinc]

You ain't Linus tho

[mortal grail]

Felix* tech tips

[rough zinc]

You Felix, Felix fixes things

except for me

[mortal grail]

Felix fix tips

[mortal grail]

i can fix you

[fierce grove]

Flexible Felix 🚫 Inflexible Felix ✅

[fierce grove]

fix this

[hoary zodiac]

Niche flags are so expensive

[mortal grail]

If you think about it, the way I rant about PC's this is lowkey true

Lmao

[fierce grove]

i call patrick subaru

[mortal grail]

They'll be cheap rn cos Alfred's outside

[rough zinc]

Subuwu

[mortal grail]

Now is ur chance

[rough zinc]

Time for me to leave

[fierce grove]

alfred usually scalps up all the gpus before we can buy them

[fierce grove]

sigh

[rough zinc]

I didnt need to know thatttt

[hoary zodiac]

$30 for a flag

💀

It would look nice next to my aussie flag tho

Matching color scheme and had a union jack and everything

[mortal grail]

But don't you like your cOwOrkers?

[rough zinc]

Self employed

[rough zinc]

no

[fierce grove]

what’s race car backwards

[mortal grail]

Nascar

[hoary zodiac]

What's the derivative of a car

[mortal grail]

Pram

Can someone like make an ai out of every message I've sent here

[hoary zodiac]

ln(car)

Felixbot would be funny

[mortal grail]

I could get it to answer questions like I'm always here

And make sass at stupid sentences

[hoary zodiac]

I'm gonna indoctrinate it into constantly making deez nuts jokes

[mortal grail]

Just you?

Let's both

Lmao

[hoary zodiac]

Sorebot

[elfin mural]

What the hell is this phone name

Is it a pro or is it a lite

[mortal grail]

It's a pro me

But lost weight

[rough zinc]

0, find the integral of a car

[mortal grail]

Carc

[hoary zodiac]

• c

[rough zinc]

Show your work

[mortal grail]

Uh

Car

C

[hoary zodiac]

-horse(x) + c

[elfin mural]

but-

[mortal grail]

The 2nd derivative of this is glue

[elfin mural]

the pro has 3 rear cams

[mortal grail]

💀

[elfin mural]

wuh

the pro lite has 4

but each individual sensor is worse

[hoary zodiac]

maybe the sensors are worse

[elfin mural]

yes

that's the point

[hoary zodiac]

Dee

See

I have a nikon D7000

[mortal grail]

Sensitive pro

[hoary zodiac]

I am the destroyer of phones

[rough zinc]

Needs more camerahh

[mental yoke]

i kinda like the pixel 9 pro over the iphone 16 pro camera

[rough zinc]

Nah that's Felix with his xperia

[hoary zodiac]

LMAO

[mortal grail]

You shut

[mental yoke]

although the pixel does a lot of weird trash ai processing on my photos

[rough zinc]

Nuh uh

[mortal grail]

Mr leaky gpu

Ek lah loop

[rough zinc]

Mr software killer

[mortal grail]

Ur loop so bad ek don't even exist no more

[rough zinc]

Say that like it's a problem

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-tongue-silly-make-face-disney-gif-16415976

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder if I should go out to the city and take some shots after Alfred dies

Maybe I can get some decent shots of the damage

[rough zinc]

Have you considered just shooting Alfred?

It's the American way

[hoary zodiac]

Need a very big gun

[mortal grail]

[FREE BIRD INTENSIFIES]

[rough zinc]

Big gun cheap

[pseudo raven]

cant believe im actually camping outside a microcenter lol

well camping is a big word more like sitting on a chair

[rough zinc]

We all did it at least once lol

[mortal grail]

Imagine chair

[hoary zodiac]

Bro is spawn peeking the 9070xt

[pseudo raven]

i will get one at msrp

[rough zinc]

Except I forgot about chair when I went

[pseudo raven]

or i will cave and buy a 720 one

but i think im ahead enough in line to get one at msrp

[rough zinc]

I remember camping for a 3070 and them having just enough for everyone in line up to me

[pseudo raven]

200+ already and the store opens in about two hours

yeah when the 3070 came out i was still in high school so

i had to camp best buy in school instead

now im an adult and can make terrible decisions myself like this

[hoary zodiac]

There's a best buy in your school?

[pseudo raven]

nah the app

[hoary zodiac]

Oh

[pseudo raven]

i would camp the app everyday around 9am

[mental yoke]

[pseudo raven]

and got one in lke feb finally

also this was during covid so

class was online

xd

[tacit geode]

what up dudes tho

[hoary zodiac]

Alfred

[fierce grove]

why not just order online

[mental yoke]

some people like the experience of being around a bunch of other mouth breathing meat bags

[pseudo raven]

hahaha

[tacit geode]

ok well time for me to dip for a few months again

[pseudo raven]

theres only one msrp variant online

[tacit geode]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bye-now-chris-brander-ryan-reynolds-just-friends-see-ya-gif-6955836149231105420

[hoary zodiac]

Comes in
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves

[rough zinc]

Dallas be that one kid in your friend group's gc to leave to try to get attention

[hoary zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[mental yoke]

best way to add entropy to the universe

is amd offering any new interesting tech on the new hotness?

[hoary zodiac]

Yes

[mental yoke]

i really wish they would put.... usb-c back on gpus :stare:

[hoary zodiac]

Actually having supply

[mental yoke]

like i loved usb-c on my 2080ti

why would they get rid of that its so convenient, itll come back, but

like dude just do it now

[hoary zodiac]

Is it a DP through USB C thing

That also acts like a regular usb port

[mental yoke]

the 2080ti had a literal full fledged fat usb-c interface into the pci lanes

u could do everything through it

it was literally amazing

[hoary zodiac]

It does sound like a good idea

[mental yoke]

ok you cant push 8k 120hz but like...

[hoary zodiac]

Considering that you can literally drive a monitor with DP through usb C

[mental yoke]

yes i used it on portable monitors without powersupplies as well

[rough zinc]

Usb-c only supports up to 4k60 which is kinda mid these days

[mental yoke]

no

usb c supports way more than that

pretty sure im looking at 8k 120hz usb c monitors right now

[hoary zodiac]

With compression*

[mental yoke]

with compatability features, you can throw 8k 120hz through usb c

its the connectors and wires everyone is using that determines it, it was just the bane to get a common physical connector shape

[rough zinc]

I've yet to see a single cable out there support more than 4k60 even if the monitor can

[hoary zodiac]

You can only run up to 5120 x 2880 without compression

According to the spec

[mental yoke]

is that tb5?

[mental yoke]

my pc is literally 4k 120hz full color gamut 🤷‍♀️

[storm narwhal]

DSP

[hoary zodiac]

https://www.displayport.org/displayport-over-usb-c/

[storm narwhal]

That signal is being compressed

[hoary zodiac]

This is from the official specifications

[mental yoke]

8k @ 60hz

[hoary zodiac]

You have to compress it past the spec

[mental yoke]

[storm narwhal]

Yep

[hoary zodiac]

You can run it at 8k yes

The signal's just compressed

[storm narwhal]

Anything past what it can handle is compressed

[mental yoke]

but its not like they couldnt stick a new hdmi/dp spec into the usb-c shape

[storm narwhal]

Doesnt mean it can't run it, but it's not as good

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah you can run 8k

[mental yoke]

theyve already done it

[hoary zodiac]

You might just have some image quality dropoffs

If you can notice them

[mortal grail]

Dp80 does 8k60 guys

[mental yoke]

but usb-c on the 2080ti was 👌 🤤

[mortal grail]

Actually may even be 8k120

It's quite high

[mental yoke]

it is

[hoary zodiac]

Over usb c?

[mortal grail]

4:4:2? 10 bit hdr

[mental yoke]

u can throw anything over usb-c its just the physical connector shape

[mortal grail]

Dp

Tb can support dp

Dp 80 is 80gbps

[hoary zodiac]

I wish we have thunderbolt on more consumer devices

But ya know

[storm narwhal]

It just has usb overhead

[hoary zodiac]

Intel thing

[mortal grail]

It's also compliant is the main thing

[hoary zodiac]

Are there AMD devices with TB?

[storm narwhal]

But it still works

[mental yoke]

i just bought a full tb5 apple cable, its. so. heavy 🤤

[mortal grail]

I have a board with it

[mental yoke]

yea getting into spec/compliance is a whole other beast -.-

[mortal grail]

Many recent amd products have usb 4

[hoary zodiac]

I wish TB is more widespread

[mortal grail]

Which is tb3 compatible

[hoary zodiac]

Oh god that can be taken out of context

[mental yoke]

go play plague inc

[hoary zodiac]

hmmm

How much do the cables cost these days?

[mental yoke]

i dropped 70 on the apple tb5 1m cable

but its apple

but its also apple

[mortal grail]

$20

Usb 4 is inexpensive

[mental yoke]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC9C4AM/A/thunderbolt-5-usb‑c-pro-cable-1-m

[hoary zodiac]

Ugreen TB cable?

[mortal grail]

Ye

[hoary zodiac]

Based

How's the usb overhead tho

[mortal grail]

I practice at least most of what I preach lmao

[devout forum]

Welp

[mortal grail]

Never bothered to try

[devout forum]

As much as the 9070 XT looks to be awesome

[mortal grail]

It is tb3 compatible but never tested

Just know that it works

[devout forum]

It's 100% DOA here because it's costing 5080 money more or less

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder how good it could be as an alternative to 2.5GbE direct connection to a nas

[mental yoke]

how much does the 5080 beat it?

[devout forum]

I hate everything

[mental yoke]

in perf

[devout forum]

It's not the issue

[mental yoke]

oh

[hoary zodiac]

OH

Usb 4 is way faster

[devout forum]

The issue is that it's 2 months pay for me

[mental yoke]

yea i see, top tier behind two models of the competition

[devout forum]

Like actually

[mental yoke]

oh.

[hoary zodiac]

I mean even usb 3 is faster but

[elfin mural]

9070XT in the us can be had for 600

[hoary zodiac]

Overhead

[elfin mural]

but other countries are different

[devout forum]

Stores themselves are scalping them here

There's no stock anywhere

To be completely fair

[mortal grail]

I might be in luck dude

[devout forum]

I don't see them properly on sale here yet

[mortal grail]

It'll be around 1k to 1.2k here

[devout forum]

There's always like a week or 2 of delay before we get anything

[mortal grail]

Nyoom

[hoary zodiac]

You know what

[devout forum]

But like

[hoary zodiac]

I might buy one and build a pc

[devout forum]

It's pain

[hoary zodiac]

Then sell it online

[devout forum]

Is the 9070 XT launch worldwide for today?

Like it's supposed to be available everywhere right?

[hoary zodiac]

I need money so might as well

Although I doubt people would have the money for pcs with Alfred wrecking everything

[devout forum]

It's not a staggered launch is it?

It's not "US gets them first, Europe a week later, Asia another week later"

Just everywhere at once
Right?

Please tell me it's just not been 24 hours since embargo lift

Or like timezones being weird

[hoary zodiac]

Camp in Germany

[devout forum]

I might be tripping balls

Thought 24 hours already passed since the review embargo lifted

I guess it didn't

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder if I could drop 3K on a gaming pc and sell it for 4K

[devout forum]

Probably ye
Depending on the GPU

If it has 50 series in it

You can pretty much sell for as much as you want

[hoary zodiac]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/WvDZqH

$2.5k sell for $3K

Hmmm

[devout forum]

But then you kinda have to provide tech support too

[sage sluice]

Be sure to take tax into account

[devout forum]

At least here you do

[hoary zodiac]

Nah

[sage sluice]

If theres one thing i miss about living in Delaware is the lack of sales tax 😔

[opaque sedge]

God the red devil cards look fantastic

[devout forum]

They are spiffy

But probably too expensive for me

[hoary zodiac]

Hmmm

I could get an AliExpress cpu

[sage sluice]

Im so tempted to sell my gre for one ngl

Red devil gre

[opaque sedge]

Oh interesting looks like both the 9070 and 9070xt red devil cards use the same shroud cept the 9070xt has three pcie power ports

[devout forum]

Get it first, sell the current one later

[sage sluice]

Im too broke lol

[devout forum]

That's like

[sage sluice]

Ill just hold onto the gre at that point

[devout forum]

Fair

[opaque sedge]

Powercolor was probably trying to do some production line consolidation and saving or smth

[devout forum]

I'mma be honest

I don't see the point of a Red Devil 9070

[hoary zodiac]

ooooo 7700 is half the price

[dusk knot]

Hm

[hoary zodiac]

I'm tempted to build a pc now

[devout forum]

XT sure, it high end
But the 9070 isn't really that

[sage sluice]

9070xt would be the one id grab

[hoary zodiac]

$2K for build for $3K is doable

[elfin mural]

9070 needs to drop price

[opaque sedge]

I mean i can technically get my 600 back for my 4070super… but that would first require my 4070super to break… to claim that microcenter warranty

[sage sluice]

After all 9070 is just there to make the 9070xt look pretty right?

[hoary zodiac]

And I know for a fact 9070xt is going up

[elfin mural]

that's all it needs

yes

[opaque sedge]

Ofc i aint gonna do that cuz i risk not having a gpu for a good while

[hoary zodiac]

Should I get a 9070xt to build a pc

[elfin mural]

it's to make people buy the XT

[hoary zodiac]

As an investment

[elfin mural]

not sure if you'll manage to resell it

[mental yoke]

asking about investment is kind of disengenrous without giving us full access to ur financials

[elfin mural]

as a stranger

[hoary zodiac]

I can literally mark the entire pc up by $1000 by supply and demand

[hoary zodiac]

True

Marketplace would be a bit tricky eh

Especially for new parts

[sage sluice]

My pc is pretty much new lol

[mental yoke]

if u think u can make a grand and wanna do it then do it

[opaque sedge]

Same

[sage sluice]

The only issue

[mental yoke]

sensors?

[opaque sedge]

But seeing that almost xtx perf on a card that costs as much as the card i got… has me feeling conflicted

[mental yoke]

oh god those are pins

what happened

[hoary zodiac]

Did the header snap off

[opaque sedge]

What in the fu

[mental yoke]

looks like just a fan header

and just a missing pin, u could solder something on honestly but

[sage sluice]

Rgb header

[opaque sedge]

Oh

[mental yoke]

oh so useless mostly

[opaque sedge]

Good riddance

Tbh

[sage sluice]

But rgb can be controlled through their software lmao

[mental yoke]

route that extra crap to power the proc plz

[sage sluice]

You forget the 200% performance boost from eyesore rgb

[mental yoke]

ngl hidden benefit of this new intro im doing to apple 😏

[opaque sedge]

I’m thinking of getting some black arctic fans to replace the rgb ones that came with my case its so effing annoying to look at

[sage sluice]

I need a prettier case before i do that

[mental yoke]

too many little extra points of failure in led fans

[sage sluice]

Just redid the cable management last week

[hoary zodiac]

Here's the thing

[opaque sedge]

I was playing metaphor yesterday and j think i missed a crucial dialogue line in the main story quest cuz i was distracted for a good 5 seconds looking at the light changing colors

[hoary zodiac]

This would be my competition

If I could get in on the ground floor

[opaque sedge]

That better be effing aud

[hoary zodiac]

I can sell it at 2.5-3K

[sage sluice]

Holy scam

[hoary zodiac]

Yes

[mental yoke]

australia

[sage sluice]

Oh

Lol nvm

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah but

[sage sluice]

I see that now

[hoary zodiac]

Look at this

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/PgCdJn

[mental yoke]

its always australians asking about building pcs cus of them being on a big desolate island

[opaque sedge]

Somewhat overpriced ngl

[mental yoke]

streamers too

[opaque sedge]

But australia prolly has an import tax or smth

[elfin mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhsvrhedA9E

steve review

[mental yoke]

thats not even a horrible price at all

[sage sluice]

For a super it could be worse

[hoary zodiac]

My pcpp list is $2174

[elfin mural]

radeon more efficient than nvidia

no way

[hoary zodiac]

And it has a 9070xt

Genuinely considering it

[elfin mural]

amd legit killing nvidia

lmao

[hoary zodiac]

I might legit make money

[sage sluice]

Amd tryna be nvidia with 9060/xt

[opaque sedge]

Dont tell me amd doesnt even need to drop the price of the 9070 to undercut the 5070 💀

[sage sluice]

Vram 8 gigs

[mental yoke]

i like power efficient and quiet

but i still want balls out 8k 120hz

[hoary zodiac]

What

4K is already a pipedream

[elfin mural]

yes

[opaque sedge]

They prolly trying to sell the 9070xt more rn

[elfin mural]

it already roasts the 5070 in every way

more vram

[mental yoke]

i do 4k already its not a pipedream here its an old reality

[elfin mural]

same perf

same price

more efficient

[sage sluice]

But why not 12gigs vram?

[elfin mural]

well technically

[hoary zodiac]

I mean what do you play tho

[opaque sedge]

So like nvidia they aint gonna give a damn abt the entry level

[elfin mural]

the 5070 IS MORE expensive than even the 9070XT

[sage sluice]

Theyre gonna become nvidia if they ever feel like they have the upperhand

Both companies are greedy asf

[elfin mural]

because of the lack of supply

[mental yoke]

oof

9070 beats it tho perf wise?

[mental yoke]

anything i want

[elfin mural]

9070 is equal

9070XT is faster

[hoary zodiac]

that's not very specific

[elfin mural]

9070XT is almost as fast as 5070ti

[mental yoke]

good

maybe ill yeet a 9070 xt

[elfin mural]

you totally should

[hoary zodiac]

I'd assume you don't play the stupidly optimised games then

[elfin mural]

if you don't wanna pay $900 for a 5070ti

[opaque sedge]

Cuz thats likely gonna drive away potential buyers of the more expensive cards cuz tbh the avg gamer looking for an upgrade rn prolly wants to run newer games better and if they see a good entry level option they are likely not gonna consider the more expensive ones at all

[mental yoke]

i dunno some people care about money but i dont really when talking tech its not the price its the thing

[elfin mural]

either way it's best to not overspend

[hoary zodiac]

Overspending for what

[mental yoke]

agreed. 9070 looks like what i want for where stuff is at technology wise

[hoary zodiac]

A couple percent

[elfin mural]

for nvidia yes

[hoary zodiac]

Nvidia moment

[mental yoke]

nvidia is subsidizing their ai with ur money heavily

[elfin mural]

you'd have to be delusional to pay 900 for a 70ti class gpu

[mental yoke]

which isnt a bad idea, its an investment and a business decision

[sage sluice]

Well thats why you wait to release the entry option until after. Sell the good stuff first, pop in with "surprise good value!!"

[idle flax]

Where is it at I thought it’s released at 0800 EST

[hoary zodiac]

https://www.reddit.com

[mental yoke]

i dont think amd is as heavily in the ai bandwagon as nvidia, not that it doesnt exist

[opaque sedge]

Vicious marketing and engineering man it actually feels like the radeon marketing, engineering, and logistics teams are actually communicating this time around

[elfin mural]

fsr 4 uses frame gen too

fsr 3 also

[mental yoke]

but u can see where the pwoer is being delivered on the cards and why that design is the driving factor behind what ur being sold

[hoary zodiac]

Nah AMD just decided not to screw over their core consumer base this generation

Nvidia doesn't care they have all the market share they can do whatever they want

[mental yoke]

well, two main competitors can alternate the screwing over the loyal fan base

thats strategic

[hoary zodiac]

So we get low quality silicon while the good stuff goes to the ai bros

[elfin mural]

if the 6070xt was 750 bucks i'd be mad

[sage sluice]

As much as i hate nvidia and their marketing i do think "ai" (trained computer algorithms) upscaling will be the future of fine tuning graphics to be more realistic comfortably

[elfin mural]

sorry, 9070xt

im mixing things up

[hoary zodiac]

The games would also have to be optimised

[mental yoke]

ai upscaling is prolly the best thing to come out of ai minus some of the medical stuff. im not saying all the other stuff isnt as cool, who doesnt want funny cat images on demand but i agree

[hoary zodiac]

I bet most modern AAA games can't make use of the full gpu

[opaque sedge]

That would prolly work if amd had a big pool of potential buyers but lets be honest people are very likely gonna still flock to the 5060 this generation

[elfin mural]

ai upscaling is nice, but it should not be used as a crutch

im all for cool ai tech helping us

[hoary zodiac]

And like

[sage sluice]

Nah the best ai thing is those ai grannys who troll scam callers all day

[elfin mural]

but we are using it as a crutch

[hoary zodiac]

The thing I was saying about 4K earlier

[elfin mural]

instead of making it improve what is already good

[mental yoke]

i wouldnt call it a crutch as much as another avenue of delivering content

[hoary zodiac]

We could be on 4K right now if games are more optimised

[opaque sedge]

Cough cough monster hunter wilds

[hoary zodiac]

But the average is 1440p

[sage sluice]

They were already lost causes fr fr

[hoary zodiac]

Because games run like crap

[mental yoke]

if we get connected enogh u could easilty stream 8k 120h into ur eye sockets from satelites but thats like way future tech

[hoary zodiac]

what

[tight agate]

1 hour left

[opaque sedge]

Funny thing is it looks effing capcom didn’t even optimize the performance gain from the upscaling

[elfin mural]

honestly

[mental yoke]

people think marvel drone alternate reality thing is fake but its not

🤷‍♀️

[elfin mural]

monster hunter wilds requiring frame gen for min spec

[opaque sedge]

Based on online performance benchmarks

[elfin mural]

is crazy

[mental yoke]

wilds looks real good ngl

[sage sluice]

Tbf optimization isnt at all easy, not that it excuses the laziness that goes into a lot of devs opti

[hoary zodiac]

I mean it is

[mental yoke]

it is but its also not

[opaque sedge]

And they didn’t even optimize upscaling and frame gen settings by the looks of it

[hoary zodiac]

It is

[devout forum]

Guys I'm tweaking so hard rn

[mental yoke]

👍

[hoary zodiac]

It is at least a century ahead of current science

[sage sluice]

No tweaking

[devout forum]

JUST LET ME BUY THE 9070 XT ALREADY

[sage sluice]

Only teching

[elfin mural]

frame gen is great if done right

[hoary zodiac]

You have to be able to manipulate matter

[mental yoke]

twerk instead blackhole

[hoary zodiac]

To construct images in that manner

[elfin mural]

nfs unbound has great framegen

[mental yoke]

twerking > tweaking

[devout forum]

Not stooping that low

[mental yoke]

[sage sluice]

Frame gen is great until my healthbar is on the other side of the screen when i move my head

[mental yoke]

get low, nice

[hoary zodiac]

Just frame gen yourself more hp

[sage sluice]

True true

[mental yoke]

i kinda want to meme and get an mac pro with wheels and the full gpu config

[elfin mural]

funny thing is

[hoary zodiac]

M4 mac mini is goated

[elfin mural]

LSFG is doing better than most games' built in FG solutions

that duck app

lossless scaling

[mental yoke]

ive been extremely pleasantly surprised with apple, ive been windows/android my whole life

and im old 👴

[hoary zodiac]

See here's the thing

People always forget about software

Yeah you have a 5090 but your game makes it run like a 1030

[mental yoke]

this isnt even just software but its just a more harmonious integration of the hardware with the software

nvidia is trying that with rebar?

or intel

intel needs to step up their gpu game

[elfin mural]

intel's drivers are atrocious rn

[opaque sedge]

Do u guys think potential gpu buyers are gonna compare the 9070xt to the 5070 or the 5070ti?

[opaque sedge]

Amd clearly was looking compete against the 5070ti

[elfin mural]

also it's crazy to see a 5090 need frame gen to max out games at 4k

that is just sad

[mental yoke]

wait what

[hoary zodiac]

https://www.reddit.com

[elfin mural]

some games it's that bad

[opaque sedge]

But its priced so close to the 5070 people might just compare it to that

[elfin mural]

a lot of em, the 5090 wrecks em all

[mental yoke]

prolly both like ur doing now

[elfin mural]

but dare play a physx enabled game and turn that feature on

[opaque sedge]

A blank reddit link?

[elfin mural]

and your fps falls to 20s

[opaque sedge]

This some new type of rickroll

[hoary zodiac]

The redditors are gonna argue over the gpus

They probably already are

[mental yoke]

i originally bought two 2080ti's and put them in sli to play cyberpunk at 4k but they couldnt do it, sli was bad tech. for gaming

[hoary zodiac]

The tech isn't bad

[opaque sedge]

Always have been

[hoary zodiac]

It was impractical

[mental yoke]

ok they could do 4k but they couldnt go past 30 comfortably

[hoary zodiac]

So nobody bothered to support it

[mental yoke]

it worked good for uhh... adobe stuff

[hoary zodiac]

The problem isn't SLI it's the lack of support

[hoary zodiac]

Which you could do without using sli

[rancid juniper]

Hold up, is it official driver day for AMD? I GOTTA CHECK

Also good morning eggs

[hoary zodiac]

nvlink does have some productivity advantages

[tight agate]

Morning

[mental yoke]

yea sli did a few things i wanted i could just have them separate and did when mining

[hoary zodiac]

But you don't need it to run multi gpu configs

[opaque sedge]

Bro is unafraid he truly is the compooper destructionist

[sage sluice]

Have any of yall sold cards on Facebook market place before?

[hoary zodiac]

For productivity software

nah

I'm thinking of selling an entire pc

[rancid juniper]

I always try to install the latest drivers (except optional)

[hoary zodiac]

Because I ain't a scalper

[sage sluice]

I might do the same honestly

[mental yoke]

like in person?

[sage sluice]

In person sell yee

[mental yoke]

had a boy get shot and killed over a car on fb market place, i just use ebay now personally but just be cautious i guess

[sage sluice]

Not ship

[opaque sedge]

Yh atleast if amd drivers are bad rn they haven’t been bad enough to literally break gpus

[hoary zodiac]

Shipping is annoying

[sage sluice]

I have a handgun that i keep with me

[mental yoke]

👍

[hoary zodiac]

Average yankee

[sage sluice]

Its legal in my state without a permit 😭

[hoary zodiac]

wtf

[sage sluice]

Concealed carry

[sage sluice]

Mhm

[mental yoke]

whoops sorry

[rancid juniper]

It's super ironic knowing that people would favor Nvidia due to AMD's past driver reputation, and now it's the opposite + worse

[mental yoke]

why cant people just get along tho fr

[sage sluice]

Lol i wish

[rancid juniper]

Humanity bro

That's really difficult to pull off

[mental yoke]

total 180 yea

[sage sluice]

Too many selfish ass mfs

[hoary zodiac]

Ask Serbia and every single one of their neighbours

[opaque sedge]

Fr i encountered some fairly minor driver issues when i had the 7900xt but a lil bit of ddu and downloading older drivers would solve em immediately

[mental yoke]

i think it was am4 for amd that they really had growing pains with

[opaque sedge]

Nothing like what u hear abt nvidia drivers rn

[hoary zodiac]

I wouldn't say so

AM4 had momentum from the very beginning

[idle flax]

So what times release

[hoary zodiac]

Yes zen/zen+ was absolutely dogcrap

But they had a lot of goodwill

[sage sluice]

Id only sell on marketplace at a public location anyway

[hoary zodiac]

Turns out people wanted more than 4 cores

[mental yoke]

but all the bios updates needed for new cpu purchases and old mobo' purchases by new pc builders was a cluster of fun

[opaque sedge]

It was the first and second ryzen they struggled with no

[hoary zodiac]

Yes but they were still fairly popular

They had a good product

[opaque sedge]

Ah cuz of the weirder named older one

[hoary zodiac]

Gaming's not the only use case on the planet

[opaque sedge]

Ati or what was it

[opaque sedge]

Its not?!?

[mental yoke]

ati was the old amd gpu div right?

to be fair, if u can game on it, u can do other things on it

its a good benchmark of a pcs capability

[opaque sedge]

Jk btw

[hoary zodiac]

Lower end ryzen was also very appealing

Cheap quad cores

Cheap 6 cores

Cheap cores in general

Yes the cores were crap

[rancid juniper]

The wildest thing is that most of the driver problems can be easily solved but wouldn't dare try any extra second of troubleshooting

[hoary zodiac]

But they helped in some cases

[opaque sedge]

And cheap cache too i assume

[hoary zodiac]

Not until zen 2

[opaque sedge]

Oh

[hoary zodiac]

And well if we wanna talk about zen 2

[mental yoke]

troubleshooting is an art form for sure though and a lot of people lack it especially in technology

[hoary zodiac]

Zen 2 was a massive W

[rancid juniper]

Yep...

[hoary zodiac]

Then Zen 3 flipped the hierarchy

[mental yoke]

i lack using proper punctuation

[hoary zodiac]

Eh it's discord

[rancid juniper]

Intel after being cocky for so long are now on life support

[mental yoke]

its a bad life support too

[rancid juniper]

This is from the same company that made FX bruh

[mental yoke]

they are just coasting on the left overs of the empire rn, they seem....

[opaque sedge]

So amd cpus atleast from zen2 and after have an abundant amt of l3 cache right but wbt l2 and l1?

[hoary zodiac]

Intel is coming back

[mental yoke]

i dont even know actually i havent really thought to analyze intel on the global tech stage

[hoary zodiac]

Soon...

[rancid juniper]

Core ultra 2 copium lmfao

[mental yoke]

ngl intels bios bug thing kinda turned me off

[opaque sedge]

Their current mobile cpus seem to be somewhat promising

[mental yoke]

thats a lot of silicon im actively avoiding

[opaque sedge]

Even the igpus in them too surprisingly

[hoary zodiac]

14th gen is fine now as long as you update the bios

[mental yoke]

heres the thing as me as a consumer: dont care. too late. dont want it. will not buy it

so like intel lost money there but im not against buying intel in the future

[opaque sedge]

Guys i’m not tripping right?

#build-pics message

[mental yoke]

but thats a crappy bug when u read it

[mental yoke]

slightly unseated

[hoary zodiac]

That's an 8pin tho

[mental yoke]

and the other connector is up not down

[opaque sedge]

Still not ideal i assume

[hoary zodiac]

@full apex

Hey, your pcie connector is slightly unseated

[mental yoke]

could work fine, just a possible safety issue if it falls out

could even arc in a catastrophic failure

[hoary zodiac]

It's no 12vhpwr

But still a risk

[craggy shoal]

@full apex check your GPU power cable bro

[mental yoke]

i like that build though

[craggy shoal]

Yeah it's clean

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah it might just catch on fire

To be fair

[small ridge]

@hoary zodiac turns out in my country an RTX 4060 TI is somewhat cheaper than an rx 7700 XT

should i just go with an rtx 4060 ti?

[hoary zodiac]

That loose 8 pin is less likely to melt than a 12vhpwr connector

[rancid juniper]

Intel is sleeping on arc and I'm getting increasingly annoyed

[mental yoke]

yea thats thing is fine

[hoary zodiac]

That's properly seated

[hoary zodiac]

Context?

[small ridge]

uhh we've talked like 2 days ago, its about what i wanna pair with my Ryzen 7 5700G

[hoary zodiac]

Uh

You might've got the wrong person

I definitely do not remember any 5700G convos

What was I doing 2 days ago...

Something about Alfred

[small ridge]

dms

[hoary zodiac]

My dms are not open

[small ridge]

too bad it is D:

its just a pic anyway

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah sorry it's just my general policy

[small ridge]

just check ittttt

[hoary zodiac]

Are you sure you didn't talk to some other person?

They might know more about your scenario than I do

[small ridge]

if u check what i sent you'd def know who i was talking to

[rancid juniper]

still...nothing...NEW??!?!?!?

[hoary zodiac]

Plus I'm about to go to bed so I can't help

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-slamming-breaking-computer-gif-18379804

[small ridge]

hi

[rough zinc]

Bro cant take rejection

[opaque sedge]

If ur not playing any new games that need specific driver support i dont think it matters much

[hoary zodiac]

Alfred about to do that to my local area

[opaque sedge]

Who’s alfred

[hoary zodiac]

Gonna go to bed now hope I don't wake up with a roof missing tomorrow

[hoary zodiac]

Death and destruction

[opaque sedge]

🤨

[fresh timber]

Remember when installing the latest had problems

Amd the goat now

[rancid juniper]

ello

[rancid juniper]

no I WANT OFFICIAL

[rancid juniper]

😔

[small ridge]

im curious, when i look up my APU on the website, it doesnt exist anymore? for context its the Ryzen 7 5700G

[rancid juniper]

are you looking it up for info or for drivers/firmware?

[small ridge]

both

info and drivers

it used to have its own page in the website

like what the other cpus have

[wary fjord]

hmm making GPT hallucinate.

[small ridge]

but now its gone

[rancid juniper]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/processors/ryzen/ryzen-5000-series/amd-ryzen-7-5700g.html

[fresh timber]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/download/drivers.html

[fresh timber]

Grrr beat me

[rancid juniper]

lel

[small ridge]

ty

[rancid juniper]

np

[unreal trail]

[rough zinc]

Never existed

[small ridge]

btw what does an L2 cache and L3 cache do?

[rough zinc]

Video games levels, keeps track of what level youre on

L1 being level 1, L2 being level 2 and so on

[craggy shoal]

Think of it like RAM but it's way smaller and it's directly on your CPU (there's also L3 cache, which is also on your CPU)

Temporary memory that’s fed to the CPU when the CPU needs it

[rancid juniper]

those are not 9070 xt

[rough zinc]