general-chat

[mortal grail]

These games include like combat games

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

Where latency means a lot

So you have to play with a 60fps type of latency even though you have well over 150 fps

[hoary zodiac]

So fake frames in a game where you want the most accurate data as fast as possible

[mortal grail]

FG is bad for competitive or reaction type games

Nvidia is trying to standardise this

[mortal grail]

This

You don't want this

[hoary zodiac]

NgreedAI moment

Nvidia is becoming the Tesla of tech

[mortal grail]

People chasing 500fps, now add another 500 with DLSS 4 or 5 or 6 or whatever

And their latency drops to like 120fps equivalent

[hoary zodiac]

They're unironically at apple levels

[mortal grail]

So the game is worse

[hoary zodiac]

Of bullcrap

[proud jackal]

Dlss and framegen is so laggy in marvel rivals

[mortal grail]

Don't use framegen in that 💀

[hoary zodiac]

Best 5070 competitor is 4070S

[mortal grail]

You'll play worse

[proud jackal]

Not sure why netease couldn't just optimize their game

[hoary zodiac]

🥱

[mortal grail]

Slower frametimes

[hoary zodiac]

That is absolutely everyone and it has to stop

[proud jackal]

I don't use dlss or framegen in competitive games

[hoary zodiac]

Game studios won't put in the cash to get their games optimised properly

[hoary zodiac]

Based

[proud jackal]

It's super noticable

Rofl

[mortal grail]

I'm skipping next gen theo

[elfin mural]

frame gen is super noticeable

[hoary zodiac]

We should all skip

[proud jackal]

But

Shiny

[hoary zodiac]

This is how the free market works

[elfin mural]

seeing the cuda core count from what is ada refresh disgusts me

[mortal grail]

Not paying 50% more for stagflation

[elfin mural]

now let's see what 4080 has to offer

[hoary zodiac]

Don't give NgreedAI any money

And they'll actually try to release a good product

But seeing how PCMR glazers exist

[elfin mural]

okay

[proud jackal]

I'm buying it, since I got two 4090 for free I feel like I need to pay Nvidia at this point

[elfin mural]

1000 more cuda in 5080 vs 4080

[hoary zodiac]

Nvidia's probably going to get away with it

[elfin mural]

that's not bad

[mortal grail]

You really should spend anything on it to show them that the price is stupid

Go buy a 4090

[proud jackal]

I don't need 3 4090

[hoary zodiac]

The 5090 price is stupid

[proud jackal]

[elfin mural]

but..

[hoary zodiac]

Don't fund their annoying business practices

[elfin mural]

4080S only has 300 less cudas than 5080

[hoary zodiac]

You're funding AI crap

[mortal grail]

Nvidia doesn't need to be told you'll buy a card like that either

[elfin mural]

Jesus this is underwhelming

[hoary zodiac]

Theo you deserve so much better

[elfin mural]

This might result in a very minuscule increase from the 4080S

LMAO

[hoary zodiac]

Than a 5090

[elfin mural]

50 series is such a joke even for 80 series

[hoary zodiac]

Imagine a 5090 with double the performance for cheaper

[elfin mural]

WTH

[hoary zodiac]

That's what you could get

[proud jackal]

It's okay, 5090 will fix my life

Jensen said so

[elfin mural]

nvidia is ripping us all off

[hoary zodiac]

But...

It has AI

[elfin mural]

even 80 series is not safe

anymore

jesus

[mortal grail]

Better hope the IPC does something cos the 5080 is the only really good looking one rn

And it won't last

[elfin mural]

yeah

i hope so

but it's ada refresh

i don't have high hopes

[proud jackal]

Also selling my 13900k apex and 4090 PC to a friend to get rid of all the hording I've been doing

[elfin mural]

nvidia is officially an AI company

not a gpu company

i mean 40 series made it somewhat apparent

but 50

that's even more so

but im speaking too soon

[hoary zodiac]

Boycott NgreedAI

[proud jackal]

Just wait till they stop making gpus for consumers and force you to use GeForce now

[elfin mural]

i'll put my doubt away for a bit until reviews are out

[hoary zodiac]

They're gonna make it NZXT 2.0

[hoary zodiac]

I have zero doubt it's going to be bad

Nvidia is too greedy for an ada refresh to be actually good

[elfin mural]

what a sad start to 2025 from nvidia

imagine the supers from the last gen being the better value

[hoary zodiac]

Right after the great B580 troll fiasco too

[hoary zodiac]

They probably will be

It's like 4060 vs 3060ti again

[elfin mural]

if the 5080 had 20gb i'd consider it as an improvement still

but nah

16gb forever

[hoary zodiac]

Also does help that games are more and more unoptimised

[elfin mural]

in a refresh i don't expect perf increases

i just expected more vram

because games are just so rushed rn

[hoary zodiac]

Like

Don't announce the games if you're not ready

[elfin mural]

but to see a last gen card beat it is crazy

[hoary zodiac]

Stop releasing slop

ahhhhh

[elfin mural]

sure super is above non super

but it's an embarrassing display

[hoary zodiac]

We have mid gpus, terribly optimised games, and DLSS and FG cope

[elfin mural]

4x FG, 4x the latency

[hoary zodiac]

DLSS is not a coping technology

[elfin mural]

[hoary zodiac]

DLSS is actually good but no

[elfin mural]

DLSS is good if it was used correctly

Not as a crutch

But as a tech that enhances your already decent experience further

[hoary zodiac]

FG is just

Snake oil

[elfin mural]

It's a tangible snake oil I suppose

You can't just make frames out of nowhere

[hoary zodiac]

It's like

You took a picture of the mona lisa

[elfin mural]

You can tell it's much smoother, but you also trade it with more latency and input lag

[hoary zodiac]

And told someone to make a recreation

[proud jackal]

I feel like it's fine for single player games

[elfin mural]

ye

no reason for fps games to use it

[hoary zodiac]

That'd also depend on the genre

[proud jackal]

It's when they are forcing it down our throats in competitive games is when it's annoying af

[elfin mural]

I just don't like the fact that it is nvidia's main marketing way tho

[hoary zodiac]

it's cope

[elfin mural]

5090 using 4x fg

[hoary zodiac]

Because they have nothing good

[proud jackal]

When they had dlss and frame gen in cod I was like wow just optimize game pla

Pls*

[elfin mural]

amd is gonna do the same

but at least not so shamelessly so

FSR 4 is coming for 90 series

[hoary zodiac]

AMD saw that they could get away with it

[elfin mural]

4x frame gen

[hoary zodiac]

And decided they wanted that greed pie

[proud jackal]

Intel: look at our humble GPU uwu

[hoary zodiac]

Radeon department wanted a piece of the greed action the Ryzen guys have been getting

[mortal grail]

Ohp

[elfin mural]

intel is the only company i'd buy a gpu from (if i were to build a pc rn)

[mortal grail]

50% more money for 50% more performance at the AU MSRP

I'm calling it now

I've seen almost enough now

There's a big uplift in RT

In terms of raster it's looking more 1 to 1 with a some 16% uplift

This is all paper specs tho]

So 5070 will likely be an uplift

But likely not a generational uplift like before

Not in raster, anyway

RT might be a big jump tho

Ada vs Blackwell is supposedly 2x at the 90 level

But 33% more cores

So RT could jump enormously in a 1 to 1 scenario

To the tune of like 60%

[hoary zodiac]

Meh

[mortal grail]

It matters

[hoary zodiac]

For intel

[mortal grail]

New games are mandating RT

[hoary zodiac]

I meant that intel is kinda meh

After the fiasco

[mortal grail]

So pure raster the needle won't shift much

Devs might still use the 5090 as the benchmark

But RT might be a huge jump

They mentioned much more memory bandwidth due to bigger bus but that's a meh statement since the 90 cards are really the ones that got it and they weren't really bus limited

I think when we see reviews they're going to speak very positively about RT

It's like uh

Remember Ryzen 9K?

Ryzen 9K had huge uplifts in specific areas

But normal people don't see those uplifts

So similar looking deal here maybe, but specifically for RT

Which is bad news for AMD cos they literally did the SAME THING

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder if we're going to be able to see VR games with RT

If it's becoming more accessible

[mortal grail]

It's changing my tune a bit realising this cos that means there is at least something going for the 5090

In terms of raster it's not looking like much but the RT side looks like a big jump

Also worries me too cos it's going to really strain older cards if we transition too fast to ray tracing as a standard game feature

[hoary zodiac]

Maybe nvidia went all in on RT this gen

To try to get a giant leap over radeon

[mortal grail]

It's sounding a little like that

[hoary zodiac]

They've always had a distinctive RT advantage

[mortal grail]

But this also means the 5060 is going to absolutely suck

Cos RT vastly increases VRAM usage

Let alone a 60 card ever managing it, it means the generational gain plays completely against that card

[hoary zodiac]

Surely they'll have sense and put more vram on it

[mortal grail]

They might who knows

Rumours are rumours

[hoary zodiac]

If they're going all in

If...

[mortal grail]

The speculation is 8gb rn but who knows

[elfin mural]

8gb is a certain

imo

they claim 30% increase

i doubt it

that'd be too good to be true for nvidia

[hoary zodiac]

If they're trying to get ahead of AMD with RT

They may very well have to put more vram on it

[elfin mural]

if 5050 laptop comes with 8gb

i'll try to not cry

[hoary zodiac]

RTX laptops are fishy anyways

[elfin mural]

because well

i have 4050

xd

it'd sting

if the 5050 has 128bit and 8gb

i mean im happy with 6gb

but 92 bit can be restrictive

[mortal grail]

I also worked out why the 5060 laptop benchmark was so high

[proud jackal]

5090 will fix everything

[mortal grail]

They have a new optimus software function

[hoary zodiac]

Uh oh

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

so it gets way better efficiency per watt

[hoary zodiac]

Linux will not like it

[mortal grail]

So the leak you saw is likely real

[hoary zodiac]

Let's hope the drivers for linux will work

[elfin mural]

huh okay

so it's getting better perf per watt

for laptops

that would make sense if true

[hoary zodiac]

That's actually pretty good

Like Zen 3

[elfin mural]

zen 3+ traded some efficiency for more ipc

counterintiutive for laptops but

it's still pretty efficient

all things considered

[mortal grail]

Guess it's just a waiting game now

Not much else to say other than it's going to be a paper launch

[elfin mural]

gotta wait until mid-late 2025 to see the laptops pop up

or even early 2026

thailand only got 40 series laptops mid 2023 lol

[mortal grail]

Laptops already announced afaik

Oh

Fair enough

[elfin mural]

yeah

im speaking of my own country

[hoary zodiac]

2026 I'm gonna still be rocking a 3070

[elfin mural]

didn't provide enough context

[hoary zodiac]

Even into 2030 tbh

[elfin mural]

mid 2023, my tuf was just freshly launched

[hoary zodiac]

Ain't got money for a new laptop

[elfin mural]

1.2k

big moners but at that moment

[hoary zodiac]

My laptop was 1.3k

[elfin mural]

it was either 850m forever or 4050

i had no choice xd

[hoary zodiac]

I think 1.5K after counting upgrades

Chinese market is stupidly good

[elfin mural]

it was basically compulsory bad choice

because if i didn't use the chance to get this

i'd get nothing

[hoary zodiac]

Gamer moment

[elfin mural]

i could've told my mom to get a lesser model, but at that time the shop only had

[hoary zodiac]

I'm probably gonna spend money building up my homelab rather than on gaming laptops

[elfin mural]

4050 or 3050 4gb

[hoary zodiac]

I don't even play video games anymore

Kinda just lost interest

Comes with age I guess

[elfin mural]

i'd rather pay big and have something that can last at least a good while

4gb is too little for anything meaningful

let alone err

a 45w 3050

big upgrade from 850m but certainly very limiting

(it was either aspire 7 or this tuf)

[mortal grail]

So the launch is gonna look better than the reality after it cos of the tariffs

Lmfao

[elfin mural]

yeah

the tariffs are gonna blow it out of the water

[mortal grail]

Nvidia played with my mind on this last time

[elfin mural]

nvidia won't fool me twice

fool me once, i remember

[hoary zodiac]

Man

The 2020s is just one big nosedive for the economy

[elfin mural]

covid xd

[hoary zodiac]

Can we get a break

Like

[elfin mural]

I blame this on the virus

[hoary zodiac]

Covid was 5 years ago

[elfin mural]

It changed the economy so much

[hoary zodiac]

Stop trying to tank the economy

[elfin mural]

Everything is tanking

Look at nissan having only 12 months left to stay in business

[hoary zodiac]

Covid, Ukraine, the entirety of the middle east, and now US tariffs

[elfin mural]

Honda and mitsubishi are forming a joint venture with nissan

[hoary zodiac]

It's like they all conspired to just tank the world economy

Like can we PLEASE just let the economy recover

PLEASEE

[elfin mural]

This is a conspiracy theory but

I think this is done on purpose

So that the rich can profit off it

But that's just my theory

[hoary zodiac]

I have a theory for the tariffs but that's too political for this chat

[elfin mural]

Crappification, inflation and shrinkflation

ofc tariffs are politically tied

but let's not mention it here

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah anything on tariffs aside from the economic impacts are straying into politics

[elfin mural]

on other news

TSMC is starting production in japan soon

They're branching out

[hoary zodiac]

Is it like the US fabs?

[elfin mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk-lBok9_TU

[hoary zodiac]

Honestly that'd be grest

[elfin mural]

This vid should explain it

9 months ago tho

But just recently they started mass production in japan

[hoary zodiac]

I'd love to see Japan become a global tech giant again

They drove so much innovation back in the 70-90s

[elfin mural]

With this japan will see a bright tech future

Having a TSMC factory in the country

That's a huge W

[hoary zodiac]

Meanwhile South Korea

Is just Samsung the country

[elfin mural]

lol

Let's just call it ROS

Republic of Samsung

[hoary zodiac]

That'd be a big middle finger to north korea

[elfin mural]

Because it's true

[hoary zodiac]

"Yeah you're the only Korea now but we have samsung"

[elfin mural]

Samsung is literally Korea's entire economy

South Korea I mean

[hoary zodiac]

Samsung can buy North Korea

[elfin mural]

People scramble to work for samsung every year

The pay's too good to miss

[hoary zodiac]

Meh

Too competitive

[elfin mural]

Also, TSMC is already on its way to build a second factory in japan

[hoary zodiac]

For the higher paying jobs

[elfin mural]

The first one opened

And they're already building another

[hoary zodiac]

I wonder if the work culture is any better than Japan

[hoary zodiac]

Damn

[elfin mural]

Not sure

[hoary zodiac]

They got a lot of demand it seems

I mean it makes sense

[elfin mural]

ye

[hoary zodiac]

Since AI and crap

Now everything has to have AI

[elfin mural]

TSMC is the best at making chips

Not even Intel can compete

[hoary zodiac]

So more chips!!!!!!!

AI in your shopping cart

AI in your mum

AI powered fork

[elfin mural]

AImgonnalosemymind

[hoary zodiac]

"AI AI AI AI" -Jensen Huang

[elfin mural]

same for lisa su

pat says "WOW!"

[hoary zodiac]

https://youtu.be/dQ8gSV_KyDw

GN is out?

Like

The only thing good about AI in that entire nvidia presentation is the part where they show robots and other physical applications

Because that actually has the potential to save lives or bring significant advancements to manufacturing

The others are just...

"IT department is replacing HR now lololol"

And "AI AI AI AI AI AI"

[elfin mural]

lmao

AI in medical applications is a benefit to humanity as a whole

Like being able to spot something suspicious

Humans make mistakes too

AI ain't perfect, but any little bit helps

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah

But no we have to waste money on developing AI meant for Microsoft and Google to mine more data off us

[elfin mural]

kek

[gilded kraken]

yes microsoft and google. Continue to be awe'd by how much of a furry I am. Muahahah. I am unphased

[hoary zodiac]

lmao

[gilded kraken]

harvest my data like crisp golden wheat

[elfin mural]

They will run out of data eventually

AI training uses massive amounts of data

[hoary zodiac]

They're not getting my data if possible

I'm not using windows and I'm minimising google services

Like

Microsoft if you're going to mine my data at least make windows 11 good

Don't mine my data and give me a terrible product

[elfin mural]

win 11 breaking wifi

[gilded kraken]

but bing now understands a hand has 4 fingers

truely revolutionary

I am in a snarky mood after trying to figure out what model 50 series card I want to buy. some are uggo

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah

A 4070 Super

Or a 4080

[gilded kraken]

maybe. The raw performance gains on 50 series would have to be really dissapointing

[elfin mural]

best 50 series card to buy is

a 40 super

ada refresh

$549 5070 that has 1000 less cudas than the $600 4070S

[hoary zodiac]

They're looking that way at the moment

Waiting for reviews to see the real performance

[gilded kraken]

I mean i think buying a 4080 super is off the table. newegg wants like 1200 min

[hoary zodiac]

Oh look a baby huntsman

[gilded kraken]

friend

[craggy shoal]

Pull its legs off

Make it suffer

[gilded kraken]

let it go outside among the other murder machines

[craggy shoal]

Let it suffer before it's killed

[mortal grail]

Wtf

Huntsmans are friends

They eat other spiders

Harmless to humans

You step off little hunter

[hoary zodiac]

I shall provide nourishment

Nvm he's not interested

Alright I'll let him go

[full shoal]

Bruh the 5070 is not as good as the 4090 in raw performance NVIDIA is sxammming

[gilded kraken]

Yea. thats only with the new dlss4 frame gen on that it "matches"

[fresh nova]

Guys don’t act surprised

[gilded kraken]

if that

[fresh nova]

They did the same magic trick past 3 generations

This isn’t new

https://tenor.com/view/magic-wizardry-wizard-spell-cast-gif-990895181341582037

[gilded kraken]

I expect realistically like 20-25% uplifts

if it does raytracing alot better thats a bigger plus

[fresh nova]

Now I will likely sell the 4070 at some point & get one

A founders of course

I love the Founders cards, beautiful metallic design.

[gilded kraken]

I would consider a founder if I could change the white light on the side to purple

[fresh nova]

Eh considering I use an open test bench doesn’t matter for me

Y’all seen my current PC

[gilded kraken]

Just like I cant use a new 5080 suprim like I wanted because it has a polished metal backplate and doesnt match my system now

sadness

[hoary zodiac]

I prefer pre turing FE cards

[fresh nova]

You like my GPU blocks?

[hoary zodiac]

I really like the 1080ti FE design

[hoary zodiac]

lmao

Lego PC case when

[fresh nova]

https://youtu.be/QqMA4JzT2mk?si=CBU9oGE629kv0y-r

[gilded kraken]

what are the blocks. I dont recognize what they are

[fresh nova]

Just holding the weight, they just some cardboard I taped together

[gilded kraken]

aaah okay. I mean it works

[fresh nova]

:bryce1:

Where the emoji with me taping a 1,600 Watt PSU

Oh we’re not level 3 Nitro anymore

[pliant berry]

[devout forum]

Please Miss Su PLEASE let used hardware get cheaper once new gen comes out

The only redeeming quality of the 5080:

getting DP2.1 and a 200 dollar price cut

That's it.

[misty sparrow]

Would anyone realistically look that close at a game to notice the slightly blurry texture

[unreal trail]

nobody actually does

[mortal grail]

Same price as 4080S

[unreal trail]

unless you're playing a slow RPG like Dragon Quest

[gilded kraken]

Horizon usually has things trying to murder me. So probably not

[mortal grail]

This is in fact most the reason I avoid dlss/fsr in general

Fsr tends to be more obvious about it at times

[devout forum]

I mean yeah, that is fair

I guess putting the 80 class above a grand did NOT pan out

[mortal grail]

You need to wait for reviews

And the following sales over the months

The pure performance estimates show a big boost in rt

[devout forum]

I'm hoping that used 40 series will come down in price at least a little

[mortal grail]

They'll go up

Everything will cos tariffs

[devout forum]

I mean I'm not really affected by the tariffs per se

and I mean USED stuff

I'm too poor to buy new PC stuff already kek

[mortal grail]

I'm not supposed to be but the 5090 msrp here went up nearly 50%

It costs about 2500usd here

Riddle that one lol

4039 AUD

[devout forum]

it is what it is

Again, I'm talking used 40 series

[rancid juniper]

https://youtu.be/olfgrLqtXEo?si=Hi0dFiRKZrKnXvm_

[fresh timber]

Money

[mortal grail]

Yeah ik

People raise their used pricing to match the market

Been a practice forever

[sage sluice]

Im noticing a lot of not so excited feedback even in places that arent really in the loop on how scummy nvidia has been with prices

I think people are finally starting to realize what theyre buying isnt worth what theyre paying

[elfin mural]

@mortal grail

Dell is going insane

XPS is no more

[mortal grail]

Dell pro max 😂😂😂

It's a god damn gacha game now

[elfin mural]

DELL PRO MAX PREMIUM

[fresh timber]

Everyone coping. Apple

[orchid hound]

Can't wait for pro max ultra

[tacit geode]

5090 is in my future

[unreal trail]

ridiculous

[devout forum]

It's a UE5 title, what were you expecting?

[unreal trail]

Rebirth was still on UE4

[dusk knot]

Fake frames. Fake frames everywhere

[tranquil pebble]

Pong on UE5: RTX 4090 and 9800x3d minimum spec

[sage sluice]

(With upscaling and frame generation: performance setting at 720p)

[devout forum]

Damn guys

4070 Ti Super is 1000 USD here

the cheapest one

[tranquil pebble]

riiip off

[devout forum]

that is brand new tbf

and our currency is currently absolutely awful

(415 HUF to a dollar)

[fresh timber]

I know

I don’t think bro read chat lmfao

[mortal grail]

I thought it was the new cool thing

[fresh timber]

Not directly after the image was sent, you gotta wait long enough where it’s not scrolling distance

[mortal grail]

Oh

What about now

[tranquil pebble]

only 500 more years until the year 2525

[fresh timber]

That’s better

Notice how it’s not directly after mines

[mortal grail]

Oh I get it now

I can only see one

This is amazing

Weeee

[fresh timber]

Wwwww

[orchid hound]

Jesus christ

2060 a 30fps 1080p card

What in the unoptimised slop is this gams

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[misty sparrow]

I wonder why eight year old CPUs can still pass minimum requirements but not GPUs that are about six years old

[tacit quiver]

can someone tldr me the 4090 and 5070 comparison

[misty sparrow]

it’s like this everywhere and it’s pretty much getting me to think

[nocturne flicker]

Games are more GPU intensive now

AAA games that is

[tacit quiver]

AAA games suck

[mortal grail]

Games are doing a 180 on this

[misty sparrow]

de-

[mortal grail]

Many games are becoming cpu intensive

Relative to the previous years

[misty sparrow]

that’s great considering they’re a lot cheaper than powerful GPUs

[mortal grail]

Good examples look at poe2 or cp77

[tacit quiver]

only games youll ever need are CS2, Minecraft, and maybe valorant which can all run on toasters

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah it's amazing tbh

Cos the gpu market is just chaotic neutral rn

[misty sparrow]

I would say chaotic evil

is that a thing

[nocturne flicker]

I don't like any of those

[tacit quiver]

i hope they find a cure for you, sincerely

[proud jackal]

new valorant patch drops today

[tacit quiver]

carry meeeeee

wait do you actually wanna queue

[pliant berry]

minecraft is all you need

[nocturne flicker]

You don't like what I like therefore you must be ill, very wow much amazing

[proud jackal]

i dont get off work till tonight

[pliant berry]

ai and rtx

[tacit quiver]

i agree tbh cuz u can make any game in minecraft

[pliant berry]

or.... roblox

[tacit quiver]

i had a 5v5 bomb defusal gamemode working at one point, even built mirage and part of inferno

[pliant berry]

lol

[mortal grail]

Dlss 4 is how they say it can do that, it's just nvidia bs marketing again

[tacit quiver]

ah i see

[mortal grail]

Same energy as "2-3x 3090Ti with 4070 Ti"

[sinful blade]

I’ve lost so much money today

[sweet phoenix]

I almost sold my nvidia stock yesterday lmao

A whole $36

[pliant berry]

1 dollar in nvidia

oh damn today is really a down day. i have almost everything down 1%

[frigid stag]

Gotta start somewhere

I respect it tbh

[devout forum]

Hold on

Wait a second

Hold the phone

6700 XT GPU performance in a handheld, maybe?

[pliant berry]

I didn't even realize intel is down all the way to 20usd

[devout forum]

Ryzen AI Max looking good honestly

[sweet phoenix]

Yeah intel stock has been rough since july/augustish

They laid off like 6k workers or something insane

[pliant berry]

sad considering they have actually made progress in the gpu space

[sweet phoenix]

Yeah the layoffs and 13th/14th gen issues really screwed their plans over

They were planning to open i think 3 chip fabricators and start outsourcing nand like TSM

[pliant berry]

not to mention their enterprise market decline

[sweet phoenix]

Was alr in motion and they had to stop

Because of how bad their profits were/were looking to be for the rest of 2024

[unreal trail]

[sage sluice]

maybe a good time to start investing in intel then?

[devout forum]

NGL

I'd unironically consider buying a 13700K for my next PC

prices kinda bottomed out

[sage sluice]

not for gaming right

oh?

[devout forum]

Streaming

[sage sluice]

gotcha

ive not kept track of intel pricing tbh

[devout forum]

they're the same price as a 7700X rn

for me brand new

[sweet phoenix]

Why?

[devout forum]

(7700X went up in price a bit while the 13700K cratered)

[sweet phoenix]

7600/x should perform near identically

Streaming you should be using gpu encoding anyways

[mortal grail]

He not wrong

[devout forum]

it's barely cheaper lmao

and I already have it

like

[sage sluice]

do you have any practical reasoning for the cores?

[devout forum]

I want a nice thing >:[

[mortal grail]

What kind of encoding are you doing

[devout forum]

H264 or H265 probs

oh wait

WAIT A SEC

[mortal grail]

What reso

[devout forum]

I can't

I can't do it

[mortal grail]

WHAT RESO

[devout forum]

13700K+7900XT

[mortal grail]

[devout forum]

1440p

[mortal grail]

What's your net speed

[devout forum]

it'd be a new build after all

[devout forum]

Gigabit/gigabit by spec, 900/40 practical

[mortal grail]

Ok fair enough, doable

[sage sluice]

whats your 100 meter sprint speed?

[devout forum]

6 weeks :3

[sage sluice]

so real

[devout forum]

OMFG

For real

Hi my name is Tortoise, welcome to Jack*ss
I'm not swearing fr

BRUH

[sage sluice]

[devout forum]

this filtering is literally 1984

But at least it's SFW so

lol

[sage sluice]

watch yo language

[unreal trail]

🧌

[mortal grail]

It's a small price to pay to have a tame discussion under a corporate logo

[sage sluice]

ong

[pliant berry]

NO FILTER AVOIDING

[sage sluice]

ass

[mortal grail]

Ass is ok

🫏

[proud jackal]

5090 will fix everything

[sage sluice]

dont talk about jack's ass tho

[mortal grail]

Balou don't

[pliant berry]

-_-

[mortal grail]

💀

[sage sluice]

sorry 😭

[pliant berry]

not ur debt though

[sage sluice]

or your crippling relations

[proud jackal]

The more you buy the more you save

[mortal grail]

5090 won't fix frame gen lag

[sinful blade]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-laptops/the-ssds-and-ram-on-this-new-asus-rog-strix-scar-18-can-be-upgraded-entirely-without-tools/

[sage sluice]

"4090 was one of the best investments you could ever make"

[proud jackal]

https://www.instagram.com/share/reel/_dv1s4b8L

[mortal grail]

Next to the 5090 it kinda is

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/Wf0n57mTSes?si=JXQeC03cfGkLn7Z3

[misty sparrow]

You can say ass but not sure about… you know

[dusk knot]

AI

[misty sparrow]

what if I try it hmm

nope

[sage sluice]

i think ill invest in college instead, or food

[mortal grail]

Or a car

[misty sparrow]

I mean if you place a space in you can probably say it

[sage sluice]

or a 20ft plushie

[mortal grail]

Oooo

Get a giant new egg

[sage sluice]

i could live in it

[mortal grail]

You could hatch from it

[sage sluice]

i could call my kids hatchlings

[devout forum]

anyway

[sage sluice]

anyway

[misty sparrow]

anyway

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-funny-hay-haystack-gif-7440638

[devout forum]

I'm Tortoise, welcome to The World's Slowest Stupids show

[mortal grail]

^balou rn

[sage sluice]

im a tortoise

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/ORXoOKND1Tk?si=0-9FWMfBoqiCulca according to This, the 5090 only has a 30 percent improvement over the 4090 without DLSS

[sage sluice]

i cant wait for that to make zero impact on my life

[misty sparrow]

NikTek trying not to use the Mr Incredible realization meme for a few seconds be like

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[dusk knot]

It's a great meme platform ha

But Nvidia is investing too much on software

[mortal grail]

JP are you getting one

[sage sluice]

im not against the software development

[dusk knot]

Maybe

[pliant berry]

well considering how much everyone has been pushing software dev fields within the past decade

[sage sluice]

im against the gatekeeping behind stupidly priced items

[dusk knot]

I'm getting extra money soon

[mortal grail]

Better get on it for preorder if you do

Tariffs incoming

After that it's a complete skip

Peperealizes

^Jp wrote this btw

[misty sparrow]

What tariffs

[sage sluice]

rich people when the tariffs literally mean nothing to them

[mortal grail]

Tariff of 25% on electronics against china

[dusk knot]

Extra taxes on imports

We're doomed

[misty sparrow]

well that sucks

[sage sluice]

goes into effect the 20th right?

[mortal grail]

Whole market is scrambling to stockpile before prices rocket

[sage sluice]

or around there

[pliant berry]

I wouldn't use tariffs to validate a 500-1000usd purchase though

[misty sparrow]

I’d rather have something more useful than that tariff

like

Listing prices with taxes included on pricing stickers

[mortal grail]

Well it definitely won't be worth buying at 1400 after tariffs and scalping settle in

[misty sparrow]

I don’t see how it benefits anyone

[mortal grail]

5080 has like 5% more cores than a 4080S

[sage sluice]

the inescapable urge telling the voices to go away and not get political because of the tariffs

[dusk knot]

Politics ruin everything

[mortal grail]

Hey I'm just saying

Pick the lane now

Before everything gets expensive

[pliant berry]

last I checked it mostly affected china but I haven't looked recently

[mortal grail]

The msrp over here has already adjusted for the tariffs

It's gonna happen

[sage sluice]

im confident the US relations are gonna be a good bit more tense now

[misty sparrow]

If Nvidia was picking they’d go to PCIe x6 for the 6000 series

For the “pick a lane”

[mortal grail]

Ahhhhh

[misty sparrow]

it’s something

[pliant berry]

would make sense

[dusk knot]

I think I'll wait for 60 series

[mortal grail]

$2500 usd msrp here

[pliant berry]

luckily I don't see any real incentive to upgrade still

[mortal grail]

Neither tbh

I had to really think about it but I'm basically minmaxed on a 4090

[dusk knot]

Hm

[mortal grail]

I don't want to change half my setup just for a new gpu

[mortal grail]

...

[pliant berry]

yeah..

[mortal grail]

9070XT looks like it could be cool

[pliant berry]

I'd probably upgrade my cpu before my gpu at this point. might look into workstation hardware instead

[dusk knot]

I agree

[misty sparrow]

I’d rather get a new monitor than a GPU

[dusk knot]

We will wait

[mortal grail]

I'd need to change both to make sense of the situation

[dusk knot]

NgreedAi....$2000

[misty sparrow]

I’m pretty sure my 3060ti should be great for the next five years

[dusk knot]

Looks like for a strix 6090 I'll need $3000

[mortal grail]

Suprim better meta

Same quality for less price

[sage sluice]

Only thing that would reasonably help my setup now without spending a fortune would be a miniled monitor

[dusk knot]

Why not ....

[icy ore]

Theo can just give me 4090

[dusk knot]

OLED?

[misty sparrow]

oh wow JP has nothing listed in the parentheses now, that’s new

[pliant berry]

tbh I am having a lot of horrible stuttering in games already and I don't think upgrading to a 4k panel will help with that.. with that said I don't see any real candidates for a meaningful upgrade so whatever

[mortal grail]

Like the $190 xv275u on B&H that I was telling everyone and their mother to buy

[sage sluice]

Because i dont care enough about my pc to get one

[dusk knot]

Oh ok

[sage sluice]

When the price difference is 300 bucks

[dusk knot]

Do what makes you happy

[misty sparrow]

You could follow the meta and put “Waiting for GTA6” in the blank space in your username just saying

[sage sluice]

Thats the one im considering lmao

[mortal grail]

Buy it

[pliant berry]

im glad they are finally releasing more 4k oled panels at 27" instead of 32

[frigid stag]

I care too much about my eyes to get one apparently they have flicker

[mortal grail]

If you want better buy before jan 20

Don't wait much longer

That sale won't stick around

[sage sluice]

Isnt that just not having a consistent framerate?

[frigid stag]

No

[sage sluice]

Idk enough about va panel flicker lol

[frigid stag]

Oled not va

[misty sparrow]

-# actually now that I think about it I wonder if the tariff will affect monitors too

[sage sluice]

Oh i was talking about the mini

[mortal grail]

It will

[sage sluice]

Not oled

[frigid stag]

Oh

[mortal grail]

All electronics I'm very sure

[frigid stag]

Ye va has other downsides but no flicker

Some have smearing tho

[misty sparrow]

So will basically everything go up in price

[frigid stag]

And ghosting

[misty sparrow]

Because

[sage sluice]

Idm a little smearing

[misty sparrow]

A lot of even US-made products like the iPhone use things from other countries

[dusk knot]

https://youtu.be/xpzufsxtZpA?si=SzIRrDbyt11tp2Fy hands on DlSS 4 with a 5080.

[sage sluice]

That is a LOT of money in tariff

[misty sparrow]

and we can’t get prices w/ taxes included on price listings

someone think of me i don’t wanna pull up a tax calculator

[sage sluice]

A 1.25x increase with tax is going to be insane

Not to mention i very much doubt any of that tariff money is going to help anybody but rich ass blokes

[pliant berry]

not sure how much that would help rich people

[sage sluice]

I mean the government mainly

And the military probs

[pliant berry]

I think someone calculated it out to cover about a week or less of government expenditures per year

[sage sluice]

😭

Thats insane

[pliant berry]

imo it's just to shift where certain business is conducted

[sage sluice]

Then what even is the point of the tariffs other than to reduce import

[sage sluice]

Thats what would make the most sense here i suppose

[mortal grail]

Wow that video actually had a lot

So dlss 4 is 40 series compatible

Makes sense cos 50 series is ada refresh

[dusk knot]

As with 30 and 20 series

[mortal grail]

Yes but not frame gen for those

[dusk knot]

Yeah

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

The transformer model is interesting

[dusk knot]

None

[mortal grail]

I'm impressed by this ngl

[dusk knot]

Theo_happy

[proud jackal]

Jensen wants to talk to you in the back

[dusk knot]

He's going to give me a free 5090?

[mortal grail]

Transformer model might be the incentive the market needs to make frame gen better

Still not all happy about it tho

Frame buffering still adds a big latency hit

[sage sluice]

I just checked and it looks like the sale might be over?

[mortal grail]

That's a fat rip if it is

Hopefully next gen dlss fixes the frame buffering issue

The latency hit is enormous

Frame gen where, frame gen has no caveat, I'd be all for that

But for now it remains better but still a single player game QoL feature it seems

[sage sluice]

Nobody is buying it at this price

[sage sluice]

Omg it wont send

[rigid sinew]

good morning everyoneeeeeeee

[sage sluice]

Mornin

[lofty field]

Guys when i turn on my pc my gpu fan spin at 100% and nothing shows on my screen + vga lamp is at solid red

I dont have integrated gpu i cant use my pc anymore 😭

[mortal grail]

Rip, you still have one last chance
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kJP8TW/aoc-q27g3xmn-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-q27g3xmn

It's not quite as good relatively speaking but still good

[median frigate]

How bad is it for my gpu to be -3 degrees

💀

[mortal grail]

Not at all

Just watch for dew point

You can get moisture at those temps

And moisture is bad

Not the temp itself

[median frigate]

Okay good lmao, I left it in my car and it's like -3 out where I am

[mortal grail]

If it feels damp then leave it to dry where warm for a few hours it'll be fine

[prisma mountain]

It doesn't make that much sense though. Because in 4 years you'll have a new president who can change tariffs on their own. So, the question becomes: will capital invest in the infrastructure and labor domestically to compete with foreign imports all because of a 4 year increase in prices to foreign imports? Will they gamble on the tariffs being permanent if they need a permanent edge to compete with foreign producers? Do we have infrastructure in place to produce what is being tariffed, or will capital have to build it from scratch, and how long would it take them to get up and running and introduce domestic competition at scale?

[sage sluice]

already looked at that one lol since it got recommended to me when it was still 210

i was thinking about it then the price went back up

[mortal grail]

The ships are sailing lad

[sage sluice]

i shoulda pulled the trigger earlier tbh

might wait for any actual price drops, i can handle one monitor

[paper verge]

arent they airtight ?

[sage sluice]

even with tariffs

[mortal grail]

Not at all

In a box and bag sure

[median frigate]

I'm finally selling my gpu from my first ever build, paid 600$ for it and selling it for 130$ 😭

[mortal grail]

Not on their own

[paper verge]

in a bag?

[mortal grail]

Anti static bags

Gpus arrive in them

[paper verge]

i thought the sealant used on ihs was supposed to make it airtight

[mortal grail]

Ihs on a gpu?

[paper verge]

cpu

bruh

[median frigate]

I've sold stuff with no anti static bag and never had an Issue

[paper verge]

istg i heard this someplace

[mortal grail]

We're talking gpu

[median frigate]

They use clam shells

[mortal grail]

CPUs are different

[paper verge]

oh im soo stupid

[mortal grail]

^this

[paper verge]

sorry

[mortal grail]

It ok

I noticed it lol

Cpus are easy cos you pop them in the clamshell, bubble wrap bag and post for nothing

[pliant berry]

it will take years. but there have been many incentives to move production to domestic. I would say it's not just about competition but specifically turmoil with china as both the us and china have been rapidly increasing efforts to shift all major chip manufacturing to domestic since so much of our infrastructures rely on it

[dusk knot]

https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-rtx5080-o16g-gaming/ HMM

[paper verge]

i knew i heard this somewhere

[median frigate]

^make shift clam shell 💀

[pliant berry]

no matter the presidency I think they all see a threat approaching but they take whichever approach they see fit

speaking of clamshell I am having a really hard time getting clamshell mode to work properly on my macbook

[mortal grail]

See he says that but then says rice which implies water is still a problem lol

Yes they are airtight, really any electronics are ok with water and no power involved

The point being you dry them off later

Since water is still an issue even on the surface

[paper verge]

interesting

[median frigate]

Water conducts the power but no power means ur good

[mortal grail]

This is why dishwashing keyboards is a thing lmao

You can do that for a lot of things as long as they dry after

GN recommends a week for this

I'd say it depends but the rule is good

[median frigate]

Mac books user 😳

[paper verge]

i actually had to do that once

i was designing my own and by mistake had a cap the wrong way in

so it exploded lol

[pliant berry]

yeah I have been using my macbook more often lately

[mortal grail]

Oh wait

I get it

[paper verge]

im not sure if i'll get some kinda cancer or thing

[mortal grail]

It took me a moment

[paper verge]

the crap inside went in my food and everything

[mortal grail]

Oh god like a capacitor

[paper verge]

had to throw everything out

[mortal grail]

Oh god yeah

Good call

[paper verge]

world of electronics lol

[mortal grail]

Always use a mask for building/repairing boards lol

[paper verge]

funny enough had a whole circuit get soo hot you could see the pcb lines melting cause i didnt have a cap

[mortal grail]

I guess you learned a lot

That's always a good thing

[paper verge]

stuff happens when you do that kinda stuff for long time

[paper verge]

i wouldnt do that but the one thing i tell everyone is never look a circuit from up top

those caps exploding is actually very scary

sounds like a shotgun shell and the thing goes up like crazy

unless yk you invest in good quality caps

[mortal grail]

I'd be worried about inhalant

Or plastic smell

That kinda thing

[paper verge]

its nothing to concerning

[mortal grail]

Makes sense tho, I'll wear goggles next time I practice lol

[paper verge]

its certainly not better than flux but still

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah I don't enjoy any of the smells

Lmfao

[paper verge]

the stuff inside the cap i was more concered about

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah I mean also in general

The cap story is wild lol

[pliant berry]

i love the smell of burning electronics

[paper verge]

just check the top of the cap

[paper verge]

that'll give you a 50% chance of it going in your eye cause it might be a defect lol (if it has those "protection" lines)_

[mortal grail]

I'll just wear goggles 😂

I have like 5 sets

I'll look like I'm skiing but I'll be safe

Reminds me of that pc building meme

[paper verge]

grounding is such a joke lol

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

@rigid sinew pls reserve one Asus rog astral 5090 for me pls

[rigid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-fascinating-interesting-fake-sure-gif-4110253572494542171

[mortal grail]

Makes the 40 series strix look like puberty

[dusk knot]

🤨

[pliant berry]

naht about to make some side hustle money

[rigid sinew]

i do make side hustle money

[mortal grail]

Whoa

Wait can I sell to theo too

@proud jackal buy my 4090

[dusk knot]

Good taste. best looking card so far

[proud jackal]

HUH

[mortal grail]

Is that not how this works

Oh I get it

Mb mb

Buy my 4090, pls

[fresh timber]

I’ll buy for $5

Seriously tho, I’d buy for $1000-1200 if I had the cash

[mortal grail]

I wouldn't sell for 1200

[fresh timber]

Msrp $1600

Scalper

[mortal grail]

Yeah but street value is not 1200 rn

[fresh timber]

Scalperrrr

[mortal grail]

I'll just keep keeping until the perfect day comes

[fresh timber]

But 5090

[rigid sinew]

the mole i had on my palm is going away

im so sad

[dusk knot]

That's good

[fresh timber]

L

I have one up to the left of my lip

[rigid sinew]

no its not 😦 me and my lil bro had matching moles on our palms

i have a mole on my lip

[fresh timber]

My mom says people would kill to have one their

[rigid sinew]

very marilyn monroe of you

[fresh timber]

Who?

joke

[rigid sinew]

[dusk knot]

Oh I see.

Get a permanent marker or tattoo it lol

[rigid sinew]

hahahah i have a tattoo machine

i do not recommend but i do have one

[dusk knot]

Huh

[rigid sinew]

to do a mole myself

i have my own machine

[dusk knot]

do what you have to do

[rigid sinew]

nahhh its ok me and my lil bro look a like - thats enough

[dusk knot]

🙂

[mortal grail]

Don't tell him it's been replaced until like 20 years from now see if he notices

[fresh timber]

Mole

[mortal grail]

Be really funny at that point

[fresh timber]

I wanna Tat if my girlfriends name

[rigid sinew]

hahahhahahahah thats a good idea

[fresh timber]

And if we breakup I’ll cry about it

[rigid sinew]

wait until youre married

[proud jackal]

[fresh timber]

Marriage

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

[rigid sinew]

i had a friend who swore up and down this girl was the love of his life - he tattooed her name on his chest , they broke up a month after bc she cheated on him and he had to tattoo void after that

[fresh timber]

How he cover it

[rigid sinew]

he put void in red over her name

ill try to draw it rn