general-chat

[fresh timber]

yes

[storm narwhal]

ookay, dude

[fresh timber]

she doesnt have to provide me anything

but she does out of love

if she wanted to she could have me out in 30days, but she doesnt

[misty sparrow]

-# they're still in high school i think

[fresh timber]

i am in highschool

[craggy shoal]

I want to move out

[fresh timber]

same, but im too broke

[craggy shoal]

same

e

[fresh timber]

ill move out when im like 25 or something

[misty sparrow]

it would be different if they're 23 and refuses to get a job or anything

[storm narwhal]

Still, point stands

[fresh timber]

u think i paid for anything in my setup

[fresh timber]

theirs a diffrence being in highschool and happy ur parents buy u stuff vs 25 living at home doing nothing with ur life

[devout forum]

@mortal grail Fanboys are already out in force
"THIS time there are RUBBER gaskets, you're shilling AMD wishing 50 series fails"

[misty sparrow]

when i was in high school i told my parents "don't buy me any gifts"

especially on birthdays and holidays

[devout forum]

Like c'mon tell.me ONE time when liquid metal OEM usage didn't end in disaster

[fresh timber]

my mom stright up demands i give her gift ideas for me

[fresh timber]

5090 too young to know if theirs going to be problems

oo kill the justice league is on ps5 plus

DOwnloaddddd

[misty sparrow]

it seems like they put dead games on there all the time

i remember it used to be pretty great

[fresh timber]

i never played it

[misty sparrow]

just ps plus in general has gone downhill

[devout forum]

Chat is blud serious?

[fresh timber]

real

i dont even use it much

mainly playing 2k with my friend evrey once and a while

[storm narwhal]

if they apply with machine no leak

obviously

[fresh timber]

O YEAH A ReASON TO BUY CONSOLE

[devout forum]

Logic no logicking

[fresh timber]

the ports suck on pc sometimes

[storm narwhal]

people apply from factory problem

[devout forum]

I swear goldfish have better memory than fanboys

[fresh timber]

https://tenor.com/view/blub-fish-goldfish-gif-22691550

[storm narwhal]

Not inaccurate

they at least remember when food time is

[devout forum]

I'd be surprised if the 5090 FE didn't end up in disaster

[misty sparrow]

-# id rather have a goldfish than a GF

[devout forum]

Even if it's technically doesn't "leak out" and short anything

[fresh timber]

id get beat if i said that

[devout forum]

How many will torch itself because the LM pooled and there wasn't a temp sensor in a part of the die where there was no cooling?

[fresh timber]

i mean if it leaks a bit, doesnt short anything, and doesnt thermal throttle, is it really a problem that normal paste doesnt have too?

[devout forum]

I'd call the die immolating itself a problem

[fresh timber]

big word

[storm narwhal]

That's probably somewhat of an issue

[fresh timber]

ayee it works

[devout forum]

This is already proven to be a real thing

LTT killed a 14900K because they had a TINY spot on the die not properly LMd in a direct die vid

[fresh timber]

sounds like user error

[devout forum]

Any even SLIGHT pooling would be a huge problem because there is NO heat spreader on a GPU die

[storm narwhal]

until it leaks and the chip dies of it's own accord

[devout forum]

So the risk of immediate catastrophic failure is much higher than with CPUs

LM is just

A really bad idea

This is practically just BEGGING for magic smoke

[fresh timber]

gm made a video with the themal engineer guy and their confident that their will be no problems

[storm narwhal]

First 12v high power cables not being plugged in all the way

They were pretty confident about them not burning too

[devout forum]

They were "Entirely confident that there could be no issue"

Lo and behold

There were issues

[storm narwhal]

Crazy how that works

[devout forum]

I'm highly sceptical about using LM

[fresh timber]

sounds like user error

[devout forum]

PTM would've been a much better solution IMO

[mortal grail]

I said I wouldn't touch it until it's well established fact that it works fine

[storm narwhal]

PTM would be THE solution

[devout forum]

Turns out it wasn't kek

[fresh timber]

doesnt plug something in right
fire
shocked emojI

[mortal grail]

That's not shilling amd that's just distrusting tf out of lm

Cos I've seen too many nightmare situations for LM

[fresh timber]

where RMA honored

[devout forum]

plugs everything in right
Still fire
Surprised mfg

[mortal grail]

They think FE is the only Nvidia card huh

[fresh timber]

if they rma it cause of that i wont complain

[mortal grail]

[fresh timber]

true u dont have to get a FE

[mortal grail]

People brainlet so hard when their favourite brand is attacked

Idgaf if it's red blue or green

LM has nothing to do with that regardless

[devout forum]

The RMAs were handled by an ASUS rep so they're forced to buy the replacement card due to "user induced external damage"

[fresh timber]

now we complain

[storm narwhal]

Genius move

[devout forum]

(That was sarcastic tbh)

[fresh timber]

ehh its an asus rep

[storm narwhal]

They gotta do that now

[mortal grail]

In fact I get called an AMD shill way too often these days when I'm actually an intel shill to a good extent

[devout forum]

But yes IIRC Nvidia tried to deny replacement but then had to backtrack

[fresh timber]

dont worry im a nvidia shill using amd gpu

[mortal grail]

Nvidia cpu would be fun

[devout forum]

I'm a self shill

I should be given free hardware

[fresh timber]

frfr

[devout forum]

Free 5090 cuz I'm me lel

[fresh timber]

i want 5070 but i dont wanna spend all my money

[mortal grail]

He said, clamouring from his strait jacket

[proud jackal]

[devout forum]

Fr tho

[storm narwhal]

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME, NOT HIM

[devout forum]

Jokes aside

I'm just gonna steer clear from the 50 series

[fresh timber]

more for me!

[mortal grail]

Newegg should let me review 50 series

[fresh timber]

fr!

[mortal grail]

Or better yet 9070 XT

[devout forum]

Because concerning behavior+concerning design+way too high price+deceptive marketing

[mortal grail]

[upper hawk]

Is a entire rig with a 5070 possible within 1k ?

[fresh timber]

ill take a 5070, 5070ti, 5080, 5090

[fresh timber]

so a $400 pc minus cpu, slap 5070 in it

[mortal grail]

If you avoid mfg it's realistic to an extent

[fresh timber]

possible, will it be balanced ?idk

[devout forum]

@mortal grail seems legit for a short explanation of the 50 series?

[mortal grail]

No

[devout forum]

Who was that for?

[mortal grail]

Tbh both

[devout forum]

Oof

I shall mow resign as a techie

[mortal grail]

Good shot it's unbalanced and I wouldn't context 50 series that way

[devout forum]

My takes are no longer right

[mortal grail]

Cos the software from 50 series looks genuinely good

Ignore the hardware

[devout forum]

Shameful dispray

[mortal grail]

Reflex 2 is genius

[fresh timber]

UGH

$45 a month

UGH

[mortal grail]

Don't

[upper hawk]

Older gen will get iirc

[mortal grail]

Lmao

[mortal grail]

Yes

Everyone wins on 50 series except those who buy in fear of missing mfg

[fresh timber]

ima wait for my government moeny to come in to buy a gpu :p ill suffer with a 7700xt for a little longer

[mortal grail]

Not even suffering 💀

[fresh timber]

im suffering

newer games are struggling

[mortal grail]

You must be playing at unrealistic settings then

[fresh timber]

and i wanna try proper raytracing

[mortal grail]

Yep there we go

Lol

[devout forum]

Lol

[fresh timber]

i said try cause i cant even raytrace

i turn that stuff off

[mortal grail]

You can in the right situations

[fresh timber]

the IdJ game deosnt even have mf fsr

only dlss

[mortal grail]

Id game?

Papers please?

[fresh timber]

indana jones i ment

[mortal grail]

Oh

Lol

[fresh timber]

yuh

and u cant turn raytrcing fully off in that game

[upper hawk]

Anyone else going to camp outside their local microcenter ?

[mortal grail]

You can enable afmf 2 just use it conservatively

[upper hawk]

Hopefully I can snag a 5090

[fresh timber]

yeah im good with that dog water driver fake frame poo

simplely wont play that game until it runs good

aka the fsr patch

[mortal grail]

It's the same as fsr just more aggressive

Eh

[mortal grail]

Lossless scaling is a thing as well btw

[fresh timber]

looks like they announched it

peak

[mortal grail]

Announch

[fresh timber]

i tried that before

[fresh timber]

yeah

ANNOUCH

[devout forum]

I actually have an idea

Y'all remember those old "2 GPU cores on one card" things?

[fresh timber]

i think i found my issue

240hz

[mortal grail]

Those still exist and some aren't even that old

[devout forum]

Why not make that return
But one GPU is for raster only
While the other is RT only?

[fresh timber]

yuh

[fresh timber]

latency

[mortal grail]

There's an amd one iirc of two laced together navi 21's

[devout forum]

Oh no I mean
If you play a raster game
You only use the raster GOU core

[tight agate]

My 3060 is running with 1 fan. Thank to English for finding this

[fresh timber]

but if ur using raster and raytracing, rip latency

[devout forum]

When you RT
You use the RT only GPU core

[devout forum]

Just don't lol

[fresh timber]

but its raytrcing only

how does it do everything els

like the non raytacing parts of the game

[mortal grail]

I don't think the rt means the latency exists here....

[fresh timber]

im just confused on how it would work

at this point just combine the rt and raster gpu into one, bigger gpu

[mortal grail]

What would create latency is making the frame buffer work and achieving synchronous compute

[devout forum]

But yields

Bigger die = bad yields

[fresh timber]

pull a amd and make it a chiplet design

[mortal grail]

That's just big chip

Not many chip

Lol

[devout forum]

I'd not be surprised if that would happen

[mortal grail]

Well it's the future

It's not multi gpu tho

[devout forum]

The problem is the same
Latency

[fresh timber]

pull a amd and include ai accelratios in al lof 7000 series but dont let us use them 🙂

[devout forum]

Comms between different silicon dies would still succ

[mortal grail]

This is why I love reflex 2

Dropping system latency to basically nothing is better than any overclock

This is a FACT

[devout forum]

Is it at least locked to 50 series?

[mortal grail]

No

All rtx

[devout forum]

Huh

4080 W

[fresh timber]

i think 50 series only avantge is multi frame gen

[mortal grail]

Reflex 2 is a huge win for nvidia in general

[devout forum]

Which I give no crap about

[mortal grail]

That's why I disagree with the nv slander

[fresh timber]

the investors do

[devout forum]

Like frame gen is entirely missing me out

[mortal grail]

The cards seem ass but reflex 2 is amazing

[fresh timber]

real

[devout forum]

I just
Don't care

[ancient swift]

Didn't RDNA 3 have a rumored MCM GPU? Lol

[fresh timber]

framegen feels mushy and too much latency

[mortal grail]

It's not rumoured it's real

It has a gcd then mcds

[devout forum]

You get to buy a software upgrade and a TDP boost at full retail kek

[lone mango]

I like how amd is always up to something

[devout forum]

The problem is they're always second place doing them

[mortal grail]

Basically lmao

[devout forum]

Like IDFK what's wrong with AMD

But some stuff is 100% borked

[devout forum]

I do like the efficiency of the 4080 a lot tho

[fresh timber]

amd might not be as bad as i thought

[lone mango]

When I watch asianometry mlid and high yield i get the impression that they are experimenting a lot

[devout forum]

Like it's consistently been THE most efficient GPU until now

[mortal grail]

Also nvidia: lets crank tf out of this then sell it as a new card

[fresh timber]

i just realised, my psu isnt good enough for a 5090

[devout forum]

It's like what, 300 watts power draw and enough grunt for 4k?

[devout forum]

850s aren't lol

[fresh timber]

yeah i have a 850w 😭

[devout forum]

Well depends on CPU

[fresh timber]

iv been saving my 12vhpwr cable

[devout forum]

But generally 850 is very on the fence

[lone mango]

For us 5090 is pointless anyway

[devout forum]

4090 already drew 440 watts

[fresh timber]

yeah

if i had 5090 money or got it for free id buy it

[devout forum]

There is a legitimate risk of a 5090 PC tripping the breaker in the US

[fresh timber]

then id watch it sit a 40% 99% of the time when gaming

[devout forum]

If you pair it with a 14900KS

[fresh timber]

15a or 20a breaker

[lone mango]

Gotta undervolt

[devout forum]

You can potentially overload your breaker if it's only a 15a

Especially overclocked

[fresh timber]

well their you go, your overclocked

[devout forum]

You're not LIKELY to do so
But you COULD do so

Which is just
Stupid

[fresh timber]

if u have a 14900ks and 5090 you prob can figure out how not to do that

[devout forum]

Just be in Europe, ez

240v can take a 15a breaker to lime 4 kW

[fresh timber]

i wish i had that problem

my pc uses too mcuh power

i wanna do 5090 and 9800x3d, but wallet says 5080/5070 and 13600kf

[lone mango]

Comments on jay unboxing video going hard rn

• Eco friendly packaging.
  -Pulls 600W from the wall

"The box is rendered with less materials. You need AI and DLSS 4 to see the finish box product"

[devout forum]

I wanna dO 9800X3D + 5090
But wallet says monitor upgrade only

[lone mango]

Cooking

[fresh timber]

oled monitor??

[devout forum]

Not even

[devout forum]

Just a 180hz 1080p IPS

[fresh timber]

just cop a 1440p 240hz like me

[lone mango]

$2000 btw

[devout forum]

6700XT

6700XT isn't even a 1440p card anymore

[lone mango]

For me a 6700 xt is still a 1440p card

[devout forum]

It's a 1440p60 one

[fresh timber]

real

[lone mango]

I dont play unreal engine so im good

[devout forum]

Used to be 1440p80-100

But that's no longer sadly

[fresh timber]

im on unreal engine rn

gettgng 300 fps

[lone mango]

Yeah fornite is the exception

[devout forum]

I'm honestly kinda depressed how quickly my rig faded into kind of obscurity

[fresh timber]

unreal engine 5 can be optmised

fortnite is living proof

[devout forum]

It's not even 2 years old in my hands

[lone mango]

What settings you on

[fresh timber]

the only valid settings for this game

i can higher tem and still get good fps anyways

[lone mango]

Well yeah that has unreal stuff turned off

[devout forum]

SM2 shattered my dreams

[fresh timber]

i can turn the unreal tings on and it still look good

[devout forum]

Now I'm sad

[fresh timber]

no raytacing obviously

[lone mango]

[devout forum]

I love SM2 but it REALLY screwed me over

[lone mango]

With those settings lumen is on

[fresh timber]

ok 100fps sucks i cant even build right

my 1% lows are prob doodoo

oo this is why it feels awful rn

[lone mango]

Man proved himself wrong

[fresh timber]

its an amd probelm

amd doesnt do good on this game

i used the recommneded settings, 1% lows fixed

..THEY ADDED XESS WHEN

welp i know wht im using now

more fps yippie

and xess lowes my fps

:/

[lone mango]

Nah its the game

Nvidia can run bad too but in its own way

Put a framerate cap and you should be good

[fresh timber]

I just went back to all low lmfao

[lone mango]

It might be even better with a cap

[mortal grail]

FPS cap + Avoiding perf mode is usually the good meta for radeon on that game

[lone mango]

Ironically nvidia seems to suffer more on .1%

So whatever you have its better to cap it

[lone mango]

When uncapped

[rancid juniper]

ain't cpu also play a role in this tho?

[fresh timber]

%1 lows don’t matter when their in the hundreds

[mortal grail]

Games in general do worse on .1 and 1% with no cap

[lone mango]

When you at like 300 yeah

[rancid juniper]

no 🧢

[rancid juniper]

ok

[pseudo patrol]

how are these people getting 5090's and not doing benchmarks 💀

[fresh timber]

embargo

[rancid juniper]

nvidia edging the market

[fresh timber]

peak amd settings

last time i tried dx12 all low yielded lower peak fps but better 1% lows

[rancid juniper]

for my AMD settings i'd go
DX11
180fps cap
Mix of high and ultra

[fresh timber]

and capping made my 1% lows even worth

[mortal grail]

Ya really want better lows anyway for combat

[fresh timber]

yeah, thats why i use dx12

[rancid juniper]

whoa MERCER

[fresh timber]

i onl use performance mode if the gpu im using cant do good on dx12

[mortal grail]

Which is the correct way to do it on radeon yes

[fresh timber]

ima blame my ddr4

their we goo

damn it stablized at 150 1% lows

[mortal grail]

Now cap yourself at your monitor refresh and the 1% and 0.1% goes way tf up

Introduce gpu available overhead

[fresh timber]

its worst

[mortal grail]

Should be better

[fresh timber]

wait it did something

yeah its the sme or slightly worst now

[mortal grail]

Counter intuitive to the change it should be better lol

[fresh timber]

to be fair i didnt drop my fps too much

i went from 300-320 to 240

[mortal grail]

What's the monitor refresh

[fresh timber]

240hz

[mortal grail]

Ah then it probably won't do much no

I was expecting 144

[fresh timber]

o lmfao

tis mf was expensive $310 for 1440p 240hz

cant even hit 240hz in 99% of games

hell in pubs on fortnite i dont even hit 240 consistantly

[mortal grail]

Well no I wouldn't expect that from a 7700XT lol

7700XT is more a medium 1440p card

[fresh timber]

glad i didnt buy the monitor

[mortal grail]

Not a high refresh card

[fresh timber]

it can run valorant at high 240

somehow roblox cant

[mortal grail]

Valorant runs on toasters

Lol

[fresh timber]

iv ran it on a toaster before i couldnt even load into a match

[mortal grail]

Roblox is also a gibberish level of code in many situations

[fresh timber]

it was some dual core computer

[mortal grail]

Well windows barely runs on dual core so

[fresh timber]

i want that 5070

[mortal grail]

That's not toaster that's just cope

[rancid juniper]

funnily enough you needed a decent pc to run most roblox games at max settings

[mortal grail]

💀

[fresh timber]

one game drops me down to 30fps

[mortal grail]

Cos you shouldn't expect decent code from basic ass games is why

[rancid juniper]

lmfao true

[mortal grail]

I could program a game that jumpscares a rick roll and send any pc not on a 5090 to 10 fps

[fresh timber]

dont u love having ur 2nd pc macro a game

[mortal grail]

It still counts

[rancid juniper]

bro what is this?

[nocturne flicker]

Wait in the line

[fresh timber]

unironicly my cpu spiked to 100w on moonlight

[rancid juniper]

least odd game title

[mortal grail]

Is that what the zoomer haircut is called

The more you know

⭐

[rancid juniper]

guess so

XD

[nocturne flicker]

The zoomer haircut? Why are there so many zoomer things I don't know of

[fresh timber]

unironicly minecaft being claimed to be unopmtized gives me the best fps out of all my games

[mortal grail]

I feel like I see it everywhere

Lol

[rancid juniper]

zoomer haircut = extra idiot

[nocturne flicker]

Then again I don't pay attention to hair styles besides uniform buzzcut and untrimmed mess

[mortal grail]

I am overdue for a cut

I tried to get in before the new year

[fresh timber]

Peak gaming

[velvet summit]

Wtf would you call that hair cut

"gonna take a little off the top.... And the sides and the back"

[mortal grail]

Not to be mean but it's like

Hold on

$300 restaurant

[rancid juniper]

nice scam

[nocturne flicker]

I'll have some brown with my brown with a brown sauce. Put some brown sprinkled on top and maybe a little green to remind me of shrubbery

That'll be $5000

[mortal grail]

One shrubbery

NI

NI NI NI

[nocturne flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-knights-who-say-ni-ni-gif-12279570

[velvet summit]

https://youtu.be/yCsoB5loMmI

[rigid sinew]

good afternoon frens

is anyone going to megacon???

[pliant berry]

good night fren

[lone mango]

[mortal grail]

I've been repairing a laptop

If you're curious #techie

Lol

[fresh timber]

Mhh

[velvet summit]

Me when no access

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah that's the secret secret chat

[fresh timber]

Is that the furry roleplay chat?

[mortal grail]

Sure

[fresh timber]

Damn

Does it get freaky in their

[mortal grail]

Oh it gets really freaky

[fresh timber]

O wow

Who’s the freakiest of them all

[mortal grail]

Probably forks

His worst confessions are in there

[rigid sinew]

im proud of you

[mortal grail]

I genuinely saved my brother like $400 usd lol

Need better bolts tho to finish the job

[fresh timber]

#techie

[mortal grail]

Lol

Secret secret

[fresh timber]

furry roleplay

[mortal grail]

Sure

[fresh timber]

wait u can foward on discord now

yo

@sweet phoenix how long u think it will be til used 4080s become a normal price? im thinking when 5080 is consistanty in stock

[mortal grail]

oy

[sweet phoenix]

5080 could be under 10% better than the 4080, and we have no idea what the 5080 will actually be selling for, with tariffs likely incoming and new generation stock is almost always iffy

[fresh timber]

theirs already 5080 listings on bestbuy

[sweet phoenix]

Ok?

[fresh timber]

we have their prices

[sweet phoenix]

Yes

We have their msrps

[fresh timber]

u think bestbuy just put the msrp?

and will change it when it comes in stock

[sweet phoenix]

Best buy, no. But they might have very low stock, like with 30 series

[fresh timber]

cause this is what they are saying a 5080 will cost

[fresh timber]

yeah, it will prob take a while for sto ck to become a ting

best bet, microcenter

[nocturne flicker]

Best Buy usually puts MSRP but their stock is garbage

[fresh timber]

ikr

i had to hut down some things

why is bestbuy ddr4 so expensiv

[sweet phoenix]

Because best buy is a crappy company with crappy business practices and very limited choices

Literally only things they have going for them are clearance/open box sales and gpus

[nocturne flicker]

Are they still doing that paywall thing for certain items?

[ancient swift]

That'd be an FE model which only Best Buy gets and is usually MSRP.

AIB's will be more expensive as usual ;-;

[fresh timber]

the only thing i like them for is stuff like phones, tablets, and laptops

[fresh timber]

yup

if FE model is the cheapest why not

unless u want a AIB for no reason but to spend more money

[ancient swift]

because FE is usually the first to sell out and stay sold out

[fresh timber]

prob goin be cheaper than the 4080 $1400 msrp

[dusk knot]

Hhhhhhhmmmmmmm

[nocturne flicker]

Also AIBs used to actually be better

[fresh timber]

iv heard

[nocturne flicker]

Back when FE was bleh

[ancient swift]

I know of 6 workers who plan to camp out microcenter and not even risk Best Buy selling out for the 50 series launch. they are crazy lol

[dusk knot]

Best buy is going to suck no doubt. They might only have 20 cards in receiving.

Per store

[nocturne flicker]

20 per store is a bit too high volume

[dusk knot]

Online in a lost cause. The website will crash

[ancient swift]

its extra funny cause their pc's are basically identical.

9800x3d, 64gbs DDR5(They really don't need it) and either the 5080 or 5090

[nocturne flicker]

15 at best

[dusk knot]

10

[nocturne flicker]

2 and a slap in the back

[fresh timber]

ima just go to microcenter and get a gpu

dont gotta worry about scalping at the goat

[dusk knot]

Indead

[ancient swift]

Imma be patient with GPU upgrades.

Gonna upgrade my CPU first and then when I actually need it upgrade my GPU. Not sure to what yet.

[dusk knot]

Microcenter will be the best spot

I'm going today

[nocturne flicker]

The gamers must compete in a gladatorial deathmatch in the Washer and Dryer aisles for the right to buy one of the two in stock 50 series GPUs

[fresh timber]

nice

i get money in like 8 weeks

a few thousand most likley

[dusk knot]

5090?

[fresh timber]

goin pay a few bills for my mama mostly my medical then use rest for gpu

[fresh timber]

helllll nooo

too mcuh

ging 5080 or 5070

[dusk knot]

A man with a Brain

[fresh timber]

if 5090 was a real price then maybe

[fresh timber]

brian

[dusk knot]

Autocorrect

Smh

It hates me

[fresh timber]

i alr saved up $540

[nocturne flicker]

Yes this is Brian speaking

[ancient swift]

I knew a guy named Brian once if that counts

[fresh timber]

i could technicly afford a 5070 rn lamost

[dusk knot]

Oh hey Brian

[nocturne flicker]

I am a Brian

[dusk knot]

I could get a 5080

[ancient swift]

I decided Monitor > CPU > GPU for me. in order of upgrades.

The LG I got is great btw

[dusk knot]

OLED

[ancient swift]

Ye

OLED 240hz, 1440p

[dusk knot]

😏

[nocturne flicker]

I had someone here pronounce Brian as Breean

[fresh timber]

my plan, 5070/4080, upgrade to x3d, oled monitor, in that order

[dusk knot]

Why not 5080

[fresh timber]

i ment 5080

[dusk knot]

Ok

[fresh timber]

used 4080 if its cheap

[ancient swift]

I don't need a GPU Upgrade for my gaming PC. also I dunno what I'd do with it when I do upgrade cause it won't fit in my HTPC

[fresh timber]

u have a 3090

:p

if i got a good price on a usd 3090 id get that too

[dusk knot]

3090 weak

[ancient swift]

My gaming PC is 5800x/3080 ti

[fresh timber]

sooo a 3090 with less vram

[ancient swift]

ye

[dusk knot]

5800x3d/3080ti....

[ancient swift]

Nah, if i upgrade im going 9800x3d

gonna rebuild my pc

[dusk knot]

Same

[nocturne flicker]

5800X3D and a 6950xt at 1080p

[fresh timber]

i coul buy 9800x3d but i dont have the money for a motherboard or ram

[dusk knot]

Ame

[fresh timber]

7700xt to used 4070 super 🤔

[nocturne flicker]

I started this build with a 3600XT and a 1080, it got here but I never upgraded the monitor

[fresh timber]

damn

[dusk knot]

He went to AMD 😔

[fresh timber]

😭

the amd curse

[nocturne flicker]

There was a used 3070 in between the 1080 and the 6950xt. I thought the 3070 was dying though so I replaced it and it fixed my issues for about 2 weeks

[fresh timber]

3070 usede to be good value used market.. but arc came out sooo

[nocturne flicker]

Turned out my motherboard was just dying

But it was doing it in the dumbest way possible

[fresh timber]

i really wanna buy an arc b580 😭 but i cant justify a reason

[ancient swift]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYK4Nz

The motherboards keep going out of stock but I think I'd want the Asrock B850m Riptide

[nocturne flicker]

It would just have the PC crash under heavy gpu loads. And after I replaced the GPU it moved over into random crashes during heavy M.2 activity.

[fresh timber]

damn

welp i figured out how i could make a nas in the a3

[dusk knot]

M.2 crashes. Super rare

[nocturne flicker]

After the random crashes the secondary M.2 slot would random malfunction and require a restart to detect it

[fresh timber]

oof

[dusk knot]

I've experienced that. The BiOs didn't know either

[idle nexus]

Any M.2s I've ever had lead to crash looked like this next time I turned the system on

[fresh timber]

oof

[nocturne flicker]

And it didn't matter which drive was in what slot, the slot with the non-OS drive would bork

[fresh timber]

rip m.2 slot

[dusk knot]

Just hit it with a hammer

[idle nexus]

I had issues like this with early AM5 chipset drivers

I had to restart to get the M.2 to show

however, I suspect the issue was more serious & it was issues on the CPU with PCIe lanes

[nocturne flicker]

And then my CPU started reporting as being 120% or so over TDP when at .3ghz idle

[fresh timber]

bro

does nvidia still make 3050s and 3060s or something

[idle nexus]

after I cleaned whatever the heck this was off my CPU, M.2s worked without incident

[fresh timber]

[nocturne flicker]

Then my motherboard died so I dropped $210 on a X570 Taichi and now it works. TUF mobos go brrrr into the bin

[fresh timber]

mysocket has paste in it

[idle nexus]

after discussing it at length in OC discords, etc., the best theory is that liquid metal seeped through the CPU lol

makes sense no?

[mortal grail]

What

Seeped through

Maybe brushed off your hands

[idle nexus]

dunno what else it would've been tbh

[velvet summit]

completely natural thing to occur

[mortal grail]

Not seeped LMAO

[velvet summit]

💀

[mortal grail]

If it seeped through mate the cpu would brick itself

[nocturne flicker]

LM osmosis

[velvet summit]

real

[idle nexus]

well I dunno

[mortal grail]

LM through all the cpu pipelines

[idle nexus]

I'm usually really careful with LM

[mortal grail]

[idle nexus]

5090 has LM

[elfin mural]

liquid metal cpu pipelines

[mortal grail]

It doesn't even look like LM mate

It looks like oxidised pads

[elfin mural]

5070 is totally as fast as 4090

[velvet summit]

me when i somehow oxidize gold

[idle nexus]

very possible I dunno

[elfin mural]

"without ai this wouldn't be possible"

4x fg

[nocturne flicker]

Spilt milk on cpu

[worthy tapir]

I did that with an arc a380 and now it just sits in a box 😂

[mortal grail]

Yes oxidation is what it looks like

[idle nexus]

I couldn't get it off with alcohol or eh whatever is in nail polish remover I forget

[mortal grail]

Cos you do goofy things

Yes

It won't come off easily

Lol

[idle nexus]

but you know what diiiiiiid get it off?

[mortal grail]

Nail polish?

[velvet summit]

gold oxide isnt that colour so it probably is some other form of deposit

[idle nexus]

my favorite stuff ever

[fresh timber]

[idle nexus]

Fitz Polish ftw again

[wise wigeon]

You guys see that rdna4 is confirmed match now lol?

[mortal grail]

Go look up oxidised cpus and come back lmao

[wise wigeon]

March*

[idle nexus]

look up uh

contact fretting CPU

[fresh timber]

march

ooo

i might bet 9070xt

get

[nocturne flicker]

I got rid of something too

[fresh timber]

idk i have too many options

[velvet summit]

i mean, isnt cpu pins not made of gold, and just gold plated? maybe it's the metal that the pins are made of, whatever it is

[fresh timber]

[mortal grail]

Yes

[fresh timber]

i gave a kid a $10 for gas cause i felt bad

[idle nexus]

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/cpu-has-strange-white-spots-on-bottom.3470277/

[nocturne flicker]

Is my credit card balance

CC Debt be gone

[mortal grail]

Yep this is what I was talking about

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-chain-breaking-chain-meme-gif-15783897973479492543

[nocturne flicker]

Also I have enough cash set aside to safely put my 401k contributions to 90% for a year to get money out of my taxable brokerage

[wise wigeon]

Man I know “AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity” is a meme based on past launches but this is like rough

[fresh timber]

ngl chat

[lone mango]

Bro forgot contact fretting for the third time

[fresh timber]

i might wait for a b770 or what even intel cooks

the b580 is alr very good.. a b7700 or what ever.. 4070ti??

[lone mango]

Realest sidegrade ever

[fresh timber]

[wise wigeon]

Like what’s even delaying the launch this badly

[idle nexus]

almost 5 years later, finally time for an update

[wise wigeon]

Waiting for 5070 data?

[fresh timber]

real

5070 benchamrks will make or break it for me

[velvet summit]

What does it taste like frrr

[wise wigeon]

Like AMD has to realize this makes it look like they have no confidence in their product

[idle nexus]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0025QZMRI?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[nocturne flicker]

AMD has never had confidence in their GPUs

[lone mango]

Thats what I was saying when they had their reveal earlier

[velvet summit]

Nah it's gonna blow everyone else out of the water trust frfr

[lone mango]

It could be that they wanted to see what nvidia prices were so they could have theirs be has high as possible but still be a little bit cheaper

[wise wigeon]

They have had very misguided confidence in many of their launches

[nocturne flicker]

They literally did a last minute price cut for the 7000 series

[wise wigeon]

Remember the poor Volta memes

[fresh timber]

9070xt, will amd fix their encoders

[idle nexus]

recent 2080ti cleaning (Fitz Polish ftwftwftw)

[lone mango]

Thats what the engineer on github said so yeah it should be fixed

[wise wigeon]

I mean that’s how I felt when they literally didn’t bother to talk about it in their CES panel

[lone mango]

Amd needs to have adrenalin for linux bro i need that

[mortal grail]

Does this help with flaking?

Curious

[lone mango]

Yeah but they said they will have a separate event for it

[idle nexus]

eh not that I'm aware of

[lone mango]

Tbh they did cover a lot so it is somewhat understandable

[wise wigeon]

Yeah like a week after the panel

[lone mango]

Cpu news was huge

[mortal grail]

Sad, that's what the 4090 block has a bit of

I have to take it apart, maybe I can run it bare copper

[wise wigeon]

Like if AMD was competitive and had like a 7900xtx/4080S tier card for sub 600 I woulda spring for it

[lone mango]

Apparently 9070 xt will be 480-530

And will fight with the 4080

[wise wigeon]

Yeah but if it’s really that good idk why they would push it back to march unless there are major hardware or software issues

[lone mango]

I think they want nvidia to go so they can get the upper hand

[wise wigeon]

Retailers literally already have stock

[lone mango]

If they launch a banging product then nvidia might counter

They want to undercut nvidia

[wise wigeon]

That’s their aim as always

[lone mango]

Yeah but they go like 20-30 below on launch day. THis time they want to go further

[fresh timber]

imagine intel beaks a 9070xt

[dusk knot]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[nocturne flicker]

I mean, they don't really have any other option but try and undercut Nvidia?

[lone mango]

So they will let nvidia do its thing and then try to really get under them

[dusk knot]

Very possible soon

[fresh timber]

nvidia could littrely release a bad gpu and people will buy it cause nvidia

[wise wigeon]

But if it’s truly 480-530 it’s a no brained for that performance

[fresh timber]

if they do.. im going team intel

[wise wigeon]

Eh intel battle mage is already massive

[lone mango]

yeah but to me it seems like they are trying to really get under, not like $20 under

[nocturne flicker]

Maybe, dunno

[lone mango]

But again we will see

[wise wigeon]

Look man I wanna be optimistic but it’s really not looking good

[nocturne flicker]

I just want Nvidia to be cut down. Their influence and power is disgustingly enormous

[lone mango]

I saw a listing on a foreign website that had vat included and when they subtracted it the price was 530 after converting

[fresh timber]

battlemage 4080?

[wise wigeon]

It’s like the Philippines

[lone mango]

I dont care about arc anymore because of the overhead issue

[fresh timber]

just let their drivers mature man, its their 2nd generation

[mortal grail]

Speaking from experience it was pretty bad lol

[lone mango]

If the 570 has overhead then you would need a 12950 x3d to really get the most out of the b770

[wise wigeon]

But still it’s just like if the xt is less than 5070 price at 4080S performance it’d still sell like hotcakes

[lone mango]

It was like this at launch, and even alchemist had some too but it wasnt bad

[fresh timber]

cool, once again 2nd gen

[lone mango]

If it does get fixed it will be forever

[wise wigeon]

I just don’t see why they would push it back unless there are some major issues to hash out

[fresh timber]

i woudlnt see overhead as a major issue

[lone mango]

Wgat I mean was that intel knew this from the start, which is why they kept doing 1440p benchmarks

[nocturne flicker]

They could be waiting on US pricing tho

[mortal grail]

Let me toss an example for you

B580

[nocturne flicker]

That is actually a real concern rn

[mortal grail]

PoE2

[fresh timber]

what

nevre heard of that video game before

[mortal grail]

60 fps was optimistic for us on all low settings

Path of exile 2

[nocturne flicker]

Tariff go brrrrrrrrrr

[fresh timber]

interesting

[mortal grail]

We had 20 fps dips

With XeSS on

[fresh timber]

never heard of path of exile before, google time

[mortal grail]

With frame gen

💀

[wise wigeon]

POE is massive lol

[worthy meteor]

It's probably gonna come up with the Elon musk thing lmao

[fresh timber]

i see why i never heard of it knot really my time of game

[mortal grail]

Then, and this was a blank windows install btw

We put the 6750XT in

[fresh timber]

so on game had a problem, what about the others

[mortal grail]

120fps locked at high settings

[wise wigeon]

Genuinely so funny how pathetic he is

[mortal grail]

No 20 fps dips

Some games

Are AWFUL on Arc still

[fresh timber]

let the drivers mature, even alchimst had these type of problems

[worthy meteor]

Yea that was a really weird situation for him to put himself in

[mortal grail]

Like completely unusable

[wise wigeon]

The overhead issues are massive

[lone mango]

Bro dont know

[fresh timber]

all their issues is down to software ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone mango]

Hardware unboxed is covering a lot of it

[mortal grail]

I agree but I'm just clarifying an extreme example, they'll take a long ass time after what I saw

[wise wigeon]

Like it goes from equal to 4060 to to worse than a 4060

[fresh timber]

yeah i see the concern

[mortal grail]

This was way worse, it's like 1650 levels of dips

[wise wigeon]

And worse with DLSS or any ups along method

[fresh timber]

the best i can recommend is look at what ur going to play, and what resoluton ur using it in beore buying

[lone mango]

Sometimes a 4060 is better which is pretty brutal

[mortal grail]

We had upscaling on so strong that any effects on screen looked like mosaic blurring from cop shows

💀

[fresh timber]

if u have a decent cpu but gpu is lackin and battlemage seems like a good option for you, go ahad

[wise wigeon]

Yeah but that’s not really

[lone mango]

You need a 9800x3d

[mortal grail]

We jumped to beat the scalping, no money was lost though

[wise wigeon]

You need like a x3d cpu

[fresh timber]

w

i bet i could run a b580 with my 13600kf just fine

[lone mango]

Even 7600 falls behind 9800x3d with the b850 which is crazy

[fresh timber]

1440p

[mortal grail]

I wouldn't go this far, but for many many games you want a pretty competent cpu imo

[fresh timber]

b850 doesnt exist

[mortal grail]

AM5 b850 exists

[fresh timber]

thus the look at what your going to play part

[wise wigeon]

I mean to not see the substantial loss

[lone mango]

[wise wigeon]

Even compared to a 5600 it’s real rough

[fresh timber]

yeah its rough with a 5600

[mortal grail]

Yes you're right but we had no precedent and we were going off only what was available

[fresh timber]

thats why i told my friend to wait off upgrading his 1660 super

his 5500 will not run arc well

[wise wigeon]

And 5600 is still one of the most popular cpus

[mortal grail]

Nothing wrong with a shot in the dark if you can return the card right?

If we won the gamble it'd have been a value pick of the year

[fresh timber]

might as well go for a 6650xt

i want a b510 to come out

single slot

[mortal grail]

Honestly yes

For low end I just can't suggest a B580 rn outside of AAA

Heavily benchmarked stuff

[worthy meteor]

We do need a new like gt1030 kinda thing

[fresh timber]

we had the a310

but no more stock

[mortal grail]

6500XT

[fresh timber]

not worth

[mortal grail]

Used they're ok

[worthy meteor]

I'm talking sub $100

[wise wigeon]

Battle mage went from a decent competitor to a iffy one with a lot of asterisks

[nocturne flicker]

We need a new GT1010

[mortal grail]

Again used they're ok

[fresh timber]

this is an amazing card

[worthy meteor]

Idk uses prices lol

[fresh timber]

one of the best gpus for transcoding

[mortal grail]

I was pretty let down by the whole arc thing

I figured it was like, early RDNA 2 days

Nah

[wise wigeon]

Anyway

[mortal grail]

Way worse

Maybe in 2 years it finally gets to that "Minimal issues" point

[wise wigeon]

Yeah I was gonna see what AMD had going on if it was January but uh looks like I’m going down the 5080 route

[fresh timber]

if 9070xt is a 4080.. just saying they got my money again unfortuntly

[wise wigeon]

Big if and it has to be a decent price

And I need fsr 4 to be actually well implemented in more than a handful of games

[fresh timber]

yeah

dlss is sooo goood

[wise wigeon]

Like yeah fsr4 looks good but its implementation has to be pretty nice for me to pick it over DLSS

[fresh timber]

and games have to support it

or atleast be easy enough for me to mod it in my self

or ill just use lossless scaling

[mortal grail]

Said it before and I'll say again, buying on the premise of a tech that on both sides hasn't got many games to support it is like buying into a preorder

[dusk knot]

16gb Vram

[fresh timber]

16gb vram is gog

how much longe ris 12gb going to be usable

[mortal grail]

Long time

What

[fresh timber]

at like 1440p 1080p is 🤮

[mortal grail]

A long time 💀

[wise wigeon]

I wish it had more than 16gb but like what else am I gonna buy outside of older slower cards

[fresh timber]

long time with like maxed textures?

[mortal grail]

That's not the same thing at all

[wise wigeon]

VRAM is really only a major issue at 4k lol

[mortal grail]

That's having expectations

[fresh timber]

of course 12gb will be enough if u keep loweirng settings :p

[wise wigeon]

Some games definitely hoard more

[dusk knot]

🫤

[mortal grail]

You should expect that of a card that gets older

[fresh timber]

yeah, but their shipping new cards with 12gb still

cough cough nvidia

[wise wigeon]

But thinking 12gb isn’t enough for like 2-4 years at 1080p is kinda off

[fresh timber]

amd and intel seem to use braincells and ship 16gb alot

[dusk knot]

Over my dead body!

[fresh timber]

imagine ur perfectly capable gpu has to lower settings because nvidia decided to give u 12gb vram

[mortal grail]

Y'all really want the perfect world experience to keep sticking with aging cards 💀

Fr

[wise wigeon]

2080 to was such a weird card

[fresh timber]

look at hte 3070 they did a 16gb mod to it and increased perofrmance

[hoary zodiac]

Insert intel quad core era again

[mortal grail]

People still use 3070's at 1440p

Just turn down settings lol

[fresh timber]

tha3070 is case of gread

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/3070-16gb-mod

[hoary zodiac]

It's going to be interesting when they start mandating RT

[idle nexus]

so you getting 5090?

[mortal grail]

Ampere was probably the last generation to offer almost complete value for money across all skus

[dusk knot]

The 3070 felt dated to me in 2020

[fresh timber]

no $2000 gpus

[idle nexus]

lol same but I still bought it cuz I'm a clown

[mortal grail]

I'm not paying 75% more for what's not even a 50% uplift

[idle nexus]

allegedly it's 30% better for 25% more lol

[dusk knot]

We were both clowns. I had to upgrade immediately.

[mortal grail]

Back then the top sku was the money sink

The 3080 was only a little slower for 700

That was spoiled by covid

[frigid stag]

The 3060 ti was based

[idle nexus]

I didn't know you were on the ggood003 path to waste lots of money toio

I went from 3060 to 3070 to 3080ti

which wouldn't sound so bad if I didn't still have all three lol

[mortal grail]

Here the retail price is supposedly 2883 usd

[hoary zodiac]

Oh yeah xx80tis used to be under 1k

[fresh timber]

i went from a rx6600 to a 7700xt

[mortal grail]

Which I paid 1750-ish in 2022 for a 4090

[dusk knot]

You knew, but forgot

[mortal grail]

I'm not paying almost double for a 5090

Screw that

[dusk knot]

I'll never settle for a xx70

[idle nexus]

I remember you have the same 3080ti ftw 3 ultra I do

[hoary zodiac]

The 6080/super/ti will probably outperform it too

[wise wigeon]

People are really way less impressed by the performance increases because the jump to 4090 from 3090ti was pretty big

[hoary zodiac]

That's the funny thing

[mortal grail]

Yep I'd rather wait for this where we get an actual node shrink

[idle nexus]

if I can avoid it, I'm never getting a card that ends in 50, 60, or 70 again lol

[fresh timber]

i almsot traded my 7700xt for a 3070

[hoary zodiac]

People are suckers

[misty sparrow]

i need to figure out how to do this with my 3060ti

[wise wigeon]

3090 was maybe like 10-15% better than a 3080

[hoary zodiac]

that's how nvidia sells the top end

[misty sparrow]

just place more vram in there

if my 3060ti had more vram inserted it can probably run games a lot better

[fresh timber]

the fact it gives u a real perofrmance increase makes me wonder if the 3070 was nvidias way to skimp

[idle nexus]

lol 3080ti is like 95% of a 3090 with 50% of the VRAM

[fresh timber]

remember, 3060 had more vram than a 3070

[frigid stag]

Ehh

[idle nexus]

lol ya my 3060 TUF has 12gb

[mortal grail]

Roughly 15% yeah, 700 vs 1500

[frigid stag]

Look at the 4060 ti to see

[misty sparrow]

and still more than 4060

and maybe 5060

[frigid stag]

16gb isn’t gonna help it

[idle nexus]

really does a lot for it while it sits wrapped up in a box ngl

[fresh timber]

i just realised, 3060 had more vram than the 3080 12gb one doesnt seem easy to find

[misty sparrow]

12gb will

[frigid stag]

I kinda doubt it

[fresh timber]

just load stable diffusion or video edit so it makes a diffrence

[wise wigeon]

Well just have to see how things turn out

[mortal grail]

Love how you guys are saying "It needs more vram" When like 3/4 of the chat rn is considering buying 50 series which does exactly not this

💀

[idle nexus]

5090 has tons of VRAM wym

[mortal grail]

And the others?

[wise wigeon]

Look man I’m on 10gb rn

[idle nexus]

irrelevant

[hoary zodiac]

Why do you guys buy slop

[fresh timber]

5080 has 16, 5070 has 12, seems apporprate

[hoary zodiac]

why

[mortal grail]

Cop out answers lol

[frigid stag]

Bros complaining about a 3080 💀💀

[mortal grail]

Vote with your wallet and don't tell Nvidia we don't need vram

[fresh timber]

until 9070xt has 16gb of vram, is faster ,and cost less than 5070 yet looses in everything not gaming

[idle nexus]

5080 should have 24; 5070 should have 16; 5060 should have 12; & 5050 should be in a trash can

[frigid stag]

That’s not even 1st world problems that’s like a problem that doesn’t exist 😭

[fresh timber]

$5050 for $100?

[wise wigeon]

If I was on a 4080 I wouldn’t upgrade, but it’s been almost 5 years

[hoary zodiac]

It would have 24 if we stopped buying top end

[frigid stag]

Age of a gpu doesn’t mean much

[hoary zodiac]

Because they're crap

[idle nexus]

you know

[mortal grail]

I still game on a 3060 mobile

[fresh timber]

the 1080ti still wont die

[mortal grail]

They don't know that 6GB still works

[hoary zodiac]

Same here but 3070

I play map games

[frigid stag]

1080 ti is kinda weird

[hoary zodiac]

Don't need vram

[idle nexus]

maybe 5080 is like half of a 5090 so people finally won't call it an upsell? lol

[wise wigeon]

It does when the games you wanna play aren’t great on it no more

[hoary zodiac]

I game on my igpu

[fresh timber]

lets talk about how the 1080ti still hasnent died yet

[frigid stag]

If it doesn’t run on a 3080 it sucks on a 4080 ti

If I had a 3060 or something I’d understand but a 3080 doesn’t struggle in anything that runs well on newer cards. The gap is just not that big

[idle nexus]

I'm gonna protest by gaming on this from now on dammit

[misty sparrow]

yes because it is just a number

[mortal grail]

With the power of AI you can get native 5090 fps on a 5080 /s

[misty sparrow]

gpu can be four years old and then oops, now it's five

[frigid stag]

It’s like saying a 4070 super or 4070 ti is slow. It’s the game

[misty sparrow]

if it still runs well now then

[idle nexus]

I want muh real framez

[dusk knot]

Far more

[wise wigeon]

It’s all about what the person wants from their pc and for me it’s not enough right now

[idle nexus]

supposedly Fallout4 is one of the few games that scales well with SLI

probably why most of the rest of it is broken

[wise wigeon]

So that’s that

[hoary zodiac]

What about

Low settings

[mortal grail]

Cos it's supported is why

Old games still have SLI support

[frigid stag]

If you want like 160 fps in max settings in some ue5 game then good luck

[wise wigeon]

It’s not even max settings that it’s struggling with

[frigid stag]

4080 might be able to do it but not even that can at max settings

[idle nexus]

STALKER2 was actually a game about trying to destroy my 4090 I think

[frigid stag]

Ye stalker 2 is insanely unoptimised

[wise wigeon]

I’m totally down for med high or lower settings if the fidelity hit isn’t bad

[idle nexus]

UE is trash

[hoary zodiac]

Ever since cyberpunk they haven't care about optimising

[mortal grail]

That game crashes ALL pc's

[wise wigeon]

But it just ain’t meeting my needs rn

[hoary zodiac]

This is why I hate cyberpunk

[frigid stag]

It might be giving up 💀

[hoary zodiac]

Not for the game itself

But for what it did to the industry

[idle nexus]

I managed at 4k ultra for the most part

[frigid stag]

Could be a vram issue

[idle nexus]

occasional CTD but I blame the mods lol