general-chat

[hoary zodiac]

And compare it to the HD 530

Do I benchmark it with encoding something with handbrake?

Or something else

[fresh timber]

im transcoding on a rx6600

your prob fine

[pliant berry]

here is a nice chart for ya

https://www.elpamsoft.com/?p=Plex-Hardware-Transcoding

HEVC is h265

[hoary zodiac]

1060 6GB is actually pretty good value looking at the charts

At least at 1080p

[fresh timber]

a310 for $100 tho

single slot too

[hoary zodiac]

the 1060 is $0

I'll probably take a chance on HD 530

I have a hunch that it's gonna outperform the 1060

[worn wave]

Then you get AV1 😍

[icy ore]

Wouldn’t be hard to out perform it at this point

Doodoo garbage card

[hoary zodiac]

well it is a kaby lake igpu

I suspect it'll outperform the 1060 in h265 encoding/decoding performance

[fresh timber]

test and find out

transcode the same file

[hoary zodiac]

Might be a tad bit political for this server

[devout forum]

TFW you pay 100% cost for 90% the bandwidth

[hoary zodiac]

Maybe the isp was like "it rounds up to 1gbps"

[tranquil pebble]

or ISP modem can't handle more than 900 mbps over ethernet

[gleaming rivet]

This looks like my speeds. What ya pay per month?

[gleaming rivet]

Yeah the company I go through provides Gigabit Speeds*
*max 900mbps with DOCSIS 3.1 capable modem/router

[gleaming rivet]

Likely. His speeds mirror my own and with the modem we have, it only supports 900mbps.

The company likely doesn't have fiber out to his place anyways.

[tranquil pebble]

that should be the rough limit of 1G ethernet

[gleaming rivet]

aye

[fresh timber]

might be ur cable

[fresh timber]

sounds normal

[gleaming rivet]

Given they are a techy, I imagine they have good cables.

[fresh timber]

they should know link speed

not even pushin gigabit through a local connection cause cable isnt linking at gigabit

[gleaming rivet]

Hm. idk. I know I have a 3ft cat6 cable that is more than enough for 1gigabit speed.

Typically the modems provided for gigabit internet come with cat6

but 50mbps lower than what is "advertised" isn't a huge deal for me lol

now if I was paying for 100mbps and only getting 50mbps, then I'd be throwing a fit

[fresh timber]

thats alot of isps

[tranquil pebble]

link speed also depends on both ends of the link. 1 gbps is also the hard max not what real world conditions produce

[gleaming rivet]

Aye. tbf my isp does state that they can provide up to 900mbps on the "gigabit plan"

[fresh timber]

they list the typical speeds in the product section

[misty sparrow]

riot for that extra 100mbps

go to war

[gleaming rivet]

lol

[fresh timber]

remind me to buy new cables so i can true gigabit

[misty sparrow]

500Mbps is enough for me

[fresh timber]

i wish i had a gigabit isp

[gleaming rivet]

This is with my wife streaming netflix and myself using PC.

[tranquil pebble]

you wont get true gigabit without a modem with at least a 2.5G Ethernet on it

and same for the other end as well

[gleaming rivet]

In the research I did, that's what I found out as well

[fresh timber]

not if ur doing a local network

[gleaming rivet]

You don't want a 2.5G modem if you are only getting 1G internet anyways

[fresh timber]

erm they gave me a 2.5gig one

[tranquil pebble]

false. 1G ethernet can not transmit at a full gigabit of actual data transfer. It is a little less

[fresh timber]

iv had a cable pull a gig, maybe a lil more before

[gleaming rivet]

Awesome. I just meant that if you go buy your own.. it's a waste of money.

[fresh timber]

if i dont expect to upgrade past gig dont bother

aka 99% of people

[tranquil pebble]

likely was a 2.5G link speed then and something else was bottlenecking it

[fresh timber]

nah, just gigabit

super short cables tho

[gleaming rivet]

A lot of people don't realize. They see bigger number and buy it because they think it'll be faster.

[tranquil pebble]

oh well that could explain it too

[fresh timber]

iperf3 hit like 1020mbps ish

3ft cables are fun

[tranquil pebble]

you have virtually no signal attenuation with super short cables

[fresh timber]

very good value for the price

[gleaming rivet]

Well.. in my research.. a 3ft cable vs a 12ft cable and even a 20ft cable (if good quality), doesn't effect the data transfer.

So whether 3ft or 20ft, you are going to have the same rate

[fresh timber]

i needa get a longer cable, i have to use a broken one for my pc rn

i moved my ap/switch to a diffrent spot

[gleaming rivet]

You don't start getting slowdowns until 300ish ft

[tranquil pebble]

make an Ethernet cable with silver wires and you'd have a very expensive cable with very low signal attenuation

[tranquil pebble]

assuming a quality cable

[gleaming rivet]

right. Which I mentioned

[fresh timber]

i have 3ft cab6a cables for my stuff, then a random ahh cat5e that goes to my pc

6a is nice

o then i have a cat6a going from my moca to my switch/ap

[tranquil pebble]

cat5e is IMO the absolute minimum that should be used

[fresh timber]

really no point to go cheaper

6a is the minumal i tell people i care about to buy

[gleaming rivet]

aye. and honestly, if you aren't running longer than 20ft, no reason for cat6a either

[fresh timber]

get the right price and its worth, and if ur pushing more than gig

[gleaming rivet]

Cat6 is fine for pushing more than a gig though. But you are right. If it's a good price and quality then may as well, but it'd have to be close to the same price as cat6 for me to consider it

There really is only 1 reason for cat6a (for consumers) and that's if running cable over 180ft.. which most consumers would not be doing.

[fresh timber]

6 and 6a are too closeley pricced for me to wanna go 6

[fresh timber]

in my opinion its what should be run in the walls of new homes

[gleaming rivet]

Why though?

[fresh timber]

longest distance for up to 10gig, we wont know how netwokring is in the future

in 50 years who knows might be used, might be used to pull new cabling

[gleaming rivet]

I suppose that'd make sense if new builds included ethernet like that, but in all the new builds I've installed flooring.. I haven't seen a single ethernet cable.

[fresh timber]

sad

my mama might be buying a home next year and ima stick ethenet in the wall

[gleaming rivet]

That'd be fine and dandy, but cables in walls have to be stapled to the studs. No loose wires. So pulling new wires wouldn't be doable.

[fresh timber]

even with conduit?

[gleaming rivet]

not with conduit, but I rarely see that as well.

[fresh timber]

conduit seems to be a homelabbers dream

[gleaming rivet]

Conduit is typically used in business though.

But for homes, it's simply a cost that contractors skip to make more profit.

[tranquil pebble]

just run a raceway along the walls

[fresh timber]

flat cable and stuff it underfloorboards

[gleaming rivet]

Unless someone bought the house as it was being built and requested conduit, contractors aren't going to put it in.

[fresh timber]

flat cable bad bad, but better than wifi

[gleaming rivet]

That being said.. When I remodel my house this summer, I will be running conduit xD

I will also be rewiring my house from top/bottom/front/back

[fresh timber]

if ur home is poo and doesnt have ethernet but has coax, live saver

i use this for our appartment to get net in my room, straight magic

[gleaming rivet]

I'm actually going to put speakers in my walls so I can have music all throughout

[fresh timber]

o lord

for me i just want the basment so i can rack put a rack

[gleaming rivet]

Yeah I did the floor in this house that had them. Looked sleek as hell and they let me take it over while I was working. Was so legit

Their surround system was built into the walls as well. In their living room, bedroom, guest room and 2nd living room lol

[fresh timber]

o lordd

[gleaming rivet]

I never saw a sub, but there was plenty of bass

[fresh timber]

is it smart enough where you can pick which rooms ur audio goes to and such

one day we will have an audio setup that tracks your location and tunes the audio to follow you

[gleaming rivet]

I'd imagine so. There was some sort of dealio in the wall in each room connected to the speaker system

touch screen that let them control whatever

[fresh timber]

ooo

movie nights must be fire

[gleaming rivet]

I imagine they set up "profiles" so they could select which speakers got power.

[fresh timber]

each rooms prob programed yeah

imagin blasting music through the entire house

[gleaming rivet]

I'd be in heaven

I'm constantly moving throughout my house and hate when a good song is on and I have to mob to the other side and can't hear it as well.

[fresh timber]

im parcial to sepakers

iv been fineding my self using my monitor speakesrs more than my iems

[gleaming rivet]

What I don't know about yet though is the bass. It was heavy. Good and punchy, but like I said I didn't see any sub. The whole house was cleared out so I could do their floor

[fresh timber]

get a sub in ur room

[devout forum]

I'm not the one paying for it so I'd have to dig out a receipt, but it's not awful

it do be Hungary tho

[devout forum]

So fun story
Not only do we not have fiber out, we still use the old TV coax cables for internet here

and the Cat6 cables in the wall are cheap stuff, but it works

and my cable to the router is like over 10 feet long so IDK

[misty sparrow]

i think my cable is 25foot when the actual distance is roughly seven

[devout forum]

To elaborate on this
The ISP connects us to the intermediary switch with coax cable that was already laid to the property
And the ISP router has the cable translator in it to provide us with Ethernet connections on the router itself

Also we have 3 PCs and a smart TV connected to the network already

[fresh timber]

same!

its called docsis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS

[devout forum]

Huh

TMYK

[fresh timber]

lmfao

its very popular

i haev docsis 3.1

[devout forum]

I might be a techie but I am not even close to knowing everything

I'm also a very new techie still

[fresh timber]

it goes up to 4.0 which can do 10gig down, like 7gig up or something crazy

but only a select few big citys have it ;/ us plebs are stuck with 3.1

[devout forum]

Like I never heard of the RTX 2000E Ada Generaton until now

[fresh timber]

also fun fact, dcosis 3.1 is capable of gig upload speeds but the way they implment it doesnt let them

[devout forum]

neato

also

damn that's a lot of money for effectively a 4060

[fresh timber]

diffrent use case

its a workstation type gpu

[mortal grail]

[misty sparrow]

"work" purposes

[devout forum]

Still I mean

I can literally buy a 4070S for that money

Speaking of which a 4070S costs the same as a 7900 XT here

which is let's say

[fresh timber]

gaming card, not as stable, less vram in 4070s, 7900xt for workstation task? hehe your funny

also its bigger

[devout forum]

oh no I'm just trying to find a gaming GPU, ran into the 2000E and had no idea what it was

I'm mainly lamenting the super high prices here

[fresh timber]

high to you. not high to the business buying them ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[devout forum]

I mean yeah that is fair

I'm looking at it as an enduser

[fresh timber]

one day 4070s will drop to $300 and ill snipe

[proud jackal]

[fresh timber]

3/2.5 slot 4070 super plz ❤️

[tranquil pebble]

3 slot 5010

[fresh timber]

ill take it

tiny gpus look poo in my case

[tranquil pebble]

I had a dream once that I was mining RuneScape ores and eating them

[misty sparrow]

I had a scary dream once that I got a GF

[gleaming rivet]

Rip. Mining was so boring. Yet I somehow enjoyed woodcutting.

[tranquil pebble]

They made it kinda worse with a stamina system

and smithing takes forever now too

[gleaming rivet]

That was with the smithing rework right?

[tranquil pebble]

yeah

[gleaming rivet]

Yeah, I got my MasterCraft armour and never looked back

I haven't played in a long while though. Last thing I remember, I was really into ed2

[tranquil pebble]

I also found that the old Stronghold of Security is still there but no longer asks you questions to pass the gates

[gleaming rivet]

Now you got me wanting to load it up

[tranquil pebble]

I noticed that its easier to make money ingame now too

probably from massive bot purges causing stuff like logs to shoot up in price on the ge

[tacit geode]

[fresh timber]

Let’s have some fun

[mortal grail]

The point is it's tailored not for gaming

Hyper optimised cards despite their spec and performance in games perform much different in work

This is the whole reason they exist, they're specialists at their field, like gaming cards are

[devout forum]

I mean yeah, I was just surprised at how much it is

But I'm sure in a baller Plex server it'd pull good work

[hoary zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839021258262708274/1325411743970754590/8e40ee8c-5add-485d-8128-82d6ba5a4a32.jpg?ex=677bb160&is=677a5fe0&hm=67b652a8ffcafc7b1a93801fff029dc70cc4779d532c4f85dbf630aa54d47f1e&

blower cards

this takes me way back

sadly it's an oem one

I want one of these just on my shelf

the FE flagships always looked cool

until they got rid of the cool texturing since turing

better cooling but looks meh

[cedar compass]

Winter Storm warning

[devout forum]

At the same price
Trident Z5 RGB 2×14 7200 CL36
vs
Fury Beast RGB 2×32 6000 CL36

I feel like even 48 gigs would be overkill, but still

[mortal grail]

Neither of those should be cheapest

Also

Neither of those cos cl36

[devout forum]

hm?

[devout forum]

there are cheaper 32 gig options yes
I'm asking beyond 32 gigs

[mortal grail]

I'm talking at any capacity

[devout forum]

is CL36 bad?

I thought 7200 has to be Hynix

[mortal grail]

At those MT/s it is

[mortal grail]

<CL34 at 7200

[devout forum]

Damn

not even 34 is guaranteed?

[mortal grail]

CL36 can be micron B

[devout forum]

wack

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-on-floor-gif-27026755

[devout forum]

G.SKILL 48GB Ripjaws S5 6400MHz CL32 must be Hynix then

and it's unironically the cheapest DDR5 kit above 32 gigs

[frigid stag]

If you want cheap ram there’s a 8000 viper extreme kit for like 130

[devout forum]

sadly not RGB tho

[mortal grail]

It will be

[devout forum]

everything is more expensive around here

[frigid stag]

Ah

[devout forum]

so 8000 viper extreme won't be 130

I can check tho

[mortal grail]

Also 48GB per $ not as worth as 32 yet

Or 64

24gbit chips not common enough for aligned pricing

[devout forum]

CL38???

for the Viper Extreme

[mortal grail]

8000 is hynix

[devout forum]

8200

[mortal grail]

Regardless of the cas

[devout forum]

It's just I can't remember seeing CL38 XMP timings yet in DDR5

[mortal grail]

It could be 8000 cl60 and it's still hynix

[devout forum]

fair

[mortal grail]

There's no real point to this tho, just go with a basic sub CL32 kit

Hynix M.is fine for AM5

[devout forum]

I was initially asking if there is a benefit going 48 gigs

but then rabbit hole happened

[mortal grail]

It exists like only for star citizen

[devout forum]

cuz there are guaranteed Hynix kits for both 48 and 64 at around the same price

Though that "same price" is not the lowest price

[mortal grail]

And I mean if you're interested in star citizen and also spending thousands on an alpha game then yes 64gb

Otherwise just go with simple 32gb h16m

Or gamba cl46 Teamgroups

[devout forum]

TEAM GROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL30 KIT for 51 890 Ft

it's THE cheapest guaranteed Hynix kit with lighting I can see basically anywhere

[mortal grail]

Then go with that

[devout forum]

Aite

[wind quail]

Oopsies
https://youtu.be/N_UYFXsHIHE

[mortal grail]

None of mine nice

[hoary zodiac]

Chromium based browsers smh

[wind quail]

Could have happened to any extension devs lol was a phishing attack

[cedar compass]

[elfin mural]

looks like enabling async compute even on nvidia gpu is beneficial

rdr2 no longer stutters

perfect

vsync seems to be causing my issue instead huh

okay then game

[storm narwhal]

Yah I always have it on

[hoary zodiac]

Is it worth transcoding dvds with h265 instead of h264?

[storm narwhal]

Its technically more space efficient I think

And its meant to be higher quality

[velvet summit]

Now that I think about it, won't the tariffs also affect car parts

Imagine if brake pads get more expensive

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

It's electronics specific

So cars with computer parts for sure

Smart fridges

Smart appliances tbh

[velvet summit]

Abs modules becoming more expensive

[devout forum]

Huh

Any storage experts around here?

[velvet summit]

Ok, so no need to worry about brake pads then lmao

Shred those tires and it'll (possibly) cost the same

Just don't replace the tpms

[mortal grail]

Inb4 the machines to make them use geforce for some reason

[velvet summit]

Ong

Need those rtx tires

Ai generated tread pattern

[mortal grail]

Ray tracing my loss of grip into a tree at 8K

[devout forum]

Found a "used" (read: it was formatted once, 100/100 reading) Samsung enterprise SSD for 140k HUF
Part number: MZ7LH7T6HMLA-00005

[mortal grail]

Oh god idk

[velvet summit]

Ah yes I remember that exact part number frfr

[devout forum]

It's apparently a PM338

[mortal grail]

Like asking me which acer model monitor it is

[devout forum]

lol

[velvet summit]

[devout forum]

I just copied it off the picture the guy provided

[mortal grail]

Think that one's mid from memory

[devout forum]

it's the 8tb PM338

[mortal grail]

Ok nope no clue

Not a single idea

[devout forum]

but it also costs like half that of a brand new 8tb QVO drive

[mortal grail]

Why you looking for 8TB

[devout forum]

I was just looking around what's out ther

[mortal grail]

PM883

Got no idea

[devout forum]

and it looked like a possible deal

oh my bad

Wrote the number wrong kek

[devout forum]

apparently it's 2018 enterprise tech
Low power use for the size

[mortal grail]

Don't ask me ask in storage

Before my time

[devout forum]

oh sure thing, wasn't asking you in particular

[mortal grail]

Anything prior to 2020 is a blank in my head

Scarce and limited info cos I didn't live it

[devout forum]

I'm just seeing if anyone has an idea
64 layer, 3 bit/cell TLC V-NAND, 10 nm LPDDR4 cached, SATA 3.3 with Disabled Power (PWDIS)
550 MB/s sequential reads, 520 MB/s writes. Random 4K block read 98 000 IOPSrandom 4k write 28 000 IOPS, 10 932 TBW endurance

[mortal grail]

Ok that might be good

[velvet summit]

June 2019 hmm

[mortal grail]

Dram tlc is a good sign

[devout forum]

It's a Samsung drive kek

[proud jackal]

is 5090 out yet

[mortal grail]

Samsung means nothing

[devout forum]

PM883 is the type

[frigid stag]

Oh I didn’t see that lol

[devout forum]

kek

[velvet summit]

I too have never heard of samsung

[mortal grail]

If anything samsung makes me MORE concerned

[velvet summit]

Are they an insurance company

[mortal grail]

May as well be with the way they handle after sales

[velvet summit]

[devout forum]

it's a big, DRAM TLC SATA drive

[velvet summit]

(they actually sell life insurance in South Korea)

[devout forum]

it is enterprise stuff from what I found, so that's good(?...)

[mortal grail]

They probably deny every single claim

[velvet summit]

Real

[mortal grail]

This is a positive sign

[mortal grail]

Means nothing

Reviews will tell you if it's good

[devout forum]

then again

10k TBW

[mortal grail]

Or the storage guys will know

It's also used so it won't be as advertised

[devout forum]

Looks like it runs both as PM883 and 883 DCT

[devout forum]

It seems to review about average

Nothing exceptional but also nothing egregious

Right about where most SATA SSDs line up

it's just
The same price as a new in box 4tb, but has double the capacity while seemingly being almost entirely unused

[velvet summit]

No way, a SSD with dual clutch transmission?!

[devout forum]

lol

but ye

I think it's an alright deal that will serve me for a long time (hopefully)

I'll save it for later

[storm narwhal]

Got a point there

[sinful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in-sussy4k-omgomg-gif-21922925

[velvet summit]

3090s? are we living in 2020 ong frfr

[frigid stag]

3090 Ti

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[pliant berry]

lets keep this pg please

[frigid stag]

It’s just the gigachad meme

[pliant berry]

not that, whoever posted it knows

[frigid stag]

Oh

[mortal grail]

I was waiting for that

Had a feeling

[craggy shoal]

I love Pi Hole

[deep parcel]

lol the octopus one

[stark wedge]

Shrimple easy question, changing mobo and cpu for first time on a pc (ive had this pc prebuilt, only changed ssd, gpu, ram and that's about it before) How long would it probably take 😭

[velvet summit]

probably like 2 hours since you're gonna practically disassemble and reassemble the whole pc

2-4 hours depending on if you run into some issues like with getting the 24 pin out of the mobo lol

some mobos/psu cables are really hard to get out

[stark wedge]

ooo alr ty! hopefully ill have luck later/tommorow when i do it

[tacit geode]

Nerds

[icy ore]

Nerds are good

[tacit geode]

yes

never said they were bad

[mortal grail]

You're not

@wind quail

OBLITERATE!

https://tenor.com/view/exodia-yu-gi-oh-gif-14913677

[wind quail]

ya yeet

kbye

[sinful blade]

I was gonna say eat my butt but you did your job faster

[dusk knot]

????

[mortal grail]

Eat my butt jp

[sinful blade]

No eat MY butt jp

[tacit geode]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-what-gif-25782225

[cedar compass]

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/dramatic-entrance-cherokee-bill-the-harder-they-fall-stare-zoom-in-gif-22109227

[sinful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-stanley-did-i-stutter-sarcasm-gif-3537210

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/there-can-be-only-one-gif-17652867202966242006

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-optimus-prime-one-shall-stand-one-shall-fall-one-winner-gif-22070433

[nocturne flicker]

Michigans mentioned

If you get them from a restaurant they should be all beef hot dogs or red hots

Though you can make them any style at home

Also chopped onions is a standard topping as well, either over or under the meat

[rancid juniper]

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-first-look-at-geforce-rtx-5090-with-32gb-gddr7-memory

[nocturne flicker]

Also if you are really lazy, you can just use a can of sloppy joe mix and add some seasonings

[rancid juniper]

fat brick ah fifty NINETY

[mortal grail]

3.5 slot makes it smaller than my suprim

So it's gonna be a warm boi at 600W

[rancid juniper]

🔥

nvidia customers be like:

[dusk knot]

Waiting for the strix 5090

😩

[sweet phoenix]

Mfw you can buy 3 used 4080s for the price of the 5090

[rancid juniper]

✅

[sweet phoenix]

Genuinely might be suggesting dual gpus again for certain workstation tasks

[dusk knot]

$2599 will be the norm pricing

[mortal grail]

I didn't think of that

You're right

God damn I gotta educate myself on Xeon/threadripper now

[sage sluice]

i cant wait to not spend my money on overpriced junk

[rancid juniper]

Dang wtf happened, no display outta nowhere... Gotta restart PC then

[dusk knot]

There's nothing wrong with the hardware

Just the company

[rancid juniper]

Lol

[sage sluice]

ofc theres nothing wrong with the hardware

except for the fact it costs stupid money

which is why its junk

🙏

[sweet phoenix]

2x used 4080s for the cost of a 5080 lol

And twice the vram collectively

[mortal grail]

Fr

[sweet phoenix]

For workloads that can use dual gpus thats far better

I just hope amds gpus are somewhat reasonable. The less reasonable nvidia prices are, the less reasonable theirs will be imo

[sage sluice]

nvidia consumer side is slowly not becoming consumer

well not very slowly

[sweet phoenix]

We all thought 7000 series was going to be far better value than 40 series, yet it wasn't too far off

[rancid juniper]

Ok display is working through integrated graphics, lmfao did my Radeon card decided to go to sleep?

[sweet phoenix]

It was certainly better value, but nothing like the rumors and leaks were saying

[mortal grail]

The world of duopolies are a nightmare only just setting in these last 2 years

[rancid juniper]

lol ok asrock

here we go again

[nocturne flicker]

It isn't even a duopoly. It is a monopoly with a straggler trying to mimic the monopoly

[fresh nova]

Asrock

The only board I ever had blow up on me

"pop" andddd it's dead.

cap blew right quick

[rancid juniper]

wtf??? Are the PCIE slots failing???

[fresh nova]

If you guys have never had a capacitor blow up while you're right next to a motherboard you should try it, it's an exhilarating experience.

[nocturne flicker]

Can confirm is fun

[fresh nova]

Oh boy

When was the last time you ran a sfc/scannow

[rancid juniper]

not too long ago, there was no corruptions

[fresh nova]

Oh boy

[rancid juniper]

all nvme are working so thats fine

[fresh nova]

I'm trying to think what that could be.

Any codes on the motherboard?

[rancid juniper]

no the motherboard boots fine

[mortal grail]

Run it again rq

[rancid juniper]

problem started when i was scrolling through a website, right clicked, and poof black screen no display

alr

[mortal grail]

I think your undervolt might be too low

[rancid juniper]

do you mean my CPU?

[fresh nova]

Sounds like a major possible memory issue, I ain't know you undervolted....You might need to add like .1v

[rancid juniper]

i doubt it can be ram corruption as i thoroughly tested everything

no BSODs

[fresh nova]

I know I've had memory issues result in the past with black boxes / black screen flashes

[mortal grail]

Did you have an eventlog error

[rancid juniper]

mmm not sure

[mortal grail]

Go check event viewer again

[mortal grail]

That's not an eventlog

It'll be error/critical

And some type of bugcheck, bsod, or kernel 141 "The system shutdown unexpectedly"

[rancid juniper]

this is when i force restart pc

[mortal grail]

Ok good enough

Power error

Can you open hwinfo and show me the +12v readout

[fresh nova]

Please tell me you have HWINFO?

[mortal grail]

He does

[fresh nova]

Thank the lord

[mortal grail]

Actually looks good

Ok so increase your vcore if you're still undervolted

[fresh nova]

Ya only thing that really looks super low is vcore

[rancid juniper]

ok

[fresh nova]

RAM is within margin

[mortal grail]

I'd consider trying new gpu cables if that increase doesn't work @rancid juniper

It's power

[fresh nova]

Then again I run my ram volted high but that's for different reasons.

[rancid juniper]

alr

[mortal grail]

So something plugged in fed a bad power signal, tripped the board/psu into death

Could be up or down cos you're undervolting

[rancid juniper]

fans and system was still running when there was no display, i should've switched to igpu before i shut my pc down

[mortal grail]

Just increase it

Like 0.05

[rancid juniper]

k

[mortal grail]

Then reinstall radeon drivers

[rancid juniper]

did not know an undervolted cpu will trip up the pcie slots like that

[mortal grail]

?ddu

[topaz crown]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[rancid juniper]

i was about to blame my wifi card

lmfao

[rancid juniper]

ye ik that

[mortal grail]

When you don't feed a cpu enough voltage anything can happen

[rancid juniper]

👀

damn and i thought my UV was stable after many hours of testing

[lone mango]

Fr

[fresh nova]

Same as an overvolted CPU overheating

Instability

[rancid juniper]

wait wait, lemme do an occt 5 minute run first if you don't mind

[fresh nova]

https://tenor.com/view/weighting-balance-justice-gif-13170076

[mortal grail]

Me after months trying to fix my 5900X system, found out it's because voltage droop is too much on old psu cables

[rancid juniper]

hmm which would hammer the UV?

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[mortal grail]

I'm gonna say not to bother testing

It's power

[fresh nova]

woah

That bios looks odd

[rancid juniper]

no its OCCT lol

[mortal grail]

Power I don't have a proper test suggestion for

Occt isn't bad but not reliable enough

[rancid juniper]

ok ill overvolt it a bit and see what happens

[fresh nova]

It's had some updates I ain't seen it in years. lol

[mortal grail]

Not for power anyway

[rancid juniper]

definitely matured

i may have to reinstall wifi card drivers too just in case @mortal grail

[fresh nova]

Then again when I was playing with 10980XE I was using AIDA64 at the time

[mortal grail]

Not surprised cos wireless drivers and audio drivers suck on windows anyway

[fresh nova]

Before Forks put me on Prime95

[rancid juniper]

😂

[mortal grail]

Was he trying to smoke you out of the room

[fresh nova]

Wouldn't doubt it.

[mortal grail]

P95 on that sounds like a power nightmare lmao

[fresh nova]

That was when Forks & I were head & head before he changed leagues & went to LN2

But he had a 9980XE, but it was close enough.

[rancid juniper]

Mmm raptorlake corruption is my favorite

Ok I added .005mv+ (1.095v > 1.100v) gonna start ddu

[mortal grail]

Maybe the cracks are finally taking effect

[mortal grail]

I said 0.05

[rancid juniper]

Shut

Bruh

[mortal grail]

1.045 pls

Bruh yourself

[rancid juniper]

1.045???

[mortal grail]

That's so low

[rancid juniper]

So you want cpu to be 1.15v?

[mortal grail]

You probably can barely run advertised clocks like that

Yes

[rancid juniper]

Yes I can

[mortal grail]

Rule out the possible vector pls

[rancid juniper]

😏

[mortal grail]

Too low of a vcore leads to this kind of issue

Throws me back to my 7th gen laptop

[rancid juniper]

But but the thermals

The power it sucks up

😔

[mortal grail]

Get better cooler

[rancid juniper]

NO

[mortal grail]

I don't make the rules of instability

Lmao

[rancid juniper]

But I'll test it anyways to see if your theory is true (I hope it aint)

[mortal grail]

Yes pls

If you crash again then it's not the undervolt

That's the point

[rancid juniper]

👍

Alr

Ok it sits at 1.150v now, nothing detected still so imma ddu and see what happens

[rough zinc]

What did you do this time Felix

[mortal grail]

Don't look at me

He's the one with the grand canyon crack on the cpu

[rough zinc]

Nuh uh

[mortal grail]

<Would this face lie to u

The answer is yes

[rough zinc]

Yes

[mortal grail]

But not this time

[rancid juniper]

I'm blaming Felix for jinxing my CPU's downfall

[mortal grail]

I take no responsibility for your cpu suplexing

[rancid juniper]

Yea right

No way it decided to take out pcie slots

[mortal grail]

I'd feel pretty crippled with a crack or two myself

[rancid juniper]

When it's too strong

I wonder if moisture went in and touched the card

🤔

[mortal grail]

Stop touching it with ur sweaty hands

[rancid juniper]

The walls are a bit wet tho

[mortal grail]

The what

[rancid juniper]

And hey my hands ain't sweaty

[mortal grail]

[rough zinc]

Felix is the root of all weird issues

[mortal grail]

I didn't wet his walls wtf

[rancid juniper]

Hmm somehow the BT drivers are working but the wifi is not

So the wifi pcie card is half working

Odd

[mortal grail]

Dead wifi checks out given how badly your cpu appeared to crash

[rancid juniper]

😡

[mortal grail]

I'm just telling it like it is

[devout forum]

Hey you got the other half of my broken board lol

Wifi works but BT is shot for me on the mobo

[rancid juniper]

Real

Intel curse

[mortal grail]

Here's where you both reinstall them

Cos wireless and audio drivers suck on windows

[rancid juniper]

Realtek:

[devout forum]

But for me it's integrated and persistent over time and every attempt to fix it

[mortal grail]

Here's the funny part

[devout forum]

It's the same thing that I suffered from if you remember my plight

[mortal grail]

Trying 5 times works the 5th time

[devout forum]

But a USB BT dongle solved my problem so /shrug

[mortal grail]

Keep reinstalling until it clicks

[devout forum]

It's under the VRM heatsink

[mortal grail]

(This is a genuine realtek fix)

[mortal grail]

The driver

[devout forum]

Ah

I tried at least a dozen reinstalls

Nothing fixed it

[mortal grail]

Schrodinger's realtek

[devout forum]

There were times when it KINDA worked for like 15 minutes

But it was so crap

[mortal grail]

Why do I suspect this is just prime being prime all of a sudden

Is it at least a wifi 6 card

[rancid juniper]

Yes

AX210 card

[mortal grail]

His not urs

But ok

[rancid juniper]

I'm seeing an unknown device but since I shut my Ethernet off it requests an install (I'm guessing it's the BT portion)

[mortal grail]

BT: Who am I

https://tenor.com/view/harburg-dubliner-pub-lost-vincent-vega-gif-17168549

[rancid juniper]

Bad troubleshooting

Radeon driver doesn't detect the card

Now trying wifi drivers

[mortal grail]

Did you dee dee uuwuu

[dusk knot]

Funny how the NgreedAi event is when my semester starts

I might not be able to watch it live

[rancid juniper]

WiFi driver is done with no issue, same with bluetooth

[devout forum]

Ye it is
Integrated Wifi 6

[rancid juniper]

Yes, complete restart and everything

[mortal grail]

Tf

Do you have a bios switch

[devout forum]

Wut

Who're you talking to?

[mortal grail]

Frost

[devout forum]

Ah

[rancid juniper]

I don't think so?

[mortal grail]

Check

[rancid juniper]

What does that do?

[mortal grail]

Very important things

Just check

[rancid juniper]

Ok

[mortal grail]

Also download gpu-z and send screenshot

[rancid juniper]

Ooooooooh gpu bios switch, no I got none

It's only a light switch

[mortal grail]

Heh

[rancid juniper]

Not making this up

[mortal grail]

That makes things interesting

[rancid juniper]

Assrock

[mortal grail]

Ok gpu z then

Send ss

[devout forum]

VBIOS flash time?

[rancid juniper]

Na

[devout forum]

Put a 1000w 4090 VBIOS on it

[lone mango]

Fr

[rancid juniper]

Ah yes the 7890XT

[devout forum]

Yes!

Wasn't there a 7970 GPU back then?

Way back

When I was but a wee little lad

[rancid juniper]

@mortal grail

[mortal grail]

Oh are you plugged into the gpu

[rancid juniper]

i gotta open up the pc

ugh

ya, it recieves power and everything ill just reseat both cards and see what happens

[mortal grail]

Wtf zero detection

Go to device manager

[rancid juniper]

something really tripped the pcie slots but the nvme and other components remains unaffected. No corruption on OS either

[mortal grail]

What does it come up with for display adapters

[rancid juniper]

nothing

[mortal grail]

Nothing at all

Tf

[rancid juniper]

hidden devices also shows nothing

ikr

[mortal grail]

Ok power off

[devout forum]

Holy I am old now

HD 7970 was TWELVE YEARS AGO

[mortal grail]

Reseat only gpu, other card out

[devout forum]

Actual wtf

[rancid juniper]

Aight

[mortal grail]

Check again for gpu detection

[rancid juniper]

Would suck if the wifi card wanted to kill all slots

😂

[mortal grail]

If nothing then save settings down and cmos clear

Reload settings

If nothing pcie 3.0 slot 1

[rancid juniper]

Ah not the most annoying bit

[mortal grail]

If nothing try another slot

If nothing gpu might be legit cooked

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/spearhyunho-gif-4429745997606774790

[north crescent]

Save settings to profile so if no worky can set back easily

[rancid juniper]

I literally did nothing, no load on the thing

[rancid juniper]

Ye

[north crescent]

Also see if it shows up in Linux USB bootable

[mortal grail]

It gets power tho which means it's not totally dead whatever's happening

[rancid juniper]

🤔

[tranquil pebble]

Imagine how I feel about my old HD 4890

[rancid juniper]

You're a fossil

[devout forum]

I'm now having an existential crisis over having wanted one when I was like 15

[rancid juniper]

U too are a fossil

[devout forum]

I'm 27 for crying out loud

[rancid juniper]

XD

[tranquil pebble]

32 here

[velvet summit]

I'm thinking Miku Miku ooh ee ooh

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-hatsune-miku-gif-13577308763406185420

[rancid juniper]

I'm seeing a light on my wifi card, I removed my GPU first @mortal grail

[mortal grail]

Wym

Don't walk toward it

[rancid juniper]

Lmfao

Damn wifi still not detected

Gonna remove

[mortal grail]

Eh

Wait neither pcie device detected in either slot??

Ppffftt

@wind quail

[devout forum]

Uh hi?

[rancid juniper]

I didn't try gpu yet

[mortal grail]

Don't

[velvet summit]

Definitely a human

[devout forum]

Oh scammer?

[rancid juniper]

But I'll try using the card in another slot thanks for the reminder

[devout forum]

Or wut

[mortal grail]

Bot most likely

[devout forum]

Actually WTF am I saying I have no idea

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/connor-detroit-become-human-hello-chat-boois-rags-gif-3651723823081311412

[mortal grail]

Lmfaoooo

[devout forum]

Yeah that's ultra sus

[mortal grail]

LMAO

[velvet summit]

[devout forum]

Yeah I'mma do it

@brittle belfry @elfin mural we have one of those folks

Might not be a bot but that's 100% not okay

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-become-human-detroit-androids-public-opinion-down-gif-21880062

[elfin mural]

gone

[devout forum]

Danke

This kids is why you do NOT break Rule 2

[devout forum]

Speedrun too

[unreal trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102940078505984/1244391631369535498/pills.gif

[elfin mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/yeston-teases-sakura-atlantis-gpu-series-likely-debuting-with-geforce-rtx-5080

ANIME GPU

[dusk knot]

Waifu GPU

If you can't get a gf irl, get a gpu

https://youtu.be/CE-arusFAtM?si=xcoULhO5wPrdefiB

[tranquil pebble]

girl processing unit

[dusk knot]

Good one

L

[mortal grail]

Where did bro go

[rancid juniper]

I'm probably cooked

Tested wifi card on all 3 slots nothing but Bluetooth working

[tranquil pebble]

ripperoni

[rancid juniper]

Just tested gpu without the wifi card on the first slot and it's still not detected

[tranquil pebble]

last time I had similar issues was from a damaged mobo

[rancid juniper]

😔I'm hoping this is not the outcome

[tranquil pebble]

check CPU socket to be sure

[rancid juniper]

Ok I will once I checked everything else

[tranquil pebble]

PCIe problems and pin damage do go together

ram problems too can occur from that

[rancid juniper]

The fact that it just happened out of the blue, no bsod or anything just a black screen as it lost connection and the PC still runs

[tranquil pebble]

I have seen that happen with a bent pin before

[rancid juniper]

Wow

Most ram problems for me is either a bsod or the PC not booting

[tranquil pebble]

bent pins are very unpredictable in terms of what it will do

[rancid juniper]

But how can this happen? PC barely moves and I'm using a custom ILM

[tranquil pebble]

it might not be the case but worth checking if nothing else comes up

[rancid juniper]

The one to prevent bending in the first place

[rancid juniper]

Alr

[tranquil pebble]

on the flip side, the GPU could have a problem too

so if you have another machine to test the GPU in, I would try that

[rancid juniper]

I do have a few GPUs available I may test the slot

[rancid juniper]

I do have another but it's OEM 🗿

Kept in a box somewhere

[tranquil pebble]

trying a different gpu may indicate if the gpu has problems too

[rancid juniper]

Yea

But my wifi card was involved too

[tranquil pebble]

obv if a diff gpu doesnt produce the issue, bad sign for that other gpu

[rancid juniper]

Bluetooth works but wifi is completely dead

Does not detect the card

[tranquil pebble]

yeah sadly that points more toward CPU/mobo problem

[rancid juniper]

😭

I mustn't lose hope

[tranquil pebble]

the only thing that can really cause problems with multiple PCIe slots simultaneously

[mortal grail]

Have you tried the gpu slot 2

[rancid juniper]

Doing that now

[mortal grail]

Do it and pray

[tranquil pebble]

yeah dont lose hope until you have tried various combos

[nocturne flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/eomer-hope-has-forsaken-these-lands-gif-24645625

[wind quail]

Twas afk pls forgib

[mortal grail]

I cast
Convert to english

[wind quail]

You sick sob

[mortal grail]

Oh it worked wth

[rancid juniper]

Using the inferior pcie 3.0 slot

Hmm

[wind quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-hitting-cat-hitting-other-cat-cat-smack-cats-gif-576976453829644563

[rancid juniper]

still...NOT...DETECTED

[wind quail]

@mortal grail are your pronouns 2 stars on trust pilot💀💀🥲

[wind quail]

Can i get a tldr

[nocturne flicker]

Delete system32

It'll fix it frfr

[frigid stag]

Amd moment

[mortal grail]

Well that's a sign

[tranquil pebble]

no not really AMD moment. None of the Radeon cards I have ever had did anything like this

[mortal grail]

#1 gpu and wifi card most likely not dead

[rancid juniper]

scrolling through website (pc is in idle) > suddenly no display > got confused so i thought restarting pc would fix > did not work so i switched to igpu > display working so i checked device manager > both wifi pcie card and gpu are not detected (bluetooth inside card is working) > felix suggests that it may be a UV problem as the cpu was undervolted to 1.095v, overvolted it to 1.150v but nothing has been resolved > now doing many other troubleshooting tips

[mortal grail]

#2 cpu lanes or mobo slots are likely dead

Esp with cpu crack

[tranquil pebble]

same conclusion I came to

[mortal grail]

Like it may have genuinely offed itself

This is why I said pray

[mortal grail]

Cos it looks like the mobo or cpu died and that's the better outcome

[tranquil pebble]

Raptor Lake 💀

[mortal grail]

What on earth

[rancid juniper]

i hate intel
i hate intel
i hate intel
i hate intel
i hate intel

[nocturne flicker]

Theo_sad

[mortal grail]

Am I reading that right

You've lost like half your pcie lanes

[tranquil pebble]

my 7800x3d should be arriving tomorrow

[dusk knot]

Theo wants to know your location

[rancid juniper]

Huh

WTF WHAT?

[frigid stag]

❓

[mortal grail]

I must be reading that wrong

[tranquil pebble]

CPU that is famous for killing itself over time

[rancid juniper]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-DDR4/Specification

[mortal grail]

Yeah those are chipset

[frigid stag]

That was a skill issue

[rancid juniper]

check

[mortal grail]

Not like this

[tranquil pebble]

yeah, but still

[tranquil pebble]

chipset going kaput? saddage

[mortal grail]

No

Not what I meant

[frigid stag]

Did the motherboard stop working

[mortal grail]

The driver is showing chipset

[rancid juniper]

should i do an nvme benchmark?

[frigid stag]

Sure

Could just be a windows skill issue

[rancid juniper]

all of them do work

[mortal grail]

I think you should try the gpu and wifi card in another pc

[rancid juniper]

ok

[mortal grail]

It's extremely unlikely both got fried

But let's see

[rancid juniper]

i do have my firepro w5000

ill use that card to test on my pc

[mortal grail]

Alr

If that detects then le oof

If no detect then def board/cpu

[rancid juniper]

This is by far the weirdest issue I've faced

[tranquil pebble]

something is already oof anyways. Its only a question of the size of the oof.

[mortal grail]

Remember when I mentioned the cpu crack

Like

Ten thousand times

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[tranquil pebble]

well rn, it is screaming mobo/cpu issue to me

[mortal grail]

I was genuinely stunned that cpu still worked

[rancid juniper]

Seems likely

[tranquil pebble]

but try the other gpu

[mortal grail]

And I quote "I'll use it until it breaks"

Lol

[rancid juniper]

Ok ok

[mortal grail]

Today might be that day

[rancid juniper]

Bruh

Too soon

[tranquil pebble]

I think we have a winner for cause

[mortal grail]

We are two steps away

From knowing

[tranquil pebble]

now to confirm ofc

[rancid juniper]

Oh? The GPU feels hot

[mortal grail]

Wut

Which

[tranquil pebble]

GPU feeling hot is normal tbh

[rancid juniper]

7800xt

[mortal grail]

Like hot hot

[rancid juniper]

I was taking it out after shutting the PC down

[mortal grail]

Like burn hot

[rancid juniper]

Not too hot I guess warm is correct

[mortal grail]

Warm is fine

[tranquil pebble]

yeah if it was burning you I`d be concerned

[mortal grail]

Hey on the plus side if the motherboard has thunderbolt you could egpu it

[rancid juniper]

Lol

I hope this Mobo/CPU doesn't claim another victim (firepro w5000)

[mortal grail]

If you're afraid then use another test system

[rancid juniper]

Heh

Firepro is not detected either

Ok this may rule out that the wifi card/7800xt is defective

[mortal grail]

Welp that confirms the board or cpu is dead

[rancid juniper]

Cpu became a zombie if so

[mortal grail]

Whether or not the pcie cards are dead isn't confirmed but it's very unlikely

[lone mango]

Is a reseat a waste of time at this point

Is it too late for that

[mortal grail]

Not really actually

[lone mango]

Try it

[mortal grail]

I have low hopes tho cos of the cpu damage

Main thing is we know it wasn't the most expensive part

[rancid juniper]

But how did it just damage itself when there's no crazy voltage/settings

[lone mango]

Possible upgrade excuse

[rancid juniper]

Bios was set with the latest microcode

[lone mango]

[rancid juniper]

If I had the money

[mortal grail]

Like ram, some things die quietly

[lone mango]

Maybe it was damaged from before the new version was made

[rancid juniper]

I might try running it with one ram stick, it will revert everything back to jedec

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-18069003738146878767

[mortal grail]

I don't think that'll do anything honestly

[rancid juniper]

Maybe, hard to know if it's either the cpu or motherboard because I don't see crazy signs of instability

[lone mango]

Im on team cpu

[nocturne flicker]

I'm betting mobo because I am biased against mobos

[unreal trail]

https://media.tenor.com/m76KG2fC0PUAAAAi/cat-brick.gif

[mortal grail]

I wonder

Ha

I knew it

Ok I'm on team cpu as well

[rancid juniper]

Dang this mobo was really good

13600k wanted to die just like the rest of raptorlake

You can't make this up

[mortal grail]

Rip specifically this interconnecting part

[rancid juniper]

Welp time to reset the bios

[mortal grail]

I'm very convinced now lol

[rancid juniper]

And then uh idk

[nocturne flicker]

Wait I thought the rest of the pcie slots weren't working as well?

[rancid juniper]

All of them don't work

[mortal grail]

Ye

[rancid juniper]

All nvme slots do

Everything seems to be fine except for pcie slots

[mortal grail]

So here's the thing, if that part of the die had a break on the chip that finally gave way

Then yeah suddenly no pcie makes a ton of sense

[rancid juniper]

Could be it

The drivers tried to communicate with the wifi card but failed to do so according to event viewer a few hours ago

[mortal grail]

So remounting might temporarily bring it back

[rancid juniper]

Ugh

[mortal grail]

But it's really sounding cooked

[nocturne flicker]

But if it was the PCIe lanes on the CPU being broken wouldn't that also mean the NVME slots that use CPU lanes wouldn't work as well? And that the PCIe slots controlled by the chipset would still function?

[rancid juniper]

Damn if I didn't sell that pentium g7400 it would be good to know if the 13600k actually failed to communicate with the slots

[nocturne flicker]

Or am I not understanding how the PCIe lanes work

[mortal grail]

It's a separate part of the controller

[rancid juniper]

^^^

[mortal grail]

It's very close but separate

[mortal grail]

My god remix was going INSANE

[tranquil pebble]

remix is hot garbage

[velvet summit]

Meh

It's better than some implementations I've used on different sites

It's definitely not perfect

I often use Google images editor instead, but remix is useful for quick markup

[mortal grail]

It was literally vibrating like it would explode when I finally made it to circling that

[velvet summit]

[rancid juniper]

I don't know if I have a warranty on this 13600k (if it's the culprit) since I bought it on eBay

Seller was antonline

[mortal grail]

That's a store

[velvet summit]

Antlion

[mortal grail]

Antonlion

[rancid juniper]

Onion

[mortal grail]

TheOnion

[velvet summit]

Shallot

[rancid juniper]

[mortal grail]

Shalom

[tranquil pebble]

fumote

[nocturne flicker]

Yes but not all the PCIe lanes on the board are coming from the CPU, some will be coming from the chipset. Which would mean that if all of the chipset lanes were working, some of the PCIe slots would also have to work yes? Unless all the PCIe slots are getting their lanes from the CPU and all the M.2 slots the chipset yes?

[sweet phoenix]

ive been summoned

[mortal grail]

Can you see how the pcie controller is laid out

16 lanes in one section

4 for m.2 in another

8 for dmi/pch/io

It genuinely would make sense if the damage was limited to the pciex16 section

Whether near the die or at the pads (more likely the latter)

[lone mango]

13600k for parts

[rancid juniper]

Ok imma revert all bios settings back to default

In bios not cmos

[rough zinc]

Yeah good luck, antonline is horrible from all of my experiences with them

[rancid juniper]

Oh my bruh

☠️

Welp final thing to do, reseat the cpu

[fresh timber]

If broken oof

[icy ore]

Oof

[mortal grail]

@rancid juniper izzit ded

[safe cape]

???

what happened