general-chat

[worn wave]

I remember playing ARK: SE on my (4gb) laptop 1050. Can't believe that worked. not exactly a craptop but ARK is demanding and not particulary well optimized lol

[worthy meteor]

like that laptop GPU was worse than iGPUs of the time iirc

lemme find what it was again

[fresh timber]

give me 5070

[worn wave]

nvidia MXsomething maybe?

[worthy meteor]

yea it was mx something

[fresh timber]

7700xt replacment witha good performance boost please

[worn wave]

mx450 and mx550 were the most common iirc

wsait maybe those are newer

[worthy meteor]

I have an image of the die somewhere, I repasted it once, lemme go look for it again

[worn wave]

oh yeah 450 was supposedly close to a 1650

[worthy meteor]

okay maybe it wasn't mx, looks like it was the 940M, from 2015

worse than vega 11

[worn wave]

ah

yeah my moms laptop has a 960M which is actually pretty good considering it wasn't advertised as a gaming laptop

still something like 60% the speed of the 1050 i had though

so the 940 was probably 50% or less

[worthy meteor]

960M seems to be almost double the SUs of the 940m lmao

640 shader units vs 384

[worn wave]

oh boy

[worthy meteor]

940 is probably 30% of the 1050

[worn wave]

yeah i suppose 950m is in there somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ZjVynMvo4

[wise wigeon]

mane i was about to pull the trigger on that 9800x3d combo but it just went out of stock

[worn wave]

The 1050 in my laptop was interesting, cause it wasn't a 1050M & had 4gb vs 2gb

[worthy meteor]

oh yea, need to note that my laptop had a 1080p60 (might've been 1080p30?) screen, so it would do even worse than in the tests at 768p

[tranquil pebble]

I feel so lucky for having grabbed a 9800x3d from Amazon

[worn wave]

Looks like maybe manufacturers had the option to create a 4gb variant. Mine was dell not asus though
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-gtx-1050-mobile-4-gb.b5497

It also OC'd pretty well

[craggy shoal]

"Use HWinfo it's way more accurate than HW Monitor"

[worn wave]

wait i though hwmonitor was the good one lol

[worthy meteor]

hwinfo64 is nice

[craggy shoal]

nah HW info is the better one apparently

[worn wave]

huh

[ripe rose]

thoughts on my local microcenter having an open-box 4060 for $239? is it worth?

[worthy meteor]

it's either the sensor itself had an issue or it didn't hook it correctly

[worn wave]

4060 is ~= to 3060 but also less vram

[ripe rose]

let me add, I have a 500w psu

[worn wave]

3060ti could work on that

well, might depend on cpu and how good of a 500w it is

[ripe rose]

it's lasted me the past 4 yrs, currently have a i510400 & 1660s

[nocturne flicker]

There is no that or. Always hoist the flag and let her fly.

[worn wave]

esp for indie games I prefer to buy them, and for AAAs (that have decent devs) I just wait for sales

[nocturne flicker]

Do it while listening to max freedom music

[worn wave]

but yeah I was letting my CPU stretch its legs for a bit earlier

looking back, I think straight up downloading would have been faster than uncompressing but whatever lol

[fresh timber]

wow

7700xt replacment that has a 50% boost plz

5070 be 50% faster in raster

[wise wigeon]

I have that as backup its just rakuten has 11% cashback on newegg rn

i just dunno when i'd get the amazon one

[tranquil pebble]

mine is scheduled for Feb 10th

I can wait that long

[frigid stag]

Ye it’s almost like they’re expecting people to use frame gen

[worthy meteor]

I mean what's happening in the 4090 video

[twilit laurel]

Yo

I need some urgent help

[worthy meteor]

it's possible that it's like how GTA5 optimization is and it's easy to run but hard to run well

but idk

[fresh timber]

if u coudlnt tell frame gen was activated and it was a driver feature and always turned on, would u be upset

[worthy meteor]

very weak hardware can run that game, 4090 with an x3d chip should not be getting single digits 0.1% no matter the settings

[twilit laurel]

Im trying out this pc but it gives me error codes as soon as I turn the psu on

[worthy meteor]

what exactly does it give you

[fresh timber]

if microcenter still had the 7600x3d bundle i would hae bought it

[fresh timber]

o wow

[worthy meteor]

What's the board?

[twilit laurel]

It's an x570 taichi razer edition

I was looking up the error codes in the manual and I'm confused

[opaque sedge]

i’m starting to rue this sub some folks have gotten 4080s builds for the price it took me for my 4070s build

[worthy meteor]

seems memory related

got a different stick to test with?

[opaque sedge]

kill me

[twilit laurel]

Yeah I have a few laying around. Should I try different slots too?

[fresh timber]

look at thesefake benchmarks

[worthy meteor]

yea test with a known good stick if you can in the same slot

then in a different slot

if nothing either way, reseat cpu

[hoary zodiac]

https://youtu.be/zdLr5CKFiJs

Nice

Seems like GN's trying to de-escalate the drama

[fresh timber]

9800x3d shortage? looks at microcenter

[nocturne flicker]

There response is on their website and is linked below

Also they have a new channel for investigations now

[twilit laurel]

No luck :/

Would clearing the cmos potentially help?

I have a 5700x3d btw

[worthy meteor]

Have you updated the bios?

[twilit laurel]

No, but the box says "amd Ryzen 5000 desktop ready" so I'm assuming it came with an updated bios version

[fresh timber]

it might not be x3d ready

[hoary zodiac]

Actually pretty nice that they're trying to de-escalate

Instead of letting it blow up

You don't often see this kind of moves in youtuber drama

[fresh timber]

clout=money

duh

[nocturne flicker]

I imagine it probably had something to do with Linus talking about defamation and lawyer stuff briefly

[hoary zodiac]

That probably has something to do with it

A lawsuit will just drag things out

And harm both parties

It does raise an eyebrow tho

If LTT's pulling the defamation card

Does he have a legitimate case or does he just want to drag it through the mud

Honestly nobody looks good here

[nocturne flicker]

He mentioned defamation or something about it and said he wasn't going to pursue legal action during the WAN show. I think it was just a thinly veiled threat tbh

[hoary zodiac]

This situation definitely is not worthy of a lawsuit

[twilit laurel]

Btw @worthy meteor i only have one cpu power connector on my psu but I'm assuming that's fine as long as it's in the right port?

[hoary zodiac]

At least they're going to sit down and talk now

Unironically the best outcome

We'll see how that goes...

[hoary zodiac]

Should be fine

What CPU do you have?

[twilit laurel]

5700x3d

[hoary zodiac]

You'll get power limited if your cpu draws more power than an 4+4 pin can handle

[sweet phoenix]

second 8 pin is only needed for ln2 ocing

[fresh timber]

Your fine with one 8pin

That cpu ain’t even close to saturating it

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah Ryzen doesn't draw that much power

[fresh timber]

Even a 14900k is fine on a single 8pin boy

[hoary zodiac]

I do wonder... When does the second 8 pin come in handy for consumer use cases.... Intel?

14900k maybe?

[fresh timber]

If your overclocking a 14900k maybe

[worthy meteor]

should be fine, basically all boards of that gen only needs 1

[hoary zodiac]

On paper they don't turbo high enough to use up a single 4+4

[fresh timber]

Using Intel settings it won’t get close

[hoary zodiac]

Is the second 8 pin just a nice to have?

[fresh timber]

I bet your vrms will be your limit before the 8pin

[worthy meteor]

I'd suspect the bios since it only takes bios version 1.3 to support most 5000 series non-x3d chips, it takes version 5.5 for 5700x3d

[hoary zodiac]

hmm

Seems like most consumer cpus can run on a single 8-pin

[fresh timber]

Looks like all of them fit

[twilit laurel]

I don't plan on OCing since the 5700x3d is already a pretty fast chip

I'm looking at getting a 3090 or 7900 XT to pair with it

[fresh timber]

8 pin eps is 300w

noting on that chart is above 300w

[hoary zodiac]

Oh no

I drastically overestimated how much cpus draw

You have a lot of oc headroom

[twilit laurel]

So do I need to get a 3000/5000 series cpu so I can update bios?

[fresh timber]

u cant oc a 5000 x3d chip

[worthy meteor]

Lemme check if it has flashback

[twilit laurel]

Ok sweet

[twilit laurel]

Is that cause the v cache is on top of the cpu cores or something

[fresh timber]

No, they just locked the 5000 ones

[twilit laurel]

Like temperature related

[fresh timber]

Nah

[twilit laurel]

Oh that's funky

[fresh timber]

I mean that is preventing you from getting far, but AMD locked them down

[worthy meteor]

yea it has flashback, you can use flashback with a spare usb

instructions from manual:

[hoary zodiac]

Flashback should be a standard feature on all boards tbh

[worthy meteor]

rare for am4

part of why I liked MSI for am4 was because they put flashback on their cheap boards lol

[fresh timber]

Sometimes I consider doing am4 and a 5800x3 d

[twilit laurel]

Yeah this is a pretty sweet board I got a good deal on it

[hoary zodiac]

I liked MSI until B550

[worthy meteor]

b550m pro vdh ac was great value for the longest time

[hoary zodiac]

They're weren't bad-bad

[worthy meteor]

$100 board with flashback and wifi

[hoary zodiac]

There's just other options at that point

Like asrock or gigabyte

[worthy meteor]

the equivalents were $120+

because the cheap wifi boards didn't have flashback

[twilit laurel]

So does that mean I can leave the current cpu in it while I update? I'm struggling to remove it lol

[worthy meteor]

Yea it shouldn't care

[twilit laurel]

Ok sweet

I'll go through the steps and let you know how it goes

[lone mango]

$90 now

[fresh timber]

are their really no am4 boards with 4 nvmes

damn

[hoary zodiac]

LMAO

[nocturne flicker]

3 slots was a top tier feature for AM4

[nocturne flicker]

The cheapest one currently new is probably a Taichi

[worthy meteor]

do 5.6 rn since that's the most recent non-beta

[twilit laurel]

should I go for the latest or a non-beta release

ok

[fresh timber]

darn

i dont think the pcpp flter working, i put 4 nvmes and it shows poo boards that clearly dont have 4 nvme slots

lmfao will not buy am4 nvme poo

x3d intel cpu when

[nocturne flicker]

Those boards do have 4

[fresh timber]

they do not

[lone mango]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-B550-UNIFY

Wow look at that

[fresh timber]

i love me some msi meg

[rancid juniper]

this guy...

[fresh timber]

what abt it

??

[lone mango]

Hates elon so much he forgot about the switch

[fresh timber]

lol

i love lga1700

i ❤️ am5

[rancid juniper]

bro is late to the topic

[fresh timber]

he unforortuntly goes outside

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-gif-5750196720983083288

[twilit laurel]

Only the clr cmos light was on and not the bios flashback so I took out the cmos batter I'll try again in a min

[fresh timber]

intel x3d cpu when

[rancid juniper]

never

[nocturne flicker]

PC Part Picker is just being pepeg. You can tell by the size of the heatspreaders alone that they have 4+ slots

[fresh timber]

interesting

i do like am4 prices

nice looking board for $150?? good cpu for $230

and its x3d

[rancid juniper]

man BRUH WTF

[fresh timber]

march??

i guess im waiting till march until i get a new gpu

[rancid juniper]

AMD dropped the ball this year

[lone mango]

Yeah pretty brutal

[fresh timber]

is march bad?

[lone mango]

They are actually rarted its over for them

[opaque sedge]

Yeah they def waiting for the 5070 and 5070ti hands on benchmarks 💀

[lone mango]

We thought it would have been sooner

[fresh timber]

o

buy 5070 and hope it holds up

[lone mango]

Like around 50 series launch

Not two months later

[opaque sedge]

Kind of? The 50 series will have alr gained momentum by then and also tariffs and what not

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

you would expect for them to launch early this year but decided to
-Make little to no announcement for next RDNA gpu
-Silence and more silence except AI BS
-NOW MARCH???

they have very LITTLE confidence in their own product

[fresh timber]

lol

we going NviDIA BABYYYYYYYYYY

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[opaque sedge]

5070 is set for feb right?

[sweet phoenix]

if i decide to swap gpu this year itll be a 9070xt

[rancid juniper]

and intel sitting there with nothing but limited inventory and nothing about the rest of the arc lineup

[twilit laurel]

I got my 5700x3d for $153

[proud jackal]

IS 5090 OUT YET

[fresh timber]

lucky

[sweet phoenix]

or a used 7900xt

[misty sparrow]

bad drivers too

[rancid juniper]

9 days theo

[fresh timber]

no, but i have a screenshot of a 8 year old playing fortnite on a 5090

[rancid juniper]

somehow 💀

[opaque sedge]

Dont egg him 💀

[fresh timber]

i wasnt kidding

[twilit laurel]

Yeah they gave me one actually

[proud jackal]

if there is even stock

[opaque sedge]

Ofc its fortnite

[rancid juniper]

Jensen knows

[opaque sedge]

[fresh timber]

hes 8

[twilit laurel]

7900xt would be cheaper than 9070 xt and I think it performs better

[rancid juniper]

[lone mango]

matx with 3 m.2 goat status
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi

[twilit laurel]

It's either the 9070 or 9070 XT that performs between the 7800xt and 7900gre

[lone mango]

And looks good too

[fresh timber]

i just want someting for $400-500 that beats my 7700xt 😭

[rancid juniper]

lol good luck

[fresh timber]

i just want like 30% man

im super close to getting 240fps in my games

[sweet phoenix]

xtx is supposed to be better

xt no

[fresh timber]

used xtx

[rancid juniper]

so true

[fresh timber]

ez

[sweet phoenix]

but we obv dont know yet

[twilit laurel]

I must be thinking of the 9070 non xt

[rancid juniper]

AMD doing anything but be successful and consistent

[fresh timber]

lossless scaling is so good.. why isnt it built into drivers already man

[rancid juniper]

everytime when AMD gets an opportunity they TRY to fumble

[misty sparrow]

Amazingly Mid Decisions

[twilit laurel]

@worthy meteor should I try clearing the cmos

[nocturne flicker]

Pog, I'm already up 1% on my funds, can't wait for everything to tank soon

[misty sparrow]

-# compooper can you lmk what nitro border you have on your profile picture pretty please

[rancid juniper]

i think it was some discord challenge that i completed a few months back

its not nitro related

[fresh timber]

mhh

im noticing an nvidia issues on marvel rivals

[misty sparrow]

it just looks like switch 2 controllers for a second there

[fresh timber]

my friend with a 1660 super, and another with 4060 keep freezing randomly

[misty sparrow]

a bit familiar

[rancid juniper]

i only have two decor so far

ah it was TGA

[misty sparrow]

oh, TGA

[rancid juniper]

geoff keighly show

[misty sparrow]

i wonder why a bunch of good designs for borders are permanently locked behind time limits

what if i wanted to keep it forever y'know?

[fresh timber]

fr

iv kept my forntite one

[rancid juniper]

M O N E Y

[fresh timber]

i think its perm

[nocturne flicker]

Coming to Discord soon: Purchaseable pfp borders

[fresh timber]

i havent bought a single one

[rancid juniper]

same

[fresh timber]

it cant be money if i get them for free

[misty sparrow]

for the borders they add through quests do they ever place them in the shop

[nocturne flicker]

I imagine if it is a sponsored thing that the company has some say in something like that

[misty sparrow]

it seems like they never get placed on there

[twilit laurel]

So what should I do to my motherboard now

[fresh timber]

A320M-HDV R4.0

@sweet phoenix whats the fastest cpu you would trust in this https://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/a320m-hdv r4.0/index.asp

[nocturne flicker]

Potato

[sweet phoenix]

5600

[fresh timber]

THANKS

this cpu kills me

[twilit laurel]

I'll sell you my x570 lol

[fresh timber]

im ok

i can get a am4 cpu for cheap cheap

even a 3600 is an upgrade for me

[twilit laurel]

True

You could buy my 5700x3d

[fresh timber]

that would kll my motherboard

and i dont feel like buying another am4 system rn

if i wanted a real upgrade id prob buy a lga1700 motherboard and 12400 or someting

the igpus in those things are super good for transcoding

[twilit laurel]

That's where I got my cpu

[sweet phoenix]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808205376330.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

[fresh timber]

damn

my mom spend $300 on my cpu i keep bro until he die or ddr4 becomes a problem

[twilit laurel]

$300 on a 2300x is crazy

[nocturne flicker]

Wait a minute

[opaque sedge]

Kill me

[nocturne flicker]

Did you just buy a socket?

[fresh timber]

when good lga1700 motherboards et a bit cheaper ill go ddr5

[misty sparrow]

okay

[fresh timber]

not the cpu in my pc

[twilit laurel]

Why is it so cheap

[opaque sedge]

Display model most likely

[twilit laurel]

Yeah my socket was broken

[fresh timber]

im going to get alot of moeny then walk into costco

[opaque sedge]

Still an insane deal tho

[misty sparrow]

i think i saw that on pcmasterrace the other day, costco had it on a huge sale

[nocturne flicker]

How do you replace a socket on a mobo?

[opaque sedge]

A bunch of costco’s nationwide seem to be doing manager’s discounts

[misty sparrow]

hm

[twilit laurel]

Well it was just the socket cover

I'll send a pic

[misty sparrow]

i've never shopped at costco

[opaque sedge]

I would check mine but i dont have money

[twilit laurel]

I was fixing the cracked part

[misty sparrow]

they should have a website, right?

or are they only in store

[opaque sedge]

Managers discounts are in store only i believe

[fresh timber]

Ru saying I need to look out for these magic prebuilt

[misty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/skyviewray-scream-vanish-gif-21914363

this is painful

[opaque sedge]

Perhaps

[misty sparrow]

sounds about right don't think you can view manager discounts online

[fresh timber]

Cause I’d buy a $1200 4080 pc and sell the parts I don’t want for a profit lmfao

[twilit laurel]

I mean I was able to fix it for $8

But idk why the pc isnt working

[misty sparrow]

4080 alone can sell for most of the PC cost right

[unreal trail]

[misty sparrow]

it's what, $1000?

not sure

[fresh timber]

Unfortunately I want the 4080

Lmfao

[misty sparrow]

oh

what don't you want

[fresh timber]

Everything els unless the cpu and stuff is better than what I have lmfao

Then I’ll sell my current pc

And swap cases

Lmfao

[misty sparrow]

the tag says ryzen 9 7900x

a bunch of other stuff too

you can sort of make it out

[fresh timber]

Id case swap, put my nvmes in it, and call it a day

[misty sparrow]

i wonder if you can case swap in prebuilts

i mean what if they have proprietary lighting stuff

[fresh timber]

That one uses consumer paets

[misty sparrow]

wait how can you tell

[twilit laurel]

This computer is pissing me off I literally can't even get the cpu out with a suction cup

[misty sparrow]

i've been wanting to caseswap my lenovo PC but since it has lighting that I can change in its BIOS, don't know if i can

so i just wanna find out how you're able to tell

[fresh timber]

It’s not Dell

That’s how

[misty sparrow]

dell's the only prebuilt maker that does that?

wow

[fresh timber]

Dell hp, etc

[misty sparrow]

hopefully Lenovo isn't one of them

[fresh timber]

Ummm

I’m pretty they lock CPUs

[misty sparrow]

so you can't upgrade the cpus or?

oh dammit

no wonder this thing costed $666 including shipping

it was an omen

[fresh timber]

They did something sus

[nocturne flicker]

Omen PC or omen as in warning

[misty sparrow]

warning

i thought HP made Omen PCs not Lenovo

[nocturne flicker]

Yes

Is joke

[misty sparrow]

oh

i didn't get the joke

oops

[fresh timber]

I want a mini pc

[rancid juniper]

build or to-go?

[fresh timber]

Umm, I’ll take to go thanks, I have a long drive ahead of me

Lmfao

I keep eyeing these, but my wallet says don’t do it

[rancid juniper]

alright that'll be $319.99 + tax

[fresh timber]

I alr need to save for 50 series smh

[misty sparrow]

THANK GOD

[craggy shoal]

Nah get a Beelink

tf is that

[fresh timber]

Random dual lan mini pc

[rancid juniper]

bro i have two doom games just sitting there on my steam library

i have yet to play them

😂

[misty sparrow]

it's a blessing for me because if it came out in the second half of 2025 i would have been screwed

[rancid juniper]

wait why?

[craggy shoal]

https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-Computer-PCIE3-0x4-Display-1000Mbps/dp/B0DJ6NVQ56

[misty sparrow]

the lenovo prebuilt I got off ebay? came with a free three-month game pass ultimate code that expires in July

[rancid juniper]

oh

[misty sparrow]

i've been holding onto it since September

[rancid juniper]

INSANE PRICE

[craggy shoal]

Yeah and they're reputable

[rancid juniper]

hmmm is there any ryzen 8000g mini pcs going under $400 😳 ?

[craggy shoal]

probably not

[rancid juniper]

found this tho

[craggy shoal]

maybe if you get a Minisforum MS-A1 and get whatever the cheapest 8000 series CPU to go with it

[rancid juniper]

better gpu

[idle nexus]

are there any Z2 Extreme mini PCs? lol

[craggy shoal]

I need
https://www.amazon.com/MINISFORUM-Workstation-5-1GHz-Display-Graphics/dp/B0D9P2W281

[idle nexus]

but it's an HP hmm https://www.hp.com/us-en/workstations/z2-mini-a.html

[rancid juniper]

bruh

[fresh timber]

Wanna know what’s funny

[sweet phoenix]

there was a 6645hs mini pc for 300 smthn

[fresh timber]

That $300 mini pc beats my server

[craggy shoal]

I have those at work. They fail quite often

[idle nexus]

try as they may, big PC = more gooder lol

[sweet phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-PCIe3-0-SER5-Desktop-Computer/dp/B0BYJDFG5B/ref=sr_1_5?

[craggy shoal]

yeah that and a RAM upgrade

[fresh timber]

Mini pc

[sweet phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-SER6-PCIE4-0-Display-Computer/dp/B0CYPV1LBZ/ref=sr_1_6?

[craggy shoal]

Mini pc

[idle nexus]

< big PC

[craggy shoal]

ehhh

Not when you can do a lot with the mini PC

the MS-A1 has more M.2 slots than the average desktop

[idle nexus]

well I like my silly oversized PCs lol

[craggy shoal]

Same but for client side

[idle nexus]

lol wha

[craggy shoal]

bruh

[rancid juniper]

680M GAMING

[craggy shoal]

I'll get a big server (or two... three sounds good) when I get a server rack

[rancid juniper]

https://youtu.be/0nXN81mFmp0?si=WrsWOf4okM8r0NLW

[chrome mirage]

The hard drive PCB I ordered from a sketchy website shipped.

[sweet phoenix]

how many does it have?

[craggy shoal]

4 iirc

[sweet phoenix]

oh thats pretty easy to do nowadays

with lga1700/am5

[craggy shoal]

if it's not four, it's the MS-01 that has that

[sweet phoenix]

not sff though

[craggy shoal]

idk one of that has a U.2 header

[fresh timber]

Mini pcs are nice

[sweet phoenix]

they have their niche

[idle nexus]

Z690 Dark Kingpin has U.2 Header

[fresh timber]

U.2 should be consumer frfr

[idle nexus]

wait... I think this Z790 Apex can run 5 M.2s

cuz Asus has this thing called DIMM.2

& I think 3 fit on the board itself

[rancid juniper]

dimm dlc?

👀

[sweet phoenix]

also pcie add in cards if really needed

[craggy shoal]

idk I like having a small server and it does everything I need it to plus more and it doesn't take up too much space to the point that I have to make sure it's getting enough air to stay cooled and not choking itself in the environment I put it in

[fresh timber]

Real

[craggy shoal]

that's the only reason why I'd go for a bigger server (don't need that though)

[fresh timber]

Mini pcs don’t really need much, slap it in a closet and i bet its fine

I know some who sold their server and replaced with a bunch of mini pcs

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/xbox-xbox-series-x-smoking-fire-fail-gif-19373998

[fresh timber]

Less power, more compute

[craggy shoal]

Yeah I wish I could do that

[idle nexus]

this thing

[craggy shoal]

Might start selling all of my old parts just to afford an MS-A2 when it releases

[fresh timber]

I might sell off some hardware I don’t use

[idle nexus]

goes here

[idle nexus]

lol I should've done this like years ago by now

[fresh timber]

lol

[craggy shoal]

bruh DIMM.2 needs to be put on more motherboards fr

[idle nexus]

but I was wrong tbh

it's only 4 M.2s that fit

[fresh timber]

I repurposed i, i wanna sell my 2nd pc, then use the money to get like two mini pcs and call it a day

[idle nexus]

only two fit on the board

[nocturne flicker]

The console just took a 15 minute smoke break

[craggy shoal]

I need an MS-A2 so bad bruh

[rancid juniper]

after playing halo infinite:

[craggy shoal]

guys I need it

NEED IT

[craggy shoal]

55-75W TDP on the CPU isn't even that bad. 16-core CPU for a server is exactly what I need

[idle nexus]

Dark is so weird with the DIMM slots above the sideways CPU Socket lol

[craggy shoal]

@rancid juniper I saw that. what are you thinking 💀

[rancid juniper]

thinking what? i feel tired rn

[craggy shoal]

This guy wants to limit his 7800 XT to 100W

[rancid juniper]

never had that thought

why would i ever do that?

[craggy shoal]

idk man you said it lol

[rancid juniper]

oh

[craggy shoal]

e

[fresh timber]

tbh i do limit my 7700xt

depending on the game

aaa title im good with getting 60fps? why not

[idle nexus]

I limit my 4090 to it's default PL

[fresh timber]

hey motor

[fresh timber]

should i get 64gb ram cause its cheap

[craggy shoal]

Should I swap my 13700K back into my main build and then limit my 7900X to 65W? :0

[idle nexus]

oh which CPU?

[craggy shoal]

What do you have now?

[fresh timber]

13600kf

[fresh timber]

4 8gb sticks

ddr4

[idle nexus]

Klev DIMMs on Amazon are like $85 for 1x32gb

[craggy shoal]

Honestly

Yeah if it's cheap

[idle nexus]

I use them lol

[craggy shoal]

why not

[idle nexus]

but it's 5600mt/s memory

but it's A-die

[craggy shoal]

I really don't know what to do with my 13700K lol

[fresh timber]

i could buy a new motherboard and go ddr5

[idle nexus]

it's great for AMD

[fresh timber]

server

[rancid juniper]

do that and undervolt like crazy to retain that high turbo clock

[craggy shoal]

too hot

[fresh timber]

big cooler

[idle nexus]

13600K you should run at least like 7200mt/s memory

[craggy shoal]

I still need to update that motherboard's BIOS, which I've been thinking about getting an mATX DDR4 motherboard for it and throw it all in my AP201 (I have a lot of DDR4 on me rn 💀

turn it into a Bazzite machine

[idle nexus]

I have way too much DDR4 too

[fresh timber]

yeah, i keep tiptoeing on ddr5 board and ram, keeping current board and ram and going am5,

[rancid juniper]

send me some bro

[fresh timber]

if i sold my current ram and motehrboard it would recoop most the cost going ddr5

[rancid juniper]

Bazookachine

[idle nexus]

I only have 2 2x16gb sets

the bdie is in my son's 5900x build

[fresh timber]

z790 tuff wifi plus d4 and 32gb ddr4 for $250?? good deal

[idle nexus]

the DJR is in 10700KF build

the rest is 2x8gb for benching

[fresh timber]

are u adopting

[craggy shoal]

Honestly most of my issues come down to that my Minecraft server runs on Windows 💀

[idle nexus]

lol

[fresh timber]

my issue is my 1% lows and that one faulthy rgb ram stick i got

i was playing fortnite and i know its not my gpu thats bottlenecking, so i looked at my cpu

[idle nexus]

I have DJR that's 2x8gb 5000c28

2x8gb Micron Ballistix 4400c19

2x8gb bdie royal elites

[fresh timber]

could i benfit from going from 3200mhz ddr4 to 4000/4400 ddr4

[idle nexus]

ehh

yes

as long as you stay in Gear 1

so 4000 yes

[fresh timber]

staying gear 1 should be easy.. right

[idle nexus]

4400 in Gear 1 dunno about that

4000 is still a maybe

it's like 3800 on Zen 3

[craggy shoal]

gear 1? :0

we talking cars now? (I've heard of this before I just don't know how to ask what you mean by gear 1)

[fresh timber]

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-z790-plus-wifi-d4/ this my board

[idle nexus]

DDR4 on 11th/12/13/14th gen can run Gear 1 or Gear 2

i.e., UCLK = MCLK

[rancid juniper]

TUF

[idle nexus]

or UCLK = MCLK/2

or in plain English:
G1 = IMC runs at same frequency as the memory clock
G2 = IMC runs at half the frequency of the memory clock

[fresh timber]

my board does up to 5333mt

[idle nexus]

yes but in gear 2

[fresh timber]

would 5333 in gear 2 be goo

[idle nexus]

so IMC is running half the frequency of memory clock

[fresh timber]

yuh

gear 2 poopoo unless u go super high with it

[idle nexus]

you're better off with 1:1

I haven't OCed anything on LGA1700 with DDR4

[rancid juniper]

Gear 1 + Real 1N + Low latencies and my aida64 latency still garbage

60.8ns

[idle nexus]

but on AM5, I ran ycruncher faster at 6200c28 than 8000c32 or something around there

& usually ycruncher loves memory bandwidth

but that's DDR5 so eh

[fresh timber]

dan

[craggy shoal]

dan

[idle nexus]

on AM4, ycruncher with FCLK=MCLK=UCLK was slower

I'd say aim for 4000 in G1

but I dunno how easy that is to achieve to be totally honest

[fresh timber]

dman

is ddr5 really as good as they claim

[idle nexus]

the most similar thing I've OCed was 11th gen where G1 usually topped out around 3600mt/s

I had to beat the crap out of that 11600K to give me 3803

[fresh timber]

i sold my 11600k a while ago

i used it to buy nv5 and ls720

[idle nexus]

& it only ran 3803 with most of the RAM disabled lol

[fresh timber]

damn

mhhh

fast ddr4 is cheap

rather this over 64gb ngl

[idle nexus]

is it finally?

[fresh timber]

this my current ram

[idle nexus]

that's 4000 but what's the XMP?

18-22-22-42 or something?

[fresh timber]

non

its 1 22 22 42

[craggy shoal]

no timing. it's instant

[idle nexus]

that's usually Hynix CJR

for DDR4, Samsung Bdie is the good stuff

[fresh timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bm2WGX/corsair-vengeance-rgb-rt-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4600-cl18-memory-cmn32gx4m2z4600c18 corsair unironicly fast wtf

[idle nexus]

that's probably Hynix DJR

which is good for frequency but timings will be ehh

[fresh timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LGD7YJ/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4400-cl19-memory-f4-4400c19d-32gtzr is the 400mt bump worth over the 4000 kit for $72

unironicly the rgb ram is cheaper than non rgb

[idle nexus]

4400c19 could be Micron Rev E if it's like 4400c19-19-19-[number higher than 39]

cuz tRAS on Rev E is kinda goofy

[idle nexus]

it's not really that bad if you're not going to OC it

18-26-26-46 is pretty high

[fresh timber]

only problem is this price

[idle nexus]

I'd guess DJR

[fresh timber]

the 4000 kit seems like really good value if u want some decent ddr4

[craggy shoal]

Do you really need 4000 MHz for Intel?

[fresh timber]

i want to fix my 1% lows

[craggy shoal]

What's your current frequency?

[fresh timber]

3500 oc

fortnite was running like poo

[craggy shoal]

goofy ahh 1% lows

[idle nexus]

anyone who buys this has completely lost it https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374053

[fresh timber]

wtfffff

if i got it for free id run it

[craggy shoal]

lmaoooo wtf

[fresh timber]

just get that

[craggy shoal]

still overpriced 💀

[fresh timber]

not $500

[idle nexus]

I'm trying to find diamonds in the rough on ebay rn lol

oooo https://www.ebay.com/itm/205228634529?

I had the blue version of those

[craggy shoal]

I have a lot of DDR4 bruh 💀

[idle nexus]

3600c14-15-15-35

so bdie

they're so pretty

[idle nexus]

@idle nexus buy this lol

[fresh timber]

my friend runs that but 4000 on his 5600g

[idle nexus]

5600g is kinda wild

[fresh timber]

hand me down from his brother

[idle nexus]

I got my dad's to run 4933

cuz when I built it of course I had to hwbot it lol

[idle nexus]

not bdie tho https://www.ebay.com/itm/116446857267?

[fresh timber]

lol

[idle nexus]

afik UCLK:MCLK 1:1 is better for latency

[fresh timber]

welp

my fans cant do white anymore

😦

[idle nexus]

@rancid juniper 22 hours left & only at $40 rnnnn https://www.ebay.com/itm/156637543148?

[craggy shoal]

your PC heard you wanted more RAM and said "yeah we breaking now"

[rancid juniper]

bids...

[craggy shoal]

I'm guessing Corsair fans?

[rancid juniper]

don't plan on upgrading ram rn

[idle nexus]

sniper

[rancid juniper]

but thanks tho

[fresh timber]

nah, deepcool and tharmalright

[craggy shoal]

tharmalright

[fresh timber]

thermalright

[idle nexus]

I don't think I've ever bid on something with more than 40 seconds left in the auction

it's the only way that makes sense

otherwise you're just artifically pushing the price up for the snipers later

[velvet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809840106478502011/1331459973896601690/hideo_hotdog.mp4?ex=6791b23b&is=679060bb&hm=a063cc6c6f2adfb52344799ab45e7c100d297244a0ee9ec68a5bdfb92b3d8255&

[rancid juniper]

this

[idle nexus]

people get mad like, "tHatS nOT hoW yOu BiD iN rEaL LiFe"

[fresh timber]

guess what, this is the internet

[craggy shoal]

as if they're watching the screen for the full 24 hours 💀💀💀

[velvet summit]

good, make them pay more than it's worth frfr

[idle nexus]

lol just bid to hike the price

[velvet summit]

i've done that

[idle nexus]

I always wondered if sellers ever bother doing that

[velvet summit]

i've seen things too good of a deal and i've just bid on it not expecting to win

[nocturne flicker]

Absolutely

[idle nexus]

I've sent bad offers expecting it to be ignored but won before lol

[nocturne flicker]

Usually in live auctions

They have someone come in just to raise the prices

[velvet summit]

lmao

[rancid juniper]

sucks when you're a seller on ebay
better when you're a buyer on ebay

[opaque sedge]

i need help...

[rancid juniper]

bro likes pain

[velvet summit]

well, if you somehow manage to get a good deal, then hey, that's kinda even better ish

[fresh timber]

why are pcs so expensive

i want new fans and ram

[opaque sedge]

i'm at the point i can clear a new game without dying

[rancid juniper]

The "Do it all" machine

[nocturne flicker]

Why food so expensive

[velvet summit]

engineering is expensive, also companies and shareholders like money

[nocturne flicker]

Bird flu go brrrrrrr

[opaque sedge]

to mobs that is

remembrance bosses tho...

5 tries give or take

[rancid juniper]

speedrun it

[fresh timber]

then i want these

😭

i tried them at school and fell inlove

[idle nexus]

this felt like an amazing deal in 2022 for 5000c28 lol

[rancid juniper]

high OCTANE MEMORY

[fresh timber]

https://a.co/d/hJxVe47 their $103.. do i chat

[rancid juniper]

wish it was 64gb for the same price

[nocturne flicker]

Tho back in 2023, the largest egg producing company had profit go up 700% so...

[fresh timber]

fr

[idle nexus]

also felt amazing in 2022 lol

[fresh timber]

mmotherboards looked so wonky back then

[rancid juniper]

got a Z690 board for less than $100

that was my best buy

[idle nexus]

on ebay?

[rancid juniper]

yea

[idle nexus]

ya bidding can be awesome tbh

[rancid juniper]

it wasn't even a bid

just an offer

[nocturne flicker]

Oh and their profit margin is back at 20% again

Great 🙃

[idle nexus]

even better lol

[rancid juniper]

oh nvm

I offered the seller $85

[idle nexus]

I have an alarm set to check on this in like 5 days lol

[rancid juniper]

price of 114 was tax and shipping included

but why?

780ti

[idle nexus]

hwboints

[rancid juniper]

💀

[fresh timber]

hwpoints

[rancid juniper]

bro will not let this go

[fresh timber]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5540762

[nocturne flicker]

hwdoints

[dusk knot]

hm

[fresh timber]

i hold on to my submission

im a retired overclocker now

[idle nexus]

I'm top 5 enthusiast (non-XOC) & top 100 (includes XOC lol)

Team Wegg is straight powerhouse now

[fresh timber]

xoc eople scare me

im in the discord, they ln2 everything

[idle nexus]

lol I'm just jealous cuz the boints are nuts

honestly tho, XOC doesn't usually do things like ripping the IHS off

cuz they don't need to

[fresh timber]

do u ln2 with ihs off?

[idle nexus]

you can but there's really no point

[fresh timber]

prob gets cold enough with it on anyways

prob risk breaking it more than u already are

[idle nexus]

& the pot full of LN2 is a lot heavier than a waterblock

ya exactly

crack some dies or something

[fresh timber]

i know somebody with a cpu that works,, minus a few cores

[idle nexus]

especially with changes in temperature like that

like -100C to 40C or something

[fresh timber]

lol

[idle nexus]

I'm sure a lot of metals don't take kindly to that

[fresh timber]

help why do i keep looking at amazon

[idle nexus]

I don't remember techpowerup having an OC team until recently

[hoary zodiac]

Team Russia

they got the entirety of siberia to cool their pcs

don't even need LN2

[idle nexus]

ya that's another thing that annoys me

[fresh timber]

its 1 degree outside

[craggy shoal]

Wegg

[fresh timber]

should i turn my heat off, open the window and see how cold i get my pc

[idle nexus]

I'm in Miami where it's like 80F & 90% humidity

[nocturne flicker]

Where is TeamNunavut

[idle nexus]

people beating me in Enthusiast are usually in like Norway lol

[hoary zodiac]

we need a TeamGroup

[fresh timber]

isnt their rules for ambient tempt

like no extreme ambients

[hoary zodiac]

Team China when

[idle nexus]

not that I know of

[fresh timber]

aka dont go outside at -20c and oc

i know they do that with contest

[hoary zodiac]

they could literally just dump a team in manchuria

and let them do their work

[idle nexus]

I know people who put their AIO rad outside the window & bench

[nocturne flicker]

TeamTibet

[hoary zodiac]

TeamTibet (China)*

[idle nexus]

if I put my radiators outside my window it would be hotter lol

[nocturne flicker]

OC'ing on Mount Everest in collab with TeamNepal

[idle nexus]

lol where it's so cold that propane doesn't even boil

[fresh timber]

mhh

[hoary zodiac]

TeamTibet(China) and TeamHK(China) and TeamTaiwan(Republic of China)

actually It'd be pretty funny to see a TeamTaiwan just going with the ROC name

[nocturne flicker]

TeamRoC in partnership with RoG

[hoary zodiac]

and then the two chinas just compete just to be the top china

[idle nexus]

ROG doesn't have a team specifically but safedisk works for ASUS afik

[hoary zodiac]

it'd quite literally be a middle finger to the PRC

Asus's based in the RoC right?

[nocturne flicker]

ASUS HQ is in Taipei, yes

[idle nexus]

ASUSTeK is Taiwanese

ya headquarters in Taipei

jeez

[hoary zodiac]

It's amazing how this one little island has most of the world's tech

actually it's the whole east asia region in general tbh

[fresh timber]

asus is chineese??

BANNED

[idle nexus]

Revenue $537.2 billion in 2022 & won't even fix your damn Ally without nickel & diming you

[wraith fern]

everyone is chinese

[hoary zodiac]

PRC, RoC, SK, JP

[fresh timber]

give me mac bok pro and a legion go 2 please

[hoary zodiac]

Are there any tech companies based in SG?

[wraith fern]

singapore?

[hoary zodiac]

ye

[fresh timber]

u mean china

[wraith fern]

has to be at least a little one

[fresh timber]

senator im singaporian

[nocturne flicker]

Razer

[hoary zodiac]

damn

[fresh timber]

umm two of those sound very american

[hoary zodiac]

most of these are American/Chinese

[idle nexus]

heck

[fresh timber]

lenovo does make good laptops

if i needed a gaming laptop id buy a lenovo

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder what would happened if the two chinas merged from an economic standpoint

they'd quite literally become the biggest tech country

[fresh timber]

mhh

if only 32gb ram

😦

[idle nexus]

isn't Lenovo IBM?

[hoary zodiac]

no

IBM sold off their consumer PC division to lenovo

[idle nexus]

I see I see

whatever happened to Packard Bell? lol

[fresh timber]

yall liike this laptop?

i do

[idle nexus]

Packard Bell, Gateway, eMachines, & Compaq fell off the face of the earth

[wraith fern]

so what chips are produced in taiwan?

[fresh timber]

the poopy gpu

[idle nexus]

lol all of them basically

TSMC

[nocturne flicker]

Gateway exists

[wraith fern]

packard bell as in hewlett packard??

[hoary zodiac]

Didn't Acer acquire a bunch of those

[nocturne flicker]

They are a Walmart brand now or something

[idle nexus]

did Packard Bell become HP? I dunno

[wraith fern]

whats the difference between a chip and a cpu

[hoary zodiac]

I think Acer acquired most of them

[fresh timber]

MTT S80 GPU

[idle nexus]

chips could be memory ICs, GPU, CPU, etc. I think "chips" is a generic term?

[fresh timber]

[nocturne flicker]

Ah, yes, Acer owns Gateway

[fresh timber]

china sucks at gpus

[wraith fern]

thats what i thought

[hoary zodiac]

the cpu is the whole package

[velvet summit]

thinkpads were probably the best purchase lenovo ever did and they fumbled the bag

[hoary zodiac]

including the PCB

[wraith fern]

but intel makes all their own chips, no?

[hoary zodiac]

the silicon is the delicate part

[idle nexus]

Intel used to

[nocturne flicker]

And Walmart is the exclusive seller of Gateway laptops

[hoary zodiac]

oh

[velvet summit]

the modern thinkpad is a shell of its former glory

[hoary zodiac]

I thought Intel still have their own fabs

[idle nexus]

they do but

kinda not doing so well I think

[hoary zodiac]

yeah not surprised

considering what's been going on recently

[idle nexus]

CHIPS Act gave them $8 billion or something liek that to get their crap together

[hoary zodiac]

especially now that AMD's also breathing down their neck

[wraith fern]

intel is falling apart!!!

[nocturne flicker]

It is technically a sub company now and they are basically spinning into the toilet

The fabs that is

[hoary zodiac]

that'd be disasterous for the industry tbh

[idle nexus]

lol their Descrete Graphics Division is looking pretty decent

[fresh timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102940078505984/1331452427672752221/DOCnlIa.gif

[wraith fern]

amd monopoly

[hoary zodiac]

TSMC would have a monopoly

[hoary zodiac]

not just AMD

TSMC

[velvet summit]

walmart bought gateway out like over a decade ago

[idle nexus]

I think TSMC is going to build fabs in the US or something

& Intel will bounce back

if I had a heck ton of money, I'd invest in Intel

[wraith fern]

wha

[fresh timber]

i invested some in intel

[idle nexus]

for long term?

[hoary zodiac]

a TSMC/ASML + intel partnership would be great for the industry tbh

[idle nexus]

they're freaking Intel lol

[fresh timber]

yup

[wraith fern]

there was a kid who put 700k into intel and lost a third in like 3 months

[velvet summit]

oh wait it wasnt walmart

it was acer

[fresh timber]

i put $300 when their stock dropped to $16 a share

[hoary zodiac]

datacenter business makes bank

[nocturne flicker]

Acer bought Gateway in 2007. They partnered with Walmart and Walmart got exclusive right to sell the products

[idle nexus]

ya but the problem is like

[hoary zodiac]

tbh intel's actually not doing that badly if you look at the whole picture

they've tanked a lot

[idle nexus]

Google, Amazon, & others started building their own data center CPUs

[hoary zodiac]

but they're still afloat

they can bounce back

[wraith fern]

over 6 months intels stock went down by a third

[fresh timber]

my mf dad sold our intel stock, this mother flipper

[idle nexus]

Nvidia ARM CPU rumors keep flying

[fresh timber]

WHEN HE DO THAT

O HELL NO

[hoary zodiac]

that'd kill even AMD

for the datacenter market

[wraith fern]

over a year intel has gone down over 50%

[fresh timber]

i told him WE WAIT A FEW YERS NOT SELL IT INSTANTLY

[idle nexus]

best time to buy no? lol

[wraith fern]

5 years down 60%

[nocturne flicker]

Just invest into funds

[fresh timber]

yeah, their stock crashed, why woudnt i buy it

[nocturne flicker]

Stocks are bleh

[fresh timber]

i haev this poopy stock now

[idle nexus]

Nvidia already builds CPUs tho

[velvet summit]

yeah i remembered the wrong company lmfao
i just remember them being aquired well back but forgot what company it was, and assumed it was walmart since they only sell it there

[hoary zodiac]

yeah the uhh

[nocturne flicker]

Require some degree of active monitoring

[hoary zodiac]

digit thingy

[idle nexus]

aren't they called like Hopper or something?

[wraith fern]

highest their stock has been was in 2000 💀

[hoary zodiac]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/project-digits/

[idle nexus]

wait jk Hopper is GPU

[hoary zodiac]

It's funny how Nvidia's literally making these specialised hardware the size of a mini pc

[fresh timber]

makes it easy to get hella of them in a cluster

[hoary zodiac]

don't roll your eyes at the AI part

[nocturne flicker]

Plus that active/semi-active monitoring is going to be a check on your ability to resist the urge to pull out

[hoary zodiac]

this is A LOT OF COMPUTE POWER

in a small box

[fresh timber]

now get like 500 of them in a data center

hella compact

[idle nexus]

Grace

is what I meant

[hoary zodiac]

yeah

Isn't Grace-Blackwell based on the same architecture?

at least when it comes to the more cpu-ish parts

[idle nexus]

heck

[hoary zodiac]

look at the size of that thing

look at how tiny it is

[idle nexus]

okay seriously I'm just gonna go ahead & ask

all this AI stuff

wth are people actually doing with it that makes money? lol

[fresh timber]

we dont know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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They aren't

[hoary zodiac]

depends on what kind of company it is

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Thats the funni bit

[wraith fern]

skibidi!

[hoary zodiac]

there are genuine applications

like industrial automation

[fresh timber]

nvidia is making money from it k

[hoary zodiac]

but then there are the uhh...

[nocturne flicker]

Most of the AI companies don't actually make money. Only niche uses are of any monetary value

[hoary zodiac]

"AI startups"

[idle nexus]

like ooo I made my own CoPilot like thing

like okay now what

[fresh timber]

automation is a big one, farms that farm them selfs, could use ai to aid in building cars

[hoary zodiac]

see

AI is good

[idle nexus]

for now

[hoary zodiac]

it's just that most people are stupid

[idle nexus]

lmao

[hoary zodiac]

and don't use it for the right purposes

[fresh timber]

robots using ai to dynamicly move the arm while building the car instead of usign predetemened motiosn

[nocturne flicker]

A lot of it is going to come down to data harvesting being valuable in advertisement and automating specific processes to reduce labor

[hoary zodiac]

AI is more of a get rich quick scheme now than anything practical

[hoary zodiac]

it really is just that tbh

[idle nexus]

I mean I'm clueless

[hoary zodiac]

for google, microsoft and amazon

[idle nexus]

it seems like another crypto, NFT, blah blah thing

[hoary zodiac]

to be fair

[nocturne flicker]

It basically is

[hoary zodiac]

it's more practical than crypto and nft

[nocturne flicker]

It is another Metaverse

[hoary zodiac]

at least for le data harvesting overlords

[nocturne flicker]

Except this has niche uses that are useful

[hoary zodiac]

this will make them fat stacks of money if used correctly

[fresh timber]

metaverse sucks

[hoary zodiac]

unlike crypto and nfts

AI development can actually lead to something good

[fresh timber]

nfts would be cool if companys used them right

[hoary zodiac]

Do I still think that the vast majority of AI startups are bullcrap investor scams? Yes.

Is AI as a whole a money pit? No.

[fresh timber]

the technology of nfts is good, but they decided that funny monkeys is the best use of them

[hoary zodiac]

some good can come out of this

[nocturne flicker]

What is a nft good for?

[hoary zodiac]

just have to filter through all the crap

[idle nexus]

so it's not like a single thing really, it's something that can be integrated into things to make more gooder things

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It is basically a speculative asset that provides no value

[hoary zodiac]

??

is this in response to someone else

I'm confused