With a uh certain thing going into effect here in 2025
#general-chat
mortal grail
Yeah everything gonna go up
I'm not surprised, kinda glad I told everyone not to wait this year
I had the right guess this time
mortal grail
It was kinda like this last gen but not before that
sage sluice
Pc market in general really
Im sure whole systems will bump up hundreds
Because i doubt people arent gonna go for a bit more money after the tariff
mortal grail
It will likely stay there
Thing is once businesses can justify to people that it's going to cost that much
Then if you buy it, you vote to keep it that way
mortal grail
If things get better for them then it's unlikely they'll lower it without competition
This is why I want intel to stay in the game
sage sluice
If things get better for them then it's unlikely they'll lower it without compet...
Me when we've had so many examples of this in the past yet nobody learns
mortal grail
Oh yeah
Hopefully 50 series is the wakeup
I reckon nvidia will release a 5060 12gb
After the expected poor reception of 8gb
I mean, 8gb is fine
But on a new card?
sage sluice
My guess is less people will buy and the higher prices will unfortunately balance it out for ngreedia
mortal grail
Yep
Until they get a shakeup from the competition
So the last thing you want to be rn is a shill lmao
AMD is just as guilty, look at the 9800x3d
sage sluice
The issue is nvidia isnt worried about losing
Theyve been the top dog in far more than consumer products
sage sluice
AMD is just as guilty, look at the 9800x3d
No company is innocent tho lol. People attribute humanity to smaller companies, but all of that goes away the second they have an ounce of influence
Even nonprofits have found ways to be selfish
mortal grail
Fr
sage sluice
I think people need to realize all companies will be greedy, its not a matter of which ones but when
uncut carbon
Can anyone help me tell what type of fans are in this system it doesn’t let me attach images in here
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wind quail
Can anyone help me tell what type of fans are in this system it doesn’t let me a...
Theres only 2 differences in fan type for pc... 3 pin (DC) and 4 pin (PWM) m, apart from that it's just the sizes but most are 120mm
mortal grail
*and molex
wind quail
*and molex
I can't believe you've done this
I have them blacked out of my head
Why felix whyyyy
mortal grail
I can't believe you've done this
One of my family members did a DNA test recently and I have almost no English dna turns out
I couldn't be happier
I have more irish
I don't want to be related to the english as much as possible
wind quail
YIPEEE
wind quail
I have more irish
I'd say a good half of aussies are originally irish... The brits liked locking us up fr fr
mortal grail
Tru
wind quail
Just thinking about the day you do a test and find you're all english
Luckily am all irish
mortal grail
I'll believe that when I see it
With ur british sass
Everyone says I sound english but dna says otherwise
Take that darwin
wind quail
Half northern irish technically but.. grandparents where both catholic which basically meant they where Irish Irish and not implanted by the brits lol
wind quail
With ur british sass
Take that back!
hoary zodiac
Take that darwin
Plot twist: your ancestors were from Darwin
wind quail
Queen Elizabeth runs deep with this one
I will smack you
rough zinc
Irish is just British with extra steps
rigid sinew
Hehe it’s ok, I just don’t have access to help Rn
rigid sinew
Gm!
astral inlet
..... hey.. im just going to build a usedish 12700k pc.... and see if i can sell it as an audio driver with maudio anybody think this crazy?? would corporate work against me?
i feel like thats still good for 4 years....
im gonna xmp ddr4 with~ a TB4... and 14th intel applicable... i just figure... it's a respectable egg thing....
im just gonna make one.. cuz im on ssi..., and if it drops in value, at least im having fun i guess.
wind quail
Huh?
worn wave
It's honestly impressive when someone pulls up here with lingo nobody else understands
worthy meteor
Idk using a PC as an audio interface is kinda wacky
And you definitely can't just call it a different company's product lol
worthy meteor
It's like getting a new PC as a USB hub
mortal grail
An xbox for charging phones
opaque sedge
5080 computer $2800+
Wbt the 5070ti?
rancid juniper
Wbt the 5070ti?
$2400
mortal grail
Imagine my face when the supposedly equal card build to a 4090 build in 2023 costs more and you get less
rancid juniper
mortal grail
proud jackal
rancid juniper
This is the leather jacket man plan
proud jackal
do i need 5090
mortal grail
I have wondered where my fair maiden went off to
rancid juniper
opaque sedge
Apparently amd is gonna make a low end apu version of the z2 for Lenovo
Gen3 cpu cores and rdna 2 gpu cores
So basically what the steam deck has…
Yeah the regular z2 and z2 extreme are prolly gonna be expensive af
elfin mural
god help me
they're playing baby by justin bieber
it's nearly new year here for me
rancid juniper
Bro is suffering rn
young matrix
Imagine my face when the supposedly equal card build to a 4090 build in 2023 cos...
The jump to amd is gonna be real nice
young matrix
they're playing baby by justin bieber
Cooked
pliant berry
I hate amazon i hate amazon i hate amazon
storm narwhal
Everyone loves no hassle cancellation until they cancel your order
pliant berry
This loser, I check the original listing and it is still available… for double what I had originally paid
I’ll just drive to microcenter at that point
elfin mural
"sorry this product is not available for the price we don't want to sell to you, here take your money back and go elsewhere. you're too poor"
storm narwhal
This loser, I check the original listing and it is still available… for double w...
Leave a bad review
Every single one counts
Screw these companies subsisting on people not leaving bad reviews for blatant daylight robberies
tranquil pebble
scamazon
rough zinc
Imagine my face when the supposedly equal card build to a 4090 build in 2023 cos...
4090 stay winning
proud jackal
rancid juniper
cursed config?
dusk knot
How is that possible
rancid juniper
in that post bro was looking to upgrade from an i5 12400f
dusk knot
Lol
rancid juniper
Happy new year foxy
dusk knot
Another year with its own problems
rancid juniper
Lol
mortal grail
Another year with its own problems
Starting with week 1
Overpriced 50 series les go
elfin mural
spicy costs
rancid juniper
And then the next, and then.....
rancid juniper
elfin mural
arc b580 got its market already
so it might be laptop exclusive
and will be upped to 8gb
rancid juniper
Hopefully their weakest entry GPU is atleast 8gb minimum (arc b310)
elfin mural
24gb arc battlemage excites me
a $500-600 gpu with that much vram is gonna be spicy
or maybe $400
dusk knot
Raw power is what we really want
rancid juniper
That's just the pro variant
elfin mural
im curious to see what's the deal about this neural rendering tech
full shoal
Raw power is what we really want
JP…. Should I go over my budget and get this…..
800 CAD. Probably a good price no?
dusk knot
What GPU are you going to upgrade to?
full shoal
No. Just get a 1440p 240
I can’t find one dammit
dusk knot
Oh well. This will do
frigid stag
Youre gonna need that 4090 though or 5090
dusk knot
BUT WHAT GPU WILL YOU UPGRADE TO
frigid stag
5090 ofc
full shoal
I now need to find where to get 100 dollars to fund this. Budget is 700 this cost 800
full shoal
BUT WHAT GPU WILL YOU UPGRADE TO
Uh just buy another 3090. Dual 3090 hehe
dusk knot
Good luck with that
full shoal
AHHHH
dusk knot
4090 or higher is ideal
dusk knot
Just try to win the 4k one and play on low to medium settings....maybe high. Its all depends.
full shoal
800 CAD. Probably a good price no?
I tried negotiating he said no. 
undone matrix
This is the motherboard that came with my PC I purchased from newegg: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650M-C-rev-10#kf and I see that they do point slots out... but could someone tell me plainly if those PCIe slots are extra spaces for NVMe drives?
full shoal
Does anyone want to give me 100 Canadian dollars for eternal thanks ? DM if interested please it’s going for a good cause
Lmao
If he doesn’t sell this to me ima give him a rude review 
He’s not even answering on my alt account
young matrix
Does anyone want to give me 100 Canadian dollars for eternal thanks ? DM if inte...
No
undone matrix
Agree, I had to blur and "unfocus" my eyes just to see how he was able to do it lol
dusk knot
Sigh...
full shoal
GUYS DOPMAINE
Me pretending to be a dad getting his son a b day gift lol
Well it’s kinda true my b day is tomorrow
nocturne flicker
This is the motherboard that came with my PC I purchased from newegg: https://ww...
You could theoretically use those two vertical slots on the bottom right for NVMe drives. Except they run at PCIe 3.0 1x and would generally be bad for an nvme drive. Also, are you sure it is that one? Gigabyte makes multiple revisions of the same board that differ by version number
full shoal
Why would u
undone matrix
You could theoretically use those two vertical slots on the bottom right for NVM...
Unfortunately, my PC has decent specs but came with the first version of this board
Gigabyte B650M C-Y1 is the name i see
full shoal
It is true lol… I mean it’s not for my b day necessarily but it is my b day tmrw loll
undone matrix
nocturne flicker
Man, what did they do to the chipset on that board. Everything is running 3.0 1x except the main PCIe slot and the main m.2 slot
velvet summit
astral inlet
It's like getting a new PC as a USB hub
these are dramatic... im trying to be subtle man, if intel is going to sit back... why cant people sit back on emulators or something, and actually play out the corpo terminal, what if somebody doesn't have $2200 to spend to make sense of modern... idk... why cant this be a conversation... lga 1700 is a tmp candidate right? why not...
nocturne flicker
velvet summit
those are sentences yes
worthy meteor
....?
astral inlet
~ i really am just doing this for conversation...
and the fact that, ya know, it's a 2nd round builder's... thing.... its just... making sense of the quality of the components going into it, like, burned into relativity, ... like kinda like stepping cpus???
...... the world may be not~ "enthusiastic" enough...
nocturne flicker
Bot word vomit?
velvet summit
what
astral inlet
work it harder make it better do it faster makes us stronger more than ever hour after hour work is never over
dusk knot
elfin mural
astral inlet
... product appreciation... it may not be the crate of a barn 1969 camaro... it could~ come close...
elfin mural
im as confused as the others are
astral inlet
Your mom.... looks convincingly
proud jackal
nocturne flicker
OR NO BOT
Not bot
I just did a reverse search on an image they posted, leads to a reddit page with the same style of writting
Same name as their Discord too
So I guess maybe English is not their first language?
Or since one of the comments from them is "i smoke..." 
fresh nova
Guys
astral inlet
Or since one of the comments from them is "i smoke..." <:derpyBlob:8004153548914...
i dont conflate tho
rancid juniper
what
nocturne flicker
Slapping rationally in it doesn't make it better
astral inlet
Slapping rationally in it doesn't make it better
english is my first language, your doubt makes me nervous, and "more worse" was hard to decide whether that's actually correct.
nocturne flicker
My doubt is inspired by the word vomit that is hard to understand a couple posts back
sweet phoenix
english is my first language, your doubt makes me nervous, and "more worse" was ...
i can't make sense of a full sentence youve sent
astral inlet
i can't make sense of a full sentence youve sent
screw it me neither
sweet phoenix
like i thought you were another AI bot that joined
frigid stag
why is the 12700k any bit rationally worse than an 11700k?
No. 12700k is better
sweet phoenix
the 12700k is not worse than the 11700k
the 10700k is slightly better than the 11700k, if thats what youre thinking abt
frigid stag
the 10700k is slightly better than the 11700k, if thats what youre thinking abt
It’s so good ngl
sweet phoenix
10th gen was pretty popular yeah
sweet phoenix
It destroys the 5600
not by a lot, at least not in games
frigid stag
4800mts b die on that cpu 😍
astral inlet
10th and 11th was the fastest market ever... :((
sweet phoenix
11th gen sucked
with the exception of 11400 and 11600k
?
not from what ive seen but i could be wrong
again wat
fresh nova
+ We're on to a new year & it's a good idea to validate passwords using passwords that use a mix of letters, digits, symbols & are long i.e.. 16-32 characters in length if the website/app allows it. With longer passwords an encrypted password manager is advisable that is also protected with a 2FA app on a rotating cycle, the 2FA app should also be secured with it's own secure password.
+ It is now recommended that all accounts be secured using a rotating 2FA app as it's quite difficult even if the password is breached to also bypass the 2FA app.
+ These steps may seem strenuous but in the age of cyber threats we are in it could mean the difference between a compromised account & a secure one.
- Trust me I've seen too many accounts be hacked the threat is very real.
fresh nova
I have given my advice for the day.
sweet phoenix
It's 9th/10th/11th
fresh nova
I shall now vanish again 
sweet phoenix
Oh you right
devout forum
sweet phoenix
Then 10th/11th is lga 1200
rancid juniper
whoa whats going on?
sweet phoenix
My sleep schedule has been so ass recently
rancid juniper
that explains part of it
sweet phoenix
Less than 5hrs of sleep every night and im up till 3-5 am
rancid juniper
._.
fresh nova
Perfect time to secure your passwords 
sweet phoenix
alr bye guys
fresh nova
If I see one more of my Steam friends get their account hacked this year I'm quitting YouTube.
full shoal
No dual mode <a:lirikEat:855166071685513247>
Whaaaat
fresh nova
```diff
+ We're on to a new year & it's a good idea to validate passwords using ...
Yes, yes they do.
I hope someone here uses this message for good.
full shoal
So then which one does
fresh nova
It's good advice.
Unlike me buying all the 4090's & trying to run them in the very much dead SLI.
That is not good advice.
Where's @somber skiff I need a job...
astral inlet
14400 rtx 3070..... ......
12600 rtx 306012gb
12400 2070 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
11600 rtx 4000 ~~~~~~~~
ancient swift
Waiting for CES is gonna take soooo long
astral inlet
Waiting for CES is gonna take soooo long
GTA VI is longer...
full shoal
Buying monitors is depressing
fresh nova
Monster bad
JP
ancient swift
I just wanna see the prices and full spec sheets
I do not like the 1200p screen on the Go S tbh. Should be 800p or 1600p :c
dusty ridge
Hello, has anyone worked on the hp laptop 14-dq0052dx? I want to upgrade the storage but when I opened it up I can’t see any SSD. I checked the computer info and it states it has a solid state drive. Google AI says it has one but other searches say it can’t be upgraded
astral inlet
i want to sayyyyyyyy.... if you entirely remove the wifi...... lol
gleaming rivet
i want to sayyyyyyyy.... if you entirely remove the wifi...... lol
No
gleaming rivet
Hello, has anyone worked on the hp laptop 14-dq0052dx? I want to upgrade the sto...
You have eMMC storage. You have no m.2 to expand your storage. You're storage is not upgradable
dusty ridge
That’s what I found as well but a few searches. And the msinfo states its solid state. Any way to make this laptop better? The read/write speed is awful on the harddrive. It’s just for my kid but still want to improve it
gleaming rivet
That’s what I found as well but a few searches. And the msinfo states its solid ...
Nope. Looks like a pretty budget laptop with no upgradeability.
gleaming rivet
That’s what I found as well but a few searches. And the msinfo states its solid ...
It's also suffering from 8gb of ram which looks like that's all it supports as well
dusty ridge
Darn that’s what I figured. I’ll just have to try and return it and get one I can upgrade
dusty ridge
Oh, well dang
fresh nova
MSI makes laptops that can be upgraded.
No HP will allow you to upgrade it because bad company. Good for budget not good for the more experienced user.
Even HP desktops are hard as heck to upgrade nearly impossible. Due to custom motherboards & PSUs.
dusty ridge
Thank you for the help! I’ll see if I can find a budget MSI one to upgrade
gleaming rivet
The drive is Solid State but it's soldered.
How do you see that it's an SSD vs eMMC?
gleaming rivet
Thank you for the help! I’ll see if I can find a budget MSI one to upgrade
Budget and upgradeable are 2 words that are hard to put together.
fresh nova
How do you see that it's an SSD vs eMMC?
It's likely eMMC which is why we can't even see it.
gleaming rivet
When it comes to laptops.
mortal grail
I can't see an ssd
fresh nova
I can't see an ssd
Exactly
mortal grail
If you flip the mobo over or take the black metal off you could see anything
fresh nova
That's how I knew instantly it's soldered.
gleaming rivet
That was my thinking. It's why I was asking why you said he had an SSD lol
mortal grail
Emmc is just a guess
gleaming rivet
Emmc is just a guess
Googlefu on his laptop says eMMC
mortal grail
Actually I see what would be m.2 traces
gleaming rivet
An upgradable laptop should look like this
You got one?
dusty ridge
Yeah I googled and said the same thing. The msinfo on the laptop states it’s an SSD not an eMMC. But I’ve never worked on upgrading laptops
mortal grail
dusk knot
An upgradable laptop should look like this
Wow. Soo much more accessible than mine
dusty ridge
Yeah that’s what I saw and thought it was missing.
dusk knot
No 4070. I sleep
mortal grail
Yeah that’s what I saw and thought it was missing.
This usually means that yeah they've forgone the m.2 on the pcb
But you never know
Could flip it over and there's a slot
fresh nova
dusty ridge
Oh you think it could be on the other side of the board
fresh nova
This one is also upgradable. You can find these for like $500 on sale.
fresh nova
Oh you think it could be on the other side of the board
Yes
mortal grail
Oh you think it could be on the other side of the board
Given the screw next to it though I'd expect m.2 2230 if it were possible ye
But odds are I don't think it's there
Which tbh, really strange way to go cheap
fresh nova
I don't think it's there purley because HP.
mortal grail
Msi are the kings of stupid cheap decisions in laptops
fresh nova
vs ASUS at the same price range
dusty ridge
So probably shouldn’t bother trying to get the board out and check and just return it. I ordered a 1tb ssd based off the msinfo but I can return that too
mortal grail
Yeah not worth
It'll violate warranty
It has the board traces though which is really strange
fresh nova
Cos asus charges you 40% more for the same kit not cheaped out on
Let's see... both the Omen & Zephrus 14 are the same price at $2,000. The Asus has liquid Metal & 3 fans, while the HP has a low TDP 4070 & underperforms.
I have data Felix & my data says don't buy HP.
HP is ripping people off at that price & if they do it with that laptop what other laptops do they do it with.
I could get into the 3Dmark results but it's the same result across the board the Asus is around 12% faster across the board. We're not talking 1-2% here.
astral inlet
So probably shouldn’t bother trying to get the board out and check and just retu...
just to scrub-help.. the market right now is~ around $663 is a gaming pc..
as chromebooks are relatively as expensive and less useful than a new tablet...
specs to include most types of software would be a 16gb ram computer... ...
just trying to kill time..
https://www.newegg.com/slate-blue-acer-travelmate-tmp416-41-r6y5/p/N82E16834360240
mortal grail
I have data Felix & my data says don't buy HP.
Ok, I had to really dig for this one.
First off, comparing a 185H vs an 8945HS here.
Second:
Their numbers tell a different story, and it costs less...
Picked the wrong sku to compare methinks
fresh nova
I tested both of their 14" screen options.
fresh nova
I don't see those in your numbers.
mortal grail
Their 17" looks perfectly fine
It costs less
Objectively speaking show me how this is worse
proud jackal
Is 5090 out yet
fresh nova
And it doesn't matter if I compared 185H vs an 8945HS because the laptops are the same price. And for that price you can get the better Ryzen chip.
fresh nova
The point I was making was compairing apples to apples. 14" vs 14"
fresh nova
Looks upgradable.
dusk knot
So do you
mortal grail
I really don't see the point in this
Like apples to apples they perform the same
No sign of a 14" anywhere
No sign of a similar gpu in either of them so no point
fresh nova
The HP is $100 cheaper right now I'm not sure why. When I did my testing they were both $1,999 maybe it's a sale or something.
Even still for the money the Asus is worth it.
You gain a 12% GPU performance increase.
And a CPU performance increase.
lone mango
You gain a 12% GPU performance increase.
I guess the asus has a higher power limit
Since they both have the came gpu
mortal grail
I'm still failing to see the difference in quality here
Similar heatpipe design
Both dual fan
Both heavily packed pcb
fresh nova
Both dual fan
Felix why are you looking at 16" laptops. The Zepherus 14 has 3 fans.
I'm compairing HP's 14" top end laptop vs ASUS's 14" top end laptop.
mortal grail
Because I can't find a comparison
fresh nova
That's all I'm comparing here.
mortal grail
Why tf would I argue on terms I have partial info about
fresh nova
Because I can't find a comparison
I'm showing it to you.
rancid juniper
YES YES YES, EVERYONE GET THIS
random osprey
YES YES YES, EVERYONE GET THIS
mortal grail
NOW I SEE WHAT YOUR STUPID PROBLEM IS
IT'S A THIN AND LITE MODEL
OFC IT'S SLOWER
COMPARING A LIGHTWEIGHT MODEL TO A HIGH END ZEPH
WTFFFF
astral inlet
intel's flip job is efficiency...
fresh nova
There the same price & the Zepherus is also thin. I've held both in my hands.
mortal grail
THE ZEPH IS A FULL ON GAMING LAPTOP
rancid juniper
https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-square-pants-i-dont-really-feel-like-it-sleepi...
but the fights
fresh nova
Why would anyone buy that HP.
astral inlet
but that just gives amd more options
rancid juniper
3dmark, ultimate pay 2 win simulator
astral inlet
3dmark, ultimate pay 2 win simulator
lol
astral inlet
Why would anyone buy that HP.
i would buy the hp omen with a 4050 and thunderbolt 4 and get a 4070tisuper....
astral inlet
yeah but .... its fun..
rancid juniper
no
elfin mural
and wouldn't be able to fully utilize a 4070TiS anyway
rancid juniper
thin
fresh nova
THE TRANSCEND 14 IS A THIN AND LITE
Your thin & light is heavier then the ASUS Zephyrus that smokes it at the same price.
You cannot win this. I've done all my research on it.
fresh nova
I rest my damn case <:warpedemote:656863405864386570>
And I rest mines the ASUS is lighter.
Get smoked.
mortal grail
And I rest mines the ASUS is lighter.
COS THE OMEN IS ALU SHELL STOP GRAPSING AT STRAWS IDIOT
elfin mural
zeph is like nearly as thick as a tuf
mortal grail
fresh nova
COS THE OMEN IS ALU SHELL STOP GRAPSING AT STRAWS IDIOT
The ASUS is lighter bro.
Facts are facts.
elfin mural
omen transcend is a thin laptop with gamer marketing slapped all over it
fresh nova
Thin & Light is heavy.
fresh nova
The asus is twice as thick and NOT ALU SHELL
It def is.
astral inlet
look... if you want the ultimate AI terminal, and become friends with markzuckerburg, get a 185h pls thankyou
fresh nova
So metal correct?
elfin mural
different kind
mortal grail
Oh you know what ok, the asus is also alu, it's still however twice as thick
elfin mural
yes
mortal grail
Twice as thick, obviously better
elfin mural
but it's still classified as thin and light
fresh nova
You gonna make a slow thin & light that gets smoked by the lighter weight competition at the same price.
elfin mural
and an inferior laptop
rancid juniper
you guys arguing over a lappy?
mortal grail
Basic thermal physics
elfin mural
we're not saying that
fresh nova
If you want light weight buy the ASUS.
astral inlet
you get an hp omen because ur cool 🙂
elfin mural
we were just saying that it's still a thin and light class of laptop
mortal grail
you guys arguing over a lappy?
Dude's honestly trying to say a gaming laptop is better than a thin and light therefore the thin and light sucks
Which is
Obvious
elfin mural
the zeph is miles better if you're talking about performance per dollar
fresh nova
I'm saying don't spend $2K on the Omen & instead get the Zephrus 14.
rancid juniper
Dude's honestly trying to say a gaming laptop is better than a thin and light th...
lol
fresh nova
the zeph is miles better if you're talking about performance per dollar
I am.
fresh nova
That's my argument not to buy HP.
mortal grail
Bro had me trying to compare "apples to apples" when it's not at all
rancid juniper
we can all agree to never buy a gateway laptop
mortal grail
Go find an actual comparison model and come back
fresh nova
Price wise they are. That's HP's 14In vs ASUS 14in.
mortal grail
This discussion is stupid
rancid juniper
this chat is a bad omen rn
mortal grail
Price wise they are. That's HP's 14In vs ASUS 14in.
Thin n lite vs gaming 
How are you still on about this
fresh nova
That is their full omen for the 14" size.
elfin mural
it isn't
fresh nova
HP just needs to do better.
elfin mural
it's called omen transcend
fresh nova
Let me guess that one is another $1,000
mortal grail
We really need to do this huh
Thin and lite vs macbook air
And
Zeph
It's not even a discussion anymore
Hahahahahaha
rancid juniper
worlds thinnest laptop (gotta be apu based)
fresh nova
Which is the one I tested
rancid juniper
🤔
mortal grail
Wait so I did test the full Omen
It doesn't matter if there's no "full" sku lad you tested a thin n lite vs a gaming laptop
Lmfao
There's no need for them to release ANY sku
rancid juniper
are they pulling info out of nowhere now?
rancid juniper
probably because of that fiscal year thing
astral inlet
i figured out a way to replace usb-c....
fresh nova
This is their lineup
Point is here don't buy it
Same money, 12% less performance for marginal thickness decrease. For what?
dusk knot
i figured out a way to replace usb-c....
the whole point of USB-c is that you can insert it easily lol
fresh nova
the whole point of USB-c is that you can insert it easily lol
You know what else can be...
💀
fresh nova
🚶♂️➡️ 🚪
fresh nova
It's just a regular day on regular show.
astral inlet
the whole point of USB-c is that you can insert it easily lol
it is easy.. ive gone thru like 3 usb c cables on one phone.... it doesn't particularly need the snap.... it's making sense of throughput and contact points and allowing for plastic rather than metal to retain better shape...
astral inlet
look i know......... you dont like usb c...
dusk knot
i love type C
rancid juniper
stop it with the periods
velvet summit
i've never broken a type b micro before, let alone a type c
mortal grail
This has to be prophetic
I figured I'd look up a gaming laptop just in case this point tries to be pushed again
sinful blade
OOO WA AH AH AH
mortal grail
Once again
Lenovo pro gaming laptop vs zeph 14 gaming laptop
And once again
Lenovo slim laptop
Omen slim laptop
Macbook slim laptop
It's plain as day that the zeph is double thick and a different class of laptop by now
fresh nova
You're right Felix I think I'm gonna go spend $2,000 on that thin HP 14in laptop instead ot the Zephrus 14 I could get for the same money.
Makes sense to me.
mortal grail
You're gonna try twist this away from the fact you compared a thin and light, an ultrabook, a slim, against a gaming laptop.
Lmao
fresh nova
I compaired price.
mortal grail
Ofc the thin and light is worse
fresh nova
When I was looking to buy one.
fresh nova
I bought all the 14" laptops from all the brands sold at Best Buy & compaired them.
mortal grail
mortal grail
I bought all the 14" laptops from all the brands sold at Best Buy & compaired th...
Not HP's fault they didn't release a gaming laptop that was full thickness at 14 inches
fresh nova
The MSI ended up winning for price/performance & it's main key winning attribute was the MSI laptops ability to be upgraded.
mortal grail
LOL
fresh nova
So I went with MSI for my personal & upgraded it.
fresh nova
What's that mean?
mortal grail
✨budget msi✨
fresh nova
Oh
mortal grail
Minimum tdp chips
fresh nova
Yeah that's good in my case
fresh nova
Upgradable
fresh nova
I looked at those as well
astral inlet
this is amazing..
fresh nova
But I needed an RJ45 port.
astral inlet
mortal grail
Literally. Same gen, same year. Lenovo LOQ
fresh nova
Few & far between have RJ45 without the need for an adapter.
mortal grail
Looks like a zeph doesn't it
It's like 40% less than a zeph
Runs just as well
Budget msi sucks balls
astral inlet
does that include msi studio or creative or what ever?
fresh nova
True I guess but it does everything I need it to. Runs all my games fine.
mortal grail
If you say so
fresh nova
creative is a joke just buy the full fledged thing at that point.
mortal grail
fresh nova
From what I've seen all the ones marketed as creative have low Hz screens & low TDP chips.
astral inlet
I need a Vivobook with a 4060.. :x
fresh nova
If you say so
I mean it does. It runs RUST on max settings.
But with the 32GB of RAM it can.
mortal grail
Few & far between have RJ45 without the need for an adapter.
Btw on the loq
fresh nova
Btw on the loq
How much
astral inlet
oh its amazon... oh well new egg has em probably
mortal grail
How much
Lowest I remember was like $1100 for the 4070 model
And yes I believe it was 14"
Lol
astral inlet
Welcome to asus' actual thin and lite lineup
yeah but... these are nicer than an omen in looks...omen died with a 20 series at best...
mortal grail
Because the old loq was based af
The brand new one don't buy that
2024 they gutted it
Only came out a couple months ago
astral inlet
sorry for the dots, im working on it
mortal grail
yeah but... these are nicer than an omen in looks...omen died with a 20 series a...
I won't deny it
Thin and lights are pricey for their spec tho
fresh nova
Dang I can't find a 14" one now
If they made it in 14" I would have bought it & tested it.
mortal grail
So even though it says it has such and such it won't live up other models
astral inlet
3k 120hz... and~ TB4... idk..
mortal grail
Dang I can't find a 14" one now
It might be a 15" and I'm misremembering
fresh nova
All the 14" laptops are more expensive tho
Sad for me
And there's less options, also sad for me
Aw well my upgraded MSI 14 works fine
It was like $700 normal price is $1,100 so I did decent.
astral inlet
wait what happened to TB4 . :(((
fresh nova
And yes I'm aware I could have got a 15.6" laptop for way cheaper with better specs.
But I needed 14"
mortal grail
Man it got as low as $880
I think even bacca missed that deal
880 is unbeatable for 2023's best 4070 laptop
astral inlet
wait what happened to TB4 . :(((
... its asus creator that has it...
im gonna go tie myself to a tractor with two rope pullies
mortal grail
... its asus creator that has it...
Asus seems to be really stingy with thunderbolt, they did that with my tuf
The board I believe is wired for tb3 but not supported due to the plug being gen 3.2
mortal grail
Annoying that they then brought it into next years model
Lol
They had it done properly on the strix ones though
mortal grail
That's the only thing I wish I had on the tuf, so I could use a GaN charger
But it's kinda a meh reason
Cos everything else is nice on it
astral inlet
oh... i was talking about studio stuffs
mortal grail
Ah yeah
Well tb3/tb4 does many things
The big one for me is charging lol
Being able to have one charger for the phone and laptop adds a lot of space to a carry-on for flying lol
Been thinking I could just buy the motherboard of the newer year and swap them, same layout lol
astral inlet
oh thats neat... yeah.. asus creator is ultimately a fugged up lie for that reason HAhaha
business workstations use to matter...
mortal grail
Standardising has great benefits
This is why desktops are so dynamic
You're playing to atx spec
unreal trail
astral inlet
im not worried about that.. im saying there should be ampre 4500 workstations at like exactly 3 grand
or what ever its called... nvidia 4500a
mortal grail
Like
Rtx 4000 ada?
That's a $1500 card lol
Should be very easy to do like sub 3K builds with those
astral inlet
yeah... but there are 4090 laptops going for like 3 grand... a mobile 4500 can be what ever it needs to be to run like an xbox one.
but ... archetectual draw obviously...
mortal grail
4090 laptops are barely worth anyway unless you live your life in hotels
astral inlet
mm...
mortal grail
They run hot, loud, cost a bomb lol
astral inlet
yeah.. i just build mobile PCs.
mortal grail
Nowadays, especially with 5G, remoting in is very handy
worthy meteor
Would be very power limited lol
mortal grail
Unless you specifically need a secure system
worthy meteor
Yea I'd imagine it's like how 65w 3060 mobile and 65w 3070 mobile basically performed the same
worthy meteor
I wish the power limits were more visible on product pages lol
Sometimes they advertise it, most of the time it's either guessing or you have to look it up on a separate site
mortal grail
They're mandated to state the limit now no?
Am I wrong on that one? I remember something like that
worthy meteor
Really? I still see laptops only list battery wattage and not GPU still on their product pages
mortal grail
Jeez
Yeah here we go @worthy meteor
https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/5/22266921/nvidia-requiring-companies-share-clock-speed-power-gaming-laptop-rtx-30-series-gpu-specs
astral inlet
i hate center logos 😄 no offense
fresh nova
i hate center logos 😄 no offense
On what?
worthy meteor
Yeah here we go <@278694081440251905>
https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/5/2226692...
Lenovo for example, still doesn't list it
mortal grail
Lenovo for example, still doesn't list it
Have you tried the like model article specifically tho
fresh nova
on laptops o.9
Oh yeah it's very light you can't really see it.
But for what I do I think it's a fine laptop does my stuff.
worthy meteor
Have you tried the like model article specifically tho
Yea usually it won't show up without looking at the manual itself
Generally is on the manual but not anywhere on their product/specs page
astral inlet
nice... i just have a 1135-7 24gb 1tb.. that can play 25fps halo odst lol.... so...
mortal grail
Generally is on the manual but not anywhere on their product/specs page
My local stores might just be based
They even list the chipset
Like
I didn't know it was hm770
Now I do
astral inlet
Oh yeah it's very light you can't really see it.
ur saying exactly what they made...
worthy meteor
My local stores might just be based
Here's a specific model on Lenovo's site for example lol
astral inlet
cap no cap
mortal grail
Here's a specific model on Lenovo's site for example lol
Ooo yeah there you go
Yeah I think Nvidia doesn't look kindly on that
rancid juniper
My local stores might just be based
RDNA 3 has ai cores right?
worthy meteor
Oops was on the Lenovo India page for some reason but same thing on their US page
rancid juniper
mortal grail
It became a really bad issue in covid if you remember hence the redefining from nvidia to avoid product misrepresentation
mortal grail
RDNA 3 has ai cores right?
Ray accelerators iirc
worthy meteor
Yea I bookmarked a site with the power limit numbers back then lol
grand kernel
AI Max+
rancid juniper
smh
grand kernel
what a name
mortal grail
Yeah the igpu is basically way better than an npu is what I'm reading
rancid juniper
wild title
worthy meteor
Marketing team had some fun there
fresh nova
Does anyone even use antivirus anymore?
rancid juniper
long gone
worthy meteor
I feel like most people only use antivirus to do spot checks when something is suspicious
rancid juniper
^^^
fresh nova
I remember when Malwarebytes was the good stuff & Norton was a virus 😂
rancid juniper
for some files id do virustotal first and then defender to scan
fresh nova
Y'all remember all our school computers having Norton on them? Or Mcaffee
I'm like this is bloatware
worthy meteor
When every laptop came with antivirus lol
rancid juniper
I remember when Malwarebytes was the good stuff & Norton was a virus 😂
Norton, Avast, AVG, and Mcaffee are the greatest viruses to plague computers with
fresh nova
Norton, Avast, AVG, and Mcaffee are the greatest viruses to plague computers wit...
I agree, the only one I even use to run a scan anymore is Malwarebytes. That one is still okayish.
The others straight bloatware
rancid juniper
malwarebytes ive heard is ok
astral inlet
rancid juniper
the 4 i mentioned tax literally everything on the pc
making it look like a machine from 1989
fresh nova
Yeah
rancid juniper
i dont think they scanning viruses, they mining bitcoin on it (wild take)
fresh nova
I keep the free version of Malwarebytes just to scan stuff
But I use windows defender with it
I think windows defender + Malwarebytes to scan things makes you somewhat safe.
rancid juniper
windows defender constantly updates, also common sense is crucial
fresh nova
I think that's key
Common sense don't go to non-secure websites & don't click random download links.
cedar compass
rancid juniper
"download a free ipad"
fresh nova
If I don't see that on the website I probably don't need to be on that website.
astral inlet
Just download some RAM bro
do u ever want to cry after saying that?
i want to cry...
rancid juniper
Just download some RAM bro
Downloading fps is possible so I think ram might happen too
proud jackal
craggy shoal
Huh?
grand kernel
I need to be banned from ram overclocking
so I can just like
learn how to enjoy my pc or something crazy like that
rancid juniper
learn how to enjoy my pc or something crazy like that
glad i accepted that a long while ago
lmfao
orange, ggood, and some more stuck on ram oc nightmare
dusk knot
learn how to enjoy my pc or something crazy like that
That's the mindset you've been missing out for the past few years
You're always toying with the ram
Smh
rancid juniper
craggy shoal
Just buy good RAM and set XMP to whatever its setting is
dusk knot
Right?
rancid juniper
Just buy good RAM and set XMP to whatever its setting is
"Where's the fun in that?"
-Some ram addicted overclocker
craggy shoal
“Or I could buy cheap RAM and make it better” yeah just go on in on red lolll
rancid juniper
lol
craggy shoal
Bro is craving an addiction
rancid juniper
real
worthy meteor
I need to be banned from ram overclocking
Hey can we change places lol
I gotta go back to memory ocing after it was unstable last time and I just left it on jedec after xmp was unstable
Ive been enjoying it on jedec too much
icy ore
worthy meteor
You’ll start your addiction again
I never got addicted the first time around, time to start now
rancid juniper
👀
craggy shoal
That gif in the big 24 is wild
sweet phoenix
oh @idle nexus idk if i told you, that ddr5 16gb A die stick you recommended me is working great for my friend
they only bought the mobo for the build, and paid $20 for a 7600x (grandma paid the rest.) Rest was either carried over from their last build or sourced by me
craggy shoal
Okay time traveler
grand kernel
You're always toying with the ram
dude there's definitely something fundamentally wrong with raptor lake though
like other than the degrading
there is something wrong with this memory controller
my 4133 profiles go from stable to no post randomly
there is no logic to this platform
I'm gonna give up on dailying 4133 15-15-15
give 4200 16-16-16 a shot, if it has the same issue I'll settle for 4000 15-15-15
rancid juniper
slowly inching closer to peace
grand kernel
4200 16-16-16 was incredibly easy to get stable the first time but who knows if it'll randomly stop being stable
I think 4200 16-16-16 is a better daily than 4000 15-15-15
grand kernel
higher latency but significantly higher bandwidth
fresh nova
YouTube tries to load an add & it fights it away
dusk knot
dude there's definitely something fundamentally wrong with raptor lake though
Anything intel, you’re right
grand kernel
lol
but seriously though
is it not weird that the same profile can sometimes be stable for a 24 hour stress test and sometimes not even POST?
something definitely has to be wrong with the chip at a fundamental level
this has happened on two different 13700Ks now
one is a fluke two is a pattern
this is happening within week 1 of a brand new, very good sample, not degraded chip
grand kernel
yeah
grand kernel
slowly inching closer to peace
I will say the way I've been doing it this time is less unhinged than before
just toss on a test to run overnight before bed
use my pc normally during the day with a less aggressive profile
(4000)
I'm testing 4200 cause I'm wondering if this gen just has a problem with the 4133 strap
like ryzen 3000/5000 had a widespread problem with the 3800 strap
although the problem was a lot simpler lol boot or no boot
rancid juniper
I will say the way I've been doing it this time is less unhinged than before
Good luck
Hmm I wonder if I should go full ddr5 or get some faster 64gb kit for cheaper in the future
grand kernel
4200 runs at similar voltages to what 4000 needed on the old chip so that's nice
same SA, slightly higher VDDQ
rancid juniper
That's nice
sweet phoenix
im going to mess with tuning on a 3400g with some random kit from my friends old build
im prepared for pain
gonna be a system for emulating console games
rancid juniper
gonna be a system for emulating console games
igpu only?
cedar compass
hoary zodiac
RIP 4060
hoary zodiac
Is 24 even worth it
dusk knot
Planes selections?
A few that you had to buy are now included
My 3080ti system can't really run the game that well in the most demanding areas
Also it eats more Vram than Indiana Jones and the Great circle by 1-200mb
hoary zodiac
To be fair at least it has a real reason to use up that much vram
dusk knot
It really does!
hoary zodiac
I'm impressed if anything that it can run on consumer pcs
dusk knot
With how detailed the scenery is, it is bound to eat most of you Vram
All 12gbs were taken hostage on my system
Why 16gb is Horrible!!!!
I hope no regulars around here get a 5080
dusk knot
5080ti and 5090
hoary zodiac
don't the radeons have more vram?
proud jackal
5090 or ban
hoary zodiac
It's insane how nvidia think they can only put this little ram in a 4080
When the 7900 XTX has 24GB
dusk knot
It's going to backfire
hoary zodiac
They're gonna ask for a stupidly high price too so
dusk knot
They really don't care about us
hoary zodiac
Meanwhile intel
Creeping up from the low end
Silently encroaching on the mid range market
dusk knot
Nvidia has sooooo much money that they can't at least go easy on us normal people? Shave off a few hundred dollars on all cards
What does Nvidia do with all the excess money they make?
hoary zodiac
Or better yet
Have an actual low end
That's not garbage
Like
The entry level used to be something like a GTX 950 or 1050
Now it's a 4060
hoary zodiac
I think we just need a low card between the igpus and the mid rangers
1080ti was $699 msrp btw
dusk knot
Yeah.....
hoary zodiac
Inflation really hit hard