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memory interleave on too
i dunno if its placebo or not but disabling power down did make things a bit snappier
if you drop tWRRD_sg to 28 (which will drop tWTR_L to 8), it won't run?
haven't tested
it should help with latency because you don't have to wait for it to come out of PowerDown state
does it split tRCDRD & tRCDWR on DDR4? I know it does for DDR5
I would love to set trefi to 65535 but my ram doesn't have a temp sensor so I wouldn't dare try going up like that
bro no cap i barely read that ddr4 guide
i just saw tight timings and used them lmfao
(did do extensive stress testing tho)
like for your primaries in BIOS, is it tCL 14; tRCDRD 16; tRCDWR 16; tRP 16; & tRAS 32?
so it's more like your primaries are 14-16-16-16-32
instead of 14-16-16-32
i gotta check
i wish i had that asrock timing configurator or whatever
but it doesn't work on my board now
AMD doesn't split them
which version?
you're on MSI
use DragonBall
ok
hope it works for the latest bios
if not lmk & I'll try to find it
both work on Unify-X as long as Chipset driver is installed
np sorry I should've sent that to you forever ago
derp
do you have Asrock Timing Config version 4.0.14? that's latest I have
dunno if it's actually latest
it always read tWR kinda goofy iirc
i tried that, didn't work
dragonball should be best for MSI since they made it lol
if you change that to on, you can actually change timings in Windows though I wouldn't recommend doing that lol
your feelings are correct lmao
I've only ever done that on bench ISO that I don't care if it gets borked beyond even starting sometimes lol
aside from trying to further drop tCWL (by raising tRDWR_sg/dg/sd/dd to like 16 maybe?) to 12, I don't seem much else to do tbh
or if you want to try for tWTR_L 10 or 8 but I usually run 12 on DR anyway
they'll do 2/6 for tWTR_S/L sometimes but probably not worth it anyway
i see
one more thing you can do
in the same place for memory timings in MSI BIOS
there's a thing called Memory Training Algorithms or something like that
it's up by the top above tCL, tRCD, etc.
change "Round Trip Latency" from "Auto" to "Enabled"
what does it do?
the board will make an extra effort to tighten latency settings
wild
would be funny if it decided to loosen some of them
especially those ive took time tweaking
these will come down maybe 1-3
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it won't touch timings
aint that sound like "Memory Try it!"
LMFAO
back on 10th gen, you could manually tighten RTL/IOL
I actually enjoyed doing it cuz it lowered latency
mmm latency decrease ๐ฉ
there's one more thing i want to mention: MSI Memory Bandwidth Enhanced
for D1 you were trying to get 60/61 4/4
i wonder if it can actually push anymore bandwidth from 3000mhz
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if you had high frequency with low tCL (this is from screen shot of 4533c14), you could get lower than 60/61 4/4
insane
4533c15 on 10700KF with 59/60 4/4 lol
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Alright Naht
thank you hehe !!
that was still 2T cuz real 1N is a hecker
Real 1N is the real deal
some boards don't wanna do it I dunno
That makes me board "special"
tbh not sure
FE is usually nice looking but relatively weak on performance
I think 40xx was exception
Hmm yes
bro acknowledges their problems and still considers ๐ญ
Average ngreedai consumer
Good luck getting people to read the pins before randomly dming 
40 series FE was pretty good
1080ti FE
They're the only card company I like
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you have 3080ti FE?
They have me by a chain
No. Ftw3 ultra
Loyalty is not rewarded in this industry
Do you think I should wait for 60 series? I don't think our 3080tis are suffering enough for an upgrade
3080ti is still pretty heckin good imo
Yeah .....
12gb isn't a limitation quite yet
I gave him my money. Why won't he listen to my petitions!?
Maybe I need to throw money at him. Maybe that'll work
if 5080 was 24gb, I'd say ya for sure go for that. But it seems kinda silly to upgrade for 4 additional gb...
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5090 would be a great upgrade if it wasn't insanely expensive lol
4090 seems like kind of a silly upgrade for 3080ti
I say that
even tho I did exactly that
but lol
I agree....I will wait
Sigh...in the mean time
Traveling
I mean, what game(s) are you playing that you're not satisfied with how they play?
I can't think of a better reason to upgrade than that tbh
ARK survival ascended
like ya I want a crazy one for hwbot but better to do what I'm saying not what I do lol
12gb isn't enough or the GPU is too weak now?
Both
It dips sometimes
Below 100 FPS I can feel it
By the way are you free to play?
yuh
Okay later
just ping me when ur ready
real
infinity plays that game but i don't know if he's down for it
same with theo
id like to join but hand still borked
The game isn't going anywhere. One day, wolf
get better soon
take ur time
just setup appointment for 27th, hopefully cast removal during visit
ill finally be able to play video games again
Good
which CPU again?
Am I the only one here who's never had a major injury?
eh I've broken a few ribs & my left clavicle lol
5800x3d. 1440p
left clavicle hurt like heck
Huh. What did you do?
in Sourth Florida? you're out of your freaking mind
tried to be cool likes James Bond or something at a friend's house
except when I did my little like run & sommersalt type thing
there was a very inconveniently placed tree root
nvm let me not make anyone reading this uncomfortable lol
ultra/RTX/DLSS?
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damn I was not expecting that lol
what's your monitor refresh rate?
tbh I kinda doubt they'll add VRAM tho
Or see if I can make extra money to get a .....5090
What ram do you have?
I'm just curious
3200mhz 32gb
Dipping below 100fps on rivals is weird
Same, but we dont have a 4080
5800x3d could probably run 3800mhz but I don't think that would be a major difference
i could just bring down the settings tho
Maybe I'm exaggerating...I'll see what MSi afterburner displays
I'm thinking rivals is very cpu intensive
i have the game set mostly to 1440p ultra except shadows
ikr
I get 80 fps ish at mostly medium settings on a 13600k/2080 ti
I think rivals is just poorly optimized
Laughable
Come on, compooper
Smh
Frames win games
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hey i like pretty visuals
So do I
It has DLSS of course it's unoptimized
so true
ill probably set everything to "high" except for textures
that'll stay at ultra
isn't it UE5?
The lumen settings kill perf (shaders and reflections iirc)
yea
yfg
i we have saame cpu :0
wdym
its fixed now
im getting up to 200 fps

still can't beat overwatch's numbers
240 or riot
no more fps drops like it used ot be
to be fair rivals wanst made to run on potat
look at all the ps4 users crying
300fps on high 1440p.
their first mistake:
stop using a ps5 ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
my friend with a 1660 super can run this game at 70 fps just fine
70....
competitive title tho
Yeah
70 fps when u can only see 60 of it 
well if you're into heavy comp fps is needed here
For RPGs, 70 is fine
Do you have DLSS or TAA turned on?
iv played on my ps5 and pc, both i can frag out
i run fsr balanced
its skill issue if u suck at 60fps
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nah man it can get bad real fast if theres alot of action going on
what rank did u peak?
170-200 fps in Rivals using balanced upscaling is NOT "optimized" lmao
want to go back to before where i was getting 100fps??
they double it
it had random 30fps in season 0
they really fixed alot of their issues
all the complaints the community had
Ok so it's more optimized than before, but still bad lol
i say it runs better than 99% of other titles
UE5 slop
Ah, but you see by rendering at 60% the resolution and using upscaling that blurs in motion he gets 170!
Oh the 100 was back then
So 100 with upscaling
to 170 with upscaling
170 should be base
What gpu?

the power of upscaling bs
7700xt according to the pcpp list in bio
bro just get nvidia...

just get 50 series bro
I'm fairly sure my 13600k is degraded
I should probably benchmark it to check
Ill go do that
I'm also running 3200mhz ddr4 so I'm sure that's not helping
7700xt
Don't worry bro, my memory is slower than that
sorry i had to do stuff with dog
same but i overclcoked mines
It was oced to 3600c16 but I've had so many issues i reset cmos and never put it back
dosent help whe ni have a 240hz monitor in these games 
My cpus hitting 90c
wtf are u using for cooling 
280mm in multicore r23
mines doesnt go past 80\
Evga clc
ok i lied sometiems i get 85
s lol i hear m y mom goseping about how she needs to find me a new doctgior like i even go anymore 
Single core test and in games I get normal temps
Not going over 60c
I think i need to take another look at voltage
u run stock?
1.14v
i put a whole 360mm rad on mines
its intel, it will combusts
Mine was $60 on amazon
my mom bought mines 
Part List - Intel Core i5-13600K, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, Phanteks Eclipse P360A ATX Mid Tower
i almost bought a y40 but out of stock, so i settled for nv5
Isn't that more expensive than anything NZXT made?
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nzxt prebuilts ๐
speciy more
ngl it aint to ofar off
i foudn ore expensive
Is that your build?
Pretty optimised
Yeah
Looks like different parts from different pricing eras
Damn
Cost me the half working 3060 ti and $90
Quite a substantial upgrade
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QWRrGJ my new 2025 list
Part List - Intel Core i5-13600KF, Radeon RX 7700 XT, Phanteks NV5 ATX Mid Tower
Thats a list

Miss the desktop life
Any of you guys ran r23 on a 13600k?
I'm getting 1936 for single core
5900HX here sorry
Also apparently my bios update didn't work
What are you on now?
I'm going to go fix that
Slight. Ok
yes
my r23 is in my bio
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i have a feeling any of the 7000 apus and handheld cpus beat my system just cause ddr5 
l
My old PC had:
Ryzen 5 3600
Arctic Liquid Freezer II
MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max
2x16GB DDR4 3200 (CL16 or CL18)
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Pulse
Seasonic Focus GX-650
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB
WD Red 8TB
Seagate Ironwolf 8TB
Phanteks Enthoo Pro II
New system:
Ryzen 9 5900HX
2x16GB DDR4 3200 CL22
RTX 3070 Mobile
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB
Mostly on the cpu side
?
what ru trying to do
ol..
Really goes to show how mid my parts selection were back in the day
I'm trying to update bios
why?
Half the parts were overpriced
any problems? old microcode?
Yes
yes to which one
I'm going to some 2023 version and then to microcode
I actively am
I am in the process of updating bios
the worst part about is is ur settings get reset

A little more than slight
Cpu was major
What did you doo
GPU is somewhere between "some" improvements to substantial
Yeah
The usb isn't showing up in m-flash
I "upgraded" because it's way easier (and cheaper) to pack a laptop
Than to ship an entire enthoo pro ii with parts inside across the pacific ocean
I wonder if I'm doing this right
The needs of the one outweighs the needs of the pc
got my first tattoo booked, im so stoked lol
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old AMD cards you can change mem timings lol
I'm gonna be so mad if I could've copied & pasted this lmao
dammit I have to manually input
a corny billionaire who lies constantly acts immature at the slightest insults and lies about leaderboard rankings on a videogame? nah he would never
I don't get his cult of personality
He's the biggest man child and somehow people actually worship him
He takes credit for other people's work
And ideas that's actually his own are usually disasters
Well there is also his new gov dept called DOGE
is that an acronym

yea
Department of government excellence or something like that
But it does align with the president-elect's internet troll personality
Honestly I'm not surprised he'd make a department called doge
Supposed to be like a debloating thing for the government

sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
anyways
Gonna steer the convo back towards the uhh
Less political side
the sparkly diffusers come off fairly easily
Its goal is just to get rid of wasteful gov spending and possibly getting rid of departments deemed useless/redundant
powershell debloat script
Lockheed Martin.exe
The biggest bloat to the economy imo is the military
dude is quite literally stuck in the past
It's a massive deficit hole
They really need to redirect some of the funding to the economy
Imo a lot of it is directed at military and schools where they would spend money for the sake of keeping their budget for the next year
Because they can't prop up a military if the economy just tanks
my conclusion is elon is a crappy time traveler
Tbh its just the whole gov in general
Like they don't have to permanently cut the military budget
my stepdad called the US military weak and said hes glad trump wants to make it stronger
They can cut military and still lose a lot of money
idek at this point
They would just lose a little less
I doubt it
To be fair
The money has to be used effectively
Which is what the upcoming government is trying to do
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Time will tell if it'll be successful
cough a certain 7k jacket cough
I was going to say
Yeah I think we're steering this too far tbh
No polyticks
Yeah back to uhh
Was it the content of the voice messages or something i said
I'd say the latter
like ticking and polys
or how awful it is to change HD7970 vBIOS one hex key at a time

I had a 1GB 7850
2013 whaaa
I wish I knew what a 7980 is
Polly ticks
GCN
Wee woo wee woo
I had a HD 7850 1GB in 2018
Oh ...those
ancient crappy card go brr
lol the stock cooler on this has a broken fan blade
In 2018 it could play quite an impressive number of games
Iโll use a 1gb vram gpu
Destroys the GT 1030 too
As a display out only no gaming
I edited vBIOS already to change max GPU voltage from 1.3 to 1.4 & memory from 1.6 to 1.7
can't squeeze much more
Drivers not so much
But yeah back then you can get away with a decade old gpus
Nowadays the gap keeps growing
It's amazing how much the industry has evolved in these past 5 years
ran a little harder at least
We went from 4c/8t and the 1080ti to the 4090
if I run 1300+, it borks out & firestrike scores in the 10000s lol
Chat I got funny idea, what if they soddered like 4gb of gddr7 to motherboards for cpu to use and it lets you slot in normal ddr5 also, would require re engineering stuff but it would
Be funny
Pretty crazy
Jokes on you I still use a 4c4t cpu
And games still run like crap
AAA slop fr
It's still not updating
Slop game
Both are slop games
if you got them soldering skilllzzz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i1MUyvlzj0
Idfk anymore
But overwatch runs better
Doesnโt make up for being a bad game
So overwatch is less sloppy
Do all the parts still work at least
Just the company that runs it sucks
Lmfao sir your opinion sucks
Bad game
No listen to community
s/bad/horrible/
They are basically the same
Just rivals isnโt dead
I wonder if its the usb drive
I wonder if you soldered bigger ICs onto 3080ti to make it 24gb & ran 3090 vBIOS on it if it would work lol
What FS are you running on it?
unlikely due to different GPU IC
Fat32 iirc
just jump around shooting at each other with a healer behind you
Usbc or usb a
Unless it's a hardware issue
I haven't watched this video but 16gb 3070 can work
Usb, im using the bios flashback button now and it's still not working
Remember the 3090ti has faster vram
yeah I'd try a different flash drive if you got one
People soldered a 4090 to a 3090ti board and got more performance
eh is it in root folder?
I'm using literally one version newer, renamed to MSI.ROM
actually, most flash drives have a less than ideal sector size by default
Wdym
Shenanigans?
the BIOS has to be in the root folder of the usb drive iirc
I followed msi's tutorial on their website
and you can get a bit more perf from it by changing it
my MSI BIOS files had names like these
The names shouldn't matter
It did, that's if you're updating it in bios
Is it weird Iv never used a usb drive to update bios
Using flashback you have to name it for MSI bios
ohhh
Never tried it with how horrible it is
I know Gigabyte & Asus do that iirc
Have you tried updating it through bios
oh and
Instead of using flashback
I don't like the idea of software being able to flash BIOS... think about malware
yes
I don't like the idea of software tweaking my hardware unless it's a script that only I could access
Exactly
I dont like the security implications of it
I'm fine with it if it's a simple script like auto-cpufreq
imagine setting GPU/mem offset in BIOS
Or ryzen controller on windows
Does your bios have a option to update through the bios it self off a internal drive
specifically of software having access to bios flash
isn't it called like MSI EZFlash or something?
my BIOS can update through any connected drive
inc HDDs
Rootkits
That's why I don't play certain games
This is a function that IMO should require getting into the BIOS settings
btw
or flashback button
If it doesn't work this time I'm just rolling with old bios
Bc I've tried everything
best plug-in since uBlockOrigin
Revanced has sponsorblock preinstalled
very much so
& now a segue to our... nope
And its not working
Raid shadow-
Why is the bios flashback button lit up red no matter what
Whether I have anything plugged in or not
It flashes 7 times every time and then stops
Which is the code for a failed flash
nope.avi
try it again with the original BIOS name?
which motherboard?
Sell cpu go 12tb gen kek
DDR4 or 5 version?
I think I saw 5 green segments in a ltt video
Best to just not watch at all
Sometimes the sponsorblock entries arent that good
LinusSponsorTips
Like it will just abruptly cut or cut too late
Tell me why bios doesn't recognize the ssd i have windows on
You're gonna appreciate this. Name the file specifically to this
MSI.ROM
That's what he did
It should work, fat32
Bad
Baca has skill issue??
Msi YouTube says MSI.ROM but I'll try it
I always get it wrong
But then I change that then it works
It's failing reading it
Imagine if it's that stupid
you renamed the .1k0 file not the .txt file right? lol
$200+ msrp motherboard and it's case sensitive

Yeah
did not happen to me
It is
I had the issue when I first built the pc
They all are
Of not naming the bios right
maybe leave it like that & try to use EZFlash in BIOS?
i just flashed it with whatever name it had, put it on usb and then ez flash or whatever they call it
yea that
MSI.rom didn't work either
i did not renamed ANYTHING
What if you needed flashback
reboot straight to BIOS (elevated CMD): shutdown /r /fw /t 0
For whatever reason
Stick is fat32?
Yes
flashback button is probably the only one that needs the rename
That file is the only file on the stick?
since you're all the way back on 2022 BIOS, maybe pick one between latest & yours & flash that first
msi.romania
I'm trying a 2023 January file
I was trying October 2023 but tried older once it didn't work
sometimes it wants you to update Intel Management Engine in Windows before BIOS update
why not latest bios?
I'm on October 2022
not that I ever bothered to but
There isn't sooner
Well one way or another I know it's specifically a file name error
Try msi.rom
LOL
Would be funny if that worked
are you changing the extension name too
How do
when you try here it says it's not a valid file or something?
File doesn't show up
oh what the heck
do any other drives show up?
Yeah
have you tried formatting that drive?
try saving it on root of another drive? lol
Yes
actually root doesn't really matter if you're not using the button on the back no?
I can try
bro is trying to justify it
ok
WHAT C OULD GO WRONG
ME is updating
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Bacca updated
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BACCA IS UPDATING
inb4 jinxes it
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Please
what does a former employee know anyways?
its not like they got access to that info
Ok let me yell at file explorer for a second
extendo
I prefer managed switches
Why THE HELL is it when you rename a file and change letters to uppercase it changes it back to lower case instead of saving
Same vice versa
Stupid as hell
bruh
Windows moment
wait wait
do you have "view file extensions" enabled in explorer?
cuz renaming it, might not change the file type otherwise
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i.e., if you renamed boot2bios.txt to boot2bios.bat, explorer would have it named boot2bios.bat.txt

Yeah i do
ah okay heck
so it says .rom file & asked you if you wanted to change file type & all that ig heck
I don't blame bacca for hating this
It is genuinely an annoying part of msi's bios update button
Lol
Poor bacca
I've had so many issues with this too
It is definitely just not seeing the filename it wants tho
on top of what? lol
Can you do m flash like what's the whole story here
Maybe this specific motherboard is annoying
Reset my ram oc, disabled e cores, checked ssds, undervolted, idk what else
The freq boards
for reference or memory?
I tried m flash and it doesn't even show the bios file on the flash drive
Whether it's named or not
Tf
Are you sure this is fat32
If even mflash can't see it
Have you unzipped it on the ssd
If it doesn't work after this I'd be wondering if maybe msi uploaded the wrong bios
oh my god
Whats hilarious
does anyone uhh
My current bios version isn't on msis website
Does anyone know how to use tftp
They took it down
Yeah they remove old versions all the time
Theres versions older than mine on there
Ye but revisions stay
Yep not working
On top of msi bios being completely unnavigatable
Never touching an msi mobo again
MSI fell off after b450 tbh
Only reason I have it is it was cheap on amazon warehouse
Asrock and Gigabyte are making better stuff
Is your motherboard the Z690 Pro-A DDR4?
OH GREAT
I think it's a bit of a valid take tho, their bios software is ridiculous
I used to slam gigabyte for dogwater bios on low end boards
Gigabyte seems to be decent-good these days
Asrock
should've been like this
Asrock is the answer
Are gigabyte bottom barrel boards still crap?
You don't need the txt file
ik but it doesn't do anything so i just leave it there
Wait what why does it say ntfs
Now I have to redo all my undervolt settings
it still works
I'm going to die

what abt it
i legit flashed my bios on an ntfs flash drive
Why is even msi's own instructions all over the place
Wtf happened
The one youtube vid WORKED
Why is it so overcomplicated now
Why does bios show my ram at 2666mhz but windows shows 3200mhz
What the hell is going on with this computer
wait wait how is this overcomplicated wtf is going on? XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2666 is probably the JEDEC profile
You're showing me like, tutorial #5
For flashing bios
It showed it at 3200mhz before
BIOS bug then probably
also for the flash drive, do NOT use it on port labeled for flashing, just use it anywhere else (Front panel)
thank you discord for not supporting av1
Why do computers not work the way they're supposed to
He can't have a bios bug if he never even flashed
WTF

seriously, after i flashed my bios to support my 13600k i have no need for the flash port anymore
Compooper doing exactly the opposite to what I do
(that thing near flash button)
one of the points of flashing is to fix bugs like this, so idk what you mean
i re encoded the video tfile to h264 from av1 and the file size doubled kek
i mean, MSI's mascot is a dragon sooooooo
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@rancid juniper its time
AMD also likes dragons
The only video worth doing: https://youtu.be/sKMub20CUNI?si=3NuWpTakvKHGOvta
In this demonstration, we'll show you how to update BIOS using M-FLASH ?
I rely on a different vid wtf
https://youtu.be/iTkXunUAriE?si=Gewf1xGj9tPvsToZ
In this demonstration, weโll show you how to use Flash BIOS Button with MSI motherboard.
no not that one hehe
EZ flash is the way to go
This is the one that works for me with the button

Jank
The worst part is idk who to talk to about this cos you're either some guy from msi who likes their aios and know next to nothing or you're a bios team member and you never speak in the open
z790 jank xtreme
Me and gary had massive problems with the u-x and had no one speaking up

We had to work things out ourselves
Hi bored
LOL
Man when is the new gamesir coming outโฆ
They said it would be a spring launch
I really want a controller with a crap ton of extra buttons
why does htis ram look so cool
Because you're weird

Are they any good?
For third party controllers not many are consistent when it comes to quality and gamesir is one of the few
cop dual sennse
Plus most of them are officially xbox licensed
yeah I usually go with used first party controllers
It'd be nice to get something good from a third party
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the paddles are nice
i prefer controler for aaa single player
Depends on the game for me
if i play anything remotly competitve i use keeb
Stuff like lego star wars and telltale games imo work better on controllers
True, for hack and slash games, controller is better
Or emulators
wtf is that
Something like devil may cry
the second u load fortntie or cod im swaping to keeb
It's a game about devils with emotional problems
And a man who loves pizza
my last three games played says alot
And a lawn chair
LMAO
Anyways most third party controllers typically come with one or two caveats some might be feature rich and great overall quality but then suffer from stick latency flydigi vader 4 pro is a good example but its apparently been serviced thru firmware updates, some are just right in technical departments almost perfect even but may not be as feature rich like most gamesirs
I've been wanting a decent xbox controller for a while
Are they lightweight?
They came out with a new cyclone 2 controller and its been well received but its only got two back paddles
ooo
Never used paddles lmao so I wouldn't be missing out on much
Ofc, unless there's something better for the price
Paddles and extra buttons can be pretty nice to have
Are they like macros?
i saw these got good reviews
Use fakespot
i have two dual sense controllers, i highly recommend
i never use my xbox controller
You gotta remap them to the buttons alr present in a typical gamepad thru their respective app unless it supports steam input where u can do macros i believe
ah
my biggest gripe with xbox is the batterys
Gamesir did show this controller at ces recently and iโm looking forward to it cuz tmr anti drift sticks and 2 extra shoulder buttons and two back paddles




