general-chat

[elfin mural]

[dusk knot]

Repo men

[elfin mural]

wait, it's a sub for extra ai stuff on the phones

misleading title smh

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/2YGm7aQRGds?si=KbE4rqtud04LwRrV

[safe cape]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P3_NbepHYiE

[dusk knot]

Interesting

What a unusual way to add depth

[rough zinc]

That sticker is back?

[opaque sedge]

@dusk knot steak bites out of leftover picanha trimmings

[dusk knot]

Mmmmm

😋

[craggy shoal]

ngl idc for steak

Honestly my least favorite food

I'm not even vegan. It's just an annoying meat

get angry idc

[dusk knot]

They mentioned "AI" 202 times at the Nvidia keynote lol

[opaque sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-make-me-do-it-wentworth-ill-do-it-ill-kill-you-dont-make-me-kill-you-gif-22890308

[proud jackal]

@rigid sinew when are Asus rog astral 5090 preorders

[rough zinc]

What exactly makes a meat annoying?

[mortal grail]

Would have to be rent to own or it would be blocked in many western countries

[craggy shoal]

Just steak. Everything else is fine

[mortal grail]

Wtf I am in complete agreement with this

[craggy shoal]

YO?

[mortal grail]

That was a weird thing to have in common lmao

[craggy shoal]

Did I finally find another steak hater?

Bruh it's never tender enough. It's always tough and chewy

[mortal grail]

Since I was like 9 years old cos they were always difficult to eat

YES

WTF

[craggy shoal]

LMAO YEAHH

[icy ore]

Dang. I love some steak. If it’s done right

[mortal grail]

WEIRD ASS COMMON TRAIT

[icy ore]

If you get a cheap crap ass steak ya it sucks

[mortal grail]

HOWEVER

However

[mortal grail]

If it's done right

[icy ore]

Basically meat gum

[mortal grail]

I kinda agree

I don't hate it when it's a properly good cut

[icy ore]

ya for sure

[mortal grail]

Would I opt for it? No

But I won't hate it

But typically yeah I really don't appreciate steak

Haven't since I was really young

[craggy shoal]

Idk I’ve had wagyu a couples times and I still don't like it. Same thing as he other steaks

[icy ore]

A well marbled steak with salt pepper garlic powder, medium rare, really good crust. That’s how I like it

[mortal grail]

Wagyu has different grades

Also the way it's cooked makes a huge difference

[craggy shoal]

Just an overpriced slab of meat that's difficult to eat for no reason (not just wagyu too)

[icy ore]

I don’t buy steak from restaurants cos it typically sucks, I make my own

Agreed

[mortal grail]

I will admit to complexity of steak but overall not a fan lol

[icy ore]

Sous vide and then a good sear

[mortal grail]

But that said I like steak now that I'm older in other dishes like curry

Really like that

Slow cooked it goes soft and really nice

[icy ore]

Ooof I will mess some curry up

[mortal grail]

I didn't used to like that

[icy ore]

I actually had hot pot for the first time yesterday and boy oh boy

[mortal grail]

Haha

I love hot pot

I'll do a lot of asian meals without really thinking twice as long as it's not too exotic lol

[icy ore]

Yeah there were a few things I just couldn’t get down with that we got but for the most part I loved it

I am an avid cabbage lover

I have el stink pootie

But love it

I cannot with lotus root

Can’t even look at it. Trypophobia. Makes me sick

[sage sluice]

This conversation feels a bit braindead lmao

I suppose

I doubt youd be making a bad decision grabbing the 7500f now tho

A lot of deals have gone away 😔

Well thats fair

But idk how that impacts the value of the chip other than like subpar warranty if anything

Im not saying you should buy it lmao

Its just a good cheaper option for am5

That was the point of the conversation i had with them and they started acting like i said voldemort

Thats what i was saying 😔

Lol

3 pizzas for me at little caesars

[mortal grail]

Yesn't

You need D5 to make that comparable but not better lol

OC makes it better

[sage sluice]

I dont know enough about intels chip in comparison to argue

Lol

Although i do know id rather have am5 platform

[mortal grail]

15*

It's actually quite big

Much bigger in workstation

Ya

Ya

If you hyper focus on like

Certain fps games

It's very close

Some games prefer latency > bandwidth

[sage sluice]

Overclock the ddr5

[mortal grail]

But overall it's more like generally D5 is better by a bit

Also you can get really affordable hynix anyway

So stocking on D4 is a bit of a path less trodden

But ye there's a bit of a gap

Also 7000 series had the bump recently from driver improvements over the whole 9000 series "No performance gains" stuff

[sage sluice]

So felix back to what started this ong, is 133 a bad price for a 6 core 7000 series cpu?

[mortal grail]

So ye 12th gen is comparable to 7000 series

[mortal grail]

Whoever you were talking to was a nonce

7500F is a good pick

[mortal grail]

And picking any 7500F off ali with no vetted seller is toxic

[sage sluice]

This was on the amd server 😭

[mortal grail]

So the $117 one is a meme

Hey if they can vet a $117 one then fine

I prefer to stick with trusted sources

[mortal grail]

Amd is also redpilled af

I got a threat from a mod there after a week for nvidia bias

Me of all people

Very true

[sage sluice]

If i can trust a seller on ali i have no shame buying off there

Im not against going through different options

Thats on them tho

They were saying intel better

[mortal grail]

It's their call tbh, but I don't see that as a bad thing

[sage sluice]

"14900 has better single core perf!!!" (133 dollar cpu versus $500)

[mortal grail]

Wtf

Dram not vram

Wtf

Bruh PoE2 uses less than 3GB

Let them math that one out

Neither

I thought the nvidia ones were bad until I went to the amd one

[sage sluice]

I only joined the server for sweepstakes stuff lol

[mortal grail]

Amd servers are more insular than anywhere else

[sage sluice]

I just happened to see them yapping and joined in

[mortal grail]

But that's not even windows

I'd believe 5gb vram if they had like 5 4K monitors

Lmfaooo

[sage sluice]

Waiting for bios to take 7 gigs of vram

🙏

[frigid stag]

I think they were trying to justify having a 24gb gpu

Vram is a rlly hot topic there

[sage sluice]

The only justification for a 24gb gpu is.. if you want one lol i guess

[frigid stag]

That’s like the only conversation I saw there

[rancid juniper]

happy birthday old man

[sage sluice]

Or plan on playing in super high high res

[sage sluice]

Aye thank ya 🙏

My bones are creaking now

[rancid juniper]

lol

[sage sluice]

Unc status fulfilled

[mortal grail]

How is it the amd server is more vrampilled than nvidia

Wtf

[gilded kraken]

well 10 gigs is starting to struggle at 1440p on my 3080. I dono about 12

16 deffinately fine

Nah, things like Stalker 2 run out of vram

Im capped out

[sage sluice]

12 is fine, not what you want but usable

[mortal grail]

It really depends how you use it

[gilded kraken]

runs great on my system as long as I respect my vram cap

[mortal grail]

Unusable isn't "ultra" if that makes sense

[rancid juniper]

GTX 1070 was 8GB in 2016

[mortal grail]

If you can run it with lower settings then you're fine

[rancid juniper]

9 years later and we may still get an 8GB nvidia gpu again

lol

[mortal grail]

Yo 1080 ti in the building

YO YO YO

[sage sluice]

Ultra settings are what i like to call "✨waste of frames✨"

[mortal grail]

PASCAL ON THA FL

[sage sluice]

Just use high

[mortal grail]

Oh

Damn

The more boring 11gb

Smh

Based

[sage sluice]

Arent there only like 4 gpus with 24gb vram lol

[mortal grail]

There's actually hundreds

[sage sluice]

Oh i meant gaming

Mb

[fresh timber]

I haven’t had any issues with 12gb on my 7700xt

[mortal grail]

Specifically gaming, ye 5 iirc

3090/TI, XTX, 4090, 5090

[sage sluice]

5? 3090, 3090 ti, 4090, xtx and what?

What 5090 is 32

[rancid juniper]

ya

[sage sluice]

Why is vram such a sacred resource 😭

[rancid juniper]

money

[mortal grail]

Oh only 24, thought you meant more than

[sage sluice]

So true

[sage sluice]

All good

32 is practically 24 rn anyways until it can get utilized

[cedar compass]

[mortal grail]

24gb will be utilised in 2031

[sage sluice]

So true

Unless unreal engine 6 releases sooner

Then itll be outdated instantly

[fresh timber]

I bet I could use it all easily

Stable diffusion 😃

People are going to hate me, but I think that game looks good

[mortal grail]

Unreal engine 6 otw to increase polygons from 6000 to 6 million:

[sage sluice]

No returns imo

Because for what you get in visuals you lose in visuals

Aka frame rate

[fresh timber]

Yall complaining over more vram while the other side of the market is happy asf

[mortal grail]

I think UE4 games look better at times

Good art direction >>>> good engine

[sage sluice]

Im literally not even complaining about vram

[fresh timber]

Ue5 best engine

[sage sluice]

Just talking about bad opti

Okay now we're telling lies

[craggy shoal]

You buy a X090 if you're doing AI and maybe some gaming. Is it worth it for that? Depends on what you're doing but you'll probably drop the hobby if you don't understand it. So probably not worth it

[sage sluice]

Tbf you dont need to do ai to get a 4090

Or any high end card

[craggy shoal]

This too

[mortal grail]

If you make a career out of ai yes

[sage sluice]

Just because a card can do something doesnt mean everyones interested in those features

[fresh timber]

People who do it for fun buy used 3090s and stuff

4090 for more speed

5090 cause they rich and want it

[sage sluice]

I could technically do some ai stuff with my gre

But like

[fresh timber]

You don’t need a 5090. That’s the thing, you want it

[sage sluice]

Why

Lmao

[fresh timber]

It’d AMD that’s why you don’t do it

Waste of time

[mortal grail]

Wot

[sage sluice]

Wot

[craggy shoal]

Exactly. So put an NPU on a non-gaming card and call it a day. $2000 because it has more than double of what people currently have and calling it an AI processor is what makes people upset

[fresh timber]

Amd poo compared to Nvidia ai

[fresh timber]

The npu goes in the cpu

[sage sluice]

Depends entirely on the programs?

[mortal grail]

Oh

Yeah amd poop

[sage sluice]

I thought

[fresh timber]

Your at the will of rocm

And rocm isn’t that good

[craggy shoal]

Nvidia should start making NPUs and put them in CPUs

[fresh timber]

Why? They make gpus just for ai

And their faster

[sage sluice]

If i sell my organs but say they have artificial intelligence will i make millions?

[craggy shoal]

Their entry-level GPUs cost as much as top-end GPUs a decade ago 💀

[fresh timber]

Did you account for inflation too

[craggy shoal]

Yeah

[sage sluice]

Inflation is not that wild dawg LMAO

[fresh timber]

Tariffs and such too?

[craggy shoal]

Nah

[mortal grail]

Rob musk of his neural processors and jam them between ur intestines before you sell them

[sage sluice]

Tariffs literally havent even hit

[fresh timber]

Their has been more than the trump ones before

[sage sluice]

Ofc

Not to this degree

[fresh timber]

Just saying you should take into account every detail, the. Blame greedy company’s lmfao

[sage sluice]

1080 was like 500 if i rememeber right?

[mortal grail]

I can't comment

I was on xbox

💀

[fresh timber]

Nvidia doesn’t have to sell gaming cards at all, they couldn’t care

[fresh timber]

I was ps4

[sage sluice]

Same tho

And ps3

I rocked both

[mortal grail]

1080ti was 8 tho and like $700

But the reality was much worse

[fresh timber]

Let’s be honest, how many need a gpu more than $500

[mortal grail]

Cos shortages

[sage sluice]

7900 gre is my second computer, right after a oh so powerful uhd 620

[mortal grail]

No one cos geforce now will rule the world

[fresh timber]

I used to ruleee the world

[sage sluice]

How many people really need a gpu at all? We can all become farmers

[mortal grail]

SIEZE THE WILDS WHEN I GAVE THE WORD

AND THE MORNING I SIEZE-

[fresh timber]

You only need a gpu if it makes you money

[sage sluice]

You dont need it tho

[mortal grail]

I have never googled the lyrics

[fresh timber]

If your gaming you don’t need anything

[sage sluice]

Just it would help

[craggy shoal]

A GTX 1060 6GB (best value GPU at the time) MSRP'd at $249-299

[fresh timber]

Time is money so you do need it

The faster your gpu completes your task the better

[sage sluice]

But there are other fields too ong

Like, the corn fields

[fresh timber]

Video editors use gaming cards kek

[fresh timber]

They use ai in those now

So you need special gpus

[mortal grail]

If you think about it

[sage sluice]

You dont have to tho

[mortal grail]

Enough free optiplexes would do anything

[fresh timber]

Power usage

They will use too much for how fast they are

[mortal grail]

Plug them in at the library

[ancient swift]

https://youtu.be/XCbAa83KcC8?si=EAL6Rs98JcW_auln Early usage

[fresh timber]

Why..

[sage sluice]

Id still use one of those to this day if i couldnt use my gre tbh

[mortal grail]

I pay taxes I deserve my share

[sage sluice]

People act like cards die out in a year

[fresh timber]

They can trespass you kek

[mortal grail]

I'll use all the library's budget

[mortal grail]

Nuh uh i have a reverse card

[sage sluice]

Which is what tech companies honestly want you to think tbh

[fresh timber]

The sheriff will carry you out

[fresh timber]

Ok your trolling

[mortal grail]

Bruh ofc I was

[fresh timber]

They know we will pay for it

[mortal grail]

I was never serious lol

[sage sluice]

We were trolling the whole time lmao

I was talking about corn fields

[mortal grail]

Anyway

[sage sluice]

💀

[fresh timber]

Something they use AI in..

[mortal grail]

Rice cookers

[sage sluice]

😱

[fresh timber]

Farmers use ai enabled lasers to kill weeds with out chemicals

[sage sluice]

Im gonna use ai in your moms colonoscopy

[fresh timber]

What’s stopping them from training Ai to do that..

[mortal grail]

Ai rice cookers are real btw

They are normal rice cookers with ai stickers

[fresh timber]

Tbh I could see Ai assisting doctors in pointing out things humans might not see

[sage sluice]

Ai would be a great tool for the medical field if it was competent

[paper verge]

That's old this the new meta

[sage sluice]

I know it is to some degree

[paper verge]

https://www.cnet.com/home/yard-and-outdoors/would-you-put-your-ribeye-in-a-toaster-the-makers-of-the-new-perfecta-grill-think-you-should/

[fresh timber]

Specialized ai is competent

Stuff like chat gpt is too broad

[sage sluice]

Read my second message

[fresh timber]

I did after I typed my message

[sage sluice]

Just buy a gigabyte psu

[paper verge]

Like wth does sizzling even mean, it can mean its burnt, or it has crust and undercooked people nowadays smh

[craggy shoal]

This could've been sent as a cropped image instead of a video

[fresh timber]

And?

The music makes it better

Nerd

[craggy shoal]

ya motha

[paper verge]

Real

[fresh timber]

Yo motha is a nice lady

She maked me a pie

[paper verge]

How tf do you have 18 hours on roblox....

[sage sluice]

Thats the main quest for sure

[fresh timber]

It used to be 48 hours

[sage sluice]

Leaving stuff on in the background

[fresh timber]

It’s in the foreground

[paper verge]

Isn't roblox web only tho

[sage sluice]

No it isnt

[fresh timber]

It’s an app

[worn wave]

Don't forget inflation though. 250-300 in 2016 is 330-400 today. I do think nvidia has been giving the middle finger to the lowend recently but inflation makes it look worse

[mortal grail]

Did you go back in time

[fresh timber]

The server disconnected so it rejoined it self

[sage sluice]

I had to use an inflation calculator to check that, thats insane

[sweet phoenix]

im pretty sure that only takes into account the actual inflation of the USD instead of the cost of living and other expenses that have gone up (i do not know much about economy i could be completely wrong)

[tranquil pebble]

idk I find it to excel at generating nonsense

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[fresh timber]

Bye bye poopy hand held

+$550 in my pocket

What do I do with $550

[nocturne flicker]

Save it for the upcoming chaos

[sage sluice]

pocket it

maybe invest it

idk

buy a steamdeck maybe

if you want another handheld

[fresh timber]

If I buy another I’m buying legion go 2

[sinful blade]

Buy intel gpu

[fresh timber]

Overhead problem

It would be in my machine that’s exclusively 1080p

[sinful blade]

Buy some efficient storage drives

Start a server

Buy a 3d printer

Don’t buy drugs

[dusk knot]

@fresh timber was it you who wanted to count how many times they said AI at the Nvidia key note?

[gilded kraken]

Im guessing 138 times

[icy ore]

[fresh timber]

I have server

[craggy shoal]

oh nah

[fresh timber]

I think I have the count

[dusk knot]

It was 202 times

[gilded kraken]

lmao dang

[lone mango]

Put half in visa stocks and half in waste management stocks

[fresh timber]

Mhhh

I had to sell new egg

New egg sucks

@ceo fix your company

[dusk knot]

Ha

[fresh timber]

Seriously, Intel is doing better

[icy ore]

Womp womp

[pliant berry]

Are they though

[sweet phoenix]

Intel went through it in 2024

They have a lot to gain now at least lmao

I've been looking at intc, lcid, rivn, nvidia, and qqq for once I'm working again

[lone mango]

oracle seems good too

im telling yall bruh waste management is underrated

[pliant berry]

They do have a lot to gain but considering how much they have lost

[lone mango]

Yeah I think its over for intel stocks

[velvet summit]

"doing better"

[fresh timber]

trheir stock has went up

so yes, they are doing better

i bought at less than $19

[velvet summit]

idk, they have not really gone up
they went up a little then went back down lmao

[fresh timber]

new egg is on a constant dowwards spiral

intel, i bought for $16 a share and its went up and down but never dropped below 16

[velvet summit]

it's also a completely different scale though? newegg market cap is in the millions, intel market cap is in the billions lmao

[fresh timber]

give it a year or two

[fresh timber]

it doesnt matter when it comes to how much money i make

couldnt care less

all i care about is how much each company makes me

[mortal grail]

Been reading on reflex 2

Another huge latency cut which can offset dlss 4

Which is...

Having me a mega think tbh lol

Coming to previous architectures so still not interested in the 5090

But maybe FG on the 4090 finally won't feel like ass?

And the new modelling helping with the bad artifacting on top

[fresh timber]

@mortal grail do u know why 30 and 20 seires cant use the newer dlss?

[mortal grail]

No part of the arch to support actual frame gen

Or at least, acceptably

[fresh timber]

do u need framegen for the upscailing?

it seems like its just a toggle

[mortal grail]

It looks like the models are supported but not fg

For older gens

[fresh timber]

so their only excuse is money

[mortal grail]

Not really

If it's not built into the arch to support the process then it won't run well

Think of like the 1080Ti trying to run DX12 features

It's there but...oof

[fresh timber]

1080ti

[mortal grail]

Ye

[fresh timber]

lol

[mortal grail]

It has RT but software based

[nocturne flicker]

Always has been. They have to double their stock value somehow or eventually they will be removed from Nasdaq

[fresh timber]

cant it run fsr

[mortal grail]

It can

Dlss is not the same

[fresh timber]

yeah

atleast it has fsr

[mortal grail]

But therein is your answer

Use fsr lol

[fresh timber]

so what im getting at dlss 4.0 cant run on 30 series cause the ai stuff isnt too good

[mortal grail]

Or xess fg

[fresh timber]

or is it just frame gen that isnt good

[mortal grail]

(Can't remember if xess fg is universal)

[mortal grail]

Ye

Same reason 40 series can't do the faster frame gen

[nocturne flicker]

I was there when Newegg went on the Nasdaq and I'll be here when they get booted

[mortal grail]

NAS

DAC

[fresh timber]

great thing amd frame gen can

[fresh timber]

stock too bad

NOOO CORSAIRS DOING BETTER

the poop company NOO

[nocturne flicker]

Of course they would be. They set the primary margin they get from their own goods. Newegg is an online retailer

Unless you are Amazon or Ebay, online retailers generally don't do too hot with regards to how much money they make comparatively

[mortal grail]

Ok I looked it up

@fresh timber @worn wave the reason for 50 series faster fg is new tensor cores

So whoever said switch was wrong

[fresh timber]

o

i still want the 5070

[mortal grail]

There's a process of frame pace logic flipping, but no switch

So yeah the reason for fg lockout is tensor gen

[worn wave]

So there's no additional hardware/chip? Coulda sworn I heard something about a chip being needed for timing

[fresh timber]

5070 my beloved

[mortal grail]

I read their debrief, nothing about a switch

[worn wave]

Huh

[mortal grail]

I could still be wrong

[fresh timber]

dlss is more than just software, its software and hardware combined while fsr seems like mostly software

[mortal grail]

The new tensor core is "2.5x faster than the older generation"

Which kinda makes it all for itself tbh

[nocturne flicker]

If GPU need DLSS for good perf, bad gpu

[mortal grail]

Along with the new transformer model being "40% better"

Which is nearly 3x

Which, the new fg is up to 3 frames

So checks out

[worn wave]

Yeah I'm excited to try this, glad it's coming to 30/40 series as well

[mortal grail]

Vs the older 1 frame

[fresh timber]

i just wanna run 1440p 240fps 😭

7700xt dont like doing it

[nocturne flicker]

1080p gaming with 6950xt go brrrr

[mortal grail]

I agree but between dlss 4 and reflex 2 sounding like actual improvements, I'm more keen about the software this gen than any of the gpus

[fresh timber]

i wanna buy a 3rd 1440p display to stack ontop of my monitor to have 4 display outs on my pc

another 1440p 240hz

[mortal grail]

Why do you need 3

Also beware

Your gpu will have a total bandwidth limit

So if you have too many fast displays it may block an extra one for too much bandwidth

[fresh timber]

i alr have two monitors and one tv

[fresh timber]

build gpus better companys

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LfzXsY/asrock-pg27qft1b-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-pg27qft1b mhhhhhhhhhhh when tf they get so cheap

[mortal grail]

Gpus have physical ports but also in software they have virtual ports

They will dedicate more virtual ports in certain situations

[fresh timber]

kek i run 1440p 240hz, 1080p 165hz and 1080p 60hz right now

[mortal grail]

You'll fit 4 ig

[fresh timber]

u think i can run another 1440p 120hz+

[mortal grail]

The 4K 240hz and G9's are funny, they now opt for 2 display cables lately

[nocturne flicker]

What are you using 4 monitors for?

[fresh timber]

i ran out of space

[nocturne flicker]

...?

[fresh timber]

u know

windows open

ran out of space

[nocturne flicker]

Delete some windows

[fresh timber]

they would be too useful would it

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-computer-trash-bin-erase-delete-elderly-gif-17041770

[nocturne flicker]

Yes

Reject PC

Return to book

Be bored

[proud jackal]

Delete system 32

[fresh timber]

i think im out of space 🤔

[nocturne flicker]

Finally read those books you said you were going to read before putting them on a bookshelf to collect dust

Weak storage

[fresh timber]

i need to replace my 512gb nvmes one day smh

two 2tb would be nice raid 0 then for like 12GBps

[nocturne flicker]

2tb weak, become data hoarder like me

[fresh timber]

dont worry, im plannign for a few 12tb hdds for my server lets pray it can keep up, i plan raid 5

rfip

if i get this mf job ill pay for a large google drive or something to backup my poop weekly and ill go raid 0

[nocturne flicker]

I'm too pepeg for a server, I just made a media PC and connected it to my normal PC via ethernet and brute forced the connection to work

[fresh timber]

kek

i only put hdds in my servre

ill never put an hdd in my desktop

[nocturne flicker]

I have a 2tb hdd in my daily and an 8tb in my media PC

Slowly filling it up with acquired material, I'll get around to digitizing my physical media one day

[fresh timber]

get two 12tb recertified drives and raid 1 them

[dusk knot]

is ddr5 even worth in business PC?

[mortal grail]

What's the biz

[nocturne flicker]

I buy when I have need to nowadays, I don't have mones to throw at stuff like this anymore

One day though

I shall go to 1440p and waste plenty of money on storage again

I'm going to finally make progress on my CC debt this month.

[dusk knot]

One sec..I'm going to talk to my uncle. He wants me to build a PC

[fresh timber]

what shis budget

[hoary zodiac]

DDR5 is pretty reasonable priced... But DDR4 is dirt cheap

[dusk knot]

@mortal grail just PC that can handle a bunch of tabs and applications for multiple clients. Nothing involving rendering.

[hoary zodiac]

"tabs and applications"

Browser tabs?

You can use a core 2 quad with that

[dusk knot]

I'm making a list rn....

[mortal grail]

What boeing said

[hoary zodiac]

Used optiplex would be way better than building

[mortal grail]

Or a snapdragon laptop

Wait

Raincheck on that

He mightn't understand windows for arm

Lol

[hoary zodiac]

Gamer coffee

[hoary zodiac]

You can get 8th gen laptops for dirt cheap

Cheap 4c/8t

[fresh timber]

so like 32gb ram in a optiplex

[hoary zodiac]

You don't need 32gb of ram to run browser tabs

[fresh timber]

i woudlnt do that for business, i hear alot of buissness related applications dont play well with arm yet

[mortal grail]

Depends how ridiculous it is

[fresh timber]

its cheap, might as well

[hoary zodiac]

There is also no need

[fresh timber]

its cheap

[mortal grail]

Despite android?

[hoary zodiac]

It's more workflow issues

[fresh timber]

what does windows applications have to do with android?

[hoary zodiac]

If he needs specific tools he's used to on windows x86

[fresh timber]

some dont like windows arm

[hoary zodiac]

It's better to just get windows x86

[dusk knot]

i'll put in 32 just in case

[hoary zodiac]

Do you really need 32GB?

[mortal grail]

Often a lot of businesses use mobile apps now so there'd be some level of idea there no?

[hoary zodiac]

Just get an optiplex with 8GB ram and then get another stick

We're talking web browsers here

[dusk knot]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr5-6400/p/N82E16820374358 why is this only $110?

[hoary zodiac]

are you actually getting ddr5

[mortal grail]

You won't need ddr5 for web browsing

Stahp

[hoary zodiac]

JP

You are wasting money

[mortal grail]

Boeing is actually giving proper advice rn lol

[dusk knot]

time to be a kenzie and go with it anyways

[fresh timber]

[dusk knot]

😏

[fresh timber]

if my company is paying for it id go overkill too

[mortal grail]

Go pick an optiplex goofus

[hoary zodiac]

Is it time for the techie disclaimer

💀

[fresh timber]

he might want something with a warranty and such if its for bunissnes

[hoary zodiac]

Warranty?

[fresh timber]

it came to my mind

[hoary zodiac]

What do you mean warranty

It's a sub-$100 machine

[dusk knot]

no can do. my uncle wants a custom PC

[fresh timber]

companys like warrantys

[hoary zodiac]

That's probably never going to break

[mortal grail]

Get the cashier to write a fake price on the receipt and pocket the extra (don't this is fraud but some places do this)

[fresh timber]

maybe hes gaming on the side 🤔

[dusk knot]

PCPP removed ddr4 😤

[hoary zodiac]

List all of his use cases

[hoary zodiac]

You have a ddr5 motherboard

[fresh timber]

no they didnt

[mortal grail]

That still makes it even less sensible to go ddr5

[mortal grail]

No you picked a ddr5 mobo

Then ddr4 disappeared

[fresh timber]

sometimes people just want something, even if they dont need it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mortal grail]

[hoary zodiac]

Me and felix are in sync rn

[dusk knot]

i just noticed that lmao

[hoary zodiac]

Please stop

[dusk knot]

😆

[fresh timber]

same reason peopel buy sports cars they dont need it, they want it

[craggy shoal]

then I absolutely don't need another server

[mortal grail]

Doesn't mean you should throw money at the wrong upgrades

[craggy shoal]

Nah I need that fr

[fresh timber]

i dont think either of us need servers

[hoary zodiac]

You're really not helping with the recommendations

[craggy shoal]

Nah I need another one bro trust

[mortal grail]

JP

What's the budget

[fresh timber]

im just poinitng out that his uncle prob just wants it doesnt need it

[hoary zodiac]

It's fine to have an opinion but it's other people's money

[craggy shoal]

I need another server so I can throw a bunch of memory into it and host like 43876291479382 Minecraft servers

[fresh timber]

uncle said he wanted custom pc, its his money

[hoary zodiac]

This is where I draw the line

[mortal grail]

@dusk knot what's the budget

[hoary zodiac]

You do not have enough information

[dusk knot]

there is no budget

[fresh timber]

i seen, i wants custom pc for web browsing and such, doesnt mean he needs it for that, but he wants it

[mortal grail]

So he just wants something to look at ok

That's ez

[dusk knot]

that works great to

[hoary zodiac]

Haswell?

Is used fine?

[dusk knot]

but nothing overkill

[fresh timber]

and seeing theirs no budget, i think he just wants it

[craggy shoal]

"No budget" and "it's my uncle" screams $1K "gaming" PC

lol

(the modern economy)

[hoary zodiac]

JP

[fresh timber]

my intuition was right

[hoary zodiac]

What does he use the pc for besides from work

[dusk knot]

just work and browsing. as soon as he saw my PC, he wanted one to lol

[hoary zodiac]

Sigh

[dusk knot]

ikr lol

[fresh timber]

sounds like a uncle with lots of moeny to spare that just wants somethign ncie

lemmie guess, he drives an overkill car too

[dusk knot]

he does

[fresh timber]

dont worry, my uncle is the same way, he saw my pc and wants a overkill pc for world of warcraft too

[mortal grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZZ27wY overkill

[hoary zodiac]

Felix

I could do way lower

Hold up

[mortal grail]

I know you can

[fresh timber]

apu build kewl

[mortal grail]

I said "something to look at"

[dusk knot]

needs to be black with RGB

[hoary zodiac]

I'm gonna slap a cooler on a haswell

[fresh timber]

@dusk knot what does ur pc look like? seeing he likes yours they could go based on that

[dusk knot]

needs to look high end as well

[mortal grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L38MFZ

[dusk knot]

like a sports car with a 4 cylinder

[mortal grail]

He could upgrade that later

Very easily

[fresh timber]

mazda miata type?

[dusk knot]

hhhhhhhhmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[craggy shoal]

GR 86?

[fresh timber]

your uncle screams this lmfao

[hoary zodiac]

ITX?

[dusk knot]

ATX

[craggy shoal]

I want a Miata

[fresh timber]

i want an older one

[mortal grail]

Track day bro

[craggy shoal]

NA or bust for me

[mortal grail]

Track day bro

Track day

[craggy shoal]

Track day bro

[mortal grail]

Goin track day

[hoary zodiac]

What if X79

[proud jackal]

I want a 4runner

[hoary zodiac]

Ahahah

[mortal grail]

Track day bro

Got them hoosier

[craggy shoal]

Track day bro

[mortal grail]

Get sum HOOSIERS

Hoosiers

Time attack track day bro

Get that track day bro

[dusk knot]

Nvm....ITX works

[fresh timber]

if unc ever needs pc ima wipe my server, slap 5700x3d in it and call it a day

[dusk knot]

@mortal grail cook up a white build if you can. Thank you 😊

[mortal grail]

YOU

YOU JUST SAID BLACK

WACIS

[craggy shoal]

black

[hoary zodiac]

Bruh

Trolling

[craggy shoal]

WACIS

[dusk knot]

My uncle said black, but he changed his mind

[hoary zodiac]

Thanks JP

[mortal grail]

Track day bro

[craggy shoal]

Track day bro

[dusk knot]

Woagh calm down, guys. This isn't my build

[fresh timber]

unc needs that 8700g frfr

kidding

[dusk knot]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-it's-just-the-way-it-is-i'm-just-the-messenger-gif-6270475095135913721

[mortal grail]

@dusk knot https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QQf9Kq

[proud jackal]

Must be nice to have a nice build.

[dusk knot]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-press-close-staredown-train-gif-22975756

[fresh timber]

my pc is mid

unc want a 13600kf+7700xt for $400 kidding

[proud jackal]

Same

[mortal grail]

If you say black build next I will fly to your house jp and eat the 5080 on newegg twitch

[fresh timber]

send me the 5080 instead

🙂

[dusk knot]

mean

[mortal grail]

I'll send you what the hospital pumps out of me after

[fresh timber]

ill get something out of it

[mortal grail]

Yeah hope you like melted fin stacks

[fresh timber]

my mid ass pc with a defective ram stick, peak computing

[dusk knot]

HHHHHHMMMMMMMMMM

[fresh timber]

rgb for unc

64gb ram, intresting intresting, hella apps will open

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Tp8Zc

idk why I put a gpu in there

[fresh timber]

u fit it in budget

why not

unc can load up that web game at high fps

give him a fancy gpu to look at

[hoary zodiac]

I hate money being wasted

[fresh timber]

you must hate my gaming setup then

[rancid juniper]

Green paper

[mortal grail]

Tbh

[hoary zodiac]

that is your business

[mortal grail]

In a gaming pc sense this checks out

[hoary zodiac]

yeah this is actually a decent budget build

[dusk knot]

I hope that CPU is good enough 🤔

[hoary zodiac]

[mortal grail]

However in a work sense you sacrifice a lot of security changes

Given the circumstances

[hoary zodiac]

true

AM4?

[safe cape]

x99 its 10 years 💀

[hoary zodiac]

work pc

[fresh timber]

x99 is still the best platform ever

[hoary zodiac]

he can do with a core 2 quad he just wants to waste money

[mortal grail]

If that cpu wasn't enough you'd need EPYC to run any game in 2025

[hoary zodiac]

what about 3400G?

below the surface he won't really care

[mortal grail]

No

[hoary zodiac]

wait

that's a quad core no?

damn

[mortal grail]

If I'm gonna suggest something that isn't a cheap laptop then I'm gonna make it something that has actual resale to it

[fresh timber]

2300x

[lone mango]

Whats the work tho

What is unc doing

[hoary zodiac]

things that could be run in a web browser

[fresh timber]

web browser things he just wants a fancy computer

[hoary zodiac]

the most intensive thing he's running is probably youtube.com

[mortal grail]

Unc demands custom rgb pc for chrome browsing and office processing

[lone mango]

Man even a 3400g is more than enough

[safe cape]

go am5 ez same price

[mortal grail]

Ofc it is

No why

Y'all putting money in the wrong places

[hoary zodiac]

4700G?

[safe cape]

gpu useless for him

[mortal grail]

Better but won't have resale

[fresh timber]

i have a feeling non of the configs matter they all excell at what hes doing

[rancid juniper]

$1200 gaming PC
CPU: i7-4790k
GPU: GT 1030
Ram: 8gb ddr3 1600mhz
Storage: 512gb 7200rpm hdd
Windows: 10 home
PSU: unnamed object

Can run Fortnite, Roblox, apex, CS2 and more! 🧢

[mortal grail]

There is no gpu

[safe cape]

there is

[fresh timber]

cpu graphics accelration

[mortal grail]

Show

I have igpu

Show gpu

[lone mango]

fr

[safe cape]

r5 7600 or something

[mortal grail]

Again why

[lone mango]

what

[safe cape]

i have a 7700 and its working

[hoary zodiac]

resale

👏 resale value 👏

he's likely to buy it and then get a new one later

[mortal grail]

Here's the thing

With 64gb he can use 16gb for the igpu

[hoary zodiac]

people with disposable income make stupid decisions

[mortal grail]

Which is amazing

And an infinite chromium experience

[rancid juniper]

16gb vram

[mortal grail]

The 5700g will tackle an upgrade to make the pc resalable with minimum effort

The igpu doesn't matter

[safe cape]

am5 can upgrade later better resale value

[mortal grail]

What does is the allocation

[hoary zodiac]

why are y'all going AM5

[rancid juniper]

DDR7 igpus gonna be caked up

[mortal grail]

He probably will never upgrade except to sell

[hoary zodiac]

the name Ryzen 7 has value

just look at 4790K

[mortal grail]

Why spend double on ram that does nothing

[hoary zodiac]

they're still overpriced as hell

[rancid juniper]

L

[hoary zodiac]

EXACTLY

[safe cape]

wait is it not th same price in the us ?

[hoary zodiac]

a 4790K can sell more for something else that outperforms it

so 5700G would have a similar effect

[fresh timber]

is hegoing to resell it

[hoary zodiac]

just because it's a ryzen 7

yes

[mortal grail]

Ddr4 vs ddr5 for 0% meaningful difference is double the price per gb

[hoary zodiac]

look at i5s

do they have that same resale value?

no

the point is

if he's going to waste money

5700G is going to have the best resale value

[mortal grail]

See I'd do this

[hoary zodiac]

so he's going to get the most back

[mortal grail]

Not anything else so far

[rancid juniper]

someone would probably buy an i7-8700k than buy an i3-14100 for their new build

[hoary zodiac]

valid

[mortal grail]

A 12700K, makes sense, stupid as it is

[safe cape]

i built the same pc this year 5600g/32ram/500ssd i open +100tab 32ram is oveeeerkill imagine 64

[hoary zodiac]

ok actually I might make a list with that

goose super helpful today

[rancid juniper]

Lmfao

[hoary zodiac]

based

[fresh timber]

agree

[hoary zodiac]

wait

[fresh timber]

good gpu in it too

[mortal grail]

The dude is likely in his 60's, watch that be the same in 2035

[hoary zodiac]

what about the non KF

[frigid stag]

More cores + better performance when overclocked

[dusk knot]

@mortal grail you know any mini ITX Mobo withn a front Type C header?

[hoary zodiac]

we're dealing with a boomer

[fresh timber]

intel hd graphics, great for youtube and such

[mortal grail]

Do you want to spend a fortune on a plug

[rancid juniper]

Higher number = better

[frigid stag]

Ye true

[fresh timber]

intel=more money for some reason

[rancid juniper]

That's why the 9070XT is the greatest gpu

Buy

[dusk knot]

how much more would that be?

[nocturne flicker]

Bigger number better 9070XT > 5090

[rancid juniper]

^^^

[hoary zodiac]

DDR4 overpriced?

[nocturne flicker]

Literally 3980 and XT more than a 5090

[safe cape]

10 years wow future pc will be different

[frigid stag]

Why only the small ones

[mortal grail]

Specifics be damned I would be surprised to see that on any itx under 200

[safe cape]

AI everything

[dusk knot]

hm

[hoary zodiac]

what are these prices?????

even with ddr5

[fresh timber]

i want

[frigid stag]

Itx costs more

For some reason

[fresh timber]

itx tax

[mortal grail]

Why do you think I picked the board I did

[fresh timber]

sells less

[mortal grail]

Lmao

[frigid stag]

Ye I guess

[nocturne flicker]

FX 8350 > 5800X, bigger number and has a F

[fresh timber]

theirs a itx case than can fit some matx motherboard

[mortal grail]

Is it really itx tho

[hoary zodiac]

oh

there's an itx case in here

[fresh timber]

get nr200 and cabatble matx motherboard

[mortal grail]

Wtf

[fresh timber]

[nocturne flicker]

14900kf > 285k...oh wait

[mortal grail]

Wtff

[lone mango]

Thats if the matx chosen will fit

[mortal grail]

WTF

[fresh timber]

find the right one

[mortal grail]

WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME OF SUCH A STUPID THING

[craggy shoal]

wait you can fit an ATX PSU in those?

[lone mango]

Yeah

[fresh timber]

??? your welcome

[mortal grail]

THE NR200 FITS ANYTHING NOW

[lone mango]

You just need to buy an adapter from someone

[mortal grail]

[fresh timber]

almost

not all matx fit

[craggy shoal]

about to check one out rn if that's the case bruh I've been needing something that small that fits an ATX PSU

[lone mango]

You can put a 4090 in there too

[mortal grail]

Watch a new mod come out with the damn motherboard poking out the top "ATX mod"

It will be truly everything

[fresh timber]

the y70 can fit three 120mm fans with a mod

[mortal grail]

People buy those?

[fresh timber]

yeah

[lone mango]

Ah see how the motherboard covers those slits a little bit

[fresh timber]

the y70 looks ice, my firned got one

[lone mango]

You might not be able to put a sfx psu in there depending on the width

[mortal grail]

I'm kinda weary about those, all the nzxt simps jumped ship to hyte (made by nzxt designers) when the nzxt ship blew up

[fresh timber]

its just the coompany

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m8XvRV

here's something stupid

[hoary zodiac]

they're also extremely overpriced

[fresh timber]

it doesnt really matter much, its a decent case just a lil expensive

[mortal grail]

Y70 is also like the only ok performing case of all of them

And costs a fortune

[hoary zodiac]

and just "ok"

[fresh timber]

yeah

[rancid juniper]

fr??????????????????

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-gif-5750196720983083288

[fresh timber]

we put a 4060ti and 5800x in the y70

[hoary zodiac]

if it costs more than an O11D

then it's not worth it

[mortal grail]

Change the cooler and that's better

[fresh timber]

friend wanted looks, we gave him looks

[fresh timber]

a little more cooling

please

[hoary zodiac]

white cooler stupid price

hold up

[fresh timber]

is 12700k powerdraw like a 13600k

cause i have 13600k cooloing expirence

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHAHAH

[fresh timber]

tldr, its a pain

[hoary zodiac]

THIS THING CAN FIT A 240MM

is there clearance tho?

[mortal grail]

@dusk knot boeing had a better idea
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dfk6Bq

[fresh timber]

nr200? or jonsbo

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dwjph7

[mortal grail]

It fits I know it does

[craggy shoal]

What's this

[dusk knot]

intel

💀

[craggy shoal]

intel

[fresh timber]

a 12700k is safe

[hoary zodiac]

i7 tax

[fresh timber]

and its prob the best cpu ngl

[hoary zodiac]

alder lake is pretty solid

[fresh timber]

unc ever starts playhing video games just give him a gpu

[hoary zodiac]

ehhhh

in that case?

[lone mango]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VHrV4p

[fresh timber]

great cpu alr inccluded

[hoary zodiac]

I mean it's doable tbh

[fresh timber]

build for now not later

unless he knows excatly what he will do later

[mortal grail]

Wait

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DrWbpK

[fresh timber]

nah

[mortal grail]

Better @dusk knot

[hoary zodiac]

the wack continues

actually

[fresh timber]

that cpu is at risk

[hoary zodiac]

you can fit a cheaper cooler

[fresh timber]

yeah u dont need asio on a 13400

just get a 12600k

[mortal grail]

What risk

[fresh timber]

intel

[mortal grail]

Wat

[fresh timber]

its affected by the issues

[mortal grail]

???

[lone mango]

Not that one

Its a low wattage cpu

[fresh timber]

im googing it again

it might be safe

isnt it 65w

and above

[mortal grail]

If you're about to say degrading, it doesn't hit vid levels to be at risk

[frigid stag]

It got fixed

[mortal grail]

Forget fixed it's not in scope

Like at all

[lone mango]

[fresh timber]

while i do belive in the new microcode its not enough for me to trust buying new intel for people beisides my self

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/92cG3C/thermalright-axp90-x47-4258-cfm-cpu-cooler-axp90-x47-white

this would work no?

[mortal grail]

Not intel

[hoary zodiac]

really?

[fresh timber]

not intel hell no

[hoary zodiac]

even a 12400?

[fresh timber]

a 12400 yeah prob

[hoary zodiac]

what the hell is up with these clowns

[dusk knot]

looks good. need another case. already built in that

[frigid stag]

I mean there’s power limits to make it not heat up

[fresh timber]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-cpu-instability-crashing-bug-includes-65w-and-higher-skus-intel-says-damage-is-irreversible-no-planned-recall

[craggy shoal]

mfw reading all of these and I'm still going to try using my 13700K again when I get more money (might as well be for when I get a new GPU)

[fresh timber]

yeah the 13400 is apart of the affected units

[hoary zodiac]

yes but it's never going to hit the levels for the degradation to start taking place

[fresh timber]

im using my 13600kf idc if it dies ill swap it with a 12900k or some poo

[mortal grail]

The problem was the ia vr rail being slammed with unlimited iccmax. New microcode caps that, and this situation was brought on by the cpus going over 1.55v per core vr vout

The 13400

Never got close

Lol

13600K's were barely affected at all

[fresh timber]

so why is it reported that its apart of the affected bunch of 65w tdp +

[hoary zodiac]

it's affected

but it's not going to show symptoms

it's the same architecture

[mortal grail]

Cos everyone was reporting issues until the root cause was found

[fresh timber]

intresting intresting

why do people not trust that they are fixed then if the fix seems so.. easy

[hoary zodiac]

it has the design flaw but it does not present a problem for this cpu

[mortal grail]

The CPU doesn't pull the vid levels to degrade

[hoary zodiac]

the fix is

they're sort of fixed