general-chat

[mortal grail]

Brother my puddles be sendin me audio clips

[rancid juniper]

bruh

[icy ore]

Car going too fast

Vibrating too much

Can’t get clear pic

[gleaming rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-disappearance-time-travel-gif-4584294

[astral inlet]

Forza 🙂 .. Cars.

These are Meta Low and too tight on recovery while having not the best tires.... 2080ti is it's recommended GPU.... just saying... im done now

[mortal grail]

@rancid juniper https://youtu.be/JWOeHmuoAvE

[rancid juniper]

cursed car

[icy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/lupin-iii-car-chase-france-paris-gif-16788455

[tranquil pebble]

There's an alt timeline where Core 7s are still quad core

[rancid juniper]

@mortal grail how bout now?

[rancid juniper]

☠️

[tranquil pebble]

Cursed idea: A Ryzen CPU with a few bulldozer cores added to it for lulz

[sinful blade]

Real

[astral inlet]

and im obsessed with turing and Haswell.. but here we are....

[dusk knot]

Mh.

[tranquil pebble]

or imagine Bulldozer design as ARM CPU

[ancient swift]

Bulldozer cores with an RDNA 2 APU in it for a handheld.

[dusk knot]

GTA 6 leak?

Holy

[lone mango]

[dusk knot]

🤯

[rancid juniper]

nice GT7 screenshot damn

[lone mango]

Nah thats a really old one from gt sport days

I had too much glare in my photos

And contrast

[rancid juniper]

Oh

Neat

[dusk knot]

Looks real ...

[tranquil pebble]

lol Core Ultra flopped so hard that not even Userbenchmark could save it

[lone mango]

[dusk knot]

What a car

model?

[lone mango]

2018 challenger demon

[astral inlet]

i've feedback capitulated if u will... ill look up that word in a sec, i think i have it right.... Anyway.....

I've devised a 290k and 296k and those would be interpretted as 28 Cores, 10P 18E, 36 Threads, 2.8Ghz and 4.8ghz(boost) 3.2Ghz, Core R 296k, but in this instance if you cant do this, the same numbers for 10P 12E 46Threads, 10x10T 12x36T... as more~ squeezed hyperthreading....

feedback is feedback.. i was hoping for like a 8086k like back in the day and call these Rs because they run hott quick..

22 cores is still a clean relativity and 28 goes with out saying.... i just thought it would be pretty. numbers by fibonacci are like, what im serving is almost a reflection of the relationship between the 5090 and the 5080... it be cray like that...

[rancid juniper]

i cant do proper screenshots lol

[dusk knot]

Looks fine

[rancid juniper]

i guess

could be better tho

[astral inlet]

you had it until you burned out and you could go lower by like 1 or 2 inches.. and fov can tighten by a pinch.. but idk... id have to see it to believe it...

smoke needs an entire b580 attatched to a GPU in order to do smoke right...

[astral inlet]

also they scrubbed spit shined and everything on 4k with forza so... its like we're getting a trunc-d up version... its improbable for me to pop a picture in 1080p, i've tried everything but running a 1080p 10" to see the ppi distort.. one sec, with these photos. ..

[rancid juniper]

hard to make em look good lol

[astral inlet]

this i just sat back.... from the triple screen.... i cant remember if i used that monitor actually... :(((

i think i just glanced at it and knew...

[astral inlet]

4k would've broken ur heart lmao, im a wicked~ color spectrum person like monet... those aren't your everyday colors but forza had fought with me when i can easily "falsify" chrome~ when video game reflections are a chess piece i guess... but im pretty sure I've covered like a Queen~and~King rather than a flat exploit... or ya know, as natural as it gets...

[rancid juniper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/707271232889815084/1324153459850612859/9ffaam.gif

[astral inlet]

just to show off a little bit that nsx was part 2~ of a heavey contrast black n bronze.... i just dont know where that file is ....

here heem is...

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[dusk knot]

Damn

The graffiks

[sinful blade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxBG3C/msi-geforce-gtx-1630-4-gb-ventus-xs-oc-video-card-gtx-1630-ventus-xs-4g-oc

1630 listed

[lone mango]

Oh yeah its got that ugly heatsink under the fans

[icy ore]

ew

[lone mango]

Whats not gross tho is this hard ass pic

[sweet phoenix]

$130 for a glorified 1050

[hoary zodiac]

it's also a ventus

[hoary zodiac]

lmao aren't there igpus faster than that?

[sweet phoenix]

multiple yeah lmao

[unreal trail]

[proud jackal]

5080 on jan 21

but where 5090

[icy ore]

jan 22

2026

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/shingeki-no-kyojin-beware-attack-gif-24479071

[dusk knot]

5080 is gonna suck

[icy ore]

i got a feeling this gen is gonna be nothing special

[rancid juniper]

https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese-aibs-expect-wider-availability-of-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gpus-in-february-lower-skus-in-march

literally all 3 companies aint dropping their highest end first

😂

[dusk knot]

Oh

[dusk knot]

Until we get more of an idea on what the neural engine does

[nocturne flicker]

Gonna hook gpu to brain and project graphics to your occipital lobe

[sage sluice]

Woah thats a bit too generous

What toy does it come with

[hoary zodiac]

NZXT H710i

[sage sluice]

Returned

[tranquil pebble]

real

[gilded kraken]

Aaaay success. My new Bios fixes my XMP profile problem with my ram

[dusk knot]

Hard working paying off

[dusk knot]

One quarter of the century completed. 3 more to go

2050 here we come

Than 2075. I’ll still be around

2100…I’ll will myself to it

[sinful blade]

I just found it neat that it’s now listed

Couldn’t find it a while ago

[sweet phoenix]

Nah ik it's just funny

[rough zinc]

I forgot 16 series exists

[lone mango]

BUDGET ESPORTS GAMING GPU???

🤯

[dusk knot]

Only at 1080p

[misty sparrow]

In all seriousness if you do esports why would you game in 1440p

You want the frames not the res

[tranquil pebble]

do 720p lol

[dusk knot]

1440p helps for far distances when spotting people lol

[rough zinc]

Just get a 4090 and 1440p will have esports frames

[dusk knot]

Fr

Marvels rival needs it

I struggle to get 200fps on low

[rough zinc]

Is Marvel Rivals any good? Yet to even look at it ngl

[dusk knot]

Yeah

With friends

After that…..

[lone mango]

Just like helldivers

[dusk knot]

It’s fine

Helldivers is more fun

I can play for hours

Rivals by myself, not even an hour

[lone mango]

They need a new engine

[sweet phoenix]

rivals surprised me with how "intensive" it is

it really doesnt look like it should be that demanding, but on a 13600k/2080 ti with mostly medium settings, i think two or three on high i sit around 80 fps

1440p

[lone mango]

Helldivers got my 5600 begging for mercy

[dusk knot]

lol

[sinful blade]

@sweet phoenix what’s the 8500g’s actual perf? Like the cpu it’s closest to

[worn wave]

Take a guess of what engine it's running on

[tranquil pebble]

UE5

[mortal grail]

Pff

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[proud jackal]

whats a good dad shoe thats out now

[mortal grail]

Wait wtf

No you know what it is frost

@rancid juniper it's bloody discord

[sinful blade]

𓀥   𓁆 𓀕

𓁆 𓀟  𓀣 𓁀

[rancid juniper]

oh

[mortal grail]

I click on remix and it looks perfect

Discord compression caused it

[rancid juniper]

._.

😂

[mortal grail]

[worn wave]

https://youtu.be/nrdEo5GRiug?si=QsYLE5H4PSAHBsZT

[rancid juniper]

yea cuz i could've sworn the anti-aliasing was alright

[sweet phoenix]

like 5600 maybe?

actually no

worse

prob a bit better than a 5500

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah it looks great when it's not the stupid discord compressed preview

[rancid juniper]

got me switching up AA options n all

i forgot how bad they downgrade images

[sinful blade]

Sigh

I have the ability to make about $1,000 from uber and dd without paying taxes for them
$199 is going to wife’s steering wheel for racing games, need to find a switch for $199, and like $90 for games.

[mortal grail]

Lmfao well the last ones looked good

[sinful blade]

So like $500 of that for her
About $200 for her pc upgrades, and the rest for me

[rancid juniper]

[mortal grail]

Why is dan a3 so good

Gpu at nearly 600W, no throttle

It's a warm boi

About 5C warmer than on the waterblock

But like

5C

[dusk knot]

[mortal grail]

It's crammed amongst all that and it gets 5C difference

Wild to me

I think I'd fair better with the vertical mount tho tbh

Better input layout

[fresh timber]

Speed

[mortal grail]

Oh nice which handheld

[fresh timber]

Legion go

[mortal grail]

Jeez the old 10850K was doing 16K

God damn lmao

[fresh timber]

I’m under performing too I think

By like 1k points

[mortal grail]

i9's now fit in the palm of our hands

Before

They fit in the palm of our hands

God that was such a stupid joke

[fresh timber]

lol

[proud jackal]

[sinful blade]

Is VR its own thing
Or do I need certain specs for it

[fresh timber]

Ima make it a egpu setup when I go to my dads house, I just need money lmfao

[sinful blade]

I don’t mess around with VR enough

[frigid stag]

Maybe your hands got bigger

[frigid stag]

Idk much about vr but it depends on the game

[sinful blade]

Wife would like to play Skyrim with a VR headset

[frigid stag]

Some u can run on a 9 or 10 series but some need newer gpu

[hoary zodiac]

there are games that can run on a oculus quest

[misty sparrow]

shoot your specs in here and I can give you tips n hints

[hoary zodiac]

and there's steamvr

[sinful blade]

She has a 3600 and a 1660S

[hoary zodiac]

that should be fine

that's pretty much the minimum

[frigid stag]

I mean that should run most games in vr except the super demanding ones

[sinful blade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rnLTxH

Her rig atm

[misty sparrow]

What headset does she have

[sinful blade]

So I don’t need to upgrade if she just wants to play Skyrim VR!

[sinful blade]

None yet

[misty sparrow]

She planning on getting a 3S or?

[sinful blade]

About to ask which one is the cheapest/best for the money

I also have to get her a wheel like this one

[hoary zodiac]

how much money do you have

[sinful blade]

She has literally never been able to use pedals(cuz handicap) and wants to use it for racing games

[frigid stag]

I’m not into sim racing (yet) but from what I hear most don’t recommend Logitech

[mortal grail]

My hand will soon engulf the west coast

[sinful blade]

$1000 total for everything

[hoary zodiac]

should be enough

[sinful blade]

Cannot go over

[frigid stag]

Moza and fanatec get recommended a lot

[mortal grail]

Yeah absolutely don't get that

G920 is like, the lowest end you could possibly do for wheels

[frigid stag]

[sinful blade]

All she asked is it to have feedback like that

Like physical resistance

[mortal grail]

If you want a nice but cheap wheel roomba, thrustmaster tmx pro

[hoary zodiac]

surely there's better for the same price

than the logitech

[mortal grail]

Yes

Tmx pro

It's completely better

[frigid stag]

Fanatic is pretty good

[hoary zodiac]

logitech makes good mice

[misty sparrow]

-# give your wife a very long hug that’s my recommendation

[frigid stag]

Oh yeah 100%

[hoary zodiac]

their other products are overpriced

[frigid stag]

Eh

[hoary zodiac]

and extremely mediocre

[frigid stag]

Double clix

[sinful blade]

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Racing-Wheel-force-feedback-pedals/dp/B01CI97DNM/

[mortal grail]

Fanatec had an EK moment last year we don't talk about them

[frigid stag]

Oh

[mortal grail]

Pro not racing

[sinful blade]

O

[mortal grail]

Pro has better foot pedals

[hoary zodiac]

"double clix"?

[frigid stag]

Double clicks

In their mice

[hoary zodiac]

oh

I use my mouse like a boomer

[frigid stag]

Not all of them have it, it’s like a defect

[sinful blade]

OOS everywhere

[mortal grail]

Tmx pro = 3 pedal set, tmx racing = 2 pedals

[hoary zodiac]

there's always razer

[mortal grail]

Yeah cos it's a good buy, try used lol

[hoary zodiac]

it's actually the same with razer now that I think about it tbh

good mice

nothing else

[frigid stag]

Razer have some good ones. Better qc than Logitech these days

[sinful blade]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/375895641594

?

[frigid stag]

Best ones are usually some more obscure brands

[sinful blade]

Missing part

Ah

[hoary zodiac]

there's some chinese g305 clones that's better iirc

[mortal grail]

That needle didn't shift much after the phones stopped

[frigid stag]

Idek all of them, there’s new ones every few weeks. I’m not too deep into the mouse community

[mortal grail]

But razer now have the best mice hands down

Like

[frigid stag]

It’s cheaper than keyboards at least

[mortal grail]

Horrible software still

[hoary zodiac]

I'm usually pretty anti-razer but their mice are ok

[frigid stag]

I have like 5 mice. I don’t want to buy more

[mortal grail]

But the mice, physically, basically peak

[hoary zodiac]

that's the closest I'll get to a razer endorsement

[sinful blade]

https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m44867587009/?sv=lg

[hoary zodiac]

they make good mice

[mortal grail]

Yep there you go

[hoary zodiac]

keyboards maybe? but eh there's plenty of better options

[frigid stag]

They discontinued my favourite mouse

[mortal grail]

Needs a bit of a clean but it's way better

[hoary zodiac]

I don't get why people buy razer or logitech keyboards

they're just extremely mediocre for the price

[frigid stag]

Idk, they were too gamery for my tastes

[mortal grail]

Was his name gerald

[hoary zodiac]

same

they're one large block of plastic

cheap build

[frigid stag]

[sinful blade]

Sweet. Time to bargain.

Now what about a VR headset

[hoary zodiac]

"gamer" is a synonym for cheap plastic

[frigid stag]

They had good ones but they were like 300 bucks or so so I didn’t buy them

[mortal grail]

Meta quest 2 is great for cheap

[hoary zodiac]

never buy gamer anything

[mortal grail]

Though beware

[frigid stag]

I already got gaming mice and some gaming related keyboard

It’s all metal though so it’s balling

[mortal grail]

I recommend over a 3070 for vr usually

[frigid stag]

It’s pretty good

[mortal grail]

Reason being is some games are dogwater in vr

[random osprey]

vr market is basically just quest or valve index

[hoary zodiac]

I got a G305 because it's a decent wireless mice in general

I'd lean towards quests

[mortal grail]

Or 5K/8K yeah lol

[fresh timber]

Iv always wanted a quest but I wouldn’t play it enough

[hoary zodiac]

since you can just ditch the wire

I've had a quest but haven't played it in a year

surprise surprise vr doesn't really work well on linux

[mortal grail]

I have a quest and don't play it enough you made the better call

[sinful blade]

Even for Skyrim vr?

[frigid stag]

I had a vr headset but nothing to play it on

[mortal grail]

Skyrim should be easy depending on mods

[hoary zodiac]

skyrim is like

a decade old

[random osprey]

buy the quest 3 and walk around with it on 24/7 like some people do with passthrough so they can see

[fresh timber]

lol

[sinful blade]

She has

[hoary zodiac]

skyrim is more than a decade old

damn

[mortal grail]

Mods change that statement in 5 seconds

[fresh timber]

Mhh, after I recover from legion go purchase

[random osprey]

mods can also make it not skyrim

[mortal grail]

Is this like a fashion thing

[hoary zodiac]

what's a legion go

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah, wanna play fallout in skyrim times?

[hoary zodiac]

oh so it's a crappy steam deck clone

[mortal grail]

It probably exists

[fresh timber]

It’s 40x better

[mortal grail]

How about gta death run

It probably exists

[hoary zodiac]

is it?

what os does it run on

[mortal grail]

Ima be real I don't know what mods that game has

Lmfao

[fresh timber]

I’m running bazzite, aka fedora linux

With a windows dual boot

It’s just steam os but for any device

[hoary zodiac]

2560x1600 display

bruh

[fresh timber]

It looks sooo goooood

[mortal grail]

Oh you def don't need 1440p tho

[hoary zodiac]

yeah but like

[mortal grail]

Lol

[hoary zodiac]

it's 8 inches

[fresh timber]

But it’s sooo sharp

[mortal grail]

1440p will be good for like videos

[hoary zodiac]

you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p

[icy ore]

that’s huge

[mortal grail]

For games tho

Oof

Use 720/1080

[fresh timber]

I get a few games to run at the native res, and game streaming lmfao

[mortal grail]

Lol

[hoary zodiac]

I'd rather have a 1080p so it wouldn't scale all weird

[fresh timber]

Others, I bump it down to 1080p

[hoary zodiac]

native resolution always looks better

[mortal grail]

Actually wild and I believe it too with the way the 680m/780m perform

Such a good little igpu

[fresh timber]

Yup,

[mortal grail]

Though Xe2 is now a thing

That chip is insane cos of tiled ram

[fresh timber]

If the game runs like poop I game stream

[hoary zodiac]

thing looks solid except the display

[fresh timber]

Moonlight, 200mbps av1

[fresh timber]

What’s wrong with the display

[hoary zodiac]

especially on a portable device

[fresh timber]

Iv enjoyed it a lot

[fresh timber]

Just turn it down?

[mortal grail]

And parsec when moonlight fails

[fresh timber]

1080p doesn’t look bad

[fresh timber]

Nah

[mortal grail]

Dis man knows what he's doin

I claps

[hoary zodiac]

1080p doesn't look bad

1080p on a 1440p display is very noticable

[fresh timber]

I have Tailscale setup on my server that gives me me access to my subnets

[mortal grail]

I've had some games not work with moonlight before

[fresh timber]

Not really, I don’t notice it in my games

[fresh timber]

Wot

[hoary zodiac]

hmm

[mortal grail]

Yeah parsec is my fallback

[hoary zodiac]

smaller display might be in its favour then

[fresh timber]

if you tried it would would like the big display

[mortal grail]

In some ways parsec is actually kinda better now? Cos I can host without needing to redo the connection?

But yeah moonlights good

[fresh timber]

moonlight, not having to relogin every so often

[mortal grail]

Fair

[fresh timber]

really no downsides,

[mortal grail]

That is true

Oh yeah but just quoting experience

You're doing it the right way tho

[fresh timber]

yeah lol

im still playing with the bitrates

[mortal grail]

AV1 you should be able to run a pretty low bitrate

[fresh timber]

im using av1 and its hard to tell the diffrence sbetween 150-500mbps

[mortal grail]

The encode is better and lighter than x265

Yeah

[fresh timber]

yuh

[mortal grail]

You should be able to go much lower

[fresh timber]

prob

no point, my network can handel it i got line of site to my ap

[mortal grail]

Ah fair enough

[proud jackal]

IS 5090 OUT YET

[fresh timber]

if im not home, well ill be limited to 20mbps cause isp is funni

[mortal grail]

Yeah 20mbps I'd do 1080p max

Lol

[fresh timber]

yup

when the time comes ill tweak it

i copied the wrong link

im an idiot

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/123243948?

i really like the cpu in this thing, its faster than my old laptops 11370h

double the cores, and same tdp it seems

Bazzite is amazing

[storm narwhal]

Fork of steamOS

[ancient swift]

Integer scaling from 800p is so much better than being forced to run at 1080p

I love my Legion Go

[storm narwhal]

Its missing the trackpads

[ancient swift]

The Legion Go has 1 trackpad

[storm narwhal]

Fair

[hoary zodiac]

really?

[fresh timber]

persoanlyl i dont really use the trackpad that much

[storm narwhal]

But one isn't really enough IMO on such a device

[hoary zodiac]

that's actually really useful to know

[ancient swift]

Its not as nice as the Steam Decks, but it does get the job done for navigating desktop mode

[fresh timber]

real

[ancient swift]

Means you can lower the wattage to push the battery out, and it looks fine.

[fresh timber]

do u also limit ur battery to 80%?

[hoary zodiac]

could you do a similar thing for a 1080p display as well?

say at 540p

[ancient swift]

If the games you play support 540p yeah

[hoary zodiac]

charge limit?

[fresh timber]

yeah

[hoary zodiac]

that's very good practice

[fresh timber]

i limt mines to 80%

im always near a charger, why fully charge

[hoary zodiac]

It's more for a secondary laptop

I want to drag the battery life out to 12-15 hours

[hoary zodiac]

it's wayyy better for the battery too

[fresh timber]

you could

[ancient swift]

None of the handhelds can do that

[hoary zodiac]

more for a laptop

[fresh timber]

ally x might get close, but yeah

[storm narwhal]

12-15 hours doing what tho

[ancient swift]

Nah, Ally does like 6-8

at most

[hoary zodiac]

web browsing, text processing

nothing intensive

[storm narwhal]

Oh yeah steamdeck can do about 12 hours for that

On a full charge

[hoary zodiac]

oh no it's for an old laptop

[fresh timber]

turn 4 of the cores off i find my self setting limits for diffrent games

[storm narwhal]

OH lol yeah

[ancient swift]

I'd only go down to 6 on the Legion Go personally.

[fresh timber]

terraria runs well at like 7w 3 cores

[ancient swift]

Cause of windows overhead

[hoary zodiac]

interesting

[fresh timber]

you poor soul

[storm narwhal]

Maybe set a power plan to restrict CPU usage?

[fresh timber]

https://bazzite.gg/

[hoary zodiac]

hyprland has scaling built in

[fresh timber]

convert to linux

[hoary zodiac]

it's as minimal as it gets

[ancient swift]

I have a Steam Deck too 😛 I don't need Bazzite.

[fresh timber]

o

w

[ancient swift]

at least not yet.

[fresh timber]

steamos is very nice

bazzite is very nice

[ancient swift]

if I get the new Legion go with the 890m and OLED I'll probably replace my deck with this one for steam deck stuff

[storm narwhal]

They're basically the same thing lol

[hoary zodiac]

I'm using arch so

[fresh timber]

i think they are im getting regular steamos updates, and the booting is the same as the steamdeck

[hoary zodiac]

I'm technically on the same os

[storm narwhal]

Also true

[fresh timber]

bazzite uses fedora

[storm narwhal]

Steamos is arch bazzite is fedora

[fresh timber]

i think steamos 2.0 is fedora and 3.0 is arch

the next legion go will have steam os irrc

[hoary zodiac]

they really do know how to pick distros

[ancient swift]

The 890m and an oled screeeeen

[hoary zodiac]

rhel and arch are solid

personally not a debian fan

[fresh timber]

i finally odnt have an urge to upgrade

[ancient swift]

Legion Go S will. with a custom 6800u

[fresh timber]

o they aint going z2 extreme?

[ancient swift]

Legion Go 2 will have Z2 Extreme, Legion Go S will have the Z2 Go.

To cut down on the price.

[fresh timber]

i wonder if the z2 will be worth

z1 wasnt

[mortal grail]

Z2 has to beat Xe2 rn

[ancient swift]

I dunno why they are estimating 600 for the Legion Go S, would definitely be under 500 comparing it to the Z1E specs.

[fresh timber]

damn

does the xe2 beat the z1 extreme

[mortal grail]

It's a huge gap too, like 30%

On-die ram did a lot

[ancient swift]

Z2 Go or Z2 Extreme. Theres no confirmed Z2 yet.

[fresh timber]

i ryzen ai 9 hx 370

i think their speculation that z2 extremme will be based off this

[mortal grail]

If it is then that'll be a sad day

New Xe2 arch can beat that on LNL

[fresh timber]

yeah its not much faster

[ancient swift]

Z2 Extreme is not based off the ai 9 hx 370. its on the image I posted

[fresh timber]

but the cpu has 12 cores

[ancient swift]

8c/16t and the 890m with 16 Cu's

[fresh timber]

o

intresting

same gpu

[ancient swift]

and 8 full sized cores.

ai 9 hx 370 only has 4 full sized cores. the other 8 are the 5c cores.

[fresh timber]

o, the ai 9 hx has those zen5c cores

[fresh timber]

lol i was just looking at that

[mortal grail]

16CU might be enough to keep pace with Xe2

Thing is although 33% more CU's, LNL has the efficiency win

So it'll be close

[ancient swift]

Are you talking synthetics or actual gaming performance

[mortal grail]

The other side of this coin being CPU is likely better but LNL is honestly incredibly good

[mortal grail]

I'm talking real performance

[ancient swift]

because synthetics for intel have looked good even before but they fell behind in actual performance

[mortal grail]

I'm not talking like geekbench garbage

I'm talking 3dmark

Like actual gaming load

[ancient swift]

3D mark is still a synthetic lol

[mortal grail]

It's a proper measure

If you can't trust 3dmark then there's no way you could trust games in general

Since they're literally gaming loads and very representative

You want a gpu synthetic? Go watch a torture run on like occt, or a light run of gb5

Those aren't representative and sku in way of different parts of the die, leading to improper utility

[fresh timber]

3d mark seems like its just a games built in benchmark

[mortal grail]

It literally is yes

It's designed to be

[fresh timber]

i like 3d mark demo

[frigid stag]

This tbh. And people say “higher 3D mark score doesn’t mean your gpu is faster” after I overclocked mine

[fresh timber]

i oc my gpus memory and my score shot up, but that was a while ago

[frigid stag]

My previous gen gpu makes 4070 owners seethe

Cuz I beat it by like 1k points

[mortal grail]

There's a little bias in one or the other tests here and there but for gpus it's extremely well represented

[ancient swift]

The point is you can optimize it specifically for 3D mark.

[mortal grail]

Like any game

[frigid stag]

I just overclocked the core + ram

[fresh timber]

cant you optmise for alot of games

[ancient swift]

You can. thats why people tell you to look on a game by game basis

[frigid stag]

Im confident It can beat their gpu in games too

[fresh timber]

fortnite, nvidia gpu and what? cpu and ram??? idk

cod, amd gpu

[mortal grail]

And you're making it absolutist saying that

[velvet summit]

https://youtube.com/shorts/sw1vwhmDAyw 😭

[mortal grail]

I didn't say it's definitive

[ancient swift]

You did

[mortal grail]

I said it's very representative

No

Listen to my words

[frigid stag]

3DMark time spy is pretty representative of gaming performance

[mortal grail]

There's a strong difference between 100% and 95%

[frigid stag]

Only exception is sli

It raises the score a ton

But that’s only cause newer games aren’t optimised for it

[mortal grail]

Less ray tracing and nowadays cpu binding yes

[fresh timber]

laughs in amd and cant raytrace well

[mortal grail]

I mean sure

You wouldn't really bother with rt under a 3080 anyway

[frigid stag]

I do

[mortal grail]

But the bias is here and there in 3dmark but very slight

[frigid stag]

It’s surprisingly decent in a lot of games

[fresh timber]

i think im only going to buy nvidia gpus for now on, amd is good and all, but its amd

[mortal grail]

So it's not perfect at all

But it's extremely close

Like VERY CLOSE

If I see a timespy test I am pretty convinced less a driver issue

[rancid juniper]

i should try timespy again with my final oc tune

[mortal grail]

The 4070 sucks tho it always has

It launched at a bad price, never came down to a good price

I believe it

[rancid juniper]

Average 4070 3dmark score?

[mortal grail]

2080Ti make the funny power

[mortal grail]

Like 16K ish

[rancid juniper]

Timespy?

[mortal grail]

2080Ti can beat that

Ye

[rancid juniper]

What about 4070 super?

[mortal grail]

2080Ti is a 3070 until you mess with it

[mortal grail]

Like 20K

Ever wonder how I remember gpu performance Frost

[rancid juniper]

Oh that's my GPU's performance level (7800xt)

[mortal grail]

These numbers help

Lol

[rancid juniper]

Ah

I guess it's easier

[ancient swift]

And the 155H still lost to the Z1 Extreme in actual gaming performance despite scoring better on Timespy. Crazyyy

[mortal grail]

That's Time spy bias tho is the thing, you then do port royal or speed way and the boas levels out

[rancid juniper]

I'd probably do something like speedway after

[mortal grail]

Funny cos it's not LNL

In cpu it always was

[rancid juniper]

My 7800xt is choked from a -10 powerlimit

[fresh timber]

[rancid juniper]

Because it's too much of a consoomer

[ancient swift]

Yep. But the point is, Intel on paper does well.

But in actual gaming due to Driver issues its fallen behind. Even the desktop GPU's suffered from it.

[fresh timber]

x3d go brr

handhelds with x3d when

[rancid juniper]

It's 2025 and I never ran a Ryzen chip yet

[mortal grail]

Radeon's pure raster pulls it ahead like for like

[fresh timber]

my "server" runs ryzen, my desktop is intel

[ancient swift]

Would be a waste cause the igpu is always a bottleneck tbh

[mortal grail]

Which is true to a point

[rancid juniper]

I've tried athlons, sempron, phenom, and fx

But no ryzen

[fresh timber]

true, the cpu is insanly good

[frigid stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814963336915583036/1323709914895487008/IMG_9510.png?ex=6776d1ed&is=6775806d&hm=c4ece17a093c4d7ba9899737582b5ce7da47fe4f119fc81ea3c034172c3aac22&

[hoary zodiac]

worse than 980ti

[mortal grail]

He used it wrong

[rancid juniper]

Oh I also tested an A8 laptop chip

Terrible

[hoary zodiac]

that is objectively false

[ancient swift]

The Z1 extreme scores around a 5800x lol. its crazy.

[frigid stag]

Ye that’s what I’m thinking

[fresh timber]

if i didnt have a desktop id hook legit run the legion go as my main pc with an egpu, thats my plan for my dads house

[mortal grail]

I can tell you having messed with a B580

He used it wrong

[fresh timber]

o lmfao

[mortal grail]

He's not wrong about driver issues

But he's wayyyy off on performance

[fresh timber]

fortnite and amd? good luck

my friends 5600g and 4060 can do better than me sometimes

[rancid juniper]

Drivers are improved but still got problems, iirc people reporting that power monitoring from rivatuner is way off

[mortal grail]

Fortnite hates anything rn, even nvidia

[fresh timber]

lmfaooo

[mortal grail]

This is objectively true

You avoid perf mode on radeon

[rancid juniper]

pwr limited gpu

speedway next?

[mortal grail]

Ye

Or port royal

[rancid juniper]

ok

[mortal grail]

Then take the average 4070 score for both

[stark wedge]

yo got rq question about pc part upgrade! or well multiple parts

[mortal grail]

Average it out

Boom

It's pretty close

[rancid juniper]

Real

Steel nomad tho

[mortal grail]

Aaassskkkkk

@ancient swift I need to show you this

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/we-benchmarked-intels-lunar-lake-gpu-with-core-ultra-9-drivers-still-holding-back-arc-graphics-140v-performance

Observe this article

Note how it loses

But

LNL has an advantage at low tdp

[stark wedge]

upgrading my motherboard from same an lga 1300 or whatever gigabyte to this one, also the cpu from 10400f to this one here and wifi/bluetooth card, fan from the built in with the cpu to that thermaltake one. and also the psu (not in picture ) from some 650w apevia to 750w Thermaltake one. wny settings i gotta redo or anything or just plug in play or gotta tweak anything in bios?

[mortal grail]

LNL at 15W is scary af on Xe2

It's much more efficient than a 890M chip

Like crazy better

Nearly 2x the efficiency

Now where's the battery article hold on

[fresh timber]

intel efficency

[mortal grail]

Here we go

[hoary zodiac]

not with the cpu either

locked chip

[mortal grail]

LNL has battery life similar to that of a snapdragon X

And excellent overall performance at that spec

[stark wedge]

nah just wanna install the parts and was wondering if i have to tweak anything or if i can plug em in and stuff and use pc instantly

[ancient swift]

And of the 3 games they tested, it beat AMD at one of them....

[mortal grail]

Are you reading my messages I'm still trying to demonstrate the point

[ancient swift]

Dude

[mortal grail]

"Observe how it loses" yes I literally said that

LNL has the efficiency curve at 15W

It's farrrrrr better at 15W

Vs full power

[hoary zodiac]

nah

[mortal grail]

This is why I'm convinced how good it is

[hoary zodiac]

probably just cheap chinese crap

[ancient swift]

On paper, intel is good.

But in reality it suffers from Driver issues. Thats what I've been saying.

3D Timespy is unreliable comparing them until they can prove otherwise.

[stark wedge]

ooo alr ty! if i have it on on the old one do i gotta enable it still or will it be active?

[pliant berry]

150 isnt even the retail price

[fresh timber]

game support is stil llackin :/

[mortal grail]

It's iGPU tech tho which intel is far better with, and less translation layers vs AMD in windows native

[hoary zodiac]

could be a clone

[stark wedge]

oo alr ty! glad it's mostly plug in play even for Bluetooth new cpu etc

[ancient swift]

The 155H Beat the Z1 Extreme on Timespy.

And almost a YEAR later, its still losing in gaming performance.

[mortal grail]

If you compare on Linux it's gonnansuck

[mortal grail]

155H isn't xe2

[ancient swift]

until they can prove that they will reliably work on their gaming drivers, they can have all the insane benchmark scores they want until they prove that they can keep up.

[mortal grail]

Stop bringing up older arc

Xe2 is wildly better

[fresh timber]

girlfriends pc went back, instructed her to just power it on and off by holding power button, my explanation for what went wrong: windows 11

[ancient swift]

Wildly better?

[mortal grail]

Bruh

[ancient swift]

3 FPS

[mortal grail]

Wildly better than xe1

Moving goalposts

[ancient swift]

Look at the bottom of the chart

155H 27 FPS, 288V 30 FPS

[stark wedge]

oh nah im putting in a wifi card with Bluetooth

[fresh timber]

looking online, it looks like the new intel poo has trouble booting marvel rivals

[mortal grail]

You completely ignored the entire point about mobile efficiency but I guess I'm talking to a wall at this point

[fresh timber]

whats the performance per watt

[frigid stag]

Marvel rivals isn’t optimised well at all

It runs like cyberpunk but looks like a cartoon game

[mortal grail]

It's a curve, with an amazing level at 12-15W

[fresh timber]

i get 30fps on a good day on the legion go my pc does 100 but can dip to 20 fps

[mortal grail]

If you just compare full power like yeah ok, but those are laptops

[fresh timber]

yeah

[mortal grail]

I'm making my point at the 15W mark

[fresh timber]

15w seems like a sweat spot for battery life

[mortal grail]

Not that

That's the handheld limit

[fresh timber]

it is?

[mortal grail]

Handhelds are typically 15W

Some with turbo

[ancient swift]

False

[fresh timber]

yeah

[mortal grail]

I stg

[fresh timber]

i can do 42w for 10 seconds, irrc

[ancient swift]

Steam Deck caps at 15w.

Z1 Extreme and intels 135H and 155H go up to over 30

[mortal grail]

Bro's inserting at every interval

[fresh timber]

what?

[mortal grail]

I LITERALLY JUST SAID THIS

[fresh timber]

you said handhelds not steamdeck

[mortal grail]

^^^

[ancient swift]

"Handhelds are typically 15W"

Typically is just the Steam Deck???

[mortal grail]

YES?

[ancient swift]

SOME??? ALL OF THEM EXCEPT THE STEAM DECK

[mortal grail]

BROTHER RULING OUT 70% OF THE MARKET FOR HIS CONVENIENCE

[fresh timber]

wot

[mortal grail]

LMAO

[ancient swift]

You're the one ruling out the market.

[fresh timber]

name relevant handhelds on the market

[mortal grail]

Steam deck, aya neo, ayn loki, rog ally, legion go, that silly foldable portable laptop

Here's the funny thing

[ancient swift]

THOSE GO ABOVE 15W

[fresh timber]

you just said two handhelds i 100% know go above 15w

[mortal grail]

You guys are ruling out that most people BUY A STEAM DECK

[ancient swift]

Only the Steam Deck is 15W

[mortal grail]

TURBO

[frigid stag]

Zotac making one too

[mortal grail]

Omfg

[ancient swift]

Its not just a turbo

[mortal grail]

Y'all

SEMANTICS

[ancient swift]

My Legion Go when I play BG3 is a stable 25W. Its not a turbo

Turbo is above 35W on the legion Go.

[fresh timber]

Legio go can go up to 41w

Had to swap to windows for this, 😭

the rog ally also can go up to 41w irrc

[ancient swift]

55 if its plugged in^

[fresh timber]

damn the ally can go to 55

[rancid juniper]

@mortal grail

port royal next

[mortal grail]

I really don't know why I need to keep clarifying this crap

You want bloody 90 minutes on a handheld go run 30W

So dumb LOL

[fresh timber]

i run hirewatts when im plugged in

[ancient swift]

How long do you think people play on their handhelds for?

[fresh timber]

fr

when its low i go to the charger

[ancient swift]

My lunch break is an hour.

[mortal grail]

You need better things to do if you only have an hour

90 minutes is nothing for a travel trip

[fresh timber]

like eating his lunch?

[mortal grail]

This is stupid

[fresh timber]

dont play an aaa game then?

play something like terraria that can run with 2 cores at 7w

yes i ran terraria at 2 cores 7w and got 60fps

[ancient swift]

I can play during my entire lunch break and have battery to spare? good enough to me

[mortal grail]

These two are off in space rn

[fresh timber]

depending on where you work you can just plug it in when ur working

[mortal grail]

Going way off the trail about my point of Xe2 at 15W

[ancient swift]

You mean the two who actually use handheld pcs?

[fresh timber]

charge it in your office while doing work, ez

[fresh timber]

lmfao fr

[mortal grail]

AND I DON'T?

[fresh timber]

if im somewhere knowing i cant charge im NOT going to be playing anything more intensive than minecraft

[rancid juniper]

I'd probably get a handheld that's SoC based instead of x86

[mortal grail]

Bro rattling on about crap intel drivers when THEY haven't tried the chips themselves??

[ancient swift]

Snapdragon elite X when

[rancid juniper]

😩

[mortal grail]

I'm disappointed in the both of you 😂

[ancient swift]

You got the new MSI Claw?

Its out

[rancid juniper]

Bro I got no handhelds

[fresh timber]

i watched reviews, people like it, buut intel

[rancid juniper]

Lol

[ancient swift]

with the 288V

[mortal grail]

I've used the B580

[fresh timber]

game support go brrr

[mortal grail]

But like

"Drivers"

Huh

[rancid juniper]

What's the efficiency on 288v?

[mortal grail]

Lmfaooo

[fresh timber]

b580 better be good by the time i look for an egpu setup 😭

[rancid juniper]

Ain't that thing pcie 5.0 x8?

[fresh timber]

intel, fix your poo, ill be ready for you in a few months

[rancid juniper]

Dang not even 5, L card /s

[mortal grail]

This discussion went so stupid

[fresh timber]

pcie 5.0 x8 please so i can run it at 4.0 x8 and not care

my brain farted saying that

[mortal grail]

We went way south of "intel is good at 15W" to "what tdp am I gonna burn my battery at"

[fresh timber]

plugs in charger anyways

[mortal grail]

I got no denial in that part

[rancid juniper]

man.. If only windows ran well with arm

it would've been soooooooo goooooooooood

[mortal grail]

But the part I was expressing interest in is intel's 200V at low power

[ancient swift]

Ayn was working with the Windows for arm team but then they swapped over to Linux.

[mortal grail]

Instead it turned into "Just dial 30W anyway" like a handheld doesn't mean anything for battery lmfao

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/spearhyunho-gif-4429745997606774790

[rancid juniper]

but can it beat amd apu at 30w doe?

😳

[mortal grail]

It's the same argument as buying a laptop to be "portable" but always wanting to be plugged in cos max tdp

[pliant berry]

They realized windows arm was a lost cause

[mortal grail]

It cannot. Like at all

[fresh timber]

gaming laptops

[rancid juniper]

bwomp

[mortal grail]

And yet, no one asked me this until now

Funny that huh

[rancid juniper]

lmfao

[mortal grail]

Yes like a gaming laptop

People who want portable gaming setups and buy a 4090m and then leave it in one place forever

[fresh timber]

when i had one before if died on me, i was plugged in 90% of the time, cause i was near a place to charge 90% of the time

[mortal grail]

And I can talk about this cos 7 years ago this was me travelling the world to LANs

[fresh timber]

my entire setup used to be laptop powered,

[mortal grail]

Ignoring tdp or efficiency in a portable device is a really bad take

[rancid juniper]

people with the switch 2 recently

[fresh timber]

separated parents make gaming very fun, thank god im 18 and choose when i wanna visit

[mortal grail]

But see that's perfectly justified

I'm not inferring someone who does move

But rather those who don't

Like at all

[fresh timber]

i dont think your going to be using a gaming laptop for work or anything

[mortal grail]

And after 6 months the battery is 3x inflated

[fresh timber]

mines charging chip just fried it self

[mortal grail]

It's actually a really common practice

[fresh timber]

fr/

?

[mortal grail]

Yeah filter by industry

Engineering you see it everywhere

[fresh timber]

the legion go is lowkey intresting, you can take the controllers off , get your self a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and now y o ugot ur self a nice tablet

[fresh timber]

true

[mortal grail]

You need a pc that requires performance? That market will buy it

Gaming laptops are extremely good value

[fresh timber]

im talking more like bunissnes type poo when people have like macbooks and stuff

[mortal grail]

Even in business

[fresh timber]

i need a macbook for my spreadsheets boss

the maxed out one

[mortal grail]

People buy asus strixes and alienwares to show off in meetings

[storm narwhal]

Plenty of people use gaming laptops at work

[mortal grail]

It's not needed

[storm narwhal]

In offices and business

[mortal grail]

But it happens

[fresh timber]

wow

[storm narwhal]

Yeah they really don't need it tho

[mortal grail]

It's a fashion statement

[fresh timber]

ooo

[storm narwhal]

Same as a mac

[fresh timber]

i make more than you

[mortal grail]

Like an iphone lad

Ya

I'm successful

Look at me

[storm narwhal]

Except macs also have their own benefits for efficiency and battery life

[craggy shoal]

y'all know the drill

[fresh timber]

theirs a reason i want one for college next year

[mortal grail]

And looping back, I really won't deny this

[fresh timber]

battery life, check, os support, check, good build quality, check

[mortal grail]

Like I was always in AMD's camp for igpus

But that ultra 200 looks crazy good at low power

[fresh timber]

yuh, i funna do a egpu setup one day for this bad boy

we looping back too much

[mortal grail]

Yeah waiting for the peanut gallery to tell me it still loses at not 15W

Lmao

[fresh timber]

i forgot who had concerns about the legion go screen but running 1920x1200 looks fine

[mortal grail]

1080p is good on igpus now

[fresh timber]

u can use fsr upscaling on bazzite

[mortal grail]

Or ig this is wxgha or whatever it's called

[mortal grail]

That 16:10 1080p reso

[craggy shoal]

Is this Bazzite OS?

[fresh timber]

Yes

[craggy shoal]

yessss I love Bazzite

[fresh timber]

It’s just steam os but for anything

[craggy shoal]

exactly

Underrated OS

[ancient swift]

https://www.adlinktech.com/en/pocket-ai-with-nvidia-rtx-a500-egpu You could get this Vex >:) lmao

[fresh timber]

Fr

[craggy shoal]

You can still use it as a Linux PC if you want to

It's gonna go on my Intel build when I can afford to get around finishing that build

[fresh timber]

i was thinking more like 4060

4070 if im balling

at 15w the finals runs kinda meh

[mortal grail]

I have been trying to find this for ages I can finally die

https://wccftech.com/intel-lunar-lake-significantly-outperforms-current-gen-gaming-handhelds-strong-ipc-gains-great-power/

@ancient swift @fresh timber

Here

[craggy shoal]

The most insane plot twist ever

[mortal grail]

What I was trying to say

One article

[craggy shoal]

Intel is about to do the funniest thing

[mortal grail]

Anything else

Irrelevant

[velvet summit]

you're telling me that this machine can fry the air?!

[craggy shoal]

yeah

[rough zinc]

Intel intel #1

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-bird-legs-gif-7418853116988366584

[craggy shoal]

You'll never believe what a box cutter does

[rough zinc]

The ultimate tool

My favorite delidding tool

[velvet summit]

no....

are you telling me this cutter can cut boxes

[craggy shoal]

insane, right?

[rough zinc]

Nah you're tripping

Why could it cut boxes?

[velvet summit]

crazy talk

[mortal grail]

Are you telling me that a box cutter cooked this kiwi?

[rough zinc]

Yeah

[idle nexus]

HD7970 running TimeSpy rn at 14.6fps

it's hard to watch

[craggy shoal]

Wait till y'all hear about a pencil sharpener

[rough zinc]

You're telling me this pencil can sharpen things?

[mortal grail]

You mean this ISN'T for drawing?

[sinful blade]

You’re telling me this axe can be an executioner?

[idle nexus]

wth is a pipe cleaner for

[rough zinc]

Cleaning Felix

[mortal grail]

Cleaning pipes

Wow

Lmao

[rough zinc]

[idle nexus]

I don't really know what's going on I just jumped in

[mortal grail]

Wait alec have you seen the engineering best joke of all time

[rough zinc]

I also dont, I just got one brain cell

[rough zinc]

Oh god

[rough zinc]

Still better than my Quadro 2000

[mortal grail]

https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w
https://youtu.be/5nKk_-Lvhzo

[idle nexus]

I think I saw the top one on GN video

[mortal grail]

Yeah it reminded me of it

That's the one lmao

And he made a sequel

[idle nexus]

I knew what some of the stuff he was saying was so I knew it was nonsense lol

[mortal grail]

Wait til you see the S.O.C drawer

[rough zinc]

[idle nexus]

14.8 rn aw ye

[mortal grail]

[rough zinc]

20 seconds in and already dying lmaooo

[mortal grail]

The amount of practice he would have done

It's amazing

[idle nexus]

oh snap I've almost passed the 3000 boint threshold

[rough zinc]

Nah we're actually are just way too stupid too understand what he's talking about, he's doing some future level stuff rn

[mortal grail]

Btw alec

[hoary zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnT3OK5t2DQ

[mortal grail]

All the things he's saying

[hoary zodiac]

what the hell

[mortal grail]

There's 3 other videos saying the same stuff

[hoary zodiac]

big youtube is suing big revenue scam

[mortal grail]

It's a whole script

[rough zinc]

Man why are the bees getting sued now?

[mortal grail]

It's not adlib LOL

[rough zinc]

Omfg

[mortal grail]

There was a paper in 1944 released talking about this thing and they quote so much of it

[fresh timber]

o damn

[mortal grail]

It's a running joke in engineering

[fresh timber]

felix

[mortal grail]

Henlo

[fresh timber]

u think these chips are good undervolters

[mortal grail]

What ryzen? Yes

[fresh timber]

the z1 extreme

[atomic mist]

Nah they garbage

Trash

[rough zinc]

Every chip is a good undervolter, you can lower them all to 0V in someway or another

[sinful blade]

I’m gonna undervolt myself

[craggy shoal]

mood

[atomic mist]

Overvolt all the chips

[mortal grail]

Yes, they typically are, but they come very power capped out the box so might not have a lot of play

[fresh timber]

mhh

[sinful blade]

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[mortal grail]

They're good undervolting at the desktop ppt

[rough zinc]

Im going to overvolt you Felix

[mortal grail]

But handheld ppt, can't say for sure

[atomic mist]

Set all voltage to 2.0 it’ll be fine

[rough zinc]

12V or bust

[mortal grail]

Cos less power will remove current headroom

[atomic mist]

[mortal grail]

So lower tdp likely means less undervolt

[atomic mist]

12v or bust actually

[rough zinc]

Yeah yeah yeah

[fresh timber]

i think theirs a dekcy adon that lets u undervolt, lemmie see if i can find it

[mortal grail]

Urah

[atomic mist]

Urah

[rough zinc]

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[idle nexus]

this is breaking my brain

[mortal grail]

UUURAAAAHHHH

MARINES

FALL IN

[rough zinc]

...shut up

[sinful blade]

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