general-chat

[idle nexus]

I'm pretty sure I could lift up the entire PC with how strong those things hold

specifically AM5 compatible makes it easier but most blocks will work anyway

I'm using a Thermaltake W7+ on AM5 & that came out like 3 years before AM5 was a thing lol

[proud jackal]

i have fittings already

[idle nexus]

I lost all the mounting hardware except the like retaining nuts so I had to make it work lol

sounds like you're definitely doing a loop then haha

which case? how many rads? what sizes?

[proud jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZ4AcM1FVc

[idle nexus]

heckin fancy jeez

[idle nexus]

seriously tho, don't use that stupid colored coolant

believe me, you'll want to

[proud jackal]

i took it out months ago

it stained everything

and turned into slime

[idle nexus]

you'll think it looks so amazingly cool

[frigid stag]

It gets gunk in the tubes

[proud jackal]

[lone mango]

I dont think there will be blocks for fe 5090 unless they design it to house the io and pcie connections

[frigid stag]

I kinda want to try a water loop but only using budget parts

[idle nexus]

dude I still find remnants of EK Electric Purple Opaque coolant in my rads 3 years later

[frigid stag]

Like a 200 to 300$ water loop

[idle nexus]

it can definitely be done

[frigid stag]

Ye I heard AliExpress is good for those

[lone mango]

So itll still look like a normal watercooled one but there will be empty space on the left side housing the other connections

Thats how I imagine it

[frigid stag]

Most people think it costs as much as the pc cause they only know EK, Corsair etc

[proud jackal]

just need am5 and 5090 block and 5090 and im set

[idle nexus]

I've always used D5 pumps but DDC will be fine

have you seen der8aur's?

the mycro?

[rancid juniper]

@mortal grail

[proud jackal]

the direct die?

[idle nexus]

not sure if you have to delid for it or if it has different options

[lone mango]

2 years later then just need the next gen and im good

And then the next gen

[frigid stag]

I probably have to upgrade my cpu/ board first cause idk if I can find a lga1151 block

[idle nexus]

my first loop was mystery crap fittings from amazon lol

[idle nexus]

performance-pcs is the best place

titanrig too

[frigid stag]

Are quick disconnects any good

[idle nexus]

extremely convenient

typically they're expensive as heck tho

[frigid stag]

Ah

[idle nexus]

I found some Alphacool Plastic ones for the low tho

[proud jackal]

i use titanrig

when they actually have what i need in stock

[frigid stag]

So it’s just alpha cool block, pump, res and some tubes and fittings

[fresh timber]

if yall had a unlimted budget for your pc, wht yall doing?

persoanlly, dual 5090 waterlooped system

and i jsut realised my breaker would trip

gg

[rancid juniper]

4x 5090 system

[idle nexus]

https://www.titanrig.com/alphacool-g14-hf-quick-release-connector-kit-black-0360ac016801on.html?

[frigid stag]

Oh these are pretty affordable

[idle nexus]

performance-pcs will custom coat Optimus blocks

[fresh timber]

i just realiesd two 5090s would mean, one 5090 5.0 16x, one 4.0 4x, or two 4.0 8x

[idle nexus]

I love them they make bench setup so much easier

[fresh timber]

2nd 5090 for show kek~4

[frigid stag]

Ye they must be easy to setup water loop too and drain if you need

[idle nexus]

they're not gonna be as great as the metal ones but they're also really light for my pipe mess lol

I mean they won't look as great I dunno

I use them for bench setup

[rancid juniper]

5090 family

[idle nexus]

QDC fittings are usually like $30 each

[fresh timber]

yEAH ima just go to a single waterlooped 5090

9950x, 9950x3d when that drops, 96gb wam, a bunch of four 8tb nvmes, 5.0 if possible

ngl id prob do the nv5 again and loop it, then another 5090 pc with a 9800x3d as my portal pc

[idle nexus]

p-pcs only has this Optimus V3 in stonk rn https://www.performance-pcs.com/water-cooling/water-blocks/water-blocks-cpu/optimus-signature-v3-cpu-block-amd-silver-ceramic-raw-copper-cold-plate-1.html

heck & it's V3 but not Rev 2 of V3

[proud jackal]

i need the nickle one

[fresh timber]

ngl if i do get a 5080 or 4080 or xtx what ever, i should custom loop kek~4

and hate my self

[idle nexus]

you're doing liquid metal?

[fresh timber]

hellllll nooooooooooooo

dont do that

to ur self

watch the 5090 have issues in a few years

[idle nexus]

I love liquid metal

[fresh timber]

im waiting for my ps5 to have thermal issues

goin enjoy taking it appart and moving the metal around so it sits on the cpu

[idle nexus]

heck even Optimus website is sold out. Crazy how much cheaper it is on here https://optimuspc.com/products/signature-v3-cpu-block-amd?variant=41014759063635

I used liquid metal on a 10900K with an LF2 360mm

with a copper cold plate lol

I had to reapply liquid metal like once a year but I can deal with that

[fresh timber]

if u had my pc for 48 hours and could modify it with unlimted budget within reason what would u do

[idle nexus]

I'd probably try to find a decent Z790 (ideally a 2-DIMM slot) & a relatively inexpensive 2x16gb A-die or 2x24gb M-die kit & spend like 36 of those hours trying to stabilize 8000c34 lol

[fresh timber]

lmfao

id lowkey enjoy the 48gb ram

[atomic mist]

Too be fair Optimus sells out of most of their first and second batch waterblocks

[fresh timber]

i dont even bother overlcoking my gpu anymore

or cpu

my cooler doesnt like it kek~4

[nocturne flicker]

What is this

[idle nexus]

heck there's a Z790 Apex Encore for $449 (used & apparently there were bent pins on CPU socket that were fixed according to the listing). It's kinda crazy Z790 Tachyons are like $200 more

[nocturne flicker]

kek~4

[fresh timber]

broke mans nitro

[nocturne flicker]

How does it work

I do not comprehend

[fresh timber]

idk it just does

[fresh timber]

damn

[nocturne flicker]

It didn't for me

[fresh timber]

my brain keeps going between am5 upgrade and ddr5 upgrade kek~4 remind me that i do not need ddr5

[idle nexus]

iirc the Asrock riptide overclocked memory pretty well

[fresh timber]

wima save my money up until i get a job befoe i buy the fast ddr4

[idle nexus]

AM5 upgrade would include DDR5 upgrade lol

[fresh timber]

and a better x3d cpu!

i think a 9800x3d beats 13600kf in multicore

or is the same roughly

[idle nexus]

hmm it says it supports 8000 memory even tho it's 4-DIMM https://www.newegg.com/asrock-z790-riptide-wifi-atx-intel-z790-lga-1700/p/N82E16813162149

[fresh timber]

wanna know what we need in more motherboads

[idle nexus]

it definitely sounds like a pretty decent board for $230

[fresh timber]

the abiilty to sa ve certin settings to a usb drive or something

[idle nexus]

you can do that

[fresh timber]

:0

i need

[idle nexus]

you can save BIOS profiles on many boards

[fresh timber]

i hate having to remember my old ram oc and redo it

[idle nexus]

you can also save it to the board ofc

[fresh timber]

mines is poopoo, it wipes it if u bios update

[idle nexus]

ya that's typical

[fresh timber]

imagine u could keep it even after a upgrade

[idle nexus]

& if you load a profile from a previous BIOS onto a current one it doesn't exactly work lol

[fresh timber]

true

so u write down ur settings so u can easily redo them?

[idle nexus]

tbh

[fresh timber]

i memorised my primary timings kek~4

idk my others

[idle nexus]

at this point they're pretty much memorized

or just screenshot HWiNFO before update

settings don't always work on newer BIOS

[fresh timber]

whats the difficult part of ddr5 oc

[idle nexus]

but it gives you a good starting point

[fresh timber]

iv only done ddr4

[frigid stag]

Everything

[idle nexus]

imo

there are way too many voltages

[frigid stag]

Xoc guys can’t stand ddr5

[idle nexus]

like so many damn variables

[fresh timber]

yuh, i remembered when i upgraded to the new microcode it made my cpu dip below 5.1ghz on all core loads, of course i made it so it didnt do that kek~4

[idle nexus]

it's hard to isolate problems the way you could on DDR4

[frigid stag]

Only reason I’d get ddr5 is cause newer Evga boards are ddr5 only and they look the best

[idle nexus]

like DDR4 you set loose primaries & raise System Agent & IO voltage until you can't get a higher frequency to POST

[frigid stag]

Z790 dark 👑

[idle nexus]

it's sad there won't be any more EVGA boards

[fresh timber]

thats how i did it, then i figured out that 3600mt/s was too unstable 😭

[idle nexus]

DDR5 it's more of like

[frigid stag]

Yep I’m trying to find a lga1700 one new

[fresh timber]

i think if i tweaked the voltage i could get 3600 to run with out making my timings loose asf

[idle nexus]

sweet spot

[frigid stag]

Some don’t recommend them cause they’re a bit wonky, like there’s this beeping sound

[idle nexus]

& more voltage isn't always helpful

honestly less voltage helps more often

apparently the frequency is so high that if your voltage is too high or too low it borks the signal integrity

[frigid stag]

https://youtube.com/shorts/r7HFIHGGuk0?si=i4_u4wHE4xH2M-px

[fresh timber]

wow

how painful will ddr6 be

lmfao

[idle nexus]

I used mine daily for over 2 years without issues

[frigid stag]

So no buzzing or weird errors

[idle nexus]

afik the reason they did CAMM memory is for better signal integrity

[fresh timber]

o yeah, rip rgb r am

[idle nexus]

also that ClockDriver memory

[fresh timber]

camm is th efuture

[idle nexus]

ya for sure

[fresh timber]

u can waterloom camm

peaked my intrest

[idle nexus]

none I dunno why but lol

I mean I was using 12900K with 7000c32 1T memory

so it's a little dated compared to using it for 13/14th gen ig

ya Z690

[frigid stag]

Ah

[idle nexus]

it's on the floor next to me rn with like 3 little white lights on in standby lol

I stayed with older BIOS

maybe that has something to do with it

[frigid stag]

Ye it’s probably bios version

[idle nexus]

iirc I'm on like the first BIOS they put out when A-die was new lol

...2.03 maybe? it's been awhile

[frigid stag]

Or that guy had an unstable ram oc

[idle nexus]

also, for daily, the DDR4 stress tests can be kinda useless

like I passed like 8 hours overnight of testmem5 antaextreme

then I ran large FFTs on OCCT & failed in like 8 minutes lol

primaries kinda scale weird too

like tCL will scale with voltage but tRCDRD/WR & tRP don't really scale with voltage

& JEDEC guidance on tRAS is like nonsense

JEDEC says run like a three digit number for tRAS at 8000mt/s

yet somehow 34 will run lol

for the most part, DDR5 timings are like DDR4 x2

[idle nexus]

could be for sure. I needed like 1.435v CPU VDDQ to finally get 7000 stable

which still seems like a lot now lol

to get like 8533 running on Apex, I run CPU VDDQ at 1.335v

[frigid stag]

Damn lol

8533 mts is insane tho

[idle nexus]

you pretty much just have to figure out what your motherboard & CPU want. It's not like bdie where there's an easy OC that pretty much works on every Zen 3 CPU or something

it's so much less predictable ig is what I mean

[frigid stag]

Ah ye true

I’ve just heard from people complaining their oc wasn’t stable occasionally

Like one day it works and then it doesn’t want to boot correctly

[idle nexus]

lol I found one of my 12900K memory OC spreadsheets

[idle nexus]

I had such a massive headache with AM5 with this

for example lol

[fresh timber]

Wow

[fresh timber]

Am5, buy 6000mt and forget

[idle nexus]

lol I bought 2x32gb 5600

but wanted at least 6200 1:1

[frigid stag]

Oof

[idle nexus]

that spreadsheet above was the longest one but I tried 4 different BIOS

[frigid stag]

That must’ve taken a while to figure out

[idle nexus]

in the end, I started messing with ProcODT

& I'm pretty sure that's the only reason it worked

it was kind of a last ditch effort I thought had like a 10% chance of working

but somehow it did

[frigid stag]

Oh I didn’t even know that was a thing lol

[idle nexus]

on AMD ya

dunno what the equivalent is on Intel

[frigid stag]

Ye me neither. Overclocking doesn’t work too well on my ram

[idle nexus]

I've been running this without incident since about September or October iirc

CJR can be rough since you're capped around 1.45v iirc

above that I think you gotta worry about degrading the ICs

if it wasn't 2x32gb, I wouldn't be happy with it but it's fiiine

which CPU?

this was a goofy thing I got from watching Buildzoid do dual rank OC. I'm used to tRP being able to run lower than tRCDRD/WR

[frigid stag]

Ah lol

[idle nexus]

grab some inexpensive bdie

[frigid stag]

I only tried loosening some timings but i guess it didn’t want to do more than 500mts over xmp

[idle nexus]

bdie is only silly expensive (still somehow?) if you get 2x16gb

2x8 is fairly reasonable

[frigid stag]

The board should support 4266+ so I can get some good ram for it

I think there’s some patriot kit that was affordable but they’re only single rank kits so I gotta run 4 sticks for 32

[idle nexus]

oh you wanna run 32gb?

4 sticks is usually a little harder

[frigid stag]

Oh damnn this is way cheaper than I thought

I was seeing 120$ + 16gb kits

[idle nexus]

if you wanna run 32gb, it's usually a lot easier to do 2x16 than 4x8

I mean they're HP & Acer but bdie is bdie lol

tbh I kinda like the HP ones

[frigid stag]

I think there was something with these 300 seriesboards working well with 4 sticks but I’m not sure

T top ones at least

[idle nexus]

ah ya I remember that

topography typography something I dunno

but how the board handles the 4 slots lol

it's in the ddr4 oc github thing that I think most people learned from

[frigid stag]

Oh I didn’t know about that

I kinda learned this stuff from twitter and a few YouTube guides lol

[idle nexus]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

this is what I learned from

[frigid stag]

Ah

[idle nexus]

that & bothering basically anyone who would answer questions in various discords lol

[sweet phoenix]

i wonder what rev E 2x16 is going for atm

[idle nexus]

tbh I haven't looked

[sweet phoenix]

mine was $95 on amazon a few years ago and it's stable at 3600c16 (or was, anyways, before i cleared cmos)

[idle nexus]

I've had one set of Micron memory ever

that I think are somewhat hard to get

they're 4400c19 Ballistix Max iirc

[sweet phoenix]

they range from 3000c16 to 4400c19

crucial ballistix and ballistix max

or maybe mallistix max is a better diff die

[idle nexus]

I think there was some insane like $300 Micron that was 5000 or something

I always thought it was Rev E but someone told me it could be Rev N

[frigid stag]

I found this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675563377535483904/869913660355657758/unknown.png?ex=67942afa&is=6792d97a&hm=3ff2a37d74ad10bd0e5ba9d2d79a66d40648955b88eae394fd59035251345133&

[fresh timber]

I’m bored

[pseudo patrol]

One more week until 50 series drop

🙏

[idle nexus]

lol this is insaaaane

[frigid stag]

Scalpers going crazy

[idle nexus]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DRQ2M18?ie=UTF8&th=1

[pseudo patrol]

since when did crucial drop ram sticks 😭

[frigid stag]

But no I think I saw a kit of similar speed for around 150 bucks

Timings are kinda loose

[idle nexus]

lol they make DDR5 too but for some reason, it's terrible

[sweet phoenix]

they have a good kit now

[pseudo patrol]

my dominators are better than that overpriced

[sweet phoenix]

the 6000c36 oc pro or whatever its called

im not sure what the dies name is

sorry im multitasking

marvel rivals

[idle nexus]

DDR4: Samsung 100% best; Micron good depending on Rev; & Hynix was trash except for like DJR (which was only good on 11th gen really), AJR, & some CJR
DDR5: Hynix be like, "is anyone else here? guys?"

[idle nexus]

you tested all these boards?

[frigid stag]

Oh no it’s not mine

I found it in another server

Gonna try see if there’s anything for older CPU’s like 8 gen

[idle nexus]

ah ya those can be useful but at the same time, treat them as suggestions or starting points

iirc, I've never copied someone else's settings exactly & it worked lol

[idle nexus]

it's about time. Has anyone heard from Samsung? the heck are they doing over there?

[frigid stag]

I’m using it to see what works well with what I got but apparently the g skill 3200c14 won’t go above 1.6v

[idle nexus]

cheap A-die is like realllly cheap & works great

[idle nexus]

ehh

maybe theirs won't

unless somehow the DIMM restricts it but I'm not sure it's even capable of blocking it lol

I have a set of 4000c17-18-18-38 trident royals that kept scaling to like 2.1v

honestly tho, after about 1.65v, you need at least a fan blowing directly on the DIMMs

[frigid stag]

Damn those must’ve been expensive

32gb?

[idle nexus]

not really. They were cheaper than 3600c14 iirc

yes

lol I got this thing to keep RAM cool for awhile

[frigid stag]

Oh lol that’s neat

[empty tide]

we going back to the ddr2 days with this

is ram generating that much heat now?

[idle nexus]

I finally just said the heck with it & started using Pokemon cards to take off heatspreaders so I could run it on water

probably can ig

were you setting System Agent & IO voltage?

[frigid stag]

I didn’t want to kill the ram or something. Didn’t know what I was doing with voltages

[idle nexus]

I hit 40C ish on water with DDR5 running 6200c28 at 1.5v-ish

[frigid stag]

I don’t think I did

I barely touched dram voltage

It was just xmp with a few loosened timings and slightly higher voltage

[idle nexus]

I dunno how your board handles those two voltages on auto but those are the ones you need for higher frequency

[frigid stag]

Are the higher speed kits better for using lower voltages

[idle nexus]

I dunno about 8th gen tbh

[frigid stag]

I mean it should still be skylake like 9 and 10th gen

[idle nexus]

on 10th gen I'd try to keep System Agent voltage at or below 1.4v & IO voltage at or below 1.3v for daily

I broke that rule a lot but still lol

[cursive compass]

😆 .

[idle nexus]

4400? the Micron or the Samsung?

I used to have some Vipers that were 4400c19

the 2x16 royals I have are 4000 not 4400 tho

do you have HWiNFO installed?

[wraith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-cat-chinese-tole-tole-cat-chinese-tole-cat-china-cat-cat-gif-18130320169200006773

sound:500085440221806603:1099587244693672018

[idle nexus]

I had these 4400c19-19-19-39 2x8gb vipers https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KXLFDL6?ie=UTF8&th=1

[wraith fern]

sound:500085440221806603:1099584371633180692

[idle nexus]

just be careful which ones you get because not all are bdie

btw my guess is your motherboard is running around like 0.95v for SA & IO voltage

from just googling safe voltages

for 8700K I mean

if 1.4/1.3 SA/IO is safe on 8700K like it was for 10th gen, you could likely increase frequency a decent amount lol

anecdotally, someone claims 1.3 is "safe" for SA & IO

what motherboard are you using?

I wish the darn QVL showed the IO/SA voltages it used for these https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z370 Pro4/index.asp#Memory

what's your XMP on your RAM again?

IO & SA voltages are here. It doesn't tell you what's "too high" but that's not really surprising considering they don't want RMAs lol

I hate when they do this

it's like you could've said nothing at all & it would've been more helpful

like you can't even be bothered to tell me what the acronyms mean?

I have no idea why that's so expensive. I mean, I think RDIMM means that it corrects memory errors (usually for servers afik) but that's wild

oh you're trying to get 64gb?

tbh it's kinda unnecessary unless you like edit 4k video a lot or something lol

this probably makes way more sense tbh https://www.newegg.com/crucial-64gb-ddr4-3200/p/N82E16820156327

I don't really remember seeing bdie on sticks bigger than 16gb each

there's definitely CJR that runs high frequency

DJR is kinda better for that

I have a set of NeoForza 2x16gb DJR that's 4400c19

dunno why I always ended up with 4400c19 wth lol

this is likely CJR https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-ddr4-4000/p/N82E16820374049

I'm pretty sure 2x32gb bdie isn't really a thing

[fresh timber]

Mhh

[idle nexus]

I have no idea how these are now a lot more expensive than they were like 2.5 years ago lol https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374012?Item=9SIB0ASKD49722

[tranquil pebble]

lololol

[idle nexus]

oh jeez what'd they do now?

[tranquil pebble]

no idea but nothing good

[fresh timber]

It’s ea

Nothing good

[idle nexus]

LOL MaTH

[rancid juniper]

lol WHAT???

[gleaming rivet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/1i7tlu8/ea_shares_drop_7_after_company_lowers_guidance/

[rancid juniper]

L

[idle nexus]

heck I don't think I've ever subbed TimeSpy with 13600K on any GPU

[idle nexus]

https://benchmate.org/

[rancid juniper]

already have that installed, didn't pay much attention to cpu scores on 3dmark

[idle nexus]

iirc CPU is 15% of TimeSpy score so it's not all that significant

[velvet summit]

Rather W
Deserved for making shovelware for so many years

[rancid juniper]

ye

[rancid juniper]

EA needs the ubisoft treatment asap

[proud jackal]

they wont

they have sports games

[rancid juniper]

it becomes extra poopoo every year

people not buying it

[idle nexus]

I don't get it. (1) why am I still looking thru ebay & (2) why is anyone selling 2x16gb DDR4 bdie asking about 2x the price of 2x16gb ddr5 adie? lol

[rancid juniper]

price gouging

[idle nexus]

has there been a sudden increase in demand for dr bdie? lol

[rancid juniper]

heh maybe

[proud jackal]

is 5090 out yet

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/RgoDTtM2b2w?si=RVMUgaLuDGRZ3bOF

[dusk knot]

6 more days

[dusk knot]

Deserved

[idle nexus]

this poor igpu just sits there day in & day out waiting to finally get its first task

[gleaming rivet]

I'll adopt it. Give it a good home. Use it.

[misty sparrow]

sweet but strange, would've thought it would hit historical low during a major sale

[nocturne flicker]

RDR2 is my favorite RTS

[misty sparrow]

i already own this on PS so i'm passing

does look enticing though

[peak heart]

Does this feature online as well??

[misty sparrow]

yes

online basically comes with the game

[peak heart]

Gotta make a move

[misty sparrow]

only thing it lacks is a railgun and a flying motorcycle

[chrome mirage]

Got bored and decided to test some newer games on my 1660Ti and it barely runs black myth wukong at 1080p low

I guess 50fps is ok with a variable refresh rate monitor though

[peak heart]

Oppressor mk2 we cookin

[misty sparrow]

when i get my hands on a heavy sniper with flame rounds i'm gonna shoot those things down

same with the fighter jets

[chrome mirage]

The 1660Ti also just looks tiny in this case compared to my 7900XTX

[misty sparrow]

it's like it's a singleslot or doubleslot GPU

reminds me of that...y'know the ones that just plug in and don't need an external power cable?

it's almost as small as that

[chrome mirage]

It's a dual slot

I just took this out of the family PC and put in a single slot GPU that runs off the pcie slot alone

My mom doesn't need a 1660Ti for paying bills and my brother is grounded from gaming so I took it back

[misty sparrow]

hm

[chrome mirage]

Dragons dogma 2 seems to run great at 1440p

Vram is the limitation for the graphics in that game.

[hoary zodiac]

Guys

Austria, Hungary, Poland or Venice?

[misty sparrow]

Austria

[hoary zodiac]

Good choice

[misty sparrow]

why did you offer choices in the first place

[pseudo patrol]

he's going on dream vacation

[hoary zodiac]

map game

[misty sparrow]

was that the correct answer

[hoary zodiac]

I was looking for a random country out of those to play

[hoary zodiac]

austria is going to take over the world

just you wait...

[nocturne flicker]

Poland > Austria, chad Winged Hussars vs virgin HRE

[hoary zodiac]

speaking of Poland I'm going to hope my heir doesn't die

[misty sparrow]

they made the glock so that's why i picked austria

[hoary zodiac]

Poland has a tendancy to uhh

invade Hungary

[misty sparrow]

glock is probably best gun in realistic games

[hoary zodiac]

even though it doesn't make much sense historically

rip

its joever for denmark

[elfin mural]

contemplating win 10 ltsc

win 11 has been giving me gpu driver crashes monthly

[hoary zodiac]

do you reinstall windows once a year

[elfin mural]

no

[hoary zodiac]

you could probably just use it until it loses support later in the year

oh nevermind

there's AGES left

huh

now I'm confused

wtf

?????

is ms trolling

IoT LTSC 2021 looks like the best version of win 10

[fresh nova]

The heck is this

[hoary zodiac]

what browser are you using?

[fresh nova]

What is the world coming to

Chrome

[hoary zodiac]

try using a firefox based browser

[mortal grail]

#tech-industry-news learned an interesting tidbit for context

If anyone wants to see

[fresh nova]

I need to be selling my desktop not buying more parts

[elfin mural]

there's also iot ltsc for w11

but i might lowkey do iot ltsc w10

[hoary zodiac]

10 might give you less issues tho

I don't trust ms after 24h2

[elfin mural]

but drivers tho

im concerned

i don't use server hardware lmao

[hoary zodiac]

I'd be more worried about drivers on 11

[elfin mural]

hm true

[hoary zodiac]

Enterprise isn't just server

It's for well

Enterprise users who need something that works

[elfin mural]

fair

i'll wait once i get good internet lol

but i refuse to upgrade to 24h2

[mortal grail]

Ah ok

Back

Anyway that was something nice to read today @hoary zodiac

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah

[mortal grail]

I now have, definitive proof that my words over the last 2 years weren't BS

I can take the tin foil hat off lmao

Ironically I found this using 3Dmark

[hoary zodiac]

Top end was always diminishing returns

[mortal grail]

A tool, for some reason

Many hate

I don't get it

It's very good

[hoary zodiac]

But I didn't think it'd be this much diminishing returns below 4K

[mortal grail]

Yeah

Thanks to HC we now have an active demonstration

[hoary zodiac]

They probably hate it because it's synthetic which... That's the whole point it's a benchmark

[mortal grail]

Ye

But it's very good at being a gaming benchmark

It's the closest to real games I've seen

Out of all

[hoary zodiac]

Only thing it doesn't account for is Ubisoft trolling gamers with broken launches

[frigid stag]

ye like where did they go wrong. they had ghost recon, division etc

[hoary zodiac]

Studio executives

That's what went wrong

[gleaming rivet]

What am I missing?

[mortal grail]

#tech-industry-news

[opaque sedge]

Is this actually happening? 💀

[mortal grail]

It is

Lmao

Where tf the red text go

Ah welp anyway that sends the message

Lol

[opaque sedge]

Damn 💀 is it effecting top mounted radiator aios as well?

I’m stupid it prolly is

[mortal grail]

Like every other card yes

I feel bad for ram

That's a lot of hot air

Right over it

[frigid stag]

liquid metal paste on the 5090 thats why

10- 15c cooler

[mortal grail]

Nah it's the flow through centric design

Blasting like 70% of the heatsink all over anything above it

600W of hot air in a highly concentrated and conical manner

[tranquil pebble]

Nvidia is just full of hot air

[tranquil pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/fumo-friday-fumo-plush-fumo-touhou-fumo-touhou-fumo-gif-25980465

[devout forum]

Damn I suddenly don't want a 90 series card

I mean they are super cool but damn they push heat

[mortal grail]

They're actually kinda

https://tenor.com/view/super-hot-vr-game-gif-15704568

💀

Over engineered tiny hot box

[devout forum]

And it's not even really fast

I mean TECHNICALLY it is

But like it's mostly benchmark muscles

[tranquil pebble]

game fr listing 4090 in system reqs

[mortal grail]

It's really amusing how the 5090 is just so cool in all the ways that make zero difference

[devout forum]

PT be like

[devout forum]

DP2.1 tho

[mortal grail]

No frame gen tho

[mortal grail]

Eh. Not that big

[devout forum]

Now we all know why nGreedAI didn't put DP2.1 on the 40 series

[tranquil pebble]

Also Selective RT... and 5700 XT... that sounds like pain

[mortal grail]

A number of new 4K 240 screens used dual input plugs

[devout forum]

P sure they COULD'VE done it if they wanted to

[mortal grail]

Pseudo 2.1

[devout forum]

Wish that came down to 1440p too

[mortal grail]

No you don't want that

Lmao

[devout forum]

I'm pretty averse to DSC even though I probably shouldn't be

[mortal grail]

Being adverse to dsc is justified

Cos it actually looks ass over like 20%

[devout forum]

My main issue was that I had no idea what percentage DSC is still okay

But you just answered that lol

[mortal grail]

Like

30-50%

Is disgusting

20% is tolerable

Dual input fixed that

Now we have 2.1

But also hdmi 2.1 was good up to 4K 144 anyway

So like, for the most part, the 4090 was catered for

[devout forum]

What's the limit for 1440p refresh on HDMI2.1?

[mortal grail]

2.1 is 38.4gbps

[devout forum]

240 10bit 4:4:4?

[mortal grail]

So it adds to somewhere around equivalence of 4K144 10 bit

[mortal grail]

4:2:2 should be all you need

[devout forum]

Alrighty

[mortal grail]

I think it's closer to like 1440p 360

Iirc

It depends on a lot of factors

[devout forum]

Just asking since I'm gonna go OLED with the 4080 and I don't wanna cook it

[mortal grail]

Nah 1440p 240 def works on the hdmi

DP could be dsc but can't remember rn

[devout forum]

And I can put the sensor panel on the mobo HDMI

Poggers

[mortal grail]

I need an adapter for that

Speaking of which

I'm using my usb 3 cable instead and my sensor panel driver is using the dgpu

I haven't worked out how to sideload it to the igpu, think I need a new sensor panel driver for that

I have a thunderbolt cable which should trigger the igpu but rn the driver itself isn't changing it up

Not worth me buying a different panel for that tho, that'd be ridiculous

[devout forum]

I'm probs gonna get the Jonsbo one

That's HDMI and it runs off of whatever I have it plugged into

2 displays and a sensorpanel

Why?
Idfk
I just want a second monitor

[mortal grail]

Sensor panels are nice

Second screen tho I'd pick a basic monitor

[devout forum]

It's kinda giving me an "I care about my stuff" vibe

[safe cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70eXtD41JNE

[devout forum]

Already have one kek

[safe cape]

not bad

[reef grove]

selective rt recommended settings my exact build. 5600x/3060ti

[devout forum]

But I'm probably gonna replace it with a 1080p 180hz

Cuz I hate the imprinted image left behind

Like if I have something high contrast open (like a text editor) in a small window

[craggy shoal]

~$1-1.5K on wheels lol

[devout forum]

If it's there for longer than an hour
I have a big-ass white imprint after closing it

That's there for like half an hour

[opaque sedge]

Is that a lian li case motor….

[mortal grail]

Why you buying a dark

Stop

[craggy shoal]

Chill bro it was like $73

[craggy shoal]

what

[opaque sedge]

Damn which one?

[devout forum]

Hold on

[mortal grail]

Board

Y

[devout forum]

SFX psu but ATX Mobo?

[craggy shoal]

Mini snow edition I think. It was on Woot for cheap a month or two ago

[devout forum]

What sort of weird contraption is this

[mortal grail]

Hang on let's hear about the crosshair first

The sf850 is ok

He has itx PC's

[craggy shoal]

Used from my friend. He sold that, his 5900X, and 64GB with it for $200

[craggy shoal]

Yeah

[mortal grail]

Oh it's that?

Oh ok fair enough

Man

[devout forum]

Okay that's a sick score

[mortal grail]

Dubious af pic without context

[devout forum]

Right???

[craggy shoal]

lol

[reef grove]

the mobo on top makes me nervous

[proud jackal]

Is 5090 out yet

[devout forum]

@mortal grail actually
Take a gander what 50 series card will be available for me to buy for 380k HUF (the price of a used 4080)

[mortal grail]

Sold out

[devout forum]

My guess is MAYBE a 5070 non-Tie

[craggy shoal]

And then my old 6800 XT as well while I have my friend's TUF 6800 XT (also $200)

[mortal grail]

5070 Ti if you're lucky

[proud jackal]

[devout forum]

Inb4 I'll not be able to buy 50 series for the price of a 4080

[craggy shoal]

lol it's in the case already. The box just had some spare parts and hardware

[mortal grail]

5070 would be what I'm getting here for a used 4080 price by the looks of things

[opaque sedge]

4080 reminds me…

[devout forum]

That

[opaque sedge]

Costcos around the US are heavily discounting display models

[devout forum]

Oddly feels like a not terrible deal
4080S build for 1600 sounds fair-ish

[mortal grail]

Cos it's a good price

All 3 of those are excellent

[devout forum]

Damn I forgot what a good deal is by now

[opaque sedge]

1400 is around what my 7800x3d and 4070 super cost me…

[mortal grail]

Mhm

[opaque sedge]

Fomo hitting me hard rn

[mortal grail]

The 3rd pic a guy paid 1200 for a 4080S build

[devout forum]

Costco vs Micro Center

[mortal grail]

You can't predict deals like this

You need to be in the right place at the right time

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-baby-cry-crying-gif-25019897

[opaque sedge]

Why am i always in the wrong place and wrong time

Jk

[mortal grail]

You wouldn't feel this burn if a 7900XT was still in that pc rn ☠️

[devout forum]

But yeah I'm gonna have to save up for a WHILE to get that build I want

[mortal grail]

Lmfao

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[mortal grail]

Y'all losing it when my pc's are way way over the cost of these

[devout forum]

But ur rich

So u don't count

[mortal grail]

I'm not allowed to feel fomo?

[craggy shoal]

Felix pays too much because he's Australian

[devout forum]

No

You're smarter than feeling fomo

[mortal grail]

This more than anything else is true

[devout forum]

You're the tech tips guy here

(For the record I'm joking)

[opaque sedge]

Ur allowed to feel my meat

[mortal grail]

True, I work out what's good before it's released

[craggy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[devout forum]

And I'm busy asking you every time kek

[mortal grail]

Tbh that's a feed

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[mortal grail]

Man

I'd be there

[devout forum]

Kek

[craggy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[mortal grail]

I am ftt

Prime95 small ftt's

[devout forum]

Lmao

Felix Flex Tips

[craggy shoal]

Felix Touch Tips

What

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-drake-phone-drake-cell-phone-drake-looking-at-phone-drake-no-caller-gif-13770504309201454225

[craggy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[mortal grail]

Wot

[craggy shoal]

Don't worry about it

;)

[mortal grail]

I don't swing that way but ok

[devout forum]

Came for PC builds
Stayed for tip jokes

[mortal grail]

Don't forget to drip your faucet this winter lads

[craggy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/water-burst-dump-flow-gif-16539503

[mortal grail]

Ice col ice col

🥶

[cedar compass]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852302171286405201/1329854457432899646/Businessing.gif

[elfin mural]

Once again I get a dpc watchdog error

No idea what's causing it

whocrashed doesn't help

[mortal grail]

Ram probably

[elfin mural]

yikes

I don't got cash to replace my ram if it's really bork

It likes to happen once every month

I think it's time I whip out testmem and run that

[mortal grail]

Dpc watchdog iirc is a stability watchdog for ram channels

Dimm per channel watchdog?

I could be wrong

It's not cpu or gpu tho

Cpu is clock watchdog

Gpu would be something like video tdr, code 43, nvddmlmkm.dll etc

I'm suspect of ram or imc personally

Could be wrong tho I haven't googled to double check

[elfin mural]

yeh it's dpc watchdog

it never happened until i started using win 11 23h2 tho

curious..

[devout forum]

DPC watchdog is GPU related

it was the big error when the 13/14th gen instability issue broke

[elfin mural]

i did get gpu driver crash

earlier today

but it recovered

[mortal grail]

Ok you made me google it

Ram instability

Or bad driver

[devout forum]

was checking it on Reddit myself

[mortal grail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/s/Y09Sq4KkcF

Last entry is dpc watchdog, drivers/ram instability/bad windows update

@elfin mural do sfc scan and ram test

[elfin mural]

so i got a triple trouble situation

alr

[mortal grail]

No just ram

[elfin mural]

which software do i wanna run for ram test

[mortal grail]

Tm5

[elfin mural]

profile?

ik tm5 but what profile :p

[mortal grail]

Anta777 extreme1

[elfin mural]

oki

[mortal grail]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[elfin mural]

running sfc first rn

[mortal grail]

Yes

Do sfc first for sure

[elfin mural]

if tm5 comes out with an error

i'll cry

ok so far sfc found corrupt files

[mortal grail]

Did it fix them all

[elfin mural]

seems so

[mortal grail]

"able to repair them" yes?

[elfin mural]

it said detected and fixed all of them

yes

[mortal grail]

Good sign

Do the ram test

[elfin mural]

alr

i think it's doing it

lappy sluggish rn

[fresh timber]

I alone am the honored one

[mortal grail]

Close everything else down and go off for a couple hours

[fresh timber]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-satoru-gojo-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-season-2-gif-7842953186270095249

[elfin mural]

ok imma do that

[mortal grail]

The point is it uses all the ram to test so stop using the laptop

Close everything let it run

[elfin mural]

done

now on my phone xd

[fresh timber]

Domain expansion

https://tenor.com/view/satoru-gojo-domain-expansion-muryoo-kuusho-six-eyes-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-2102848127558680877

[storm narwhal]

Nah, I'd win

[fresh timber]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-looking-down-gif-7333648534605432939

[rancid juniper]

This is just a brick unit https://youtu.be/8Jw6ZEhqhvo?si=v1MKW7Qe3K4LZCDu

[fresh timber]

Now that’s what we call a graphic card

[rancid juniper]

Heater*

Thing goes up to 750w

[fresh timber]

How

The connector can’t do more than that

That’s 150w over

[rancid juniper]

I dunno 12hwpr specs but I guess it's that high

[fresh timber]

Itz 600w..

[rancid juniper]

Needs more IG 💀

[fresh timber]

Yeah…

Fire?

[rancid juniper]

Gotta hit that extra +100mhz

Fire

[elfin mural]

i think imma run the test before i sleep

this ain't fun

[mortal grail]

Pcie + eps

That's cpu + gpu lad

Gpu itself pulls up to 650W regularly with spikes above that

[rancid juniper]

Still a heater bro

[mortal grail]

Just clarifying

Lol

[rancid juniper]

Lol fine

Man I don't like the way undervolting works on RDNA3, why fix what wasn't broken

[mortal grail]

Wym fix

[elfin mural]

i has question

[mortal grail]

Cheezeburger?

[elfin mural]

is it ok if it has like less than 1gb of ram available while tm5 is testing

it's not completely filling it up

[mortal grail]

You optimally run it without anything else open, it'll fill up the ram itself

It will choose what it needs

[elfin mural]

safe mode ideally ig

[mortal grail]

No

Normal windows

[rancid juniper]

Undervolting on RDNA1-2 was very straightforward but this one has you fiddling with the clock speed alot more, instead of relying on fixed max voltage it's just the boosting algorithm doing the work

[elfin mural]

ok

[mortal grail]

You can mess with the clock speed now?

You couldn't when I was overclocking it

[rancid juniper]

Heck on max load it can only go as low as 837mv, if I set the voltage lower than 837 on adrenalin, nothing happens

Doesn't go lower it seems

[mortal grail]

Well yeah the slider goes only so low

But the asic quality determines the need

Nvidia does the same thing

[rancid juniper]

Dang

[mortal grail]

You can move sliders and sometimes it ignores based on the perfcap

40 series is a great example

Crank the power stupid high, it rarely uses all of it completely

Why? Cos the limit isn't power, it's voltage

Ryzen and RDNA behave very similarly in overclocking

You need to think of it more like that

PPT, EDC, etc

But on a gpu

Granted rdna doesn't actually list these things but the boost target behaviour is extremely similar

PBO yeets the power, and radeon will boost to that power just like ryzen pbo

[fresh timber]

Buy me

[elfin mural]

buck pcs

that's new

[pliant berry]

cheap

[proper fjord]

Yo. This is my first time using Newegg and I just wanted to get a second opinion

I preordered a B850 mobo a week before it launched and it said it wasn’t back ordered

Now it says it should ship by 3/2/2025 but the product page says ETA 1/31/2025

Feeling kinda duped like my order got lost in the mix somehow. Or does this sound normal?

It was supposed to be a Valentine’s Day gift….

[mortal grail]

Would love to help but this sounds like a question for newegg cs

None of us work for newegg

And I am not sure anyone here has the two cents experience to tell exactly what happens

If it's any consolation though, B650 boards are very equitable too if you can't wait

Not really any drawbacks worth mentioning

[proper fjord]

For sure just waiting for them to open

[mortal grail]

Many of us don't really shop newegg often lmao

We're all price hunters here

I don't get paid to shill them so yeah go with what you think is best lol

[proper fjord]

I mean depending on how this customer service chat goes it might be my last time 💀

[reef grove]

I haven't ordered from newegg in years >.>

I am blessed with 2 Microcenters

https://tenor.com/view/baby-jesus-dear-lord-will-gif-23054569

[mortal grail]

I don't expect them to screw you over, it's likely some sort of manufacturer delay or shipment issue

But don't feel obliged to commit to a preorder

I often tell everyone preorders aren't ever worth it

[proper fjord]

Yea I guess I’ll look into b650 if I have to I just saw the B850 WiFi for $10 more and a little better power phases

[mortal grail]

You should be able to cancel pretty easily

No stress

[proper fjord]

It was a good price

[mortal grail]

Which b850 and how much

[proper fjord]

ASRock B850M Pro-A WiFi $139

[mortal grail]

Ooo

Ok fair enough

See what they say, if it doesn't sound good, the B650M one is decent enough

That's a nice price tho

[proper fjord]

We shall see

[mortal grail]

If you can hold on a little longer it's likely worth the tenner haha

[rancid juniper]

the more you know

[mortal grail]

Both rdna 3 and ryzen boost to ppt as much as possible

[proper fjord]

I think it was a shipment Oopsie tbh but I’m afraid they won’t have the stock to rectify it, but maybe they will price match the Pro RS board for me or at least meet me halfway with a $15 credit. I’ll let you know how it goes

[mortal grail]

If you want to undervolt, start with a power cap

Yeah let us know lad

Patience is a virtue, be nice to them and they'll likely be very helpful

[rancid juniper]

if only the power limit was -15

😂

[mortal grail]

Why do you want it so much lower anyway

You can use mpt and mct

[rancid juniper]

to feel good

[mortal grail]

Mpt just doesn't let you go over target

[rancid juniper]

MPT does not work on RDNA 3

[mortal grail]

It'll let you go under

It does

[rancid juniper]

SOURCE???

[mortal grail]

It just won't do higher than stock power

Eh

Listen to my words

LOL

MPT was favoured for a higher ppt

[mortal grail]

It never broke, it was just THAT PART that broke

[rancid juniper]

i see

[mortal grail]

Due to the die security and bios locks

They don't let you set whatever but you can definitely edit what's existing

[mortal grail]

I'm like 95% sure of this and I haven't opened MPT/MCT in years

Open it and find out

[rancid juniper]

fine

[mortal grail]

Forks still suggests MCT often

That should tell you something

[rancid juniper]

clock

[mortal grail]

Clock

Clock?

[rancid juniper]

tick tock the cpu clock is cooking

[mortal grail]

I'm at my pc

Let's find out together

[proper fjord]

Yo guv’na what is the cheapest you think I could snag 2x16 6000 CL30 sticks if I waffle about price hunting?

[mortal grail]

[mortal grail]

About $80

Silicon power typically

[rancid juniper]

didn't accept my bios

[proper fjord]

Okay bet yea

[mortal grail]

Ok and what does mct do

[rancid juniper]

one moment

[mortal grail]

Ok and try gpu power 85

[rancid juniper]

TDC... interesting

ok

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducks-explosion-exploding-explode-gif-10671226607995734318

[rancid juniper]

doesn't change: resets to 90

[mortal grail]

Ok I'm wrong then

That's sad

Maybe they changed it to that, I remember the lower power targets working at one point tho

But not higher

My brain isn't the most reliable tho

Lol

[velvet summit]

Tick tock heavy like a Brink's truck looking like I'm tip top shining like a wrist watch
-# insert tf2 images

[rancid juniper]

igetmem music

[devout forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jw6ZEhqhvo
Yuge

[rancid juniper]

ill mess with the tdc

[devout forum]

359 x 150 x 76 mm

[mortal grail]

Notice the three variables

Power voltage tdc

Like

Ryzen pbo

[rancid juniper]

😳

[mortal grail]

Ppt edc tdc

Same stuff

Radeon follows very similar behaviour

Rdna does anyway

[proper fjord]

Paying $12 extra for my wife’s RAM to have RGB is true love

[mortal grail]

Can't comment on polaris

[proper fjord]

She deserves to make her RAM pink

[mortal grail]

She deserves the best eh

Only diamonds for her

[rancid juniper]

the tdc limit actually changed

but i lose around 4 fps lol

[dusk knot]

@proud jackal https://youtu.be/aaC8JBhY6Rw?si=S67ZbgYmw0PPx7ZH

[velvet summit]

RGB diamonds

[mortal grail]

Is draw lower tho

Less current is a big jump

[rancid juniper]

Yes it's slightly lower

From around 206w to around 190w

[mortal grail]

There you go

More undervolt

[mortal grail]

Man that FE makes the astral look so bad 💀💀💀

[rancid juniper]

I'll definitely test more when I get home later on

[mortal grail]

200MHz but only a few degrees

It really can't be said enough how impressive the FE is

[mortal grail]

Thank felix tech tools for giving you the undervolt you hoped for

I'm stupid but I get it right eventually

I need that on a poster

😂

[rancid juniper]

Lol thanks, didn't think moreclocktool had one more option, but if that exists why won't AMD add tdc option in adrenalin?

[rancid juniper]

T-shirt

[mortal grail]

If people don't ask, they don't give

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[devout forum]

this is the stupidest thing I've seen in ages

[rancid juniper]

Guess that's the case

[devout forum]

ROG tax is very real

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/24-hour-cinderella-24-hour-23-hour-yakuza-0-majima-gif-15420496094482286368

[dusk knot]

800 more…..

For less than 10 percent performance

[rancid juniper]

So mid

[tranquil pebble]

Ryzen 7 9800x3d just shipped out and I will have it soon

[unreal trail]

whelp

[devout forum]

welcome to the club of greats

I'll be joining as soon as I can too lel

[unreal trail]

pc elitism

[wicked oriole]

me stuck w a 7800x3d 😦

[craggy shoal]

At least I have 12 cores (7900X)

[sweet sierra]

||I have 7 6090’s||

[tacit quiver]

apple m1 still best processor ever made

[craggy shoal]

M3 says otherwise

[fresh timber]

I almost got in a fight

[tacit quiver]

m3 didn’t have the same impact as m1 though

wasn’t as revolutionary

and to your point, m4 > m3

[craggy shoal]

I have an M4 too

(at home)

[tacit quiver]

yeah well i have an m1 so therefore im biased and my opinion is correct

[pliant berry]

well said zach

[craggy shoal]

"I have the weakest M chip so my opinion is best" wrong, they're all good

[dusk knot]

Hm

[fresh timber]

can somebody pay

im poor

[tacit quiver]

sometimes general chat feels like a kindergarten classroom where the little anklebiters randomly say stuff about their family that other people shoulnd’t know lol

[craggy shoal]

yeah

[tacit quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-over-head-gif-19697548

[craggy shoal]

just waiting for somebody to be like "I throat punched my mom because she unplugged my PC mid-game"

[craggy shoal]

e

[tacit quiver]

anyone here had issues with their iphone not delivering push notifications? been driving me insane

from what i can tell on reddit, it appears to be an issue with the iphone 13 line specifically

[craggy shoal]

on Discord? yeah it's been a problem for months

[tacit quiver]

well, discord, but everything else too

i only get notifications for messages and email. everything else like whatsapp, snapchat, groupme, etc. nothing comes through

snapchat comes through once a day in a bulk notification for snaps that were sent hours ago, and the notifications don’t include bitmojis, only the snapchat logo

its the weirdest bug ever

[proud jackal]

[tacit quiver]

im trying to update my phone to a beta build to see if that would somehow fix it. i was on the latest stable release prior

[proud jackal]

Zach I'm hard stuck gold 2 on valo

[velvet summit]

you have to pay for your chromebooks??? that's crazy

[craggy shoal]

Do you get to keep post-graduation?