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hazy sonnet
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mb hard to explain it clearly

worthy meteor
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Since the only difference is that peripheral port would have the first pin be dummy or unused, while sata uses the first pin for 3.3v

deep parcel
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3 are for sata/molex and 1 is the cpu/pcie

worthy meteor
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You can plug peripheral into SATA so Corsair prob made them all sata

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Some PSUs make peripheral port actually just have the first pin be dummy

hazy sonnet
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hold up im lost

rn coming out of the psu I have the 8 pin cpu cable, then I have the 24 pin motherboard cable

then my gpu is plugged into the 8 pin port on the psu

mortal grail
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Peripheral/Sata ports are often shared ports on psus

deep parcel
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so basically this

hazy sonnet
deep parcel
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correct

hazy sonnet
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alright thanks

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and those are for my storages

deep parcel
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storage, fan hubs, etc yup

mortal grail
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You shouldn't be able to plug anything else into those anyway since the psu ends are not interchangeable

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So a 6+2 is only for the gpu end, but the other end is specifically 8 pin

deep parcel
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^^^ they are keyed in a certain way

mortal grail
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Yup

hazy sonnet
mortal grail
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Yep

hazy sonnet
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engineers knew that someone would mess it up

mortal grail
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That's the keying

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Like the key to a lock

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They only fit a certain way

worthy meteor
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It's adult Legos

deep parcel
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Yup, its fool proofing so they dont have psus blowing up every day

hazy sonnet
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alr cool lol

hazy sonnet
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I was worried I was about to mess up my harddrive or something

mortal grail
hazy sonnet
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thanks for your help

worthy meteor
deep parcel
mortal grail
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EVGA does this on all cables

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So you know which end goes into what

mortal grail
worthy meteor
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Also, refer to the manual, even though Corsair sucks with providing manuals and documentations, generally your PSU manual will tell you these things

deep parcel
mortal grail
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PSUs annoy me cos a global standard would fix everything but no manufacturer wants this

deep parcel
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same plastic parts

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because cheaper if mass produced

mortal grail
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No what I mean is the same pinout sorry

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Not keying

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Keying is shared

deep parcel
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ah yeah

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same pin out would be nice but harder to standardize I think

mortal grail
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It should be standardised tho

worthy meteor
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How is cablemod going to make their money if you don't have to buy different cables every time you buy a new PSU though

mortal grail
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Ya that's what I mean

deep parcel
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asiahorse existing

mortal grail
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No manufacturer wants this

worthy meteor
mortal grail
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Cos they can't allow cross-incompatibility as it reduces sales

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Maximum sales, maximum gatekeeping,minimum stress

hazy sonnet
mortal grail
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Annoying af

hazy sonnet
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no idea what that means but the keying works anyways

worthy meteor
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But I wonder if it's like manufacturers don't want you to get like crappy 18awg cables

mortal grail
deep parcel
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gotta make it so they have to pay extra to the company to get replacement cables if they need them too

mortal grail
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Maybe they changed

mortal grail
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But like

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Imagine if all 8 pin were EPS

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How much less confusing that alone would make everything

worthy meteor
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Although just look at Corsair and look at how confusing it is even within the same company

mortal grail
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Real

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EVGA as well

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Seasonic

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Superflower I think is standardised

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MSI I'd have no clue

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Asus probably isn't cos reseller

worthy meteor
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It's like type 3, which is cool and sounds standardized, and then oops AXi has their own cables, oops AX has their own cables, oops HX has their own cables, oops type 4 and type 5

mortal grail
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Oh you bought a shift? Sorry no PSU is compatible there good luck

worthy meteor
mortal grail
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Should be

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Thing is the OEM's should be interchangeable

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Like EVGA and superflower units are interchangeable afaik

worthy meteor
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EVGA did use super flower for some of the units I think

mortal grail
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As CWT for example Focus GX to Strix

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Ya the high end ones

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Like P2, T2 etc

worthy meteor
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Been a while since I looked at it

sage sluice
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I don't speak this language guys

mortal grail
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Only reason I know is I've repinned a few sets before

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It's stressful but if you have a reference you're chilling

worthy meteor
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As long as you have a pin out chart that either you or someone else made

mortal grail
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Ya, better still if you have the original cables

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You can trace them manually to double check

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Hurts tf out of ya hands tho doing it

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Repinning needs a lot of pressure force on small pins lol

mortal grail
worthy meteor
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I can't even get 6+2 pin to plug in half the time so I doubt I can do any repining myself

mortal grail
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I wouldn't do it if I didn't have a reference

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Certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wasn't years into the hobby

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Even using a multimeter to make up a reference I would pass on

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I wouldn't dare bother without at least one of every cable or a chart

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Some cables are easy-ish like SATA

sage sluice
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I don't like messing with anything regarding the psu, i don't trust myself to not make a nuclear bomb on accident

mortal grail
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But 24 pin is just

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๐Ÿ’€

worthy meteor
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Anything 24pin is pain

mortal grail
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2 in fact

worthy meteor
mortal grail
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I've played trouble in terrorist town with my PC's before

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Lol

mortal grail
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Still completely stumped by that spacer pin

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Like

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Will it ever be used?

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LOL

sage sluice
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Not by the time there's a new standard

mortal grail
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They could make it an extra ground pin and it would bring more load capacity to the mb

worthy meteor
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12vo is so last year and out of date and inefficient, let's do 24vo

worthy meteor
sage sluice
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24v? Yall aren't thinking big enough

worthy meteor
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Discourage the behavior

worthy meteor
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Make it 0w through the pcie slot

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Make the mobo draw power through the GPU

mortal grail
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Think most gpus are now 40W-0W

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Save LP or 75W low end

sage sluice
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Im boutta fly a kite in a thunderstorm and attach it to my gpu

worthy meteor
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Should be

mortal grail
worthy meteor
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Have we had power draw through slot testing with recent GPUs?

mortal grail
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From my memory of all the ones I've tried they're all like that

worthy meteor
mortal grail
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It depends on the vbios tho

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Like a 525W Ampere card probably does 75 at the slot

sage sluice
mortal grail
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Iirc FTW3 had a 525W vbios

worthy meteor
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Frankenstein's monster is literally artificial intelligence so

mortal grail
worthy meteor
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I remember it going above the rated 75

mortal grail
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"How do I code this in Java?"

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"RAWR. Here's several results includin-"

mortal grail
worthy meteor
mortal grail
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Ampere I have a very good memory of, even the 1000W vbios didn't do 75W at the slot from memory

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Not unless you actually cranked 1000W which most never did even in XOC

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Think the typical peak was some 800?

sage sluice
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I think what im needing right about now is a gigabyte psu

mortal grail
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I could get it out any time I feel like a July 4th bench session

sage sluice
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Make sure to record it

mortal grail
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I do not recommend one btw

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UDGM is kinda ok but too many better options

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PGM is just

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I know no one who survived with their pc using one

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Mine included

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(PC lived the psu didn't)

sage sluice
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PGM makes sticking a fork in an outlet look like a safe hobby

worthy meteor
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Ap-gm should still be fine

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P-gm you need the updated version that actually has a usable opp

mortal grail
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They're probably fine but I really wouldn't touch most of their lineup

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I use that PGM for like, bios updating, power on tests

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Nothing more

worthy meteor
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We thought p-gm may be okay at the start because ap-gm was decent

mortal grail
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Ye

worthy meteor
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Before it go boom

mortal grail
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Well tbh if the OPP wasn't dumb af high it would be fine

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They were ambitious

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130% like get real

worthy meteor
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It should be fine after the update

mortal grail
worthy meteor
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But the part quality in general is still pretty bad

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It's just bad

mortal grail
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Ya I just wouldn't touch them

sage sluice
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If my psu doesnt have 3D rgb i didnt get my moneys worth

worthy meteor
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Run it at high load and it's just going to get hot and degrade and probably fail

mortal grail
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They're bottom barrell spec with a misleading gold rating

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Pls cybernetics become more widespread

worthy meteor
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Can semi rectify it with tighter protection but can't get rid of it

mortal grail
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Ya

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It's just bad

worthy meteor
sage sluice
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I just keep it simple and stick to corsair

worthy meteor
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I still hate Corsair for everything

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Their documentation is terrible even if their product is decent

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Because Aris does the work and they get it from cwt

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But how hard could it be to write a proper manual and put it on the website

sage sluice
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How good are lian li psus actually? I've only ever seen their cases

deep parcel
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had to buy it because it was the only way I could get a 3080 at the time

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bundled Aorus 3080 with P850GM on newegg back in 2020

worthy meteor
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I didn't even know lian li had PSUs

sage sluice
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I wonder why they bundled their ticking time bomb thinkies

worthy meteor
mortal grail
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Mine had already died by then lmao

deep parcel
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ah

mortal grail
deep parcel
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mine was unopened because I literally didnt need it

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still in plastic

mortal grail
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Lian Li SP is still not bad

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It's just got a woeful 8 pin count

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I think their new ones with the top facing connectors, edge? are supposed to be alright

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They're just generally not good value

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Like it makes sense if you have a mid range gpu to get an SP if you want braided cables, instead of a better quality and spec V SFX cooler master

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The edge ones are just plain expensive, convenience gimmick for a big price

gilded kraken
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Cybernetics A+ grade plat

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wasnt overly expensive either for what it was. 200 and change

mortal grail
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Ya I just wouldn't recommend that

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That's not a horrible price for 1300 tho

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But iirc I got a top tier 1650W for some 240

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So like

gilded kraken
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its was that or a seasonic, and I bought the O11D evo case so figured why not

mortal grail
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Make of that what you will

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Old evo?

gilded kraken
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nah the XL, the new big one

mortal grail
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What on earth build are you making

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At least the XL had good QoL updates but isn't that one like $250

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Jeez

gilded kraken
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I was planning on getting a AIO 5000 series card to put in the front. and a 420 arctic AIO on the top. Just big cooling with quiet fans

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it was like 220 or something

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I like big cases, easy to build in

mortal grail
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If you prefer that then alr

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Though don't expect revolutionary temps

gilded kraken
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I mean its going to have like... 7 140's

mortal grail
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420 Aio's are only better if they make good contact

worthy meteor
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Big cases are nice for building and thermals but I must go smaller

mortal grail
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Just saying it's not revolutionary performance

gilded kraken
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fair enough

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I expect similar to my Meshify 2 XL

mortal grail
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Mmm I wouldn't compare to a standard layout

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updraft intake does a lot for GPU

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Evo XL would be a bit more like, a mix between North and H5 Flow probably

gilded kraken
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side intake allows 3 140's and twin 140 exits on the back, and the 3 140's on the aio, should brute force it with low speeds

mortal grail
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Not really no

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I've owned several O11's, doesn't really work that way lol

gilded kraken
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I could move some airflow to the floor as well if I wanted

mortal grail
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You have the ease of intake, the amount of glass and consistent pressure throughout, the O11 can get a lot of hot spots even with good fans

mortal grail
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Top 2nd

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Evo is designed to primarily be a chimney layout

gilded kraken
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strange considering the XL has a special mount for vert stacking the gpu agains the side intake

mortal grail
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The problem is just the amount of glass and open space

mortal grail
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You use that specifically for waterblocks

gilded kraken
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ah fair

mortal grail
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I still have that kit, never ended up using it

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Best gpu layout imo in evo is traditional vertical

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You put good fans underneath then you get crossflow

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And that crossflow is unhindered by a backplate

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So it really helps the gpu, but it can't be against the glass

gilded kraken
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well, I should be building my 9800x3d build at the end of this month once my arctic fans arrive

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so i'll report gpu differences

mortal grail
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You don't need a 420 aio for a 9800X3D lol

gilded kraken
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I know, but it was cheap for what it was

mortal grail
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Mine idles at 32C on a 360 EK I got for free

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It's cooler than X3D of the days past

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Likely only needs a single tower

gilded kraken
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it was only 120 for a 420

mortal grail
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120's a fair bit lol

gilded kraken
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compared to the rediculous AIO's out now

mortal grail
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a 360 Thermalright can compete with a 420 arctic for $60

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The edge comes with noctua fans at that

gilded kraken
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I paid the same price for my old 280 nzxt krakken gen 1 as a 420 arctic

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4 years ago

mortal grail
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The TR would still compete tho, just food for thought

gilded kraken
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maybe on my next build. All the parts are sitting next to me already

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just not the fans

mortal grail
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P14 max if you want a set of good fans

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All versions of max are now FDB

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Or you could camp for TR LCP

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I heard a lot of complaints about a weird noise coming from max fans early on but I have a bunch of them now, can't hear it myself

gilded kraken
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I went with a set of p14 PST's

mortal grail
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PST's are fine if they're a decent price

gilded kraken
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12 bucks a pop

mortal grail
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Black or white

gilded kraken
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black

mortal grail
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Ah I'd pick the max there lol

gilded kraken
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They were hard to track down

mortal grail
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Maxes are quieter

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Tbf though you'd need a daisy chain module

gilded kraken
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I got the arctic fan hub already

mortal grail
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Ah then the Max would've been better if you could swap them

gilded kraken
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I dont think they are stock anywhere for a resonable price

mortal grail
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It's the same fan but with rubber feet and a higher RPM

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Amazon seems to have them

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Oh poggie

gilded kraken
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dont arrive till the 15th of december

mortal grail
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The white version is in stock

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I didn't think they'd release the white P14

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I need 2

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Not available here

hazy sonnet
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I have an issue with my computer where it wont boot, all lights and fans turn on within tho

The cpu led lights up, so I assumed its that, I took it out and put it back in but it didnt fix the issue

However I've also:
played with the ram
checked the visible cables
used a multimeter to check the psu

None fixed the issue, the motherboard and cpu are an AM3 socket, so its very old

At this point I dont think theres anything to do other than upgrade the motherboard, cpu and RAM

Does anyone have any suggestions of things for me to check before I hit that stage tho?

mortal grail
hazy sonnet
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the cpu led

mortal grail
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Rip cpu

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Check the EPS cable plugs

hazy sonnet
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whats weird is I took all the ram out, expecting the dram light to be on but it didnt turn on

mortal grail
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No it wouldn't

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Cos CPU check is first

hazy sonnet
mortal grail
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CPU power cables

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EPS

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Change a cable if you need to

hazy sonnet
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is that the 8pin one

mortal grail
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Sometimes a faulty EPS can cause a CPU 00 error

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Yes

hazy sonnet
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that comes from the powersupply

mortal grail
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The 8 one on the motherboard

hazy sonnet
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I already checked that with a multimeter

mortal grail
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Try a different cable then

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Swap it to a new one

hazy sonnet
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the cable goes straight into the powersupply

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its not into a port

mortal grail
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As it should yes

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What

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It should go into the cpu plug on the mobo

hazy sonnet
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one sec Ill get a pic of what I mean

mortal grail
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It should plug into this

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Check it's seated properly

hazy sonnet
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the right pic is what I mean its not in a port in the psu

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the left pic is where it is plugged into on the motherboard

mortal grail
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Check it's plugged into the board correctly

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I can't see from here but if it's not plugged correctly it just won't work

hazy sonnet
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it is, the pc worked before but it was one day it stopped booting

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it shouldnt be the cable bc I checked it with a multimeter, unless its the motherboard port itself

mortal grail
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So you didn't touch anything, then just randomly stopped one day and always had the cpu light?

hazy sonnet
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ye, but it only has cpu light when I turn it on

mortal grail
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Yeah rip cpu then

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I'm fairly sure it's said goodnight

hazy sonnet
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what even causes something like this

mortal grail
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Who knows

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Silicon degradation (On bulldozer??? Anyway)

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Bad mobo vrm (Which means board died)

remote geode
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meow

mortal grail
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Bad psu connection

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Dirty power

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Oxidation of pins

hazy sonnet
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what does dirty power mean

mortal grail
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Anything could happen

mortal grail
remote geode
mortal grail
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But we wouldn't know without a proper inspection

remote geode
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yeah

mortal grail
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CPU post LED is pretty telling tho

remote geode
hazy sonnet
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I'm just thinking now tho what can I still salvage from my pc

like I'll replace motherboard, cpu, ram bc I have to

but ideally I want to keep the psu, graphics card (970 nothing crazy), and the storage

mortal grail
hazy sonnet
mortal grail
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I was close lol

remote geode
hazy sonnet
mortal grail
remote geode
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it might be a motherboard issue, and a lot of my own motherboards has died due to bad PSUs or really bad power quality

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hmm hmm

mortal grail
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Cursory info tells me enough to say something's cooked

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Likely board

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AMD has a long history of dodgy mobos

remote geode
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what's their chipset and manufacturer againm

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???

hazy sonnet
hazy sonnet
mortal grail
hazy sonnet
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are the fans universal at least

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or do they for some reason decide to change the pins of them or something

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and I'm assuming Ill have to change the cpu cooling I have as well? Or would I be able to fit it on new motherboards too

mortal grail
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Fans could be old enough to not be 3/4 pin lol

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The cooling might work if you stick to AMD lol

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It's a pretty old pc man, a lot of compatibility changes in that time

hazy sonnet
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this is like the ship of theseus, whole pc is gonna be different

mortal grail
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AM3+ can technically work on AM4 and thus AM5

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Fans will need to change if not PWM or 12v 3pin

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Ram has to change

hazy sonnet
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except gpu, are those standarized

mortal grail
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Mobo has to change

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GPU can be kept but man, that's old af

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Maxwell is out of support now I think

hazy sonnet
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I think the fans are 12v 3 pin

mortal grail
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PSU should change due to sheer age

hazy sonnet
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at least I get to keep the storage

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right?

mortal grail
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Case probably worth changing to something much nicer to work with

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Storage should work ye

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But I hope you have an SSD

hazy sonnet
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sata ssd ye

mortal grail
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Unless this storage is so old it's not SATA

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Or specifically SATA III

hazy sonnet
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na I invested in a sata ssd a couple years ago, good investment

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I have no idea what type it is

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but its sata

mortal grail
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Should be ok then

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The windows install may want a do-over tho

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Depends how well it translates over

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Generally suggested to reinstall to avoid performance loss between changes but if it benches well afterwards then no point imo if it's not full of errors

hazy sonnet
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would I have to buy a copies of windows if I do that

mortal grail
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Don't need to pay for windows

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If you have an old license key especially so

remote geode
remote geode
hazy sonnet
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where would I even find that

mortal grail
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You can sign into windows settings to save your license key

remote geode
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I bought windows for 5 bucks back in 2020 and I've used it for all of my installations since

mortal grail
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That's an easy way of doing it

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Then you sign back in with the reinstall

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It should migrate the license

remote geode
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yeah

hazy sonnet
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so lets say I take my hard drives and plug them into a completely new computer that doesnt have hard drives

will that new computer boot as if its my old one

storm narwhal
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Maybe

remote geode
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I think it's up to 3 migrations for a digital license

storm narwhal
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Wouldn't count on it

mortal grail
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Retail is infinite

hazy sonnet
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what about my actual data on the drives

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not windows

mortal grail
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If you have games, you can recover most of them

remote geode
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but it's recommended to do a clean install

mortal grail
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Some won't tho

remote geode
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since your old PCs drivers are still there and may affect your experience

mortal grail
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Need reinstall on some

storm narwhal
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The data would be fine but jsut back the files up somewhere

mortal grail
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Ye

storm narwhal
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as well as what they said

mortal grail
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As well as what he said

remote geode
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and there are rare occasions where driver conflict may occur and it's going to be a can of worms on where you need to start since I assume you've used your PC for quite a while and you don't keep track of the drivers that your PC has

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(I don't)

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so meh, save yourself the trouble

storm narwhal
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So yeah just don't count on plugging and praying the drive

hazy sonnet
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alr

storm narwhal
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See what I did there?

hazy sonnet
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its just I dont want to have to reinstall all the apps and stuff I have

remote geode
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put the apps on a drive then

storm narwhal
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You could either download the installers for all the apps

remote geode
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put the installers too

storm narwhal
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Or have the apps all migrated to a drive

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Or keep a list, and use winget to install what you can first

mortal grail
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Oh god the new Nova is GORGEOUS

hazy sonnet
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the issue now tho is I cant really check whats on what drive bc my pc wont boot

storm narwhal
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Oh that's not good

mortal grail
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AAAAHHH

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I LOVE MY GENE, I DON'T NEED A NOVA

gilded kraken
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if only I was brave enough to actually liquid cool...my wallet thanks me Im not though

mortal grail
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God the north vibes of this case are gorgeous

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APNX is so clean with their stuff

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Wtf desk with hwinfo

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T FORCCEEEE

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Those sticks are gorgeous

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They don't deserve RGB

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Spoil the look

gilded kraken
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really well diffused rgb can look good though

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like a frosty style diffuser

mortal grail
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That's a money shot

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The glass cover is a full blown monitor LOL

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That's an aida screen

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Sensor panel ah moment

gilded kraken
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I just watched Kitguru's vid on the 011d evo XL, goooooooood thing I bought the black version as it has dark tempered glass XD

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because if you put too small a mobo in it, it looks super goofy

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also apparently the airflow in testing was good with horizontal or vert mounted gpu and floor or side mounted fans with a exhaust aio on top and exhaust back fans

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like litterally a degree difference

pseudo patrol
gilded kraken
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you could get it tomorrow

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lucky you

mortal grail
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Best scores, best temps

gilded kraken
pseudo patrol
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is the best air flow from bottom to top

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rear heat exit, top heat exit, cooling entrance bottom, cooling entrance side

mortal grail
pseudo patrol
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alright, ill try to do revamp the design when I get my new fans

mortal grail
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GPU gets priority flow, CPU can get best temps from side intake but minimal to top mount

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Top always exhaust

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ALWAYS

pseudo patrol
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ye

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heat rises

mortal grail
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Not that

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You can get better convection from top exhaust

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Heat rising means nothing in a case context with active air

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Chimney flow is best with top exhaust

pseudo patrol
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It reminds me of a concept of a smoking tea cup

#

cant pull air to the side completely

mortal grail
#

If you use a waterloop you do upright gpu

pseudo patrol
#

or bottom

mortal grail
#

And top bottom rad

pseudo patrol
#

naahh waterloop too much maintenance

mortal grail
#

It's completely unhindered chimney flow

#

I know, just saying

#

Those are the best layouts

remote geode
#

hey chat, impulse buy here

#

is it worth it for $100?

mortal grail
pseudo patrol
#

chimney is the best tho

remote geode
#

I would like to upgrade my existing SATA SSD, which is a Samsung 870 Pro

mortal grail
#

You can get better gen 4 NVMe for less

remote geode
#

my NVME slots are full :/

mortal grail
#

It's not even remotely worth lol

#

870 pro is fine, 2tb?

remote geode
#

nah, 250gb

mortal grail
#

Bleh

remote geode
#

I bought it back in 2019

mortal grail
#

A55 2TB nice if you don't mind potential phison issues

remote geode
#

for my AM3 machine

mortal grail
#

Otherwise mx500

#

No Sata SSD is worth 50/tb

remote geode
#

are those SATA?

mortal grail
#

Yes

remote geode
#

okiedokies, I'll scour the second hand market

mortal grail
#

Pretty much any late model Sata III with dram is good

remote geode
#

I'm at a pawn shop right now because I'm helping my mother pick out a thin and light convertible laptop

mortal grail
#

Then offer them $65

#

๐Ÿ’€

remote geode
#

some HP x360 with an i7

mortal grail
#

That 2TB would be worth like, 80 new? Max?

remote geode
#

should be good for her office work and occasional video editing

remote geode
mortal grail
#

ah

#

80 used max

remote geode
#

yeah, my same thinking

remote geode
#

The laptop had a watchdog timeout while being benchmarked

plain stone
#

I'm having trouble which card i should get or where I should buy it from folks

#

I'm abruptly selling my 1050ti but I haven't ordered any upgraded card yet. My budget is $250 new/used

#

I'll pair it with a 5600x in the future

#

thinking of a used 5600/5700/xt

#

5700xt is selling for $220

#

5600xt for $140

cedar compass
#

Got few dual 4060 , 4070 ti super infinity 3 OC , 4060ti 16gb jetstream

wicked oriole
#

would it be worth to go from a 240hz monitor to a 360hz monitor?

mortal grail
#

Nope

wicked oriole
#

fair, i feel like 240 would be more worth but i dont think id even hit that

wicked oriole
#

i dont even think id hit 360, maybe 270ish and would mainly be for cod

mortal grail
#

The response times between frames become so small it's basically negligible

remote geode
#

160hz is my maximum preference

wicked oriole
#

fair, appreciate that. maybe id do 480 but i still dont think feasible

#

plus way out of budget

mortal grail
#

240Hz OLED >>>> Anything else

cedar compass
remote geode
#

anything above is just doesn't give me a good enough competitive advantage

wicked oriole
#

samsung has a p good deal on the 360hz and i do like my 240hz oled its ktc so mad mid tbh i dont think hdr is working half the time on it

remote geode
#

OLED is a gold standard for responsiveness

mortal grail
#

LOL

remote geode
#

unless you go CRT hehe

mortal grail
#

You max out UBR40, unmatched response times, best colour and quality, best IO

#

The KTC is amongst the best

wicked oriole
#

its bright and thats like as much as i like about it. doesnt feel like g sync/hdr is working. now that i have another one monitor to test against ill see

cedar compass
#

For productivity, miniled is still better

mortal grail
wicked oriole
#

ktc speakers are loud af tho ill give em that

cedar compass
#

For gaming and movies Oled is amazing

mortal grail
#

It depends on the type of productivity

#

Like colour work I'd pick the oled easily

#

No competition

cedar compass
#

I tried Oled recently and no its colors aren't accurate, they dimming light when you open big white panel and making further color shade

mortal grail
#

That doesn't sound correct

wicked oriole
#

i think that depends more on woled vs qoled

mortal grail
#

You have some sort of setting preventing the right brightness

#

Like eyecare

wicked oriole
#

one does give black a more purplish tint

#

plus hdr locks a lot of settings

cedar compass
mortal grail
#

WOLED is the best for photo/video

#

Hands down

#

Colour & contrast there's no equal

cedar compass
#

There's thing called ABL or something that dimming light but can't turn it off

mortal grail
#

Yeah, that's not the tech's fault

#

That'll be the firmware or some feature you bought with it

#

Oled is quite literally real colour

wicked oriole
#

plus ktc has no US support lmao

mortal grail
#

The LG 240Hz is the most accurate panel I've seen for colour

wicked oriole
#

emailed the UK support team they told me to contact amazon like bruh

mortal grail
#

That every monitor locks HDR down just about

wicked oriole
mortal grail
#

You won't get a different result changing monitors

cedar compass
#

I still gonna hang out with my G9 perfection one of best monitors around

storm narwhal
#

The W stands for White

wicked oriole
#

i guess i was more interested in a higher refresh rate as the moving image test looked pretty clear on 360 and since i play COD i do feel like that would be nice, but didnt know if worth gain

storm narwhal
#

It literally has pure white pixels to boost whites, it's gotta be a monitor setting

#

Check rtings review of it if it exists

cedar compass
mortal grail
#

Any other panel will be worse

wicked oriole
#

samsung g60sd

mortal grail
#

240Hz OLED is akin to ~560Hz IPS

mortal grail
wicked oriole
#

DANG

mortal grail
#

The response rate is that fast

cedar compass
#

Ultrawide 4k oled wen cc_black

mortal grail
#

You think, OLED has a 0.03ms response time right

wicked oriole
mortal grail
#

You imagine IPS, VA, TN all boast 2-3ms

#

The input latency on OLED is tremendously low

#

And at high FPS it's just exacerbated

#

Go watch optimum tech on youtube if you want comparisons about this stuff

#

Like seriously 240hz oled is way up there at the top for best gaming panel in every way

wicked oriole
# mortal grail Kinda mid panel tbh

also why mid? only thing i see a lot of "issues" with is fan whine but that wouldn't bother me as long as it doesnt sound like a ps4 pro since id have my headset on with it

mortal grail
#

The only catch is avoiding going over 300 nit peak brightness

wicked oriole
#

i think it says the ktc has like 1000 nit brightness and omg white is WHITE like id much rather go outside and look at snow lol

mortal grail
mortal grail
#

The catch about OLED is it's still prone to burn in

wicked oriole
mortal grail
#

The monitor tech of now is good up to about 300 nits

#

You can do like, small bits of 1000 nit stuff here and there

#

Don't daily it tho

#

Especially in games

wicked oriole
mortal grail
#

You'll burn in your ui

wicked oriole
#

i def turned it down in windows

mortal grail
#

OLED needs refresh cycles and different images periodically to remove TFT burn

mortal grail
#

1440p 240hz is about the limit for DP 1.4a /HDMI 2.1

#

Beyond that you use DSC

#

So not native

wicked oriole
#

i have a hisense u8g "uled" (just mini led im sure cause oled was new in 2021 everyone was scared of burn in cause warranty didnt cover it so i went with that) and i can see where my long nights of having it on burned from my ps5, so gonna take care of the monitor for sure

mortal grail
#

ULED is QLED iirc yeah

#

Early QLED can burn in too yeah

wicked oriole
mortal grail
#

A 1440p oled is real endgame stuff

#

There's really no need to go higher unless you have ridiculously good eyes for a 4K monitor or you can fit a 4K tv on the desk

wicked oriole
#

think a 1660 could handle it lmaoooooo

mortal grail
#

Beyond what LG put out is all diminishing returns

wicked oriole
mortal grail
#

I'd have no idea about that Asus one

#

As long as the brightness is low enough it'll not be permanent burn

wicked oriole
#

its like the equivalent of GM's DOD, causes a 100% lifter failure then you're stuck putting a cam in your truck. stupidest thing ever turning off half the engine to save on gas.

#

dont get me wrong i love cams, but having to do it to fix an issue instead of to increase performance is just not as fun.

storm narwhal
#

Current gen oleds are a lot better in terms of longevity and burn in

#

But maybe do try not to leave it on overnight

deep parcel
#

but imo worth it for like 27 more

plain stone
deep parcel
#

for the 6700xt

plain stone
#

i mean I don't seem to have any other good options so far where I live

#

it's sold out, the link you sent

#

could totally stretch out $30 more but if it's from Newegg it's going to have at least $50 shipping

deep parcel
#

this has free shipping

plain stone
#

weird, it's sold out for me

#

I'll check on my pc when I get home

#

location could defo be a factor here

deep parcel
#

Yeah possibility

plain stone
#

if it's free shipping worldwide then I'll cop it

deep parcel
#

where ya from?

plain stone
#

Philippines

deep parcel
#

Ah... yeah idk then

plain stone
#

aliexpress also has big shipping fees here for some reason

#

so i can only realistically get a card locally

deep parcel
#

you were talking $ so I thought you were maybe in the US

#

lol

plain stone
#

yeah lol but $ would be understandable for the majority here so

#

anyway I'll look through a bit more locally, might order tomorrow after

#

sapphire 6600xt for $200 hmm

deep parcel
#

6600xt is a pretty good card

plain stone
#

yupp

plain stone
#

I'm using it for amateur video editing and casual gaming basically

dusky quail
#

i just wanna pc to play mh wilds when it comes out

#

dont plan on buying back one in the next 5 years hopefully

#

also did they fix the intel 13 and 14 gen problems without bios update needed ?

#

wei, ren ne

#

wondering if a 4070tis is actually a good idea, or to just settle for a 4070s

surreal kernel
#

hi

dusky quail
#

yurr

#

we need a chat with certified rated prebuilts newegg

dusky quail
dusky quail
#

what is newegg shipping like when ordered on fridays ?

#

it says tuesday but I rem ordering one and it came the weekend

fervent stump
#

Could someone please check build chat?

surreal kernel
#

do psus come with their mounting screws ?

sage sluice
frigid stag
craggy shoal
craggy shoal
frigid stag
#

wtf theres a 400$ oled ๐Ÿ’€

craggy shoal
#

Best Buy

fervent stump
fervent stump
frigid stag
#

its on adorama too apparently

#

amazon prolly as well

fervent stump
craggy shoal
surreal kernel
#

or

surreal kernel
#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

surreal kernel
craggy shoal
#

I'll never understand the space before punctuation

#

"English isn't everybody's native language" this isn't an English thing lol

sage sluice
#

What do you mean ?

sage sluice
fervent stump
#

MOTOR

#

Is this good

#

Or should I not trust it doing both jobs

sage sluice
#

But hey, maybe the mac pro wheels arent your speed (theyre too fast for you), perhaps you prefer the IStand https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MWUG2LL/A/pro-stand

Apple

Every aspect of Pro Stand was designed with pros in mind. Height, tilt, rotation โ€” itโ€™s completely adjustable, allowing your Pro Display XDR to fit seamlessly into any work environment.

#

After all, its designed with pros in mind

fervent stump
craggy shoal
fervent stump
#

Ty

craggy shoal
surreal kernel
#

No wth ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

fervent stump
#

This is power and Argb?

sage sluice
#

They even do it with periods like this .

fervent stump
craggy shoal
# sage sluice They even do it with periods like this .

Apparently there are whole articles about it bruh. Some people do it as a short pause. Like you're telling me the space before the question mark is making me wait to know whether you're asking me a question ? I don't see it and it looks annoying

#

(example btw)

fervent stump
#

Why though ?

sage sluice
#

unless youre spanish

#

but thats like

#

they have it at the back too fr

surreal kernel
#

and I've gotten used to it

#

it still works if you add the ? right after but

upper hawk
#

Seems a bit too good to believe but it is true

cedar compass
#

I ordered one of those yesterday and it arriving today

pliant berry
#

One of my friends also ordered one

chrome mirage
#

Apparently Tesla didn't use corrosion resistant stainless steel for the cyber truck and now they are rusting.

sage sluice
#

low chromium content moment

craggy shoal
sage sluice
#

Oh how i wish i wasnt broke

#

๐Ÿ™

craggy shoal
#

same

mental yoke
#

hi iโ€™ve been looking at laptops to buy as my current on canโ€™t hold a charge to well and canโ€™t support the apps i run (lack of ram) and itโ€™s black friday.
iโ€™m currently in HS so nothing crazy expensive (budget of around $1500-$2000 if i can stay under $1500 thatโ€™s amazing)
iโ€™m planning to major in engineering (either mechanical or electrical) and i'm looking at these:
m2 macbook air (or whatever is the best chip i can get for budget)
dell xps (either 13, 14 or 16)
lenovo thinkpad (maybe x1?)
iโ€™d like:
at least 16gb ram with 32 preferred
good battery life
not to thick and heavy as ill be carrying it around
storage idc to much as if i can iโ€™ll just throw a 2tb nvme drive into it
i need at least 1 display out as i plan to get a moniter and kb/mouse and dock it
I game sometimes but its not a top priority but they aren't the most demanding games
i currently use a macbook pro as its a hand me down but i use windows for desktop (i might end up bringing my desktop to college if i really need to use powerful software

craggy shoal
#

man wtf

#

does your high school have a Starbucks in it too?

mental yoke
#

nah

#

i just work and have saved

#

my high school donโ€™t got enough money for soap and paper towels

fervent stump
reef grove
#

I need it

craggy shoal
fervent stump
craggy shoal
fervent stump
#

Me too

reef grove
craggy shoal
#

Power distribution system fr

reef grove
#

Or just amass all your electronics into one corner of a room

fervent stump
icy ore
young matrix
#

Xps has been falling off in quality for the last few years

#

Thinkpad is good

#

Mac is a mac

#

Framework 16 is also good

craggy shoal
#

I want a Framework so bad

velvet summit
#

Actual fire hazard if it's real

fervent stump
craggy shoal
#

The breaker it's connected to would likely overload and trip before it causes a fire lol

craggy shoal
#

I want to vomit after seeing that ๐Ÿ’€

wary fjord
craggy shoal
#

Bruh the one on the right ๐Ÿ’€

surreal kernel
#

can someone tell me what the hell this is please

#

are they the fans ? ๐Ÿ˜ญ

craggy shoal
#

bruh what are you even doing

surreal kernel
craggy shoal
surreal kernel
#

again

#

are they the fans?

#

here

craggy shoal
#

idk man I don't see a single fan in that photo

surreal kernel
#

the connectors I mean

#

for them

craggy shoal
#

๐Ÿ˜

surreal kernel
craggy shoal
#

you know how there are two ends of a cable?

surreal kernel
craggy shoal
#

and then one end typically has one connection and the other end is either the opposite end's connection or the product itself, such as a fan, RGB connector, etc?

surreal kernel
#

in one end the psu cable was connected and on the other one well it was empty

craggy shoal
#

Maybe try looking at the opposite end

surreal kernel
#

what ab the tiny connectors tho

craggy shoal
#

Do they look like they connect to fans?

velvet summit
#

You either connect molex or the fan header

#

It is for mobos without fan headers

#

Do not connect both fan header and molex at the same time

wary fjord
mental yoke
tranquil pebble
#

got ripped off on a monitor again. This 1440p LG monitor is abysmal

#

Good thing I can return the thing

surreal kernel
mental yoke
#

why is the framework so expensive

tranquil pebble
mental yoke
#

even for the specs i feel like i could do better

tranquil pebble
#

and the colors look like trash

mental yoke
#

the io is nice tho

velvet summit
#

Small ish company

mental yoke
#

yea true

tranquil pebble
#

Also Framework is special. Very special. Theres nothing else like it on the market.

surreal kernel
#

and then I just connect the psu cable to one end

surreal kernel
icy ore
mental yoke
#

anyone here have one if so:
howโ€™s battery life
how performance (iโ€™m planning to get 2x16gb and ryzen 9)
how heavy and thick is it
and does it get hot/loud easily

craggy shoal
#

mf just ig'd me

velvet summit
#

Framework can't really compete on the value due to it being too small and the amount of r&do required to make easily user replaceable modular components that could potentially be upgradable is not cheap

#

If they plan to survive for more than just a few years, they have to make more money to continue support

rancid juniper
icy ore
#

just read something like that

#

man

#

thats dumb

rancid juniper
#

LMFAO

icy ore
#

literally

#

we bought our accord for like $1500 lol

dusk knot
dusk knot
surreal kernel
#

I had 4 fans

#

4 connectors

#

that's why I guessed fans

craggy shoal
#

Did they by chance come with the fans?

granite estuary
#

Is this monitor any good?

velvet summit
#

Our national postal service has been on strike for a full week now

#

No letters have been delivered

#

No parcels using them are also being delivered

#

Amazing

mental yoke
velvet summit
#

Maybe it'll be supported for another generation but yeah

sage sluice
#

Remember hearing about that

#

Im guessing its probably got something to do with wages

velvet summit
#

As it currently stands, framework is unlikely to go bankrupt from what I see, but in terms of hardware support, it's unknown how many more generations it will get for the current chassis

velvet summit
mental yoke
#

so iโ€™ll probs just get a normal laptop then

#

the io thing is nice tho

velvet summit
#

Especially the framework 16

velvet summit
#

Since the GPU is seperate from the mobo

#

If you get a dgpu for it

#

So if just one part dies, you don't have to replace both the cpu and GPU since they're both soldered onto the MOBO on pretty much all laptops

#

But again, most people don't randomly accidentally kill their mobo or gpu

sinful blade
rancid juniper
#

โœ…

misty sparrow
# rancid juniper

Wouldnโ€™t be surprised if itโ€™s required to be plugged into a surge protector thatโ€™s plugged into another surge protector

surreal kernel
#

didn't build it from scratch

mental yoke
icy ore
velvet summit
#

that's an egpu

mental yoke
#

the one that clicks into the back?

velvet summit
#

if you remember laptops with removable batteries, the gpu on the framework 16 is like that

#

actually, it's not a gpu only slot

mental yoke
#

oh yea i remember those

velvet summit
#

iirc there were plans on it being able to plug in an extra battery as well

mental yoke
#

thatโ€™s lowkey nice cuz i can just replace when it gets old

#

easily replace it compared to when i do stuff like that on my mac

velvet summit
#

well, macbooks are the opposite lmao

#

nearly impossible to source replacement parts

misty sparrow
#

Only way to get genuine parts is straight from Apple

#

Canโ€™t use third party parts

#

And if you do, they intentionally lock features out

sinful blade
gleaming rivet
#

bleh, $1200 to get the tree in our front yard topped

dusk knot
#

Nvidia

velvet summit
waxen saddle
#

how to properly reset pc

proud jackal
rancid juniper
chrome mirage
#

Guess I'm not taking the sports car today

sinful blade
surreal kernel
velvet summit
#

like, wipe the data?

waxen saddle
velvet summit
#

so wiping the data off?

#

there's 2 method of doing that
reinstalling windows, and just clicking the reset your pc button in settings

#

if you want to get rid of all data securely, you have to get a linux usb and overwrite the whole drive with 1 and 0's several times

#

and then reinstall windows

rancid juniper
#

weather lookin beautiful today, all sunshine no clouds and a bit chilly

#

the perfect combination

velvet summit
rancid juniper
rigid sinew
velvet summit
#

lmao

#

genuinely wondering why that rat wanted that can

opaque sedge
chrome mirage
velvet summit
gleaming rivet
#

mama nahtuhlay gonna give motor a spankin for being a bad boy lol

opaque sedge
#

Ig iโ€™ll read a bookโ€ฆ

gleaming rivet
#

you can read?

#

โค๏ธ

craggy shoal
chrome mirage
opaque sedge
craggy shoal
#

I might be in trouble uh oh

#

It's been nice knowing y'all ๐Ÿ’€

opaque sedge
chrome mirage
chrome mirage
craggy shoal
#

I still don't see a message but Iโ€™m worried it's a fat message that's basically a huge warning ๐Ÿ’€

velvet summit
#

nothing in message requests?

craggy shoal
#

Nah

chrome mirage
rigid sinew
opaque sedge
#

Everyoneโ€™s preparing for the worst

#

๐Ÿ’€

velvet summit
#

he's already gone, dead, executed

#

rest in peace

opaque sedge
# rigid sinew MYB

This means โ€œmind your businessโ€ not โ€œmy badโ€ right ๐Ÿ’€

rigid sinew
#

it means MIND YOUR BUSINESS

chrome mirage
gleaming rivet
#

rip

#

everyone is gonna get grounded

proud jackal
opaque sedge
gleaming rivet
#

theo will get grounded too

#

or he'll get an ice cream. he is the fave after all

opaque sedge
#

PLS Iโ€™LL TRY AND GET EVERYONE TO STOP TEASING YOU ABT THAT 285k

gleaming rivet
#

285k?

#

I must know

opaque sedge
#

Intel Core ultra 9 285k

chrome mirage
#

Getting flashbacks to when Floppa got banned

opaque sedge
gleaming rivet
#

and you just made me realize I'm starving

chrome mirage
gleaming rivet
#

ugh now I have to go wake up the wife to see if she wants to go have breakfast

#

luckily I offer breakfast when waking her up

proud jackal
#

I'm already in trouble with the admins I can't do anything

proud jackal
chrome mirage
opaque sedge
#

Congrats

#

Rog crosshair too ๐Ÿ˜ญ

chrome mirage
opaque sedge
velvet summit
surreal kernel
#

they insulted my low level of intelligence

craggy shoal
#

Darn my coffee is cold ๐Ÿซ 

craggy shoal
surreal kernel
craggy shoal
#

bett

surreal kernel
#

๐Ÿ˜‡

dusk knot
#

Until the 385k comes out

#

๐Ÿ˜

proud jackal